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Media Fanning War Fever With Iran

The images on TV and in newspapers of Iranian “missiles” soaring into the sky are being used to whip up public support for military action against Iran. My friend, W. Patrick Lang, writing on his blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis 2008, notes that the images of Iranian “missiles” the media are circulating like pictures of a naked woman in a middle school locker room do not show what they claim to show.

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In the image on the left you can see a white vehicle in the foreground. It has three axles and is carrying what appears to be a missile. The press and media have been using this image to decry the Iranians launching a Shahab 3 missile.

What is a Shahab and why should we care?

According to the Federation of American Scientists:

The Iranian Shahab-3 is a single-stage, liquid-fueled, road-mobile, medium-range ballistic missile with a range of approximately 800 miles (1,280 km). A MRBM variant, sometimes called Shahab-4, has a range of more than 1,200 miles (1,930 km).

Shahab-3 is capable of carrying a 1,000-760 kilogram warhead. Fewer than 20 launchers were deployed as of March 2006, according to Air Force Intelligence. The variant was not deployed at the time.

That is a big rocket and, if used in an offensive operation, could do some damage. Here’s the problem. The image above is not a Shahad missile. Here’s a photo of a Shahab launcher:
shahab-3-launcher.jpg

You need a minimum of six axles for this bad boy. It is over 45 feet in length. The “missiles” launched above are a third that size.

So here is the first point–why is the media using misleading images and information to whip up public fears?

The current story line about Iran launching these missiles as preparation for an attack on Israel is utter nonsense. It was Israel, not Iran, that ran the first military exercise explicitly identified as preparation for an attack on Iran. The Christian Science Monitor reported:

A Pentagon official, speaking anonymously due to the sensitivity of the issue, told the Times that the high profile of the exercise was not an accident. Rather, it was one of Israel’s two intended goals for undergoing the rehearsal.

One Israeli goal, the Pentagon official said, was to practice flight tactics, aerial refueling and all other details of a possible strike against Iran’s nuclear installations and its long-range conventional missiles.

A second, the official said, was to send a clear message to the United States and other countries that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from producing bomb-grade uranium continued to falter.

“They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know,” the Pentagon official said. “There’s a lot of signaling going on at different levels.”

Well what a surprise. Iran has signaled back that it is not going to be intimidated. Iran’s warning to the United States and Israel is quite clear–if you attack us expect retaliation.

What I find equally fascinating is the persistent delusion among many U.S. and Israeli analysts who insist that air strikes against Iranian military and industrial sites will somehow make us safe. This is the kind of batshit crazy thinking that sent an undersized U.S. force into Iraq in March 2003. Here’s why the proponents of air strikes are off base.

First, Iran has dispersed its military and production assets. Our very public saber rattling has not been ignored. Iran paid attention to what we said we were going to do in Iraq and what we did. They are not going to make the Saddam Hussein’s mistake. They believe we will attack them and are preparing for that eventuality. Dispersing targets that we would like to destroy makes it more difficult to achieve the mission and imposes greater risks on our forces and aircraft.

Second, air power has limited utility, especially in mountainous terrain. Has anyone looked at a goddamned map of Iran. It is not a flat plain like much of Iraq. Significant mountains and valleys. So the chance of a successful strike goes down, not up. Moreover, the U.S. Air Force was unable to achieve basic missions of destroying ground missiles during military campaigns in both the former Yugoslavia and Iraq. Remember their failure to destroy a single-SCUD missile during the first Gulf War? Remember all of the bombs we dropped on Iraq during March of 2003 that failed to achieve the strategic defeat of Iraq (we needed boots on the ground to get that done)?

Third, they are ignoring the provocative actions by both the United States and Israel that have ratcheted up tensions with Iran. I harbor no illusions about Iran. I have been on the record for a long time noting that they have been the number one sponsor of terrorism against the United States for many years. But that does not mean that our best way to handle this threat is to launch a new military adventure. Pat Lang and I warned about the risks and difficulties confronting the United States if we attack Iran in an article we published in the National Interest two years ago. The article, Contemplating the Ifs, is still relevant and worth your time.

We are entering dangerous territory and the last thing our nation needs is the media acting like third grade spectators to an impending brawl who are trying to incite a fight because they enjoy the spectacle.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Yes, the rhetoric is skyhigh. Scary.

  • http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

    Why does the media think they know better than the voters and policy-makers?

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    The media gave us Obama.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Oh Gawd, Bush is a big enough asshole to actually pull this kind of shit before he leaves office. Damn. Can you imagine Barky in charge of clean up? Oy. This makes me ill.

  • Mark

    No matter what the papers are trying or not trying to do, the facts remain the same.
    Iran’s leaders are dangerous folks who I believe given the chance will try and destroy Israel.
    I look for bad things to occur in the middle east in the next 6 months to a year.
    If you think gas at $4.00 is high just wait.

  • anonymous

    Why does the media think

    The media doesn’t think. They do what they are told by their corporate masters. The proper question is why are the corporations sending us all to collective global suicide? They are too greedy to see the end result of their actions as proven by the last war they brought about via their puppet Bush. So now they want to bring us another war never thinking of the real consequences as Larry Johnson has in his article. All they can see is defense contracts. And the DNC wants to force upon us a man in diapers as president? America is about to go down the drain.

  • BoboBolinsky

    Well if there is one person I trust to make the decision whether or not to bomb Iran, it is Barack Obama. Hillary and McCain are total loose cannons.

  • catherine

    Our country will be in such shambles by the time the next president arrives, I am afraid the new president would be able to do whatever they wanted, People would be desperate. Can we imagine Obama with the free rein to do whatever he wants? Scary. Very scary indeed. It amazes me that some intelligent people actually think this newcomer candidate can address the problems America is facing today. Unbelievable.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Who can trust the media to tell the truth anymore? Not me…. Thanks Larry.

  • http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/ timepassages
  • BluDawg

    Shahab-3, 3A / Zelzal-3

    The Iranian Shahab-3 ballistic missile means Meteor-3 or Shooting Star-3 in Farsi [alternatively designated Zelzal (Earthquake)] is derived from the 1,350-1,600 kilometer range North Korean No-dong missile. The Shahab-3 reportedly has a range of between 1,350 and 1,600 kilometers and is capable of carrying a 1,000-760 kilogram warhead.

    On 15 December 1997 satellite reconnaissance of the Shahid Hemat Industrial Group research facility, just south of Tehran, Iran detected the heat signature of an engine static test firing for this new missile. The test was either the sixth or eighth conducted in 1997, depending on conflicting interpretations of available intelligence. It is believed that Iran may have purchased up to 10 of these No-Dong missiles from North Korea.

    In passing it is interesting to note that Pakistan flew its direct copy No-dong missile (Ghauri-II) on April 6, 1998 some three months before Iran’s Shahab-3. The question is why and what does this imply? It would seem to imply that Iran reworked the North Korean No-dong design while Pakistan bought the whole package missile and its (TEL) Transport Erector Launcher and its simpler mobile support equipment. Iran apparently not only reworked the No-dong design but also developed its own Mercedes Benz based (TEL) and its extensive separate mobile support equipment but has also probably done the same reworking the two Taep’o-dong launch vehicle designs.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/shahab-3.htm

    We live in a very dangerous neighborhood. Can we really afford to elect a rookie who wants to invite the leaders of countries whose stated goal is our death and destruction, to have a talk?

    Hillary understood this better than any other Democrat, She was there many times when the phone rang at 3 a.m.!

  • MrMike

    You pegged my snark-o-meter.

  • catherine

    Oh My God. You can’t be serious.

  • hmmm

    Mccain wants wars, and the spineless democratic congress will give in.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Larry, Fox News had a segment on this morning showing that the missile launch photos had been doctored by the Iranians because one of the missiles had actually failed; the gist of the story was that the launch wasn’t as intimidating as the Iranians were trying to portray it to be. This is the second segment I’ve seen in which the significance of this launch was downplay. I can’t remember, but I think the other news segment indicated that the missiles launched were not the more dangerous long-range missiles (? Shahab-4), but were less-dangerous medium range missiles.

    http://news.scotsman.com/world/Iranian–missile–.4278626.jp

  • http://www.mybluecube.blogspot.com Blue

    Another “Mushroom Cloud” moment.

  • Seattle Moss

    We may not have to go to war with Iran now.
    Because we didn’t retreat and defeat out of Iraq like Obama wished we now have victory and the rise of a Democratic Iraq which is uniquely allied with the United States.
    The reason for Iran’s tepid aggression is because they realize that they have lost the opportunity to control Iraq and create hegemony over the region.
    McCain is a Hero who remained steadfast against all that wished for retreat and defeat that would have led to catastrophe and collapse for American and western interests in the world. I’m so glad that McCain prevented the US from being humiliated for all time.

  • DoroB

    Why would you trust Obama? He just backtracked on Iraq and FISA, and he never said he wouldn’t bomb Iran.
    “If there is one person I trust to make the decision”? You’re kidding. Obama has been throwing you guys under the bus.

  • Karma

    I guess redrawing the Middle East map is on.

    Map with new borders…

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/images/harita_b.jpeg

    From this article….

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061116&articleId=3882

    Quote from the heading of the article….

    “Hegemony is as old as Mankind…” -Zbigniew Brzezinski, former U.S. National Security Advisor

  • SensibleWomanNOTforBO

    Oops, this bot’s batteries are leaking acid internally and causing it to go bonkers.

  • PadrePIo

    Can you imagine McCain in charge of the clean up?

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Amen.

  • BoboBolinsky

    Barack Obama studied International Relations in college at Columbia University and so has alot of insight on how to deal with the world internationally. What did John McCain do ? Graduate at the bottom of his class. And Hillary ? She sees imaginary missiles being launched. Now that is scary!

  • HARP

    Do you think Backtrack knows the difference between Iran and Iraq is an N and Q…,NO QUARTER.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    I read that Bush might consider attacking Iran if he thinks Obama will be elected.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/22/kristol-bush-iran/

  • Seattle Moss

    I think the person that looks spineless is Obama and his supporters who would prefer defeat for the United States
    Shame on you Anti-Americans!!!!

    McCain has won the Iraq war for America!

    Thank you John!

  • BluDawg

    Remember GHW Bush rushed into Panama, and then Somalia just before he left office.

    I have always felt GHWB was trying to stack the deck against WJC.

    I expect an involvement in Iran.

    It follows the Bush pattern.

    The odds that we will see $10 a gallon gas is high, that is what the speculators are betting on too!

  • hmmm

    I want out of Iraq and so does the Iraqui people.

  • BluDawg

    Correct, Hillary was the ideal solution!

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Have you read his book? I heard audio snippets of it the other day in which he talks about getting wasted on drugs while he was a college student.

  • OxyCon

    I think it would be fantastic if the moderates in Iran would somehow be able to rise up and take over Iran. But I do not see it ever happening.

    The way I see it, either Iraq has to grow stronger in a hurry to counter Iran; Iran has to be substantially weakened; or we have to stay in Iraq for the foreseeable future. All this is of course due to Bush invading Iraq, since Iran has been strengthened and emboldened by that action.

    I wish we could do to Iran what we did to Iraq. I know that sounds crazy to most liberals, but Iran is the one country most responsible for funding and training anti-west and anti-Israeli terrorist organizations and I believe firmly that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons.

    I understand that Iran is 50% moderate, pro-western people, but the other 50% want to see us all dead, and actively strive for this end.

    Persia has been the world’s patsies since the dawn of man. If it’s going to be us or them, I say we continue the trend.

  • Militarytracy

    Thank you for this Larry. I’m really not interested in letting the media drag our asses into another FUBAR situation again either. My husband is at a school at Fort Benning on vehicle and weapon identification where the teachers from different branches teach each other. He is due back tonight, can’t wait for him to see what the press is putting out there and his take on the inaccuracy too. It should be interesting.

  • Lucinda

    We are entering dangerous territory and the last thing our nation needs is the media acting like third grade spectators to an impending brawl who are trying to incite a fight because they enjoy the spectacle.

    Not to mention the “face time” it gives them.

  • DoroB

    Uh yeah…I have a roommate who studied IR. Maybe my roommate, who probably got better grades than Obama and never did drugs, should run for secretary of state.

  • Lucinda

    Of course, he’s not going to bomb his friends.

  • Bonita

    Yes, he wants his son to return to Iraq. You’re an idiot.

  • Militarytracy

    Also, from what I have gathered from listening to table talk is that many of the targets in Iran are very hardened now and any sort of airstrike will not be easy anymore as Iran has been proactive about updating its defensive weapons around those targets as well. If we tried to hit them we had better plan on losing some lives and not being as successful as we would like to think we would be.

  • Bonita

    You must be working for free since Obama’s fund raising is down and he said the internet bloggers had to go since they weren’t doing their job effectively.

  • BluDawg

    Obama probably wouldn’t know international relations if they hit him on the head!

    You can’t be serious.

    You are referring to the man that thinks we need arabic translators in Afganistan. And that they speak “pashtoonie”.

    A man who thinks Iran is tiny, and no threat, even though Jimmy Carter was scared of them 25 years ago.

    Ahahahaha!

    ROFLMAO!

  • hank48188

    Too bad Jimmy Carter got elected in 1976, he let the Shah fail from lack of American support. Ziggy Brzezinski was Carter’s National Security Advisor and together they let Iran kick sand in the face of every American. Now Obama has Ziggy Brzezinski as an Advisor and Ziggy brings with him the Big-Money Internationalists like George Soros. These were the same Clowns that brought you Jimmy in 1976 and now they are HOODWINKING America with their promotion of Obama.

  • JoseyJ

    Larry – it appears your second photo has been altered.
    Look at this pic!!

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp

  • HARP

    “I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though.”

  • Bonita

    He also said living in Indonesia in elementary school and makes him far superior on foreign relations than Clinton and McCain.

    I want to be his VP since I crossed the Alabama/Georgia border. I’m sure this helps me with my foreign policy credentials.

  • Bonita

    Good one BluDawg!

  • Bonita

    Obots don’t know ANYTHING about their candidate and that’s the sad part.

  • HARP

    I am fluent in Profanity. Where do I fit in?

  • JoseyJ

    This same media sold us Bush in 2000, the Iraq War – and now Oblahma.
    Follow the money…

  • K. Wynne

    catherine,

    It won’t be obama addressing the many and complex problems, it will be those silent power elite (Soros and Brezinski, et al.) who who will be doing the “decisionmaking”.

    Who do you think is telling BO to flip-flop on those issues he swore he was committed to upholding, such as FISA?

    He’s a Trojan horse and we know what happened to Troy.

  • Andy

    BoboBolinsky:

    You can’t be serious… Since when studying International Relations in college in the eighties gives
    anyone any insight into how to deal with today’s worls and people like Ahmadinejad ?
    You must be either too ignorant or too mediocre to think that….

    I teach those same people….

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    Great comment at the supplied link.

    “They also removed the”TONKA” label on the truck out front. The whole thing was a set of model rockets five inches in length, and a wider shot would have revealed a man standing just out of camera range nearly as tall as the smoke.”

    — jackIn an Iranian Image, a Missile Too Many

  • Andy

    Correction: I should have said

    I teach those same kids.

  • Seattle Moss

    Iran is building a shrine to Armagehden. They don’t understand deterance and need the time to talk so that they can complete their nukes.
    Obama and his minions just don’t get the threat we face from radical Islam.
    martydom and destruction of the west is what they stand for.
    We must remain steadfast at this critical point in time.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    How about official speech writer since Obama wants to speak multiple languages! :)

  • Bonita

    AMEN!

  • vinnie

    yeah, Barack will ask every American to chant hope so that they can hear us all the way over there…I feel better thinking about it already.

  • Ed Reed

    In 1967, the U. S. sold Iran Iran a five-megawatt research reactor, located at the Amirabad Technical
    College in Tehran, which runs on 93 percent highly-enriched uranium.

  • vinnie

    LOL…good one.

  • JoseyJ

    Obama’s campaign projected a $100M June.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/what-happened-t.html

    Oops! they were only off by $70M!

    Shouldn’t you Obamabots be working 2-3 jobs to fund Obama’s campaign??
    Also- the DNC needs money!! Obamabots, get a job!!!

  • rjj

    Easier than Obama, YES, since you asked.

  • vinnie

    OMG, are you that stupid or just naive? How did he use that knowledge to reinforce his studies? What did he do that you know of that makes you believe he has this “insight”?

  • rjj

    Obama WILL do his paymasters’ bidding. Indeed, no loose cannon he, but his paymasters? What about them??

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    It’s the spineless democratic leaders (Pelosi, etal) who gave us spineless Obama. Hillary was a fighter, they were jealous.

  • rwc

    When Carter and the Democrats let the Ayatollah Khomeni back in Iran instead of having him killed was the tipping point for the whole region.

  • rjj

    Africa, sweetie. He is interested in Africa. Have you ever spoken to someone who majored in “international affairs” ???

  • rjj

    The Shah was dying of leukemia. He would have fallen no matter what.

  • Karma

    Good point about stacking the deck.

    And who is going to be able to afford going to work with those kinds of prices?

  • rjj

    I would like to hear more about LJ’s and P. Lang’s misgivings about McCain.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Thanks for your insights Mr.Johnson on this topic.

    I while back I commented at NQ that the MSM yelling “Fight,Fight” would increase as we head toward November. It is so predictable, it makes me want to gag.

    I was reading that Iran has divided their country into autonomous “defensive” sectors to mitigate command and control problems when the strikes begin.

    The bottom line assessment for “armed response” becomes Iran being a nuclear armed nation or not. That is the MSM echo point.

    I was reading about Iran relations with Iraq and the presence of US troops stationed there. The Iranians would respond by targeting those American forces stationed in Iraq, which hampers Iran’s relations with Iraq. Iran needs us out of there and view permanent US basing as a direct threat. No wonder why Maliki is saying any agreement with the US must have us leave ASAP. Relations with your well armed neighbors seems more important than the siding with the fickle US level of sustained commitment.

    When the MSM starts running “stories” about the global reach of Hamas and the threat that they pose, it will be time for the ducktape dance.

    In dealing with a diplomatic front in Iran, the MSM is “echoing” we are accelerating Special Ops and funding opposition “groups” in Iran.

    This is very strange historically,the British and the US have done this before and are dealing with the results of those actions now. Yet there are large segments of Iranian culture that dislike the ruling Mullahs which seems to me, a novice, that the Iranians have their own problems and diplomacy based on mutual interests are a tough but necessary effort. Old unsettled scores are still out there and I am not optimistic, that in the absense of effective diplomacy, we can keep pandoras box closed.

    Thanks again Mr. Johnson.

  • Concerned Independent

    I’ve been to Canada. Can I be Sec. of State? I can even speak French!

  • Concerned Independent

    Source please?

  • Concerned Independent

    I did not like Zbiegniew Brezinski when he was in the Carter Administration, and I like him even less now. He is and always has been interested only in his odd view of the world according to Zbiggy, and caused a great deal of harm to our International Relations (which Obama might have learned in college if he wasn’t so busy getting high). Obama using him as a Foreign Policy advisor will only exacerbate problems in the Middle East, and is yet another reason this puppet must be defeated.

    Thank you Larry for your usual insightful commentary. This is not an issue to be ignored.

  • TeakWoodKite

    spineless democratics congress

  • TeakWoodKite

    “Not smack, though”.

    Then why is he selling it? Frakkin kool-aid.

    Obama studied International Relations in college at Columbia University

    Studying something is devoid of the real world experience, of which BO has NONE, ZIP, NADA, that is required.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Ambassador to Astoria, Queens NY? You would have no language barrier to contend with HARP.

  • Judy

    General Electric owns NBC. GE is also one of the biggest defense contractors around:

    http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/totals.asp?thisContractor=General%20Electric

  • Judy

    I keep thinking about that Clinton ad about who would you want to answer the phone at 3 a.m. Without a doubt, from among the three, I would want Hillary to answer that phone.

  • http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia Spiegel

    This is so scary.
    Here is another article on the fake photo from Scientific American.

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=is-that-iranian-missile

  • Andy

    Larry; the fear of some people (who by the way are democrats) is that should Obama be President he would put us at a serious risk of war with Iran b/c he has something to prove: i.e. that he can be “tough”.
    Also Ahmadinejad is looking for a war; he wants Iran to be attacked b/c he wants to garner all power and rid himself of the power of
    Iran’s Supreme Leader -Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – et al.
    To that effect he needs the full and unconditionnal support of the people in Iran and he can get that if Iran is attacked.

    The big question is : what game is Ahmadinejad playing?

    Barack Obama’s recent flip flops ( Iran is a small country to Iran is a grave threat– to the issue about Jerusalem) do not give me an iota of confidence he would know how to deal with Iran smartly and safely.

  • Hadrian

    Iranians leaders are truly dangerous. Years of multilateral negotiations with the EU and US (the EU should be taking the lead, this is their sphere of influence), IAEA inspections and UN resolutions sanctioning Iran have not had any restraint on Iran’s attempts to develop nuclear weapon capability.

    Also, Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs has shown that these Iranian photos were photoshopped and the Defense Department has also acknowledge that the Iranians released doctored photos. But our spies in the sky know what is really going on.

    If anything, it proves the MSM is clueless and lacks the basic ability to fact check.

  • jwrjr

    Since Obama likes Chicago so much he is probably proficient in Profanity, too.

  • Hadrian

    I took a course in quantum physics. That must make me the world’s number one expert on nuclear issues.

  • jwrjr

    I volunteer to be Ambassidor to either Freedonia or the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.

  • Hadrian

    Carter had zilch understanding of Islam as a political ideology. He welcomed the return of Khomeni from exile in France (now struggling with its own homegrown Islamic problem) back to Iran. Carter said of Khomeni that he is a fellow man of faith with whom I can reason. Carter mistook Islamic supremacist “faith” for piousness.

  • NoBO

    Larry, a lot of your assumptions, attitudes, and your basic premise are a bit off in this case, and I’m a big fan of your efforts. The mistake the media is making is allowing themselves to be a willing purveyor of Iran’s propaganda, even publishing that obviously Photoshoped missile launch photo.

    Israeli officials are meeting with US officials in DC over the next several days. DM Barak is trying to convince Gates, et al, that time is running out. There’s no sense in waiting for Iran to perfect the Shehab-3B which can carry a 2,000 lb. warhead 1250 miles. The US says Iran launched a Shehab-3 the other day but that it traveled 600 miles. Maybe it didn’t have a full load of fuel. Just because there may not have been a Shehab-3 in the photo doesn’t mean they didn’t launch one.

    It’s a given that Iran’s nuclear facilities are spread out and buried but that doesn’t mean that their location is unknown or that they can’t be destroyed. Israel alone can certainly inflict heavy damage and cause a great delay in their program. With the help of the US, Iran’s nuclear efforts can be wiped out.

    As for dealing with missiles, you don’t have to hit them on the ground. Israel is tied into the US IR satellite so they can spot a missile launch in the boost stage and destroy it. The antimissile systems the US and Israel have now are a far cry from the Gulf War Patriot systems that had a fatal clock issue.

    Right now, Iran is vulnerable but they won’t stay that way. What do you want to do, pretend there isn’t a problem and let them perfect their missile delivery systems, develop nuclear weapons, and strengthen their antiaircraft missile defense and radar systems? You want to wait for them to deploy Russian SA-20 antiaircraft missiles? Waiting is not an option and it’s extremely doubtful Iran would respond to negotiations or sanctions.

    Aside from their uranium enrichment efforts, Iran is also creating problems elsewhere in the ME by sending arms to Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza. They also did a lot to hurt us in Iraq but there seems to be some cooperation there now.

    It’d be really nice if we didn’t have to deal with Iran militarily but sometimes there just is no other option. Go ahead and criticize the media because they deserve it. Blame Iran all you want. just don’t blame Israel or the US because they aren’t the problem. Iran is the problem.

  • Winston Smith

    Don’t give him to me…I don’t want him.

  • islander

    Bobo the Clown.

  • Winston Smith

    Where did Obama get the know-how to be a military leader, playing RISK and STRATEGO as a child in Hawaii?

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Absolutely!!!

  • Winston Smith

    It appears the main goal of the rocket launch show was to drive up the cost of oil. It has worked, after a couple of days of back-sliding the cost of oil has no begun to rise again, while the US stock market has fallen. The Iranians do not need Photoshop to effect the quality of life here in America, they just need to waste some hardware into the sea. Expect our fearless leader to respond with another stupid remark while Cheney and his minions continue to make plans for a late summer fireworks show.

  • Rich

    I am not clear. Are we saying that if we stopped telling Iran not to make nuclear bombs that on their own they would stop? That one or two nuclear bombs are less threatening then these missals? That if Israel did not let it be known that they would not be wiped off the map without a fight, then Iran would stop their desire to do so? That building a nuclear plant in the mountains is just as easy as on flat land, so that is where they will be building their ammunition manufacturing plants, power plants and other factories so they would be hard to hit. That our ability to do more precise bombing is the same as it was in 2003?

    I believe in diplomacy. I also believe that if there is no motivation for a power hungry, religious fanatic, hateful bully to stop doing what they are doing, then all the talk in the world will not stop them.

    Rich

  • Dawnelle

    LOLOL

    why does the media THINK indeed!!

    (I’m X media but military so I can see both sides)

    The civilian media is mostly irresponsible. (that’s being nice)

  • Dawnelle

    (chuckle)

    passing around the hot potato are we?

  • Dawnelle

    D I T T O

  • Dawnelle

    Is it too late for W to bring the troops home? Or start?

    I always imagined he’d try something like THAT since McCain and Obambi would leave them there.

    He’d do it for the publicity of it and the legacy of it. He could always just up and say “ok it’s over we win, we got sadammmm, the iraqis have asked us to leave now so we will…….. parade at noon!”

  • NoBO

    Excellent points, Rich. Technology is always improving. It’s irrational to think it isn’t. That doesn’t mean it always works, though. Iran may be having problems right now perfecting its missile fleet and in enriching uranium but that doesn’t mean they won’t soon be successful and even harder to stop.

    Israel may fear waiting to attack if it seems Obama might become president. I doubt there’d be an attack before the election but there may be one after. Israel will have an election in March and we swear in a new president Jan 20. Since Iran is expected to get to the point of no return in nuclear fuel cycle next year, it doesn’t make much sense to risk depending on a new president to act.

    As for Ahmadinejad wanting a conflict, maybe but he could also lose favor with the Iranian public for bringing on the conflict rather than avoiding it. Iranians are having a hard enough time without more crap brought on by an unwise leader.

  • Hope Floats

    Awww. Look at that. Obama took a workshop on foreign policy while in college. McCain and Hillary have been political players for over two decades and sit on the Senate Armed Forces Committee. Obama has chaired the Senate Foreign Relations European Subcommittee with NATO oversight, and he never held a meeting with the Atlantic Alliance about Afghanistan. He skipped three meetings about Afghanistan, a country he’s never been to. This is his first trip to Europe despite his own subcommittee position. But he has time to dance on the Ellen show and bowl in PA and pet a cow in IA.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    That bares repeating again and again and again…

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    So coke is OK but he draws the line at smack…Jesus. What a dirtbag.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Are you serious, this is his very first time to Europe? Even as a tourist? WHY? Just WHY? What the hell? What was his major? International Studies and he’s never been to Europe? Isn’t that like trying to become a surgeon but never practising on dead bodies?

  • Annie Oakley

    He did have time to go to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan with Lugar in ’05 to polish his credentials. In what, I’m not sure. But I don’t think I like it.

  • Mr.Murder

    Charles “POWER BOTTOM”" Johnson of hate speech site Little Green Boogers?

    What, in his background as a fry order at Red Lobster, qualifies him to be involved in this conversation?

  • Mr.Murder

    Market dropped below eleven thousand on this news.

    The money saw what they should see, missiles with enough range to cripple the oil infrastructure of the world.

    Who cares if they can’t reach Israel. Do prayers to Jehovah fill your gas tank?

  • Get A. Grip

    LGF was the first to notice the photos were doctored and also that some of the photos released by the Iranians to demonstrate the missile tests were nothing more than stock photos used before. The fact that the defense officials corroborated Johnson’s work, and the NY Times itself will be running a feature on the doctored Iranian propaganda attests to his credentials. He has also bee recognized by major media outlets for identifying photoshopped and propaganda photos coming out of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth.

  • Mr.Murder

    Iran is a Republic, others call the shots.

    Their figurehead leader is only a weather vane for broader systemic outlooks.

    Are we going to let these republics stand? Certainly the DC crowd has done all in its power to take this one down, one Bill of Rights Amendment at a time….

  • Room 237

    Which is why I think everyone is over reacting to these photos. They were released and photoshopped by the Iranians to show how powerful they are, not to “prepare the battlefield” by the Israelis.

    Unless the Israelis have spies so deep in the Iranian Islamic Guard that is.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    It may have something to do with oil. He’s in the pocket of the big oil guys – I don’t have the link, but someone who posts here provided it today. It was a very thorought expose about just which big corporations/investment brokers (who speculate on oil) are funding Obama.

  • DeadEnder1

    So many Dongs,

    And so little time, if I read you correctly.

    I disagree completely, but it’s still a free country.

  • DeadEnder1

    Didn’t disagree about Hillary.

    Perhaps I misread.

    It happens to one in one’s dotage.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “So here is the first point–why is the media using misleading images and information to whip up public fears?”

    Most have already comment on this so I’ll be brief: Profit Motive & Arrogance.

    This is a hot topic and the public interest is sacrificed to protect the balance sheets of Newscorp, Disney, Viacom and Time-Warner: “If it bleeds, it leads.”
    They are goddamn certain that the public went to school on the short bus and, if not, is dumber than Bullwinkle moose piss. Accordinly, in their arrogance they use any photo they choose. Christ I’m surprised they didn’t use a photo of OUR missiles.

    You adequately covered the problems of knocking out mobile missile launching platforms when dispersed in advantageous terrain. That just makes them harder to knock out.

    What is not considered is that the Israelis have the opportunity to bleed all over the Iranians.

    The Iranians have had for several years 29 Tor M1 systems: The Iranians can track 1392 targets, and engage 58 targets every 10 seconds of detection while ON THE MOVE with a kill probability of 92% on fixed wing aircraft. More simply put, that can splash nearly four and a half carrier attack squadrons in the first forty seconds. Then 10 minutes later they are reloaded and ready to do it again.

    Then there is that pesky barrier CAP to fret about as well as the towed SAMs.

  • sfhillary

    Are you trying to tell me you think Obama is more likely than McCain to get us into a war with Iran? LOL. Larry knows better. No wonder he didn’t comment on the presidential race in this context.

  • WildChild

    BOBO still hasn’t had his I’m a man moment. McCain has. The oval office is that last place we need BOBO to be when he grows that first pube.

  • sfhillary

    McCain would be far more likely to go to war with Iran. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

  • Seattle Moss

    Obama is more likely to get the world involved in a regional war in the middle east due to his cut and run policy.

    Thank you John McCain!!!

    You won the war in Iraq and saved America from humiliation and defeat.

    Sf…

    Why did Obama wish for retreat and defeat in Iraq?

    Why did Obama fail to stand and cheer the troops at the state of the union?

  • sfhillary

    Yes, because she said she would “obliterate” Iran. How reassuring.

  • Seattle Moss

    Better Iran than US.

    If the Iranians supply ANYONE with nukes and they happen to use them against American interests in the world ,then it is our duty as the leader of Western Civilization to punish them for their crime.

  • WildChild

    BOBO hasn’t had his I’m a man moment yet. McCain has. It would be dangerous to let BOBO anywhere near out military.

  • sfhillary

    idiot

  • WildChild

    Only if Iran nuked America, her allies or her interests. But then that’s been American defense policy for over 50 years.

  • Seattle Moss

    Right on Wild!

    If you go to McCain blog you will find pictures of the Hanoi Hilton and the leg Irons that McCain was forced to wear.

    McCain hates war and suffering. What he hates more however ,is a weak country that is taken advantage of and is attacked again and again.

    Peace through strength!!!

  • sfhillary

    He has as much international political experience as Reagan or Clinton had when they became president. Which is to say, not much.

  • Seattle Moss

    Your to delusional for me!

    McCain is the winner of the Iraq war. Without the surge America would have been brought to it’s knees in shame and humiliation.
    The US would have lost it’s position in the world ,the Iraqi’s would be doing genocide and the Iranians would be controlling the region.

    Glad we didn’t listen to polls and Obama

    Thank You John McCain!!!
    You stood firm while everyone wanted out of Iraq.
    That’s what I call a real Leader!!!

  • Karma

    LOL…

    Your comment inspired this thought.

    Eddie Izzard joking about Hitler never played RISK @ .38

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omQ5JjjLsE

  • truthtelling007

    glad I opened the comments here to see someone already mention this obvious doctoring. I was about to write Larry about the identical plumes at the bottom right. So, smoke over Beirut and missles aren’t dramatic enough, we have to have “photojournalists” doctor their photos.

    Well if that isn’t pretty damn ironic considering Larry’s overall heading.

    The human eye can catch repetition without even thinking about it.

  • Alien

    Some of the posts eg Seattle Moss & Oxycon are just plain simple racism. Iran is Iran. It s not USA .

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    The analysis is wrong.

    The media is not publishing these pictures to stoke war fever…

    What they are doing is willingly passing along Iran’s propaganda. These pictures come from Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. Just like they do anytime our enemies want to propagandize.

    The media wants to contribute to the notion that Iran is formidable.

  • Zeke
  • steve

    Exactly, and that is whats so funny, Iran is NOT formidable. Syria has the same air defence, i recall them being bombed recently by Israel, not a figher lost. During no fly missions in Iraq years ago we would blow up anti aircraft installations as soon as they turned on the detection systems. Regan sank their whole navy once in the 80′s. The only problems they could cause is by shooting missiles at our alies in the ME, and they could unleash their terrorist squads. Id rather act now then wait for longer range missles and the nukes to go with them.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    The only true danger from Iran is that of WMD attack (which I believe is their intention)

    The longer we wait, the more they prepare their plans.

    They may not even wait for them to get fission chain reaction to work.

    If they produce enough materials then a boatload of dirty bombs can be probably jsut as devastating.

  • Madison

    Now why would Obama say this? It’s like he want’s U.S.A WHERE WE CAN’T DEFEND OURSELVES. Tke us off the rarda alert? huh? where we can’t see or hear what’s coming our way. Can anyone remember when Ben laddin came on with his video about year ago saying we were going to get hit from the East-West-North -South and in the middle? and he said we will be getting it soon.The question is why did we get close to finding Ben Laddin and just missed him? And who works in seruirty who could not do ocersighjts cause he said he was busy as a new chairman> Huh to busy as playing chairman? So oversights are not hois worries. Who can you name ? Barack Hussienn Obama.

    here is what Obama said to disarm our country.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfwKKxVC7_o

    http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america/

    Obama plans to disarm America
    27

    Feb

    Posted by Macranger as 2008 Election, Barack Obama, Barak Obama, News

    PASS THIS AROUND TELL ALL YOU CAN!

    WATCH AND LISTEN REAL CLOSELY-AND NOW WHY DID HE SAY THAT HE WILL GO INTO IRAN WITHOUT ANY PRECONDITION.

    LISTEN

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    I do not see racism displayed in the context of this thread. Seattle Moss’s only crime, in the context of this thread, is that he may have disgraced his family be being a goddamn Republican. Ditto the other guy.

    Perhaps they carry baggage from other discussions so it would be helpful if you could more fully explain the comment.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “The only true danger from Iran is that of WMD attack (which I believe is their intention)”

    Good.

    We are masters at the nuclear game. We are, in fact, the undefeated world champions of both hot and cold nuclear war.

    The “danger”, and this has been backed by policy ever since the Roosevelt Administration, is impeding the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. The Iranians have got their gold from shipping that oil ever since Churchill converted the British Fleet to oil in the Dreadnought era. Thus we and the Iranians have a very interesting common goal.

    So amid the dust raised by all those launches the price of oil has gone up to $147 a barrel. The ground underneath all the gravel and sand has increased in value 450% since the war started. We taught a whole new generation of Iranians that Middle East saber-rattling is very good for business.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    You must be referring to MAD?

    MAD only works with the sane.

    Iran rejects the notion of community of nations.

    Iran adheres to Islam..which holds that the only legitimate system of law is that given by Allah.

    It is the obligation of all Muislims to strive toward bringing the world under the domination of the law of Allah.

    Man-made law is considered idolitry and a great sin. Living a life that is anythign other than the kind of life proscribed by sharia law is blasphemy.

    The eventual fate of mankind is that of living in peace and unity under the just religion of Islam, and no other religion will be acceptable. Nor will there be nations as Islam rejects the entire concept of nationality. borders. soverignity. human rights.

    Iran is governed by fanatical members of the Twelver sect of Shiia.

    Twelvers reject even the notion that normal people can be in positions of government. The ONLY acceptable political leadership is that under the lawful authority of the Imam.

    The 12th Imam after the establishment of Islam was put into occultation by Allah around the 900-1000s. He is in hiding until a time comes in the world where there will be massive chaos and great destruction.

    In order to redeem mankind from this time of unparrelled devastation Allah will return the rightful Imam from his hiding place and the Imam Mahdi along with what the Muslims think is Jesus will engage in a global struggle which will reestablish the Caliphate, this time with its capital in Jerusalem and all those who refuse to be Muslims around the world will be killed.

    The government of Iran is commited to creatign the condidtions required for Allah to return the Mahdi.

    The Shiite Muslims have passively and quitely waited for Allah to return to them a proper ruler for 1,000 years.. they have been brutally persecuted by the rest of the Muslims throughout this time.

    They are done with waiting. They are now going to do what they think they need to to bring Allah’s law to all of the earth as is the obligation of all Muslims

    The rulers of Iran believe in Allah, his Messenger, and the Last Day. Just as Surah 2:177 states:

    It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets.

    The United States is the direct target of Iran’s nuclear program. It is not Israel. Iran is motivated by their religous beliefs.. beliefs which state that their future Caliphate’s capital is in Israel.. they are not going to nuke Israel.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “MAD only works with the sane”

    You probably wonder why no one has given you a position of responsibility.

    Out

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