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		<title>By: BARB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Centre for Research on Globalisation


According to this 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, the CIA&#039;s intervention in Afghanistan preceded the 1979 Soviet invasion. &lt;strong&gt;This decision of the Carter Administration in 1979 to intervene and destabilize Afghanistan is the root cause of Afghanistan&#039;s destruction as a nation.&lt;/strong&gt;

M.C.

The CIA&#039;s Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter&#039;s National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [&quot;From the Shadows&quot;], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn&#039;t quite that. We didn&#039;t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn&#039;t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don&#039;t regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
&lt;strong&gt;
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
&lt;/strong&gt;
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn&#039;t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

Translated from the French by Bill Blum

The URL of this article is:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Copyright, Le Nouvel Observateur and Bill Blum. For fair use only.</description>
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<p>Centre for Research on Globalisation</p>
<p>According to this 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, the CIA&#8217;s intervention in Afghanistan preceded the 1979 Soviet invasion. <strong>This decision of the Carter Administration in 1979 to intervene and destabilize Afghanistan is the root cause of Afghanistan&#8217;s destruction as a nation.</strong></p>
<p>M.C.</p>
<p>The CIA&#8217;s Intervention in Afghanistan<br />
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,<br />
President Jimmy Carter&#8217;s National Security Adviser</p>
<p>Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998<br />
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001</p>
<p>Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?</p>
<p>Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.</p>
<p>Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?</p>
<p>B: It isn&#8217;t quite that. We didn&#8217;t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.</p>
<p>Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn&#8217;t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don&#8217;t regret anything today?</p>
<p>B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.</p>
<p>Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?<br />
<strong><br />
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?<br />
</strong><br />
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.</p>
<p>B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn&#8217;t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.</p>
<p>Translated from the French by Bill Blum</p>
<p>The URL of this article is:<br />
<a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html</a></p>
<p>Copyright, Le Nouvel Observateur and Bill Blum. For fair use only.</p>
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		<title>By: BARB</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271400</link>
		<dc:creator>BARB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.counterpunch.org/

May 18, 2009
Caught in a Lie
The U.S. is Using White Phosphorous in Afghanistan

By DAVE LINDORFF

When doctors started reporting that some of the victims of the US bombing of several villages in Farah Province last week—an attack that left between 117 and 147 civilians dead, most of them women and children—were turning up with deep, sharp burns on their body that “looked like” they’d been caused by white phosphorus, the US military was quick to deny responsibility.

US officials—who initially denied that the US had even bombed any civilians in Farah despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including massive craters where houses had once stood—insisted that “no white phosphorus” was used in the attacks on several villages in Farah.

Official military policy on the use of white phosphorus is to only use the high-intensity, self-igniting material as a smoke screen during battles or to illuminate targets, not as a weapon against human beings—even enemy troops.

Now that policy, and the military’s blanket denial that phosphorus was used in Farah, have to be questioned, thanks to a recent report filed from a remote area of Afghanistan by a New York Times reporter.</description>
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<p>May 18, 2009<br />
Caught in a Lie<br />
The U.S. is Using White Phosphorous in Afghanistan</p>
<p>By DAVE LINDORFF</p>
<p>When doctors started reporting that some of the victims of the US bombing of several villages in Farah Province last week—an attack that left between 117 and 147 civilians dead, most of them women and children—were turning up with deep, sharp burns on their body that “looked like” they’d been caused by white phosphorus, the US military was quick to deny responsibility.</p>
<p>US officials—who initially denied that the US had even bombed any civilians in Farah despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including massive craters where houses had once stood—insisted that “no white phosphorus” was used in the attacks on several villages in Farah.</p>
<p>Official military policy on the use of white phosphorus is to only use the high-intensity, self-igniting material as a smoke screen during battles or to illuminate targets, not as a weapon against human beings—even enemy troops.</p>
<p>Now that policy, and the military’s blanket denial that phosphorus was used in Farah, have to be questioned, thanks to a recent report filed from a remote area of Afghanistan by a New York Times reporter.</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271331</link>
		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be asleep and having a nightmare.
I agree with everything in this essay.
If Iraq was a &quot;bridge too far&quot;, then Afghanistan is a time-zone too far.
Even if we had the money and the patience and the blood to build a nation out of Afghanistan, why would we?
There&#039;s got to be a simpler and cheaper solution to preventing another 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be asleep and having a nightmare.<br />
I agree with everything in this essay.<br />
If Iraq was a &#8220;bridge too far&#8221;, then Afghanistan is a time-zone too far.<br />
Even if we had the money and the patience and the blood to build a nation out of Afghanistan, why would we?<br />
There&#8217;s got to be a simpler and cheaper solution to preventing another 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271191</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, RAWA also has issued numerous statements telling us they want us to leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, RAWA also has issued numerous statements telling us they want us to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271051</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, cry for the women and girls of Afghanistan:

&quot;Dust has been thrown into the eyes of the world by your governments. You have not been told the truth. The situation now is as catastrophic as it was under the Taliban for women. Your governments have replaced the fundamentalist rule of the Taliban with another fundamentalist regime of warlords. [That is] what your soldiers are dying for.&quot; Instead of being liberated, she is on the brink of being killed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/malalai-joya-the-woman-who-will-not-be-silenced-1763127.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, cry for the women and girls of Afghanistan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dust has been thrown into the eyes of the world by your governments. You have not been told the truth. The situation now is as catastrophic as it was under the Taliban for women. Your governments have replaced the fundamentalist rule of the Taliban with another fundamentalist regime of warlords. [That is] what your soldiers are dying for.&#8221; Instead of being liberated, she is on the brink of being killed.<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/malalai-joya-the-woman-who-will-not-be-silenced-1763127.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/malalai-joya-the-woman-who-will-not-be-silenced-1763127.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271038</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed the article and the historical perspective.  It curves into the recent report and statements by Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Captain and Iraq veteran.  This is a guy who has no problem killing the bad guys.  But after working with the State Department [I believe he was a senior civilian rep working in country] he resigned because he felt the effort in Afghanistan is basically futile and merely spilling American blood fruitlessly.

From what I&#039;ve read his decision and resignation letter has stirred things up in Washington circles.  He is very well respected, so his opinion had a big impact.

In his resignation letter, Hoh said the following:

&quot;But many Afghans are fighting the United States largely because its troops are there — a growing military presence in villages and valleys where outsiders, including other Afghans, are not welcome and where the corrupt, U.S.-backed national government is rejected. While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.&quot;

Sobering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed the article and the historical perspective.  It curves into the recent report and statements by Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Captain and Iraq veteran.  This is a guy who has no problem killing the bad guys.  But after working with the State Department [I believe he was a senior civilian rep working in country] he resigned because he felt the effort in Afghanistan is basically futile and merely spilling American blood fruitlessly.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read his decision and resignation letter has stirred things up in Washington circles.  He is very well respected, so his opinion had a big impact.</p>
<p>In his resignation letter, Hoh said the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;But many Afghans are fighting the United States largely because its troops are there — a growing military presence in villages and valleys where outsiders, including other Afghans, are not welcome and where the corrupt, U.S.-backed national government is rejected. While the Taliban is a malign presence, and Pakistan-based al-Qaeda needs to be confronted, the United States is asking its troops to die in Afghanistan for what is essentially a far-off civil war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sobering.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1271016</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the history lesson.  

Still the word &quot;Taliban&quot; makes me cry for the women and girls of Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the history lesson.  </p>
<p>Still the word &#8220;Taliban&#8221; makes me cry for the women and girls of Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn's Harbor</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1270982</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn's Harbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a truly interesting post with all of its history and corrections of distortions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a truly interesting post with all of its history and corrections of distortions.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMike</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1270972</link>
		<dc:creator>MrMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lessons learned in South East Asia are forgotten. 
But that&#039;s the Neo-cons for you. 
Perhaps if some of them took up arms for their country their views would be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lessons learned in South East Asia are forgotten.<br />
But that&#8217;s the Neo-cons for you.<br />
Perhaps if some of them took up arms for their country their views would be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35320/wpost-misleads-on-afghan-history/#comment-1270967</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the long view. I don&#039;t think you can understand any current situation without looking at a county&#039;s history.

There is no doubt that, in any country, fanning the flames of any fundamentalist religion for short-term political benefit has always been disastrous in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the long view. I don&#8217;t think you can understand any current situation without looking at a county&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that, in any country, fanning the flames of any fundamentalist religion for short-term political benefit has always been disastrous in the long term.</p>
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