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The Last Days of the GOP

BUMPED UP FROM Sunday for today’s Election Day || Reprinted from The Daily Beast with the express permission of John Batchelor.

On Saturday, Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava suspended her bid in the special election, citing a lack of funds. John Batchelor on the ugly food fight for a New York House seat and why the cynical celebrity endorsements of Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, and the Club for Growth will hurt the GOP.

The news arrived this morning like the report of a mugging that the Republican Party choice for the 23rd, the sturdy, dull, dutiful Dede Scozzafava, was quitting the campaign for Congress and releasing her supporters without a recommendation. Scozzafava’s late decision, with less than 66 hours until the polls open, hints at backstairs deals, whispered pay-offs, promises from Albany, all of which is likely untrue and romantic rubbish.

Scozzafava leaves the race and returns to her New York Assembly seat as a Republican. Not a Club for Growth libertarian “Too Big to Fail!” Republican; not a Tea Party “Mad as Hell!” Republican; not a Fox News or talk radio “We report!” Republican. Just a Republican like me and a few others who pay mind to the fact that the party comes from a philosophy that is tolerant, obedient, respectful, curious, generous, kind, liberty-loving, and not much in fashion just now.

“No one pretends that the celebrity endorsements of novice Doug Hoffman have much to do with the people of the hardscrabble North Country of the (NY) 23rd. The district could be South Waziristan, and the game would be played just as cynically.”

What happens to the 23rd? The Democratic Party announced last eve it is sending in Vice President Joe Biden to campaign for Democratic candidate Bill Owen. The Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele overnight endorsed the “business person” Doug Hoffman. The two big dogs, the Republican right-wing and the Obama administration’s executive, look to be throwing in cash, muscle, sparkle, and ground troops. There is still no good evidence that the cunning Club for Growth cares a tent peg for the North Country, and this seems appropriate. Whatever the 23rd was, it’s a surrogate battlefield now, fought over by the lords and ladies of cynicism from long before there was a burden of party faithfulness and grace. Ronald Reagan called it the 11th Amendment, “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican,” but that was then, when the party could win 49 states, and this is now, when the party can’t win a rotten borough without dry-gulching, and maybe not even then.

The most melodramatic turn in the fairy tale of “conservative financial expert” Doug Hoffman rising up on the shoulders of Republican celebrities such as Fred Thompson, Steve Forbes, and Dick Armey to contest the special election in the 23rd New York Congressional district against the regular Republican incumbent is that this is not a simple story about winning on Tuesday. No, this is a story about the sneaky takeover of the shabby GOP remnant by the most arrogant creatures in American politics, the Club for Growth and their fair-weather companions, the hungry Republican zombies.

All together, these potentates constitute a right-wing nihilism made up of charming or churlish older males who come down from their gated neighborhoods in Olympus now and again to preach their giddy “I’ve got mine!” libertarian cant to the meek of the Earth and threaten mayhem against the Republican Party if it does not obey a Busby Berkeley kick-line of billionaire cranks. Before the concoction of the Club for Growth, a right-wing political group that advocates limited government and lower taxes and invented the “RINO Watch” list, in the last moments of the Clinton presidency, it was possible to ignore the carping of the rich and insufferable. Yet since the toxins of the Bush presidency rendered the party a taxidermist’s exhibit in the North and West–anywhere outside of the Confederacy or the Mormon Tabernacle—the Club for Growth crowd has learned to enjoy a sadistic sport—harassing anyone in the GOP who does not kiss the hem of His Rt. Hon. Tax Cut or who has fresh thoughts outside of a looped reel of Life with Father.

No one pretends that the celebrity endorsements of novice Doug Hoffman have much to do with the people of the hardscrabble North Country of the 23rd. The district could be South Waziristan, and the game would be played just as cynically. Gamely aging hambone Fred Thompson’s stirring ad for Hoffman uses a script so shopworn it could have been lifted from 1994 or even 1934, disdaining “big government, high taxes, broken promises,” and boosting the saucer-eyed, slow-tongued Hoffman as “not a career politician” but a “principled conservative” who will “go home when the job is done.” Perhaps no one told Thompson that the mention of “go home” introduces the uncomfortable fact that Hoffman does not live in the district he aims to represent. Nor does Thompson, a defeated presidential candidate, seem aware of the irony that he has yet to “go home.”

Fred Thompson is a virtuous pitchman compared to the hard evidence of the Republican fringe’s bloody-minded whimsy in the 23rd in the form of a dirty TV trick paid for by a Club for Growth billionaire out of Arkansas, the octogenarian bond house scion Jackson Stephens. A Stephens-financed creation called “Common Sense for America” has poured a six-figure buy into the district’s penurious media market to run a 30-second TV ad that appears to be an endorsement of the Republican Party’s nominee, the hapless New York State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava. Branding Scozzafava as the “progressive choice,” the announcer lists the candidate’s three socially liberal positions of pro-choice, pro-union, pro-gay rights. The ad does not mention Doug Hoffman or the Democratic candidate Bill Owen, so it achieves a new type of mischief, a plush push ad. More interesting is the fact that Jackson Stephens, a major benefactor of the Club for Growth, is a veteran political sniper who can still be heard giggling over his contributions to the Swift Boat riddling of John Kerry’s war record in 2004.

The Club for Growth’s own ad for Hoffman is dreary and vague, spanking Bill Owen as a liberal lawyer, ignoring Dede Scozzafava like a wallflower, and boosting the Ichabod Crane figure of Doug Hoffman as a “fiscally conservative business person.” For weeks, the lone significant fact has been that the Club for Growth is writing big checks for advertising and campaigning in order to marshal the kind of volunteers that only greenbacks and influence peddling can rent, such as pro-life ground troops and plenty of pranksters to wave Hoffman signs behind Dede Scozzafava during her pouty YouTube events.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who is pre-selling her book, and Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, who is selling his obscure presidential candidacy, leaped late into the parade for Hoffman with no interest whatsoever in the candidate or the cause. Palin and Pawlenty look to be needy creatures controlled by their appetites for headlines and hooey and seem out of their depth here, like puppies on the Adirondack Northway. Former New York Governor George Pataki’s late-in-the-day endorsement of Hoffman against his own predilection for Scozzafava (reportedly she was Pataki’s posse’s pick to start with, a hard-slogging minority assemblywoman) is not explicable except that, in the end, most successful politicians learn to walk upright without a spine.

The New York 23rd remains a cautionary tale about the Club for Growth and its snooty deviousness during the last days of the GOP. The national polls show a Republican Party withered to just 20 percent of respondents, and now there is a possibility of single digits before someone turns off the creepy movie, I, Zombie. The talk radio choir and their Fox News pantomimes have seized on the Hoffman boom as a demonstration of the potential strength of the Tea Party conservatives. Rush Limbaugh has called Dede Scozzafava a “pretender” and an “extreme liberal Republican” who “might as well be a Democrat.” Limbaugh has twisted himself and logic into explaining how Hoffman is not a third-party candidate in order to fend off the chilling possibility that the Republican Taliban is slouching to a new low and into a third-party cave.

Limbaugh is also hectored by his celebrity rival Newt Gingrich, who alone among the zombie Republicans has presented himself on TV as supporting Scozzafava as “adequately conservative.” Gingrich appears tormented on Fox when he argues that dumping the party nominee for a hireling of the Club for Growth is “not a good precedent”–an observation that might have come to Gingrich long ago when he first set himself up as leader of the right-wing purge of the GOP.

What’s the worst that can happen? From the national vantage point, a Hoffman win would demonstrate no more than the sabotage potential of outsider money in a special election. Owen still may win in the fractured low turnout that’s expected, and certainly the Democrats look well-positioned to grab yet another blue seat in the Empire State next year. For the remains of the Republican Party, Hoffman’s instant success would feed the fantasy that the party only performs credibly when it is guided by intolerance, inheritance, cynicism, and nihilism.

The enthusiasms of the New York 23rd will swiftly fade as the Republican right-wing rallies for next year’s Apocalypse-lite mid-term elections, though the footnote may read that this special election was a marker when the party of Ike, Nixon, Ford, and the Bushes began its autumnal stroll into the oblivion of a bootless cult.

John Batchelor is radio host of the John Batchelor Show. Catch his show, with guest Larry Johnson, tonight at 11 p.m. ET.

  • yttik

    No way, I think this is the most exciting race in politics I’ve seen for a while! Sarah Palin threw down a gauntlet to the RNC by endorsing the conservative independent. After she stepped in the ring, several R’s followed suit. That’s real leadership. She’s put the party on notice, find your conservative roots or we’ll take our votes elsewhere. I wish the Dem party had a champion like her.

    I’ll agree that NY-23 is being used for political purposes on the national level, but then again that’s exactly what Scozzafava’s selection was about too, playing politics. And Obama and Biden coming to campaign for the Dem, that’s politics, too. It’s kind of unfair to call the R’s and Palin cynical and accuse them of playing politics, when I promise you the President and VP are not there because they care deeply about the people in NY-23.

  • Heather

    I also think that race is incredibly exciting. Did you mention Scozzafava endorsed the Democrat? After Newt was defending how she would always stand with Republicans. He looked so stupid.

  • Jim S

    The GOP spent $900K on her campaign and she spits on them after she’s outed as a mostly out of the closet full blown liberal running as a Republican. Question now is how many of those that would have voted for her will recognize her a a lying POS who probably would have done an Arlan Spector on them anyway and now vote for Hoffman over the Liberal Democrat Owens??

  • Onofre’s arm

    I also just heard that Scuzzy is supporting the Dem. It makes me wonder if she’s somehow related to Arlen Sphincter.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The roots of the Republican party are not represented in the party of the present, with its unholy alliance between the religious right and corporate America. The Republican party to which I briefly belonged when Gerald Ford was president is not the party of today or the party of Ike for that matter and that is why I left and will not go back until that changes. Neither will I go back to the Democratic party for the same reasoning. In essence, both parties left me hanging at some point in time and since that is the case, I am content to remain independent.

  • Onofre’s arm

    You beat me by 8 seconds with the Arlan Spector comparison. Jinx!

  • Jim S

    8 seconds can feel like a lifetime… if you ride bulls for a living.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think the National Republican Congressional Committee should spit back on her and demand their $900K back.

  • Tammy

    You are another idiot Representative of the dead people of the Republican party. The blue blood snobs who get played on TV: A speech writer for Reagan(man, that’s an old resume) named Noonan.

    Another old fart named Newt, espouses conservative values, and then supports an Acorn Republican!
    And that Republican turns around and supports a DEMOCRAT!

    Your hypocrisy is frightening, John.
    You aren’t conservative, you are just looking for ratings, like Obama with his photo op amidst our dead solders. He doesn’t give a DAMN about the military.
    He has work to do remaking America.

    It’s not the voters who are stupid, it’s the parties, and their lying hacks. And people like YOU, John Bachelor. You can repeat over and over that Republicans and conseratives(which you lie to be) are dead, but we will KILL the Democrats in 2010.

    You won’t help us. And I don’t care.
    I stand for the power of freedom.
    You don’t support those who are trying to uphold it, you call them “needy creatures”.
    It is YOU who are needy: For air time.

    Can’t wait to hear you sell out America tonight.

    I’ll be listening to you “conservatives”, John and Larry.

  • KB

    I agree with yttik-this is a very exciting race on many levels not the least of which is the gutsy Palin endorsing Hoffman. Newt always sidesteps direct endorsements of Palin and she obviously isn’t in this for any politician (or media) popularity contests. Newt should face this blunder head on and just admit he made a mistake…just like the RNC for picking her in the first place. Palin spotted the RINO and made the better choice by far. That’s leadership.

  • getfitnow

    Check it out:

    Dede Scazzafava officially endorsed democrat Bill Owens today after she held discussions with democratic New York Senator Charles Schumer.
    The Watertown Daily News reported:

    Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., was among those who urged Dierdre K. Scozzafava to endorse Democratic congressional candidate William L. Owens, the senator’s spokesman said Saturday.

    The spokesman, Maxwell Young, said the senator called a number of north country political leaders after Ms. Scozzafava suspended her campaign and had more than one conversation with the Republican candidate ahead of her announcement. He said the senator also called other Democratic leaders about the situation, including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Palin has been spotting and outing corruption and frauds, even in her own party, for years. She was the reformer that we needed, and still need, to clean an excessively cluttered political house. Why else do you think she scares so many powerful people? And it also explains why she’s such a target.

  • Tammy

    I KNEW I would be blocked.
    You are hypocrites.

  • sowsear

    Diedre is a really staunch Republican!
    I just read a quote somewhere that a successful politician learns to walk upright without a spine. Guess you don’t have to be too successful. Shouldn’t we be watching to see what her payoff is-if Schumer and Emannuel are involved?

  • Onofre’s arm

    In the mid thirties, the Nazis infiltrated opposing political parties in much the same manner. Those parties that weren’t morphed into the Nazi mold, were eventually destroyed. The assimilation by the new Democrat/Progressive/Marxist party of all other political parties may be underway.

  • TeakWoodKite

    The competition is sure to be a fierce one and CBR is bringing in the meanest, rankest bulls in the world to insure an incredible show.

  • oowawa

    the Republican Taliban is slouching to a new low and into a third-party cave.

    HaHa–bring on the rhetorical excess!

    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

    Yeats could have never envisioned the Republican Taliban! Just picture Newt, Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh with their heads wrapped up in towels–not to mention Sarah & Coulter in their new hijabs. ROFLMAO!

  • oowawa

    And, oh yes, they’re all carrying automatic weapons and rocket launchers and the more suicidal are strapped with dynamite belts. They’re also fighting against the U.S. Military. Beware the Republican Taliban!

  • Onofre’s arm

    I’m hiding under my bed Oowawa, let me know when they’re gone.

  • oowawa

    Well, Onofre’s arm, even when you think they’ve slouched back to their caves, you never know when the “zombie Republicans” are going to break down your door and eat your brains. They can’t be killed.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Eating MY toxic brain will kill them!

  • Lana

    I just read a quote somewhere that a successful politician learns to walk upright without a spine

    What a great quote!

  • oowawa

    LOL–I’m sure mine is way too bitter, even for a “Republican Zombie.” But it almost sounds pleasant there at the end, like taking an “autumnal stroll into the oblivion of a bootless cult.” Does this mean we all wear flip-flops?

  • Onofre’s arm

    “If you latch on to a winner, no more eatin’ beans for dinner. It’s that heart stoppin’, neck poppin’, reelin’, rockin’, rollin’ Rodeo.”

  • sowsear

    I had that thought when the Republican Party didn’t support McCain, and McCain, in turn, suddenly gave up on himself and Palin.
    During the primaries I thought the Repubs were just trying to get to the weaker candidate BO, but I’ve since thought it was more devious than that.

  • ImaLindatoo

    What?????

    are you at all familiar with the candidate you are trashing the others for? We won’t get in to the claim of Reagan’s not speaking ill of fellow Repubs.

    Do you know her record? So, you are ok with a special interest voting, Democratic supporting Republican, as long as she chose the R???

    I see someone shared the news breaking…at least for you…that the Dem’s were making her promises and that she did endorse the Democrat.

    Dede just got done confirming what the Republicans were saying about her record and support.

    She had the weight of the machine and special interests behind her, and it was the smaller guy, who you now want to claim the big guy, that was the bottom up guy gaining attention and support.

    He was happy when he raised 30K…and after he got the endorsements just over a week ago did he pull in the 116 K.

    And while you cry she didn’t have the money. The GOP paid over 500 K for her campaign, she just wasn’t raising much on her own.

    And Sarah Palin is hardly a “right wing”, it seems you confess to being that by following who ever is wearing the R.

    Palin has always been a reformer, fiscal responsibility with a populism, which is how she had such incredible support in Alaska, until they knew she would be a foe of Dem’s on the national level.

    This post just has be soo confused.

  • ImaLindatoo

    Dede just confirmed to all those voters “thank goodness you didn’t believe me and vote for me, I just showed what a sell out I am…and a liar”.

    You don’t have to be a Republican to say no one likes a sell out.

    That’s what many us Dem’s didn’t like about Obama.

    Standing on principle and not blowing in the wind towards the money or the special interest is what voters are asking for.

  • sowsear

    She had the weight of the machine and special interests behind her, and it was the smaller guy, who you now want to claim the big guy, that was the bottom up guy gaining attention and support.
    ________________________________

    This has me confused. Who’s on first?

  • abycat

    You got this one wrong John.

  • oowawa

    This has me confused.

    Sowsear, it’s like a barroom brawl in a western-war-horror movie; just break a chair over somebody’s head (preferably a Republican Zombie or Taliban) and we’ll sort it all out later.

  • Onofre’s arm

    When the New York Times endorsed McCain for the Republican party early on in the primaries, my first thoughts were that the Times would obviously endorse the Republican that would be the easiest to beat. My fears were sadly realized. At least McCain put one Helluva scare into them when he chose Palin. But of course, that just made the MSM, and the Obama dirt dogs, shift immediately into triple, ultra, mega, defamatory mode regarding Sarah.

  • TeakWoodKite

    It’s feast or famine in the middle we jammin!

    KING: This is what Chris Van Hollen — obviously, he’s a Democrat and your colleague in the House. He’s chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. He says, “The far-right tea-bag party is leading the Republican Party around by the nose.”

    BOEHNER: Well, we’re in the middle of, I think, of a political rebellion going on in America. And this rebellion are by people who really have not been actively involved in the political process. And they don’t really care whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican. They want to see people who are going to stand up and protect the future for our kids and grandkids.

    .
    On Cnn’s State of the Onion today.
    Both of these Representatives are aware of the independents massing. One calls them right og right and the other simple acknowledges that his party is unable to protect their flank but does not denigrate.
    I am loath to cite Boener, but I am one of those people that don’t give a damn what party you are from.

  • ImaLindatoo

    And now Jake Tapper is posting that there’s a rumor that she’s going to be a robo call for Owens from Dede.

    Isn’t it funny, she’s pissing all over the groups and GOP that was paying for her campaign? But poor her, didn’t have enuf money to compete?

    Who’s naive?

    We’re…and she…being endorsed by Daily Kos and ACORN, is doing Obama politics…say anything to reach those few who don’t know anybetter………’nuf said on that too.

  • oowawa

    It’s feast or famine in the middle we jammin!

    Well, Teak, I thought I was kind of a middlin’ sort of common citizen, and Boehner’s statement seems to summarize how I feel, but I would hate to wake up and find that I have been taking an “autumnal stroll into the oblivion of a bootless cult,” unlike 69,000,000 enlightened voters who come to mind . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    I was thinking we’ld be wearing “Crocs”, perhaps because I had “a crock of shit” image floating around my toxic brain regarding this article.

  • Onofre’s arm

    He makes it sound like all of us Republicans will be homeless, overpass dwellers, no longer sheltered by the big tent. I chill to think of “The Winter of My Discount Tent”.

  • http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2009/110101.html Insightful

    Thr right sees the Owens victory — and the GOP defeat — as a boon for them and, also, a step to re-taking the Democrats:
    http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2009/110101.html

  • oowawa

    a Busby Berkeley kick-line of billionaire cranks.

    Can we let Little Orphan Annie sing “The Sun Will Ccme Out Tomorrow” in front of that kick-line? Yes we can! Yes we can! If only we had Hope! If only we had a charismatic leader to show us the way!

    (Mr. Batchelor, the music in your poetic line is wonderful)

  • sowsear

    I thought I was over at Lame Cherry for a minute

  • oowawa

    LMAO–nice! I’m a homeless PUMA–where can I buy me one of those little “discount tents”? Ain’t any kind of revival meeting, even with free food and drink, that would ever get me back inside of any Big Tent . . .

  • TeakWoodKite

    All these zombies are chanting “The notion that..”

    I just see both of the yeahoos shiting on my walmart tent like a “loose” camel.

    I made igloos as kid, do they count for a tent?

    Can’t the FCC have a spare the air day? I mean they now are telling me if I have a fire in the fire place and it’s a spare the air day, (very cold) I must pay 450 if they “catch” me?

    They zombies are makin off with ftrolls gold and I’ll get popped for trying to stay warm.

    Strange forest I find myself in.

  • sowsear

    Yes, but sadly, McCain didn’t speak up all that loudly in her defense.

  • Obamastolemycountry

    Not that it matters because I don’t get to vote anyway, but I like Hoffman. Sorry.

    The thing is, when we have a socialist takeover of America, why would any Republicans support a “liberal” republican running????? Wasn’t much of the criticism of McCain that he was too moderate and that’s why many Repubs stayed home in 2008 and why we are punished with Obama???? C’mon now! If the Repubs want to throw mud in the eye of the socialist takeover by the worst Democratic bastion of hell ever, ever, ever, a Republican should want to run someone very counter to a demoRAT and not a “liberal” anything. Holy smokes! I am glad that anyone other than a friggin’ liberal will start chipping away at the Democratic House of Horrors! I don’t care who they are. I was a lifelong dem, now Independent and I don’t want to go left to right, right to left, and on and on and on anymore, but I do want some power changing hands, starting now. And get the spineless jellyfish out of both parties! We need someone with some guts and love of country jumping into the flaming boat instead of jumping ship like they have been doing, to kiss the feet of the one and not hurt his feelings. Once there are some serious chips in the shell of the Democratic party from hell, then we need some kind of balance. No one party should have this much power and I will be glad if Hoffman wins. It will be a slap in the face to the democrats and I am not sorry to say they need to be slapped and they need to be shaken up. Many of them need to go to jail for things they have done, which will never happen under any “liberal” any party. It may not get done with Republicans either, but whatever. I am for Hoffman. I think a win for him sends a big message from the voters to both parties!

    It is also time to send the folks who go along to get along home! We need leaders who read the bills and know what they are voting for, we also need these folks to listen to their constituents and vote as the people want them to and if the party won’t back them, screw it! The people will back those who show true leadership.

  • http://! stodgie

    i believe we are seeing the decline and virutal endt of dimocrats in the next election. wrong pary there john!

  • http://liberalrapture.com/ John (from Liberal Rapture)

    This race is loathsome. It’s revolting enough to make me think about voting Democratic next year.

  • don tufts

    hey ferd,how are you.this fight in ny-23 is being portrayed as the wingnuts of the right against a moderate.i for one find that it is financial and american common sense that palin and others are championing in hoffman.the bigest red herring for me is that dede was for card check and supported dr utopias stimulas.its no wonder she flipped to the dems either as her husband is a prominate union official in the area.tuesday will be very interesting on a number of levals.

  • Bria

    The roots of the Republican party are not represented in the party of the present, with its unholy alliance between the religious right and corporate America.

    America is One Nation Under God and YES, we are succesful! We don’t need no freaking whining wimps like you in our party, moron.
    No wonder the democrats don’t want your sorry ass around either, you dink.

  • truthtelling007

    How are you blocked?

  • don tufts

    you just stated why we need sarah to keep doing what she is doing.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I suddenly have this strnge compulsion to plug in my old VHS copy of “Quest For Fire”, to be followed by “Clan of the Cave Bear”. If I’m doomed to wander bootless, through a frozen wasteland, ahead of brain sucking Republican Zombies, It would be nice I guess to have Daryl Hanna and Rae Don Chong for me to be sandwiched between.

  • Ledon

    NURSE!!
    That coockoo lady is screaming again! Yeah, the one with the “I love Dick Cheney’ tatoo…
    Please, give her something, she’s making everyone sick!

  • TeakWoodKite

    :) Top o’ the ninth. tied up.

  • Heather

    This wasn’t a “purge.” She dropped out because no one wanted to vote for her and she was losing. If you want to vote for someone that votes Democratic then maybe you should vote for a Democrat next year.

  • sowsear

    Schumer and Rahmbo engineered this. Anything the present Dems touch is rotten. And to think I was a lifelong Dem…
    If I may wax poetic, John, I borrow from Bronwyn’s recent post here:
    “have you no wisdom thus to despair?” »
    By Bronwyn’s HarborcloseAuthor: Bronwyn’s Harbor

  • Peggy Sue

    “the one with the “I love Dick Cheney’ tatoo…”

    Now, “that” was a good line, Ledon! Really made me laugh.

    I guess the next question would be: where exactly is that tatoo?

    As for Batchelor’s article? I found it refreshingly honest. I’m with Ferd in terms of party alligence at this point. Both these parties need a serious housecleaning. And there will be no more straight-party voting for me, ever again.

    Fool me once. I will not be fooled again.

  • William L. Donlon

    Couldn’t Agree More yittik!

    Sarah Palin led the field in standing up for Hoffman and risked the wrath of the Party.

    This lady makes decisions with out putting her finger it in the air — How refreshing.

    2008 is History.

    This IS the remaking of the Republican Party and let’s be honest, Newt got caught flat footed, with his finger in the air on the wrong side, and in 22010 that just doesn’t cut it.

    Sarah, for being a person painted so “dumb” that she can’t hit the floor with her own hat, is one smart Operator.

  • lorac

    No, no, no, arms don’t HAVE brains, you’re safe!

  • lorac

    Why must you make everything so personal? Can’t you express an opposite opinion without visciously attacking? Like a bull in a china shop….

  • socalannie

    Ferd is absolutely right & your comment is childish and pathetic. Go somewhere else if you want to call people elementary school names.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Country Before Party…

    Dede…is that spelled Fredo?

  • ImaLindatoo

    how did you come to the conclusion of that with the democrats running the race thi way? It makes you want more? lol

  • Arabella Trefoil

    She has writers’ block. It happens to all writers from time to time. Especially hard if you have to grind out those romance novels, 5 per year.

  • tek

    The interesting thing in the NY races is the role of independent third parties.

  • tek

    ImALindaToo: Right you are. I’m hoping people are starting to see through the so-called Democrats in the WH and Congress and are ready to turn these people out on the streets. If we don’t get term limits in this country, we have no hope of reviving democracy.

  • Ohio Granny

    For years I was told to vote for the Republican who could “win”, or the GOP incumberant because we never challenge the sitting guy if he is ours, only to know that they might be crooked or they might be more into their own reflection in the mirror or their own bank balance (the ultimate insider trading in the world is inside Capital Hill). So alas, me and a few million 912 Tea Party Townhall yellers, radicals and dissidents all, taxpayers, mom and pops, workers, friends, neighbors, devote Christians, and Jews, and “other” are saying, we’d rather take the Alamo stand, you know, the stand were we might all get creamed but we would have our principals, and we would have our dignity, and we would go down fighting. And in the end, we might wake up our fellow countrymen.
    If taking back power is the objective, then forget it! Power is not the objective. If getting a democrat lite elected because they claim to be an R, sorta/kinda/mostly, then forget it. If we can’t do better, then forget about it.
    There are good people out there. People who want what is best for the country and not just what is best for themseves. And those people, some of them grew up R and some of them grew up D, but all of them see that things aren’t right and need to be fixed…, THOSE are the people we will be backing.
    So I say the PARTY is over, and lastly, the one thing I heard going down Pennsylvania Ave on Sept 12th is;

    CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?

  • tek

    Teak: It’s interesting that Boehner can speak rather eloquently on a situation he helped to forge. He’s a twerp, although lately he has made more sense than he ever made when Dubya was in.

    One thing I would contest, these politicians always claim there’s a “revolution in politics” being carried out by people who’ve never been active in politics. That might have been true with the evangelical christians and Obama’s “youth,”; I think the people who starting to rebel now are Americans who have more political experience than anyone else in the country and so they are not moved by propaganda and framing. They recognize a pack of carpetbaggers when they see them.

  • don tufts

    do you bother to read before you post?this is a puma site and we and financial conservatives are more alike than we are differant,as long as we can agree to disagree about gay marriage and abortion we can form a majority that can take back this country before its too late from those that want to destroy it,

  • Ferd Berfle

    America is One Nation Under God and YES, we are succesful! We don’t need no freaking whining wimps like you in our party, moron. No wonder the democrats don’t want your sorry ass around either, you dink.

    “We”. LMAO.

    Well, troll, why don’t you and that mouse in your pocket actually address the specifics with respect to my comment. Oh, you’re a neoconpoop who can understand what little history they are actually able to read.

    Congratualtions, you have achieved a level of s t u p i d i t y normally reserved for bots of the obama persuasion.

  • tek

    Onofre: I believe you are on the right track. Exactly what these bad Democrats are trying to forge is as yet unclear, but it’s not anything good for the American people. Somehow all the illegals figure in it in some central way.

    Hitler also befriended street gangs that were roaming Germany after WWI reparations took effect. The street gangs morphed into his SS.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Oops. Too early in the morning. That should read, “who can’t understand what little history they are actually able to read.”

  • tek

    don: The most hilarious thing is the headline questioning whether moderates are welcome in the Republican Party! They certainly aren’t welcome in the Obama Democrat Party.

    The Democrats are trying to out-Rove Karl. It’s going to to boomerang back on them big time. Bunch of total amateurs.

  • Ferd Berfle

    While that may be true, my comment still stands. I want no part of a right-wing lunatic fringe that wants to lecture to me about morality and God any more than I’m going to listen to the left-wing lunatic fringe lecture me about same.

    I’m an adult, that particular area is MY business and not theirs and am perfectly capable of making those decisions and/or choices for myself and until the Republican party gets THAT, they’re not going to get me or anyone who thinks like me, which are many.

  • http://www.attorney.org Attorney

    hello ,She had the weight of the machine and special interests behind her, and it was the smaller guy, who you now want to claim the big guy, that was the bottom up guy gaining attention and support.

    Moremony

  • getfitnow

    Thank you, Ohio Granny! You speak for me.

  • http://www.moremony.com Moremony

    Palin has always been a reformer, fiscal responsibility with a populism, which is how she had such incredible support in Alaska, until they knew she would be a foe of Dem’s on the national level.

    attorney

  • devildog666

    Way to go granny!

  • Ferd Berfle

    as long as we can agree to disagree about gay marriage and abortion

    You still don’t get it. Both those issues are not the business of government or party, period. They are personal matters which should remain just that–personal–and not subject to the whim of politicians and anal-retentive control freaks.

    There are enough real problems to solve that will take a generation to mitigate. Work on those and forget the rest.

  • creeper

    John,

    I was going along with your program, buying most of what you wrote, till you referred to Republicans(!) as “zombies”.

    I think you have your parties confused.

  • EWard

    Kudos to your post! Hoffman is the only winner here. Dede is Benedict Arnold.

  • don tufts

    ferd i guess i came across wrong.you and i feel the same way about those two issues.i guess what i was trying to get across is for candidates to skirt those issues as much as they can and lets stick to the issues of the constitution and the economy.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You’re on the spot with this comment–yes we can agree.

  • Katmoon

    good one Martha. :)

  • Ferd Berfle

    ROFL

  • Ferd Berfle

    Both these parties need a serious housecleaning. And there will be no more straight-party voting for me, ever again.

    They certainly do. I am seriously considering a vote against any incumbent as a means of voicing my displeasure with the status quo. I am sick of the party line, especially since my concerns do not center around party but around the Republic and its Constitution.

  • Tammy

    A bull in a China shop? John Bachelor calls Republicans “zombies” and “needy”and several other epithets, and I’m the bull. Really?

    Did you actually read my post? I’m tired of old farts like Newt telling people in the Republican party who to vote for. Who crowned that jerk as the God of the GOP? I think he should shut up and retire. I’m also tired of being told that the GOP is dead. Just because John Bachelor says it’s so or the MSM says it’s so, does not make it true.

    I’ll go with Sarah Palin’s recommendation any day over John or Newt.
    Oh, and Lorac, this site is certainly not a China shop. It’s more like Chinette. Grow a spine.

  • Sassy

    A mere handful of republicans chose Dede to run for this seat, and she certainly could not be representative of a district that has been republican since the Civil War.
    This rather reminds me of “super delegates” walking all over the voters of their states!
    As of 2008, this family deducted 4 democrats and added 4 republicans.
    We will be parked on the “right”, unless and until independents “stand and deliver”!

  • don tufts

    off subject but you all might like to wander over to rbo ,she has a post up about good ol rev and basically admits he is a marxist,now i find that downright illuminating.

  • don tufts

    sorry got distracted,thats rev wright.

  • John Smith

    John,

    I hope that people like Dede will be all voted out of office. People like that are traitors to this country. The only reason she did not run as a democrat because it slot was already taken. She is nothing more then a politician that does not care about anything but her own interest. I am extremely glad she was kicked to the curb.

  • Peggy Sue

    hahaha, Arabella. I was thinking of a different sort of blockage. Bu I like your take better.

  • pinky

    If she wanted the Democrat to win, why didn’t she remain in the race?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Black Liberation Theology always has been an offshoot of the world communist movement. I thought everyone knew that. Of course, that suddenly changed this last election when it conveniently became just a big inner city Christian church in order to blur the possibilty that Obama had communist connections

    The world communist movement has ALWAYS made efforts to move into all other influential movements, they grab the steering wheel, and crank it to the hard left. Churches, the environmental movement, community organizations, Universities, and the Democratic party have all been invaded, and it’s NOT a secret, it’s not some covert conspiracy, Communist party officials openly admit to this tactic in matter of fact type tones. They become Czars in the new administration. Obama’s election has now emboldened them to arrogant audacity, as he represents their greatest achievement on the American front so far. It is not surprising for Rev. Wright to drop his pretense now that socialism/communism/fascism are becoming more accepted by growing numbers as possible structures for the future of this country. Utopia is certainly an attractive illusion.

  • John Smith

    She did not think that the people voting for her would have switch so quickly.

  • Ferd Berfle

    They become Czars in the new administration. Obama’s election has now emboldened them to arrogant audacity, as he represents their greatest achievement on the American front so far.

    Indeed. And those few friends I have that are obamatrons just don’t (want to) know a thing about this cozy relationship That One has with wannabe little autocrats. They’re smart when it comes to pointing out the foibles of the Republicans and the previous Administration but can’t seem to find a thing wrong with That One and his 2-Dumb Crew. I am so not impressed.

  • http://conservativerevolutionary.org Bryan Björnson

    When the Republican Party does not offer candidates who are conservatives then how is it different from the Democrats? I would rather lose an election with a real conservative than win with a RINO. If the GOP does not differentiate itself from the Democrats by the candidates it puts forth and the positions they take that will be the cause the death for the Republican Party. The Democrats are liberals who want an ever increasing and more intrusive government. The Republicans then must be conservatives who are for the reduction of the size and involvement of our government in our lives. If there is no difference between the two parties then is only one party. The selection of NY Assemblywoman Scozzafava to be the GOP’s candidate for NY-23 is the action not of a conservative Republican Party but a Republican Party that is imitating the Democrats. Imitation might be the sincerest form of flattery but it is also suicide for a political party.
    http://conservativerevolutionary.org

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Did Batchelor steal this from the front page of Dailykooks? Seriously. This sounds like any other armchair cheetos analysis about the GOP’s “End of Days”!

    But really, this MSM narrative that the GOP is in a civil war, eating it’s own, on the verge of a historic collapse is BS, and Batchelor should be smart enough to know it.

    This is a MSM that gives Barry daily handjobs on a most unprecidented scale, yet they know what is and isn’t good for the GOP? You know what it is? It’s jealousy. After the 94 election the Dems couldn’t move to the right far enough, couldn’t find GOP-lite candidates fast enough and it still didn’t work until the Delay/Bush GOP burned out on it’s own accord.

    Now the GOP tries to run Dem-lite and is thoroughly slapped by the conservative base and the tea party movement and convinced her to withdraw, raising Palin’s clout with the party base even further.

  • Prime Obot

    Good for you, Ferd. I agree completely. I’m sure you’ll just find a reason to insult me for this post too, but I congratulate you anyway.

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    What is missed here is that two thirds of the 23rd district were not supporting the Club for growth candidate. We are continually forced to choose between two fringes that most Americans prefer do not govern them. We watched the liberal left destroy Hillary Clinton and the DLC movement and we have watched the far right destroy Republicans who don’t dance to their tune.

    The fact is, most Americans remain in the center. And thus are always left deciding upon the lesser of evils.

    New York State once had a Republican party that provided a choice. Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javitts, Arthur Levitt, John Lindsey etc…They were more conservative then the liberal dems of the day, but would be drummed out of today’s Republican party. It’s a shame.

  • Carmen

    This woman is no republican just like Dagget in the other race. Dagget is a plant to dilute the vote while ACORN sends in it’s fradulent absentee votes to try once again to steal the election.

    It is clear this woman backed by the Working Families Party and SEIU is not now, and never was a republican. She should have been ESCORTED to the new communist party. There is no democrat party left, it has been hijacked, and though he is very much further along down the road, Hillary follows that same Alinsky road to Hell for all of us.

  • Peggy Sue

    NW said:

    “The fact is, most Americans remain in the center. And thus are always left deciding upon the lesser of evils.”

    Exactly. Americans remain in the center and the party insiders and purists decide who and what determines a “real” Republican or a “real” Democrat.

    The Big Tent notion of both parties is a joke, one made at the public’s expense.

  • Prime Obot

    The GOP is down to 17% identification in the latest polls. This is the smallest national rating ever achieved by one of the “major” political parties since they started asking the question. And if you exclude the South, it’s more like 10%.

    The Republican Party, at least for the time being, is no longer a national party. And the Hoffman debacle, whoever wins, can only hurt. The GOP is now wholly in thrall to clowns like Palin, Limbaugh and Beck who aren’t running for office, make money off the conflict they create, and couldn’t care less what really happens to the Republican Party or to America.

  • Prime Obot

    She’s a joke. She’s out for cash now, nothing more and nothing less. And as long as people like you still idolize her, she’ll get it. I wouldn’t expect her ever to run for office again, though. That’s actual work, not a strong suit for the Quitta from Wasilla.

  • Docelder

    If RINO’s were the ticket, them McCain would be the President right now. They aren’t. It’s like the old saying about salt that isn’t salty. It’s no good. RINO’s are a big part of the reason we have Obama right now. Because, if you don’t stand for anything, then you are irrelevant. Obama is the third way President. We don’t need another third way party made of RINO’s. We need a conservative party. Stop the world apology tour, and get to work rebuilding our own country.

  • sybilll

    I completely agree. I still am not sure what John was trying to say. The GOP screwed this up from the get-go by offering up Dede as their nominee, and Newt, Steele, etal, and their likes endorsed her solely because she had an (R) after her name. Hell, she has a voting hisotry more democratic than the democrat himself. I read about this skullduggery on a small blog a week before Thompson and Palin endorsed Hoffman. I even sent Hoffman a personal donation, and I live in TN. I also vowed that day to NEVER donate directly to the GOP or RNC again. The people of this country are sending a message. A clear one. I guess John isn’t hearing the same message that I am. Fair enough.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Well, hate to burst your bubble, but the obamabots are just as bad as the bushomatics. I’m a centrist and don’t like extremism in any form as it has no virtue and delivers no value added. I should have added to my comment that I won’t go back to the democratic party (of which I was an active member for 32 years), either. The single difference between the two parties lies in which of my pockets they are rifling and whose ox is being gored at any distinct moment in time.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Polls are to facts as obamabot talking points are to the truth, i.e., the intersects are the null.

  • Docelder

    Remember when Bill was President. He could have worked for health reform. Instead he worked for NAFTA. It speaks for itself. All of our Presidents have basically been the same thing dressed over since Bush I. Bush I was no conservative, Clinton was no liberal, Bush II was no conservative and Obama is no liberal. They are all working out to be the same, no matter the window dressings… our national debt load goes up, corporations just get larger and more influential and congress becomes more and more out of touch with real people.

  • Ferd Berfle

    We are continually forced to choose between two fringes that most Americans prefer do not govern them.

    Spot on. I’ve been yelling in that particular pickle barrel for years. The electorate has decided for reasons unknown to allow children to run this country (into the ditch). The only thing that changes is which side the ditch is on. That it is still a ditch does not register, apparently.

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    Obama would have beaten a true conservative by far more than he beat McCain. His election was the result of a cominbation of celebrity worship and a complete rejection of what the conservative movement did to this county.

    Unfortunately, the left has taken this as a sign to do things their way, from their fringe. Which is not what the people wanted.

    The people want moderation not ideology.

  • Ferd Berfle

    We need a conservative party.

    But the trouble there is that wedge issues will take over a party like that. I tend to be quite conservative from a fiscal standpoint but also think gays should be allowed to marry and that abortion is no one’s business but the immediate family. Ther are some things the government should do and others it shouldn’t do. What we really need is a *realist* party.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The people want moderation not ideology.

    I only wish that were so. The last three election cycles proved, if nothing else, that moderates (or centrists) get short shrift and take a beating from both extremes.

  • felizarte

    Comments denigrating Palin only show how scary she is to many. Every time someone declares her political career dead, she just gets resurrected even stronger. She endorsed Hoffman when he was last of the three candidates. I don’t understand how that endorsement could be classified as cynical.

    I consider myself an independent voter. My main objective is to see the principle of checks and balances continue in our government. I don’t want an executive branch able to bamboozle congress into enacting legislation that does not benefit the majority of the people or the country in the long run. I would prefer that no one party controls both houses of Congress. I prefer gridlock to unwise legislation.

  • Prime Obot

    That’s funny. Go do an actual search on mainstream media coverage of Sarah Palin at the end of August 2008 and early September. The notion that the MSM “immediately shifted into defamatory mode” is ludicrous. Everyone was fascinated by her, she was uniformly described as a rising star of conservative politics, and after her speech was well received at the GOP convention, she was pretty generally considered a newly minted political superstar. It was only after she actually attempted to speak extemporaneously to TV journalists and was revealed as a blithering idiot who could barely compose a coherent sentence in her head that the coverage began to turn on her. And even then, it was the opinion polls that did it, not the journalists. Journalists have always liked Palin because she makes for a great story. And that hasn’t changed. It is the American voters who no longer take her seriously — especially after she ditched Alaska midway through her first term.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    This yesterday from http://thelotuslaptopoftheunitedstates.blogspot.com

    Sunday, November 1, 2009

    Madame Goes Joe Wilson on Daggett

    Madame’s latest Facebook post was short, sarcastic, and to the point! Just the way I like it! She pulled a Web 2.0 Joe Wilson on Chris Daggett, the independent candidate for Governor in New Jersey. He said that Madame told him to drop out of the race on MSNBC today. She never even contacted him or his campaign!

    She said that Daggett was “playing loose with the facts”. That crossed the line. Madame doesn’t like lies and false accusations! She has told the media to “quit making things up”and has called attacks by anklebiters, “bullcrap”. She doesn’t like to mince words! After all, she is both a pit bull and a barracuda! She’s fierce!

    The final line was my favorite, the simplicity of sarcastic ellipses, “I’ve never even suggested he should drop out of the race. But, come to think of it…”

    Oh, Madame, you slay me!

    Sarah is finished taking bullcrap. I am also a fiscal conservative and don’t believe that issues such as sexual orientation or abortion belong in the provenance of government. To each their own and stay out of personal decisions, choices of marriage, etc. Contrary to the smears by the Dims, Sarah has no record of ever legislating her personal opinions on her constituents.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I heartily concur, Martha.

  • Ferd Berfle

    And as long as people like you still idolize her, she’ll get it.

    Well, you of all people is an expert on idolatry–you practice it every day here at NQ, where your kissing of the exhaust of your adored one has become an entirely unwelcome ritual. Go get a hotel room for God’s sake.

    Nice try, otherwise.

  • Prime Obot

    What’s weird is that you genuinely seem to see the Obama folks as radicals. To my mind that is ridiculous. They have passed up every single opportunity to do anything radical, from regulating Wall Street to going after a truly aggressive health reform plan. They are the ultimate insider centrists, to a fault. I can’t imagine how you see Obama as some wild-eyed socialist. Makes no sense.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Ferd, wonder if we’ll ever get to a time when people see the difference? The wedge issues serve no one and people need to begin ignoring them in debates.

    It may be too late and too much to expect from a culture of “reality shows”, celebrities and wannabes who share all the intimate details of their lives on camera.

  • Prime Obot

    Really? LOL. Let me tell you, speaking as a progressive Democrat, Sarah Palin is not scary to me at all, because I don’t believe there’s a snowball’s chance in hell she’ll ever hold major political office again, and her influence over the Republican Party as a voice from the right can only hurt by scaring away centrists.

    As for her coming back stronger: care to offer an example? From where I’m sitting, she has gone from a being Vice Presidential nominee to pathetically (astonishingly) quitting her job as governor before even finishing one term, and now she’s a bestselling pretend author and conservative media gadfly, which is probably her proper level. But it’s been a trip down in terms of power, and I am not anticipating her moving back up. I don’t even think she’s good enough to take up an ongoing Fox News TV or radio slot; those people work hard, many hours per day, and have to be able to speak very coherently off the top of their head. Not exactly our Sarah’s strong suit.

    No, pretending to write books and keeping up with her staff’s Facebook updates on her behalf is pretty much her proper level.

    And please don’t accuse me of sexism: HRC’s proper level is Secretary of State, Senator, maybe President someday. Hillary has her flaws, but in general she is awe-inspiring, a world class intellect and leader. Grouping her in any way with Sarah Palin is a grievous insult to one of the great political leaders of our time.

  • Peggy Sue

    And as long as people like you, OB, keep denigrating her, Palin’s mythical status grows. I happen to personally admire Palin’s backbone and grit. Do I think she’s qualified to be POTUS? No.

    But the constant barrage against Palin is deeply resented by a lot of women. We’ve heard the all sexist diatribes we wish to hear–first against Hillary, and then Palin. So, even the modest piling on: The Quitta from Wasilla drive more and more people into Palin’s camp.

    When are the Dems going to realize that they’ve poisoned the well???

  • hc123

    Any group of voters who tells their party of choice to take the crap candidate(s) presented and stick it has my respect. Especially if it brings candidates not blessed by a party machine into office.

    Scozzafava is is not a “moderate republican”, shes a big labor democrat and a D grade political opportunist. I am glad that she came on out and endorsed Owens, it may be her one honest move.

    I dont see any reason to view this election as the demise of the Republicans. If Hoffman wins it, I would take it as an affirmation of their views holding sway in NY23, even if their party failed them at the local level by selecting a ridiculous candidate.

  • Doc99

    Note that Scozzafava was also endorsed by ACORN’s political wing, the WFP. Some Republican! Even woeful George Pataki endorsed Hoffman.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Ferd, wonder if we’ll ever get to a time when people see the difference? The wedge issues serve no one and people need to begin ignoring
    them in debates.

    I doubt it, Martha. The wedge issues are what bring out the voters who otherwise understand nothing that is more complicated than an electric can opener. That there are nuances is lost on a lot of the electorate, who want absolute answers to questions that shouldn’t have been asked in the first place and don’t want answers to those that should have been asked.

    It may be too late and too much to expect from a culture of “reality shows”, celebrities and wannabes who share all the intimate details of their lives on camera.

    Indeed. It is the new and improved version of shadows on the cave walls and Plato is turning spinning in his grave.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    hey Bot

    No, pretending to write books like

    “Dreams of my Father” that Obama went off to a tropical island only to find he could not put pen to paper so Good Old Bomber Ayres swings by to do the writing for him.

    U MEAN THAT PRETENDING??? YOUR A LAUGH A MINUTE

    LOL, FOOL

  • IndianaDem

    Maybe Palin symbolizes some ideal to those who are blind to her shortcomings in the same way that Obama symbolizes an ideal to those who are blind to his.

    In the same way, those who focus on the negative see Obama or Palin as the embodiment of all they detest and are unable to recognize any virtues.

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  • TeakWoodKite

    Tek, I am not convinced he isn’t just paying lip service to this segment of political dissent. I am questioning why if he is aware of it and the Republican party has tried to co-opt it, why they are mostly unable to.

    He is most certainly a whiny alcoholic twerp.
    But compared to Van Hollings, he did not denigrate me. The rethugs and dethugs will yank anyones chain that they can. I am not buying. I also think you are correct that the herd of political zebras come in all manner of stripes and who’s promises unkempt are hopes dashed, none of which puts food on the table.

  • socalannie

    I’ve been posting here for over two years, and yes, I do read the post I’m responding to…not sure from your post if you’re responding to me or the person that attacked Ferd.

  • Peggy Sue

    OB said:

    “HRC’s ‘proper’ level is Secretary of State, . . . and maybe, President someday.”

    Oh yes, we would never accuse you of raw sexism.

    You identify yourself by your words, OB.

    But I’ll give you this–you are correct: there is absolutely no, none, zilch comparison between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. It’s like comparing top soil to sand.

    And yet, both were, have been [and in Palin's case] continually treated with equal measures of contempt.

    Hillary Clinton suffered ridiculous abuse at the hands of the Republicans since the 90′s. How ironic that they now wish she were POTUS

  • Ferd Berfle

    By the way, socalannie: I appreciate your coming to my defense when I was offline. Tha was very gracious of you.

    Ferd.

  • Peggy Sue

    Whoops! That got posted before I was ready.

    In any case:

    So, you might be able to imagine my shock, my absolute disgust when Democratic operatives acted in the same small, petty way in order to push a man who wasn’t even half Hillary Clinton’s equal.

    Oh, I know. That will bring a accusation of racism. Didn’t I hear that a thousand times.

    Look at the God damn record, you asshole. And try to tell me the best, the most qualified candidate was pushed by the DNC. Trot out all that legislation which is fine and dandy. As long as we [the women in the room] are willing to sit down and shut up.

    And now it’s Palin’s turn. How many ways can we slice and dice someone?

    And btw, I am not a Palin supporter.

    So, please. Keep your self-righteous indignation for another venue. Unless you’re prepared to tell me you were willing to stand up to the Democratic Party and call a foul a foul.

    Otherwise, your opinion is self-serving and absolutely irrelvant!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Hillary Clinton suffered ridiculous abuse at the hands of the Republicans since the 90’s. How ironic that they now wish she were POTUS

    Unfortunately, you’re spot on, Peggy Sue. That’s the problem with being a centrist and a woman. HRC as centrist gets it from both fringes but, as an added slap in the face; HRC as woman also gets it from a many, many men and not so few women, too. It is despicable, unfair, and myopic–and I’m still seething over it.

  • Ferd Berfle

    He is most certainly a whiny alcoholic twerp.

    That he is. The GOP would be wise to rid themselves of that simpering creature.

  • Sassy

    I agree hc123!
    This woman’s flip-flop demonstrates that the voters in her district were best served by her exit!

  • Ellen D

    I don’t think you noticed that Ferd was making the comment that BOTH parties are in the same game of fleecing the taxpayer for their corporate friends.

  • Ellen D

    Yay Ferd! What we need is a mind-your-own-business party. Will everyone please get out of everyone else’s personal life?

    There are huge Wall Street issues going on right now that will determine the financial future of the United States. That’s what we should be worrying about.

  • TeakWoodKite

    What’s weird is that you genuinely seem to see the Obama folks as radicals.

    For a guy that hung with Ayers and Wright and and and….

    Radical? Redistibute your wealth PBot, I want it all.

  • Ellen D

    I also found John’s article honest and refreshing. I guess there are a lot of us independents out there wandering around, estranged from both parties.

  • lorac

    It’s not about a spine, it’s about a mature sense of decorum. It really is totally possible to express a contrary opinion without attacking someone personally. People like hearing different opinions and discussing them – but the nastiness – not so much.

  • Peggy Sue

    Keep it up, OB. She’s dithering idiot, she ditched Alaska? Well, yes. But then, you forget to mention that this was after Dem/Obama cultists made her life and the life of her family unbearable.

    The journalists loved her??? The so-called journalists were dumpster-diving for any smut they could find, while, oddly enough, they couldn’t find the time [or resources--I just love that excuse] to vet Barack Obama’s Chicago years.

    You are so full of shit! What, you think we’ve all had lobotomies?

    Go back to Kos. That’s a likely home for your rationale–the land of the koolaide addicts.

    God, you make me hate the Democratic Party!

  • lorac

    I never heard of her before this election, but with people calling her a traitor, I’m wondering if people are feeling that we should only have a right-wing and a left-wing party. Isn’t there room for moderate republicans and moderate democrats?

    Because I’m not either wing – there must be somewhere for all the people like me. A lot of people (especially now) feel more fiscally conservative, but more socially liberal. The moderates/centrists were the type of people we vote for. Just wondering….

  • Peggy Sue

    Had a post gobbled by spammy monster. Sending an email now.

  • lorac

    Yes! to Nocturnal Warrior and Peggy Sue.

    It IS starting to feel like a fight between wings, when 70% of the country aren’t wingers…

  • lorac

    Great metaphor, Ferd.

  • lorac

    Well, the wedge issues serve the politicians themselves, if they can get those issues to divide us. So besides getting people to see that the wedge issues aren’t the government’s business, we need the people to see that it’s all manipulation by our politicians…

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  • Onofre’s arm

    Wrong again botfly. The malicious smears started immediatly following her “well received” convention speech. It was in fact that powerful performance that sent an entire left wing media/Obama machine into full attack mode, long before any of her ambush interviews. If Obama had ever been attacked in an interview the way Palin had been, he would have been reduced to a stuttering, simpering, puddle of gooo. Hell, Joe the plumber deftly induced him to reveal his socialist mindset. Here’s a sample of the type of articles that were written IMMEDIATLY after the convention. Read it asswipe, and tell me how even handed it is.

    http://www.heathermallick.ca/cbc.ca-columns/a-mighty-wind-blows-through-republican-convention.html

    Mallick’s filthy and utterly vulgar commentary would become a standard for the type of disgusting assault that Palin has had to put up with, FROM BEING NAMED VP CANDIDATE to present day. This was written long before Palin was interviewed or researched. And again you’ve shown us your pathetic ignorance that has it’s genesis in consuming too many Obama dingle berries on your extended tuchus dives.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Him n’ Pelosi do the Momba well together me thinks. What a pair of eye’d queens.

  • IndianaDem

    After months of vicious, carefully orchestrated attacks on the person of Barack Obama, republicans are complaining? They set the negative tone early on and never let up.

    I still think if they’d devoted half the time to real issues that they spent on character attacks, they might have gained some traction. But they didn’t try to sell any clearly defined alternatives. Their whole pitch was that the other was poison.

    So far they don’t seem to have learned a thing from the experience. I still don’t know exactly what they’re pushing. Other than notions that sound good, but don’t seem to work as advertised in actual application.

    I would like nothing better than a real and worthy alternative. I’ve voted republican before, but back then there was something to vote for.

  • gonzotx

    d Palin after Hillary’s nomination was stolen. I thought she had true grit. I was massively disappointed she quit on the people of Alaska. There is nothing she is doing today she couldn’t do as Gov. She only had a year and a half to go. She had groups raising $ for her legal defense from all the frivolous suites. I really don’t get it.

    Just goes to show you what true grit is…Hill and Bill. No comparison

  • Onofre’s arm

    Are you actually trying to compare the normal political jousting that was gently tossed at the weeble kneed, spineless Obama, with the type of malicious attacks typically characterised by the Mallick outrage that were constantly hurled at Palin? You’re a sick, twisted little shit if you can’t recognize or admit the difference.

  • Peggy Sue

    Before you start attack mode on Republicans, Indiana Dem, I would suggest you look in the mirror.

    Oops! You see your reflection? Just like the Republicans you’re so quick to criticize.

    Something to vote for? And your pushing the Dem message. Exactly what would that be? A rudderless ship, a healthcare “reform” bill that favors the insurance and Pharma companies, a quasi-middle of the road, maybe decision on Afghanistan that will put our troops [Americans, you remember] at risk? Or perhaps, you’d like to celebrate the economy delivered by Bernake, Summers and Geithner, who, of course, have the American middle-class interest at heart.

    Exactly, what are the Dems offering? Higher taxes [always so popular]. More stimulus [though the first one did not work]. Or a jobless recovery? That’s a true winner.

    Sure. Keep beating the drum. But don’t be surprised if the Amereican public doesn’t hear it.

    Look in the mirror. Republicans, Democrats.

    They all look the same!

  • Onofre’s arm

    One more thing dipshit, read the article that I linked to and provide for all of us an equally foul article about Obama and HIS family. You won’t be able to, because NOBODY would risk their careers by so venomously trashing a half black man, who attended a racist church for 20 years, hung out with domestic terrorists and marxists, spent two years in a drug induced haze, and has otherwise lied and exagerated about his entire life. Find me a mainstream article like that that was written before the election.

  • IndianaDem

    I confess I didn’t actually know what “the Mallick outrage” referred to until I clicked on your link.

    Mallick is apparently the sort of commentator who has little or nothing to offer in the way of useful commentary. Maybe I underestimate the significance of such people because I tend to ignore them entirely. I figure they’re a total waste of my time.

  • IndianaDem

    I agree that they do look far too much alike in far too many ways.

    Both parties are preoccupied with hauling in campaign funds and posturing, always with the next set of elections in mind.

    Both parties are beholden to special interests.

    Neither has thusfar shown any meaningful commitment regarding fiscal responsibility.

    Each assumes that they’re the only real alternative to the other, and that nothing will ever change that convenient arrangement.

    That all said, I approve of the general change of direction. I’m happier having the democrats in charge at the moment than the republicans, whom I thought to be totally off course and showing no signs whatsoever of becoming more moderate. It presently seems to me that the democrats are far more likely to return to the middle ground than the republicans, who seem to have lost sight of America as a collective and cooperative endeavor.

  • Jeremiah God Damn Barack AmeriKKKa

    Did Dede Scuzziwuzzi ghost write this article?

    Sloppy, misinformed and so ignorant and slanted on the actual facts on the ground that its not worth breaking down.

    Suffice it to say that a republican with positions to the LEFT of the democrat in the race in a republican district is no republican.

    The fact that it mistakes twelve dirty old men hand picking the candidate as a dutiful party stalwart who was abused by those rabid conservatives…shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this situation.

    Seriously, NoQuarter, is this the level of quality you have fallen to since last year?

    You guys outsourcing from the NYT unemployed delusional journalist pool?

  • Jeremiah God Damn Barack AmeriKKKa

    Obama would have beaten a true conservative by far more than he beat McCain. His election was the result of a cominbation of celebrity worship and a complete rejection of what the conservative movement did to this county.

    No.

    The only reason McCain pulled in any states was Palin. Without her he wouldnt have even won his home state.

    A conservative candidate will beat obama and the tax and spend liberal loonatics in control right now.

  • mountainaires

    Thanks for such delightfully entertaining and enlightening political commentary. I thoroughly enjoyed every word.

  • ImaLindatoo

    Exactly. The only thing they have is her prolife stand, but they better tread carefully, because there are many prolife Dem’s and still, she never legislated her beliefs.

  • don tufts

    your wrong ,for as much as i like john personally he didn’t fight,he wanted to make it honorable when in reality what should have happened was a down in the gutter knife fight.they had the ammo they wouldn’t use it for fear of being called a racist.baloney a marxist is a marxist ,not qualified is not qualified and a slick carny barker is a slick carney barker.no john tried to be politically correct and see where it has gotton the country.

  • Ladydawnelle

    his comments on Palin were FOOLISH and quite ignorant of what’s really happening! But those that spend most of their time flappin their yaps usually don’t have time to pay attention to what’s really going on! jmo.

    Oh the GLORY of it. LOL

  • politicsisdirty

    The conservatives should demand that the GOP start house cleaning or they will start their own REAL CONSERVATIVE PARTY. They can’t have a lot of Liberal lite pseudo conservatives who are really minions of Obama.

  • Docelder

    First off McCain is a RINO. Enough said, this has been tried and it didn’t work. Palin wasn’t enough to make up for it. Then McCain abandoned her rather than to permanently harm his RINO status. In the election, McCain wanted to spare the country the racial divide we had and still have growing. The way to do that would have been to win and then be fair handed to everybody across the board. McCain was helpless to prevent a racial divide because of course it never was coming from the right. It started and continues from Obama’s cronies. The left sees it as some kind of a secret weapon. I think it will backfire as most people are already sick and tired of it being used as a crutch handed Obama by his cronies. Either the can can lead or not, either he can stand on his own two feet or not. End of story. He won and this is his chance. He does not look like George Washington, and he has an ethnic name. We all knew that already. Skin tone isn’t in question and it’s not going to make or break him. What he can do or what he can’t do will. It is looking more and more like “Yes We Can’t” rather than the other way around.

  • John Smith

    Why was this crap even BUMPED UP on this site. I would have thought that this thing would have been removed. I stopped coming to No Quarter. I only glance over here once in a while. The posts have gotten less insight full over the months and now we get something like this. I guess this article is only up because Larry goes on this traitors show. Anybody who is for big government and more spending is betraying this country.

    If we don’t get our act together soon and I mean very soon. There will be hell to pay. We have to cut government expenditures and get our debt under control.

    Did anybody know that on average the 12 Trillion debt we have matures in only 48 months. Did people like Dede and her supporters ever think what will happen once interest rates hit 10 to 20 percent and they will if we keep printing money. How will the government cope with a 2 trillion interest payment?

    So I hope this guy will not post on this site ever again.

  • BARB

    “Republican” candidate Dede Scozzafava:

    *pro-abortion

    *pro-same-sex marriage

    * Supports card-check.

    * Voted for $180 million NY state bailout

    * May or may not support cap-and-trade.

    * May or may not later change her party registration in 2010 to run as an Independent.

    * Supports Obama’s failed “stimulus,” which was opposed by 100% of US House Republicans.

    * ACORN supports her.
    * The Daily Kos supports her.
    * The AFL-CIO supports her.
    * The SEIU supports her.
    * Planned Parenthood supports her.
    * NARAL supports her.

    She should have changed her party affiliation to the Democratic Party.

  • Docelder

    Anybody notice that district drawn out? Gerrymandered districts are a large cause of all of this. Seriously, there ought to be legislation that voting districts need to be a geographic shape such as a square, rectangle etc. else follow existing county lines or school district lines. This redrawing of districts is an attempt to take the voice away of the people using “democracy” as a weapon. Rig the voter counts by creative drawing and you take away peoples voices. The result of this is representatives that flat out don’t care what voters want at all. We aren’t a democracy, we are a republic for this very reason. The will of the majority should not impede on the rights of the minority. Right now they do.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Mallick’s article was a blueprint for many other articles that were to follow, she set the tone that would become very familiar. And contrary to botfly’s stupid assertion that Palin wasn’t attacked until much was known about her, the attacks were IMMEDIATE when her popularity and her remarkable poise presented a terrible threat to the left. From celebrities to journalists, the attacks were needlessly vulgar. Pinheads like Letterman continue the assault to this day. You can’t read Mallick’s trash without hearing the echoes of countless similar commentaries bouncing around off the political canyon walls.

    And the most disgusting aspect of the whole shameful denigration campaign, is the fact that if Palin were a man, an extremely popular male governor from the state of Alaska, 99% of the sickening personal attacks would never have happened. And when ignorant turds like Prime Obot continue to repeat the filthy party litany on Palin, they only reveal themselves to be malicious hard-core misogynists.

  • Sassy

    One report stated that the Albany Assembly is one of the most dysfunctional in the country.
    The segment that chose this candidate seems to have proved that observation.
    Good grief, a true republican should have swept this area, and yet she was staggering along in third place!
    We may be seeing a refreshing emergence of
    new ideas and strategies in the republican party, and if they retain their fiscal and social values, I can see independents and moderates joining.

  • graywolf

    This is what Batchelor and the MSM/demcong call a “moderate.”
    As opposed to the hard left anti-America socialism of the rest of the demcong party, or the spineless inside-the-beltway Republicans who base their actions on the next (hoped for)invite to a Democrat cocktail party.
    Hoffman is different because he has actually done something.
    He has not spent his life as a self-centered corrupt politician or as a self-important media scumbag.

  • hc123

    Gerrymandering is required by law in any state subject to the Voting Rights Act. Go to a redistricting down South if you really want to see it in action.

    Yes, I know NY is not such a state.

    Just saying, the practice will never go away.

    But I agree completely – how about squares?

  • hc123

    Speaking of, has anyone seen the ballot for this race?

    http://www.newzjunky.com/2009ballot.htm

    This thing is crazy.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    I agree with all of your posts on this.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Friends, I think they are called TARPS.

  • ImaLindatoo

    Sarah posted a comment about voting today.

    It’s Imperative That We Exercise Our Right To Vote

    Today at 9:34am
    “…the right which woman needed above every other, the one indeed which would secure to her all the others, was the right of suffrage.”

    Susan B. Anthony used those words to describe the cause she spent her life fighting for: the right of an American woman to cast a ballot for the candidate of her choice. Because of Susan B. Anthony’s tireless efforts and the courage and dedication of countless others, millions of American women will head to the polls today to exercise their right to vote.

    When we consider the sacrifices made to give us this right, there is simply no excuse not to vote.

    Today, the eyes of the nation are drawn in particular to the three big elections occurring on the east coast. New Jersey and Virginia will be electing new governors, and the 23rd Congressional District of New York will be sending a new representative to Washington D.C. The choices are clear in all three races.

    In New York’s 23rd Congressional District race, Doug Hoffman represents the return of the ordinary citizen-politician who is dedicated to bringing fiscal sanity back to Washington, D.C. Doug’s message of cutting spending, lowering taxes, and ending the outrageous growth in the size and scope of the federal government has resonated throughout his district and the country. Voting for Doug Hoffman will send an important message to the powers that be: no more politics as usual.

    The governor’s race in New Jersey is a referendum on the failed fiscal policies of the state’s current governor. New Jersey suffers under the highest tax burden in the nation – a burden which has caused many New Jerseyans to leave their home state for better economic prospects elsewhere. Chris Christie is dedicated to ending the reckless spending, the tax hikes, and the corruption that has plagued New Jersey for far too long. A vote for Chris Christie as the next governor of New Jersey will help to lead this great state – “The Crossroads of the Revolution” – back to prosperity.

    In Virginia, Bob McDonnell’s commitment to lower taxes and fiscal responsibility make him the common sense choice in the governor’s race. If Bob’s honorable military service and track record as Virginia’s Attorney General are any indications of how he will handle the governorship, then it is safe to say that Virginians have an easy choice to make today.

    Candidates like Doug Hoffman, Chris Christie, and Bob McDonnell represent common sense answers to the troubling economic questions facing our nation. They are a vote for fiscal sanity and for leaving our children an American future as bright and as promising as the one our parents left for us.

    Please take time today to exercise the right that so many people fought to secure for us. In considering these east coast races, it occurred to me that Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and so many of the women who fought to give future generations the right to vote hailed from these states.

    Vote today in honor of our past and with hope for our future.

    - Sarah Palin

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    We have plenty of street gangs in every state of the US. If they ever find a way to hire them, legitimize them and give them free reign, we’re toast. Why do you think gun sales are up 40%? I’m thinking about it myself; joining “Babes with Bullets” and getting myself trained.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Tammy, never underestimate the old spamalator…it happens.

  • http://firefox Martha Washington Collier

    Beautiful. Thanks.

    Notice the complete sentences and coherent thought, Bots. Amazing, right? Hahahahahaha. Sarah will have the last laugh no matter what happens today.

  • Andy

    I agree with Tammy

    I also think this is an exciting race and am betting on Hoffman pulling an upset. I am also a conservative democrat but I vote for whom I like, not party line. I really think political parties are so 20th century and should be on the way out soon, if not now.

  • carros

    Ferd,

    Although I disagree with the more liberal social viewpoints, I also think that the government has no right to get involved in these types of PERSONAL decisions. I see it as a way for them to try to further control the people. Unfortunately, people get divided on these issues instead of the truly important ones. If you start this “realist” party, let me know and I will sign up!

  • jangles

    With what this country put Palin through in 2008, I hope she spends the rest of her life making big bucks.

  • jangles

    I have a new electric can opener and it is more complicated than you could ever dream. Is that why I can’t tell what the difference is between the right wing and the left wing and they both just seem nuts to me?

  • Ferd Berfle

    It presently seems to me that the democrats are far more likely to return to the middle ground than the republicans, who seem to have lost sight of America as a collective and cooperative endeavor.

    With advisors who look to Mao for guidance? Many of his advisors adhere to the philosophy of Marx, as well. All your comment demonstrates is that you’re off your trolley, obamabot.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think a main point is being missed here. We need to define what the middle IS. The middle NOW, does not resemble in any way what the middle was 40 years ago. For decades, the “middle” has been drifting leftward, along with the entire political spectrum, until this last election when it took a quantum leap to the far left as it was dragged along with Obama’s Marxist army. With this dramatic shift however, the political paradigm has not been adequately adjusted. Today’s progressive liberal is yesterday’s radical Marxist. Today’s centrist, is yesterday’s liberal, and yesterday’s Goldwater conservative, is today’s loony right wing fringe.

    So when the Obamunists implore right wingers to move to the middle, they’re really asking them to jettison traditional conservative principles, and adopt a statist approach.

    When good compromises with evil, evil gains and good is damaged. When the right compromises with the left, the right loses and the left wins. And yes, I DO equate the left with evil and the right with good. If I didn’t, I would obviously have to withdraw from the debate, as I would lack a solid personal position from which to procede.

  • Animal Control

    Another one bites the dust!

  • IndianaDem

    Basically, I see the republican message to mainstream America as fundamentally disingenuous. Their practices simply don’t match their rhetoric.

    Their selective tax cuts and methodical deregulation have resulted in the great bulk of the nation’s wealth having concentrated in the hands of a very few. What are the figures now? 5% holding 95%? The bottom 60% holding less than 1/2%? And the struggling middle class pretty much left holding an empty bag…

    Yet any direct, honest talk of bumping up taxes on the wealthiest by a few percentage points to help pay for reasonable and beneficial social policy is immediately painted as Marxist?

    Any regulatory intervention in corporate and financial systems clearly set up to further enrich the wealthiest without regard for the general economic consequences to the nation as a whole represents a socialist power grab?

    How could anyone who’s been paying close attention since the Reagan years not be skeptical of the rhetoric from the right? Their past real world practices are a big part of what has brought us to the place we find ourselves.

    The way I see it, the middle ground is about course corrections. The middle ground discussion isn’t about whether things should have changed or not, but to what degree. If the republicans don’t want democrats running the show, they should wake up to that fact and begin participating in the real discussion. Reasonable people would listen to them again.

  • Tammy

    The nastiness was printed by Bachelor, and you ate it up because it fit your agenda, you mindless one.

    But the GOP is not dead. They kicked ASS tonight and people like me, who pay attention and go to “tea parties” are not amused.

    Lorac, you are a whiner and think you
    “own” the internet and have control over opposition. You’ve told others that I am abrasive. Who the fuck are YOU?
    The thought police? Oh, I forget, you probably love Obama….nuf said……
    That wasn’t a personal attack, it was an attact on facts.
    Grow a spine, and fight for this country, not your “”mature” views(which sound like you are some high schooler).

  • Tammy

    Hilarious!!! Where was that poll taken, the Democratic Underground?
    The Repubs kicked ASS in two BLUE states tonight, and it won’t stop until you Marxists are kicked out of office.
    You losers are being exposed, and it won’t stop here.
    Bill Clinton and Hillary were great leaders, and you morons picked a guy who wants to destroy America.
    You don’t think people are paying attention? You are an IDIOT!

  • Tammy

    Oh, and you, Ledon, the leader of nothing, should not make assumptions about someone who said nothing of Cheney.

    Hey, I’m sure you’re wearing that button that says, “TAX PEOPLE WHO WORK AND GIMME SOME OF THEIR MONEY”

    I’m not a fan of those who aren’t in office, but apparently idiots like you hang on to them and blame them for everything that your “Obamessiah” does.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Thanks MWC, I sometimes wonder if my posts go mostly unnoticed. Coincidently, my very first post EVER on the internet was in response to the rage that I felt when I read Heather Mallicks despicable attack against Palin and her All-American, endearingly flawed, but beautiful family. Up until that point, I had NEVER written anything more than required schoolwork, personal letters, and extremely esoteric and dessicated research papers. Obviously, the Mallick attack had such a profound affect on me that I had to end my silence and protest in the best way available to me, with a computer portal to the world. It’s nice to know that my small but passionate voice is sometimes heard.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Onofre’s arm, they most certianly are not.

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