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I am 53 years old. I can remember the Goldwater/Johnson campaign. I was only 8 but that is my first political memory. I do not recall an instance in the last 44 years in which the presumptive candidate of either party completed the primary campaign and headed to the nominating convention having the kinds of trouble Barack Obama is now experiencing. These problems include:

Anemic fundraising (the trend for him over the last three months is down).

Dramatic reversals on at least four policy positions before the convention.

No significant bump in the poll. In fact, Barack’s negatives are growing and he is in a virtual tie with John McCain.

Is this unprecedented? I think so but I am not sure.

Under normal circumstances the Democrat should be looking at a slam dunk blow out over McCain aka McCranky. The Republicans have raped the economy, our military, and the Constitution. There is little enthusiasm for trusting them to do the right thing.

We have not been shy about documenting Barack’s flip floppery and stumbles. Most of the media studiously ignores the Obama buffoonery but, average Americans are starting to question Barack’s character (or lack thereof).

McCain comes with his own baggage and political back flips. He spent most of his political career as a maverick who worked easily with liberal Democrats (e.g., McCain/Feingold) and was a pioneer in decrying special interests and lobbyists while quietly taking their money. You could make the case that Barack is trying to imitate McCain on this front.

McCain’s primary season flip flops have him doing a mad dash to align himself with George Bush and conservative principles. He’ll get hammered on these as the fall campaign heats up. Unfortunately for the Democrats, Barack’s own flip flops have caused a political version of erectile dysfunction. If Barack had held the line on public financing of elections, Iraq, FISA, NAFTA, gun control, or abortion (just to mention a few issues) he would have had the high ground in blasting McCain as the flip flopper. Of course he would have been attacked as a leftist but also would have earned respect for sticking with his principles.

America is hungry for leadership that will speak hard truths and avoid pandering. So this is my question–is Barack Obama the biggest political panderer in recent electoral history? Let’s have facts, not opinion on this.

  • roseeriter

    I’m 56 and this is the most bizarre primary I can recall. Maybe the length as it started so early, but with the great line up in the beginning to have come down to Obama and McCain confuses the heck out of reason.

    • roseeriter

      Maybe we really are seeing the end of Democracy.
      The reality is the corporations are in control. Money is the leader of our elected ones and with the dumbing down of the people by the media, drugs-legal and illegal, alcohol (notice the ads for liquor are back on TV. When the hell did that law change?) People are not being listened to and most people don’t blog or research the candidates anymore. It’s American Idol, 15 minutes of fame and demean anyone who speaks the truth (Like Hillary).
      I barely recognize America.

      Bush and Cheney should have been impeached for murder of thousands of innocent people, the rule of law seems to be selective and the constitution? Seems it has little bearing unless guns are involved or threatened.

      • Patti

        Maybe you are right about everything you just said. I love ancient history and the one thing notice time and time again: the Peops never really know during their time that they are props in a scheme. Just like us.

        PUMA and
        I can believe “this undefined “change” to come has already actually happened.

        Has Bob Dylan left the building?

      • ame

        I agree with you 100%. The fact that Bush wasn’t impeach gives way to rewrite history and create a biography of a person that is innovative; a person who thinks outside the box.

        In reference to Democracy; I’m an independent after 30 year of being a Democrat. Both parties look alike to me with a few exceptions when it comes to issues. Both parties talk about populism but neither party really practices it.

    • Dawnelle

      Hey Larrrrrrrrrrry!

      Considering the people he hangs with (not opinion)

      His flip flops are the least of MY PROBLEMS WITH BARRY!

      How anyone is still a nominee after admitting he only quit his church when he was FORCED TO because of how BAD it LOOKED!

      lmao, now THAT I do NOT ever remember!

      flip flopping and pandering were the things I thought were “required” to be a POL (that and LOVING yourself entirely too much) heh

      (ok so there is always opinion with me and it does my heart well to know you are older than me, heehaha!) ;-)

    • nancysabet

      I have been a democrat for 36 years, I have never remember any candidate so divisive, so incompetent, so phoney, so arragont and ignorant at the same time who has changed his position from the primary so fast and so dramatic. Kerry had only one flip flop (I was against the war before I was for it) and he got screwed even though 5 million more dems voted for him more than any other election.

      • Dawnelle

        Surfboarding Kerry didn’t have 90 percent of the Blacks to carrying him over the finish line

        NOW he does with his MUSE BHO

    • http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia Spiegel

      PLEASE, Delegates, show some courage and vote for Hillary Clinton instead. It’s our only hope.

  • Un coup de des

    Yes, he is. How else does one explain the gratuitous Wilco comment? How else does one explain the ridiculous focus on his I-Pod? He will do and say anything to become President.

    • missE

      “I’m just messing with you, man.”

      New Obama campaign slogan.

  • Deke

    Larry good points. If Obama was a clreditable candidate given the unpopularity of the Bush administration and their policies he should have 20% point lead in the polls both Kerry and Dukakis had double digit leads at this time. McCain is not that well liked within the rank and file Republican party but at this point he is still holding on to their support. On the other hand there is a great deal of controversy within the Democratic party for the pending nomination of Obama. On top of that the retribution by the Obama candidates on democrats who didn’t support Obama or failed to do so early will further divide the party. As the Bush administration brought the democrats together the Obama candidacy will divide the party. Larry again thanks for suppling the outlet for all of us long time democrats to vent our frustrations.

    • meileen

      And come November, the morons that selected Obama will be blaming the Clintons for his loss.

      We could have had it all this year. They blew it big time.

    • s. hall

      deke — Obama is only getting 54% of Democrats supporting him therefore, he has decided to make a play for Independents and Republicans as a Hail Mary pass. This is unprecedented. A candidate must stand for something until at least he becomes President then he can flip flop as he moves to the center. Obama however, shows a desperate aggression to nab the top job no matter what he has to say or do to get it. What worries people about Obama is that no one knows where he really stands on anything. Whatever, McCain’s faults he has spent 20 years in the Senate and we know him.

      • C.S.

        Barack Obama believes his own PR; therefore, he sees no need to explain himself or dignify criticism. He is the epitome of the “royal We” and his complaining subjects do not amuse him.

        • llilytoo

          To Barry if something is deemed good for him , then it’s good. So what’s the problem? He did something good…right?

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        I’m starting to sense that’s exactly the case. I wondered about FISA. It’s so unnecessary…unless you’re going after Republican votes. Ditto for his odd abortion stance. Ditto on faith-based initiatives.

        I believe Obama may know that he’s NOT moving the numbers in PA and Ohio and indicators are: He won’t.

        He’s got to find votes someplace else.

        I suspect he’s peaked with Latinos right now, and that’s not pushing him over the top in the key swing Western states. He needs to appeal to those more conservative voters in NM and CO.

        He’s presuming that the Democrats will have nowhere to go but to him.

  • ssmith

    larry:

    great post, the dems really have no clue the level of discontent there is in the country.

    They seem to think dems will vote for ANY dem over a repubs. Unfortunately for the dems, or rather the dem. elite, they want someone who has no experience, terrorist ties, racist ties, antisematic ties, and no moral fortitude to stand and fight for any principle, if the fraud even has any to being with.

    They have made a HUGE miscalculation, I am a left of center liberal, but some of my friends are HUGE HUGE liberals, even they are now no longer supporting the fraud after they voted for him in the primaries.
    One of my friends was frankly turned off the 75K coronation, he said it was too “Hilter-esque”, he will no longer be supporting that fraud.

    they are picking the one dem. I will not be able to vote for, and the repubs have picked the 1 repub I will be able to vote for.

    WHEN the fraud loses in Nov., if indeed he is the official nominee in August, the “democratic” party be be torn apart.. and guess who will be holding the reins? Hillary.

    This is the most disgusting spectacle I have seen, even my overseas friends are laughing at americans…

    they said, george bush has set the bar so low, they did not think americans could go lower, and then they saw the fraud, and said, yep, you have lowered the bar even more now.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      My party has given me the “Where Else You Gonna Go?” candidate. And I resent and resist this.

      • OBSP

        Girl, I even thinking of voting for Cynthia McKinney, now you know it’s bad! She’s crazier than me!

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          LOL!

        • ea

          Cynthia McKinney is not crazy.

          • http://Dinocrat Dinocrat

            Isn’t she the lady who attacked a police officer who didn’t recognize her? Sounds pretty crazy to me.

            • Zee

              Bob Barr, who is also running, attacked many guards and no one said PEEP about it.

              It’s not a story unless it has a crazy woman with a new hairstyle to laugh at.

          • JM

            Cynthia McKinney is the “angry” black candidate.

        • yttik

          Ah, I may be forced to support the “Queen of the Unhinged” myself, LOL.

          I don’t think she’s crazy, but considering I’m supposed to be a shrill, bitter, dead ender, I guess I should vote for a good queen to lead me.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            I like her platform for the most part. However, unless McCain turns the Latinos around to him, I’m in a Blue State. It won’t matter. I could even write in Hillary and have a feel-good moment!

          • OBSP

            Trust me, I’ve meet her and her Dad, she’s Nuts! And, I hate to say that about another sister.

            • JozefAL

              At least, Cynthia’s CONSISTENT (unlike a certain “brutha” running for the office).

              • nancysabet

                I like Cynthia, she is honest.

            • Patti

              We already know that too, very pushy, don’t you think?

              • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

                Is she an uppity woman?

            • missE

              HA! We could vote for McKinney to get back at Obama et al and use James Brown’s, The Payback in an ad for her.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KejyQKYY2cM

              I don’t know karate but I do know a crazy.

            • Diana

              Quotes~

              Appearing in print just months after the September 11 attacks, McKinney’s charges couldn’t be excused. Nor could her list of campaign donors, which included both terrorist sympathizers like Abdurahman Alamoudi, the former executive director of the American Muslim Council, and apparent actual terrorists like former college professor Sami Al-Arian. Nor could her October 12, 2001, letter to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, in which she rebuked New York mayor Rudy Giuliani for returning the prince’s post-9/11 “gift” of $10 million and urged bin Talal to donate the funds to “charities outside the mayor’s control,”

              Her bent for conspiracy theories and racebaiting had never cost her politically. When she said in 1996 that “we need to get the government out of the drug business,” she was not talking about a possible prescription drug benefit. Whether it was the time she told USA Today that “My impression of modern-day black Republicans is they have to pass a litmus test in which all black blood is extracted,” or the time she accused Al Gore of having a low “Negro tolerance level,” she emerged unscathed from the ensuing kerfuffles. Facing a tough race in 1996, McKinney said Georgia Republicans like her opponent John Mitnick were “neo-Confederates” remaindered from “Civil War days.” Amazingly, McKinney ignored the fact that Mitnick was Jewish.

              Her father did not. Over and over again, Billy McKinney called Mitnick a “racist Jew.”

              http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/079tehyf.asp?pg=2

              I found pages and pages of these kind of things from both Republican and Democrat sites last night. Some a lot worse. One of the reasons I don’t want Obama is because of his ties. Because he used the race card against Hillary. I wouldn’t vote for her either. What’s wrong with men like Larry Elder, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby these are good men that care about their communities. That tell them to rise above the expectations. Stereotypes.

          • Patti

            I guess you are not going to get over it either? Wright On!

      • Mandelay

        Well said! You are so right.

      • Ani

        Agreed. I will not be bullied into supporting this unqualified, dissembling, flip-flopping sexist because “I have no alternative” — if the DNC chooses go throw with their foolishness and actually nominate this man at the Convcention, they will find out what choices I have come November.

        • C.S.

          Having no alternative is the antithesis of a Democracy.

          A large number of voting citizens seem to be saying that we are no longer a viable Democratic/Republic. Considering that political parties have no Constitutional standing the question must be asked: Why do We the People allow these two parties, and only these two parties, to have the power to control the presidential elections when they are not a legal part of the Constitutional election process and the main reason why we have no alternatives?

          That’s why Florida and Michigan had their votes taken away when other states did not. That’s why votes for other candidate were given to Barack Obama in clear violation of the Democratic party’s “rules” and the legislation of the states of Florida and Michigan. Article II, Section 1

          Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

          Nowhere in the Constitution do the words “political parties”, “Republican party, or “Democratic party” appear. The power they have is the power Congress and We allow them to have over our elections process. You can stop Obama by taking back the Democratic party’s usurped authority to make him a presidential nominee. Government by threats and fear (riots if Obama is not the presidential nominee) is NOT a Democracy anywhere in the world and we should never forget that.

      • Bigtime

        Well put and exactly right.

    • s. hall

      ssmith — and when was the last time the Democratic Party told its voters to GET OVER IT? The reason they want their base gone is because we question their motives in nominating this fraud. They cannot force their UNITY on me.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Facts, huh. I followed Gore’s campaign. He did not flip-flop, but we knew him well and knew his positions. Kerry spun a lot and failed to materialize as a leader.

    I don’t know that America is hungry for hard truths. The Obama people loved was the one who said nothing much at all except “Yes We Can!”

    Now that he’s actually defining himself and his positions, his popularity is dropping. Pelosi is very unpopular, too. They are going down together in ratings. Obama fell for the first time below McCain in favorability ratings.

    Yes, he’s the worst I’ve seen, but he’s the only one I’ve seen with no record or experience nationally.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Kerry’s presentation skills turned America off. He came off as a true snob and whenever he spoke, he made no impact. This was odd because he was very good in debates. But in real life, he was a bust. He never considered who the majority of his audience was. Another Faculty Lounger.

      I held my nose when I voted for him.

      • bambi’s brother

        he picked Barack for the key note speech, and shut Hillary out of the convention, then he went on to back Barack, with Ted and Tom, three out of touch guys or three guys who saw their own stars falling if the nomination went to Hillary.

        Kerry let his boring wife hog convention speech time, with an ‘i love myself’ speech and even let his wife’s son give a long I love my mom introduction that was beyond awful. But, no place for Hillary.

        Our party insiders do not care about us, and HIllary actually does. She has a long record of using her positions and influence to help one person at a time, but they guys are after power, personal variety, and use it to keep themselves in their day jobs, or to foist their own beliefs on the rest of us.

        But, Kerry was a war hero, at least, and Gore had been a working vice president, Barack has no credentials, and he’s moving so far to the right with that faith based merde, his off the cuff remarks are nearly always awful. They gave us someone they thought could beat Hillary, not someone who was ready to lead our nation in these troubled times.

      • Patti

        I actually thought it was his nostrils – like he couldn’t breath through his nose or something. Like get some fresh air. I still have my Gore cookie.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Clinton sure had his down moments with the stories of infidelity during his campaign. So in that respect, they are actually similar.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      My portfolio misses Bill Clinton.

      • s. hall

        uppity — My portfolio misses Clinton too. The country was in great shape and we believed we could accomplish anything. Whatever next, no nominee at all — just a computer generated image which will spout everything the polls say the American people will buy. Nothing would surprise me anymore. They are braindead in Washington.

        • C.S.

          President Clinton, sandwiched between Reagan and Bush, Jr., kept the depression we’ve just slid into at bay for more years than I though his administration could. Clinton inherited the mess of the Savings and Loan rollover from Reagan that cost U. S. taxpayers millions and managed to not only keep us floating but actually fixed a lot of leaks that gave us the best prosperity we’d seen in a long time.

          Now, with 8 years of Bush, we have another monetary crisis (Indy rollover) where the Feds have to do another taxpayer bailout and who’s gonna fix it? Should Obama actually win in the fall; the “financial wizard” who “borrowed” money from convicted crook Rezko to buy a 6+ million dollar mansion he couldn’t afford with the same kind of subprime mortgage that got us in this mess, that’s who.

          • CJ

            I heard today that the prime minister of Iraq was walking the streets of Baghdad handing out large sums of cash! Perhaps he should be invited to the U.S. to hand out cash to our citizens who actually paid for this stupid war. It would sure beat my $600 stimulus check and would be doing more for us than our lousy government. Surely Obama has “friends” who could arrange this…maybe Auschi!

        • DeniseB

          It’s going to miss him more shortly.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          The economy is in yet another bush shambles and we put up a candidate who can’t even make up his mind what he thinks about anything. Wonderful. Makes me feel really secure.

      • derridog

        Boy. Mine too!

    • Michelle

      But all of those moments happened BEFORE he won the nomination (mostly before NH) and not after. In fact, his decision to pick Gore and the convention were SO successful that he shot up in the polls and stayed up for rest of the election.

    • Patti

      I met that man – up front face-to-face and sorry…I once overheard my perfect mother and her girlfriends talking over coffee like: Shucks, I’d let him park his shoes under my bed any day of the week. Ladies, swooning. They all got together to watch Peyton Place.

      Hmmmm, the day I met Bill in my face, I went boing!

      Hillary has a dynamite husband and they make a great Couple! Can’t wait for President Clinton to come back out raring that handsome face and subtle cologne with words that have substance and sense. Shucks. Resist President Clinton! Your silence speaks volumes and we hear you loud and clear.

      • Lucinda

        There is nothing like seeing Bill Clinton in person. I have no shame in admitting that it was one of the great thrills of my life. Barack Obama doesn’t even come close in my book.

        • Dawnelle

          I missed seeing Bill. My daughter got to and said he DEFINITELY was charismatic! “oozes it” were her words!

          I got to see “HILLARY” EVEN BETTER!!

          I wish it had been as close as my daughter. (she’s good) But the crowd was the really FUN and EXCITING part! They were radiating!

          I don’t know WHAT they are talking about Obama being a big deal? blah!

          This crowd was equal to any rock concert I’ve attended in my life and I used to go to them ALL when ever they were near Tampa in the 70′s and 80′s.

          Totally comparable (but no drugs) just crazy excited people acting like it! LOL

        • trixta

          Yes, and when he passed through California this primary season, I got 3 autographs out of him–at one event!

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        That’s partially due to the nature of Arkansas, my home state. When I lived there, the governor really answered your questions, talked to people, and wasn’t aloof. Hillary came from Chicago, so it took her a term before she figured out how personal we were in that state. Bill, for example, called my mother personally when my Dad died. That’s just how it’s done there if you know someone.

        He combined that personal with national perspective….and that’s a winning way with people.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com uppitywoman08

    I have never seen anything like this and I am no kid. Obama is the most unstable candidate I have seen my party put forth…although I would say that George Bush is a nearly-close second as a candidate. Their presentation of themselves is so very similar. Refusal to be vetted. A media creation of Image. Pandering for votes. Dispatching the sycophants to quell and threaten opposition. Snickering. Pretending to Unite while Dividing. Inserting religion into state (this one REALLY surprised me).

    It’s almost uncanny.

    • hank48188

      The DEMS did the same thing in 1976 when they picked the totally unknown Jimmy Carter. Of course he was backed by the same ultra-rich Internationalists that are backing Obama, if you see Ziggy Brzezinski you know the deal. Carter did have some experience from the Military and running a State but he was in over his head as the DECIDER. When you have the MSM on your side, and the big money people, anybody can be promoted to President likes Carter was, or maybe Obama. Carter was the pick in a year the DEMS couldn’t miss, it was right after Watergate, yet his huge lead was gone by election day, he won but it was very close. With Obama now tied with McCain in the polls you can see that Obama won’t make it, he can only go down from here.

      • JozefAL

        Go read up on the 1976 Democratic primary campaign before making such blanket accusations. Carter came in SECOND–behind “Uncommitted”–in the Iowa caucuses and then won in New Hampshire. He beat Wallace in North Carolina (which largely knocked off Carter’s main “Southern opposition”), then beat Mo Udall in Wisconsin in a come-from-behind win (which knocked out Udall) and Scoop Jackson in Pennsylvania (knocking Jackson out).
        Only THEN did more liberal Democrats come up with the ABC (Anybody But Carter) plan but, by the time Frank Church and Jerry Brown seriously got in the running, it was MAY. Church and Brown did well, but of the 18 primary contests held in May and June, Carter won 10 (7 with more than 50%), Udall won 4 (only 2 of those with more than 50%), and Brown won only 3 (only 2 of those with more than 50%). (That remaining primary was West Virginia, which was won by native son Robert Byrd and George Wallace was the only other candidate to win votes there.)

        • Dawnelle

          Dude, Old Man Byrd ran for Prezeldent with HIS history???

          I learn some new piece of history trivia every day! (here)

        • C.S.

          You also have to take into account that since the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963, most of our popular, charismatic leaders died prematurely and suddenly so there wasn’t much opposition to Jimmy Carter’s candiancy in 1977.

          Robert F. Kennedy – 1968.

          Very good chance that he would have left office in 1976.

          Martin Luther King -1968

          Many believed he could become the first black president. If Robert Kennedy had lived to become president, civil rights issues would still have been a major goal for RFK giving King, or one of his followers, a good chance at the presidency.

          Jerry L. Litton – 1976

          Two term Congressman just elected to the Senate when he died in plane crash on route to his victory celebration. Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill believed the 35 year old Litton would be president someday. If you read about all he accomplished in his 35 years it makes 49 year old Obama look like a dillettante.

          We’ve had 42 different presidents (Grover Cleveland did not serve consecutive terms and is sometimes listed twice) and we all know they were not all good leaders. The prosperity of our country is tied to the proficiency of our leaders. That point has been proven by the juxtaposition of Bill Clinton’s record and George W. Bush’s record. Unfortunately, we won’t be getting the best person for the job this term either.

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Barack Obama is no RFK or MLK.

        • Walter Mitty

          Hank needs to get his head out of his ass,

          So he can read 32 year-old news-clippings.

          Have never understood the Carter-bashing on this site, either.

          If you want your candidate to walk on water, and be totally pure, maybe you should wait for the Second Coming.

          And zbig was just being a total foreign policy realist, in his time with Carter.

          And the Russian Army got tied up and fucked up big-time in Afghan-land, during his tenure.

          The Russians had been engaging in proxy colonial wars against us for 10 years after Vietnam.

          Zbig saw an opening, and stuck an ice pick in the Bear’s ear big-time.

          And I loved it.

          Guess Carter and Zbig should have waxed all philosophical,humanitarian, and futuristic about all this.

          Wasn’t the way the world worked then.

          Nostradamus’ phone line is busy right now.

          Why don’t you try to reach the Delphic Oracle instead.

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Too bad now we are still stuck with the Taliban and trying to get rid of them ourselves. So much for zbig’s brains. We ought to send his ass over there and make him fix it.

            zbig is a jihad lover so let’s not romanticize him. He thought little ole jihad people were just pissants. He should have been sitting in the WTC on 911.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Carter left our economy in a shambles too.

        • derridog

          Carter really had nothing to do with OPEC deciding to form a cabal to raise international prices of oil. C. tried to deal with this by instituting conservation measures and support of alternative energy that, had we listened to him and not elected a slew of irresponsible Republicans, would have put us in much much better shape today, when faced with the same kinds of problems.

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Carter’s entire chastising attitude in his Mr. Roger’s sweater went a long way to depress the entire American electorate. He’s a great humanitarian and a really nice man. As a president……

        • avwrobel

          Sorry Uppity Woman. I’m a fan, but our views diverge here. Jimmy Carter’s well thought out energy policy would have made our country MUCH stronger from an energy independence stance (not to mention global warming). Why the Repubs are so in the tank for big oil is worth a good book, but they didn’t have to be.

        • Diana

          Carter did a number on my cruising ability. Here I was with my new license and no gas. ;) So what did I do? I went and joined the Army a year later and he also became my Commander in Chief. Cater was/is and always has been a great humanitarian. I love him for that. I’m just not sure he should have been a president.

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            Dang I must have channeled you!

            That’s ok avwrobel, I love you anyway.

    • Patti

      I wish he would share his valiums.

    • Patti

      It “appears to be uncanny, I think.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Hey Patti who the hell are you, the goddamned English monitor? There is nothing wrong with my sentence. Do you have any samples of your writing or do you just spend your time as an armchair analyst? Do you have a site where I can go look at how great you are, so that I might “learn”?

        • Patti

          Wow. I wasn’t correcting you.

          I am not petty person. ________________________________________________
          Comment by Patti | 2008-07-13 14:03:19

          Maybe you are right about everything you just said. I love ancient history and the one thing notice time and time again: the Peops never really know during their time that they are props in a scheme. Just like us.

          PUMA and
          I can believe “this undefined “change” to come has already actually happened.

          Has Bob Dylan left the building?
          ________________________________________________
          Comment by Patti | 2008-07-13 14:28:25

          It “appears” to be uncanny, I think.
          ________________________________________________

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        It “appears to be uncanny, I think.

        Normally, we use two quotation marks.

        • Patti

          Thanks for the correction. In fact, I do not see where my original comment states it is meant to be a correction, at all.

          I get it.

    • derridog

      It’s not uncanny. They are brought to us by the same people -the ones who gave us GW Bush, stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, put Arnold Schwarzenegger in in California after forcing out the Democratic governor in a special election and who’ve been getting the MSM to spin for their chosen candidates since at least the Reagan administration.

      We have to fight back. Right now both parties have sold out, but we can punish the Democratic Party by not letting them get away with shoving an unqualified, arrogant, corrupt Chicago pol down our throats. As Nancy Reagn used to say, “Just Say No!”

      BTW, I’ve been a Democrat all my 64 years. But I will vote for McCain rather than Obama.

    • LB

      uppitywoman08 — you just put your finger on it in answer to Larry’s question: “unstable”. Barack Obama is THE most “unstable” candidate I’ve observed in my 40 years of being a Democrat. And I don’t mean that as mentally unstable or anything nasty like that. I mean it as “unstable” or “unsteady” in functioning as a candidate. We don’t have a clue to what the man really stands for. He changes positions with breathtaking ease.

      And you’re also right IMHO that he’s similar to GWBush in that regard and in campaign tactics.

      Thinking of the other “presumed” nominees of the Party: in 1968, after LBJ bailed, I believe Humphrey was pretty much “presumed” and he was steady enough. In 1972, George McGovern had his unsteady moments (the Eagleton mess e.g.) but stayed true to his positions along the way. In 1976, after Carter wrapped up the nomination, he was quite steady and had no problem holding to his positions. In 1980, Carter was the incumbent and presumed to win and did, despite the Ted Kennedy betrayal. In 1984, Mondale was steady, weak but steady. In 1988, Dukakis was often a mess after wrapping up the nom, but his messes were mainly PR related. In 1992, Bill Clinton was simply brilliant after the early convention that year. And of course, he was incumbent in 1996. In 2000, Gore’s issues were image-related and definitely not policy flips. Same for Kerry in 2004.

      So, my answer to Larry from my recall is that there has never been a candidate who has wrapped up the nomination/won at convention who has exhibited this level of unsteadiness. And it may get a lot worse before convention even, with my sense being that he will next break with the national teachers unions as a part of moving rightward, with that perhaps followed by a nuanced flip on Iraq (after Petraeus softens him up during their likely meeting there).

      Not to go on, but should we have expected anything different from an empty suit (and a corrupt one in my view), or better yet — an empty vessel into which the bots could pour all their hopes and dreams only to watch it turned upside down as he got closer to his personal career goal?

  • don draper

    I don’t think America has ever been, or ever will be “hungry for hard truths.” Please. But Americans expect their president to stand for something, to have some kind of identity. Barry is a miserable failure in that department.

    • Patti

      But we have to live in “reality”. Don’t you watch TV? I am L M A O …this is Distraction in Prime Time in this “house” … I mean like the bots are on E! Friends is passe, you know. I am looking for a reality-deal show. Anybody have the courage to go to South Chicago for a couple of weeks. Lights. Cameras. Huge big trucks filled with goodies…

    • mahaska

      The only thing bo stands for is to urinate

      • Jillie

        LOL

  • OBSP

    Larry, I am also 53 and my first memory of poltics is the Kennedy/Nixon campaign. I remember how excited my parents were to vote for John Kennedy. I also remember all of us had a Kennedy button. This think campaign will go down is history as one that had a media darling/creation during the primary season. One that had the media out to get the best qualified (I must send you some of the responses I got from the media). And, one that had the party leadership clearly having chosen the nominee in January.
    Even though President Clinton was not speaking of Barry’s campaign when he said it was a fairy tale, it was. This man is a media creation. One that a popular talk show host came on TV and told a large audiance to put their support behind him. One where a political insider said that his legs tingled(or whatever) and one that was cleary racist. Had this been a white man (John Thune), he would have been laughed off the stage. I say John Thune, because they were swore in on the same date. But, Sen Thune had more Creds, he defected the majority leader of the Senate.
    Since we are a nation under God, only God can help us! Lord Please Help Us!

    • stateofdisbelief

      OBSP:

      Just one correction – the DNC selected this candidate AT LEAST as early as January 2007 (not 2008) when they adjusted the convention from July to August to coincide with MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech anniversary.

      My message to the DNC, Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, et al – DO NOT INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF PUMAs. We’re on to you and we will not be made fools of. You cannot foist this candidate upon an unwilling electorate by virture of smoke and mirrors. The folly of your plan is becoming more evident each and every day.

      Hillary – do not give up on us. We are the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. We need you to right the wrongs of the past 8 years.

    • Patti

      Larry, I too, am 53…until the last day of summer.

  • Lou

    I have never seen an election where they pick a nominee before the convention especially with a race this close. Barry will be a president for the black man and everyone else gets to wander aimlessly.

    • Steven Mather

      What do you mean by “a president for the black man?”

      Numerous PUMA blogs cite concerns within the African-American community about Obama’s lack of attention to issues facing African-Americans. The people cited do not see Obama as being “for them.”

      Are you referring to Obama’s efforts to increase electoral participation by African-Americans?

      • s. hall

        steven — Obama is using the AA’s to win in Southern States. What Jesse Jackson and AA Ministers all over the country know is that Obama will destroy the Civil Rights movement. He has other ideas like Black Liberation Theology. There is a proported to be another video out there in which Obama in front of a white audiences makes crude jokes about AA’s. Between Obama’s blacky tape and Michelle’s whitey tape it should be an interesting fall. Kind of tells you they hate us all.

      • Lou

        Funny you should ask Steven. I’m referring to bamboozling the group who worships Hobama the most. Young Black men. We all know Hobama is an on-the-job non-performer and in Hobamas own words, is sure to let them down. As we have seen, their let-down gets explained away even by themselves.

    • Ellen D

      CNN is reporting a black cable network that will only cover one convention – Obama’s. CNN seems surprised by that – this from a network running The Daughters of Legacy (apparently only black celeb fathers have a legacy) and the upcoming CNN series “Black in America”.
      As a Canadian dual, I am stunned by the vastly disproportionate black news and presenters commenting on Obama’s Presidential Campaign. Not having grown up here – what effect do you think this is having on non-black American viewers? Will this affect the vote and which way? Or is this considered a racist question?

      • Ferdverfle

        To answer your question: Have you ever heard of WET (White Entertainment Network)? Didn’t think so since that would be racist and the howl would be deafening. BET is fine, however, since there’s no racism *there*. Everything is being divided more and more finely. Next we’kk have a slightly off-white entertainment network (SOW).

      • Patti

        Colorless no longer counts for anything in our America, the Beautiful. Nowhere from sea to shining sea. Non essential. Just go to work and shut the F* up, C*.

    • Patti

      Back in the day I was being taught the story: The Red Coats are coming! The Red Coats are coming! (Boston, 17th c) and just about that time while we were pulling curtains, closing doors and crouching under our desk all in surprise alarming moment: The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! Then it was like: The Beatles are coming! I love you, yeah, yeah, yeah, Holy Shit Batman, the Empire State is being blown up. The Terrorists came and they went…now, the Bow Ties are coming!

      I am feeling nostalgic for that alarm. Noon O’Clock every single Wednesday, a signal to remind you to be cognizant of your surroundings. It was cool and very beat to have lived in black and white.

      • Patti

        All I can say and truly hope in the heart of my heart is that none of my beloved friends regardless of their own personal manner of coming to Be, feel differently about me than I always believed. Me, too.

        I didn’t have a ‘hand’ in my exisence. I guess I won the lottery that day. Boat-load of sperm, I imagine…I could have been my brother – but with my dumb luck of the draw. It ended up being me.

        The issue is not about race or color in any way shape or form. Americans have long been over that bullshit. C’mon. Its about a faction trying to brainwash people into believing (quite subtley)that they and they alone are Entitled to something. Its about who shot John.

        I guess I should write an autbio: The Day that Creep Obama busted into my Life. I was a commuity organizer, after all.

      • Lou

        Kids today don’t know that many of us had “fire drill” that evacuated us to fall out shelters or made us practice diving under our desks and holding our heads when we were in school..during the communist terror of the 50′s. If they had experienced that they would not vote for Obama. He is in bed with terrorists and this is a very real problem.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Noon O’Clock

        …and you spend your time correcting everybody else’s grammar?

        • Patti

          ?

          yea, now I really get it.

          “spend your time correcting everybody else’s grammar”?

          What? Is that a true statement? Really?

  • Joe Smith

    I’ve never seen any other politician who so easily throws friends/family and promoted policies alike under the bus – whenever political expediency requires.

    BO’s positions are like shifting sand – I have no idea where Barack Obama stands on anything.

    • bambi’s brother

      no one does, we all wonder how far pug he’ll lean, how many directions, how many opportunities he’ll give away. Where he stands, he doesn’t even know. The wall street crew would take him because they figure, whatever he wants to do, he won’t accomplish much.

      Now it seems the pugs will get us out of Iraq starting in September. If it isn’t exiting Iraq, what will be the point of Barack? We don’t even know which justices he’d choose, with his wacky death penalty comments and his reproductive rights wiffle.

      There is time for us to tell us, but who wants to bet he’ll duck debates with John until after Denver, when it’ll really be too late, and he really will be the only game in town, except for John McCain.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Yes, but I thought Bush was clever in building up some troops in Iraq in anticipation of a Dem turnover, which would allow them to meet their promise and yet not gut Iraq.

        I think if Hillary had been the nominee, he’d have left it there. Obama scares the real military a lot. I think Bush took the plan into his own hands to make sure Obama gets the shaft on Iraq with McCain.

        I’m sure the military prefers McCain.

      • imustprotest

        Hillary challenged Obie about this in a debate. She commented how hard it was to debate him because of his limited record and present votes, he never took a stand on any issue.

  • bambi’s brother

    a mess is an opportunity, there is so much desire for reforms, for ‘change,’ that having a clear platform and saying what you mean this time is a plus. Hillary wasn’t cautious. and she gained momentum. Barack ended up explaining too much of who he really is, what he really meant, and now it’s the left’s fault for not having listened to his change message carefully enough.

    I’m sure if John is elected there will still be a hunger for reform, for honesty and for clear plans and solutions, but perhaps not as strong as it is today. Our party let us down, Howard and Donna decided for us we don’t need change as much as we need hacks keeping their day jobs.

    This one is different because of Hillary – we’ve never had such a qualified candidate who was clear and could stand up and not let smears take her off her message of cleaning government, updating our agencies, having a sane foreign policy, taking experts and professionals over hacks. It wasn’t a personality contest for her backers, it was about competence and accountability, clarity and experience, the learning from experience kind.

    Our party need better leaders, like the entire world – where are the good leaders, or better, why do the hacks have the power to defeat them.

    • Patti

      bambi, you are so civil. I appreciate that so much.

  • Stephanie

    Should that be electile dysfunction?

    • ebonyscrews

      lol…I noticed that, too. Still giggling. Larry Love, you are the man.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Hey ebony! Where ya been!!!!?????

  • PKJayne

    Never in my adult life have I despised a Dem candidate so much I will vote for a Republican President.

    • Patti

      I second that emotion. Good night, all. Thanks for being here. It really helps. PUMA and as soon as possible. Hava Great Week, Warriors!

      You make feel as though we can really win and its all worth it! Smooches.

  • Lou

    I have never witnessed such incompetence in the media such as this election. Why are they not talking about all of Obama’s issues? Why are they not addressing the fact that Obama killed a GLBT hate crimes bill. Do the names Donald Yound come to mind?

    • Chicago Joe

      I find it shocking that no one picked up the Boston Globe story last week or so. The one about the three year old riding his trike and crushed by a rusty gate in some housing project overseen by the son of Obama law partner Davis (son is Cullen Davis). These firms rake in millions to “manage” low-income properties yet they let them go to hell.
      This is not a tenuous association. This is a close association, and the MSM ignored.

      • candymarl

        I agree. I read that story. No one, not black leaders, not even the black community seemed upset by it at all.

        That breaks my heart. This person received millions to improve that property. A child is dead as a result of his negligence.

        What do we hear from Jackson, Sharpton, the CBC, and Obama? Nothing.

        • Northwest rain

          Jackson, Sharpton– Obama — are NOT poor.

          The little boy who died lived in that slum lord’s building because he was poor.

          White folk are also poor, as are many races.

          It is classism — the rich making money off of poor folk.

          Obama doesn’t give a damned about the poor — or even the middle class — to him the poor are powerless and he has gotten rich of the poor.

          Obama lives in a mansion – poor folk live in rat and insect infested slums. Obama got his mansion with the help of a slum lord.

  • JudyA.

    I haven’t seen anything like it either. It’s the media that is letting him get away with it. All I heard was Kerry was a flip flopper and he even was the first that I can remember to use the phrase “i was for it before i was against it”. The media hammered Kerry & Dukakis. And they were both ahead at this time. Slobama is getting a free ride with the media, and his numbers are going down!

    The worst flip flop was Al Gore saying he’d make sure all the votes were counted.

    I was always a democrat until now, but I really think this is their revenge for 2000. I think they saw what the neo-cons did to overthrow the election and people’s voting rights, and said “hmmm…we can do that!!”

    We ususally don’t realize how bad they are really flip flopping until after they won office. Cases in point:
    -Read My Lips…no new taxes-
    -Peskoli saying she will get rid of Bush if elected…and pushing out Murtha – who is very respected. I hate Peskoli for that. She didn’t want anyone to stand in the way of the first woman speaker of the house, but she will gladly stand in the way of letting a woman be elected to the office of the president. I’m sorry I don’t have facts, just memories.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Give the swiftboats a chance. Olbermann will be having a stroke.

    • Kevin

      What has driven me to become anti-obama is not a feeling of sore loser or a “he dissed Hillary” feeling, but one of looking very carefully at what Obama is.
      A do anything to win office product of Chicago machine politics.
      A “community organizer” who steered his benefactors to profit from the very communities he was alleged to be helping.
      A state senator who did what it takes to win.
      A state senator who voted present on important issues.
      A senator without a significant portfolio running for the office that requires at least a modicum of experience and judgement.

      I was never a Hillary Clinton democrat, I was a democrat who became concerned about the usurping of the correct process, who became outraged by the machinations of the powers within the party.

      I turned from the party I had always voted for to support the only alternative left.

  • AA4HILL

    Could 2008 Be a McCain Landslide?

    The Anti-Obama Vote

    The Republican anti-Obama vote, I believe, will hinge on two issues, namely, the Supreme Court and our war against IslamoFascism. Forward thinking Republican voters will vote for treading water with McCain for 4 years over letting the whole American ship go down to defeat.
    Disillusionment among loyal Democrats has already begun and is mounting rapidly. In the wake of Hillary Clinton’s concession, a great many disgruntled Democrats started a grassroots groundswell under one banner group, PUMA, which stands for: Party Unity My A**. There are already more than 200 separate groups that are uniting under the PUMA banner, with only one thing in common. They vow that, no matter what, they will not support Barack Obama. There is already “Democrats for McCain” gear and all the hoopla that goes with it.
    Add to these renegade groups the fact that Obama currently has a web mutiny on his hands, occurring on his very own networking site. The largest of these mutinous web supporter groups only formed the last week of June and already has more than 22,800 members. This particular group, “Please vote NO on Telecom Immunity – Get FISA right,” formed over the latest Obama flip-flop, reneging on his October FISA promise to “support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.” Obama voted for the FISA bill, with immunity still in it.
    As I’ve said already, trust is a fragile commodity. Once a person loses it, disillusioned followers can get mighty angry and even vindictive. With 113 days to go, and this many folks already vowing that the Obama they see now is “not the Obama they knew,” with some even demanding returns on their campaign contributions, the emotional winds that have carried Barack this far may turn on him.
    And I’m predicting that they will. By November 4th, we could even see hurricane-force passions blowing against Obama and at McCain’s waiting back.
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    • PKJayne

      Add to these renegade groups the fact that Obama currently has a web mutiny on his hands, occurring on his very own networking site.

      You have to love it.

      • anonymous

        We need the get the mutineers to come to this blog.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Oh really PK? Can I have some links? I love to play the world’s smallest violin for these suckers.

    • Michelle

      And don’t forget that it is unlikely that the GOP will take any seats (House or Senate) in the Congress and this means that if they want ANY power whatsoever in WDC, they are going to put everything they have got into keeping the White House – even if that means having McCain.

    • s. hall

      AAforHill–Great Post. I agree with your senario. Once you lose the people’s trust its over. We can tread water with McCain because we know him.

      I will not be force to unify behind a candidate who has no core principles. This lifelong Democrat will vote for McCain.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        I look at McCain and I see a guy practically in a coma. But I know who he is, he doesn’t lie about who he is, he doesn’t lie about what he thinks. He doesn’t make fun of the American People. He doesn’t hang out with domestic terrorist sociopaths I remember well. He doesn’t hang out with middle eastern criminals of dubious intent. And most of all, He doesn’t obsess over his iPOD in the face of real problems in our country.

  • Lou

    I have never witnessed a primary where the presumptive nominee has terrorists for friends and is being supported by wall street banks that stand to get convictions when more banks fail unless they get Obama for president and own him.

    I have never witnessed a primary where the candidate Obama talks down to the American people and insults them evey minute of everyday but he is still the presumptive nominee.

    • hank48188

      You must be one of those American’s Obama finds embarrassing, you can only speak English, can’t speak Spanish or French. What will they think of us in Europe if you visit there and can only speak english?

      • bonnie

        They will think of you as “fine” as this European from UK who moved here 12years ago if Hobama is on the ticket I will work my skinny white butt off for McCain in the fall..
        and I am sure many in Europe will thank you kindly for opposing the Hobama~~

  • http://thevote.abc13.com tomabrahams

    read more about the birth certificate issue here:

    http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/born-and-raised.html

    • Lou

      There are suspicions he was born in Vancouver Canada as per the putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

  • Perry Logan

    There’s also the fact that he’s a completely illegitimate candidate.

    And the thuglike behavior of his fans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ro3TATqG8

  • http://charlottefrontandcenter.com PITA

    Pandering to women….Obama during a Thursday fundraiser talking about glass ceilings, equal pay and child care. All this from a man who used subtle sexist gestures to mock Hillary during her campaign.
    If you want to talk about parts of the anatomy that JJ wanted to remove, well, he has them. Hillary was on stage with him.
    How can this creep who has benefited from the sexist system and used it to get where he is in this campaign manage this with a straight face?

  • BytheBeardofZeus

    Larry,
    In all of History I do not see a candidate who was a ZERO like BHO.

    1828 won Andrew Jackson John C. Calhoun[1]
    1832 won Martin Van Buren
    1836 won Martin Van Buren Richard Mentor Johnson
    1840 lost
    1844 won James K. Polk George M. Dallas
    1848 lost Lewis Cass William O. Butler
    1852 won Franklin Pierce William R. King[2]
    1856 won James Buchanan John C. Breckinridge
    1860 lost Stephen A. Douglas (Northern) Herschel Vespasian Johnson
    lost John C. Breckinridge (Southern) Joseph Lane
    1864 lost George B. McClellan George H. Pendleton
    1868 lost Horatio Seymour Francis Preston Blair, Jr.
    1872 lost Horace Greeley[3] Benjamin Gratz Brown
    1876 lost[4] Samuel J. Tilden Thomas A. Hendricks
    1880 lost Winfield Scott Hancock William H. English
    1884 won Grover Cleveland Thomas A. Hendricks[2]
    1888 lost[4] Allen G. Thurman
    1892 won Adlai E. Stevenson I
    1896 lost William Jennings Bryan Arthur Sewall
    1900 lost Adlai E. Stevenson I
    1904 lost Alton B. Parker Henry G. Davis
    1908 lost William Jennings Bryan John W. Kern
    1912 won Woodrow Wilson Thomas R. Marshall
    1916 won
    1920 lost James M. Cox Franklin D. Roosevelt
    1924 lost John W. Davis Charles W. Bryan
    1928 lost Al Smith Joseph Taylor Robinson
    1932 won Franklin D. Roosevelt[2] John Nance Garner
    1936 won
    1940 won Henry A. Wallace
    1944 won Harry S. Truman
    1948 won Harry S. Truman Alben W. Barkley
    1952 lost Adlai Stevenson John Sparkman
    1956 lost Estes Kefauver
    1960 won John F. Kennedy[5] Lyndon Johnson
    1964 won Lyndon Johnson Hubert Humphrey
    1968 lost Hubert Humphrey Edmund Muskie
    1972 lost George McGovern Sargent Shriver[6]
    1976 won Jimmy Carter Walter Mondale
    1980 lost
    1984 lost Walter Mondale Geraldine A. Ferraro
    1988 lost Michael Dukakis Lloyd Bentsen
    1992 won Bill Clinton Al Gore
    1996 won
    2000 lost[4] Al Gore Joe Lieberman
    2004 lost John Kerry John Edwards

    • Michelle

      You are RIGHT – we have NEVER had such a “ZERO” – in terms of experience, knowledge, and ideology.

      The only person who even comes close – was William J. Bryan who LOST 3 TIMES!

      • The Farm

        and what was the greatest attribute that WIlliam Jennings bryan was known for? Oratory. WJB also did not have a razor thin resume either but had been accomplished in law and politics. That was a different time when a Dem could be both far left and a creationist.

        • s. hall

          The Farm — it was also a different time because they didn’t have a media who pushed one candidate 24/7.

      • Grail Guardian

        And Bryan was another Illinois bloviating racist, just like Obama.

      • mahaska

        Was axelrod his manager too?

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          Hey those I Want You To Believe, We Are The Ones We’ve Been Waiting For and Just Words speeches still have some miles left in them!

          • imustprotest

            Oh gawd you’re right. Oblahblah is being puffed up so much pretty soon he might start quoting his own speeches and then we’d have to listen to his…words, just words in the recycled edition.

          • mr. natural

            Now you know what he’s really got playing on that iPod.

            Himself.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    One fact is that I’ve never seen the party so divided before. It’s unprecedented to see so many Democrats openly say that they are planning to vote Republican.

    That is a fact. The lowest figure I’ve seen is 17%, and it could be higher in my opinion.

    Another fact is that I have not seen Georgia be this close to Democrat in years, so the AA factor is real. However, I don’t think it will bear fruit by the Fall.

    One fact is that the absence of hard news and the reliance upon opinion makers has turned the politics into a game, with more emphasis on armchair strategy speculations than on real news. It’s led to a daily dose of insane misinterpretation. (My opinion? McCain is handling it right. He’s not scolding. He just says he’s ignoring it.)

    • s. hall

      anninca in 1968 the party was divided in this same way. After Bobby died the youth went for Gene McCarthy. Older people voted for Humphrey who became the nominee and we got Richard Nixon.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        There you go. I missed that one. But I keep thinking a lot of what we are seeing is unprecedented to my age group because it was such a close race. I’m 56, so I haven’t really seen such a tight race.

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        I believe the Democrats were divided before Bobby came into the race because of VietNam. LBJ stepped down in an attempt to unify the party and that’s when Bobby saw his chance. I was a grass roots youth campaigner (they called it “The Children’s Cruade”) for the first time for Gene McCarthy and bolted for Bobby because we knew for sure he could win. We had no disrespect for Gene McCarthy. Although some McCarthy people were bitter at the split, I don’t recall any of the vile attacks we have seen in this primary. It was just that we knew Bobby had the steam behind him to take it all the way and we all wanted to end the war. When the anti-war demonstrators and Yippy radicals in the party came up against the Daley machine in Chicago protecting the old guard, it was fractured for good and in many directions. Broken hearted over MLK and RFK’s killings and furious over the censorship and thug tactics at the convention, there was no going back for most of us.

        We didn’t really come together again until Bill Clinton. Oh, after Nixon, we felt guilty and gave half hearted support to the McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis campaigns and even managed to get Carter in but the enthusiasm didn’t really come back until the Clintons. Bill, by the way didn’t try to become JFK but presented himself as the manifestation of the idealism and political involvement inspired by JFK. We completely related to him because of that. We knew there could never be another Kennedy of the caliber of John or Bobby or another Martin. They were unique and knew who they were. Unlike the present day politicians who seem to assume a popular image of the past to substitute for their own paying of dues and development of real abilities and character.

        The campaign today is totally off-the-wall bizzaro crazy. The heirs of Richard Daley have hooked onto a politician who has developed nothing close to the abilities needed to be President…not to mention the albatross he drags with him aka: his wife. As stated by many, the pairing of the Daley machine with left wing extremists is so strange that the only thing I can think of is that they know he’s in their corporate pocket. And what lengths they’ve gone to in order to convince a hungry Democratic party otherwise. I guess they thought that the hatred of Bush was so high that they could chance their stealth candidate under the guise of “fulfilling the dream”. Opportunists of the first degree. Surely though he will be exposed for what he is: just another corporate shill in the class warfare that has been going on with globalization (and didn’t that look good on paper?) at its core. They’ve even dressed him up as nouveau riche giving them a new house a big income and new wardrobes…so he can be just like them.
        Along with the rest of Democrats who can think for themselves (well, I’m now an Independent), I can not only bear McCain for four years but will be willing to see if we can even influence some of the more extreme right wing policies now that the religious right seems a bit more marginalized. Perhaps that time has come to bring them more to the center. The old lefties of the Democratic party? I can barely recognize them. You see I’ve matured and know what real change is all about. I’m afraid for many of them the only thing that changed is the size of their bank accounts and a loss of their principles.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Excellent post…thanks.

  • CheatedFLVoter

    I am old enough to remember the shivers George McGovern sent up my spine, but this has to be the worst that I can remember. Obama would keep a team of analysts busy full time.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a primary where the presumed candidate stole the elections with hired serial voters and underage voters and throwing his rivals votes in the trash. I have never seen an election where the candidate who wins nearly every county in every state gets less delegates than the other candidate who wins only a couple/few counties.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a presumptive candidate be so confident they will win the primary and GE while the general public doesn’t know about his plans to steal another election.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Have you seen this yet?
    Obama Supporters on the Far Left Cry Foul
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13liberal.html

    PORTLAND, Ore. — In the breathless weeks before the Oregon presidential primary in May, Martha Shade did what thousands of other people here did: she registered as a Democrat so she could vote for Senator Barack Obama.

    Now, however, after critics have accused Mr. Obama of shifting positions on issues like the war in Iraq, the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants, gun control and the death penalty — all in what some view as a shameless play to a general election audience — Ms. Shade said she planned to switch back to the Green Party.

    “I’m disgusted with him,” said Ms. Shade, an artist. “I can’t even listen to him anymore. He had such an opportunity, but all this ‘audacity of hope’ stuff, it’s blah, blah, blah. For all the independents he’s going to gain, he’s going to lose a lot of progressives.”

    There is more…read it there..seems he is losing more and more support…Honestly I am enjoying it…the dems are getting what they deserve..selecting the nominee…

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      Shockingly, that story actually appeared in the Charleston, SC paper. They have been VERY kind to Obama here (and were brutal to Clinton), hence the shock.

      Larry, I’m 50, and have been a Dem all my life. Never, ever have I seen the Dem. Party work to hard to prop up one candidate at the expense of the people’s actual votes. I have NEVER seen them try to keep a candidate, never mind one who had gotten the most votes in a primary EVER, off the ballot. My 78 yr old mom says the same thing – she has never, ever seen such a poorly qualified, inexperienced candidate picked out and shoved down people’s throats. And she is furious that he is being compared to JFK, as am I, not to mention MLK. What has he EVER done that would even put him in the same freakin’ 75,000 seat stadium to be compared to JFK?? Nothing – absolutely nothing.

      The short answer? The fix is clearly in. Clinton was heads and shoulders above ANY of her competition, much less the Jr. Sen. from IL who only had to beat Alan Keyes (whom my coffee table could have beaten in an election)…

      • For Impartial Journalism

        LOL – Alan Keyes. On Fox News the other night at the Brit Hume roundtable, Charles Krauthammer called Keyes: “the candidate from the Twilight Zone”. I can laugh about this as I remember not voting for him when he ran in Maryland.

        Now, Michael Steele – I voted for him. I wish McCain would consider him for VP.

      • For Impartial Journalism

        Oops – meant to add that I’m 46 and the first campaign I really remember was Nixon v. Humphrey. My Dad and I sat up all night with an electoral map and keyed in the states as the polls came in.

        Now my Dad never voted for a Democrat for President but before he died he told me the closest he ever came was Lyndon Johnson in 1964. That was because he thought Goldwater was too far right.

        Have to laugh because Goldwater would be considered closer to McCain in his beliefs now.

        That explains why I am a centrist Republican wondering where my party went in the 15 years while I was caring for my elderly parents and not paying very much attention to “the real world”.

        • trixta

          Imagine our shock as Democrats–our Party went up in smoke in a matter of months!

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      God, 30year, that one kid in the photo looks 12 years old for Chrissakes. A bunch of kids leaching off their parents and pretending to be “upscale” are going to tell us who is going to be president. Yeah. Right.

  • pew

    I just started to read some of these Blogs since Clinton has been brutally put out of the race. If someone could start up a blog in this site, It may get the attention, of many investors,that read this board frequently. The markets will be the first people go,and it may get more attention of the Puma Movement.

    http://www.investorvillage.com/blogs.asp

    • Lou

      Sorry to pop your bubble but these investors are the ones propping up Obamas empty suit in order to escape prosectuion for tanking the economy and the common citizens ability to have food, gas and a home, but grabbing billions for themselves.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        He top ten contributors are wall street.

  • Michelle

    The only time you saw this kind of a thing was in the Republican 1976 contest – between Ford and Reagan.

    Interestingly, Reagan was close on Ford’s heels in the delegate race and then he was convinced by his consultants to reveal the person who would be his VP choice – thinking it might help him bring more moderate to liberal Republican delegates into his corner, which then would allow him to oust Ford at the convention.

    Reagan chose PA Senator Richard Schweiker – who was seriously disliked by his BASE of conservatives. These conservatives then defected because they thought he wasn’t being “true” to his message and Ford won the nomination on the first ballot.

    Does this have any possible similarity to today and BO? Yes, I would argue that if Obama picks a moderate/conservative for ticket balance (i.e., Hagel), his liberal-blogosphere buddies are going to FREAK even more than they did after FISA. I also think that if he picked Hillary, his cult-followers might also desert him.

    In short, the person he should pick, if he wants to not fall further in the polls (because let’s face it, none of us PUMAs are EVER going to support him – no matter WHO his VP choice is!), is someone like Sens. Feingold or Leahy – die-hard liberals.

    This strategy btw is called according to John Harris “ticket reinforcement” and it is what Clinton did when he picked Gore – another young moderate Southerner – rather than going for “ticket balance.”

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I agree.

      • imustprotest

        I still think he may choose Bloomberg. I don’t think he will try to balance with north vs south demographics or military experience. With the economy in such shape and major banks folding and runs on banks ala the Great Depression, I think Bloomberg may give some comfort.

        • Patti

          No offense, please, but no shit? Seriously.

          Its all about the “economy” right now, stupid. (Not you).

          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CA-CHING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

          Money talks,and you know he rest.

          Perfect! Ingenius! Bloomberg to contibute 15 billion dollars to a stimulus package for all americans, out of hs own pocket. He da man.

          Bill, where are you? Bill, please come Home!

          PUMA

          • imustprotest

            I don’t mean that I think Bloomberg would be the best choice. I just think he might be the “ticket reinforcement” pick. Bloomberg is supposedly all about “unity” as in the Unity 08 party. He’s accumulated his own personal wealth, so he make some voters feel like he would have the answers for what ailes the economy. The news the last couple of days has been about bank failures and I don’t think it’s going to get much better over the next few weeks and months.

        • For Impartial Journalism

          I wish someone could explain to me the attractiveness of Bloomberg.

          First people touted him to run for the Presidency.

          Now his name is thrown around as a VP possibility for both parties.

          He has no interest to me at all. I realize he is a financial genius supposedly, but I see him as the same kind of corporatist that I think we are all trying to get away from.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          Three governors already told him to “unscreen” them. In other words, take a hike. They don’t want to run with him.

          I bet he picks a woman like that dingbat Claire. He thinks all women are truly stupid. That’s how I know he is truly stupid.

    • Dawnelle

      I agree with that except if he was being at ALL practical he’ be finding someone NOT in the Senate.

      We (or pardon me) THEY need to keep their slim margin in the Senate.

      I bet he picks (to be a mirror image of a spiteful GW) some OTHER female GOVERNOR to slap it in ALL of HILLARY supporters faces (including hers)

      • Patti

        Mama was from Kansas, Dorothy. Now that would be symbolic. Just like that Presidential Seal.

        The question, NQPUMAs, is who is most qualified to be our President in a time of national crisis.
        ~ and please, not Hillary in this particular case, I scoff.

        The chat and the talking heads want us to think the first priority in choosing a VP is according to the color of a state and whether it swings (oooh yea) or not. Election fraud is so rampant nowadays that past stats of who, what, where and why are moot and no longer matter. They will, however, serve MSNBC so the don’t have to go predator/prison 24/7. They have something to boast (earthshattering data) so they deserve their air time, no matter how irrelevant today.

        I don’t think so and that is another reason why we need to dethrone Pull-loosely as soon as possible. yuck. Perish the thought.

        Now if Icould only eat my waffle.

        Clinton/ Jindal 2008

  • Lou

    I have never seen a canditdate steal the election from a woman and then go on his stump speech and say he is glad there are cracks in the ceiling for his daughters and his daughters know they can be president too. I have seen that women cannot be president. They kicked her out and she is the best ever to lead.

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      Yes it makes me very sad to know that she could have and would have done so much for this country and now what do we have….it is just unbelievable what has happened..

    • Janis

      And his daughters are in single digits. So what — that means another fucking SIX DECADES to wait?! FUCK THAT NOISE.

    • mahaska

      We bumped out one of the women that helped crack that ceiling,

      • mahaska

        I meant he obvously

  • Seattle Moss

    Larry,
    I woke up this morning and read some of the posts by the Obamabots.
    It’s been awhile since I’ve read such vile filth.

    What it says to me is that they are desperate. They are lashing out in frustration
    And they know that they are going down and we’re happy to put them there.

    What goes around….Suckers!

  • Lou

    I have never seen an election where free speech is followed by death threats and stalking if there is dissent over the candidate trying to steal his way to the whitehouse.

    I have never seen an election where the stupid person gets to be the presumptive nominee even without the votes needed to win. We all know you stole the election Obama.

  • dpvegas

    Well, we’re about the same age and I’m trying to remember some of the past elections I’ve seen.

    Quite frankly, I’ve always been put off by the pandering that so many politicians seem to think they’re obligated to do. That being said, what I don’t remember is anyone doing such dramatic reversals in positions in so short a time, and by doing so, leaving no doubt that all he’s doing is brazenly pandering for certain voters. I have absolutely no clue as to motive here, but I suspect that they (whoever “they” are) think that this will work “enough” i.e. to a sufficient degree to be able to claim now that he’s winning “over” the voters he needs, and that we’ll all have forgotten his strange, rather psycho reversals later. And there may be a grain of truth to that.

    Historically, I don’t know. It probably has happened before, but I’d have to do some research and I don’t have all I need for that right now. Just offhand, though, I’d say that while I’m sure another candidate has done this, the reason I can’t remember any specifics is because they didn’t win. I’m not an historian, so I can’t remember all the losers from all the elections we’ve had in the short history of our country.

    • s. hall

      Isn’t there a Democratic Party Platform which Obama will have to sign onto? That ought to be a real doozy, to find out what the Democratic Party actually stands for now.

      • dpvegas

        You know, I hadn’t thought of that! Yep, I’d LOVE to see that one! Think someone will let a copy out for all to see? Oooh, I wanna know!

      • YouHadMeAtChange-Obamabot#399

        He should sign both the Democratic and Republican Platforms. He can fix it later.

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Donna Brazile will write it for him.

  • Diana

    I’ll be 47 in a couple months and I don’t remember any election like this one. As far as John; supposedly there is a group of Romney supporters harrassing the crap out of him and they didn’t even have the same problems as Hillary and Obama. John won it fair and square.

    That should have told John people not only like him, they like that he’s a Maverick. I think he should just be himself and take Hillary as his VP. Obama is going to take Hagel that’s why he’s moving so far toward the center. Hagel knew he had no chance of running with John, so he’s been brown nosing it with Obama. He is Republican. I think he’s the one that’s been feeding Obama on what to say and do.

    I could care less what radical Republicans think. John will still bring in the people that originally voted for him. Hillary can bring more votes with her than any of the other candidates John could choose. Both are true centrist. Obama and Hillary would not work the chemistry isn’t there. Hell the chemistry isn’t there with Hagel and Obama. It is with John and Hillary. That have it. They should bite it and run together. John will retire in 4 years and Hillary can take the reins.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      I do wish John would inject some energy in his campaign though.

      • Diana

        I do too Uppity. I really do. I’m seriously hoping after the conventions are over we’ll start seeing this. I’m also hoping whomever he chooses for his VP will light a fire under his “A”. I just don’t see much hope after all we’ve witnessed for Hillary at the convention, they’ve gone out of their way to violate the rules to force her out. I don’t see them turning that around at the convention. Either that or it will be set up to make her look like a fool which will irk me off.

        She loves this country so much…I can handle McCain for 4 years I know he also loves this country. Even if they have nothing else in common you can see that in both of them. I don’t hold out a lot of hope he would choose Hillary as his VP although I think it would be fantastic to see them both up there. Both pushed aside from the radicals in their party. Working for us, the people. Wouldn’t that be a refreshing change of pace? A real change.

    • trixta

      I’ve considered the possibility of a McCain/Hillary team vs. an Obama/Hegel team–wouldn’t that be something!

  • PuppyDogMom

    The party leaders should get off their butts and correct this horrible wrong instead of trying to justify it. They need to turn this back into an undecided race and take it to the convention. At the same time, the party elders would be wise to have a little chat with Obama and suggest that he might not be the best person to seek the nomination, and the super delegates should do the right thing.

    (Larry…wasn’t it Goldwater/Miller?)

    • PuppyDogMom

      Oh…you meant Goldwater v. Johnson. I was thinking the ticket…Goldwater/Miller. Duh!

  • Ginger

    The most references and use of the word – racist.
    The most divided party I have ever seen.
    The most mysogony.
    The most pandering, flipping, flopping, and general backtracking.
    The most insulting, low quality media coverage.
    Nasty remarks : 1 million
    Intelligent questions : 0
    Most times using the word um by a candidate people ‘claim’ to have the gift of words.
    Most days without one reporter asking an insightful, probing, relevant question : 687 days (we are still waiting for the first question to be asked.
    Most lies told : 136 Obama (a new record in a primary).
    And in all his flippity-floppityness, did he get any closer to ‘universal’ healthcare? No. Did he stand up for our rights on FISA? No. Did he make an unseemly grab at Presidential Power by screwing us and approving spying on us? Yes.

  • Lou

    I have never seen an election where the real winning Democrat gets kicked out and they pick an incompetent person who deosn’t speak for Americans and will lose the GE. I have never seen an election where a cake walk for Dems is turned into illegal shenanigans by the DNC.

    I have never seen an election where the enemy (terrorists) are donating to the presumtive, inept nominee and no one does anything about it.

    I have never seen an election where A running couple speaks such vile things to American people and don’t know it’s vile but they get the presumptive nomination by the DNC and not voters.

    • For Impartial Journalism

      That’s because every other election where neither candidate got the necessary pledged delegates went to ballot at the convention (or a compromise ticket was hammered out in a back room before or during the ballotting).

      Then someone came up with “super delegates”. Oh Joy!

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        Ironically, superdelegates were formed to make sure we never got another out of touch with the main nominee. It was to avoid another mcgovern embarrassment. If that’s not irony I don’t know what is.

  • Ani

    Yes, Larry. In answer to your question, this is the worst I’ve seen. There is no reason on earth why Senator Obama should not be enjoying a solid (not manufactured) 20 pt. lead over McCain in the polls.

    That he is in a dead heat with the severely damaged Republican ‘brand’ says it all.

    I will bet you that if Hillary Clinton were the nominee right now, she would be enjoying a huge lead in the polls, solidifying her base, and effectively reaching out to voters not currently a part of her coalition. You know, the way an effective politician is supposed to do.

    She would not need to flip flop on all her policies because they were sound to begin with.

    • trixta

      Absolutely! The election would also be sooo much more interesting. As it stands, the race thus far between BO and JM has been so boooring!

  • dnesser

    Yes, Obama is a political panderer but my biggest concern is a Lack of “Character”. He has NO CORE convictions. “Words are Cheap, Actions are what count.” The only actions in Obama’s past that stand out are his “133 Present Votes” in Illinois. His 2002 stand on the Iraq war is a “Fairy Tale”. His Speech had absolutely NO Accountability or influence on the direction of our country. If the voters look at the “Character” of the nominnee over the issues, Obama will never win. The “Flip Flopper” will not stick to McCain. McCain has a strong record of fighting for what he believes in. Does anyone know what Obama really stands for? All we have with Obama is WORDS and the words are changing.

    • OBSP

      Well Said! Has anyone heard the audio of the 2002 speech? I remember Jesse Jackson was involved and it was a rally he arranged!

      • dpvegas

        I didn’t know Jackson was there. Has he ever said anything about Barky’s speach? Or is he just covering for BO on it? I find it strange that there’s no real evidence, nothing concrete, nothing like even a mention in a local paper of this wonderful speech of his. Usually when someone uses a speech, especially as this dimwit has done, to run for office, they have some kind of proof they made the speech. Didn’t Barky even keep notes, or anything?

        • OBSP

          I remember the night, it was a big anti war rally. I was going to a fund raiser for my girl friend who is a public official, but could not get to it because of the marchers in the street. It was not distributed here, in fact I never heard it during his run for Senate. It was a rally organized by Jesse and he was one of many speakers. For the life of me, I can’t not find the speech. Their good, they have wipped out all reference to it.

          • dpvegas

            He started all this by using that speech! And now it’s wiped out? Guess it’s served its purpose.

            Thing is, usually when someone uses a speech like he’s done with his, they have some kind of real evidence that they made the speech. It’s just been another sticking point for me, because I took him at his word when he ran for Senate, but was rather surprised to find out that no one has any kind of real evidence of his speech, and especially the real content of same speech. Since he started this election using that speech as his single most qualification, his “hopey changey” platform, and all that nonsense, I was floored to find that no one seems to be able to find any reference to this at all.

            That’s the fairy tale part of it. Where is that speech? Saying you gave a speech is bogus, especially since it’s very clear that he was planning to run for something, even back in 2002.

  • cat

    Here’s some pandering for you, Larry:

    Barack Obama: Your Children Should Learn To Speak Spanish

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk

    • Tricia

      He does not speak Spanish nor does his wife or kids and I doubt he still speaks the language he learned in Indonesia.

    • Lou

      That idiot. We all learned spanish in high school but who remembers it? It was required in the past.
      He is such an idiot. We don’t need kids to learn it.

    • Michelle

      Yes, but the most amusing part of this was that in Rasmussen’s Saturday poll, they found that only 13% of Americans agreed with Obama on this statement.

      I’m not thinking that his position is not going over so well…13%!!

      • dpvegas

        Well, maybe that’s the 13% he was going for. Guess the site’s in for another scrubbing. That site must be sparkling clean, with all the scrubbing going on.

    • osbama

      The other language Obama had to learn quickly when he moved to Chicago is Ebonics.
      Listen to the uncle/Auschwitz remark he said, ” I had A uncle”

      • mahaska

        hey, don’t axe about his uncle

    • Janis

      I tend to think that everyone should learn a second language, and more if possible. But I also think that these sorts of things are a lot easier if you attend a magnet or Montessori school. What the fuck kind of schools and school budgets does he think most American kids are dealing with? When there’s no fucking MONEY for schools, foreign languages are the first things to get hacked off!

      Telling people to just learn a second language presumes there is ANY support for them to do so at all — we don’t all attend upper-class rich-kid schools. I’m a VERY SERIOUS language nut — French, Welsh, ASL, and Middle Egyptian. And I have to bust my ASS to do this. Most people do NOT have these opportunities, in terms of either time or money to spend.

      • OBSP

        You should get the speech he made to the Teachers Union, more pandering. Basically telling the “their doing a great job Brownie.”

    • Tuppence 411

      Many of us as kids probably heard a second language spoken at home by our grandparents; whether it was Italian, Polish, German, French, Yiddish whatever….. And yes, now as an adult in my forties I regret that I didn’t learn the language beyond a few words and phrases. But my grandparents learned to speak English. They had to in order to achieve and prosper in this country. Nobama did a great disservice to the Hispanic community with that bit of pandering. You must speak English in the US to succeed. Period.

  • Lou

    I have never seen an election where the candidate provides and bogus Birth certificate and no one in authority questions it. I have never seen an election where they are willing to install a person who is stuck on stupid and is msotly Arab and is not a naturalized citizen born here.

  • MrMike

    For what it’s worth:
    I can’t remember the exact wording or who said it, someone in the German government, or exactly who they were talking about.
    I think it was about Ford and Carter and that of all the brilliant people in the United States how did we pick these two as candidates for president.
    I thought about that comment when Kerry ran against Bush the Lesser and have been thinking about it again since the rigged Dem primary.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a candidate so lacking in morals and character still be in the race for POTUS and gets a free pass from Pelosi the worst speaker ever.

  • IODINE

    I think the dems have decided not to let the repubs outdo them in choosing a dumb’d down canidate.
    They have chosen the least qualified of them all.
    BUSH A DRIED OUT DRUNK BY HIS OWN MOUTH.
    OBAMA A DRIED OUT DRUGGIE BY HIS OWN MOUTH.
    So what’s to wonder, we will have another 4 years of Bush, only the vice will be drugs rather than booze.
    With someone else running the country.
    As is with (w).

  • Danny

    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Nov2008/petition.html

    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Nov2008/petition.html

    A Plea to Democratic SuperDelegates and Delegates to Nominate the Candidate who can Win in November 2008 -Hillary Clinton

    You might want to check this out and sign the petition. I think having all these forums and blogs to get our message out that we do not support Obama is outstanding.

    By the way I heard Brazile enthusiastically support Hillary for VP this morning on ABC – Interesting that they (abc) edited her saying Hillary’s name for the west coast replay. Did anyone else catch that? Why would ABC do that?

    • Michelle

      Thanks! Just signed on! Let’s get the word out to PUMAs – we need LOTS of them.

    • CheatedFLVoter

      I just signed! It sure did feel good.

  • USSR

    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.

    Joseph Stalin

  • KarenAnn

    I remember the Kennedy/Nixon election but did not begin really paying attention until I was a Goldwater Girl. I don’t remember any election where the low approval rated party had a candidate that was running equal to or above the candidate of the favorable approval rated party. Although in this year BOTH parties have low approval ratings. I usually look at who the candidates surround themselves with for advisors. Obama’s seem to mostly come out of academia. It has been my limited experience to note that usually academes look upon a change in government to be an opportunity to conduct an experiment of their theories. Obama’s ‘advisors’; Ayers and Dhorn, Wright, Phfleger, the Palestinan connection, Goolsby, Powers, appear to me to be the ‘revolution from within crowd’. They think that Obama can accomplish what Ayers/Dhorn could not in the 60s/70s. It would definitely be a change but not one centrists can believe in. It would turn all policies on their heads. I think that is why Obama can flip so easily, he never really believed in the liberal left, nor does he believe in center or right. His core is somewhere else, I am not sure where, but not where I want to be. I know that this does not make much sense. Michelle Obama said something to the effect of, ‘in order to make things better for all, some people are going to have to give up their piece of the pie’. Hmmm, that sounds like what? Just what piece am I supposed to give up? The piece I use to help my autistic grandson? The piece I use to help my kids out? The piece I give to charity? the piece I am saving to help my other grandson go to college? Just what exactly? Since only 1% of the population make a mil or more and about 10% make 250k -1mil that leaves an awful lot of in-betweeners to take that pie from. There is an economic principle called Parieto Optimality (sp?) that says basically ‘if you can give to ‘B’ without taking away from ‘A’ you have a good thing’.
    I guess the Obama’s don’t believe in that theory since it sounds like they want to take from A B C D etc and give to ……just who exactly?. Not a good thing.

    • dpvegas

      You make perfect sense to me. I think you’ve nailed something with he didn’t really believe in the things he was saying, so it’s easy for him to reverse himself now.

      Although, I think he’s actually getting more in line with what he’s truly believed from the start, if his spotty voting record is any indication. And I also think he believes that he’s a shoe-in for the presidency. Makes me wonder what he knows.

      I will vote against him, and I will vote for McCain. I live in a swing state, so I won’t waste my vote.

    • Lou

      why Obama can flip so easily, he never really believed in the liberal left, nor does he believe in center or right. His core is somewhere else, I am not sure where, but not where I want to be. I know that this does not make much sense.

      When asked by the news media if his stances were more Republican or more Democrat..Here’s what Nobama said..”I don’t adhere to labels-I do what I please”.

      So he has no Dem stance or Repub stance he has a terrorist stance.

  • BluDawg

    Obama, thinly veiled “principles”.

    A Train wreck in slow motion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K3gz2Zbfg

    PUMA!

    • s. hall

      bludawg — great video–The love affair by the media is over.

  • alee21

    I agree with everything discussed so far. It’s unreal that we have these two candidates when Hillary is infinitely better. Generally I don’t have such a great problem picking a candidate (usually the democratic nominee). This time, I am more anti-Obama and anti-DNC than pro-McCain. I feel that if Obama is elected, then there is no true democracy and everything he did to win the nomination will go down as standard behavior in future elections. I will probably support Obama if he had just some evidence of legislative accomplishments. The lack of that compounded with all the other highly unpleasant qualities make it impossible for me to support this man.

  • dwilson

    Barack Obama absolutely takes the cake as the worst possible candidate choice for any party. His unbelievable arrogance in contrast with his utter LACK OF ACCOMPLISHMENT is enough to turn anyone off.

    Then add to the list his many long-time anti-American and/or racist associates (including domestic terrorists, anti-Semetics, and a convicted criminal) emphasizing his poor judgment, along with the questions surrounding his and Michelle’s patriotism, in contrast with the celebrated heroism of John McCain.

    Then of course there are Obama’s many flip-flops and alignment with George Bush that leave little for Dems to like or respect about Obama. Obviously, he can’t be trusted. Who knows who he is or what he’ll do if he makes it to the oval office.

    Also off-putting is Obama’a attempt to pass himself off as “already President” with the Obama seal and his desire to make a campaign speech in front of Germany’s Brandenburg Gate.

    In addition, there’s his recent change of venue for the nomination acceptance speech to the 74,000 seat stadium so that he can bus in more of his own supporters to minimize any response from Hillary’s supporters.

    Is there no end to the hubris of this man? You can bet his unfavorable ratings have gone up and will continue to go up. He’s not only made himself unlikable and untrustworthy, he has now become laughable in his conceit. Obama is the perfect metaphor for a politician who will do and say anything to become president.

  • Arthur King

    This continues to amaze me. McEncore has a hard time remembering his script, his campaign co-chair Phil Gramm says that Americans are “whiners” and all that you can do is rail about Obama’s perceived changes in position. Say what? No candidate, unless he or she is God, can keep one identical position, or always state it correctly the first time and never need to fine tune it later on. I could think of a shopping list of gaffes that Senator Clinton made as illustrative of that point, but why bother? And why work to poison the well by holding Senator Obama to a higher standard than Clinton or McCain’t Very Well? That seems… rather odd to me. At some point we must ask, “Which side are you on?”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Spend_your_Sunday_reading.html

    In case you missed the great interview with Obama on foreign policy today here is a link to a transcript. I find it encouraging. When I listen to McCain I find his opinions either irrelevant or blood-thirsty. And off in the boonies we have the Iranians setting off short-range missiles and photoshopping the images to increase the number of weapons, which turn out to be decade-old shorter-range missiles. Why is no one here talking about that? It looks a great deal like the imaginary weapons that Saddam used to boast about as a psy-op effort to keep Iran at bay. Yet McCain is champing at the bit to do something, anything, to take a crack at Iran. Why? Hey, that hostage thing was twenty plus years ago. It’s time to move on. Early in the Afghanistan war Iran reached out to us. Why not build on that approach instead of backing them into a corner? War is a failure of diplomacy, not an improvement on it.

    • osbama

      Got the message. Iran is not a real threat to anybody and Obama knows diplomacy. Now, if they are not a threat, why do you need diplomacy?

    • 4TheRecord

      Facts are stubborn things:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaG6s05MKeM

    • OBSP

      I disagree with you, BO has not been held to any standard! No one has seriously questioned anything he has said on the stump. Even the late great Timmy R conducted a soft ball interview. Instead of a Veep vetting there needs to be a canidate vetting. Who is this guy? Where did he come from? What are his core beliefs? What has he done for this country? Why have there been lie and lie on his source of funding? As he poses to the heaven, you should ask your self, who taught him that move. I have known him as my state senator of years and never saw that look. The is all manufacuted by ?????

    • JM

      Anybody who denies that Iran is a threat to the interests of the US, Europe, the Middle East, Russia, and India is off their rocker.

      I have no problem with ordinary Iranians, as many of them cannot stand their government either. I do have a problem with a bunch of turbaned religious sociopathic zealots who think nothing about threatening other nation’s rights to exist.

      The best thing that could ever happen in the middle east is for Iranians to rise up against their sick rulers and kill every stinking one of them.

    • alee21

      You are joking – Obama has not taken a consistent stand on any major issue. The problem with this guy is that he is clueless, has no core values, does what Axelrod tells him which is to pander to whichever group he thinks he needs to win. How can you possibly trust this man?

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        He has definitely taken a stand on what music is in his iPOD.

    • s. hall

      Arthur King or should I say King Arthur. The guy you take your name from was a fairytale as is the candidate you support.

      McCain is a war hero who has spent 20 years in the Senate. What are Obama’s accomplishments? 143 days in the Senate before deciding that he was the best person for the job. Now he thinks he’s President already — When I was a Senator he says. Does he not know he is just a nominee? Angela Merkle PM of Germany says Obama should use his own good taste when thinking about speaking at the Brandenburg Gate where Hitler spoke. What good taste has Obama exhibited until now?

      • mahaska

        Oh Madam, bo has no taste or good sense.

    • dpvegas

      That hostage thing? Twenty plus years ago? Oh, you mean, like my teenagers say, that’s so last week?

      Ask the Iranians about the Shah sometime. Their historical take is ever so much different from yours, little one.

    • trixta

      Country over Party! NObama!

  • Tricia

    Can’t you wait for the debates when he is ask about FISA and he says UH UH UH UH UH UH and than tries to recall the canned answer he was given whatever that could be

    • normita

      Uh Uh Uh and Um Um Um with a few smirks for good measure. Then the media will be accused of being too hard on him.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a primary where the presumptive Deomcratic candidate entertains picking any number of Republicans for his cabinet long before he has even won the primary.

  • Innocent Bystander

    Perceptions about Obama evidently vary.

    Obama is a few points ahead of McCain in nearly every current poll in the nation. The Real Clear Politics website provides a compilation of the most significant polls at a single location:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

    • Michelle

      uh – are you an idiot?

      #1) he is within the margin of error (a statistical TIE!) on every major poll released in July (Gallup, Rasmussen, and Newsweek) and #2) the Democratic “generic” ballot is up by about 10-12 points, so the question is WHY isn’t Barack winning by more? and #3) his favorable/unfavorable ratio is now WORSE than McCain’s ratio, which suggest that he is going to continue FALLING as word gets out that he has already fallen!

      • Innocent Bystander

        No, I’m not, but your concern is appreciated.

        Polls are nothing more than vague indicators–particular when the lead is so small, and, as you’ve pointed out, within the statistical margin of error.

        That said, however, no one could look at them and logically conclude that McCain is ahead.

        Which brings me back to my initial observation: Perceptions about Obama apparently do vary. That’s simply a statement of reality. Roughly half of persons polled evidently don’t share your intensely negative views about Barack Obama.

        • s. hall

          Innocent — Obama only has 54% of Democrats supporting him — that is a disaster in the making. No wonder Obama has turned himself into an instant Repub he doesn’t stand a chance of winning Democrats. You add to that Obama isn’t receiving the donations he once was and you have a disaster on your hands.

        • imustprotest

          Well they certainly don’t reflect an intensely positive view either. Which is remarkable given the current state of this country after 8 years of Bush and his low approval rating. ANY democrat should be flying high in the polls.

        • YouHadMeAtChange-Obamabot#399

          What you are deluding your self with is that a good portion of people that say they are voting don’t.

          And the more you know Obama, the more you don’t trust Obama.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Ok let’s give him two points gang. In July. Pathetic. He’s going to break George McGovern’s record for the most embarrassing bashing in history.

  • Michelle

    A new article: “Will the REAL Obama please stand up?” – check it out!! The questions are coming – and the honeymoon is OVER!

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/07/12/2008-07-12_will_the_real_obama_please_stand.html

    • s. hall

      Michelle — Maybe The Honeymoon might not be over but the the marriage between Obama and the media is definitely on the rocks. Does this mean they will check out his birth certificate — God I hope so.

    • LB

      Goodwin certainly sums up the situation we’re in with Obama — “a man who stands for everything stands for nothing”.

  • TeakwoodKite

    The unadulterated pandering facts Mr. Johnson? My earliest memory of politics is when my mom called me in to watch the news of the assassination of JFK…I was mad ’cause I had to stop riding my new red tricycle.

    BO and Pandering.

    Chris Dodd and Fiengold’s support were based on BO taking a principled stand on FISA. Into the blackhole of pandering they went.

    His whole rise in the world of politics is based on the idea that, according to BO, people project on him their preconceptions. The pandering occurs when BO allows this to continue and actively exploits it. So pandering to BO is like breathing in and breathing out.

    While some may think this level of pandering in the annals of American politics has not been seen before, from what I have observed he is a tool in the literal sense of the word. This can be observed and quantified.

    The only issue I would take with what you said is that BO gave away the moral High ground. The fact is BO never once in his entire political career truly owned a piece of that rock. EVER. So he has nothing left to do but pander.

    The most egregious part of him is he isa walking talking conflict of interest.

    • Martin

      I have to agree with you here!!! His “moral high ground” was built on one non-recorded, non-videoed speech in 2002 about the Iraq war. That, and the 2004 Convention speech…

      It’s ALL BULLCRAP NOW!!

      NOTHING he said then is relevant or even “held up” as his unwavering principle…because he HAS NONE!

      He is a walking, talking PANDERING FOOL, now!

      EVERY speech is now a lesson in how to be a first-rate political PANDERER to get your vote! The theme being:

      I say what you want to hear, you vote for me because I look sincere, earnest, and smile alot, and when elected I’ll do as I please because you foolishly trusted that what I was saying would be regarded as some sort of “TRUTH”…when you should have known that I was being EXACTLY who I have ALWAYS BEEN:

      A PANDERER!

  • 4TheRecord
  • Lou

    I have never seen a candidate be such an empty suit and such a blank slate that his own followers spend hours blogging about what he might or might not do and then try to pinpoint and define him for themselves and their own comfort. I have never seen a candidate screw his supporters and the supporters no only will still vote for him, but say it’s ok that he went back on his word therefore allowing themselves to be screwed.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a presumptive candidate say “screw the people, just get me the checks” and then proceed to lie to his rivals bundlers about putting her on as VP when they have such different stances on everything that it won’t work-but it’s a lie to get the checks $.

  • JM

    Larry,

    Lets discuss African Americans. They threw their support behind him in overwhelming percentages. I doubt that they expected Obama to start chastising them once he became the presumptive nominee. Now… don’t get me wrong on this. There is nothing wrong with what Barack Obama says about responsibility, etc., but it has obviously rankled some feathers in the black community. I agree with Obama on this, but what is interesting is that Obama waited until AFTER he became the putative nominee before he seemed to touch on these themes. In my opinion, if he had done so sooner, like before the primaries had ended, he would not have gained as much black support because many blacks would have viewed Obama as “talking white”, and not being one of them. Obama cannot be pinned down on anything, it appears. His amorphous political character should make most people nervous. This is one of many reasons why I will never vote for him. Give me someone who has a principled stand and sticks with it, even at his own political peril. Character is important to me. Obama is the present day Democratic (in name only) Blob.

    Here is a description of the Blob movie taken from imdb.com…

    A mysterious creature from another planet, resembling a giant blob of jelly, lands on earth. The people of a nearby small town refuse to listen to some teenagers who have witnessed the blob’s destructive power. In the meantime, the blob just keeps on getting bigger.

    Beware of the Blob! It creeps, and leaps, and glides and slides across the floor.

    Indescribable… Indestructible! Nothing Can Stop It!

    Indescribable… indestructible… insatiable

    The indestructible creature! Bloated with the blood of its victims!

    It crawls…. It creeps…. It eats you alive!

    ___________________________________________________

    Clinton Democrats have tried to warn whoever will listen, but Obama’s has been on a roll, up until more recently. Maybe this story will have a better ending as Americans take a better look at our current “Blob”.

    • OBSP

      JM, as a Black Women, I unerstand my people going to the wrong side. We have been treated like second class citizens and the pride they take an someone with the educational backgroud to be president running is overwhelming to most of my people. They will not leave his side. Most of the high ranking AA in the DNC and other party affliated organizations can out of the Jesse Jackson presential camp. They would have not been notice had they not run such an effective campaign. Which brings me back to my people. They know very little if anything about him other than he went to Harvard. They don’t know he has little diversity on his team. They do not know he pays women less than their counterpart male associate. They forgive him for not attending AA events because they think he can’t win by associating himself with AA. They will use every excuse in the book, except he is unqualified. I ask this blogging community that I have become so fond of to walk a mile in their shoes. Look at when you’re the most qualified person for the job and a white person gets it. Think about asking for direction in a all white area and you are spit at. And then think about my people turning against Bill Clinton. They had to, that’s the only way they could justify voting for BO without thinking they were voting for him just because of his color. On a ligher note, think about OJ, every AA I know, thinks OJ did it, but were happy when he was found not guilty. He did not get a deal with BTE, Johnson Pubishing or any other AA corporation, because they knew he was guilty, but the wheels of justice finally found in favor of a black man. Sad, but true.

      • s. hall

        You are saying that no matter what AA
        ‘s find out about Obama they will never turn against him. Why? There is a video out there which proports to show Obama in front of a white audience laughing at AA’s. If this video comes out will this not be enough to turn AA’s against Obama. Clinton did more for AA’s than Obama ever could or would and yet you seem to understand why the AA’s had to turn against him–I don’t. If someone is good to me I will never forget them. Is there no middle ground? Must you shun a person who spent their lifetime in support of AA’s issues? Obama is not qualified to be President — no matter what his color. This is the most important job in the world we cannot afford an amateur.

        • OBSP

          Now that would do it!!! Hillary along with Edwards had several AA supporters. I personally blame Jim Clyburn for injecting race into the primary leading up to MLK Day. When he gave that interview to the NY Times warning President Clinton, every news organization picked up on that. Please understand, AA want to say like all american’s to their sons, if you excel you can become President. I heard from one of Hillary’s top surrogates that it was had to tell her AA grandson that she was not supporting a AA man, but the most qualified person.

        • CheatedFLVoter

          Would it make a difference if they find out that he is really an Arab/American and has been lying to them the whole time?

      • Lou

        All you black people screwed yourselves out of the best President ever. Hillary Clinton. You screwed yourselves out of real representation with Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, and other REAL AA’s being role models and being people we all can be proud of.
        Of course they would be part of Hill’s team..perhaps even Mayor McNutter too! These are people with backbone and integrity. They lead the way with morals and convictions. They are not two-faced spineless shapeshifters. They are the true meaning of everyone being lifted up. Thanks alot!

        • OBSP

          Wait one minute Lou, not all black people supported Barry. If you will read what I recently posted, leading up to MLK Day, Jim Clyburn, the 3rd ranking memberof the house, injected race into the primary season. Most AA were supporting Hillary until that time. It’s a matter of pride. I live in Chicago and if you go against an Irishman, you will have hell to pay. We are no different, but I was close to the campaign and knew what the deal was. If you just followed the MSM or the AA media, you would have thought Bill Clinton had called out the ships to put black fokes back on them.
          I would never vote for BO, I will vote for Crazy Cynthia before I cast a vote for him, but I have a different life experience than white americans have had. And, I can understand the thought process of what my people are going through.
          You should also know that before John Kennedy, most AA voted Republican (except for FDR) because it was the party of Lincoln. I have a friend who is 75 and has said after Einshower, she would never vote for a Rebublican again, last hired, first fired.
          And, by the way I agree with what Jesse Jackson said about Barry. He only does this speech when the media is covering him. The crowd he was speaking to on Father’s day were a group of highly educated people. Most of who were fathers who brought their sons to Sunday morning service. That the kind of fraud we are dealing with. He was playing to the media.

          • Lou

            Sorry..NOT ALL. Not every AA was fooled or threatened. 90%

          • Lou

            Well, as many have said previously, Obama is wrecking it for other AA’s to get into Government and presidency. He doesn’t represent but a minority of AA’s as far as his demoralized ways. Rev manning is begging America to not vote Obama. He is a leader that needs to shout and get ‘down’ because how else will anyone listen. Truth sets us free and ignoring what’s wrong helps no one.
            I guess it’s really a generational thing.
            Many youth of today are the walking dead who have lost their souls. I know what’s going on. I lived in the heart of the AA community back in the nineties. I saw white hate first hand. It was instilled into the tiny kids. How are we supposed to have change? How is anyone supposed to be lifted up? Can we preserve the soul? When will we expect and accept victory instead of victomhood?

          • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

            I am learning much from you OBSP. Thank you.

      • mahaska

        so if bo kills his wife and goes to trial, you think it’s ok to let him go cuz he’s black? That is exactly what happened in oj trial and that ny dear is racism in it’s purest form.

        • OBSP

          My dear that is not what I said. What I said was that there was a feeling that a black people could get justice in this system that had been so unjust to us. Even though I thought the decesion was unjust. When my son started to drive, he said to me one day that I did not trust him driving our Lexus, I told him it was not a matter of my trusting him, but my trusting the Chicago Police. It came off the top of my head, I never thought about black men driving a nice car even though I heard about it on the news DWB (Driving While Black). My Nephew was stopped a total of 5 times last month driving cross country in a 2006 Jeep. No ticket issued, just stopped. Do you have to tell your white teenagers to watch the police? No you don’t, the police are their friends. We may live similar lives, but with very different experiences.

          • Ellen D

            “What I said was that there was a feeling that a black people could get justice in this system that had been so unjust to us. Even though I thought the decesion was unjust.”

            Am I the only one that finds that justifying an injustice is actually supporting justice, a complete contradiction?

            I also found the content of Spike Lee’s “Do the Right Thing” the exact opposite of the title. Was it meant to be ironic?

            Maybe I can’t support two contradictory things at the same time about race because I wasn’t born here.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            Actually, OB, I did the same in my community because the sheriff’s dept. had a real thing for teenagers, period. I told my son to watch out and be very, very polite. I’d seen them manhandle some teens.

            The issue here was teen crime, and it was mostly white kids.

            Anyway, sure enough, he got pulled over. No ticket. He told his buddies to raise their hands in surrender. The sheriff was embarassed and told them to relax.

            I think teenage boys are at risk from police. I’m sure the problem is even worse for minority teens.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        I completely get it. And agree. I could tell from the exit polls that the anger toward the Clintons was not as serious as dicussed by the pundits. Mad people don’t say they’d be happy to vote for her if Obama isn’t the candidate.

        I agree with you about the pride that AAs must feel and the pass they give him on the AA issues. It won’t be good for them in a lot of ways. In other ways, yes.

        • OBSP

          This is the problem, not only with AA but with poor whites, we don’t get it them! We can spend our time blogging on Sunday, while people are working their third job. When I have business trip in the southern IN part of the state, I always make it a point to go into KY to work in a food back at least for a couple of hours and bring a rented car full of food with me. And, on more than one occassion, I was treated poorly. Why, because these people think I took their opportunity from them. How dare this black women donate food to them. There is not only a racial divide in this country, but a serious economic and educational divide. Don’t you people look at Jerry Springer (smile)? Those people in KY took pride in Hillary as a white women who they think grew up like them (most think they are middle class). And black people until 40 years ago did not have the right to vote in some states. 40 years is not a long time if you consider the average age of americans. I actually got used books from the north side in elementary school. Undertand, we never thought we would see this in our lifetime. Given that I could have supported him in 2016 with pride. But know, I prefer experience and knowledge.
          Now after writting all day, I’m going to go pack clothing to take to a wonderful non profit that will hire anyone that they can give a job too and not based it on their faith or sexual preference.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            That’s sort of funny in a bad way. You experience resentment because you’re helping them out?

            Interesting.

            I don’t think I have the same “great divide” perspective on class or race, but I grew up in a small rural town in Arkansas. Maybe when you grow up together, you just sort of get one another easier. We all thought we were middle class. Actually, in the 1960′s looking back, that was pretty much of a stretch!

            • OBSP

              You grew up in AK so you know. A lot of white people think that minorities took their spot in college. They think that AA got their education fully paid for which is quite the opposite. My parents had 5 children in college at one time. They mortage their house, took out loans (Continental Bank) and we all worked in the Summer. We were reponsible for are basic needs but everything else was covered by my parents. In ordder to be a strong voice we have to look at peoples lives.
              BO has the rich white people and the majority of the poor black people. And a lot of the well to do black folks that just want to be included. He is not going to win with that demograhic. We can be a bunch of snobs, even though we have nothing to look down are nose on.
              We have to look at what’s going on with people in their everyday life and know that BO will not do a thing for them. I tell people everyday, Payday loan stores, title loans companies were not opened for just minorities. There is a serious problem! And, he looks down on that segment of the population.

              • http://deleted AnninCa

                True, in CA, the resentment is directed mostly at Asian college kids, who have set the curve high in our math/science colleges. LOL* Dang them, eh?

                But yes, it’s been an issue about college entrance and enrollment quotas. In fact, several cases went to court, and the universities now has to step carefully about implementing EEO goals.

                • WildChild

                  The beutiful thing about math is that a correct answer knows nothing about race or gender. It’s simply the result of your labor. I was messing with the idea of pursuing an engineering degree in my late thirties and was taking the prerequisites at one of our local community colleges. I took up through CALC 3 before life got in the way and I had to abandon the effort. But, I got 4.0′s in every math class I took. My secret formula: got to class, take notes, do the homework, study for the test. LOL if only I knew that when I was a young man right? Well, I did but was more interested in drinking beer and chasing girls. We kill ourselves in this country with attitudes molded on Happy Days and Animal House.

      • Ellen D

        “Look at when you’re the most qualified person for the job and a white person gets it.”

        Look at when you’re the most qualified person for the job and an unqualified minority male gets it.

        Not Hillary – me back in 1965.

        • OBSP

          Ellen D, What?

          • Ellen D

            Hillary is the most qualified for this job and it’s going to an unqualified minority male.

            It’s a deja vu situation for me – an experience I had back in 1965. I find giving males an automatic pass over females as bad as giving white a pass over black, but I have found that gender trumps race and this election hasn’t changed my mind.

            • OBSP

              We should have moved pass this, but we have not. OMG, I starting to agree with the Republicans. I have a double whammy, black and female, oh I forgot, now old, triple play. Depending on the position I still think race trumps gender in the pool of unjustice treatment. If you will look at EEO stats, the groups that has benefited most from affirmation action are white females. But, I don’t have an issue with that. My issue is the poor, I don’t care what race, cred or origin they are. If they have a will we should make a way!

  • BytheBeardofZeus

    On May 18th Barack Obama said that Iran doesn’t pose a serious threat to the US or the World. Then on May 20th he said; “Iran is a grave threat,” Obama said in Billings, Montana. “It has an illicit nuclear program, it supports terrorism across the region and militias in Iraq, it threatens Israel’s existence, it denies the holocaust.

    • osbama

      And Iran is a tiny country. Before he preaches on learning other languages, he might want to boost geography or look at a map himself.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a candidate who is amoral who takes it upon himself to preach morals from the political pulpit instead of sticking to issues.

    I have never seen a candidate coach their phone bankers to say that his rival 9Hillary)is a rapist (of a 12 year old), murderer and a marxist all the while be guilty himself of the very things he told his minions to say on the phonebank to voters (especially Oregon where bamboozled big time).

  • Ellen D

    When we first got black and white television the equal time rules and the Network licenses being dependent on programming in the public interest, meant that each convention was covered wall-to-wall for a whole week each. I was a kid so it was probably Eisenhower’s conventions I remember first more than the Dems.
    It was all speeches so it was boring until the final vote – which was riveting as states voted for their favorite sons and it took many votes and counts to get down to the final nominee. That formula continued through Kennedy’s Democratic convention.
    I remember because all my favorite programs were pre-empted on all the networks for the whole week. I don’t know when the networks started cutting back their coverage but certainly the abolishing of equal time under Reagan finished it off.

    That shows how different it is from now. Apparently, now it is a rock concert.

  • Chicago Joe

    Did anyone catch him on Fareed Zakaria? Report in, please.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Amazing, isn’t it?

  • Lou

    I have never seen a middle aged candidate like Obama be so immature that his emotional IQ is that of an eight year old.

    • OBSP

      Passed by it, can’t stand to watch him, but heard him say he would kill his cousin if they catch him.

    • mahaska

      He’s 48 yrs old and has rap songs on his ipod. geez.

  • Grail Guardian

    Larry,

    Probably the one election in somewhat recent history that is alarmingly similar is that of FDR in 1932. The following is a link to a very good summary of that election:

    http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/03/29/lessons-denver-fdrs-1932-victory-over-londons-wall-street-fa.html

    Now before everyone starts in on the article being on Lyndon Larouche’s site, please take a few minutes and read it. I am not endorsing Larouche’s opinions on anything, but he happens to have a very good article on the topic. Read it before you blast me, please…

  • BytheBeardofZeus

    The rising voice – “I want my vote back!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOYyWpuEjyU

  • Lou

    I have never seen a candidate not understand the people he intends to govern for or the countries’ history or geography. gag.

  • http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/ Dakinikat

    My firm belief is this has a lot to do with the concentration of MSM into a few corporate interests. There is only freedom of information on the web and not that many folks go out there and dig up political sites. It’s akin to asking me about baseball. The only thing I know is what I saw on the nightly news the few minutes that I had to endure it.

    What I’ve learned most from this campaign, is even the blogsphere has its own little echo chamber. Just like the MSM that gets its news from a few sources, the blogrealm has a lot of folks that crosspost where like minds gather. What has most appalled me has been the wholesale censoring at the A list blogs. I expected a little bit more from folks that were cheerleading free speach.

    However, until we break up the oligopolies and near monopolies that these media corporates have on the outlets, I think this may be a trend. Information asymmetries are never good for free markets. I think they are also bad for free peoples living in democracies.

  • BytheBeardofZeus

    In February, during the primaries, Barack Obama said he would support the Constitution and oppose the FISA Amendment Act and its program of unlimited spying powers for George W. Bush. Now, in the general election, Barack Obama says he supports the Bush warrantless wiretapping spy program. Barack Obama even says he will continue this Big Brother spying program if he is elected President. If we had known this during the primary election season, would Barack Obama be the Democratic nominee? No. Barack Obama used us. He has betrayed us – and he’s proved he’s just as rotten as the rest of the candidates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM5skZ7pmuk

    • CheatedFLVoter

      Welcome.

  • snoopy

    The democratic party hasn’t been unified since the 50′s.

    Reason, that’s the way J.Jackson & Co wants it.

    Democratic party is only united in hate and anti-American and far left radical Marxism.

    KKK and Black Panthers are democrats so is all the other hate groups, it’s always been that way.

    Sometimes it’s hard to face the facts, maybe , just maybe, John McCain is the superior candidate.

    John Kerry lost to Bush because Bush did a better job at hiding and fixing his records.

    Al Gore lost to Bush because the GOP was able to expose Gore’s mental problems.

    The hell with socialism and anyone that supports it.

    • Innocent Bystander

      Gore’s mental problems?

      Let’s just hope John McCain, with his “anger management issues”, doesn’t get that 3 AM phone call while he’s under the influence of Ambien…

      • Lou

        McCain is a healthy man. He’s eats the best of food and exercises. He gets angry when he needs to. He’s not passive agressive like Obama.

      • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

        BHO has some anger management issues of his own. I’m on a daily BHO temper watch and the latest tidbit I found details his near punch-up with one of his fellow legislators in Illinois. Let’s not go there about “anger management issues”. Especially in light of the way BHO visibily tightens when asked tough quesions by reporters. Questions that will certainly get tougher in the coming weeks.

        • dpvegas

          He actually looks like Gee Dubya when he gets miffed at a perceived wrong. Like when he stomped off when reporters tried to ask him questions about Rezko. He gets that pinched face look just like Dubya’s. Eerie.

        • mahaska

          He definately has mental issues. He invented a past for himself, he has delusions of grandeur.

        • OBSP

          Thank you Sugar. Anyone that arrogant has to get angry when he is brought back to earth. Did you do your request for your ticket yet? for the nominination/cordination There going f____t?good__?demand is going to kick U soon?

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      You’re full of shit snoopy. The majority of the democratic party is comprised of moderates. We have only elected two presidents in 40 years because WE reach across the line and vote republican when the socialists do their hijacking attempts. And sometimes we have helped you elect some real shitheads who fucked up this economy really well.

      • Diana

        I think that would be the true majority on both sides, which is why McCain even though they’ve called him a closet Dem for years was given the popular vote. People are sick of the radicals on both sides. I’ve said this for years. I didn’t get a say in the last election for president for medical reasons. I’ve only missed two elections I can think of. I’ve pretty much voted along party lines all along on issues (I should be specific on this). Conservative on some issues. Liberal on others. I can’t claim like some that I’ve only voted for Democrats that would be a lie. I voted for Reagan. I also voted for Schwarzenegger, and now if Hillary is not the nominee I’ll vote for McCain.

  • Lou

    that Americans are “whiners” and all that you can do is rail about Obama’s perceived changes in position. Say what? No candidate, unless he or she is God,HILLARY can keep one identical position, or always state it correctly

  • islander

    Hillary Clinton does NOT “hate” John McCain. Check the facts. They have worked together very successfully, traveled amicably together and there are photos of them which reveal genuine camaraderie. Best not to confuse platform planks with respect in relationships.She’s smarter and better informed than he is but he is smart enough to know it and respects her.

  • Phil

    Mr. Obama, you are no John Kennedy!

    What we’re seeing is the dumbing down of American voters, to a degree that puts the MEDIA in control.

    I don’t agree with everything that Larry Johnson says, but he more often right than not about this campaign.

    I will either be writing Hillary in, or voting third party.

    How did we end up with THESE two candidates? It’s a sorry state of affairs.

    We have begun to take our Democracy for granted. I never thought I would see the day when someone who professes to share liberal ideals would vote to give retroactive immunity for illegal wiretapping of the American citizen.

    We are in trouble, and it’s going to get worse. Obama and McCain are exactly the wrong people, at this time.

    • snoopy

      Spoken like a true liberal whiner.

      For the first time in my adult life I’m ashamed at my fellow Americans for choosing these two despicable socialists ,Marxists candidates for POTUS.

      Stop whining and vote for an honorable candidate the next President of the United States of America John McCain.

      ******

      • Steven Mather

        black op

  • Ann

    I have never seen an election where a party is willing to back a candidate who has attended and contributed and supported the teachings of a church for 20 years that is anti-white, anti-semetic, and anti-American! Look up what Black Liberation Theology actually espouses. Why does no one care about this or think it’s important? The Republicans had a problem with Romney being a Morman for goodness sake!

    The other issue is his association with anti-American terrorists. I work in the defense industry and we have to have background checks to get security clearances. I wouldn’t even be able to get a clearance if I served on boards with former terrorists! And the DNC wants this man to be our President and be privy to the most classified information? He’s a security risk with friends like that! It’s insane and the media doesn’t seem to have any problem with this? What is WRONG with these people?

    In my opinion, just these two issues disqualify him from being POTUS – notwithstanding his inexperience!

  • Lou

    I HAVE NEVER SEEN a candidate lie so friggin much that he foregts his own lies and forgets what he said a minute ago.

    • mahaska

      That’s why I think he’s still drugging. Crackheads lie with every breath.

  • W. A.

    Johnson/Goldwater was my first experience in politics as well.

    I feel that facts based upon this subject are hard to come by but the end result question is, what is “America” thinking about the candidates’ flip flops specifically and how will that effect each candidate?

    Nuance has always been a part of politics. Graceful, swaying moves are the way of our political process when a candidate moves for the masses in the general election unfortunately. Always has been.

    Politics is an “Art”.

    Barack has been like a dump truck going through a nitroglycerin factory. Nothing classy, nothing nuanced but rather crass, rough, loud, out of control and inexperienced.

    Hillary has mastered this and all political peripherals in this equation. She is just the best candidate, period.

    Now, on to McCain. I think the American people see McCain as nuanced, experienced, trustworthy and sincere on a whole. Folks certainly notice his shift to the right but not much compared to Barack. McCain is much smoother in his delivery and folks see and feel this.

    If it does come down to Obama and McCain, folks will view Obama as zig zagging on a straight two lane highway.

    Between these two, I think McCain will hold that day.

    Hillary back in? Now that is an election I would like to be a part of….very much.

    “political version of erectile dysfunction”, this is so hilarious but yet so true.

    W. A.

  • Phil

    Also, go do yourself a favor and listen to MLK’s Memphis speech, or the “I Have a Dream” speech. Then, go listen to anything by Obama.

    NO comparison. Most people have forgotten what a rhetorical genius MLK was, in addition to his deep scholarship.

    Obama pales in comparison.

  • llilytoo

    Kids , The Fannie Mae shit will be melting the economy down so fast, Hillary has a real chance for the nomination. The Powers that Be will need her to quell the food riots. Get canned goods and hold tight.

    • BluDawg

      It’s remarkable that 5 banks have failed already this year.

      1929 may be revisiting us in a big way.

      • Lou

        Hillary is the only one to help us out of the bank meltdown. Did anyone catch her speech in March with her St Paddy scarf on. It was on C-Span and she was surrounded by generals and others worried aboutt he economy. Maybe it’s on You Tube. She talked about the economy and had a urgent attitude..now we have let all this time pass and we are going down. There are no loans for people. What are they going to do?

      • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

        My portfolio is in the crapper. And I have to listen to these pissants and communists villify Bill Clinton. These are the same people leaching off their parents till they are 30, enjoying the money their parents made during Clinton years.

    • Lou

      I grow my own food.

  • http://NotoVP kathy

    I’m 59—and never seen a candidate with this thin a resume. Either we know them and family or they have a sturdy resume. I this case, we have neither. This primary was solely about getting rid of Hillary because she is strong and the Dem. leaders can’t ‘control’ her and the Repubs. couldn’t beat her. I have heard Dems saying that because of Rush’s Operation Chaos that the Repubs wanted to run against Hillary. No, that operation was solely about drawing out the primary.

    • Lou

      They keep saying that. Operation Chaos was devised by Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, and MoveOn.Org in the summer of 2007! Make no mistake about it. I have PDF flyers from Obamas campaign in January with Operation Chaos on them. It wasn’t until later in the primary that Repubs having known about the crossover for Obama decided to help Hillary and crossover for her..so Operation chaos backfired a little. Except for the “trash Hillary’s votes”.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      “community organizer”. Wow that’s big. Right up there with Playground Director.

      • OBSP

        LOL! I think it’s the same pay grade.

  • YoNoForObama

    Larry, I am also 53 years old and have never in my lifetime seen an election like this one where the candidate was pre-selected for me. As far as Pelosi, she was like a shark protecting her “I’m the most powerful woman in the U.S. and I won’t let anyone be more powerful than I am” meme. Even if it cost the DNC this election she was willing to throw it rather than have Hillary in power over her.

    The DNC can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. NO ONE is going to ramrod a candidate down my throat. I will be voting Republican this year for President and down ticket as well. Take that Pelose, Reid, Coward Dean, and the DNC.

    Don’t ever think that women don’t have power or the courage of their convictions!!!

    • mahaska

      Pelosi is a jealous old crone. A total disappointment. Fancies herself queen of the hill.

  • Lucinda

    I’m 40-something :wink: , and I don’t remember a campaign where the media was so lenient on a candidate. Remember 1984 when Gary Hart was forced out of the race after a picture of Donna Rice sitting on his lap surfaced. I believe that a picture of Barack Obama killing kittens could surface and his die-hard supporters in the media and hardheaded SDs wouldn’t care. They’d fall all over themselves trying to put a palatable spin on it.

    • Innocent Bystander

      You don’t think the media was lenient concerning the period when George W. Bush AWOL from the national guard? Or about he and Cheney’s multiple DWI arrests? Or the fact that he’d failed at every business he was involved in?

      You don’t think they’re being a little lenient concerning McCain’s deep ties to lobbiests? Or his questionable campaign contributions from the telecom industry? They’re completely ignoring whether his temperment is suited to the presidency. Or how his age might effect his suitability over the next four years. They aren’t inquiring about possible PTSD. The guy needs medication to sleep. I like John McCain, but these are ignored issues. Obama flip-flops on issues; McCain can do a total reversal on the Bush tax cuts and the term doesn’t even come up.

      • Lucinda

        You don’t think the media was lenient concerning the period when George W. Bush AWOL from the national guard? Or about he and Cheney’s multiple DWI arrests? Or the fact that he’d failed at every business he was involved in?

        Not really. I remember these being covered extensively on T.V. and in the newspapers.

        You don’t think they’re being a little lenient concerning McCain’s deep ties to lobbiests? Or his questionable campaign contributions from the telecom industry? They’re completely ignoring whether his temperment is suited to the presidency. Or how his age might effect his suitability over the next four years. They aren’t inquiring about possible PTSD. The guy needs medication to sleep. I like John McCain, but these are ignored issues. Obama flip-flops on issues; McCain can do a total reversal on the Bush tax cuts and the term doesn’t even come up.

        Evidently, you don’t watch very much American T.V., because all of these issues about McCain have come out on the news.

        • Lou

          The news lies. Look at the idiot Obama being painted as a God and you’ll see how severe the lieing news is!

      • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

        Innocent Bystander, I’m no friend of Bush’s but you must be kidding right? We heard that AWOL from the national guard story over and over. Obama has not received half of what he should have received from the media by now. We know who McCain is. We don’t know Obama, so every time he flip flops, it’s another hash mark on the list of why he is not experienced enough or FIT to be leader of this country. Same way Bush wasn’t either.

        • Lou

          Sugar. Innocent bystander is here to disrupt the thread. They say anything at all to accomplish that. Just let them foam at the mouth and believe what they want. Life long dems don’t need to explain ourselves to these evil distractors.
          Just skip past their posts. They say whatever will rile you up. ‘Waste fo time. No need to explain.

      • Martin

        McCain’s “total reversal” as you so eloquently put it…was because he felt the Bush tax cuts were not accompanied by any SPENDING CUTS!

        And he was right!!!

        He stood up against his own party’s President because that President was making a WRONG compromise to get the bill passed.

        And NOW we have the big deficits because a pork-barrel addicted CONGRESS could not control their appetite…and Bush could not control HIS either…even though revenues WENT UP because of the tax cuts!

        NOW, he is FOR not letting them lapse because he knows it will only hurt our economy and put us on the road to a full-blown recession…which Obambi can’t fathom happening.

        It’s called, sticking to your PRINCIPLES…not flipping…something else Obambi can’t fathom!

        • Innocent Bystander

          The logic of that defense of McCain’s reversal is a bit too convoluted for me to follow.

          You’ve got to remember who actually benefited from the Bush tax cuts, and who would actually benefit from McCain’s plan to make them permanent.

          From 2001 through 2010, the upper 1% of American families received an average benefit totaling $342,472. These are not the families hard-put by the economic crisis republican policies have created.

          From 2001 through 2010, the bottom 20% of American families received an average grand total of $744.

          And the middle 20% of American families? They receive a total of $5,402 for those same 10 years. $540 a year.

          Does that seem equitable?

          Here are the charts, if you want to study them: http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm

          In what sense is McCain’s reversal an example of sticking to your principles? What the reversal actually does is stick it to the American people.

          The assertion that rescinding the cuts would hurt the economy is based on the faulty logic of “trickle down economics”.

          McCain can talk about fiscal responsibility all he wants. But it’s just talk. It was republican policy that resulted in a doubling of the national debt in a mere 7 1/2 years, and McCain doesn’t plan to change those policies.

          Where’s he going to make budget cuts? He certainly doesn’t plan to curtail a $341.4 million dollar a day war. He doesn’t plan to change the Bush tax cuts, or their distribution. If he’s serious about balancing the budget, that leaves social programs–which will of course impact the rich the least, and hit the working poor the hardest.

          My guess is he isn’t serious about trying to balance the budget. It’s just empty campaign talk designed, once again, to appeal to conservative sensibilities. He’ll leave the deficit unchecked and let the debt keep on growing. And the value of the dollar will continue to fall as a result.

          You can probably look forward to $7 a gallon gasoline if the dollar continues to decline.

    • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

      Yes! Fugging idiots.

      • Innocent Bystander

        Please see the above response, and explain to me how it is that I’m an idiot. McCain’s plan just doesn’t add up. Period.

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          Nothing about Obama adds up. Who the heck is he? I still don’t know.

          What’s his opinion today–on anything? It’s hard to keep up.

  • Lou

    I have never seen a candidate have such a lack of backbone or self identity that he has to adopt other people’s identity be it from the past or the present.
    If he lacks in these areas he has to steal not only the caucus votes but other people’s identities and accomplishments.

    Hold on to your ass. We have been on a long gruesome ride and the end is yet to come.

    I have never seen the DNC remove some states for bugus reasons when the real reason is that Obamas Rival would win these states AND THE nomination..and she did win those states handily! Yeah remove states because the rival will win them. Great ploy to steal the election.
    MAY 31, 2008 NEVER FORGET!

    I have never seen a candidate who removed 2 large states say that if he won them he would go to court and have them reinstated in full..(as per the Tampa Sun news story in Feb) but all the while blocked a resolution for a revote or full count because his rival would win the nomination.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      He’s very much like Deval Patrick. Same media creation, same potential dismal failure. Patrick copped out on every one of his promises and is making a shambles of Change you Cannot Believe.

  • Martin

    Larry, I am also 53, and like you got my first taste of politics during the Goldwater/Johnson race.

    Your perceptions are spot on! The ONLY race I can remember where a nominee (or presumptive nominee) so divided the party, or at least his “base” from the rest of the party, not to mention the electorate at large, WAS the Goldwater nomination of ’64…and we all know how THAT turned out. A landslide for Johnson!

    Now it’s true, Johnson was a sitting President and did not even have the same negatives that Bush has now…so the precedent is not even THAT accurate!..but it only goes to show the HUGE HOLE that Obambi has dug himself into.

    He should be FAR and AWAY the favorite to win right now…but he’s NOT! He has NOT sealed the deal in his own party, and has NOT seen a significant lead among independents grow or even be maintained over the month since he was “selected”. This is a bad, bad, BAD OMEN for November.

    And what IS UNPRECEDENTED is his sudden lurch to the center…BEFORE the convention! I think he miscalulated TERRIBLY the effect this would have with his supporters and those in his own party. He thought it wouldn’t matter with them, and the risk was one he needed to take to win the “independents” over for the general…

    WRONGO! It just showed him for the pandering, two-faced, dishonest, lack of principles, political-hack from Chicago he is! His bed has been made!… and now he will lie (literally!) in the mess he has made, and attempt to cover-up (literally!) the fact he is a fraud and a deciever with more “bamboozling” and “hood-winking” (Gee…was that what he did with Bernie Mac? Gave him a quick “hood-wink”?) and try to ride his “popularity” as a “CHANGE” agent to some kind of November victory!

    Ain’t gonna happen, Obozo!!! Your fortune is cast and your house of cards are falling down all around you!

    Hopefully there will be a Democratic Party after the carnage in November… but 3+ years is plenty of time for Hillary to pick up the pieces of shattered dreams and hopes come 2012!

    In the meantime…

    McCain ’08

  • Judy

    Larry to answer your original question – I am 59 years old and I have never seen anything like this.

    However, I remember thinking there was something really wrong with Kerry – I did not like him.

    However, where things have gotten very strange is the DNC, Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, and the MSM – that is what I cannot remember. I admired Hillary and she had my vote from day one. Most of us don’t like Obama because of Wright, Ayer, Rezko – those 3 did it for me very early. But, where I got realllllly angry was after the Rules Committee did there number on Hillary.

    Granted I would not have voted for Obama – the huge issue is the DNC – this must never happen again. It is such a hugh issue – I actually believe it signals the end of democracy.

    There lies the unprecedented and what has gotten many us deeply upset. I am older, but I feel like taking to the streets and doing some serious protesting. I can’t stand it – it is the most frustrating thing I have ever seen in my life.

    Again, thank you Larry – I feel like I am at home at No Quarter – I trust this site along with The Real Barack Obama the most.

  • anonymous

    Speaking of facts where is the birth certificate? We don’t even know if Waffles is eligible to be president.

  • Deep Truths

    Following quotation from ‘successories’:

    The Roots of Character

    “Those who preserve their integrity remain unshaken by the storms of daily life.

    They do not stir like leaves on a tree or
    follow the herd where it runs. In their mind remains the ideal attitude and conduct of living.

    This is not something given to them by others. It is their roots…it is a strength that exists
    deep within them.”
    – Anonymous Native American

    ——————————-

    Ho-bama only knows short term games for personal gain.
    The man has no character because he does know what character is. He doesn’t know what flip-flopping is because he is only committed to personal gain.

    That’s why he keeps moving to the next group, then another group, because even he knows time is running out on the empty suit. That chariot will turn into a pumpkin any day now.

    • Innocent Bystander

      Has Obama actually flip-flopped more than McCain? McCain surely holds the record for the most reversals during a single two-week period. That would be just last month. The reversals include his stated positions on:

      1. Social Security Privatization
      2. Raising–or Slashing–Defense Spending
      3. His First Term Balanced Budget Pledge
      4. His views on the Media’s Treatment of Hillary Clinton
      5. The Estate Tax
      6. FISA, Domestic Surveillance and Telecom Immunity
      7. Restoring the Everglades
      8. Divestment from South Africa
      9. Fighting Job Losses in Michigan
      10. Opposing Hurricane Katrina Investigations

      His reversal on the Bush Tax Cuts fill into a different two week period. Same with his reversal on accepting public campaign funds.

      http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/16/mccain-sets-a-new-record-10-flip-flops-in-two-weeks/

      So, Barack and Obama both have flip-flops. Maybe it’s the voters job to determine which candidate looks silliest wearing them.

  • scorbs

    What we need is reporters who once again aspire to be Bernstein and Woodward, pursuing truth in the face of power and corporate media. Instead, just look at these reporters; they want to be part of the power elite themselves. We also need large personalities with vision, who want to lead America. That is neither McCain nor Obama.

    Obama perticularly is abhorrent. Instead of having a large nature and using it to unify, he had a very tiny spirit, where he criticizes and tries to “force” people to back him.

    This spells doom. First off, he can’t unify the democratic party, he can’t unify the country. And secondly look at his “vision” — he has none. All he’s done is criticize McCain.

    I suspect the country is going to fall into a funk and depression, and the latter may not just be emotional.

  • scorbs

    So to answer your question, “is it unprecedented?” Yes, because there are two very poor candidates now, who have nothing to offer the country.

    Someone who has the time, should point to similar eras, like maybe Calvin Coolidge’s. The country could do with a Roosevelt but it’s getting these two.

  • Lou

    F’in sick of this schmoozer.
    He is just like a street person shucking and jiving.
    To borrow a term from Blackagendareport=Shuckster. Or is it Sheister?

    It’s high time everyone comes to their senses and listen to the Dem party base. We need Hillary. Like her or not, she IS OUR ONLY HOPE.
    Bill can stay in NYC if they are nervous about that.

    DNC needs to wake up and save America from itself.
    Stop the nonsense of cliches and let Hillary lead the way. She is a motivator and a natural born leader with class and grace. STOP THE nonsense.
    Save America
    Give Hill a chance.

  • trist

    My comment is this; the Super Delegates know after this year they’re history. The question is how do the last to serve wish to be remembered? For doing their job? Which is to side with the strongest candidate even IF it goes against the pledged delegate count. Or cave to the corrupt power mad party leaders and give in to the fear of ticking of the black community which may, MAY lead to some serious backlash.

    I do not envy their position, but they CHOSE to put themselves there. They wanted that job.

    So Super Delegates a call upon you to do it!

    • Lou

      Super Delegates. America is in your hands. We are on the verge of collapse. NOW DO YOUR F’IN JOB AND VOTE FOR THE ONE BEST CAPABLE OF LEADING US OUT OF THIS MESS. PEOPLE ARE HURTING and looking to you to find a spine.
      Do your f’in job please.
      Stop the nit picking and cast your vote for Hillary. Like her or not do your patriotic duty before we become a third world country. We desperately need Hillary. Hear our plea.
      This is not a personality contest. We’ll donate and vote for you but you have to do the right thing NOW!
      America is hurting. Please hear our pleas. To the youth this is a sport. To the Dem base it’s our lives. Help America. vote for who ready to lead on day one.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I agree, but I have no sympathy. They had an important decision. They took the easy route, and if they are finding out now it’s not so easy after all, too bad.

      I want party leaders with intelligence and skill to discern that the easy path isn’t always the smart path, even politically.

      So they should be voted out for stupidity, unless they were truly listening to their own state and their own constituents.

      Those who changed due to the American Idol factor? They really need to go. We don’t need leaders who jump on bandwagons. We need real leaders.

      And those who were cowards? They need to go back to some state position level and find a backbone.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      And the party’s stupid way of handing out delegates in primaries is raw bullshit.

  • no waffles aka drkate

    Larry:

    Thanks for this post, and for NoQuarter, by the way, as this forum has provided for much information exchange and furtherance of knowledge and ideas.

    Yes, this is unprecedented in my lifetime…we are the same age….however I was reading about the ends of historical eras, and their characteristics which I think offers some additional insight. The story of John Adams’ signalling the end of the federalists and the rise of Jefferson got me to thinking about now.

    This period now is at the end of an era, and is characterized by the exposure of extreme hipocrisy, decadence, greed, power grabbing, and ego centrism and arrogance.

    What I think is going on, in part, is the end of the era of the dominance of the republicans (conservatism) and now democrats (liberalism)..perhaps these the “political philosophies” have run their course and are now exposed.

    This is easy to see with Bush–these last seven years have seen so much destruction (another post for sure), but the era of conservatism started with reagan, reached its peak with bush II, and is now just about dead…the excesses, abuses of power, redistribution of wealth. Cheney in particular completed his mission to change even the structure of american government by seizing and expanding executive power and placing it in firmly in the hands of the corporations.

    But Bush gutted everything, including the “republican” or “conservative” brand name. He and Cheney ran its course into the ground,thus little enthusiasm this year for the republican brand and thus supposedly lousy chances for republicans.

    Bush represents the end of the “conservatism” or “republican” brand.

    Without complicit dems, however, the republicans could not have done this. Thus the “underbelly” comes in….those who are in it for power, hiding behind the label “democrat” just to be anti republican, but not doing anything. The “left” got associated with the democrats…so those “values” supposedly defined the democrats mixed with some progressivism.

    But what happened? Even with the mantle now, they are unable and unwilling to defeat Bush. Why? Because they’d actually have to work at it and walk their talk. They are unwilling. Thus the underside of the democrats, which is spineless and still for power unto themselves.

    Obama represents the worst of the democratic underside…just a panderer, no care, elitist, out of touch, out for power, ego/personality centered. The left dream of 30 years ago (“recreate68″, McGovern, Kennedy)…which never manifested as did the republicans’ dream, now has its final showing in Obama–and in doing so, exposes all the weaknesses of “the democrats” (and the appropriated left and liberal terms)….even obama runs from the label “liberal”…In exposing itself for all its weaknesses, Obama represents that–perhaps the last throes of the “democrats” and the falseness of the claim of “left”, “progressive”, and “liberal” as describing “democrats”.

    The old “lefties” see their 1960s-70′s dreams come true with Obama…they are living vicarioulsy not caring whether they win or lose. But thinking they will win, just as they did then. Same people involved too.

    Obama represents the end of the democratic party as we know it.

    The democrats and repubicans are DINOs and RINOs, stealing names and principles and not doing anything but lining their own coffers, taking care of themselves, and securing more power. The will go like the DINOs really did–they both are becoming extinct. Nader saw this but turned it into his own ego-based effort as well.

    I don’t think Obama will become president because he has exposed the soft, spineless underbelly of the “democrats”. And Bush was the end of the “republicans”. Thus it was HRC who represented change on the democratic side (which is why they didn’t want her–they’d actually have to work and walk their talk), and McCain who signals a new start for republicans (he has to win their support now, and is doing so, and will moderate when he is elected.).

    Both brands now are in the toilet because of the failures of leadership, lies, and waste. We must continue to work against Obama to ensure this brand of democrat never rises again, and that that part of the party that needs to end for the true democratic party to emerge. It is right to continue to support HRC as the democrats rightful nominee, in the context of all we have learned and know about how our country must move forward and jettison the chaffe. We can easily “tread water” with McCain until HRC emerges again as the obvious choice.

    Those of us left standing– Americans (progressives, leftists conservatives if there is any label)–must now form new parties….navigate both republicans and democrats for the benefit of America, and usher in a new era-one that truly does rise to our promise as peoples and inhabitants of this planet.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Good analysis. I also think that’s why the young Obamabots were so willing to let Obama’s lies get a pass during the primary, while leaping on Hillary’s Bosnia moment. They have grown up seeing the “game” of politics.

      That’s all it’s been for them. They do not know anything else. They claim this is smart on Obama’s part.

      They truly aren’t appalled in the least. The end justifies the means.

    • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

      Beautifully put, drkate!

  • Lou

    I’m sure you are not alone. The lines sure have gotten blurry. We know with Hillary the line still exists..other than that who knows what anyone stands for anymore.

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  • Silver

    Larry, I’m fifty years old, and have been a political junkie ever since I can remember. I actually watched the Watergate hearings when I was a teenager like they were a soap opera. This is the first time I have EVER seen a primary process so screwed up!! In the past, I have always supported the Democratic nominee even if he wasn’t my first choice. But this year is something different like I have NEVER SEEN!!! Between the biased media, the DNC, the dumb ass politicians—I would label this primary season as a slap-stick comedy at best, (a Shakespearean tragedy is more like it)—and an insult to any normal person’s intelligence.

    Obama is floundering in part because he is such a jerk, and in part because he was illegitimately shoved down our throats. I don’t ever recall a time when there was such an uprising within either party during a primary season. Pundits predict it will get better by the fall, but I predict it will only get worse. I’ve voted straight Democrat since I was eighteen, but I find myself delighted every time Obama gets criticized for one of his asinine policies, remarks, or scandals. I’m pretty darn sure I won’t “get over it” by November.

  • bayareavoter

    Great comments here and great post, Larry.

    I feel exactly like I did after the Supremes anointed Bush in 2000 except naively I never expected the Dems to pick the unqualified candidate and not let this thing play out at the convention as it should have.

    I’ve been a Dem my whole life (just a few yrs older than you, Larry). Was at Berkeley during Watergate, did show graphics for the Dead for the 3 yrs before Jerry died, marched against the war in Iraq but if it’s not Hillary I’m voting McCranky.

    I wish I still lived in Pelosi’s district so I could vote against her! Woolsey is my congresswoman and she was a founding member of the the Out of Iraq group AND an early supporter of HRC–she gets my support.

  • Patti

    The first time I voted was for Reagan. I have voted for Hillary Clinton 3 times. As a New Yorker she is my Senator.

    I have yet to find anyone except a couple of younguns voting for Obama. And some are not voting at all.

    Its been bizarre so far, what will happen next.

    *( I am not the Patti that checks spelling or grammar, but I do say Noon Oclock.)*

    • WildChild

      You must be my age. I voted for Reagan for his second term. I was three months too young to vote when he first ran. That was my first lesson in the con job. You listen to a guy saying the things you want to hear and take it a face value but never look closely at the poeple who make up his base. Then one day you wake up and realize that they are an bunch of nut bags and they’re going to last a lot longer then he did. It isn’t that the conservative fringe ever stopped talking the talk of Reagan. They twisted and warped it into something that talked the same but walked a whole different road. That was the lesson learned that makes up the foundation for my opposition to BOBO.

      • JudyA.

        I turned 18 in Dec ’88, so I never got the chance to vote against Reagan. :(

        Let’s just say I wasn’t fond of the Reagan/Bush era. The fact that Bill got rid of GHWB was good enough for me to drink the Bill koolaid!

  • Peggy Sue

    I’m a few years older than you, Larry. But I don’t remember anything like this. What about bloggers who remember the Adlai Stevenson run? Was it like this in any way? Can’t say myself, but then I know he lost, twice. And I think I remember reading that he appealed to the “intellectual set,” the so-called egg-heads.

    But whether he flipped and flopped around like Obama or demonstrated so many weaknesses this early out? That I don’t know.

    But I’m sure someone could enlighten us.

    PUMApac.org

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69294

    Good article about PUMA, and I loved to hear what they said about what comes after the convention.

    Look for action on the downticket. :)

    I like this a LOT!

    Let’s get rid of Pelosi!

  • JudyA.

    My 94 year old grandmother has never seen anything like this in the primary either. But we all did see it in the GE of 2000.

    The real difference in the general election of 2000, was that Pat Buchanan was gracious enough to say he didn’t think people intended to vote for him in Florida, and he didn’t want those votes. Pat Buchanan! I never thought I could like that man (because he has an “R” by his name), but I actually had respect for him. Barack would never have that integrity.

    I’m from Texas, and Bush was the governor. I’m like “how can you like this guy? you’re gonna vote for him just because you’d like to have a beer with him?” ???!!!

    I said back in January that I get the same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach for Barack that I did when I heard Bush won Florida. My first thought was “OMG! What is going to happen to this world?!” Same feeling. It’s like they’re soulmates.

    If Barack didn’t look so much like his mom and granddad, I’d swear he was the love child of Condi & Bush Jr…that’s why we don’t see the real birth certificate! Didn’t she once accidently call Bush her husband? :)

    And for the record, I was sooooo proud that my 94 year old grandmother was able to vote for a woman to run for president. She waw born before women had the right to vote. And she loves Hillary. She has said many times that she thinks “Bill Clinton is the best president we’ve had in my lifetime” (Monica or not) and she said she thought Hillary would do a better job than Bill did. I’m so glad she still has a good mind and memories.

  • politicsisdirty

    What happened to those who chastised Sen Clinton and endorsed Sen Obama during the primnary because they claimed that Sen Clinton is a panderer or a flip flopper?

  • politicsisdirty

    What a coincidence. I told my friends less than a month ago that Sen Obama is no different from Pres George Bush.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    maybe they are just really really stupid…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • JozefAL

    Well, if Hillary hates McCain, what of it?
    It certainly doesn’t explain why Obama’s moving to be MORE like McCain in the past couple of weeks.
    At least, Hillary and McCain haven’t *suddenly* made unprecedented FLIP-FLOPS on their “long-held beliefs”. (McCain’s big changes came DURING the primary season; Obama’s have come since he “became” the Democratic “nominee”.)
    Go find someone to teabag. (Of course, given how well you do when posting here, I can’t imagine anybody would be satisfied with your teabagging abilities.)

  • Patti

    Hiya, believe

  • Patti

    Hiya, believe

    how was the dinner party?

  • Steve

    No, they do not hate each other. They both sit on the Armed Forces Committee and they respect each other. As far as I know, they drank a number of drinks in the past.

    Asked about the prospect of her running against McCain, she claimed that this would be the nicest and most friendliest campaign in history, because they would not smear each other.

  • derridog

    Hillary doesn’t hate McCain. They are friends. Where are you getting this idea?

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Hillary hardly hates McCain. They are very much friends.

    McCain gets along very well with liberal Dems and actually has the record for bipartisanship work that Obama claims he’ll be.

    With McCain, it’s proven. With Obama, it’s rhetoric. Obama can’t unify Democrats, nevermind a country.

  • Inhumancannonball

    Hillary disagrees with his position on issues. You don’t know that she hates him. They seem to have gotten along in the past.

  • Jillie

    she doesn’t hate him. on the contrary, they happen to be good friends.

  • AMERICAN SAWBUCK

    Hillary doesn’t hate McCain they are friends..Hillary hates obambi as we all do.
    Silly person obambi is the enemy not McCain…