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The Three Blind Men and the Elephant: The New Yorker on Obama

elephant-men.jpgThe New Yorker magazine made a fundamental mistake when it decided to answer the question, Who Sent Obama?  

They sent a 30-something New Yorker named Ryan Lizza to Chicago.  And Chicago ate him for breakfast and never looked back.

Of course, as patient readers of Global Labor well know, we asked, and answered, the age old Chicago political question – Who Sent You? – back in April of this year and we updated it several times most recently on June 23.  No mention of our work in the New Yorker – but that’s ok, they likely would have screwed it up anyway.

As we wrote then, the key to understanding Obama’s rise to power in Chicago politics is knowing which questions to ask, and of whom, and to understand why some will give you a straight answer while others will smile as broad as daylight at you and feed you a pile of horse manure. Lizza ate a lot of the latter. Now he wants you to eat it, too.  Don’t be fooled.

Let’s just take apart one paragraph as an example, about the critical relationship between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers.

Lizza writes as follows:

Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, another activist Hyde Park couple, also held an event for Obama. Forty years ago, Ayers and Dohrn were leaders of the Weathermen, the militant antiwar group that bombed the Pentagon and the United States Capitol. By the time Obama met Ayers, the former radical and onetime fugitive had been accepted into polite Chicago society and had been reborn as an education expert, eventually working as an informal adviser to Mayor Daley. (Those ties remain intact in the jumbled culture of Chicago politics. When Obama’s association with Ayers first became a campaign issue, Daley, whose father, in 1968, sent his police force into the streets to combat Ayers’s fellow-radicals, issued a statement praising Ayers as “a valued member of the Chicago community.”)

Of course, Ayers and Dohrn are hardly “another activist couple.” Dohrn is a convicted criminal and both were terrorists who helped destroy the best of the student left and anti-war movement in the late 1960s. And is Bill Ayers a former radical? What is the evidence of that? In fact, Ayers loses no opportunity to make clear to all willing to listen that nothing has changed for him since his days in the Weather Underground – which ran until about 25 years ago, not 40 – except that he is longer tossing homemade bombs around.

Notice what Lizza does here though: “by the time Obama met Ayers” he writes, Ayers had been accepted into polite Chicago society.  He never asks, or answers when, in fact, Ayers and Obama actually met.  And, of course, experienced Chicagoans like Abner Mikva and Marilyn Katz, two key Obama allies, are never asked and do not tell.

But when did Obama meet Ayers? That is critical. It helps determine whether or not there is any shred of support for Obama’s own claim that Ayers, whose name is clearly toxic for the Obama camp, was “just a guy from the neighborhood.”  And, frankly, all the rest of Obama’s political history in Chicago is pretty meaningless unless one tackles this issue.

The New York Times reported some weeks ago that according to unnamed Obama aides they first met at the fundraiser that Lizza mentions, which took place in the fall of 1995.  Of course, that is wrong because by late 1995 Obama was already chairman of the board of directors of the $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge, recruited to that post by Bill Ayers, co-founder of the Challenge, who himself co-chaired the Chicago School Reform Collaborative which was the operative arm of the Challenge.

The natural follow-up to that question of when Ayers and Obama met is why did Ayers want Obama as chair of the Challenge Board?  Of course the board chair would have to share the values and goals of the Challenge’s leading founder, Bill Ayers.  

And how would Bill Ayers know that the young Mr. Obama, a fresh lawyer out of Harvard, shared his goals and values?  

A job interview?  Not likely.  

The goal of the Annenberg Challenge was to enter intense political warfare – a battle royale over the future of Chicago’s giant, long-troubled public school system. For that kind of battle, as they also say in Chicago, if your enemy brings a knife, you bring a gun.

So Ayers would have been looking for some heavy weaponry as he waded back into the Chicago school wars in 1993 and 1994 through the generosity of Walter Annenberg.

Sure, Richie Daley would shake hands with Bill Ayers down the road – more than that, he would give him the key to the damn city, naming him “Chicagoan of the Year” in 1997. So what? Of course, Daley shook his hand – keep your friends close, your enemies closer.  Again, we explained this some time ago here.

But in 1994, Ayers was at war with Daley.  Daley was attempting to reverse the radical school reform law put in place in 1988 in the wake of an unpopular teachers’ strike.  That reform effort had among its supporters, Bill Ayers, Bill’s power broker father Tom, his brother John and, oh yeah, Barack Obama.  They had all been part of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools, or ABCs, which lobbied heavily for the 1988 reform bill that put in place a new power center in Chicago schools, so-called Local School Councils, of LSCs, to watchdog teachers and principals.

But their impact on student achievement was mixed at best so Daley was angling to re-centralize power in his office. Ayers saw the Annenberg money as a way to pump up support for the LSCs.  And he recruited, of all the possibilities, the young Barack Obama to head up the board of directors of the Challenge in that effort.

It was a huge step up for the young lawyer at a critical point in his political career.  Sure, as Lizza notes, he had run a successful get out the vote campaign in 1991-2 which helped put Carole Mosley Braun into the Senate. But running the Annenberg Challenge put him into another layer of Chicago power and prestige altogether, allowing him to rub shoulders with the most powerful players in the city and yet to do so on behalf of a radical and troubled school reform effort. Picking Obama meant that there had to already have been a strong relationship between Obama and Ayers, perhaps one that dated as far back as the 1987-88 school reform movement.

But the Annenberg Challenge is never once even mentioned by Lizza.  Funny.

Lizza does say in passing that Obama sat on the boards of two liberal foundations but presumably he means the Woods Fund, which was smaller and less controversial than the Annenberg Challenge, and the Joyce Foundation, another small liberal non profit, both of which have been written about extensively.

But that means one key post for Obama is missing – the Annenberg Challenge where he not only was on the board but chaired it and did so from day one.  And was recruited to it by one of the most controversial figures in Chicago politics, Bill Ayers.  They would work closely together on the Challenge for five years, not only handing out the original $49.2 million grant but soliciting another $60 million from Chicago foundations and corporations as well.

Now, for sure, Lizza says Ayers and Obama met after Ayers had been “reborn as an education expert” and accepted into polite society.  God only knows when Lizza thinks that happened but if he meant to date the relationship between Obama and Ayers to 1988 or 1987 then he should say so.  

Of course, as Chicagoans well know, Ayers was not accepted into polite society, he was born into it.  His father, Tom, was the city’s leading business figure for several decades, responsible as far back as the mid-60s for brokering peace between Martin Luther King and Daley the First, and still active in education policy and other issues well into the 1990s. It was Tom who placed Ayers’ wife Dohrn into his one of his law firms, Sidley Austin, where Obama also worked just after Dohrn had left. Dohrn had also gone to law school with Judson Miner, the lawyer who first hired Obama out of Harvard in 1991.

Of course, if Lizza put the Obama-Ayers relationship back as far as the 1987-88 ABCs days, that would contradict the line being put out by the Obama campaign and would open up another wound in the credibility of the Obama machine. At some point those add up, a turning point is reached and the magic wears off. That, surely, is something Lizza clearly and no doubt desperately wants to avoid.

The willful blindness of the liberal left to the origins of Barack Obama’s rise to power, including his close and long standing political relationship to Bill Ayers, is something we have not seen in this country since the run-up to the Iraq war.  That war had Judith Miller, this year’s Presidential campaign has Ryan Lizza.

Making It: How Chicago Shaped Obama – The New Yorker

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Stephen Diamond
Associate Professor of Law
Santa Clara University School of Law

http://www.scu.edu/law/faculty/profile/diamond-stephen.cfm

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See also: LisaB’s “The Making of a Politician

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Stephen….it was, indeed, a gentle piece on Obama. However, the piece pierced one big myth that he’s a Change candidate. Obviously, he’s not.

    One myth at a time…..

    I read the piece, which was long enough, and saw the softer interpretation of his relationships. I personally have questioned the rabid reactions based on his relationships. It’s telling but not compelling, to me anyway.

    Show me where he’s actually DONE any of these radical acts. I see benign neglect more than anything. I see political ambition is the only real consistency in Obama.

    And I thought the piece captured that well.

    No?

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    Prof. Diamond,

    Nice use of the Chicago patois! They saw this kid coming from the bus stop~! A Big Apple Rube with check suit, strawboater and card board suitcase – Lizza got himself put to sleep by career hypnotists –
    ‘Here’s the Real Dope, Junior! It’s all on the level; see? Barry’s the goods! A Boy Scout! His Chinaman, Billy Ayers, thinks he’s Aces! Here, I’ll hang on to your wallet, until the bus comes back for you Ryan. Lizza, that’s Italian ain’t it kid? My Mom’s a Guinea and the Old Man’s a Mojee from Roseland – worked in the Steel Mills in Hegewisch with Barack. Barack can heave slag with the best of ‘em. Here. You might want a Jit for a bag a of candy later. I’ll take care of this wallet, Ryan. I’ll be back around five. Enjoy the River, kid!’

    http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/07/mary-mitchells-race-baiting-is-played.html

  • CB

    http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-panics-andy-martin-s-book-r700482.htm

    New book on Obama that might shatter a bit of his autobiography–BO admits the characters are “composites” It might also explain why his birth certificate is a secret.

  • http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/ timepassages
  • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

    DENVER GROUP INTERVIEW TODAY Your World with Neil Cavuto on FOX, TODAY – at 4 or 4:30

    glad the NY-er is getting airtime

  • Dawnelle

    LOL @ one myth at a time!

    That’s a good one! I’m going to start using that one.

    I see BHO as a recovering addict due to a lifetime of insecurities and bad judgment calls that are only NOW bearing bad fruit!

  • LB

    Great post. Hugely informative. Well-written. And with a proper slap at Ryan Lizza, whose writings and cable appearances make clear is as in the tank for Obama as Olbermann ever was. Journalist? Hah! We don’t let the Faux News folks use that title without argument and so we shouldn’t let tools of the opposite persuasion either.

    Gosh, I wish this post could get wider distribution immediately. I feel like the poster and all of us commenting are just shouting “open your eyes to this fraud, Obama” and most of the Democratic world is not only not listening, but willfully avoiding hearing.

  • avwrobel

    Nice work Steve. But all of this effort to get at truth Obambi is useful if it points to his hideous character. That kind of summary is what will be effective in bringing him down.

  • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

    Who sent Obama is simple. According to Obama, he tried for 1.5 yrs to find work as a community organizer and failed. Finally somethng broke in 1984 when he was hired by the Woods Fund to work for the DSP.
    Needing to connect the dots in every case with Obama, what links all these together? Frank Marshall Davis, Obama’s childhood mentor and first real Black person in his life. The links are here:

    http://obamafact.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-communist-roots.html

    Follow Obama’s path and it is a carbon copy of Davis’s path in many forms.

    Scary part is Ayers and Dohrn are nutcases compared to obama’s mentor Davis!

  • Dawnelle

    I will add that if I thought he had an ounce of remorse for any of his bad choices I’d consider him and what those getting on board are willing to assume………

    I don’t see any repair there
    he’s not even TRYING TO FAKE IT

    GW redux

  • Kirk Tofte

    How could the New Yorker write about Obama and Chicago and hardly mention Rezko? The Rezko indictment and trial gets virtually no critical attention.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    *woohoo!

    Fox is cracking me up. They just keep feeding this fire one stick at a time, eh?

    Now, CNN is covering more. They can’t stand it when Fox one-ups them.

    I’m just THRILLED with PUMA, NQ, and all the rest. I haven’t had this much darn fun in years!

    KUDOS to you all!

    As soon as Hillary’s debt is confirmed as paid off, I know where my own political donations are going.

  • HARP

    I`m sick of Obama`s campaign trying to have it soth ways on Troop withdrawl. Watch the video for comparison.

    For starters, he hails the success of the surge without admitting that he made the wrong call when it was proposed:

    In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda — greatly weakening its effectiveness.

    In January 2007, when it counted, Obama demonstrated his incompetence on military matters. Later, his campaign tried lying about what Obama said to cover it up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vlBgh7KLg

    “We can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops: I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.”

    Obama continues:

    Only by redeploying our troops can we press the Iraqis to reach comprehensive political accommodation and achieve a successful transition to Iraqis’ taking responsibility for the security and stability of their country.

    This is poppycock. Iraq would not be in any position to reach any kind of political accommodation now if we hadn’t remained in Iraq the last two years. The reason Iraq has a shot at this now is because it has a viable army able to impose the will of the central government in areas previously held by militias — and that still relies on American logistical and tactical support, especially air power. Obama notes that General James Dubik says that the army and police will be ready to stand on their own by 2009, but he forgets to mention that the same assessment shows their air force and navy to be years away from viability.

    Does Commander Obama know how critical air power has been to Iraqi efforts in Basra, Mosul, and Amarah? Or how badly the Iraqis will need air competence for its national security?

    We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months.

    Only if we leave our equipment behind. Our combat divisions can’t function properly without their heavy equipment. Obama complains that the military is overstretched, but disarming them and confining them to American bases won’t make us more combat-ready; it will make us less so.

  • Dawnelle

    what happened? do I need to turn on the tv too?

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Because there’s no link to anything much other than hospital deals and the energy stuff.

    It’s pretty weak link stuff. Obama took the money but didn’t deliver a lot back.

    He did deliver some things, don’t get me wrong. His hands are not as clean as some would think.

    But it’s also not scandal stuff, either.

    But then, I’m really skittish of tin-foil theories. I saw that enough during the Clinton years and really hate that kind of thinking.

    Sometimes, smoke ISN’T indicative of a bonfire. Just the usual political small payoff stuff.

    I also don’t think because a company donates that means the candidate endorses the companies policies, either.

    If I never hear another word about Wall-Mart, I’d be happy.

    (But then, I’ve got Wall-Mart stock. *haha)

    Moderate aboard here. Don’t egg me!

  • Heretic

    Outstanding.

    The murderer terrorist bomber, Bill Ayers, who incidentally is NOT a communist but a highly placed intelligence asset of the elite who control this country is the flaming tire that we will hang around the neck of Candidate Barack Obama.

    The truth will be revealed.

    Burn baby, burn!

  • sproutingly

    Excellent article by Steve Diamond.

    I was a disappointed in the New Yorker piece indeed. I kept wondering when Lizza was going to start connecting the dots, but he never did. He had to swerve to avoid Rezko.

    I have been trying to get to The New Yorker’s comments page to leave a message, but it is either overloaded or down for maintenance, they say.

    I still like the cover art and although yes, it is sophisticated oh-so-witty satire (is that arugula on the mantelpiece?) I think that by publishing it the magazine is playing with fire!

  • katmandu

    I agree that Lizza was soft on Obama, but he did uncover some good information, such as Obama’s jettisoning of this poor, black constituents in favor of the latter sippers when the Dems got control of IL redistricting. And I do not see malevolence on Lizza’s part — just lack of research.

    Lizza did us all a big favor a few years ago when he wrote an eye-opening piece on former Sen. Geo. Allen. It helped defeat him.

    New point — on Obama’s economic inexperience. Obama chastised Clinton for being on the board of Wal-Mart. A piece in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, an ultra liberal paper which is also in the home base of Target, lauds Wal-Mart’s employee benefits and contributions to reducing prices for Americans. That’s the problem with knee jerk pols like Obama who no nothing of eocnomics — they do a lot of economic damage.

    http://www.startribune.com/local/25130494.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:6

  • basil

    I’m afraid the New Yorker cover is another strategically dropped bomb by the Odrama campaign; get the smears to the public now in time for everyone to forget by November. It’s just too friggin’ coincidental for me. First the JJ comments dominating the news for a couple of days and now the NY cover, each designed to elicit sympathy for poor innocent Odrama and keep the spotlight off his FISA flip-flop and all his other ever-shifting positions.
    How DARE the New Yorker slander him?
    How DARE JJ criticize him?

    Remember, the Fight the Smears site was launched just a couple of weeks ago.
    This is just another in a series of highly effective diversionary tactics, IMHO.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    No, another interview of PUMA, that’s all.

  • txchelle

    Letter today from Plouffe:

    [Your Name Here] —

    The McCain campaign is bragging that they are out-raising and out-spending us.

    By collecting huge checks from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs, they raised more money than ever before in June. Combined with the Republican National Committee, they now have more than $95 million in cash on hand.

    I recorded a short video in my office about what we are up against. Now is the time to step up and make your first donation to help us close the gap.

    Please watch the video and make a donation of $25 now:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/stepup

    Together, we have already accomplished so much in this campaign. But we cannot take it for granted.

    This grassroots movement won’t just happen on its own. It’s up to you to make it happen.

    Thanks,

    David

    David Plouffe
    Campaign Manager
    Obama for America

    Well, if it’s up to me, then it’s not going to happen. I vote NO! (And I’m keeping my money.) But I predict another flip-flop in the near future … public financing will be looking pretty good to the Obama campaign in a couple of weeks.

  • http://heroesforhillary.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/new-yorker-magazine-obama-cover/ The New Yorker Magazine Obama Cover « Heroes for Hillary

    [...] No Quarter USA: The Three Blind Men and the Elephant: The New Yorker on Obama [...]

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    basil……Obama doesn’t own the New Yorker.

    This one bugs him badly, because he’s afraid that people will say, “Truth in that pic.”

    Which a lot of posters here did just that.

    There’s no way he staged this.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Lizza Drank the Kool-Aid!

  • blech

    Well, I think your elephant metaphor is apt, because what I see is that Obama knows how to build relationships and compromise to pass legislation. In other words, he is an experienced legislator with strong political skills.

    I wouldn’t want to elect someone who didn’t know how to reach across the aisle to accomplish things. And that is exactly what Obama promises and has demonstrated — going beyond blue and red for solutions – maybe not perfect solutions, but not gridlock.

  • blech

    Of course Fox is covering this. They want to elect Republicans.

  • HARP

    “But I predict another flip-flop in the near future … public financing will be looking pretty good to the Obama campaign in a couple of weeks.”
    ………….. Is there A TIME LIMIT FOR HIM TO SWITCH BACK?

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Time to send Dean some more old shoes. :)

  • roseeriter

    Could you please prove his experience?

    I don’t see any!

    NOBAMA!

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Yippee! This is a true bi-partisanship unity pony basking in mutual goals.

  • AF catfish

    To date, I have not seen a single column by Lizza that explains why he landed a position at the venerable New Yorker. He broke scant ground in his latest piece, he merely tied together and verified what’s already been reported in Barack Obama and Me from the Houston Press alt weekly. He wrote one piece Iron Lady that early on acknowledged how much better of a candidate Hillary was, but at this point it was a bit too late.

    Also Lizza has appeared on Chris Matthews and becomes easily tongue-tied.

    He must be a family friend of David Remnick. A product of meritocracy Lizza is not. No wonder he’s in the tank for Obama.

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    Lizza couldn’t find a Chinaman on 22nd Street – to keep the Chicago themed patterlively.

    He couldn’t find Lake Michigan from a sand bar.

    Lizza, look for the River Pixies in Bubbly Creek over by there!

    Ryan, Go East on Ashland and then North and South on 79th Street – the story is there, Kiddo, Honest Injun! Can I say that?

    ( Mr. Lizza, you were going Forty Dollars over the posted speed limit . . . what are we going to do about this? . . .I’ll be right back.)

    Sure, Ryan, everyone tips a cop here in Chicago! Leave a Hun-do in his hat. He’ll be thrilled!

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    EXCELLENT article filled with food for thought [and dissemination], but that New Yorker article is old news already on the news that Bush is going to lift the ban on offshore drilling. I predict that in the face of growing consumer angst, Obama flips positions on this matter as well and says drilling is a good idea. Wait for it…

  • agent77

    Just like Rev Wright came out and made a show of himself so Obama could distance himself from Wright, then that priest mocked Hillary allowing Obama to drop the church.

    PROOF:
    1. Obama told Rendell that he had won the nomination before the Penn primary and that Rendell had better not do anything to hurt Obama. Obama knew he had the nomination and so wanted to get the voters used to and bored of the Wright issue.

    2. The priest came out right before N Carolina–where Obama had a big win for sure with the large black pop. The priest is a friend of Obama’s–the priest himself boasted that he was a ‘go between’ Wright and Obama talking to both via cell phone after the fallout from the Wright press conferences.

    3. Both the Priest and Wright knew that everything said in the church was being recorded for potential media use since April 08 and Wright knew that his acting like a buffoon was going to draw attention. Wright is not a buffoon but a powerful preacher in a huge popular church. Wright cannot be just a simple arrogant fool like Obama and the media made him out to be.

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    Excuse me. I meant “growing consumer/VOTER angst…”

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    I guess blech didn’t read the part where Obama was given bills that others had worked years on and Oblahma got the credit.

  • fred

    Democrats Don’t Care About You

    Public Service Announcement: You don’t need political analysts; just read the news. Singular lines of news suffice at times. You are now in the post-analytic age. Here is a one-liner from a Yahoo! News piece on the recent passage of the Snoops-R-Us bill in the Senate: “Obama ended up voting for the final bill, as did Specter.”

    That one sentence tells you all you need to know about where Obama and most Democrats stand on the issue of civil liberties and what political leaders are not willing to do to protect those liberties. Now, that should be enough to make you withdraw your support from Obama’s presidency — if, that is, you still have illusions about the Democrats in general, and Barak Obama in this round of Anybody-But-Bush/McCain.

    “What?” says you, “And let McCain win the election?”

    To that it must be said: What on earth is the difference when the Democratic presidential nominee, during the election campaign, votes in the same way as a right-wing Republican not just on any bill, but on a bill curtailing people’s civil liberties?
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • TeakWoodKite

    Steve Diamond,

    Have you contacted the author?

    God only knows when Lizza thinks that happened but if he meant to date the relationship between Obama and Ayers to 1988 or 1987 then he should say so.

    If Bill Ayers wanted someone as chair he coulds “trust”, it is a reasonable possibility that they met in NYC when BO was at CU, and Bill was teaching there. His class transcripts are sealed. Frank Marshall would have told BO about his relationship his Ayers Sr. and his kids… He would have told BO to look Bill Ayers up if he was in town. It is my position that when BO first arrived in NY he did not stay “across the street in an alleyway” from his eastside tenament, but that he “crashed” at Bill Ayers place until he got settled. That would put his meeting Ayers in to the early 80′s. When it came to selecting the Annenburg chair, BO and Ayers new each other for sometime prior to the time you site.

  • blech

    That’s because the prosecutor found no link between the Rezko charges and Obama. Surely you don’t expect the NYer to make things up.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Oh for the love of JEBUS!
    Give it a rest Blech!
    This man has done NOTHING! Nothing in Illinois and NOTHING in the Senate! No matter how hard you try, you will NEVER make this frog into a prince!

  • wodiej

    If I understand what you’re saying you think it is ok that Obama associates w these people like Wright and Ayers because he is not the one actually doing the acts?

  • basil

    Anninca,

    I hope you’re right. I just don’t trust anything about this campaign. If the New Yorker published the cover as a satirical comment on how out-of-touch the non-believers, aka heretics, are, and didn’t anticipate both the backlash and the fact it might be misinterpreted then they’re REALLY stupid!!!!!!!

    It seems BM is continually shifting the focus off Waffles policies and back to him being a victim; of the right-wing, white Americans, HRC, his parents, etc.

  • YoMammaDon’tLikeObama

    How long before the New Yorker pulls their magazine cover due to Obama complaints or provides a beautiful cover of Obama and Michelle?

  • Dawnelle

    it’s this “flat earth” thing

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    The Miss Universe pageant is higher up in the list of “most popular” articles (#3) on CNN’s list while the New Yorker cover article is #8. The offshore drilling article is #1. I’m telling you, this is the subject that will crush Obama at the polls. That is, unless he makes that giant flip flop.

  • Dawnelle

    women that have lined up and tried to KISS THAT FROG and failed

    Claire
    Kathleen
    Caroline
    Janet
    who am I missing?

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7503649.stm

    more german politicians upset with Baracktrack holding rally in germany…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • Dawnelle

    msnbo was just talking about how bad it was

  • In Vino Veritas

    In today’s NY TImes, Obama submitted a guest commentary on his plan for Iraq. Read it, he is practically claiming he is responsible for the success of the surge and it is now time to declare victory and just pack up and leave. Then says that has always been his position. The pack up and leave part has at least, but he grossly mischaracterizes Maliki’s statements on the negotiations of the security agreement to place US troops under Iraqi sovereign command and control once the occupation formally ends this November on the leaving part to support his own pack it up now position.

  • txchelle

    I don’t know if there is a deadline. I will look it up.

    I would guess that his campaign has already done the things that they would have had to agree not to do to receive public financing and have therefore already disqualified his campaign from receiving matching funds.

    But I bet they’ll be kicking themselves in the near future about the decision to opt out.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Wanna place some bets on it YO?

    I say he will get an apology before dinner tonight…They ( meaning Obama’s peeps ) are probably on the phone right now threatening a Boycott or something along those lines…It is the professional whiners that are probably “Screaming” about it now! Now that they threw Jesse Jackson under the bus, they can’t go to Opertion Push for their Blackmail anymore!

    I just checked my blog and I got some NASTY reactions to my BOJANGLES comparisons…

    I don’t care….That is what Obama is….Mr. Bojangles!

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Not that we know of yet….never underestimate the power of Patrick Fitzgerald, my personal hero.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

    “Obama didn’t do anything for German unification,” Mr Huber said.
    “That’s not a criticism, but as a result there is no reason to grant him such a privilege,” he told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper.

    Mr Huber is the head of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the sister party to Mrs Merkel’s conservative Christian Democratic Union. The leader of the CSU traditionally plays a prominent role on the national political scene in Germany.

    Mr Obama’s suggestion has created a political row in Germany.
    Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, of the centre-left Social Democrats, has welcomed the idea of Mr Obama speaking at the gate.
    Mr Steinmeier and Mrs Merkel are likely to face each other in an election next year.

    The Brandenburg Gate is a symbol of Germany’s division and reunification
    Berlin city officials have also said they would be delighted if Mr Obama spoke at the Brandenburg Gate. They would have the ultimate say over whether to grant him permission.

    Mrs Merkel said earlier in the week that she would not like to see the historical landmark used for “electioneering”.

  • http://thevote.abc13.com tomabrahams

    read more about the anti-obama movement:

    http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/whats-a-puma-1.html

  • Dawnelle

    sorry catching up

    Hey Sugar Sugar!!!

    What will? the FISA thing?

    And did you get to hear the radio thing last night or this morning? It was GREAT!!! :-)

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Good Morning Dawn!
    ;-)

  • OBSP

    What? Who did he work accoss party lines with in Springfield. Ask Ricky Hendon, how he took his bills and caled them his. Please get it, this man was manufactured by Emil Jones and Rick Daley. Both who never could get anything from Bill Clinton. If fact, Rich is close to W so what does that tell you about his product.

  • blech

    Read the New Yorker article. It’s 15,000 words so it will take some time.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Oblama’s hindsight is 20/20 you gotta give him that.

  • OBSP

    Big O!

  • blech

    He doesn’t have a position at the NYer. He’s written a free-lance piece.

  • tampagurl

    Well, I think your elephant metaphor is apt, because what I see is that Obama knows how to build relationships and compromise to pass legislation. In other words, he is an experienced legislator with strong political skills.

    Wow…I mean really wow. I can’t believe you just said that. Did you just fall off the turnip truck?

  • MrMike

    Or Lizza was already in the tank for Obama and a willing partner in the regurgitation of the meme.

  • blech

    So the conservative party in Germany doesn’t like Obama – What a shock.

  • Zee

    Great post!

    This is the kind of article the “reality based” community should be wanting to read instead of all the WAILING and CRYBABYING they are doing over this NewYorker cover…

  • Susan

    Wow! You better get to the kool aid rehab quick! I fear for your life with you having those kinds of hallucinations!

    McCain knows how to reach across the isle. Ofraudma only knows how to reach into the pockets of poor people to take from them and give to his rich friends (who got rich from that pocket money).

    Robin hood-takes from the rich and give to the poor.
    Hood Robin, AKA Barack Obama-takes from the poor and gives to the rich!

  • blech

    Where’s your screaming about McCain throwing Gramm “under the bus”? Gramm is the architect of McCain’s economic strategy and now McCain doesn’t know from him.

  • roseeriter

    I read it. Nothing there of any value regarding experience. Maybe you need to re-read.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    LOL*…..link?

    That’s rich!

    Bush was prepared, I’m convinced, to let Hillary take credit for pulling out. I’m also convinced he overbuilt the troops there for just this reason.

    Now that Obama is the nominee, he’s reversing course. HE’LL start the troop pull-out and emasculate the Dem argument.

    Bush isn’t nearly as stupid as the faux-progressives think.

    And McCain will benefit, which is why he’s been careful to walk the line with Bush.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Here’s something to piss off the BamaBots!

    Obama-bin-fakin
    Obama-Bin-Lying
    Obama-Bin-Flippin
    Obama-Bin-Posing
    Obama-Bin-Nasty
    Obama-Bin-Shady

    OBamaBots….Feel free to use anyone of these as you se fit. They describe your “Light-Bringer” to a Tee!

  • MrMike

    To paraphrase “You don’t bring a spork to a gun fight” you use what ever means to get your message out.

  • Zee

    Hillary HAS been doing this from day one in the Senate…meanwhile, Obama the Uniter has proven to be as big a divider as Bush.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    wow, thank you for that insightful comment. I will ponder and reflect on it until I can extrap any meaningful content…..hmmm..seems like the usual obamabully tactic. Think pretty highly of yourself do ya belch? Apple doesn’t fall far from it’s messaih.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    You must have me confused with someone who gives a damn about McCain!
    I am NOT a Repignican so go whine to someone who gives a poop!

  • Dawnelle

    I want a PURPLE PUMA bumper sticker!!!! ArghHHHHHHHH!

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Where can WE get those Dawn?
    I would like one of those myself!

  • Dawnelle

    Pahahaha I HATE SPORKS!!! roflol!

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    ROFLMAO!

  • Dawnelle

    but he lost didn’t he?

    I still like him. I just wish someone was IN JAIL!!

  • Independent voter

    AnninCA,

    Yes.
    One myth at a time. Great phrase, great plan.

    Hopefully now other media outlets will start to get real. One myth, one publication, one news show at a time.
    The cumulative effect could be powerful.

  • http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia Spiegel

    Great post! Thank you!

  • Zee

    lol, funny nym!

    How long before Ubermann spittles out a special comment on this?

  • Dawnelle

    HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY

    I just said that a few nights ago in here!

    “wouldn’t it be just LIKE W to mess up BOTH McCain and Obama and bring them home now but I also asked if there was time for that before NOV”

    YOU and I think very much alike

  • joe

    One other issue the article touched on is his relationship to the current administration in Springfield of Governor Blagojevich. The article quotes Rahm Emanuel saying that he and Obama werer part of a small group that met weekly do map out and plan strategy for the 2002 election. The current Governor is “Public Official A” in the Tony Rezko/Operation Board Games trials and will be indicted sometime in the not too distant future.

    The fact that Obama was a “key player” in the 2002 election is a new revelation and one that should not go unnoticed by the MSM. The Democrat Speaker of the House, Mike Madigan (who is also Chairman of the Illinois Democratic Party), has raised the issue of impeachment. What is Obama’s position on these issues? Do you support the impeachment of your Governor? Do you support the Chairman of your state party and the Speaker of the House or do you support your Governor and poltical ally, Rod Blagojevich? These are the questions the MSM should start asking and hopefully they will. If BHO gets bogged down in the morass that is Illinois state politics now, he will never recover.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Well, what I have concluded is that Obama used the liberal links in Chicago to further his career, and that included Rezko and Ayers. He needed money.

    Notice that a lot of the Chicago “Independents,” which were the AA group, don’t get beyond City or State positions. Why? Money.

    Obama is ambitious. He was bored with state politics. (I thought the article drew attention to that well. He’s bored with debates. He’s bored with policies. He really is all about adulation for him.)

    So yeah….I think the fears about his connections here are overblown. I agree with the author that he’s really very right of left. He used the faux-progressives. They are tools.

    Who he never really wins over are people like me. Moderates. We aren’t cynical enough to buy into BS.

    In my opinion, we’re still the chipper Americans who believe that there are real solutions to real problems, and we don’t like BS artists who play on fear and guilt. We don’t get caught up in “Omigod, a lobbyist contributed! Shame! Shame!” We don’t really buy into “He divorced his wife! Shame! Shame!”

    We see cheap shots as they are, and there are plenty coming from anti-Obama folks.

    Moderate here. I don’t buy into that on either side.

    I am firmly in step with PUMA. The primary was rigged. That’s wrong. That has won my undying support.

    Ayers and Rezko? Nah* Wright? Yep.

    I don’t care that Wright wasn’t really his mentor. I care that we have a candidate who sold a fairytale.

    I hope that makes my own position clearer, because I sense I’ll be a bit on the edge for awhile here.

    I am definitely anti-Obama, but probably for different reasons than some.

  • Zee

    You’ve already SAID that. Do they pay you per post even if it’s the SAME post?

    Oh, that’s right….I’ve seen you slugs spam an ENTIRE THREAD with the same phrase when the Obamaborg Collective is REALLY desperate to derail a topic.

  • Dawnelle

    and btw

    if that’s his plan

    it’s the FIRST ONE I’m A-OK with!

    Bring em HOME NOW!!! ANY WAY EXCEPT IN A BODY BAG!!!

  • MrMike

    If you read about Fitzgerald’s prosecution Scooter Libby you would know he keeps his cards close until he has completed his investigation.
    Why do you think Rezko’s sentencing isn’t until September though he was convicted in June?

  • tampagurl

    LMAO

  • joe

    It might be worth a read, but I’ve said this before here, and I’ll say it again: Andy Martin is an anti-semite and an all around bigot. He’s a conspiracy nut bar and has very little credibility left. Take it for what it’s worth.

  • Dawnelle

    SO are you saying you think Wright will make another appearance?

    (here’s hoping his ego won’t let him be quiet)

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I’m CA. It’s not going to crush him here.

    We’re all for off-shore drilling in FL. *haha

    Seriously, we are very worried here about our views. LOL*

    It’s not the long-term effects. McCain is right. Hurricane Katrina proved it.

    It’s about our views. :)

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Or…maybe they don’t like political hacks using their country or their monuments as props.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    right how many times do we have to tell these bots MCCAIN IS NOT OUR CANDIDATE!

  • Susan

    So much for that great uniter myth! I always knew it was a myth. I never understood people who said it. i would say, What? Who? They had no answers. Just like answers for his accomplishments.

    Zero uniting
    zero accomplishments
    zero=Obama

  • btintaos

    AnninCa–benign neglect? There’s no such thing. The word neglect implies that a consequence of an act has been suffered by someone, which would mean that the intention wasn’t benign. I think you mean either plain old neglect, or oversight of some kind. That said, I think it’s neither. I think he’s COMPLICIT. And being complicit to wrongdoing is just as bad as “doing the wrongdoing.”

  • Dawnelle

    oh for pete sake how could I forget the Queen O

    chuckle

    cuz she’s been sooooooooo uncharacteristically QUIT ABOUT THE ONE!

    *crickets*

  • Dawnelle

    quiet

  • TeakWoodKite

    :)

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    The trouble with the one myth at a time argument is that by the time one myth gets debunked, his campaign has already made 10 more to take it’s place.

  • joe

    The reall issue between those two is the house deal. I have been looking at that for a year now and it just smells rotten. And it’s way too complicated. You could write a book about how to game the system in Chicago based on this transaction. It had everything: real estate, finances, inside dealings on the zoning board and landmark commissions, and a politician profiting big-time from a shady business associate who knew (or thought)he would make his money back, and then some. If the sellers ever went on the record, Obama would be toast.

    I wonder if the sellers of the home have ever been interviewed by the FBI or if they have been called to testify in front of the grand jury. My guess would be yes to at least one of those scenarios, and it also helps explains why the sellers would not want to directly talk to the media. Like I said, something smells really bad when you begin to look at that deal, and the more you look, the more pungent the odor.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    I think so too. His relationship to Blagojevich may be more harmful to him than Rezco. Blaggie may be the canary that sings.

  • wodiej

    we’ll have to disagree on that. A person w values wouldn’t associate w people like that for any reason. “We’re judged by the company we keep”….

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    That’s OK. Your standard is good. I just think AA politicians do have a bit of a harder row to plow for donations.

    They aren’t going to have the luxury of turning down fundraisers.

    (Neither do mainstream politicians until they reach a certain point.)

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Well if we ever suffer “the big one” and california ends up breaking in two, those farmers in the central valley with their oil wells pumping will have the last laugh, and the view! :)

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Countdown to Keith….There he blows!!!

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I think it’s all on the table now. His change meme is dead.

    I think the idea that he is different is already understood. Now, those who drank the kool-aid can’t admit it. It’s like talking someone into admitting they actually stayed on a call from a sex pervert!

    But I think that myth is dead.

    So is the notion he didn’t know Wright was a kook. He glad-handed at Trinity for connections. He’s not even really that Christian, which is fine with me, btw.

    That makes his faith-based initiatives a bit of a joke. He’ll probably drop that.

    His protests here over the cover aren’t really ringing true to me. Are they to you? It’s more fake outrage.

    So we’re into the real season, I think.

    And Bush has delivered a big blow. Troop pull-outs.

    His Latinos support? So soft they cheered when Hillary was mentioned.

    He’s dived to the right, hoping to pick up mad Republicans. It’s pissed off his base to no end.

    He’s on the run.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    FROM>>>>Taylor Marsh!!!

    Unfortunately, taking ourselves too seriously is now what many do. Anger and hatred blinds. So now a fight has broken out between No Quarter and Balloon Juice. Anti Obama versus Pro Obama, pitted to the death via posts about satire, comics and the meaning of misogyny. Thers stops in to authenticate and validate.

    Then this tidbit>>>>>>>>
    Though I’m not sure what the hell this means:

    About 15 minutes later, Obama tried to smooth things over with a joke of his own.

    “We can’t afford to be divided by race. We can’t afford to be divided by region or by class and we can’t afford to be divided by gender, which by the way, that means, Bernie, you’ve got to clean up your act next time,” Obama said. “This is a family affair. By the way, I’m just messing with you, man.”

    Huh? “This is a family affair. By the way, I’m just messing with you, man.” So is Obama saying we can’t be divided, or that it’s all a joke? Maybe that’s why No Quarter got confused.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I guess the writers and posters here at No Quarter are confused as to Bernie Mac’s intentions? Is that how I am reading this?

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Bingo, Dawn……

    I’m very willing to have the surge work. I think both sides are exaggerating, but I’m not into pulling out prematurely.

    However, I’m looking for some real movement here to get out.

    We have too many domestic issues now to afford a protracted war. We either find a way to exit slowly and gracefully, or we’re the next Russia, drained of our resources and defeated economically.

  • Hank Collins

    Good news from Huffington Post:

    Precious has “fundraising woes”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/14/obama-campaign-manager-ai_n_112558.html

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I see it differently. Obama again didn’t handle
    Wright right.

    Right busted him.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Gee….
    i used to frequent Taylor’s blog regularly. Now I find it just another “Kool-Aid” out here in the wastelands!

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Meant…”Kool-Aid Stand”

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    I understand you point but the “change” train has been running for some time. It would be nice if his real political slimy self could get vetted. For example, if Greta coulc get Nancy Polosi on again and pull a Tim Russert, showing her the comment “he’s fresh” as his major, and apparently only qualification for POTUS. Then read her exerpts from the New Yorker piece and get a comment. Will that happen? Probably not.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Rezco is in jail.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    lol*……so true

  • Dawnelle

    sounds like HILLARY’s plan!!

    RISE HILLARY RISE!!

  • joe

    If he goes down, he is the kind of person who will not be content unless everyone goes down with him. I don’t even think it will take a conviction or indictment. Impeachment might get him to start squaking to take attention of himself. He’s already started doing it: at an event the other day, the Governor took a reporter aside and berated him for not coverning the scandals surrounding Speaker Madigan and Mayor Daley more coverage and scrutiny. That press conference, BTW, really rattled the Governor and he damn near had a meltdown while reporters got a rare chnace to question him about the scandal. It’s worth the listen:
    http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Content.aspx?audioID=26342

    **Note: It’s an unfiltered clip. Go to the 16 min mark and listen for a couple of minutes, and then go to the 21 minute mark and listen on.

    The best quote: “Let me tell you something, I know the truth of things and I have nothing to fear but the truth, OK?”

    It’s amazing this guy ever got elected to any office. What an imbecile!!!

  • Dawnelle

    oh this nyr cover is gonna make him go postal (or MORE POSTAL) lol

    I may have to tune in to watch

    hasn’t be been gone on “vacation”

    maybe he’s having a mental breakdown cuz his BFF died and everyone is PICKING ON BARRYYYYYYYYYYYY!

    WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Taylor Marsh confuses me. She is a contradiction of her former self. Whatever that was.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Yeah, but that’s all it is….

    A deal on one house. Obama has the weight of commonsense on this one. It’s just a house.

    He calls it, “bone-headed.”

    He allowed a lot to happen in his district. Rezko got a “look the other way.” He got his people on hospital boards. He got a pass on energy bills that benefitted snakes.

    That’s clear. Obama is not clean.

    The house? It’s small potatoes. But Obama clearly isn’t also like the governor. He was smart enough or didn’t have the power to get caught up in the worst of the Rezko deal.

    Now? He doesn’t need Rezko or that type. He’s now officially “legitimate.” He can take the money and not offer a promise in return. He’s arrived.

    Politicians play this game. We can all blog about “Ain’t it awful” till our fingers drop off.

    The pundits have THIS one right. The solution was Campaign Finance Reform, which Obama threw under the bus. That’s the real deal, in my opinion.

    Until we take the stinger out of obscene money winning elections, we will have these “scandals.”

    Obama is just a self-promoting politician. He’s not for the people. He may grow into that if he wins. Stranger things have happened in politics.

    I’m not an Obama-hater, obviously.

    I am very, very opposed to the Democratic Party tactics of this year. Very opposed.

    I won’t even take the risk on Obama because of the way he won.

    But I’m personally hoping that if he pulls this rabbit out of the hat, it will be a rabbit and not a gorilla.

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Those bots had better start switching from kool aid to lemonade because that’s what they’re gonna have to try and make out of their messiah. They need to start scrambling for the recipe.

  • txchelle

    From a cursory review of the regulations and forms, it doesn’t appear that there is a particular date beyond which a presidential candidate becomes ineligible to receive matching funds for the general election once he/she has been determined eligible by the FEC. (I also don’t see a specific form that a candidate must file in order to opt out of public financing.)

    Matching funds are dispursed monthly during the election year (2008) in response to a candidate’s monthly request for matching funds.

    However, the candidate must abide by specific rules and practices and if he/she does not do so, the candidate becomes ineligible.

    There are also guidelines for repayment of public funds if a candidate who has received matching funds becomes ineligible for one reason or another.

    I suppose theoretically Obama could submit a request to receive matching funds for July (on August 1), but I doubt he has abided by the rules and practices.

    That said, I am by no means an expert in this subject matter. So please take that into consideration. :)

  • Sassy

    Integrity is in short supply with politicians…I don’t mean an empty noun, I mean that “gut” feeling about what is right, even honorable! I have seen no evidence that “O” has that! He has drifted from one rung of the ladder to the next by using any means necessary, and with the least effort on his part! If he were serious about being President, he could have waited 8 years, learning every possible connection between America and the world! He sure as “hail” would not have slandered party elders who could tutor him!

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Well, Larry launched his radio program.

    Makes sense that TM would rataliate.

    She’s history for now.

  • Sally

    Ho ho ho. The New Yorker is in the tank for BO and didn’t think the cover would be seen by anyone but their readers, perhaps assuming most of them are also in the tank for BO. I daresay the MSM will (unhelpfully and unwittingly) expose low-information voters to the cover thus verifying to them that BO and MO are as bad or worse than the non-supporters thought they were.

    (Check The Daily Howler for past postings on his low opinion of Lizza’s journalistic skills which matches mine.)

  • Dawnelle

    ((Dragon)) was that pour moi?

  • Dawnelle

    oo I apologize you are correct!

  • joe

    Fitzy NEVER loses. He has a 100% conviction rate on public corruption cases. He lost on 6 of 24 counts — the counts which were most directly tied to Governor Blagojevich — but Rezko will still get sentenced to at least 20 years on this case alone. He also has another trial on different charges scheduled for early 2009 and an outstanding charge in Nevada. So, unless he flips and spills the beans on Blagojevich, Daley, Obama, and every other pol he ever knew, he WILL BE in prison for a long time.

  • joe

    In Chicago, they don’t need no stinkin rabbits or gorillas. What he will be pulling out of that hat for him and his cronies is crisp, green money. The Outfit is loving this: one of their own Chicago pols as President. Time for them to open up shop again, since Pat Fitz has pretty much shut it down. And the Teamsters — they are part of the same game. Open up the Teamsters and the Outfit again. That’s change Obama believes in.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Hehehe..yes for you Dawn!

    Anyway…
    Taylor has really become a shadow of her former self. It is quite sad though. She IS a strong voice for the Sisters out here. Speaking as a Man, ;-)

    I really am disappointed in how quick she flipped though. Now she and her somewhat diminished following are lashing out at anyone who dares to ask her why she capitulated so easily , after all she was a fierce critic of Obama-bin-pimping! Sad that her site only now gets a fraction of what it used to.
    Oh Hell! I would be happy with the small fraction she gets! LMAO!

  • AF catfish

    That would be news to the magazine:

    Ryan Lizza, is the chief Political correspondent for The New Yorker magazine.

  • http://globallabor.blogspot.com/ Steve Diamond

    By act do you mean the act of supporting and implementing the education policies of Bill Ayers in the 1980s and 1990s while chairing the Annenberg Challenge?

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Dawn….

    I posted a pic of that F*** Obama shirt on my blog. I was thinking about auctioning it off for some web funds. What do you guys think? Anyone interested?
    LOL

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Yup…….that was telling, for sure.

    Taylor is all about Taylor.

    Just like Obama.

    Bad judgement.

    You have to move any site slowly. You do that by selection of articles.

    It’s naive when sites announce a new direction.

    Talk Left did the same. They announced they are anti-Puma.

    OK……..

    So I don’t bother going there. They aren’t discussing anything relevant to me.

    Plus, I am a a product of a career corporate gal here. Anyone who is so ideological that they announce crapola automatically gets a downtick mark.

    Sites that gravitate through gradual measures?

    That’s the ticket.

    I want to discuss the real issues with non-nuts.

    It’s that simple.

    It’s hard to find that on the net, which is also why I think the netroots don’t deserve the power they would like to think they have.

    They aren’t reasonable.

    So give me balanced writers, and we can talk.

    Now, this will sting some here, but if you keep on with the birth certificate nonsense, you will lose moderates like me.

    I’m not interested in that kind of tin-foil hat obsession.

    OK…..I spit it out.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    I would like to see where this leads myself. Although as I sit here at this moment…I honestly do not think it will go anywhere. I sat down this morning and read all I could find about it. I can understand how you can get burned out on this story. Thise that are researching this story need to stay focused and not let themselves be dragged into the gutter by innuendo and hearsay.

    It will only serve as ammunition for those that hate what we stand for. But, on the other hand, if it is a well researched inquiry, as TexasDarlin has done ( and a hand full of others) than the tree ca be shaken to produce desired results.

    My view. Others may differ! It is like that Larry Sinclair story. I want SOLID proof, not innuendo and rumor. that is the only way to avoid looking like an ass when you spaek about it.

    Again…My view!

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Just kiddin on the auction…I wouldn’t part with this shirt. My daughter would kill me! LOL

  • C.S.

    Precisely the qualities we need in a president right now.

    ~”I see benign neglect more than anything.”~

    With our economy collapsing around us; two going on three Middle Eastern wars devouring our military; Putin’s Russia flexing its muscles; Mother Nature showing us whose really the boss; and health care in such shambles that we watch security tape videos of patients’ death throes on the internet while patients and professionals stroll by. Oh, yes a leader who can project an air of benign neglect is exactly what We the People are hoping for!

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    catfish, don’t confuse belch with the facts. They give him a headache.

  • ndree

    Machiavellian….one must admit. I used to change channels when GWB was on; now I do the same when BO is on. Interesting to see how GWB has FINALLY grown into his role!

  • http://deleted imustprotest

    Yep, plus any kind of inquiry into this guy throws him off his “game” which shows just how not-ready-for-prime-time he is…he has a glass jaw. Definately no leadership qualities and not the person we need right now as POTUS.

  • andySF

    Can’t you tell the difference between disrespect of American in general and disrespect to a person name Obama? If you throw people under the bus for being critical of you, theen you are just a hot head with big ego.

  • Patti

    Now why would he throw him there? That is the Barakarama bus.

  • C.S.

    I have a problem with an autobiography; defined as a written history of a person’s life; containing composites of those people supposedly a part of that person’s life. It not only misleads the reader but it denigrates the people in your life that you “composited”. And who were these composites? Did he combine his mother and his white grandmother with his favorite step-grandmother to make a character? Or perhaps his mysterious birth certificate is a composite of many birth certificates which is why he can’t produce an original copy.

    Obama supporter Oprah Winfrey certainly made her feelings known about fake autobiographies, when she publicly denounced and chastised James Frey for his faked bio “A Million Little Pieces”. I’m sure a denouncement of fake Obama will be coming any day now…oh, I forgot for a moment, Obama is the standard for the double standard whether it’s autobiographies or delegates.

  • ndree

    Obama-bin-hiding
    Obama-bin-ducking

    ….from debates with the real McCoy!!!

  • Bigtime

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Having said that , what I hate worse about the Mess we call Obama/DNC/RBC, is I now read/listen to authors/pundits I have always despised as right-wing nuts. Distorted reality since May 31st 2008.

  • Gary McGowan

    The rot extends far beyond Chicago.

    In late 2006, George Soros, the British empire/Wall Street gatekeeper of the Left, vetted Senator Barack Obama’s potential Presidential candidacy on behalf of financier oligarchs. Soros then introduced Obama to a selected financier group, and Obama soon afterwards announced he would seek the White House.

    Soros’s involvement with Obama’s brief national political career had begun two years earlier with Soros fundraising for Obama’s campaign for U.S. senate, and continued through the 2007 Presidential campaign launch with huge fundraising operations by Soros and his circle.

    SOROS AND OBAMA – A Preliminary chronology

    2004: The London-Wall Street axis singled out Obama, then an Illinois state senator, as their “Rising Star” in U.S. politics. The Rockefellers’ family political agency known as the League of Conservation Voters endorsed Obama in the Democratic U.S. senate primary, ran TV ads on the Rising Star theme, and directly funded Obama’s national career manager, consultant David Axelrod.

    Obama’s opponent in the Democratic primary, Blair Hull, was a self-financed millionaire, so Obama used the “millionaires’ exception” to the campaign finance law to take $12,000 each from donor, six times the ordinary limit at that time. Thus nearly half of his $5 million primary funding came from 300 donors.

    George Soros raised $60,000 of this Obama funding, with his own donations and those he procured from his family. Soros reportedly met with Obama first in March — a mere state senator, Obama was the only candidate in the country with whom Soros met personally during the 2004 election cycle, according to Soros spokesman Michael Vachon (quoted by CNS News, July 27, 2004). On June 7, 2004, Obama was in Soros’ New York home for an Obama campaign fundraising event.

    December 4, 2006: Obama met with George Soros in Soros’ mid-town Manhattan office. After an hour interview, Soros took Obama into a conference room where a dozen plutocrats waited to talk with Obama. Key among them were UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland/Swiss Bank) U.S. chief Robert Wolf, and hedge fund manager Orin Kramer.

    December, 2006, a week later, Robert Wolf had dinner in Washington D.C. with Barack Obama to map out campaign strategy.

    Early January, 2007: Obama announced his Presidential candidacy. The New York Times announced that candidate Obama had nailed the support of two highest-level Democratic fundraisers: George Soros and Robert Wolf. By mid-April, 2007, Wolf had raised $500,000 for Obama.

    Mid-January, 2007: Wolf ran a dinner for Obama in Washington, with potential bundlers Jim Torrey, Brian Mathis, Jamie Rubin, and (again, from the original Soros meeting) Orin Kramer.

    Early March, 2007: There were two fundraisers by Wolf and one by Edgar Bronfman, Jr.

    Mid-March, 2007: George Soros began a staged dance with Obama. Writing in the New York Review of Books, Soros denounced the rightist Israeli lobby, AIPAC.

    March 21, 2007: Continuing the dance, the Obama campaign rebutted Soros (as in, “Obama distances himself from Soros”), and denounced the Hamas movement.

    April 9, 2007: An Obama fundraising party for the New York elite was held at the home of financier Steven Gluckstern, the former chairman of George Soros’ Democracy Alliance. A photograph of the event, published (April 16, 2007) in New York magazine, showed George Soros seated immediately next to the standing, speaking Obama. Soros was enthroned as the only one in the room seated, stationed between host Gluckstern and Obama. Two months earlier Soros’s Mr. Gluckstern had been quoted in the New York Observer saying he MIGHT be raising “well over a million dollars” for Obama.

    May 18, 2007: George Soros hosted an Obama party at the Greenwich, Connecticut palatial mansion of Paul Tudor Jones, who runs the giant hedge fund Tudor Investment Corporation. They collected $2,300 from each of the approximately 300 attendees, the local newspaper Greenwich Time reported.

    Search “How Soros Financed Obama’s Campaign” for this article.

  • Dawnelle

    sorry just now catching up

    I have weird feelings about that picture

    I really like it
    but really am disgusted with it
    but also think it’s disgusting beCAUSE of how CLOSE to the truth it really IS!!

    Not sure I’d be comfortable wearing it. Any NUMBER of groups of people might get hostile

    I’d rather not piss people off beFORE they get to know me (hahahehe)

    HEY is that YOUR Dragon Pic?

    Right ON!

  • Gary McGowan

    Sorry for the length, but for those few who will take the time, let’s have a look at Howard Dean, who is not exactly a Chicago boy, but who is in up to his eyebrows with the Obama pushing Hillary out scam…

    The rot extends far beyond Chicago.

    Multi-billionaire speculator George Soros held a $1,000 per person private fundraiser for Howard Dean’s Presidential campaign on the Sept. 27-28, 2003 weekend, at Soros’s mansion.

    Soros and his allies seek to control the policy of any potential Democratic replacement to the Bush-Cheney Administration, to maintain “open season” for predatory imperial finance. Soros had, in 2003, fixed on Howard Dean for a candidate.

    The former Governor of Vermont is not actually a Democrat. Yes, he has repeatedly run for office under that party’s name; but if you asked someone attached to the Dean campaign about his politics, you were told, “He’s a “fiscal conservative.”

    In 2003, Dean began stating opposition to some of the war policies of the Bush Administration, but Dean postured to the right of President Bush in demanding Bush “take a much harder line on Iran and Saudi Arabia.” He threw in with the Cheney-Wolfowitz neo-conservatives setting up the Bush Administration’s next war, by claiming that Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Libya were fuelling Palestinian and other terrorism.

    Howard Brush Dean III is the wealthy heir of a long line of Wall Street Republicans. Coming out of Yale like his ancestors, he went to work in finance, but he got bored, became a medical doctor, got bored with that, and went into politics. As a Presidential candidate, Dean simply rented himself to the available sources of support, with some little understood and disturbing results.

    Dean made saving money for the state’s Wall Street creditors by cutting Vermont’s budget his only significant objective. He presided over the disappearance of the state’s machine-tool plants, and decline of its dairy farming and lumbering. The destruction of productive industry and its necessarily high-paid union labor pleased Dean’s Wall Street friends, so Vermont got a higher bond rating, despite her increasingly gutted economy.

    Dean openly supported the mid-1990s Newt Gingrich-led Conservative Revolution. In 1995 when Democrats were fighting to keep Newt Gingrich from shutting down the federal government, Dean sided with Gingrich, who wanted to cut Medicare $270 billion. Dean had told reporters in 1995, that the way to balance the budget would be to “cut Social Security,” raise the Social Security retirement age to 70, and cut defense, Medicare, and veterans’ pensions, while the states cut almost everything else.

    As late as June 2003, Dean had said he would “entertain” raising the Social Security eligibility age to 68.

    His rivals increasingly attacked Dean for these brutal austerity prescriptions, and for his loud switches back and forth to curry favor from various voting constituencies. Wall Street became worried that it might lose its darling Dean. WaPo, in an Oct. 2, 2003 editorial, warned Democrats not to revolt against austerity, praising Dean’s long-term policies against seniors and the poor as simply reflecting the “unhappy reality.”

    Let’s have a look at Howard Dean’s roots… some history of Howard Dean’s entanglements with the Bush family and the world of willfully morally-blind financier operations:

    His grandfather, the first Howard Brush Dean, after graduating from Yale in 1918, joined the Yale clique dominated by Averell Harriman, and began work for the Guaranty Trust Company.

    Guaranty Trust Company was the base for financier George Herbert Walker, from which he organized the W.A. Harriman & Co. private bank (Nov. 1919) and appointed himself it’s chief executive.
    GHW’s daughter Dorothy wedded Prescott Bush, grandfather of GWB. (1921).

    GHW’s daughter Nancy was a bridesmaid at the wedding of the just graduated grandpa Dean (1920).

    We begin to see the history of Dean’s own family money and to understand why Dean’s operations would be considered, in the 21st century, safe investments for imperial speculators like George Soros.

    Members of Harriman/Bush Yale clique, started Pan American Airways. Grandpa Dean, then a wealthy stock exchange governor and broker, was made vice president and director of Pan Am in ’43. Prescott Bush was also a director of Pan Am.

    Howard Dean’s father, Howard Dean, Jr., left Yale, worked for grandpa’s Pan Am, and then expanded the family fortune trading stocks.

    Our Howard the third, having become bored with mere money and the duties of a physician, addressing the Vermont state legislature in 1996, pointed to the high-school level understanding that “some workers are simply not earning as much as they used to,” and that “lower salaries mean less revenue for state programs.”

    As one might expect, his response, as an elected servant of the peoples’ general welfare was not to advocate Franklin Roosevelt-type economic recovery policies, but to demand the immediate elimination of “any potential deficit by the end of this fiscal year.” (Austerity for the people, profits for the unchartered financial institutions.)

    Howard Dean is not from Vermont, but from New York, Wall Street, and the elite Hampton beaches. And the nature of who has been renting Howard Dean, becomes more clear when considering his old Presidential campaign apparatus in his New York and Wall Street home base.

    Ethan Geto, was chairman of the Dean campaign for New York City and a New York State—professional lobbyist.
    He, associated with New York Attorney General Robert Abrams, promoted and protected NAMBLA, the North-American Man-Boy Love Association, an organization of pederasts and child abusers. He represented himself as a leading homosexual and Gay Rights advocate, and Howard Dean as a friend of gays. In fact, the Gay Rights movement harshly condemned pederasts as criminals, and expelled NAMBLA from its ranks.

    When looters, usurers and speculators are allowed to ruin living standards, they offer crime and/or drugs as an alternative to a productive way of life and community. George Soros, for example, is the world’s most important individual advocate of the legalization of the full scope of narcotics. While cooperating with the drug money launderers and promoters of narco-terrorist control of South America and Mexico, Soros has financed pro-drug propaganda and referendums in the United States, and paid for pro-drug organizations.

    Steven Grossman was national finance chairman for Howard Dean—the linchpin for the whole Dean money outreach. He was the former chairman of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the main lobby for the Israeli government. He was arguably
    the most important activist for securing the Likudnik faction of Israel’s influence inside the Democratic Party, and was chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 1997-1999.

    Dean’s Northeastern States Finance Director was Emily Wurgaft–formerly an officer under Grossman at his National Jewish Democratic Council. She managed the $1,000 per person private fundraiser for Howard Dean’s Presidential campaign over the Sept. 27-28, 2003 weekend at Soros’s mansion, and her network overlaped heavily with Ethan Geto’s.

    And the billionaire “grass-roots” organization…
    Grossman’s AIPAC and Ethan Geto go way back together.
    In 1981, contributors to AIPAC formed a political action front group called Roundtable PAC, a money conduit for junk bond scamsters Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky, gangster Meshulam Riklis (Ariel Sharon’s personal sponsor), and the leaders of the United Fruit/United Brands cartel.

    Both Abrams and Ethan Geto, instead of prosecuting these gentlemen, joined them in giving birth to the Roundtable PAC, which served as a seed crystal for the growth of a right-wing power axis spanning elements in Israel and the United States.

    For at least a decade now, George Soros, having cut back on his estimated $300-450 million a year to the former Eastern European nations, has been, along with his billionaire friends, funneling funding money toward the end of controlling the U.S. Democratic Party.

    In 2003, he had pledged an initial $10 million to “Americans Coming Together” (ACT), ostensibly aimed at running the Democrats’ campaign against Bush. Six plutocrats allied to Soros gave another $12 million combined, and reports of the group’s fund-raising ambition ranged from $75 million to the NewsMax estimate of $250 million.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Ann,

    What he has actively been doing is handing out grants to educators interested in indoctrinating our children with the Ayers mind set.

    Someone needs to start digging around in the CPS(Chicago Public Schools) and looking at the materials and ciriculum they were advocating. It certainly had nothing to do with 3r’s as the CPS system in Chicago is among the nation’s worst. The massaged #’s have them graduating 52% from high school, and ask any Chicago employer that 52% cannot read, write, do math or speak anymore coherently than Dubya. A matter of fact Dubya comes off as downright eloquent in comparison.

    Look at the identities of those that were given grants and those that were not and a pattern will emerge. The radical left has infiltrated our educational system as their prime means of subversion. I think it was Voltaire who said,( I’m paraphrasing here, sorry but I cannot find my Bartlett’s)…for despots to assure themselves power, they first must commence their tyranny from the cradle”.

    It is not a coincidence that the base of Obama’s support is academia and our 30 and under set. This is the culmination of decades of Ayers, Klonsky and like minds to build Alinskys grass-roots movement.

    Barak admits that his mother’s thinking was the formative basis for his political philosophy.Take a look at her, her parents, the churches they attended and schools they sent her to on Mercer Island and casts an informative light on what she and they beleived in. The men she chose is indicative of these leanings also.

    Another tack is to look at is whom Barry chose as his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. Google him if you are not familiar. One has to wonder what Barry was mentored for, and it is not I think a coincidence that prior to FMD’s stint in Hawaii he hailed from Hyde Pk. where Obama would be virtually propelled up the politcal ladder.

    The deeper one looks the more disturbing the under-pinning values of Obama’s philosophy turn out to be.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Thank you, this indeed is the cause for worry regarding BHO. But if look at my comment above this, you’ll see that pattern extends even further back in Obama’s time line.

    We must continue to shine a light on what Obama wants to from the public’s veiw.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    And there-in lies the lesson, “he took the money but dind’nt deliver alot back” this is story of BOBO’s life. He uses people to propel himself and pretends they never existed after. Just ask the netroots people if this treatment does’nt sound familiar.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    You must not be familiar with Fitzgeralds’ modus operendi, he follows the chain one link at a time. Notice that he has not packed his bags, closed his investigations and headed back to DC yet.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Yeah Steve rocks!

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Are you dense? Playing poker and handing out sweet heart deals to eachother does not constitute ideological cooperation.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Rezko is and more to follow I hope.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    AS long as Islamic radicals want to destroy us I don’t think we have much of a choice on the protracted war issue. War unkike the Tango, only takes one to start the dance.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Unfortunately he is probably going to hold out till after the election with the hopes of a presidential pardon.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    Ask the poor sods living in the Obama assisted Rezko slums how benign the neglect feels to them.

  • http://mjmotley@blogspot.com Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

    HAHA.. well they they certainly have a “lemon” on their hands now.

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