Duane or Sgt. Kamal?

Haha, muslims sure know how to put the blame on everyone else. The “you made us do this” -attitude is more than legendary in Europe and that’s how the demands keep coming. But there’s always another reason to snap. Those evil jews are the most common excuse, they’re were behind 9/11 aswell, you know.

I’m glad to read one post here that doesn’t support the European “It’s not them, it’s us. This only happened because we’re bad” -mentality Larry Johnson has so perfectly depicted.

OK, nice to see the mosque does not condone the killings, but terrifically disappointed they used a “but.” You know, “we hate the act, but you caused it” kind of parsing. Why not just say they hate it?

I agree, they should have just condemned the violence at this juncture and left it at that. Examining the “why” – there’s plenty of time later for that.

Thanks for the post!

Yes, what KGG said…
Now is the time to just say it right.
Later we can look into the deeper levels and see what happened and see what might be learned.

Then the religion Duane or Sgt Kamal is speaking of, is no religion. If there is no heart for empathy, and this person does not also consider the soldiers his brothers and sisters, I am afraid I have to agree with the military needing to examine just how far reaching these implications have. They are at opposition to each other, and it isn’t possible to serve both. Why can there not be empathy? I wouldn’t want to serve with anyone who felt this way; also there is a CO status as an out for those who cannot cope, this appears to be more of clearly deciding to support the “faith” over the service one is involved in. taking the benefits, and betraying the other soldiers in my eyes. Which there is no excuse for. Tolerance of religious practice does not include lying on the floor and taking fire, as one’s brother kills your fellow soldiers. It is treason. I have yet to see any other practitioners of a “faith” in our recent times, take on such an in your face attitude, hiding behind the skirt of the Constitution; while behaving as no citizen I have ever met would. Nope, never have known an individual that was alright with someone in their faith killing our soldiers. No one is saying the ability to practice the faith is wrong. What is wrong is when you believe your faith carries more sway, when you know you have agreed to serve as a soldier, and what that encompasses. Imagine a faith that does not call for you to find any empathy in your heart? That isn’t faith, we call that hate, and fanaticism where I come from. there is a corruption of spirit here which is becoming a representation of what we see practiced as faith. I no longer have the patience to figure it out or further educate myself. I am tired of fanatics without empathy proselytizing as an excuse and laying a trap of being victims of bias. I would recommend the leaders of this faith, speak loudly and clearly in repudiation of any lack of empathy and violence, correcting, their own, openly when expressing contrary beliefs; because the lack of that leadership and strong voice imply tacit agreement.

Lisa, thank you for the post, I cannot watch the clip, I know I will go off and end up with a sour stomach, and a severe lack of empathy if I do.

Katmoon, you capture my frustrations and opinions completely. There comes a time when making excuses for the inexcusable is inappropriate. This is one of those times.
I no longer will hold my tongue for fear of being considered intolerant or politically incorrect. PC has led us to this point and these ‘religions’ which seem to glory in killing and maiming people based on some uneven medieval ‘code’ have gotten a free pass.
Obama’s naive attempts at ‘discussions and respectful intercourse’ with barbarians have only weakened America in the eyes of these neanderthals and I am sure that it is not lost on them that they have a ‘friend’ in the White House.

I am tired of fanatics without empathy proselytizing as an excuse and laying a trap of being victims of bias.

I’m with you on this. And we witnessed this same nonsense during the last presidential “election.”

Someone close to me mentioned the other day they had a conversation with a black politician. The pol made a stop at a youth center in one of their districts and started talking to some older elementary-school aged children. They talked about problems in their communities and how they felt about life. One young boy said that if it wasn’t for “the man,” we wouldn’t have all these problems.

The pol explained that “the man” was not the problem. “The man” did not tell kids not to do their homework, or hang out on the street corners. BUT, the adult who monitored these young children intimated that “the man” really was the problem.

The pol concluded that children are learning not to take any personal responsibility from the adults in their lives. What kind of message does this send? It makes kids think they are powerless to control the outcome of their lives.

Isn’t “the man” now a black/biracial man? So whom are they blaming?

Does a guy get the virgins for that?

Dear Mr. Hassan:

I’ll see your seventy-two virgins and raise you one armed mother.

Isn’t karma wonderful?

creeper

Obama’s naive attempts at ‘discussions and respectful intercourse’ with barbarians have only weakened America in the eyes of these neanderthals and I am sure that it is not lost on them that they have a ‘friend’ in the White House.

Exactly ElizabethRc- If we had to rely on ourselves as citizens, instead of the soldiers, from 9/11 to now we would be in sorry shape, I believe. There comes a point when you have been attacked you must make a decision as to if you are willing to protect that which is being attacked. The one common thread is this relationship to this “faith” involved with the attacks on the U.S.S. Cole, World Trade Centers, Ft Hood, and others I cannot remember right now, also add in honor killings/murders happening in our country. That “faith” regardless of which country wrong or right it has been associated with follows these attacks around, period. I don’t come to these decisions easily, it would be pretty to believe there is empathy and caring and a true sense of wanting to fit into OUR cultural norms in our country. There is a break in the Muslim community itself, that is that communities responsibility to repair, not mine.
Obama has had many opportunities since his time as a state politician to now, to do something more than call for tolerance of something we do not condone generally in our culture, murdering on behalf of one’s “faith”. Clearly his empathy is misplaced.

So whom are they blaming?

Everyone but themselves.

Creeper, I absolutely LOVE your comment.

Obama’s naive attempts at ‘discussions and respectful intercourse’ with barbarians have only weakened America in the eyes of these neanderthals and I am sure that it is not lost on them that they have a ‘friend’ in the White House.

Agreed. That One hasn’t a clue about how extremists operate.

Great post, LisaB. I am just shaking my head in disgust over Duane’s comments. There is a shocking lack of basic human decency in his remarks, and a lack of humanity in general. How can one not feel sorrow at the gunning down of anyone??

And, why is it “news” that Sen. Lieberman thinks what Hasan did was “terrorism”? WTH else do you call it when someone intentionally sets abt killing as many people as he possibly can while calling out for Allah (though anyone killing in the name of their god is disturbing on oh-so-many levels)? Had Munley not taken him down, there is no telling how many more would have died given the additional magazines he had ready to go.

Bottom line – how can this be considered anything OTHER than terrorism?

That One hasn’t a clue about how extremists operate.

He should, he was pals with Reverand “God Damn Amerikkka” Wright and Mr. “just a guy in my neighborhood” Rogers-Ayers.

Clutching the Qur’an in one hand and an AK-47 in the other, with bombs strapped to one’s body in no way demonstrates a love of peace. These are the sort of actions that Islam must repudiate in no uncertain terms.

Oh, but you forget–those weren’t the Reverend Wright or the Bill Ayers he knew.

Bottom line – how can this be considered anything OTHER than terrorism?

The “administration” (an oxymoron) will never call it “terrorism” – that would be admitting a domestic act of terrorism on their watch. Spin and image rule in their fantasy land.

Lisa, your post is, I suppose, a “rant” but your language is so well-stated and rational that it comes across as profoundly meaningful.

It is ferociously infuriating that these “muslims” condemn the dead or the military. Bastards. You really did a great job of giving so many instances. (I read the transcript of the BBC interview but couldn’t bear to listen.)

Sigh – sadly, too true, KGG…

I don’t know but perhaps all of us should take a couple of steps back from the terrorist nomenclature. The last time we got spun-up on the terrorist hysteria, we lost a lot of freedoms in the name of freedom. It could be even worse this time with a puppet like Obama at the helm.

If this is terrorism, then it is time to take it directly to the perpetrators and not use this as yet another excuse to further dilute our rights under the Constitution. Call these acts what they are and punish them.

Topical link with excerpt:

Some saw trouble ahead for Fort Hood suspect

FORT HOOD, Texas – In retrospect, the signs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s growing anger over the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem unmistakable. But even people who worried his increasingly strident views were clouding his ability to serve the U.S. military could not predict the murderous rampage of which he now stands accused.

In the months leading to Thursday’s shooting spree that left 13 people dead and 29 others wounded, Hasan raised eyebrows with comments that the war on terror was “a war on Islam” and wrestled with what to tell fellow Muslim solders who had their doubts about fighting in Islamic countries.

“The system is not doing what it’s supposed to do,” said Dr. Val Finnell, who complained to administrators at a military university about what he considered Hasan’s “anti-American” rants. “He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out.”

Finnell studied with Hasan from 2007-2008 in the master’s program in public health at the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., where Hasan persistently complained about perceived anti-Muslim sentiment in the military and injected his politics into courses where they had no place.

“In retrospect, I’m not surprised he did it,” Finnell said of the shootings. “I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were.”

upcoming, show trial pits poor mistreated worshipper of Religion of peace who is disabled against evil United States Of America and the horrible Army system of oppression of Muslims and their policy on gays.
I see a “If the glove don’t fit, ya must aquit” moment coming.

Y’all: I’m pleased to see that all this PC horse pucky is falling on deaf ears here. have a huge list of correspondents who feel the same. For those who have not read Bruce Bawer’s book, SURRENDER, I recommend it, and also his blog. Bawer has an excellent section at the beginning on political correctness, which becomes intolerant dogma itself.

I your replies above, you have given me hope and comfort. At least I know I am not alone.

I generally agree but I’ve seen some people label things too liberally as “PC,” in order to avoid having to actually address an issue.

From Dick Morris (yeah, I know), this is well-said:

In his nationally televised remarks following the horrendous killings at Ft. Hood, President Obama never mentioned the T word. The attack was an act “of violence.” No mention of terrorism.

In fact, the Ft. Hood shooting is the first terror attack on American soil since 9-11. But Obama, reluctant to take the rap for inadequate protections against such attacks, is doing everything he can to make it look like an adult version of the Columbine school shootings. We are treated to stories about the killer’s dread of being sent back to Afghanistan and his deformed personality.

But, the fact is that Major Nidal Malik Hasan jumped on a table, yelled “Alah Hu Akhbar” and began the shooting rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 30 more.

Ilana Freedman, CEO and Senior Analyst for the Gerard Group International, which provides intelligence analysis for business and homeland security, describes Hasan as a “lone wolf terrorist” who acts without apparent coordination with any other person or organization. But that does not make him any less of a terrorist.

The dividing line, of course, between a terrorist and a psychopathic killer is political motivation. His statements right before opening fire would indicate that Hasan was motivated by fanaticism and a commitment to Islamic fascism, even though President Obama bends over backwards to avoid saying so. …

More at dickmorris.com

I was thinking of the people killed in Russia at the Beslan School, and the “strong repudiations” of these acts, that was in 2004. I think those repudiations need to be much stronger and more frequent, with consequences, from within the “faith” related community itself.

Those evil jews are the most common excuse, they’re were behind 9/11 as well, you know.

Thank you and I concur. I’m really over the anti-Semitic claptrap. An honest evaluation of the facts contradict that truly stupid assertion.

Please elucidate on this avoidance? Yes, I agree that “PC” can be a quick dismissal, but I am pleased to see the issue being brought up on the former MSM, even if dismissed, because the “PC” words now are being uttered. At least it’s brought up. (My standards are low, it seems.)

The more examples and thinking we have on ways of discussing these issues are always helpful.

Robin Williams a few years back said words to the effect that it might not be 72 virgins awaiting a suicide terrorist but perhaps 72 Virginians or, even better, 72 Virgils.

Later we can look into the deeper levels and see what happened and see what might be learned.

Well there is one thing to be learned right away without need of a dissertation, excessive hand-wringing, or second-guessing: extremism in any form has no virtue.

Defensive jihad differs from offensive jihad in being “fard al-ayn,” or a personal obligation of all Muslim, rather than “fard al-kifaya”, a communal obligation, which if some Muslims perform it is not required from others. Hence, framing a fight as defensive has the advantage both of appearing to be a victim rather than aggressor, and of giving your struggle the very highest religious priority for all good Muslims.

Source:www.coedat.nato.int/publications/…/04_Andreas%20ARMBORST.pdf

Please elucidate on this avoidance?

I’ve had conversations with people and I’ve said something and it was labeled “PC” and the discussion ended there. I assume this has happened to other people. I think I tend not to engage in labeling entire groups as creatures of single mind and this gets pigeonholed as being “PC.”

Bottom line: we should be able to discuss something without fear of the PC cops arresting us, as well as not having too many things mislabeled as “PC” as a debating or avoidance tactic.

Political correctness is self-propagating, unfortunately.

extremism in any form has no virtue.

Apparently on this planet it is extremism that (short-term fix) gets idiots “elected” as past two “presidents” and a whole boatload of other problems plaguing humanity.

I have no answer except to say a general mental/spiritual evolution needs to take place where “extremism in any form has no virtue” becomes autonomic, like breathing or heartbeat.

Exactly Galt and Daisy you seem to be on the same page, and I am right there with you. The PC label is a ridiculous attempt at controlling conversation, and convincing people to allow themselves to be subjected to bias, but are not allowed to defend themselves. Quick Example:

Teabaggers

It isn’t PC, and that doesn’t matter, it is downright vulgar, and demeaning and meant to be; as well as accepted by what appears on the surface to be some very PC people who can only apply the PC restrictions as a defense, but clearly are unable to stop themselves from being hypocrites in the offense.

PC is another definition for silence the opposition.

My bet is that it’s 72 Vermins who are eating the jihadists alive on the first layer of Dante’s Hell.

That’s a keeper.

Apparently on this planet it is extremism that (short-term fix) gets idiots “elected” as past two “presidents” and a whole boatload of other problems plaguing humanity.

I have no answer except to say a general mental/spiritual evolution needs to take place where “extremism in any form has no virtue” becomes autonomic, like breathing or heartbeat.

Thanks to the last major “election” and irrationally being labeled a racist I no longer care what labels are affixed to me and will speak my mind as I deem fit.

Do ‘strong repudiations’ do anything at all? Look at how many times we have threatened Iran with all sorts of actions. Which one has worked? None, as far as I can see.
These people will only change course when there are real, tangible consequences for their acts, if even then. I’ll leave it to others to figure out what those consequences need to be, but whatever it is, it needs to shock them to their core. At that point, if they still want to engage in a jihad against us and the rest of the world, they will have demonstrated clearly that there is no hope for them and I think that the rules of the ‘game’ change and the civilized world, of which I do not consider them to be a part, needs to neuter them.

Maybe it was the time and now we are more tolerant of different religions, but do any of you remember when John Kennedy had to assure the public that his Catholic religion wouldn’t be a factor in how he fulfilled his duties as president?
Perhaps it time to start demanding that of all fundamentalist religions.

Perhaps it time to start demanding that of all fundamentalist religions.

We could demand all we wanted until we were collectively blue in the face, to no avail. These “fundamentalist” religions aren’t so much fundamental as rigidly dogmatic.

In addition to beheadings, airplane bombs, roadside bombs, human bombs, I now have 13 more reasons to resist being politically correct!
Religion or not, these are not the kind of people I want in my barracks, convoy, or mess hall.
Frankly speaking, the fewer in this country the better as far as I’m concerned.
This act was terrorism, even though many would prefer to tamp down that fact!

And those visitors to the WH were not the “famous” ones; they just had the same names.

I do remember, they were worried that the Pope would tell him what to do. So how “funny”, that the Pope’s people were directly and in-person involved in the amendment to the health bill voted on yesterday which changes the rules so that insurance companies will no longer cover abortions. (The health bill which has 2,000 pages of details, but doesn’t bother to mandate coverage of women’s issues like pelvic exams and birth control – but I bet it covers Viagra.) People can have different opinions on abortion, but religion is not supposed to be involved in our government! Arrgghhh!

I believe that there are Muslims who aren’t up to no good, but I also feel there is something systemically wrong. Whether it’s a misinterpretation of the faith or the faith itself is becoming irrelevant to me – it just needs to be fixed. Pat Condell is an older gentleman living in England who makes youtubes about what Islam is doing to European countries – his latest one is called “Wake up, America” (fyi, he doesn’t like any religion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSjpNe1-Vc

What burns me up most is that Hasan enlisted in the army to get free medical training -against his parents’wishes-and then when itcomes time to deploy and repay the debt, he resorts to killing those he’s sworn to help.

Hey, Ferd, I don’t know if you’ll like the video or not, but if you check out the youtube I posted further below, the guy talks about how Europe is protecting Islam and taking away other people’s basic rights, especially to free speech. He says America needs to wake up, and hold on dear to its constitution, because Islam plans to make itself higher than the constitution here, as it has done in European countries.

That is why “The Won(tm)” gets along so well with them. Nothing bad is his/their fault. Ever.

Never let a good crisis go to waste!
We’ll end up doing the mea culpas for the harm our military did to Muslim soldiers and for our bias against Muslims in general.

“The pol concluded that children are learning not to take any personal responsibility from the adults in their lives. ”

I’m thinking this, too. When Bill Cosby tells blacks to take responsibility, he gets shouted down. I hear that kids fresh out of college are expecting to immediately receive all kinds of perks – they have no concept of paying dues or working for/earning what they get.

There’s a 9 year old neighbor who visits me quite a bit, and he’s very bright, but he has so internalized all of us praising him for his intellligence over the years, that now he no longer even tries to learn anything – he has somehow decided that he *is* intelligent, not that he *has* intelligence and has to use it to get even smarter and know more. So he never tries to get better at anything, even when he fails; he just walks around telling people that he’s “smart”. It’s gonna come back and bite him in the rear….

Yes indeed. With rights come responsibility. The obamabots accepted the former but intentionally neglected the latter. They are as irresponsible a group of slackers as I’ve ever had the unfortunate luck of meeting up with.

Life is always about what happens after the “but”.

He says America needs to wake up, and hold on dear to its constitution, because Islam plans to make itself higher than the constitution here, as it has done in European countries.

Spot on. I’d rather jail or deport these miscreants than lose another right because they can’t behave in a civilized society. It is far past time to call these barbarians on their behavior.

Some government official in Australia or New Zealand told Muslims, specifically, I think, that they had to accommodate themselves to their new country and not the country to them. I think he was referring to their demand for Sharia Law. That, however, will never happens with the BO administration. We’ll just wait until there is religious strife in the US like there is now in several European countries.

Katmoon & Kinder Gentler Galt (and others)
Triple ditto to the “no longer care what labels are affixed to me.”
PC is not only a way to control, arriving at orthodox dogma-like pronouncements, but I’ve been thinking lately it is a way to convey to others that one is a fine and decent person, full of wonderful tolerance, unlike those who would mar the tone the society by bringing up unpleasant issues. (I am reminded of people I know who talk about all their volunteer work, how much time they spend, all they do for church/orgs. and mention their contributions.) Raw social pressure to conform, tow the line, and be a “good person.”

Pharisees, anybody?

excellent video, lorac. Thanks for the link.

As far as I’m concerned, religion is a completely personal issue until it interferes with my rights enumerated under the Constitution. At that point, it becomes MY issue. This is why religion and politics don’t ever mix. I don’t tell others how to live their lives and don’t like them telling me how to live mine.

@Katmoon

this appears to be more of clearly deciding to support the “faith” over the service one is involved in.

I have been struggling to resolve this. If one is a Muslim, it is not a faith but an “all encompassing way of life”, as I understand it.

It demands of the believer that they act as part of “the body” and that transcends any oath to the state.

So how can this be reconciled? If anyone who more knowledge than this lowly kite, is of the Muslim faith serving in our military, would care to comment, I would love to hear how it is viewed.

I do not mind entertaining duality but on this one, do you give your life to Islam or the State?

If gays are not allowed to serve then what of people of a certain faith?

LisaB thanks for posting this.

lorac, even my elderly landlady insisted she had to vote for BO because she did not want to lose the right to have an abortion. Now, even D’s like her are learning what the rest of us have known all along: it doesn’t matter that you call something a ‘right’ if that ‘right’ is unavailable to the people who need it.

If anyone who more has knowledge than…
and isn’t dyslexic when they type…grrr.

In one respect, the act is a public testament of faith which cannot be taken back. The horrific nature of the action makes it irrevocable. The act was not so much meant to terrorize others, but to glorify the devotee in the eyes of Allah and his fellow worshippers: in effect, “I have chosen. My faith is more important to me than all other things. Here I am proving it beyond doubt for the whole world and the eyes of Allah to see.” Of course, the infidels in the way of his bullets are only collateral damage in the way of his grand demonstration of devoutness.

I see this incident as akin to the Jim Jones murder-suicides in the jungle.

That’s interesting, oowawa – I hadn’t thought of that. Although he did cause terror, that may not have been his motive – it might have been a personal declaration, as you said. Interesting to think about…

Just blame the cat, Teak – that’s what the rest of us do!

Yes lorac. In my mind, religious fanatics who will do anything to demonstrate and validate their faith are the most frightening and dangerous sociopaths around. Once you drink the Kool-Aid . . .

But I wonder if the kids are waking up. Maybe this amendment will do it. I used to be like your landlady, wanting to protect “rights” for others that no longer affect me, but I’m getting fed up with this 3rd wave feminism – I think they’re responsible for the acceleration of the objectifiction of women, with their memes that prostitution is empowering, rape fantasies are empowering, etc.

If they’re not worried about basic rights, and have no respect for or understanding of all the work undertaken by those before them, let them lose those rights and have to fight for them all over again. Why should I keep fighting for something that only affects them, when they just want to be starry-eyed and vote without thinking. My ex-party has never even ratified the ERA. So I’m glad your landlady is starting to wake up. I hope the people most in the crosshairs start to do likewise!

PS Thanks for all the work you do.

Well Teak, you’re a musician. It’s not dyslexia, but sometimes those chords don’t play so well on the computer keyboard!

I heard this idiot on TV last night, a Muslim who says that America should withdraw from Muslim lands and go home. Well, why don’t the Muslims go home (leave Europe and the Americas)? Why don’t they go back to their backward countries where they already have their precious sharia law? The answer is clear: they don’t want to, and they don’t want to give up their goal of establishing a worldwide caliphate.

Abortion is a wedge issue, as far as I’m concerned. I do not think it will be overturned by SCOTUS since there would no longer be an issue to divert the public’s attention. The Republicans will puff and bluff and the Democrats will puff and bluff along with them. This is a cynical attempt by both parties to control the electorate through diversion from what’s going on behind the scenes. We really have more pressing matters to attend to at this point in time.

You’re correct but I won’t wait for the epiphany to take hold. I’m afraid we’re in for many rough years ahead as wedge issues, black-and-white reasoning (I expect the race card to be pulled any second now), and the incomprehensible rise of groupthink. The Constitution is in for another bashing, as well.

Drat, didn’t complete the thought: “as wedge issues, black-and-white reasoning (I expect the race card to be pulled any second now), and the incomprehensible rise of groupthink become the norm.

Ferd, I absolutely agree that it’s a wedge issue. And I also don’t think SCOTUS is going to outlaw it. But I think the concern of people is that this amendment is a backdoor outlawing, a de facto outlawing. I’ve never had an abortion, but apparently insurance companies pay for it – and now they won’t be able to. So now it’s going to be too expensive for women to get abortions, and we may start seeing the coat-hanger fiascos of days past.

I do think that unwanted pregnancies are a big issue, though, because they have a huge impact on women’s freedom and power in the world. Perhaps women and men will take more advantage of birth control, though – that will help.

It won’t be a “show trial”, it will be a courts-martial, conducted according to the rules and regulations of military law. He is not a civilian contractor, he is an officer in the United States Army and will be tried by that Army for his crimes. I hope they hang him.

So he never tries to get better at anything, even when he fails; he just walks around telling people that he’s “smart”. It’s gonna come back and bite him in the rear….

This is part and parcel of the “everyone gets a medal for competing” syndrome, which started during the 90s, I’m afraid. At the time I took my daughter to participate in a piano recital. She was an excellent pianist with perfect pitch and an amazing memory but didn’t apply herself and I knew it. There were many at the recital who did a much better job than my daughter, but she got this huge trophy anyway. I was livid and told the organizers such. They poo-pooed it saying I was much too hard on my daughter….. Yeah and they were much too chickensh*t to tell the other parents that their little Timmy or Sally wasn’t good enough and wouldn’t be getting a trophy. So my daughter got one and everyone oohed and ahhed and congratulated me. I felt as though I should shake them to arouse them from their walking slumber.

Needless to say, I never took her to another recital and started teaching her myself. The simple truth is, I am a pianist, took over 10 years of lessons and associated theory from a professor at OCU, and did recitals for several years but never expected trophies for doing what I loved and never got any. I was quite competent but not brilliant, so even if I did expect them I never would have gotten them because there were far better musicians out there. Am I any worse off because of this? Hell no! It made me work all the harder, thank God. And I’m still a competent musician–just not of the caliber to make any money at it. That’s cool, too.

dear mr hassan, did you ever read the words “first do no harm?” wondering! also you swore an oath to the country where you grew up and that nutured you. sure a few might have harrassed you but let me inform you many other americans are harrassed as well. so suck up it up! and stop your dang whining. i am sick of it.

Yes Ferd, it is a “wedge issue” indeed. And don’t you love the phrase “wedge issue”? A wedge is something that is used to split and break apart something that is otherwise cohesive and formidable: divide and conquer. The power brokers have several wedges in their toolbox, and the “abortion” wedge has divided many who otherwise have common interests. The “racist” charge is another wedge that has been used a lot lately. And what do the manipulative users of “wedge issues” really want? Money and power.

Ferd, the Almighty Spam Filter used His ever-vigilant wedge to split my comment into oblivion.

Administrator, please rescue my response to Ferd’s comment. Thank you!

Lorac:

Sorry for my terseness but I was a long-time supporter of abortion rights until it became clear to me that the procedure was being used in many cases because either the man in the procreative process was an ass and wouldn’t wear protection or the woman was not strong enough to demand it, or a combination of the two. Far be it for me to tell anyone how to behave or conduct their business. I suppose it all boils down to responsibility. We are blessed to live in a country where we have enumerated rights but with those rights come absolute responsibilities. The former untempered by the latter becomes anarchy which leads to restrictions of the former until we are, once again, subjects who have only responsibility but no rights. This cycle has to stop and quickly.

It has happened to me today a few times as well. I’m just about ready to throw in the towel and give it up. Bots can post their dreck for days without so much as an admonishment but the regulars are flushed routinely. Go figure.

72 virgins. As I understand it, Hasan is now in a drug-induced coma. Perchance to dream. Does he get the virgins in his dreams? But dreams have a way of providing nasty surprises. No telling what he may find underneath those burkas.

Yeah–they’re sirens calling him and he’s about to dash himself to bits on a reef of his own making.

I’m not sure we disagree – although I don’t mind disagreement, because I like to hear other viewpoints and think about them (I just don’t like personal attacks like you know who and her “brother” Joe). I want early-term abortion to remain legal, but I do think that opposed to earlier days, we do have more alternatives (birth control, morning after pills, etc), so that abortion should be pretty rare, I would think. To the extent that it isn’t, it may be that people aren’t fulfilling the responsibility part of the equation, perhaps. Am I getting close to what you’re saying?

Ferd: I agree with your position vis a vis trophies for everyone! It cheapens the win for the ones who truly deserve them.

Having been raised in a household which produced 3 accomplished professional musicians (one classical, two others, jazz), I also was trained from the time I was 6 until about 18 or 19 in piano. As the only girl in the family, a professional career for me was never an option (such wasn’t considered because my family’s goal was for me to get married and have a family….someday I’ll tell you how well THAT worked out!!!). Anyway, all these years later, my love of playing and of music has sustained me and enriched me inside. How can one have regrets when every day the music is the trophy?!!

To the extent that it isn’t, it may be that people aren’t fulfilling the responsibility part of the equation, perhaps. Am I getting close to what you’re saying?

Yes. That is it in a nutshell. They have the right but should not abuse it. I’m reminded of a time when we had no speed bumps in the parking lot. The company I work for notified everyone that if speeding didn’t decrease, they would put in speed bumps. Well, the speeding didn’t stop and the bumps were put in. The whining was banshee-like. My response was that they were warned. Rights and responsibilities–they are forever linked. Too bad most don’t even realize it until it is far too late.

I think this is tied in to how we seem to now think we should “judge” people (give them “a pass”) based on their beliefs, rather than on their behavior. We used to believe that everyone had the right to their own beliefs, but their behavior had to fit the law. So these guys oppress women, commit jihad, etc, etc, but that’s not part of the equation – they’re allowed to contend that they’re merely being discriminated against because of their beliefs. Ah, NO, it’s because of your BEHAVIOR.

It’s like people aren’t accountable anymore. People should be entitled to all kinds of perks, regardless of the fact that they haven’t accomplished anything, and others shouldn’t be criticized, regardless of the fact that they have done bad things. When does BEHAVIOR start to be important again….?

The Almighty Spam Filter bestows his blessings upon Botdom? He who programs the spam filters controls the modern world . . .

Yes hc123. Life’s true tail always comes after the “but.”

(I love your one-liner!)

How can one have regrets when every day the music is the trophy?!!

That for sure! I took up science, which I’m very good at and made a career out of that. Music is my hobby and I derive a lot of pleasure out of it. No regrets here, at all. I’m glad I can play for my own amusement.

For some time now I have been sure that the abortion issue is simply being used to keep pro choice women in the Democratic column. The fact is if you think carefully about it, it becomes obvious that this issue has basically been made redundant. The morning after pill has been around for some time now, thus allowing a pregnancy termination to be the woman’s own private business and available without any invasive procedure. But it is not to my knowledge being promoted as the best way to go in such a situation. Why?

You are welcome.

The same sentiment expressed by Barack Obama with his: “Let’s not jump to judgement.” or something like that.

Heaven help us all.

For some time now I have been sure that the abortion issue is simply being used to keep pro choice women in the Democratic column.

That’s only half of the equation. Fundamentalists associated with the Republican party harp on it almost daily. There are plenty of manure spreaders to go around, don’t you think?

I no longer will hold my tongue for fear of being considered intolerant or politically incorrect.

Indeed, elizabethrc. It shocks me, having once been a civil service worker for the Army, that PC has apparently infected the military. Of course, back in the “olden days”, even a clerk typist (first job out of school) merited a security background check and even an FBI visit to the neighbors inquiring about my associations. Later, working for Lockheed, carrying a “Top Secret” clearance from the earlier job, I was checked again. Too bad the security services haven’t expanded along with the diverse population…computers can’t do the whole job.

My question is why “Duane” and other Muslims (and any others) who call for the overthrow of our government aren’t jailed or deported? Isn’t it treasonous to call for the overthrow of the USA? If there had been any question of my patriotism, I’d have never been hired at either of the positions referenced.

Just Europeans? Some major dailies and NPR spun the distress disorder explanation in seconds. I know someone who believes in these news sources who yesterday said to me, “maybe he was a martyr, maybe religion was part of it.”

Likely thus that change came from NPR stories too, changing their initial attack in response to non-brain dead listeners.

And do not take on “sin” if they lie about their religious beliefs to the Infidel for self protection.

Dang it I lost a good comment, but the gist was, why is our administration more concerned about the “faith” group than the safety of the citizens as a whole? So much so they are just as abusive in not framing an act for what it is, terrorism, as those who would create a light show dedicated to our danger levels from times past.
Sounds like there is empathy, for the smaller group of the two. Of course we are so crazy we would take to the streets, and without discretion, so words are
parsed, to us like little children. It is quite telling. If Mcvey was a domestic terrorist, so is Hassan.

Correct. So even if they assured us, they might have their “fingers crossed”.

If he were unwilling to serve, Hasan could have gone to the brig, gone a.w.o.l., or crossed into Canada and sought asylum.
He had options, yet chose to murder Americans, and soldiers at that!

Like you Ferd, I want to see the issue of abortion taken out of the realm of government all together; none of their business. Let the women and their physicians be in charge of this issue. However, I don’t see live baby or late term (unless the life of the mother is at dire risk) as abortions, rather infancide. Any doctor killing or hastening the death of a live baby outside the womb should be prosecuted fully. Further, I don’t see that government run health plans should be allowed to use tax money to pay for abortions. Let PP or abortion clinics be financially supported by their proponents…put their money where their mouths are…just like Pro-Lifers should be prepared to help raise children who have MIA parents.

Thanks, I’ll be forwarding this one…rational discourse is rare, isn’t it?

Amen Annie, I agree with every word you wrote. Thank you.

Yes, that is what they want Oowawa, money and power, and have not a single hesitation to do whatever to whomever in large groups or small to get what it is they seek. Slaves to their ego, sacrifice all others in the name of their addictions.

become the norm

I think for all intensive purposes we are already there. Its gotten so bad that the group thinkers assume most folks on this blog belong to some “group” – even though I’ve seen much diversity of thought from this “group.”

The only “group” here is commonality on opposition to subservience to a wannabe dictator and his Keystone Cops “administration,” Dem controlled “legislature” and media prostitutes.

I agree with you.

rational discourse is rare, isn’t it?

It certainly has been of late, unfortunately. This has been one excellent thread, though, with relatively few diversions from the Kool-Aide crowd.

This is in response to lorac’s video referenced above…somehow it landed down thread…not my fault of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSjpNe1-Vc

Yes, Ferd. Passions are red hot right now. Thankful for the lack of silly bots today.

100%. Thanks.

Well said, Galt. I do concur.

Perhaps they don’t want us to focus on the Whitehouse avoidance of the fact many are calling this a terrorist act?

Yeah it kinda had a Ferdesque quality to it.

For those who don’t actually share their home with a feline: a virtual cat will do. Besides, virtual litter boxes don’t have that nasty ammonia smell.

I think you’re both correct.

Related: Yeah I noticed they don’t chime in on our comments referring to the sham election – presumably because in their fantasy world we will miraculously forget our sacred right to having our votes count equal to other votes was obliterated in order to install a wannabe dictator. Far from forgetting, I am looking forward to helping the opposition party restore some balance in 2010.

LMAO. Actually it had a Galt-esque quality to it which is fine in and of itself.

Yes, Indeed KGG; with glee in 2010.

Far from forgetting, I am looking forward to helping the opposition party restore some balance in 2010.

As am I.

Last night I attended a dinner to honor the granddaughter of my late best friend for whom I worked during the late 60′s to the early 80′s in Big Sur.

Granddaughter has written a well received book about their family business and in particular about her grandmother, a local legend. Because we were so close for so many years, they were part of my extended family; our kids grew up with common experiences in a small community, etc. This dinner was held at a restaurant in town owned by a woman who also has a family connection. I wound up being directed to a table with 4 other lone women, none of whom I had met before. As you may know, I live in the PC capital of the world; just one step under SF so it was interesting that as I sat down, I realized there was a conversation going on about political correctness. A retired teacher from Salinas commented that she owned a home in Salinas; taught in the schools there for years. She told the others it’s easy to make diversity romantic until the time comes that you find yourself living in a “balkanized” war zone. I joined in to add my experiences of living for a year in that community…happy to escape with my life intact. Funny, how the others became quiet and thanked her for her comments. Do I think they shed one ounce of their political correctness? Not on your tintype, sugar.

Another of my old friend’s granddaughters, sister of the author, was the cook for the evening. When she was a toddler, I was, as she told me a few years ago, the only one “there” for her during her parents divorce, helped her re-integrate with her family once when she ran away, supported and championed her in a new business venture, saved her family mementos for her, etc. Two years ago, she suddenly stopped answering my emails or returning my phone messages; finally going to her business to make an order for a family birthday, I found out that she had gotten married; 2 troubled teenagers with 2 different fathers later she wanted a proper wedding…to a Muslim…and I apparently had been renamed “chopped liver”. A modern Americanized Muslim, she said, not one of those misogynists. Having always spoken my truth to her and my own chidren, I responded that I thought it a mistake for any American woman to think that she could have an equal partnership with a Muslim husband and that these men have it ingrained. Well! That did it. She’s avoided me since then. So I watch silently from a distance because…it might be dangerous not to. He is, after all, supported by her trust fund and that in itself must be an ego buster…

Me three.

Ferd – I should have been clearer. I didn’t mean to imply that it was a onesided spreading of manure, but just that the Dems use it in a different way – to keep a captive pool of female voters. If the morning after pill were used women could have a safe termination at a time when a decision would be far less heart wrenching and ambivalent. That would mean that one issue would not keep them from changing a vote due to another issue just as important. They could no longer be held for ransom due to their gender.

Then I stand corrected and agree, momule.

oowawa, thanks for the perspective. In the context of that angle, can a person have two masters?

I am attempting to steer clear of any “rationalization” pitfalls. A persons faith wieghed against their alliegence to the state, is a real dicey proposition. Bottomline, the same problem I am trying to sort out in my head is what was over looked by the Command structure. Many things can motivate a person to serve…but what given a single choice would one pick?

The other insight that maybe gained is, since this piece of crap trained as shrink, does not a person in this trade get a bada bing review by a pier periodally? If so what was the status of this?
I am very curious how a military force that is configured to defend the Constitution, which includes this individuals rights, deals with this.
This is a problem in force protection with a component that creates friction in the ranks. If a majority of the ranks view the person with suspicion and unable to raise the concern for .
I wouldn’t turn my back on such an individual, never mind give him carte blanche in to my mental state. I hope they review his shit with a fine tooth comb.

wonder about what drove the psych major to murder his fellow soldiers (is it PTSD by association or Islamic radicalism?), there are other stories out there as well.
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I don’t wonder @ all Larry…Islam….

Teabaggers

It isn’t PC, and that doesn’t matter, it is downright vulgar, and demeaning and meant to be; as well as accepted by what appears on the surface to be some very PC people who can only apply the PC restrictions as a defense, but clearly are unable to stop themselves from being hypocrites in the offense.

Well said Kat!

I know a slew of people that have attended the tea party rallies. I, myself,have had the pleasure of going to one these great gatherings.

Those attending are an even mix as far as I can see. It’s Dems, Indies and Goppers. Right now the Dems who worship Barry are in denial of this fact. No one wants more taxes for anything. I am looking further down the pike and when 2010 rolls around the Dems won’t have the support they thought they had and it’s minority base that came out in droves to vote for Barry won’t make the effort.

They can suck on their cheetos!

Our Congress is far too busy finding new and complex ways to screw us, take over our lives, dictate to us what to think, what to say, yada yada yada. They are far too busy to enact or uphold laws to deport these terrorists or try them for treason. No, they’d rather spend their time finding new horrors for us to suffer through.
If those muslims were Republicans, you can bet their backsides would be planted in jail lickity split!

Annie says………..

My question is why “Duane” and other Muslims (and any others) who call for the overthrow of our government aren’t jailed or deported? Isn’t it treasonous to call for the overthrow of the USA? If there had been any question of my patriotism, I’d have never been hired at either of the positions referenced.

I have been wondering this same thing.

Washington – The FBI and the Army on Sunday were investigating whether the military psychiatrist suspected in the Ft. Hood shooting rampage had an association with militants at a mosque in Virginia or in cyberspace. (Snip) In recent days, authorities poring over Hasan’s computer, Internet records and multiple e-mail accounts have found evidence that he visited other radical Islamist websites with some frequency, according to several officials familiar with the investigation.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-probe9-2009nov09,0,5487900.story

Certainly there will and should be a thorough examination of this killer’s background.
The thing I find most disturbing in all the chatter is that the lines are already drawn and along party lines.
With the first direction from one source, the democrats took one side, the republicans another…in the general populace.
I’m unsure when it happened, but this country reached a turning point, and threw unity away along with the Constitution.
We now cater to immigrants that are unlike those who came here to be as productive and successful as possible, and we are fast standing on the outside looking in.

elizabeth, I think the key word in your post is “weakened”. I don’t think Obama’s friendship enters into this much. I think they see his weakness and have chosen to exploit it in as many ways as possible.

Expect more of this.

As CIC Obama declined visiting his men at Ft. Hood, a former CIC and wife did so without fanfare.

Here’s my take, as a veteran, and life-long military member, both active-duty and dependent, and someone who loves the military but acknowledges the realities as well:

Hasan is Palestinian. He was unable to overcome his emotional conflict over loyalty to the US military–which meant he sanctioned US Foreign Policy–and thus his collusion in violent action which directly affected his own Palestinian identity. He has family in Ramallah; they are subjected to hideous suffering in the Palestinian Territories due to US Foreign Policy support for Israel’s military occupation, repression and oppression of Palestinians.

Here’s another thing: The pressure to conform in the military is huge; everyone is propagandized constantly; those who don’t conform to the group-think are increasingly isolated, both socially and professionally. The comments are constantly negative regarding Muslims because military soldiers are taught to believe in the mission. Hasan tried to tell people in small ways that he didn’t believe in the mission, so he was ostracized and condemned instead of hustled out like he should have been. He learned to keep his mouth shut, but he was unable to contain his rage.

He tried to get out; the Army would not let him, because they paid for his medical school. Eventually, he lost it; he was likely mentally unstable from the beginning; but add in the pressures of his increasing identity with Islam, and at some point, people implode.

He isn’t the only ticking time bomb out there, you know, and I don’t mean Muslim soldiers in the US Army.

It doesn’t matter whether someone is Muslim or not; the psyche can only take so much, before it cracks. Suicides have soared in the military. AWOLs have skyrocketed. And, guess who is going to be sent to Afghanistan? Think about it.

Who Will Be Sent to Afghanistan?

Posted By Tom Engelhardt

November 8, 2009

http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/11/08/who-will-be-sent-to-afghanistan/

I think I can answer this.

The morning-after pill requires the woman to accept the fact that she might be pregnant as a result of last night’s escapade and take RESPONSIBILITY for it. But we seem to be an intrinsically lazy society, believing “it can’t happen to me” and doing nothing until disaster strikes and the simple solution is no longer an option.

It would be interesting to know the number of prescriptions written for the morning-after pill versus the number of abortions performed. I’m guessing the latter outnumber the former.

An honest evaluation of the facts regarding US Foreign Policy over the past 60 years would contradict the assertion that our relationship with Israel plays no part whatsoever in current geo-political events, Ferd. You’ve proven, time and again, that an “honest” evaluation of the facts is difficut if not impossible when undertaken by ideologues.

Who Will Be Sent to Afghanistan?

November 8, 2009

In a grim Nov. 3 Wall Street Journal piece (buried inside the paper), Yochi Dreazen reported record suicide rates for a stressed-out U.S. Army. Sixteen soldiers killed themselves in October alone, 134 so far this year, essentially ensuring that last year’s “record” of 140 suicides will be broken. This represents a startling 37 percent jump in suicides since 2006 and, for the first time, puts the suicide rate in the Army above that of the general U.S. population.

After eight years of two major counterinsurgency wars (and various minor encounters in what used to be called the Global War on Terror), with many soldiers experiencing multiple tours of duty, with approximately 120,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq and almost 70,000 in Afghanistan, with the Afghan War clearly in an escalatory phase, commanders in the field calling for 40,000-80,000 more American troops, and base construction on the rise, the military’s internal problems are clearly escalating as well.

As Dahr Jamail, author of The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Sarah Lazare report, under these circumstances, the Army is digging deep for deployable troops; in fact, it’s dipping into a pool of soldiers who have already been damaged or even broken by their experiences in our war zones – and that’s just to meet present deployment needs. Perhaps it’s not surprising then that Dreazen included this striking passage in his report: “At a White House meeting Friday, the Joint Chiefs of Staff urged President Barack Obama to send fresh troops to Afghanistan only if they have spent at least a year in the U.S. since their last overseas tour, according to people familiar with the matter. If Mr. Obama agreed to that condition, many potential Afghanistan reinforcements wouldn’t be available until next summer at the earliest.”

In translation (if Dreazen is correct), that means, in a private brainstorming session with the president, the Joint Chiefs have evidently put the brakes on implementing the full-scale plan of CENTCOM Commander David Petraeus and Afghan War commander Stanley McChrystal to send a massive infusion of new troops to Afghanistan any time soon.

It’s worth asking – though no one, as far as I can tell, yet has – whether this may be a modest Afghan equivalent of the “Shinseki moment” before the invasion of Iraq. (Then, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki warned in congressional testimony that, if we invaded, we would need “several hundred thousand” troops – numbers not available – for the occupation to follow. He was laughed into retirement by the Bush-appointed civilian leadership of the Pentagon.)

At the same time, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mike Mullen, has just made it clear that the Pentagon will once again request supplemental war-fighting funds sometime next year, over and above the $130 billion Congress appropriated only a month ago in the Defense Department budget. These will be based, in part, on a calculation that each 1,000 new troops sent to Afghanistan must be supported by an extra billion dollars in funds. (You can do the math yourself on those 40,000 troops and then wonder just where all that money is going to come from.)

We are, in fact, facing an ongoing disaster not just for the U.S., but for the U.S. military. Read the following piece and ask yourself: What state would a military have to be in to consider sending such men back into a war zone? A desperate military is, of course, the answer – a military rubbed raw and, as the shocking mass murder spree at already stressed-out Fort Hood may indicate, on edge in a way that perhaps no one has quite grasped.

Where Will They Get the Troops?
Preparing undeployables for the Afghan front

by Dahr Jamail and Sarah Lazare

http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/11/08/who-will-be-sent-to-afghanistan/

An honest evaluation of the facts regarding US Foreign Policy over the past 60 years would contradict the assertion that our relationship with Israel ["claptrap!" says Ferd] plays no part whatsoever in current geo-political events. It is proven, time and again, Ferd, that an “honest” evaluation of the facts is difficut if not impossible when undertaken by ideologues.

Who Will Be Sent to Afghanistan?

November 8, 2009

Where Will They Get the Troops?
Preparing undeployables for the Afghan front

by Dahr Jamail and Sarah Lazare

http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/11/08/who-will-be-sent-to-afghanistan/

I’m rather tired of your constant anti-Semitic rubbish. Why don’t you go lecture your Arab friends and refrain from addressing me again.

Only an idiot thinks anyone who points out the hypocrisy of our foreign policies with regard to Israel and the Arabs in the Middle East is “anti-semitic.”

Want to know the “root cause” of the Ft Hood shooting? Here it is:

Shortly after the incident, I was listening to a talk-radio station. The host was interviewing the CEO of a security consultant firm. The latter was an ex-marine.

The two discussed the perpetrator of the Ft Hood attack and his background, and then fell all over each other to underscore, for the benefit of the audience, that this did not mean that *all* muslims were bad. In fact, “many” had served and continue to “serve honorably in the service of their country.”

Interesting… If the perp had been a middle-class white guy of Judeao-Christian background, would they have added a similar disclaimer, i.e., “not all white Judeao-Christian guys are bad, and many have served honorable in the service of their country?”

Of COURSE NOT. The reason for the disclaimer is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, pure and simple. It is a fear that stating the obvious FACTS of the matter will somehow result in accusations of racism and bigotry. It is the fear that a law suit will follow, and that the ACLU will run you and your institution’s reputation through the ringer.

How else you do explain why it is that everyone knew the Hasan was coming unglued, and everyone knew that he was developing a violent disposition toward the people and institutions that he had take MULTIPLE oaths to defend and protect? God forbid somebody had acted to resstrict this man’s clearances and access. God forbid they had even taken him into a conference room and asked him why he was behaving so strangely. They they done so, they might have saved more than a dozen lives, but no, the risk of stating the obvious is too much. Nobody wants a charge of “racism” on their record.

Now, with the bodies of the victims barely in the ground, politically-correct morons are now asking… what did the military do to “induce” this terrorist’s behavior? Maybe our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan? Perhaps it’s Bush’s fault for getting us engaged in an “illegal and unjust” war?

Lest you fall into that line of thinking, let me propose this to you. During WWII, fear drove us to round up and place into internment camps thousands of Japanese Americans. Despite that, Japanese American soldiers whose own fathers and mothers might have been locked up back at home, did not rise up to frag their fellow soldiers, despite “good” reasons why an unbalanced individual from this demographic group might. I am not aware of a single incident. Are you?

What about the tens of thousands of American soldiers with German ancestry who picked up arms, and went to fight in Europe against branches of their own family tree? How many of them, under “stress,” turned their weapons on fellow Americans? I am not aware of any such case.

Another thing: I wish the morons in the White House and in the press would quite referring to the Ft. Hood incident as a “tragedy.” It is NOT a tragedy. A tragedy is bridge collapsing, or an earthquake that flattens a building and kills a bunch of people. Please, let’s call this what it was. It was an ATTACK. It was a MASSACRE. It was a planned EXECUTION. There was no accident here.

The bottom line is this: Hasan is a terrorist. Perhaps a nutcase, but a terrorist. His attack was planned, and worked out in advance. He took the trouble to clean out his apartment and dispose of his belongings prior to the attach. He made attempts to connect with Al Quieda. His violent tendencies toward fellow Americans was fed by his particular brand of religion. (Note: He did not yell “Praise Jesus and pass the ammo!” He DID yell “Allah Akbar!” as he murdered his fellow soldiers.)

Unless we can recite and act on the facts of a situation without fear of reprisal, we are doomed. We need to be able to call a spade a spade, and act on it… before innocents are murdered.

Political correctness is our cancer, and at the moment, that cancer appears to be terminal.

He didn’t snap……what part of praying 5 times a day don’t you understand?…those prayers include getting rid of the infidels…he could have become a consciensous objector and subject himself to the miltary court decision…..but he chose to be a martyre and became a suicide terrorist. I therefore will call him a suicide terrorist! I don’t need to be politically correct….I need to be safe.

Here are some more “anti-semites” you’ll find tiresome, Ferd:

Zionism’s Jewish Enemy

Alan Hart Interviews Professor Ilan Pappe

Like all Israelis, Ilan Pappe was brought up, conditioned, to believe Zionism’s version of the history of the making and sustaining of the Arab-Israeli conflict. It wasn’t until he went to England to continue his academic studies that he had access to documentation which enabled him to understand that Zionism’s version is a propaganda lie.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23893.htm

How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophw

Avi Shlaim The Guardian, Wednesday 7 January 2009

Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state’s legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine

Jews to Israel: Stop villifying Goldstone:

“When it comes to Israel, hard-core censorship and intimidation by those claiming to speak in the name of the Jewish people have been the order of the day,” the letter said regarding Israel’s response to the Goldstone report findings.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125830.html

On 22 Sept. ’09, Rabi’ a-Tawil, from East Jerusalem, entered Israel through the Mevo Beitar checkpoint. At a nearby gas station, soldiers took his identifying documents and went to the checkpoint. A-Tawil continued to a second gas station, some two kilometers from the checkpoint, where soldiers shot and killed him, although he did not endanger them.

http://www.btselem.org/English/

i did notice that the military got him out of the civilian hospital into a base hospital in short order.