Comments on: HR 3926—Congressional Graffiti? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275935 Onofre's arm Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:52:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275935 I think the point is that the insurance companies pay MORE than they normally would to providers to offset the losses that Medicare/Medicaid generate, so the Insurance companies naturally raise their rates. In effect, customers of private insurance are paying more for premiums to cover the losses incurred by providers when they take Medicare/Medicaid, and yes, illegal and uninsured, patients. Call it an invisible, or laundered tax on private insurance holders. It's done in this round about way because people would become outraged if they ever realized the huge amount extra they pay for insurance to subsidize failing socialist programs like Medicare, and people would become far more vocal and active regarding the illegal alien problem. And greater government involvement (especially single payer)will only increase the overall costs of healthcare until rationing, long wait times, and a drastic decrease in quality will be the inevitable result. This is no different than the increased rate you pay for car insurance to cover un-insured motorists. This extra amount is at least separately listed on your car ins. policy. I wonder what would happen if your health insurance also broke out the added expense you pay for the medically un-insured. I think the point is that the insurance companies pay MORE than they normally would to providers to offset the losses that Medicare/Medicaid generate, so the Insurance companies naturally raise their rates. In effect, customers of private insurance are paying more for premiums to cover the losses incurred by providers when they take Medicare/Medicaid, and yes, illegal and uninsured, patients. Call it an invisible, or laundered tax on private insurance holders. It’s done in this round about way because people would become outraged if they ever realized the huge amount extra they pay for insurance to subsidize failing socialist programs like Medicare, and people would become far more vocal and active regarding the illegal alien problem. And greater government involvement (especially single payer)will only increase the overall costs of healthcare until rationing, long wait times, and a drastic decrease in quality will be the inevitable result.

This is no different than the increased rate you pay for car insurance to cover un-insured motorists. This extra amount is at least separately listed on your car ins. policy. I wonder what would happen if your health insurance also broke out the added expense you pay for the medically un-insured.

]]> By: lorac http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275927 lorac Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:01:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275927 I was following you until you said that the doctors and hospitals then make the private insurers pay. So, Paul comes in with Medicare, the doctors and hospital are paid the lowered agreed upon rate from Medicare - ok - now the doctors and hospital - what? - bill some random private insurance? Why would that private insurance pay for a person who is not on their plan? Doctors/hospitals can't make a private insurance pay more than they are obligated to pay for someone they insure, how an they make the private insurance pay for someone they DON'T insure? I'm just not following you. I was following you until you said that the doctors and hospitals then make the private insurers pay. So, Paul comes in with Medicare, the doctors and hospital are paid the lowered agreed upon rate from Medicare – ok – now the doctors and hospital – what? – bill some random private insurance?

Why would that private insurance pay for a person who is not on their plan? Doctors/hospitals can’t make a private insurance pay more than they are obligated to pay for someone they insure, how an they make the private insurance pay for someone they DON’T insure? I’m just not following you.

]]> By: Peggy Sue http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275891 Peggy Sue Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:43:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275891 I wonder if he still thinks Big Dawg is a racist, tek? For a party that had so many "problems" with the Clintons, they're sure quick to call in Bill when they get in trouble. I wonder if he still thinks Big Dawg is a racist, tek? For a party that had so many “problems” with the Clintons, they’re sure quick to call in Bill when they get in trouble.

]]> By: Tricia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275887 Tricia Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:38:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275887 Yikes--how does this work exactly? I mean, where does private nisurance come in--just by raising their rates to help cover costs? Yikes–how does this work exactly? I mean, where does private nisurance come in–just by raising their rates to help cover costs?

]]> By: socalannie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275763 socalannie Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:32:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275763 Yes, I've always liked him. He's given speeches about how bad the Fed Resv is for the American people. He seems very brave & very intelligent. Yes, I’ve always liked him. He’s given speeches about how bad the Fed Resv is for the American people. He seems very brave & very intelligent.

]]> By: waterstradt http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275756 waterstradt Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:08:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275756 The reason most people cite for tne need to reform health insurance is growing cost of private insurance. Replace private with public and we hold the cost down they say. Dirty secret every time a Medicare Medicad or Tricare (government health care) the government does not pay the hospital or the Doctor the true cost of the service by a rate the government forces them to accept. The Doctors and the hospitals then cause private insurance to pick up a part of the cost. This is the government in effect taxing people who have private insurance. The reason most people cite for tne need to reform health insurance is growing cost of private insurance. Replace private with public and we hold the cost down they say. Dirty secret every time a Medicare Medicad or Tricare (government health care) the government does not pay the hospital or the Doctor the true cost of the service by a rate the government forces them to accept. The Doctors and the hospitals then cause private insurance to pick up a part of the cost. This is the government in effect taxing people who have private insurance.

]]> By: AnnieCarmel http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275752 AnnieCarmel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:57:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275752 LOL! And so true! LOL! And so true!

]]> By: AnnieCarmel http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275751 AnnieCarmel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:55:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275751 Lorac, actually it's a negative to have citizenship in light of this bill. After all, it's against the constitution to deny care, they're not in the system so no fines for not having HealthCare coverage; no jail time. Native born citizens...penalized. In the olden days quotas on immigration were so that we were not overwhelmed by any particular culture; people who were unhealthy or would be a burden on the state. Quotas were staggered to allow time for assimilation. After WWII, one of the early radio serials was "Life With Luigi" with J. Carroll Nash. It was a humorous continuing story of an Italian immigrant's path to becoming a citizen. He was a lovable character as I recall; no one thought it was racist to laugh at language errors, etc., and there were no slurs made against the old country. That's the way it was. Many after WWII were taking citizenship classes, learning the cultural ways of the US and took great pride in being a part of the melting pot. My, how life has changed. And, I'm sure that today the PC police would find something to rant about; then we were happy to welcome people who wanted to do their part to be successful after the world upheaval. Lorac, actually it’s a negative to have citizenship in light of this bill. After all, it’s against the constitution to deny care, they’re not in the system so no fines for not having HealthCare coverage; no jail time. Native born citizens…penalized.

In the olden days quotas on immigration were so that we were not overwhelmed by any particular culture; people who were unhealthy or would be a burden on the state. Quotas were staggered to allow time for assimilation. After WWII, one of the early radio serials was “Life With Luigi” with J. Carroll Nash. It was a humorous continuing story of an Italian immigrant’s path to becoming a citizen. He was a lovable character as I recall; no one thought it was racist to laugh at language errors, etc., and there were no slurs made against the old country. That’s the way it was. Many after WWII were taking citizenship classes, learning the cultural ways of the US and took great pride in being a part of the melting pot. My, how life has changed. And, I’m sure that today the PC police would find something to rant about; then we were happy to welcome people who wanted to do their part to be successful after the world upheaval.

]]> By: AnnieCarmel http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275745 AnnieCarmel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:37:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275745 Sadly, creeper, I believe their message is that our thoughts and desires are irrelevant. Sadly, creeper, I believe their message is that our thoughts and desires are irrelevant.

]]> By: AnnieCarmel http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275744 AnnieCarmel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:32:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275744 Tell us what it all means, Obi Wan. Tell us what it all means, Obi Wan.

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275700 Portia Elizabeth Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:30:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275700 I like the idea of faxes because it costs them money for the print-out pages. Just another small way to hit them where they hurt the most. :) I like the idea of faxes because it costs them money for the print-out pages. Just another small way to hit them where they hurt the most. :)

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275695 Portia Elizabeth Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:19:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275695 I used to live in Lakewood, OH, in Dennis Kucinich's district. He may seem a little eccentric, but I can guarantee he is <em>for the people.</em> He listens to his constituents and takes the time to reply personally. I used to live in Lakewood, OH, in Dennis Kucinich’s district. He may seem a little eccentric, but I can guarantee he is for the people. He listens to his constituents and takes the time to reply personally.

]]> By: mountainaires http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275685 mountainaires Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:53:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275685 True, but if you want to get the general structure and outline, this is a good one. At any rate, it's past history already, so what's the point of even reading the summary? Ha! Nevermind. :-) True, but if you want to get the general structure and outline, this is a good one. At any rate, it’s past history already, so what’s the point of even reading the summary?

Ha! Nevermind. :-)

]]> By: Clara http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275679 Clara Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:34:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275679 Rich, I've brought up the conundrum of coverage for the illegal immigrants whenever someone asked why people are upset about the bill. One small piece is that we will still have people who are here without legal status and if they have no coverage, they get emergency treatment or they can go to the local health department. Our system still bears the load of uncompensated care and that fact is not addressed in the bill. I'm not advocating that we let people have babies at home or ignore serious medical concerns because they aren't covered. EMTALA laws say that we will care for anyone without insurance if they present to the hospital emergency room or if they are in active labor. But no one is being compensated for what they do. To have any impact, immigration policy will need fixing first. Rich,
I’ve brought up the conundrum of coverage for the illegal immigrants whenever someone asked why people are upset about the bill. One small piece is that we will still have people who are here without legal status and if they have no coverage, they get emergency treatment or they can go to the local health department. Our system still bears the load of uncompensated care and that fact is not addressed in the bill. I’m not advocating that we let people have babies at home or ignore serious medical concerns because they aren’t covered. EMTALA laws say that we will care for anyone without insurance if they present to the hospital emergency room or if they are in active labor. But no one is being compensated for what they do.

To have any impact, immigration policy will need fixing first.

]]> By: Clara http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35894/hr-3926%e2%80%94congressional-graffiti/#comment-1275674 Clara Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:22:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35894#comment-1275674 Please don't waste the paper on faxes that may well go in the garbage. Phone calls do just fine. Please don’t waste the paper on faxes that may well go in the garbage. Phone calls do just fine.

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