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		<title>By: fred1</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275629</link>
		<dc:creator>fred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic problem with the suspense as to how many additional troops Obama will ultimately decide to send to Afghanistan, comes from the Administration&#039;s failure to control their public relations strategy. They should never have allowed Obama to publicly appear to be indefinately pondering the decision. There are plenty of other issues the White House could have focused on to divert attention from the appearance of presidential indecision.

As far as any ultimate decision he will reach, it is imperative that the twenty-seven other members of NATO be pressured to contribute, if not more troops, certainly more military aid, trainers, etc. The George W. Bush era is over. If necessary, the U.S. should pull additional troops for Afghanistan out of some bases in Europe. That should hopefully send a strong signal of displeasure to the other NATO members.

For people who favor the complete withdrawal of US troops out of Afghanistan, I think that it is safe to assume that if the Taliban regains control of Afghanistan, Al-Quada&#039;s terrorist bases will then be on both sides of the border, in Afghanistan, as well as Pakistan. Do we really wish to go back to a pre-911 situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic problem with the suspense as to how many additional troops Obama will ultimately decide to send to Afghanistan, comes from the Administration&#8217;s failure to control their public relations strategy. They should never have allowed Obama to publicly appear to be indefinately pondering the decision. There are plenty of other issues the White House could have focused on to divert attention from the appearance of presidential indecision.</p>
<p>As far as any ultimate decision he will reach, it is imperative that the twenty-seven other members of NATO be pressured to contribute, if not more troops, certainly more military aid, trainers, etc. The George W. Bush era is over. If necessary, the U.S. should pull additional troops for Afghanistan out of some bases in Europe. That should hopefully send a strong signal of displeasure to the other NATO members.</p>
<p>For people who favor the complete withdrawal of US troops out of Afghanistan, I think that it is safe to assume that if the Taliban regains control of Afghanistan, Al-Quada&#8217;s terrorist bases will then be on both sides of the border, in Afghanistan, as well as Pakistan. Do we really wish to go back to a pre-911 situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Unabashed Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275462</link>
		<dc:creator>Unabashed Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I might do a toon on this…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some sort of waffle(r) metaphor? ;)

Or Larry&#039;s &quot;punting&quot; metaphor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I might do a toon on this…</p></blockquote>
<p>Some sort of waffle(r) metaphor? <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or Larry&#8217;s &#8220;punting&#8221; metaphor?</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analogy, Pat. There seem to be three schools of thought on this:

1) The &quot;whole housers&quot; want an entire house, with plumbing, electricity, and all the amenities.

2) The &quot;no housers&quot; want to leave the lot vacant, regardless of what kind of varmints may come to infest the empty acreage.

3) The &quot;half-housers&quot; want to placate and please everybody.

&quot;So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analogy, Pat. There seem to be three schools of thought on this:</p>
<p>1) The &#8220;whole housers&#8221; want an entire house, with plumbing, electricity, and all the amenities.</p>
<p>2) The &#8220;no housers&#8221; want to leave the lot vacant, regardless of what kind of varmints may come to infest the empty acreage.</p>
<p>3) The &#8220;half-housers&#8221; want to placate and please everybody.</p>
<p>&#8220;So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Telegraph report is straight, he went with a slightly reinforced middle option. Completely filling that request and only slightly short of the maximum. I&#039;m willing to give it a shot. 


After a seventh meeting with senior advisers on the thorny issue of reinforcements, officials said he favoured the middle of three options presented by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the Nato and US commander in Afghanistan.

At the meetings - totalling 20 hours - Gen McChrystal had presented scenarios involving 40,000 more troops, 30,000 more and 20,000.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Telegraph report is straight, he went with a slightly reinforced middle option. Completely filling that request and only slightly short of the maximum. I&#8217;m willing to give it a shot. </p>
<p>After a seventh meeting with senior advisers on the thorny issue of reinforcements, officials said he favoured the middle of three options presented by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the Nato and US commander in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>At the meetings &#8211; totalling 20 hours &#8211; Gen McChrystal had presented scenarios involving 40,000 more troops, 30,000 more and 20,000.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat Racimora</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275456</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Racimora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without commenting on the pros and cons of staying in Afghanistan, Obama is making the worst choice possible.  It&#039;s like telling a builder who is trying follow the plan to a house being told by the owner, &quot;I know you need this much lumber and cement, but you&#039;ll have to make do with half that.&quot;  What is a half built house going to do for anyone?

I might do a toon on this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without commenting on the pros and cons of staying in Afghanistan, Obama is making the worst choice possible.  It&#8217;s like telling a builder who is trying follow the plan to a house being told by the owner, &#8220;I know you need this much lumber and cement, but you&#8217;ll have to make do with half that.&#8221;  What is a half built house going to do for anyone?</p>
<p>I might do a toon on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unabashed Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unabashed Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The war in Afghanistan is unnecessary and evil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

President Oxymoron said the war in Afghanistan was necessary. Now it appears he is waffling or never believed that in the first place.

He should take one position or the other and stick with it and show some backbone.

Yes indeed, it was much easier for him to pretend to be President while he was campaigning and perpetrating fraud to gain the office. Karma rules. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The war in Afghanistan is unnecessary and evil.</p></blockquote>
<p>President Oxymoron said the war in Afghanistan was necessary. Now it appears he is waffling or never believed that in the first place.</p>
<p>He should take one position or the other and stick with it and show some backbone.</p>
<p>Yes indeed, it was much easier for him to pretend to be President while he was campaigning and perpetrating fraud to gain the office. Karma rules. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The war in Afghanistan is unnecessary and evil. We should leave. Yesterday.
McCrystal is no military genius/ saint either.  He&#039;s stationed half the troops in freaking Bagram. Nuristan? Camp Keating? He signed off on the lies about Tilman for which he should have been court martialed and demoted.  He was responsible for Task Force 6-26 at Camp Nama.
He was appointed by BHO.  If he were not doing what BHO wanted then BHO would replace him even as he did McKiernan.  They aren&#039;t talking Long War strategy for nothing.  The plan is to make it last as long as possible.  All 80,000 troops and then some will be deployed before all&#039;s said and done.  I don&#039;t know why everyone acts so doubtful.  He&#039;s a warmonger bought and paid for, same as the last pos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war in Afghanistan is unnecessary and evil. We should leave. Yesterday.<br />
McCrystal is no military genius/ saint either.  He&#8217;s stationed half the troops in freaking Bagram. Nuristan? Camp Keating? He signed off on the lies about Tilman for which he should have been court martialed and demoted.  He was responsible for Task Force 6-26 at Camp Nama.<br />
He was appointed by BHO.  If he were not doing what BHO wanted then BHO would replace him even as he did McKiernan.  They aren&#8217;t talking Long War strategy for nothing.  The plan is to make it last as long as possible.  All 80,000 troops and then some will be deployed before all&#8217;s said and done.  I don&#8217;t know why everyone acts so doubtful.  He&#8217;s a warmonger bought and paid for, same as the last pos.</p>
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		<title>By: beebop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275437</link>
		<dc:creator>beebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twelve years of that sucking sound in DC is going to be terribly difficult for someone who is even marginally qualified to overcome.  

&quot;Me?  No, I&#039;m nothing like &lt;em&gt;those guys,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot; she/he said.  &quot;You can &lt;/em&gt;believe me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twelve years of that sucking sound in DC is going to be terribly difficult for someone who is even marginally qualified to overcome.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Me?  No, I&#8217;m nothing like <em>those guys,</em><em>&#8221; she/he said.  &#8220;You can </em>believe me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275433</link>
		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Charles Blow from the New York Times called Obama a fence straddler on MSNBCs Morning Joke earlier today. He said that Obama is afraid of making a decision that might be wrong so that he doesn&#039;t ever really make a decision.  

Sometimes you got to shit or get off the pot. You can only talk something to death for so long. Make a decision Present Obama (and yes, that&#039;s intentionally &quot;Present&quot; instead of President) and let the chips fall where they may. A supreme narcissist like himself will be able to spin any results as positive so I don&#039;t understand the fear to act. Maybe because it opens him up to criticism which is something Obama trys to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Charles Blow from the New York Times called Obama a fence straddler on MSNBCs Morning Joke earlier today. He said that Obama is afraid of making a decision that might be wrong so that he doesn&#8217;t ever really make a decision.  </p>
<p>Sometimes you got to shit or get off the pot. You can only talk something to death for so long. Make a decision Present Obama (and yes, that&#8217;s intentionally &#8220;Present&#8221; instead of President) and let the chips fall where they may. A supreme narcissist like himself will be able to spin any results as positive so I don&#8217;t understand the fear to act. Maybe because it opens him up to criticism which is something Obama trys to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: breeze</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275411</link>
		<dc:creator>breeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEXT ON THE &quot;APOLOGY TOUR&quot;:

Obama Says He Wants To Visit Hiroshima In Future

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_obama_hiroshima</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEXT ON THE &#8220;APOLOGY TOUR&#8221;:</p>
<p>Obama Says He Wants To Visit Hiroshima In Future</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_obama_hiroshima" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_obama_hiroshima</a></p>
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		<title>By: Unabashed Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/35904/slow-rolling-mcchrystal/#comment-1275410</link>
		<dc:creator>Unabashed Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &quot;change&quot;: Many folks in the last GE swallowed the whole nebulous &quot;change&quot; PR mantra whole - yet in their personal lives are still scared to death of it and do not actually embrace it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;change&#8221;: Many folks in the last GE swallowed the whole nebulous &#8220;change&#8221; PR mantra whole &#8211; yet in their personal lives are still scared to death of it and do not actually embrace it.</p>
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		<title>By: breeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>breeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama says he wants to visit Hiroshima in future
          
Malcolm Foster, 
Associated Press Writer 
Tue Nov 10, 2009
TOKYO 
– President Barack Obama says he wants to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki sometime during his presidency but won&#039;t have time during this week&#039;s trip to Japan to go to the cities devastated by U.S. atomic bombs at the end of World War II.

No sitting U.S. president has visited the two cities largely because of the controversy it could raise at home.

In an interview with Japanese broadcaster NHK that ran Tuesday, Obama said he would be unable to visit the cities on his trip to Japan this weekend due to time constraints but would be willing to do so in the future.

&quot;The memories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are etched in the minds of the world and I would be honored to have the opportunity to visit those cities at some point during my presidency,&quot; Obama said in the interview, done Monday at the White House.

Calls have grown in Japan for Obama to visit the two cities since his April speech in Prague envisioning a nuclear-free world and since he was named Nobel Peace Prize winner last month.

The mayors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have invited Obama to their cities before a U.N. review of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty next May. Japanese newspaper editorials and anti-nuclear activist groups have also called for Obama to come, pointing out that previous Nobel Peace Prize winners have visited the cities.

Many Japanese were impressed when new U.S. Ambassador John Roos visited Hiroshima last month, just weeks after he arrived in Tokyo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama says he wants to visit Hiroshima in future</p>
<p>Malcolm Foster,<br />
Associated Press Writer<br />
Tue Nov 10, 2009<br />
TOKYO<br />
– President Barack Obama says he wants to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki sometime during his presidency but won&#8217;t have time during this week&#8217;s trip to Japan to go to the cities devastated by U.S. atomic bombs at the end of World War II.</p>
<p>No sitting U.S. president has visited the two cities largely because of the controversy it could raise at home.</p>
<p>In an interview with Japanese broadcaster NHK that ran Tuesday, Obama said he would be unable to visit the cities on his trip to Japan this weekend due to time constraints but would be willing to do so in the future.</p>
<p>&#8220;The memories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are etched in the minds of the world and I would be honored to have the opportunity to visit those cities at some point during my presidency,&#8221; Obama said in the interview, done Monday at the White House.</p>
<p>Calls have grown in Japan for Obama to visit the two cities since his April speech in Prague envisioning a nuclear-free world and since he was named Nobel Peace Prize winner last month.</p>
<p>The mayors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have invited Obama to their cities before a U.N. review of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty next May. Japanese newspaper editorials and anti-nuclear activist groups have also called for Obama to come, pointing out that previous Nobel Peace Prize winners have visited the cities.</p>
<p>Many Japanese were impressed when new U.S. Ambassador John Roos visited Hiroshima last month, just weeks after he arrived in Tokyo.</p>
<p>continued&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Unabashed Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unabashed Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks should ask this to themselves: when was the last time I changed my viewpoint on an important issue?

If they scratch their noggin and go &quot;Hmmmmm&quot; that&#039;s a sure sign of intellectual/spiritual lack of growth / stagnation.

As reminded by the Exodus thread last night: At one point I used to side with Israel, probably due to the fact I have Jewish blood in my heritage as well as swallowing the propaganda whole. Now I side with the truth, which is much more complex than any simple &quot;us versus them&quot; mentality.

Did it hurt when I forced myself to change my views based on logical analysis of new evidence presented to me or uncovered? Sure did! But that is a pain well worth suffering! :)

Most people are scared to death of changing their views. We see it on this blog in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks should ask this to themselves: when was the last time I changed my viewpoint on an important issue?</p>
<p>If they scratch their noggin and go &#8220;Hmmmmm&#8221; that&#8217;s a sure sign of intellectual/spiritual lack of growth / stagnation.</p>
<p>As reminded by the Exodus thread last night: At one point I used to side with Israel, probably due to the fact I have Jewish blood in my heritage as well as swallowing the propaganda whole. Now I side with the truth, which is much more complex than any simple &#8220;us versus them&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>Did it hurt when I forced myself to change my views based on logical analysis of new evidence presented to me or uncovered? Sure did! But that is a pain well worth suffering! <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Most people are scared to death of changing their views. We see it on this blog in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Unabashed Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unabashed Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is liberating to no longer be a strict partisan, that&#039;s for sure. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is liberating to no longer be a strict partisan, that&#8217;s for sure. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, playing hostage with civil rights, as if they would only apply to one race of Americans. The PC-ing and media desensitizing  of rampant racism. You have been voicing for a bit now Galt, it is time to let down our hair so to speak, and just be truthful. Like it or not being the receiver on many occasions by black and Muslim and anti-war supporters, I find myself now seeing the development of some full blown biases within; which I can live with at this point in time. I know when I can &quot;listen&quot; and when I cannot. I don&#039;t know if it is the fact my B.S. meter is repaired, or that I know I was irrational in a  previous total hatred of all things Republican; but now I see, when I couldn&#039;t before. I knew logically no one party is right or wrong, etc. It took being marginalized as a women, concurrent with being rejected by a party I was &quot;devoted&quot; to.

There is more than one seed planted by independent thought; I am experiencing the growth of those seeds, allowing me the comprehension of many perspectives, within the construct of my &quot;opinions&quot; and viewpoints. Spring cleaning as it were; interesting, most opinions have morphed but a few always remain the same.

You know changing my perspective, once again, has reminded me who is in charge of developing my ability to &quot;see&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, playing hostage with civil rights, as if they would only apply to one race of Americans. The PC-ing and media desensitizing  of rampant racism. You have been voicing for a bit now Galt, it is time to let down our hair so to speak, and just be truthful. Like it or not being the receiver on many occasions by black and Muslim and anti-war supporters, I find myself now seeing the development of some full blown biases within; which I can live with at this point in time. I know when I can &#8220;listen&#8221; and when I cannot. I don&#8217;t know if it is the fact my B.S. meter is repaired, or that I know I was irrational in a  previous total hatred of all things Republican; but now I see, when I couldn&#8217;t before. I knew logically no one party is right or wrong, etc. It took being marginalized as a women, concurrent with being rejected by a party I was &#8220;devoted&#8221; to.</p>
<p>There is more than one seed planted by independent thought; I am experiencing the growth of those seeds, allowing me the comprehension of many perspectives, within the construct of my &#8220;opinions&#8221; and viewpoints. Spring cleaning as it were; interesting, most opinions have morphed but a few always remain the same.</p>
<p>You know changing my perspective, once again, has reminded me who is in charge of developing my ability to &#8220;see&#8221;.</p>
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