This all took place before he was tortured.

There isn’t much doubt that he’ll be found guilty. I don’t see much doubt that he’ll get the death penalty. There are laws in place to protect intelligence from being disseminated during public trials.

What’s the problem with having a trial in New York?

A “show trial?” What does that mean, exactly. Every trial is a “show” in the sense that it is an exercise of our justice system, an exhibition of a system of laws, an example of our CONSTITUTION in action. Is there something in that that we should be ashamed of? I don’t think so; it’s a perfect opportunity to remind ourselves that we are actually NOT the same as the terrorists. It is a moment to remember that we are supposed to be a country of LAWS, not men.

“Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf States. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.”

– Pentagon-appointed U.S. Defense Science Board on Sept. 23, 2004

“America’s policy choices have consequences. Right or wrong, it is simply a fact that American policy regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and American actions in Iraq are dominant staples of popular commentary across the Arab and Muslim world. … Neither Israel nor the new Iraq will be safer if worldwide Islamist terrorism grows stronger.” (pp. 376-377)

— 9/11 Commission Report

Shining a Light on the Root of Terrorism

http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2009/11/15/shining-a-light-on-the-roots-of-terrorism/

On the other hand, I absolutely agree with you that trying Khalid Sheik Muhammed and his Gitmo buddies in NYC is not the optimal choice.

But there are those in the law who suggest that there was a method to the justice departments madness: typical Obama administration show. They suggest that the trials will actually never take place in New York – that the attorney’s will ask for a change of venue (they can’t get a fair trial in NY), and most likely the change of venue will be granted.

As to where the trials should be held, or under the jurisdiction of what court or tribunal…. my sources say there really is no precedent since the post WW II trials.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com
Author, A YEAR IN MY PAJAMAS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA, The Politics of Strange Bedfellows

Excellent point.

Israel grabbing Eichmann in a sovereign nation is a better comparative for the CIA nabbing of Egyptian cleric from a Milan street…the CIA extraordinary rendition case that has recently brought charges against 23 CIA operatives in Italy.

And, no, imo, Eichmann was not a terrorist, he was a war criminal. He would not be the first nor the last underling that failed to obey C&D military orders.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you.

I do understand your needing and wanting to make a distinction. It is my understanding that the Military charged him with “Premeditated Mass Murders”,, which is about as close as they can come to the definition of a terrorist and still maintain jurisdiction.

There is no way Hassan will be given a GITMO style tribunal, so we are left with either a Military Court or the much riskier Civilian court.

To me the cut and dried procedural process provides of Military providers a firewall for quicker cleaner REAL justice, with limited involvement/decisions by the Obama WH and their Wacky affiliations and perverted ideas.

Do you remember the Charles Manson murders? He was a terrorist, but a”hero” to Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. That happened back in the late 60′s. Taxpayers are STILL providing free medical, dental, wages, recreation, clothing, housing and 3 squares a day, as this monster just simply refuses to DIE. He also get periodic parole hearings. Why on earth should taxpayers being paying for all this to the tune of $50,000+ a year??

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070524114642AApPXEt

While I want Hassan to suffer some, which I am sure he will in a military brig, I also want to have him executed as quickly as possible. For me it is criminal insanity to have taxpayers supporting these monsters with any kind of long term human comforts.

I believe you and I want to end up in the same place. I am willing to lighten up on the label, as I just want to ensure that there is no chance of Hassan escaping the justice due him.

Yet another humiliating moment for the people of this country.

His Bow in the first frame of the video, at the end, to the Empress would have also been correct for the Emperor. The one he did give the Emperor says in clear body language that Obama is a working class Japanese subject who does not deserve the honor of being in the Emperor’s presence.

For someone who supposedly spent 8years at an expensive private school, his manners are appallingly low class, and his knowledge of deportment protocol totally non-exisitent.

Disgusting!!

it will end up needlessly delaying justice and costing the taxpayers additional expense. Have people become so obsessed with PR and spin that they’ve forgotten how to think?

Precsely!

And do not for a moment think that Obama and his WAKSO will not have their sticky fingers all over this.

Excecution?? That is a long shot given that they were tortured. More likely a mis-trial because their so called rights were violated.

Timothy McVeigh was tried in civilian courts. His label was meaningless. But think how many appeals and how many years we paid for him to be held alive and in custody.

Wouldn’t you rather have a much quicker, and cleaner final resolution?

As Larry astutely points out it really does not matter whether we label him a murderer or a terrorist.

Myself, I am very comfortable that he will be tried in a Military Court for the following reasons:

1. He will be kept in a Brig with other Military people, and I doubt if they will be exchanging cheery ‘Hellos” with him. His visitors will be closely screened.

2. The guards will be Military, and they will follow Military protocols, and will not worry too much about Political Correctness.

3. Hassan will be less likely to corrupt others in a Military prison. Keep in mind that most Islamic “converts” in this country come from within out own prison system.

4. Larry Can Correct me if I am in error. But from what I have read, evidentiary rules are more stringent and regulated in Military procedures, thus eliminating much of the psycho babble, discrimination and extraneous paths and arguments allowed in a civilian court. The number of appeals are more limited than in our civilian system.

We do not have to be concerned with CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, Black Panthers or any of the other Islamic groups Obama is, or has been, affiliated being involved in the adjudication or decisions. All will be done by MILITARY people.

5. Even in a Military Court it will be a lengthy procedure and not resolved within a week. Hassan’s family (tribe?) has already indicated they are willing to go to any lengths to defend him.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6710592.html

If we go the Civilian court route the appeals, exceptions, and arguments can go on and on past most of our remaining lifetimes. If Hassan’s family hires someone like Alan Dershowitz, it can be an ongoing circus like the OJ Simpson trial in California.

6. It costs about $50,000+ a year to keep someone like Hassan in a regular prison. Surely all those high priced lawyers his family hires will demand and sue that Hassan’s $90,000/year salary remain active. In Military proceedings Hassan’s salary will most like be suspended or put on hold. All those involved in the adjudication and decisions are already paid by the military, thus saving the American taxpayer millions of dollars at least.

7. A trial by the Military would have less influence from POTUS. Also, POTUS knows he would risk his presidency if he pardons or commutes the decision of a Military court, no matter how many of his WACKO friends or Islamic groups pressure him to do so.

8. Perhaps most importantly, our troops need to see that the Military and its justice CAN and WILL protect them. Right now morale among the troops is at an all time low. We as civilians can help by letting the Military do its job.

We can also let the troops know that “WE THE PEOPLE”, despite POTUS, wholeheartedly support them and their sacrifices in keeping us all safe. Xerox has developed cards where you get to pick which one you like and write a message to the troops. You do not designate who will get the card. Xerox is most likely sending them to those who need them most. Here is the link and its FREE:

http://www.letssaythanks.com/Home.html