As for the question are you a dem?
The answer is no. I am a conservative. I believe less qov’t is best gov’t. obama, clinton, mccain,not much difference.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/06/obama-and-mccai.html

i’m not sure why you don’t realize that it’s insulting that i’m here having a calm, civilized conversation and you preemptively say, “Please do not say hope and change.” you have deluded yourself into thinking that obama supporters can’t tell the difference between policy proposals and the intangible aspects of a candidate. i see a lot of dumb shit on this website, but i don’t assume that all people who don’t want to vote for obama feel this way.

“If you have any actual planks of his platform to share with me please do. ”

go to his website, listen to his speeches. if you want to hear his policy prescriptions, they are there. if you don’t, you won’t see it.

“higher taxes and more gov’t”

are you a democrat? obama doesn’t want this any more than hillary does. but it’s a silly canard anyways.

i understand, but my point is that you seem to think that you’ve located identifying characteristics of this behavior but i’m not sure that you have. you shouldn’t assume that a new voter is only voting b/c he’s black. and you shouldn’t assume that anecdotal evidence of voting based on skin color is evidence of a greater pattern.

“I can not understand anyone voting for a person because it is a historical moment. Male, female, black, white etc.”

absolutely, i agree.

“he has no platform for me to support”

if you mean to say that he has no platform, you are woefully mistaken. so much so that i would have to conclude that you did not try very hard. he has an extensive platform that is very easy to find and very easy for any democrat to support.

if you mean to say that you can’t support it, well, again, i’m not sure why but i don’t know anything about you, so i won’t presume to try to figure it out.

i also disagree that obama has been doing this. i know that i won’t convince you of that. fine, we will have to disagree.

but there are a lot of people here who make inconsistent claims that, when you unpack them, suddenly make it clear that the person is dead set against obama but can’t really articulate why. or why voting for mccain makes any goddamn sense at all. not everyone, but a lot of people. and it’s impossible to have useful civic debate when people obfuscate like that.

my comment, on the other hand, is directed at preferences and what we can tell from that.

your question though belies a certain amount of contempt for Obama’s supporters. you are claiming that there is some cohort of black voters who a) wanted to vote before, b) complained that they couldn’t, and c) magically could this year. i would be surprised to find out that there is any evidence that this is the case. we don’t know what the makeup of the new voters are. we DO know there is historically a lot of apathy in ALL demographic groups. if Obama spurred some previously apathetic blacks (and whites, i might add) to vote, that is not evidence that they were previously not voting b/c their only choices were white. in fact, black voting rates are similar to white voting rates historically and there is almost never a black to vote for in the presidential election.

If you would just listen to yourself….It’s always the inconsistencies that expose the truth. Now go take a look at your candidate and his inconsitencies. He doesn’t even know where he’ll stand tomorrow!

Just because Obama knows how to play dirty and knows how to get annoited by pushing everyone else off the ballot, does not make him an experienced leader for this country.

People talk about how Bush had no experience, yet he was a governor. Doesn’t mean he can run a country…and we all know he can’t.

however, it’s been my impression that even his substantive critics (including McCain and Clinton) recognize his time as a community organizer, state senator, and instructor of constitutional law. he made some sacrifices to do that work to the exclusion of other, easier, more lucrative work. he may be another politician and you may not like him for a variety of reasons, but if you take a step back it is obvious that he cares deeply for this country and wants to help make it better. (and the same can be said about john mccain, as much as i despise his policies.)

it’s just destructive to conclude otherwise in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

gotta run, i’m being paged back to the hive for new instructions.

2. the original commenter referred to “obama’s elitist remark about arugula.”

3. AnninCa says that (2) is referring to (1).

4. i ask how a comment on the price is an elitist remark (seriously go look up the word).

5. you state that i do not have command of the facts yet you don’t bother to actually tell me what i’ve missed.

it’s a very convenient, and well-worn, tactic. you won’t deign to explain it b/c the dopey (paid) bot troll would never get it. and, therefore, you never have to address the question.

thanks again.

which is different vs. Clinton, because neither of their policies are anti-minority rights. so more can be said about the existence of racism. and it goes both ways. and it is sad. and it is mostly related to low-information voting. and we should try to change it. but we should do so with dialogue, not hatred.

which is why i’m here trying to make my case and not spew invective.

-bull s**t

America’s health care has “third world outputs”?

Is that why Canadians and Europeans come over to America to get the “third world” treatment that they can’t get in their own countries in a timely manner, if at all?

Your “real issues” are not real…they are lies.