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Downfall POTUS

 

Hiroshima Again.  
At Tokyo, the peculiar bow by POTUS to the diminutive Japanese Emperor Akhitio elicited predictable media chit-chat on the Monday following the event, including this anchor inquiry from MSNBC, “Why was this considered by some a gaffe?”

The answer is less significant to me than the speculation that the POTUS conduct may be connected to an apology or an expression of remorse with regard the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945. 

No Doubts.

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Spoke Saturday 14 with Dennis Giangreco, author, “Hell to Pay: Operation DOWNFALL and the Invasion of Japan 1945-1947.”

The documented facts re the decision to use the first available atomic weapons on strategic targets, Hiroshima and Nagasaki,” supports a general statement that Harry Truman and his military and civilian advisers, including Marshall, Leahy, Turner, King, Arnold, Hull, Grew and more, examined very closely the real-time estimates of what casualties the US would suffer in the event of an amphibious invasion of the home islands.  They also looked at estimated Japanese casualties, military and civilian.

The planning for DOWNFALL started in the summer 1944 and was continually updated into the Spring 1945.   The Japanese suicidal resistance on Okinawa kept readjusting the ratios.  The first two weeks of April 1945, US casualties were 7 thousand per week, and then continued at 35oo per week through April, May and into June.

The actual number of US casualties was not the 35 thousand by June 1 but actually double that, in the 65-70 thousand range, including battle fatigue and exhaustion.  All this changed the estimates on DOWNFALL.  I was shocked, and you will be, too.  Herbert Hoover, the ageless and timeless public servant, who was assisting the FDR and now the Truman administrations (Truman assumed POTUS mid-April at FDR’s death), got involved in numbers crunching in late May.  Truman personally invited Hoover to the White House, and Hoover traveled from the New York Waldorf (where he lived in the penthouse) to the White House on May 28.

When Hoover returned to New York, he drafted a memo that went to POTUS and presented the bald fact that a minimum casualty number was 500 thousand and that 1 million casualties was possible.  Did Truman believe it?  Yes.  It was based upon Hoover’s good, sound, field tested information from Iwo Jima and Okinawa battlefields.  The draft had already started looking for 600 thousand new soldiers as replacements for the estimated casualties.

The Truman administration was in preparation for a living nightmare, hence “Hell to Pay.”  They gave orders to prepare 500 thousand Purple Hearts.  They gave orders to prepare 700 thousand hospital beds stateside to receive the wounded.  The estimates of casualties kept climbing.  By June 1947 the official estimate was still based upon the low number of one US combat casualty for every seven Japanese combat casualties.

Using the baseline of 3.5 million combat personnel available for the defense of the homeland, that meant the half million.  However by Summer 1945, the DoD believed that the Japanese were capable of fielding 5 million or more men with weapons in defense of the homeland, which would raise the estimates to three quarters of a million at best.  And climbing.

What Didn’t Truman Know?
Truman and his generals and admirals, chiefly General George Marshall and Admiral King, did not know that the Japanese had fully anticipated exactly how and where the US would invade and had prepared the killing fields with divisions ordered to die in place.

The Japanese battle plan, Ketsu-Go, assigned 13 Divisions to southern most in the homeland chain Kyushu Island, which they anticipated would be the first target.  They were correct.  Operation DOWNFALL was to go in two phases, and the first was Operation OLYMPIC, with X-Day on November 1, 1945.  The Japanese divisions dug in well back from the landing zones which they anticipated, and they were exactly correct in their choices.  Also, Kyushu had a civilian population of ten million people, who remained in place.

The US was going to launch 14 divisions against 13 Japanese divisions, a formula for disaster.   The second phase of DOWNFALL was Operation Coronet, and it was to launch on Y-Day, March 1, 1946, when 40 Allied divisions were to assault the main island of Honshu.  Again, Ketsu-Go anticipated correctly, and the Japanese planned to have a comparable force that was well dug in, again to fight to the death.

Add to this misery that fact that the Japanese Air Force was much larger than the US figured because it had been reconfigured with wooden built Kamikazes.  The Kamikaze was the single most effective weapon the Japanese ever employed, and the US suppressed the facts of how devastating the attacks had been at Okinawa.

Adding all this preparation, most of it unknown to the US command, the Japanese warlords were prepared to lose 20 million people of all types in order to drain and neutralize the Allied invasions.  The Japanese warlord aim, supported by the Emperor Hirohito, was to make the invasion so costly that the US would offer a ceasefire, thereby preserving the Japanese empire for a negotiated withdrawal of all forces from the homeland.

The Decision.

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The strategic bombing plan was to use four atomic weapons against four lesser cities to cow the warlords into surrender.  Truman’s choice was stark.  Destroy several hundred thousand Japanese or commit to the credible possibility of one million or more US casualties over the next two years.

The situation would likely have been much worse.

After the first atomic strike on Hiroshima, August 6, the warlords sent out what was interpreted as surrender messages; but after the second strike on Nagasaki, August 9, the warlords fell silent.  Marshall accepted the fact that the warlords would not surrender, and he argued that the next two bombs be kept back for use later in the invasion.  Marshall wanted the first seven to nine bombs dropped on Kyushu Island just before November 1.  Then Marshall wanted the invasion troops to wait forty-eight hours and attack through the debris.

Marshall knew what the bombs would do; he had gone to New Mexico.  But no one knew what radiation would do over time.  Ten million Japanese civilians on Kyushu, plus 13 Japanese divisions and 14 Allied divisions, plus the American fleet of battleships, carriers, destroyers, troop transports, all of it, under a rain of fallout.   This was the eve of the horror.  It didn’t come, because on August 14 the warlords surrendered, to the great surprise and prayerful relief of Truman, Marshall and the admirals.

James Michener, October 20, 1945.  
The novelist and chronicler James Michener wrote a letter to a comrade after the surrender to explain what he, Michener, had thought when he heard of the bombs.

Aware that the progressives were already campaigning against Truman for his decision to use the bombs, Michener asked that the letter not be made public until after his death:  “How did we react?  With a gigantic sigh of relief, not exultation because of our victory, but a deep gut-wrenching sigh of deliverance.  We had stared into the mouth of Armageddon and suddenly the confrontation was no longer necessary.  We had escaped those deadly beaches of Kyushu.”

Sixty-four Years Later.

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The Japanese people of 1945 were obedient to an emperor and a cabinet of warlords who fully aimed to kill and wound as many Americans as possible while ordering the self-destruction of millions of Japanese civilians, especially including women and children.

Does America now indulge in revisionism and fault Truman and Marshall and their cadre for choosing between Hiroshima and Nagasaki and one hundred times those losses?

The whole of the Pacific and Asia was losing 400 thousand casualties a month as long as the Japanese continued to resist.  Europe was starving and in ruins.  Southeast Asia, Korea, the Philippines, all the islands, were desperate and in need.  Wait for blockade?  Wait for negotiation?  Wait for what?  The decision was made to bomb.  And when that didn’t work as of August 9, the decision was made to invade.  Truman crossed the line.  He accepted both scenarios, August 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.   Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not enough.  Suddenly Truman had to live with his decision to launch fifty-four divisions into Hell.

 Apologize?  Remorse?  Bows?  I await more information, but for now I am puzzled.  Does the Obama administration have the facts of why Truman gave the order to use the bombs?

 

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Reprinted from the blog for my syndicated radio show.

  • Onofre’s arm

    There’s a good chance that many of the posters here might not even exist if Truman hadn’t made the right decision to nuke Japan. How many of our parents may have been lost with a long and bloody invasion?

  • WhatNow

    This was fascinating!

  • Tony Stark

    The Japanese have yet to apologize for the millions of civilians they killed in China and Korea and in the lands they conquered. Germans are regularly bashed in films and literature for their role in the war in Europe, but somehow, the Japanese are protected from such criticism in America.

  • lark

    In the eye of the beholder in her estimation. Cute. Everything should be in the eye of the beholder and the world would be a happy very happy place with thugs reigning and weaklings serving a life sentence under them. Down with education, policy, and etiquette.

  • Tony Stark

    Great article, but you forgot to mention that the US troops in Europe were already being shifted to the Pacific at the time that the nukes were being dropped. They had just survived the hell of fighting across France and Germany, and they were about to face an even more fanatical foe in the Japanese home islands where their luck likely would have run out. These were also troops that were not experienced in the type of war that took place in the Pacific and probably would have initially suffered a higher rate of casualties compared to the troops who battled their way from island to island to reach Kyushu. An interesting question would have been what would the Russians have done knowing that they were unopposed in occupied Germany with the largest army in the world with the US tied up in the Pacific? Would they have just decided to shove the British aside and headed for France? would they have had an excuse then to invade northern Japan and carve up Japan into two countries like what happened to Korea?

  • Peggy Sue

    I’ve often wondered if I would even be sitting here typing these words if President Trumen had not made the decision that he made. Yes, it was awful. Mindblowing. But he made the decision. And with that decision my father survived, my mother [a Wave} came home and I was born 4+ years later, a war baby, a baby boomer.

    Was there another way to go? Well, if there was we sure don't know about it. Everything I've read said the Japenese had no intention of surrendering. They thought the US was bluffing. They thought after Hiroshama that we had shot our wad. They had no idea [nor did the American public] that we had additional weapons in the ready and a plan to fight to the end.

    What can I say? I’m grateful to be here. I’m grateful my father [and father-in-law] survived. My life, my sister’s life, my husband’s life [and his brother's], my son’s and any future grandchildren we may have depend on that decision.

    My father survived Okinawa. Would he have survived an invasion of the Japanese mainland? I have no idea.

    All I know is that I was born and that I’m alive right now. I have no apology for that, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Truman’s decision is something I should be grateful for.

    And Obama’s deep bow to the Japanese Emperor?

    Don’t even get me started!

  • Tony Stark

    Another historical tidbit is that there was an attempted coup launched by some officers who were trying to prevent Emperor Hirohito from ordering the surrender of Japan. Had the coup succeeded, Operation Olympic would have proceeded in November 1945 with disaster for everybody.

  • Patience

    Very informative — I really appreciate this!

  • Cugel

    Some of the viewers here may enjoy reading an essay by Paul Fussell titled ‘Thank God for the Atom Bomb’, in a collection of his pieces in a book by the same name. Fussell, who was one of those veterans who was shifted from combat duty in Europe to the Pacific as the projected invasion approached, covers some of the arguments over the use of the bomb, points out the role of class in determining the viewpoint an individual will have.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    My sneaking suspicion is that Obama digs showmanship, hence the dramatic bow.

    That said, I thank Truman for making the impossible decision. The buck did stop with him.

    Having grown up in the shadow of Hanford Nuclear Reservation and near a Strategic Air Command base, the gravity of that decision lingered long after the bombing of Japan. It was general knowledge that if Hanford were ever bombed, we had a couple of minutes before the radiation waves would hit. It hung over us like a gray cloud. When Mt St Helen’s volcano blew, you wouldn’t believe how many thought Hanford had finally been hit.

    We, as kids, did the duck and cover in school and lived with weekly air raid drills long after much of the nation had stopped. I remember the Cuban missile crisis. The teachers were tense and we practiced going into the bomb shelter twice a day. When Kennedy was assassinated, we were quietly loaded on the bus to go home without knowing when, if ever, we would come back to school.

    Me, too. Don’t get me started on Obama…

  • Onofre’s arm

    That’s not entirely true, there just haven’t been many recent movies or depictions of the Japanese atrocities that occured before and during WW II. Most of the war movies made in the 50′s and 60′s, and some in the 70′s, did NOT pull punches in the graphic depiction of Japanese cruelty and bloodlust.
    Perhaps you’ve been sheltered from the criticism by a politically correct environment. I’m often amazed by the shock and incredulity of sheltered people when I confront them with realities that they’ve never been exposed to. Our educational system has done a remarkable job of scrubbing uncomfortable facts and events from the record, and hiding them from our children.

  • http://! stodgie

    the short and simple to me is that obama’s handlers tried to steer him the right way but he is so stupid, arrogant and a bumpkin. he thinks he is “kool” and will show everyone just what a sharp dude he thinks he is.

    he doesn’t give a rip what the emperor, queen of england or the american people think. he does care what ayers, his deluded mother and rev wright think.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Prezidunce Obysmal is one strange amalgam. This is what happens when you combine an unrepentant terrorist “guy in the neighborhood” with a black liberation “God damn Amerikkka” theologian. :D

  • Peggy Sue

    No, I think Tony is correct. We have had something of a whitewash of Japanese atrocities. The Nanking Massacre was only released within the last decade and then a number of nonfiction and fiction accounts started to bubble to the surface. The Nazis were easily condemned. But I’ll be honest. As a grade school, middle school and high school student, I never heard of the Holocaust. It wasn’t until I went to college that I saw the first films of the Brits bulldozing bodies into mass graves. I had read Leon Uris’s novels but I thought [innocently] that they were merely fiction. The subject was never touched in school, nor did my parents discuss the extermination camps.

    I have to tell you: when I saw the British films? I was physically sick. I never thought at the raw age of 18 that human beings could be so monstrous, so evil.

    But Japanese excess? Beyond the stories my father and uncles brought home, I had only the Saturday TV reruns of Bridge on the River Kwai to refer to.

    But then, I read and read more. And I realized the horror of the Third Reich was equaled by the the Land of the Rising Sun. And I also understood my father and uncles and father-in-law’s point of view.

    My research was secondary. Their experience was primal and indisputable.

  • Jillie

    if obama had been president instead of truman, we’d all be speaking japanese.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    I was thinking German. The pantywaist would have tried to appease Hitler like Neville Chamberlain did.

  • lahana

    Regarding the bombing of Hiroshama and Nagasaki:

    In addition to all the additional deaths that would have occurred if the atomic bombs had not been used, has anyone considered what would have happened if the first (and only) wartime use of atomic weapons had happened not at the end of a conflict but instead at the start of it. Atomic weapons were going to be invented. Not only were we working on these weapons, but so were the Germans, and one of the first things the Soviets did when they got into Germany was to have the german nuclear scientists sent back to Russia. If these weapons had been used at the beginning of a new war, it would not have been just two cities that were destroyed, there would have been continual payback until both sides were finally exausted.

    Am I happy that two cities were hit with nuclear weapons? No. But considering what would have happened if they had been used at the beginning of a war instead of at the end of one when everyone had the leisure to see just how horrific they were, I think that the world got off easy.

  • West Virginia

    Let’s keep in mind Sony and other major companies in Japan who 1) bought the rights to many old films, only to vault them and 2) After GHW Bush made a big deal on Dec 7, 1988 Japanese auto and electronic companies threatened boycott of TV ads placed on any network that aired anti Japanese war movies. Only Ted Turner resisted the following year by running war movies all day on Dec 7, 1989.

    Sounds like how Axelrod controlled media in Chicago and .. am I wrong .. or do we not see hardly any military recruitment ads placed on Fox these days.

    I digress. Good story. Most of us knew what you just told us, but can easily forget when the media keeps trying to rewrite history to satisfy a moment of movement in time. I am glad you slapped us in the noggin with truths our parents and grandparents would not want us to forget.

  • lorac

    Galt – “panty-waist”???

    Don’t compare BO to women, not fair! :(

  • sandra

    You are crazy – Obama was apologizing to the Emperor of Japan for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with his bow? Please tell me how you have proof of this? what lengths will you go to to make him look bad? contrary to what you all think, the Japanese were very impressed with his behavior and he truly did not offend anyone but you Obama haters. he is showing weakness because he bowed – this is ridiculous and you are full of it.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    No offense meant to women intended. :)

    Means “weak” as I use it.

  • Tammy

    Drop the bomb in Afghanistan and get this over with.

    Oh, and Lorac, you complete idiot, the “panty-waist” term came from a well known piece written by a Brit.
    It was a reference to Obama.
    Are you really as stupid as your posts?

    That’s not rhetorical. The answer is, “yes”.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well jeeze, you’re proving my point more than supporting Tony’s point. YOU are the type of sheltered person I’m talking about. Where the Hell were you raised that you didn’t know about the Holocaust until you were 18? You never heard of the rape of Nanking until recent accounts? How about the Bataan death march? These aren’t secret events, they’ve been known about from the instant eye witnesses related them. These are events that I’ve been raised with for more than 53 years, and I can’t remember a time when I didn’t know about them. And this is my point, that you say I’m wrong about, the facts about WWII and the atrocities in both theaters, have not been secrets, and were not ignored by Hollywood. My guess is that they were intentionally ignored by the progressive/communist movements within this country. The progressives that hated the cold war because of their devotion to the Soviet Union, also hated Truman and his decision to nuke Japan. Yes, in the 40′s communists called themselves the code name “Progressives”, and they’ve been engaged since then in constant efforts to distort, scrub, and conceal the truth on a number of issues, from the average American. Just ask David Horowitz. His view of American history became vastly different when the blinders were finally removed from his eyes, and he was shocked at how he could have been so brainwashed by such far left insanity.

    Maybe your admission that you weren’t aware of this history isn’t so much an indication that the information wasn’t available, as it is that you, for whatever reason, simply avoided all of the massive, and available information.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Panty waist is not defined as a slur against women. It means weak, effeminate, or CHILDISH. It gained popularity in the 1920 – 30′s. It also means a type of child’s clothing. Does it discriminate against children, too? LOL!

    Enough with the PC. Women need to be stronger than whining about a word like pantywaist.

    Actually, it describes Obama perfectly.

  • Tammy

    Ahhh, so now it was okay to drop the bomb, but waterboarding is EVIL? Oh, I forget, a DEMOCRAT dropped the bomb, so that makes it okay.

    You guys are such hypocrites.
    And I know this will never get posted, so what the hell.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Ahhh, so now it was okay to drop the bomb, but waterboarding is EVIL? Oh, I forget, a DEMOCRAT dropped the bomb, so that makes it okay.

    That makes no sense at all. Apples and oranges axiom applies. :)

    You guys are such hypocrites.

    Many times what we despise in others are a reflection of self. I’d suggest looking into that. ;)

    And I know this will never get posted, so what the hell.

    Delusions of grandeur much? :D

    Your comments are like a train wreck: a site to behold but full of senseless carnage. :P

  • TeakWoodKite

    Try as I might Galt, I could not escape the same thought. I even was late to view the “The BO bow”, which made MJ’s Moonwalkin’ look like a bad dance step on “Dancing with the Stars”.

    If Bush got creamed for missing the door on exit in China then why does BO get a pass?

    So in BO’s version of history Pearl Harbor never happened? I thought he was born there. Guess not.

    No disrespect to the leaders of Japan, but as BO is fond of sayin, “I am of two minds”.

  • Peggy Sue

    I confess, I was a sheltered individual. The Holocaust was never mentioned in any class I ever had in South Jersey. My parent’s never discussed it.

    To my horror, I discovered it in college, late 60s.

    Btw, David Horowitz was a Far Leftist [his parents were communists] before he was ever a Republican.

    I make no apologies for my 18-year old ignorance. But I’m not going to do a mea culpa either. My father was a staunch, lifelong Republican. My mother and her family were generation-long Dems–party loyalists, block captains and union advocates. The family goes back to the Civil War, Irish immigrants who shed blood and sweat for this country.

    I apologize for none of it.

    Not to you. Not to anyone!

  • Tammy

    No, my carnage makes sense.
    You make none.

    And people who use smiley and frowny faces to make their points are so juvenile that I don’t even give them my time.
    “Galt”?
    HILARIOUS!

    Go read Atlas Shrugs,little boy.

  • NomNomNom

    thx, great article.
    too bad we wasted american dollars to rebuild their freaking empire and their loathsome emperor’s spawn is still living to host international leaders, such as they f#cking are.
    The two atomic bombs they got were too good for them.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Reactionary whackjobs are no better than radical ones. Both are why America is in such deep profound trouble. You are too full of your self-righteous paranoid self to ever see that.

  • Peggy Sue

    No, Tammy. You’re the hypocrite, so quick to trash any Dem action, while sanctioning anything the Republicans do.

    Both parties are dog food. Or haven’t you figured that out yet?

    Go back to Hillbuzz. I understand they now love a Republican love-fest.

    Fool!

  • jwrjr

    There are a couple of historical things to remember. One of them is that the way the war ended was much less bad than is we had tried to invade Japan – for us but also for the Japanese civilians. This is not to say that the atomic bombs were good. But rather that the alternative would almost certainly be much worse.
    Also, there was a third bomb ready to be dropped. That one would have been dropped on Tokyo. Fortunately that was not used.
    Fortunately for us all, neither Bush (the lesser) nor Obama were “war-time” presidents then.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    She will never figure out for all intensive purposes both parties have become just two sides of the same greedy power-hungry fuck the populace coin.

  • NomNomNom

    “And people who use smiley and frowny faces to make their points are so juvenile that I don’t even give them my time.”

    then why are you posting a response?

    :roll:

  • lorac

    We disagree on the negative consequences of using words which refer to women to demean men.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Don’t forget, words have multiple different meanings.

  • Peggy Sue

    Can I scream now? I am so tired, so sick of this partisan bullshit.

    We are in deep, deep trouble. And the answer isn’t Democrat or Republican.

    It’s American. And unless we understand that pretty damn quick, we’re going to lose this Republic and everything it stands for.

    I have generations of family who have bled and sweated for this country. I’m sure there are countless others who could say the same.

    Are we going to play partisan politics to the end?

    Or fight for what is rightfully ours?

    Our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers [and mothers, don't forget the women], sacrificed for all of us.

    Tell me true.

    Is this nonsense in DC now and over the last nine years what our ancestors sacrificed, shed blood, and gave their lives for?

    Well, from my personal perspective? It is not.

    Any doubt? Ask my father-in-law. He’d set you straight with less than civil language.

    Americans! That is the battle cry. Democrats, Republicans and anything in-between. We may be diverse, but we have a history–free man, slave, indentured servant. We go way back. Citizens of the moment, citizens of the Revolution.

    If there is a moment in history, the moment is now.

    We need to grasp it. Or it may be gone forever.

  • Kindred spirit Galt

    Can I scream now? I am so tired, so sick of this partisan bullshit.

    Divide and conquer. Ofiddler will play his violin like Nero as his “Rome” burns…

    Neanderthals went extinct. There’s no guarantee Homo sapiens doesn’t follow suit.

    I share your deep concern, will keep trying but won’t be surprised if our sad prophetic vision becomes reality.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    However by Summer 1945, the DoD believed that the Japanese were capable of fielding 5 million or more men with weapons in defense of the homeland, which would raise the estimates to three quarters of a million at best

    The DoD was not created until 1949.

    http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/dod101/

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Interesting. I never took it as a demeaning word against women. So, therefore, it doesn’t exist as a misogynist word in my world. LOL! I guess I’m not from the whine about everything generation of women.

    Seriously, all the judgement and hyper-sensitivity over what people say must be a real burden and a huge kleenex bill.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    It would be demeaning to women only if I meant it to be. And as I stated, I did not. Pantywaist is the perfect word for his weakness as CiC.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Galt (glad to see you back, by the way),

    This lady agrees!

  • Slim Tyranny

    This article avoids the actual moral dilemma presented by these bombings. Strategically, yes, the bombings may have been the right choice as a way to minimize US military casualties. However, whether or not something would work strategically does not answer the question of whether it is the moral choice.

    Trading civilian casualties for military casualties is going to present a moral issue, and discussing the bombings without addressing “just acts” in times of war leaves an incomplete picture.

    Expand on this — address the question of when attacks on civilian targets are justified to further military and/or geopolitical goals.

    Destroy several hundred thousand Japanese CIVILIANS or commit to the credible possibility of one million or more US MILITARY casualties over the next two years.

    [CAPS added]

    YES, a pure numbers comparison seems “stark” — HOWEVER, how can you stop there? What about analyzing moral acts in war? What about the long history of philosophical discussion of the (im)morality of attacks on civilians?

  • NavyHelo

    A Big “Thank You” to Peggy Sue for your comments.

    I started reading this article because of the lessons we could learn from Truman’s difficult but wise decision to drop the atomic bombs. It is a shame that we are instead being deflected into inane name-calling and selfish partisanship.

    Every working day I try to help veterans, of WWII through the current crises in Asia, get the benefits they so richly deserve. Those veterans fought for a good, united America, not one that wastes its strength in trying to tear down its fellow citizens.

    May God Bless America!

  • lightacandle

    I have seen Japanese newsreels of Japan’s preparations for the invasion of their mainland by the Americans; the Japanese people were instructed and prepared to die and kill as many Americans as they could with suicide attacks. Even small Japanese children are seen, in these newsreels, being trained to hold a hand grenade while throwing themselves under jeeps and trucks.

    More Japanese would have died in the invasion if the atom bombs had not ended the war.

    Hundreds of thousands of Japanese had already been killed in the firebombings of their major cities and those firebombings would surely have been used even more widely prior to any American invasion.

    BTW, will Obama mourn and say a prayer for the tens of thousands of Americans fiendishly tortured, starved and beaten to death by their Japanese guards?

    I am sure he won’t. He’s too busy humiliating America everywhere he goes.

  • Concerned

    You do realise, that if Obama truly knew what he was doing, he would have simply done a small sharp bow? That’d have been the correct etiquette between equals and perfectly acceptable.

    What he did was bow to his waist…which is what a lowly official would do. So I doubt the Japanese would have been impressed. They’d either think him a damn fool, or a foolish try hard. Obama probably saw it on some stupid show and thought he’d act all worldlylike. AT LEAST MAKE THE EFFORT TO DO SOME RESEARCH DUMBASS!!

    Someone remind me how this damn fool became president again?!! WHY THE HELL DO WE KEEP GETTING MORONS?!!! FFS…

  • Concerned

    Your antipathy to life is shocking and down right disgusting.

    I have no love for the japs and what they did during WW2 but returning evil for evil does no good. When will it end?

    We smashed ‘em. They surrendered. Let that be the end.

    Let go of your hate and move on.

  • jwrjr

    Japan was (maybe still is) a warrior culture. Dying in battle is an honorable thing, even desirable. A warrior who gives up or is captured is next to worthless. One could say that they took the old saying “A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies only once.” to an extreme. I do not defend their treatment of POWs, but to them there was no point in expending any effort to keep them alive.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Galt (glad to see you back, by the way),

    Thanks!

  • FLDemFem

    Well, take heart, people.. Obama has restored the world’s good opinion of us. How do I know this?? He said so..really. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/18/obama.henry/index.html

    A little more than a year after his election, President Obama said his administration has laid the groundwork for success on global and domestic matters.

    “I think that we’ve restored America’s standing in the world, and that’s confirmed by polls,” he told CNN’s Ed Henry in a wide-ranging interview this week during his trip to China.

    “I think a recent one indicated that around the world, before my election, less than half the people — maybe less than 40 percent of the people — thought that you could count on America to do to the right thing. Now it’s up to 75 percent.”

    The president said that makes it easier for world leaders to cooperate with the United States, noting Chinese and Russia involvement in nuclear talks with Iran.

    Obama has visited 20 countries during his first year in office, more than any other U.S. president.

    But there is HOPE on the horizon, just over the edge of the world. Obama isn’t sure he will run again..apparently he thinks he is doing a bang-up job and only needs one term. Or something like that. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    But when it comes to the 2012 race, Obama didn’t discount the possibility he may sit out on a reelection bid.

    “You know, if – if I feel like I’ve made the very best decisions for the American people and three years from now I look at it and, you know, my poll numbers are in the tank and because we’ve gone through these wrenching changes, you know, politically, I’m in a tough spot, I’ll – I’ll feel all right about myself,” Obama told CNN’s Ed Henry during an interview in China. “I said to myself very early on, even when I started running for office, I don’t want to be making decisions based on getting reelected, because I think the challenges that America faces right now are so significant,” the president also said. “Obviously, if I make those decisions and I think that I’m moving the country on the right direction economically, in terms of our security interests, our foreign policy, I’d like to think that those policies are continued because they’re not going to bear fruit just in four years.”

    But in the next breath the president quickly sounded like someone who would relish taking his case to the American people in 2012, saying he’s tackling big issues like health care and Iran that he’s confident will bear fruit in the future.

    I wonder if anyone has told him that the US economy is tanking while he is on his little trips sucking up to anyone he can. Seems to me that the only people doing well are Obama and his corporate masters. They seem to be doing fine while the rest of the country is hemorrhaging jobs at an unprecedented rate.

    But I thought you all would like to know that, thanks to Obama, the world loves us again.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    NomNomNom fails to see the wisdom in rebuilding Japan. It just made sense, from a national security standpoint. Defeating Japan, then leaving them in despair would have just spawned a future enemy. Thank god Truman was in office. He was wise enough not to create another Wiemar Republic. We all know how that turned out: hyperinflation, political vacuum and demon as head of state.

  • lightacandle

    The Japanese also tortured civilians, which had nothing to do with the Japanese warrior culture.

    It was just plain cruelty in action.

  • HEPT

    Is there nothing Mr. Obama won’t do to crap on America?
    I guess not.

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