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Fifth Grader Refuses To Say Pledge Of Allegiance – Wait Until You See Why

I admit, when I first saw the headline about the child refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance, I just assumed it was about the whole “under God” thing in there. Well you know what they say when one “assumes,” and nowhere was that more the case than here, as this article makes clear, A Boy And His Flag: Why Will won’t pledge.

This boy, though only 10, is well, amazing. He outshines millions of adults in this country, that’s for sure. The article makes that point clear:

Will Phillips isn’t like other boys his age.

For one thing, he’s smart. Scary smart. A student in the West Fork School District in Washington County, he skipped a grade this year, going directly from the third to the fifth. When his family goes for a drive, discussions are much more apt to be about Teddy Roosevelt and terraforming Mars than they are about Spongebob Squarepants and what’s playing on Radio Disney.

It was during one of those drives that the discussion turned to the pledge of allegiance and what it means. Laura Phillips is Will’s mother. “Yes, my son is 10,” she said. “But he’s probably more aware of the meaning of the pledge than a lot of adults. He’s not just doing it rote recitation. We raised him to be aware of what’s right, what’s wrong, and what’s fair.”

Will’s family has a number of gay friends. In recent years, Laura Phillips said, they’ve been trying to be a straight ally to the gay community, going to the pride parades and standing up for the rights of their gay and lesbian neighbors. They’ve been especially dismayed by the effort to take away the rights of homosexuals – the right to marry, and the right to adopt. Given that, Will immediately saw a problem with the pledge of allegiance.

“I’ve always tried to analyze things because I want to be lawyer,” Will said. “I really don’t feel that there’s currently liberty and justice for all.”

Out of the mouths of babes – or a child, in this case. Preach it, Will.

I love how deliberate this child is in his considerations. Again, would that many adults were capable of such rational thought:

After asking his parents whether it was against the law not to stand for the pledge, Will decided to do something. On Monday, Oct. 5, when the other kids in his class stood up to recite the pledge of allegiance, he remained sitting down. The class had a substitute teacher that week, a retired educator from the district, who knew Will’s mother and grandmother. Though the substitute tried to make him stand up, he respectfully refused. He did it again the next day, and the next day. Each day, the substitute got a little more cross with him. On Thursday, it finally came to a head. The teacher, Will said, told him that she knew his mother and grandmother, and they would want him to stand and say the pledge.

“She got a lot more angry and raised her voice and brought my mom and my grandma up,” Will said. “I was fuming and was too furious to really pay attention to what she was saying. After a few minutes, I said, ‘With all due respect, ma’am, you can go jump off a bridge.’ ”

Ahahahahahahaha. I love that, “with all due respect…” It seems he had been showing her more respect than she was showing him. This was the quintessential “teachable moment,” and this teacher wildly missed the mark.

Well, you know what happened next, as will happen when a child backtalks a teacher (at least in Arkansas):

Will was sent to the office, where he was given an assignment to look up information about the flag and what it represents. Meanwhile, the principal called his mother.

“She said we have to talk about Will, because he told a sub to jump off a bridge,” Laura Phillips said. “My first response was: Why? He’s not just going to say this because he doesn’t want to do his math work.”

Eventually, Phillips said, the principal told her that the altercation was over Will’s refusal to stand for the pledge of allegiance, and admitted that it was Will’s right not to stand. Given that, Laura Phillips asked the principal when they could expect an apology from the teacher. “She said, ‘Well I don’t think that’s necessary at this point,’ ” Phillips said.

And why not? In this case, this teacher was wrong, as the principal acknowledged. The issue was one of justice and liberty, again, a great teaching moment for these children. The discussion could have been quite enlightening, but no:

After Phillips put a post on the instant-blogging site twitter.com about the incident, several of her friends got angry and alerted the news media. Meanwhile, Will Phillips still refuses to stand during the pledge of allegiance. Though many of his friends at school have told him they support his decision, those who don’t have been unkind, and louder.

“They [the kids who don't support him] are much more crazy, and out of control and vocal about it than supporters are.”

Given that his protest is over the rights of gays and lesbians, the taunts have taken a predictable bent. “In the lunchroom and in the hallway, they’ve been making comments and doing pranks, and calling me gay,” he said. “It’s always the same people, walking up and calling me a gaywad.”

Unfortunately, we we could see that coming, especially from Fifth graders, and other school age children who routinely say, “Oh, that’s so gay.” What am I talking, some teachers do it, too (unfortunately). Still, this young man has some backbone:

Even so, Will said that he can’t foresee anything in the near future that will make him stand for the pledge. To help him deal with the peer pressure, his parents have printed off posts in his support on blogs and websites. “We’ve told him that people here might not support you, but we’ve shown him there are people all over that support you,” Phillips said. “It’s really frustrating to him that people are being so immature.”

At the end of our interview, I ask young Will a question that might be a civics test nightmare for your average 10-year-old. Will’s answer, though, is good enough — simple enough, true enough — to give me a little rush of goose pimples. What does being an American mean?

“Freedom of speech,” Will says, without even stopping to think. “The freedom to disagree. That’s what I think pretty much being an American represents.”

Somewhere, Thomas Jefferson smiles.

Okay who wants Will to run for president in 35 years??? Yeah, me too.

No doubt Thomas Jefferson IS smiling at this wonderful young boy, and I am thankful for parents like the Phillips. We could sure use more like them. We DEFINITELY could use more young people like Will. What a thoughtful, grounded, boy he is. I hope for his sake, for our sake, he will be able to stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance before he goes off to college…

  • Linda Anselmi

    What a great story RRRAmy! It really does give one hope for the future.

    Will Phillips for President! It has a nice ring.

  • NomNomNom

    I refused to say the pledge when I was 9 in the fourth grade because it violated my 1st amendment right of freedom of–from– religion: I was suspended and my mama beat the crap out of me. No tv shows, lol!

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Oh, Nom – good for you for standing up for your 1st amendment rights! But good grief – sounds like your mama didn’t appreciate your thinking for yourself! Poor thing!

    Hey, maybe you and Will can run on the same ticket?!

  • NomNomNom

    only if he’s vp :smile:

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    But of course! That’s what I was thinking – see, I believe in people having experience and everything!! :-)

  • NomNomNom

    plus we’d have to wait about 30 years for him to be eligible!

  • lark

    My question has always been, why do people have to pledge to the flag over and over, in children cases, daily at school? Why couldn’t the pledge be done once and that’s it. And if someone would like to rescind the pledge then rescind from that one time. And then if one want to pledge again do it a second time to confirm the first time. What does reciting the pledge over and over does? It creates fervor and willingness, doesn’t it not? And fervor is good, isn’t it? But willingness is a whole different thing. Willingness evolves into submissiveness. And then people are afraid of individuality, they enter the realm of the me too or else I feel the pain of being different. And doesn’t the authorities take advantage of that ‘lost of the will’? They do. That’s why children are asked to recite it daily, in order to create submissiveness to authority.

    I instead believe in the authority of God and the word of God rather than the authority of the ‘deffered will.’

    I personally have my allegiance to the flag, but it is my deep heart felt allegiance that is mine and exclusively mine and do not need to vocalize it to anyone else again. I did it once and once was forever. I don’t feel I should be made to repeat it for anyone else to hear it. My actions and love for my country should testify about my allegiance to the country that gave me everything I have. God made me what I am.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Right – plenty of time for you to come up with your platform. Or, you could do like Obama and just come up with some campaign slogans…

  • robert

    It’s always a difficult road for a adults, let alone children, who accept things such as the Bible, the Constitution, and the Pledge of Allegiance literally. The parents might teach their child a little something about nuance.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post RRRA. That would be nice.

    Thank you Will for being such a great example for all. And thanks Will’s parents for being such great teachers and support.

  • NomNomNom

    agree re de-individuating motive: that’s one big difference between nationalism and patriotism imo

  • Hank

    Great story, I watched it on TV this morning.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Thank you for the very up lifting story.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    Only slightly O/T, since we’re all animal, in particular doggie lovers…I think you’ll like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psi6kmbhw

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    Sorry, that seems to be an incomplete address…try this one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3EcBLj8Rc

  • lark

    Can you imagine a kid in Jupiter pledging the flag and then going home later on that day to see his mom or dad being slapped with one of these fines.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/64319.html

    “The higher maximum gives us more discretion in levying the penalty,” said Code Enforcement Director Frank Melillo.

    So, how would she/he feel afterward? Of course, her/his mom or dad needs to go a re-education camp.

  • jbjd

    I skipped the part about “God” – separation of church and state – and added at the end, “with liberty and justice for all (white people).”

    I teach in the inner city. If students in my class use the word “gay” to connote ‘bad,’ I immediately intervene with my 2-pronged attack. First, incredulity. ‘What does his/her sexual orientation have to do with (whatever was the topic to which the word “gay” was appended).’ This usually evokes snickers and an explanation that “gay” was used to mean ‘bad.’ Then, I go into my ‘I am a lawyer / here is the legal definition of hostile environment / as a teacher, part of my job is to ensure every student is comfortable here to receive the benefits of the right to a free education / I will protect that right.’

    No one has ever challenged me on this; I leave no room for equivocation.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Hey, Annie – can you try again with the link? Thanks!

    Glad y’all liked the story! Will sounds like a mighty impressive child, thoughtful, considerate, compassionate – I think we could use a whole lot more of that these days…

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Holy. SMOKES.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    Sorry, RRRA, it appears the original has been removed…it is a heartwarming video “Dog loses it when soldier returns from Afghanistan”…that dog was so happy when he saw his owner, he almost turned inside out!

    Maybe it’ll be reposted in a few days.

  • Not Likely

    And if the person this site and its commentors supported for President in the General Election had won, that boy would never say the Pledge again.

  • Donna Brazile

    Not likely all there:

    And special children like you shouldn’t be allowed to surf the internet.

    Stop the low expectation fest!

  • College Educated for Hillary

    When I was in 6th grade (1971)my teacher made us look the word faggot up in the dictionary. It was a slang word for gay but it’s actually a bundle of sticks. It was a great teaching moment she took advantage of.

  • NomNomNom

    http://atheism.about.com/od/hillaryclintonreligion/a/ClintonBigotry.htm
    Moron, it took all of 2 seconds to look up Clinton’s opinion on the pledge; here it is:

    On June 28, 2002, Hillary Clinton posted this statement on her Senate web site in response to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision striking down the phrase “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance:

    “I am surprised and offended by the decision of the Appeals Court of the 9th Circuit and hope that it will be promptly appealed and overturned.”

  • NomNomNom

    and for those at NQ that supported McCain:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1978079/posts
    “As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

    Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed it on the inside of his shirt.

    Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

    I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.”

    wrong again

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    Always with the digs against Hillary, even if they have to be made up. Pitiful.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    “Not likely” is probably another sock puppet of the usual handful of trolls obsessed with NQ.

  • candymarl

    A lot of folks don’t seem to know that the “under God” part was added later to the Pledge of Allegiance. It wasn’t in the original pledge.

    I agree with Will. The most important part is “Liberty and Justice for All”. Out of those two principles come some of the best that America can be.

    I was raised in the church and was taught by my grandmother that school was for learning “book teaching” and church was for personal spiritual guidance. She never expected or wanted our schools to teach us religious values. She was a very smart lady.

  • candymarl

    For full disclosure we had to eat fish on Fridays (back when it was a requirement) even though we weren’t Catholic. This turned out to be a concession to my other grandmother who was a devout Catholic.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    “I really don’t feel that there’s currently liberty and justice for all.”

    I wonder if this young person is aware what happened to justice and liberty during the last GE? He could refuse to say the pledge because of that as well.

  • jwrjr

    “why do people have to pledge to the flag over and over,”? I think that it is called “brainwashing.

  • Galt goes to Hollywood

    I suppose you could look at it that way. “Indoctrination” is a good choice, too?

    Do you remember that really creepy “Obama Youth” (or whatever it was called) thing? That was arguably some serious brainwashing/indoctrination! Poor kids!

  • Ellen D

    Oh gosh, that’s terrible.
    My mom always supported me every time I was sent to the Principal’s office and she was called a number of times.
    This story resonated with me because I also skipped Grade 4. Did we miss the lessons on not questioning authority?

  • jwrjr

    That would be another name for it. The kids are being told what to think. Inexcusable.

  • HEPT

    Will’s family has a number of gay friends.
    That about said it all.

  • Judy

    he was on cnn yesterday.
    http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/13705/will-phillips/ will take you directly to the link so you won’t have to search for it on cnn videos

  • NomNomNom

    thx for link!

  • Not Likely

    Do you have a functioning brain? The point is that McCain Palin ticket would never have worked for gay equality. You do know what the General Election is, right?

  • Not Likely

    Do you know what a General Election is?

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