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Nunly (aka, Divine Democrat), has allowed us to publish her post from Bad Habit.

Last night, while watching TV, I heard a blip on the news about how woman are being told that we don’t need those nasty ol’ mammograms anymore until we are 50 years old…and even then, only once every two years. My jaw just dropped. I thought it was some ridiculous rogue group that were shooting their mouth off, but no…it’s our government telling us that.

By now I’m sure most have already heard this news, so I guess I’m just writing this to blow off some steam and write my own views on this subject.

Ok…first let’s look at this government task force that has decided women should be the first in line to be thrown under the health care bus in order to save our government and the health insurance companies the costs of caring for us. According to the Chicago Tribune, this is “an influential group” called The U.S. Preventative Services Task Force, a government sponsored group whose work is closely followed by doctors and insurance companies.

Now, maybe I’ve been living in a cave, but I’ve never even heard of this group before. Apparently, they consist of four public Health/Preventative Health, two Family Medicine, two Pediatricians, and two Ob/Gyn doctors. Not one Cancer Surgeon, Oncologist, or Radiologist is in this group…not one.

Oh…and it gets better. This government task force also recommends that they don’t have “sufficient” evidence that women over the age of 75 should have mammograms. Yup…no big deal ladies, once you’re old you can just die and get out of the way.

Women do have some advocates who are fighting for us, though. Dr. Daniel Kopans, senior radiologist in the breast imaging division at Massachusetts General Hospital said, “This will be disastrous for women’s health.” Dr. Robert Schmidt, a professor of radiology at the University of Chicago Medical Center said, “It’s arrogant and irresponsible”, “It’s wrong to keep changing recommendations and give conflicting messages to women.

It doesn’t seem to matter to this task force that deaths from breast cancer has dropped 30% since 1990. On Uppity Woman’s blog…which has a great post about this story today, I read in her comment section that a comment on an NPR site, written by a mammogram tech said this:

One in every 6 women now gets breast cancer. From 50-60 your risk quadruples. From 60-70 your risk quintuples. Between 50 and 70 is the most dangerous time to get breast cancer. To decrease mammograms to every two years is a death wish for women in this age demographic. The # 1 cause of breast cancer is diet, the 2nd cause environmental effects and the LAST is hereditary. I have seen as young as 19 years old with double mastectomy to 90 year olds with Breast cancer. Cancer doesn’t care what age you are or what sex you are.

Breast cancer strikes 211,000 U.S. women each year and kills more than 40,000, making it the leading cause of cancer and second-biggest cancer killer (after lung cancer) among women. But I guess if this farce of a task force says women don’t need it…we should all just relax, right?

Now, to get personal. My mother was diagnosed with breast cancer when screening found a lump on her breast when she was 70 years old. Her mother was found to have breast cancer when she was 75 years old and had a mastectomy. In my mother’s case, she was able to have a lumpectomy because it was found early enough. After the removal of a couple of her lymph nodes, she was given radiation and chemotherapy. Had my mother not had that mammogram then, she would be dead today. I can’t even imagine what my life would be without her in it. Coincidently, just last week I brought her in for her annual mammogram and she will be seen by her Oncologist next week to go over the results. Since her surgery, she has been on medication that has been shown to help keep women from recurring cancer. This medication is very expensive and it’s no surprise to me that since this health care bill has been going through Congress and now the Senate, there are grumblings from Medicare that they don’t want to pay for this pill anymore. This was never an issue until our government has been pushing this new health care bill.

This so-called government task force is making this recommendation and cherry picking data for one reason only…to help keep costs down for this ridiculous health care bill that’s in the Senate and that Obama is determined to sign. The bill in Congress has already shown that they want to cut Medicare spending and what better way to do that than to not pay for the costs of breast cancer screening for women over the age of 70?

* Report: Bill would reduce senior care – Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers. WP.

A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.

The report offers the clearest and most authoritative assessment to date of the effect that Democratic health reform proposals would have on Medicare and Medicaid, the nation’s largest public health programs.

The American College of Radiology, representing professionals who perform mammograms, addressed the fears of those who see the new health care reform as limiting tests and procedures to stem rising health care costs. In an article in the Chicago Tribune this morning, Dr. Carol Lee, chairwoman of the American College of Radiology’s Breast Imaging Commission said; “I just don’t understand what would make the (task force) change their recommendations when there really is no significant change in the data. This has to be about costs.”

Breast cancer can’t be ignored or wished away by a bunch of government bureaucrats. But of course, they can get away with this as long as we stay silent. This isn’t just a women’s issue. Guys, if you have a wife that you dearly love, do you want to take the chance on her missing a diagnosis for breast cancer because your health insurance will decide to only pay for tests on the recommendation of this government task force? Would you want your teen or adult daughter to succumb to breast cancer because she was told that self-examination is useless?

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For more information on the Congressional Health Care bill, Quipster had a great post up yesterday (which is where I found the information on the proposed Medicare and Medicaid cuts).

Below is another great article written on this issue…

Seattle Cancer Care Alliance Radiology Director Responds to New Mammography Screening Recommendations


“Women need a clear message: early detection offers a woman the best chance for a cure, and mammography is essential for early detection of breast cancer. The Seattle Cancer Care Alliance continues to support annual screening mammograms for women beginning at age 40 as does the American Cancer Society. In fact, according to the ACS, 17 percent of breast cancer deaths in 2006 were among women who were diagnosed between ages 40 and 49.

“We know that digital mammography significantly improves the detection of cancer in young women and in women with dense breast tissue. These well-documented facts are not included in the analyses that led to the change in recommendations. It is important that women receive their mammograms at centers with the ability to provide high quality exams and that all women understand the importance of mammography for the early detection of breast cancer.”

“Failing to identify those women in their 40s with cancer and having them wait until they are screened at age 50 is a disservice. By then breast cancer can be advanced and more difficult to treat.”


UPDATE I: READ HOTAIR WHICH HAS AN EXCELLENT POST WHICH ALSO LISTS THE NAMES AND SPECIALTY OF THOSE ON THE TASK FORCE. THEY NOTE: “Not a single Oncologist in the group,not one!

UPDATE II: Per blogger SFIndie…. Please let your voices be heard! “The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) is part of the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Agency For Healthcare Research And Quality (check their website). This is the “for more information, contact” person. I’ll be contacting her and letting her know exactly how I feel:”

Therese Miller, Dr.P.H.
Project Coordinator
Center for Primary Care, Prevention, & Clinical Partnerships
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
540 Gaither Road
Rockville, MD 20850
Phone: (301) 427-1585
Fax: (301) 427-1597

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Editor’s Note: Please also see Pat Racimora’s excellent cartoon and fine commentary, “New Recommendations, Let Health Care Rationing Begin.”

  • Obamastolemycountry

    I want to make an important point, too. Men can get breast cancer, too, so listen up guys, it is not just a women’s disease. Yes, it is more rare for men, but it definitely can happen.

    I was very shocked to hear this new recommendation and it really angers me that the Government’s answer to Health care reform is to endangers people’s lives. This is unacceptable in this country! What we should be doing is passing a law that requires all of our congress folks and MR POTUS and VPOTUS to serve their country for free! Yes, I said it, take away their salaries! They are certainly not worth what any of them make off of our tax dollars, plus, most of them are fairly wealthy from other endeavors and don’t need their salary! Put it all into a fund for the uninsured! That would be my Health Care reform plan.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

      That’s an excellent point! When I as with my mom last week waiting for her to finish her mammogram, a man who looked to be about 35-40 was waiting to be tested. He informed me that he had breast cancer surgery the year before. I’ve been hearing that more often than not, lately.

      What really bothers me about this task force is the added recommendation NOT to instruct women on self exams! That sounds to me as if they want to stick women in the closet and pretend their health issues don’t exist.

      • tek

        I wonder if men get this because of the hormones in meat and poultry? Why doesn’t the government tell corporate food producers to stop factory farms and start raising livestock and dairy products naturally? Instead, they want to take risks with women’s lives. Really, most all of the health problems in this country are because of the poisonous corporate food people eat and the ridiculous portions restaurants serve. The government should address those root causes instead of looking at the end of the food chain.

        • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

          I agree–we need to look more closely at our food sources and diet. I quit eating meat years ago and I don’t regret it when I see so many recalls and stories about the hormones put in the feed. Although, my husband and kids eat meat, so I have to cook it for them. I feel like I’m feeding them a plate of poison. I’m also a stickler about cleaning my vegetables and fruit before I eat them.

          • tek

            Mary Ellen: for years now, we have only eaten organic or all natural meat and poultry that we know is raised without hormones or antibiotics. Until we found this, I also gave up meat. It’s harder to get meat that the animals haven’t been placed in feed lots (cause of Mad Cow) but natural food stores always have it in the freezer. In most areas, you can get on the Web and find local producers who are all natural, grass-fed farmers. They generally sell their products to the public on their farms in family meat shops.

    • I’m a Linda too

      And, also know, in the causes “environmental effects” 30 percent (and that’s what was repported) 30 percent of breast cancer is caused by Hormone Therapy.

      That kinda’ changes that entiire Pharma argument that “chance of developing breast cancer”. To a 1 in 3 chance you will develop breast cancer.

    • norma

      Absolutely. Given the family history of cancer, you would have thought POTUS would be a bit more sensitive. His mother and grandmother passed from cancer. Why didn’t this board have an oncologist on board, or a surgeon? They deal with breast cancer all the time.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great and informative post. Thank you.

    I hope your mother stays clear with her recovery and that you will be fine too.

    I found my lump on self exam. Had lumpectomy and 6 weeks radiation. I hope to hear my 5 year check up as “all clear”. But I’ve learned, no more tests around holidays, I moved it over to January. :)

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      IALT, I am so glad you are doing well. And thank heavens you found the lump through self exam.

      Can you believe these jackasses don’t even want women to do those until after age 50? The logical conclusion that flows from that suggestion is reprehensible.

      Great post, Nunly – all the best to your mom!

      • I’m a Linda too

        RRRA, No, I can’t believe these jackasses have gone even this far.

        The “new” and not improved guidelines of no self examamination is because they don’t like the cost associated in a woman finding a lump. They mark down every lump and it’s not cancer. This is just so outrageous. That’s called early detection and care.

        I have an idea these jackasses. Next guideline, because I’m sure money was spent on this too. No longer are you allowed to go to the Doctor for a sore throat. Because I’m sure they’ve found that a specific disease was not associated with that. And if the sore throat persists after over the counter meds (self diagnosing here), they cannot go to the Doctor unless they have other symptoms that would relate it to a specific condition. \

        Oh, you say, they still have the sore throat? Remember, Barry said, maybe a prescription is cheaper than a procedure. And, apparently those in the WH are used to having sore throats for what they are always shoving down.

        • ImaLindatoo

          And you know what else? You all were great to cover this, but lisstening to the idiot box? No everyone was just talking about the new ridiculous mammogram guideline. I had on GMA for the first time, in oh, I don’t know how long, becauz of Sarah, and she even had on Dr. Susun Love, and she stood behind the new guidelines for mammograms, but no one was mentioning the self exams.

          Glenn Beck was the first I saw on tv bring this up, believe it or not. I’m beinging to think all these insiders/media/DCers don’t have a brain they use themselves. Always being told what to think and say. We bring you, 2009 WH Puppet Master Theater!

        • I’m a Linda too

          And…I entered this before, but it seems to be lost.

          I find it amazing, with all the idiot box speakers, no one was even talking about the now illegal self breast exams.

          I had on GMA (the 1st in years), becauz of Sarah, and they even had Doctors on…including Susan Love (which surprisingly she now supports the every 2 year mammos after 50, but no one brought up the entire Self Exam aspect of the new guideline.

          You know who the 1st person on the idiot box I saw did? Glenn Beck. Yep.

      • I’m a Linda too

        Oh and you know what else? You all were great to cover this, but lisstening to the idiot box? No everyone was just talking about the new ridiculous mammogram guideline. I had on GMA for the first time, in oh, I don’t know how long, becauz of Sarah, and she even had on Dr. Susun Love, and she stood behind the new guidelines for mammograms, but no one was mentioning the self exams.

        Glenn Beck was the first I saw on tv bring this up, believe it or not. I’m beinging to think all these insiders/media/DCers don’t have a brain they use themselves. Always being told what to think and say. We bring you, 2009 WH Puppet Master Theater!

        • The Advocationist

          “Illegal” self exams?

          I think that’s taking it a bit far.

          • **== SUPER GALT **==

            Where does I’m a Linda too mention “Illegal” self exams?

            • I’m a Linda too

              I posted it on the other comment.

          • I’m a Linda too

            You posted on the wrong comment.

            But to answer….no, it’s not too extreme. Extreme is this administration now saying you are not to perform self breast exams.

            So gee, if you find one when touching your breasts and you weren’t supposed to, because clearly if you see medical help for what you found, but you weren’t supposed to touch yourself to find anything, do you really think they will cover you?

            If there laws for coverage are based on that, won’t that make it illegal, or just unlawful :)

      • I’m a Linda too

        I think the new song for this Administration should be…

        “I Touch Myself”
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFEfmbAeEDY

  • Tricia

    Great post! Thank you so much.

    • **== SUPER GALT **==

      I second that!

      • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

        Thanks to all of you for your good wishes and reading my post!

        • **== SUPER GALT **==

          You’re quite welcome!

          The D party on the most fundamental level abandoned women when they rigged the election to install an unqualified man, Obama.

          You can not create justice, equity and equality by perpetrating injustice, inequity and injustice.

          Is it any surprise what we are seeing now when they passed “his” Obamacare bill in the House and women were thrown under the bus to get the bill passed?

          The day the new navy ship USS New York was being launched made of steel reclaimed from the Twin Towers, Obama was doing more political theater, pretending to get the votes for “his” Obamamcare bill over at Capitol Hill. In reality, I feel the deal had already been struck. Just more political theater from dear (poser) “leader.”

          A real leader was at the ship launching:

          Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was the U.S. Senator from the state of New York during the September 11 attacks, said the vessel echoes the spirit of the state it is named after. “This ship carries with it the searing memories of September 11th. Lives cut short. Families ripped apart. A nation attacked. And in that steel, burned but unbroken, lives the spirit we saw on 9/11 and the days that followed,” she said.

          Obama should been in New York for this important event. Thanks Hillary for being there.

          Beyond the political theater in the House I also think Obama’s anti-American political upbringing had something to do with not being at New York for the ship launching – the blame shifting, whackjob conspiracy theories and all of that.

          Apparently Obama’s falling poll numbers and D defeats in NJ and VA had to be countered so women were the convenient sacrificial lambs with the Stupak amendment. This is no different than when he lost a huge primary he pulled an endorsement out of his ass. All theater, no substance. One man’s pitiful gargantuan ego taking precedence over the needs of an entire nation is shameful beyond belief.

          I find it hard to believe in this modern age the illusion of someone winning the nomination could have be substituted for the actual result intended by the voters. But that’s what happened and if Obama actually cared as Larry Johnson just wrote, he would not have become evil incarnate and stolen our precious votes to steal the presidency.

          History books tend to have bias and view the past in the light of said bias. We know what happened during the last GE will be glossed over as “irregularities” but we will never forget. Obama, being the “first black president” will be the headline. Meanwhile, the rightful first woman president is nowhere to be seen. Shameful.

          The D party has a huge problem of endemic and systemic corruption and we (former Dems and dissenting Dems) are not going away no matter how many times Darth Obama’s evil minions click their ruby slippers. We are a force to be reckon with. Never forget the power you really do have. And never forget the truth of what happened.

      • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

        I third it–great post!

        Kind of makes you think about the public option in general, too.

  • foxx

    I have a very different take on the issue.

    I had breast cancer and had a mastectomy at the end of 06.

    I was glad to see the new recommendations, and I believe the panel that made them is relying on the actual data.

    I don’t like mammograms, and really most women don’t and resist having them. That squashing and radiating of the breast is not a good thing.

    I have half or fewer of the mammograms the doctors want me to have. I have ultrasounds instead. The only thing they don’t detect are microcalcifications.

    There really isn’t evidence that the extra early detection represented by yearly mammograms saves any lives.

    • Seriously Sick of Obama

      Its a THREE STEP…first your YEARLY EXAM, then if something is off, the MAMMOGRAM and then the ULTRASOUND..follow these steps yearly. NO PREVENTION or PRECAUTION=DEATH!!

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

      I don’t know of anyone who likes getting a mammogram and if the insurance companies would allow ultrasounds instead, that would be the way to go for many women. I’ve often wondered why they hadn’t come up with a better way to do that test. I haven’t heard anything about a better way of testing being done in any other country, though—so for now this is what we have. I’m not fond of pap smears, either…but it’s better than dealing with advanced cervical or ovarian cancer, just as the mammogram is better than dealing with advanced breast cancer.

    • thetownecrier

      The types of doctors in this group that came out with those recommendations are preventative medicine. Medical doctors, nurses, and Ph.D.’s but not one is a medical oncologist, surgical oncologist, or radiation oncologist. It is unclear if they are academicians, practitioners, or a mixture of both.

      Statistics give only so much of a picture. The following table should give a hint that breast cancer incidence is not something that just starts at 50. The incidence starts bumping notably at 40.

      Probability of Developing Breast Cancer Within the Next 10 years

      By age 20 = 1 out of 1,985
      By age 30 = 1 out of 229
      By age 40 = 1 out of 68
      By age 50 = 1 out of 37
      By age 60 = 1 out of 26
      By age 70 = 1 out of 24
      Lifetime = 1 out of 8

      http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth/statistics.asp
      Source: Among those cancer free at age interval. Based on cases diagnosed 2000-2002. “1 in” are approximates. Source: American Cancer Society Breast Cancer Facts & Figures, 2005-2006.

    • thetownecrier

      A new report by the American Cancer Society (ACS) shows that in the US, the overall rate of deaths from breast cancer in women continues to fall by around 2 per cent a year, a trend that started in 1990.
      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/83639.php

      • thetownecrier

        From routine mammography.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I had a very competent MD tell me 15 years ago that all those mammograms were radiological overkill, making money for the companies that made the machines, and that there was no conclusive evidence that the extra early detection actually statistically saved lives. He recommended starting them at age 50. Surprise!

    Three years ago, another MD -gynecologist – confirmed that information and also added that there were too many false positives, too many tests done, and too many women undergoing too many unnecessary procedures. Surprise!

    I see this as a step in cost containment in a broad sense.

    Of course there will always be exceptions for some.

    • elizabethrc

      You’re a far braver person than I. With a strong history of breast cancer in my family (mother, her sisters and a brother who died of colon cancer), I am unwilling to take the chance on changing the frequency of my mammos. Maybe I’m wrong and this new report is right, but I won’t take the chance. So far, mammos have picked up several cysts and calcifications which upon further examination, are benign, but who knows…were they cancerous, without the mammos we’d never know.

  • mariem

    Personally, I have always believed the mammograms are the cause of the rise of breast cancer, by causing much of the cancer itself.
    I avoid them myself and just recently decided every year was certainly excessive. I am a senior and have only had about 5 in my entire life.
    I believe the new research, despite distrusting the government.
    I am more worried about the “mandatory” health insurance and just how they are going to make it mandatory, than I am about research that confirms what my gut has always told me.
    This is not new to me, research usually confirms my gut feelings, I just have to wait a couple decades.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

      Personally, I know of four people who have never had a mammogram but found a lump and a mammogram confirmed their suspicion of breast cancer.

      The biggest elephant in the room regarding this issue is that insurance companies will use this data to deny women the chance to be tested. The administration started to back off this issue and said that the task force wasn’t there to tell the doctors what to do, but how many times have we heard that insurance companies would deny to pay for tests that the doctor recommends? This is exactly what this is about, IMO. With the government taking over health care, they don’t want to pay for these tests. Think about it, if 94% of Americans are going to be forced to have insurance, many will choose the government run public option…which means they will be responsible for the payment of mammograms.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Now they’re starting to admit the correlation between HRT and the increased rate of breast cancer, slowly but it is coming out.

      HRT was put on the market to appease women going through menopause. ( Good info from a ob/gyn) It is/was a vanity therapy for many. Now, it may have not been such a good thing. Ahem.

      Women need to start questioning the need for all the intervention. Is it really necessary for me individually? Women need to make doctors use their knowledge and work for them and not continue to just let the doc prescribe to fatten the pharmaceutical companies wallets.

  • JMM

    Now they’re upping the age for a Pap smear, and you don’t have to have them so often.

    Breast cancer killed my mother. She was diagnosed at 87. My sister-in-law found her lump during a self-exam. Now the guidelines are changed; insurance coverage of these tests will be next to change.

    I think they won’t be happy until all the women in the US are dead.

    • tek

      JMM: just read this. The headline said women in the 20s don’t have to have a pap smear every year.

      • Seriously Sick of Obama

        Hmmm..if they are sexually active and sometimes don’t use protection than they are playing games with their life if they don’t have pap smears..research ovarian cancer and how you get it…THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO LEAVE WOMANS HEALTH ALONG!!!

      • Ani

        This is the worst kind of b.s. – women in their 20s absolutely need to have a pap smear every year. This new guidelines are self serving drivel and dangerous to women.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          My husbands first wife died at 44 from breast cancer she had a lump in rather an odd place just below her breast they told her it was a sprained muscle when it was detected it had gone too far and was in her bones she broke her leg and thats how they found it!!!! Too late 12 months later she was gone.

          and a friend died form cervical cancer at 24. The Drs kept telling her there was no way she was at risk of cancer at 24 by the time they did the test after arguing for months it was too late she didn’t last 12 months it was devastating!!

  • karen for Clinton

    we all saw this coming a long time ago. we knew it would happen it was obvious that ob would promote no respect for women or women’s rights.

    so far they’ve gone after obstetrics, mammograms, abortions, and pap smears. “apparent coincidence” my fanny, it is the tenor of this administration that allows women to be the first on the chopping block. ob sets the tone – women and children last.

    By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer Lauran Neergaard, Ap Medical Writer – 10 mins ago
    WASHINGTON – First mammograms. Now — in an apparent coincidence — Pap smears.

    New guidelines by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists say most women in their 20s can have a Pap smear every two years instead of annually to catch slow-growing cervical cancer.

    The change comes amid a separate debate over when regular mammograms to detect breast cancer should begin. The timing of the Pap guidelines is coincidence, said ACOG, which began reviewing its recommendations in late 2007 and published the update Friday in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

      I have yet to hear recommendations that testing for prostate cancer be minimized. Hmmmm…..

      • **== SUPER GALT **==

        Or that Viagra will no longer be covered….

        • http://noquarter foxyladi14

          or the new spray to delay

      • T

        If you haven’t heard that, you haven’t been reading.

        Actually prostate cancer has an even higher rate of over-diagnosis and over-treatment — which can lead to serious urological problems. And they’re no longer recommending screening for average risk men. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/ped_2_3X_ACS_Cancer_Detection_Guidelines_36.asp

        This whole notion that these guidelines are a huge conspiracy is just crap. I’ve been reading the data for years, and mammogram increases diagnoses of “borderline cancer” like DCIS, but does not increase survivability of aggressive cancers.

        Is it possible that this was an over-hyped test? Is it possible that this test was over-sold, just as drugs are oversold? Answer, yes.

        I find it ironic that this article criticizes the ‘cherry-picking’ of data, without supplying any contradicting data of its own at all.

        Early detection, like many issues, is about the shades of grey. Is detecting cancer that would never go on to spread really a good thing?

  • boonies

    ladies PUHleeez….are you going to trust the government, or your own lying eyes?
    HMMMMM?

    the above should’ve set your Snark-O-Matic sarcasm detector off… ;-)

  • HARP

    HANG ON TO YOUR HAT:

    Guidelines Push Back Age for Cervical Cancer Tests

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/health/20pap.html?_r=1&hp

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen (Nunly)

      Geez…why don’t they just tell all of us women to go crawl in a hole and die..don’t bother coming into the see the doctor at all? That’s amazing. With the rise in cervical cancer they’re telling women not to bother with tests until later when the cancer is out of control?

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      invest in funeral parlors

  • Fae

    I can’t stand to turn on the TV anymore! We need to
    start from scratch and clean house in the government.
    It is liking living in a nightmare everyday.

    • **== SUPER GALT **==

      I thought living under Bush II was a daily horror show, then Darth Obama comes on the scene and I yearn for the “good ol’ days” of Bush II. This is indeed an unbelievable nightmare.

  • tek

    Fae: I agree with you. I finally got a reaction from Durbin. I sent him a petition from Numbers USA. He usually (his staff) sends back a form letter ignoring whatever issue you wrote about and telling you why he’s going to do what he wants and his constituents have to like it. Yesterday I got a heated message saying people should contact him on the form on his web site! Guess he doesn’t like Numbers USA!

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Please. I once asked my doctor just how my grandmother could have lived to be 91, having only been in the hospital once for phlebitis, have five children all at home, and never ever have pap smears, mammograms, blood work, cancer screenings, flu shots, HRT, or ever be made to feel she was a victim of her own body.

    He just smiled and didn’t respond.

  • JMM

    Buzz I’m happy for you and your grandmother. But if one person is saved by having preventive testing before the age guidelines, then it is worth it. The government shouldn’t tell you that you must get tested, or you shouldn’t get tested. It should be up to you and your doctor. And your insurance should pay for it. My humble opinion.

  • foxx

    I have a different view.

    I have had breast cancer, and I resist my doctor’s requests that I get frequent mammograms. I get ultrasounds instead.

    The radiation and squashing are not good for the breast. I keep mammograms to a minimum. Most women don’t like them, for good reason.

    The panel based its recommendations on the evidence and was very clear about that evidence and its reasoning. I was delighted to see their conclusions.

    • **== SUPER GALT **==

      When, how often and what procedures should be up to the doctor and patient, not the insurance company or government. That’s the real underlying issue to me.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Exactly – Super Galt – . This is where I get a little upset with women. They don’t want to be victims, yet they won’t be proactive with their doctor and start asking questions and actually become an active participant in their own health.

    Perfect example: I have a friend who has a growth on her thyroid that’s benign. Her mother had the same thing and at the same time. Mom is on medicaid – she went though a non evasive procedure, had some radiation and is done and healthy. My friend’s doctor ran extensive tests not once but twice with the same results, scheduled surgery for removal of the thyroid – if needed – and pressured her into agreeing to the surgery. If she had the thyroid removed it would mean pharmaceutical therapy for the rest of her life. She felt that it wasn’t the correct call and canceled the surgery. The whole time she wouldn’t ask her doctor why her course of treatment was so radically different than her mother’s. A guess? She has private insurance…

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    some countries kill their baby girls.here we wait till they do all the work then kill them

  • Tosk59

    Re the “no oncologist” issue, a simple answer.. The Task Force is made up of primary care physicians and they are addressing primary care issues.

    • thetownecrier

      Then they should stick to primary care issues.

      Breast cancer is treated by specialists.

      Cancer is serious. They can talk about numbers on and on. Their study was about breast cancer mortality not being affected by the routine screening in those under 40. Their recommendations are partially derived from the number of false positive results that generate a lot of anxiety, and a lot of additional tests and procedures, that ultimately do not alter the chance of death from breast cancer.

      Try telling that to someone who is a survivor whose breast cancer was found incidentally on a routine mammogram.

      • Tosk59

        They are sticking to primary care issues… exams, screening, etc. are primary care issues. If cancer is found, then yes the specialists are brough in (oncologists, etc.)

        Nothing in what changed was related to treatment…

  • thetownecrier

    If anyone does not believe that health care dollars could not ultimately be rationed by recommendations by federal panels like this one, see what the LA Times had to say.

    As much as we would like to believe that every life is worth endless amounts of money, there are limits on resources for healthcare. It makes sense to locate those resources where they do the most good.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-mammograms20-2009nov20,0,2635437.story

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    Good post!I totally agree with you.I also heard this group’s name for the first time here.So right that some countries kill baby girls before they born and here this is done after everything done.This will continue till no one will argue against them and try to protest.I will around for more.Thanks for sharing.

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    This was really a great post, given by you, well I think that I was glad to see the new recommendations, I also believe the new research, despite distrusting the government.

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    Well I also think that cancer is really a seriour and some what dangerous, It’s positive results generate a  lot of  tests and procedures, in the end that does not change the likelihood of death from breast cancer.

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