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WSJ on Democratic fundraiser defections, TNR “likes” McCain, Jesse’s Whisper

1) An article from WSJ about Carly Fiorina meeting in NY with former Clinton supporters. Suggests several may be former Hillraisers and influential donors.

Amy Siskind, a former Wall Street executive who helped organize the meeting, declined to identify most the attendees, citing their desire for privacy. She said that some of the recently formed pro-Hillary organizations that have been critical of Sen. Obama–such as Together4Us.com, which officially hosted the event, and JustSayNoDeal.com had representatives there. Together4Us.com lists its founders as Jill Iscol, Lady Lynn de Rothschild, Gretchen Glasscock, “and 50 more to be added very soon.”

PUMA anyone?

2) According to the NYT, Iraqis in general really really like Obama, but they’re worried he may cut and run. This piece also covers Iraqi attitudes to the possible pullout of American forces. As you might expect, it’s a mixed bag.

3) The New Republic has an opinion piece about how McCain. It does a good job expressing why some Democrats feel he is a good second choice after HRC.

4) The St Petersburg Times has a piece about the thin skin of Obama and his campaign. It offers the point that even Jesse Jackson has to be very circumspect about how he deals with Obama and then, after his famous whisper, has to apologize over and over and over again. Maybe he should have a meeting with Al Sharpton.

Although the good reverend has apologized over and over, many important people, along with some foul-mouth, N-word-spewing rappers and black comedians, have called for Jackson to exit public life forevermore. Even Jackson’s son, Little Jesse, got into the attack.

Following is my take on Jackson and that whisper. Under the circumstances, which I will explain, he had no choice but to whisper. His dilemma is the same as that of thousands of other blacks: You have problems with Obama the man and perhaps problems with his campaign. If, however, and for whatever reason, you need to be in the good graces of your fellow blacks, you had better not dis Obama in public or in private around the wrong people, especially if a mike is on.

Jackson truly has problems with Obama. But because of his public way of earning a living, his sense of self-worth and his need to preserve his civil rights legacy, Jackson sorely needs to be in the good graces of black people. To publicly criticize Obama, the Haloed One, would annul Jackson’s membership in The Tribe and bring ostracism. Jackson knew that; therefore the whisper.

Self-censorship with regard to Obama is all over the place. Many AAs feel this as well as comedians who usually skewer politicians and any white person not wanting to be accused of racism. Interesting and maddening.

5) According to USAToday, the Obama 7-nation world tour (sic) is now the 5-nation world tour (sic).

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee will try to boost his résumé next week with a five-country European and Middle East tour that threatens to turn into Obamapalooza.
——————–
Obama is “going to be a rock star,” said James Thurber, an American University political scientist who recently taught a course in Brussels. “Expectations are high,” agreed Christian Hacke, a retired professor of foreign policy at the University of Bonn. “I think too high.

6) On the Larry King show, Obama changed his attitude about the New Yorker cover that caused so much comment. Larry asked Obama about his reaction to the cover and this was his response:

OBAMA: Well, I know it was the “New Yorker’s” attempt at satire. I don’t think they were entirely successful with it. But you know what, it’s a cartoon, Larry, and that’s why we’ve got the First Amendment. And I think the American people are probably spending a little more time worrying about what’s happening with the banking system and the housing market, and what’s happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, than a cartoon. So I haven’t spent a lot of time thinking about it.

KING: But didn’t it personally sting you?

OBAMA: No. You know, we’ve — one of the things, when you’re running for president for almost two years, is you get a pretty thick skin. And, you know, I’ve seen and heard worse.

Thick skin? Since when?

In response to King’s question about Iraq, Obama had this to say:

And we’ve got to recognize that perpetuating the strategy that we have in Iraq is costing us elsewhere, not only in Afghanistan, but also investments that we could be making here at home.

Imagine what we could have done with $200 billion invested in clean energy technology and figuring out how we’re going to raise — how we’re going to raise fuel efficiency standards on cars. John McCain wants to spend $300 million in a prize to try to figure out the next round of car technologies. And meanwhile, we’re spending $200 billion on a surge in Iraq.


Apparently Obama things “stopping the war” means money in the pockets. I don’t think actual money is involved since the US is borrowing so much. It is likely stopping the war will reduce the borrowing, but I don’t see any “real money” coming “back home. ” He may try to claim later that even though the war is over, there just isn’t enough to do all the promised.

Also about the war, Obama had something aggravating to say about McCain’s response to Obama’s other comments about Iraq:

OBAMA: Well, I mean, Senator McCain obviously is involved in a political campaign. I understand that. You know, when I said that I was going to be talking with commanders and we would be refining our plan, he suggested that somehow we had changed our mind.

Where Senator McCain I think is confused is the difference between tactics and strategy. I am absolutely convinced that, strategically, it is time for us to bring this war to an end. And we can bring our combat troops out over the course of 16 months, which would mean that we would have gotten our combat troops out two years from now — seven years from the time that the war began.

This is aggravating for two reasons. First, Obama is condescending in his “inolved in a political campaign” bit. Second, he says McCain is confusing strategy and tactics. Saying that is like saying Obama is confusing arugula with iceberg lettuce.

Finally, Obama gave an indication of what type of people would stay in Iraq after a large troop withdrawal.

I’ve also said that we’ll leave a residual force there to engage in counterterrorism activities inside of Iraq, as well, to protect our bases and our diplomats and civilian workers there.

Hmmmmm. A residual force to do counterterrorism and protection. CIA? Special forces? Civilian mercenaries? A combination? I would not want to be one of these folks if the withdrawal is not handled just right. Talk about working in chaos. . .

8 )Lastly, at Talk of the Nation on NPR this week comedian Paul Mooney discussed the New Yorker cover with Ken Rudin. Mooney thinks the cover is racist and that the cover is wrong because “America’s at war. We’re being fishbowled.”

WTH??? I don’t think Ken quite knew what to do with that statement. It’s not a long bit, if you want to listen.

Ken asked Mooney if he, as a comedian, makes jokes about Obama. Mooney claimed the atmosphere was too bad, referred to the tired Clinton/RFK “controversy.” It sounds like Mooney doesn’t think Obama jokes are possible. Mooney’s humor tends toward biting commentary, so his unwillingness to find humor in Obama but willingness to believe the canard about Clinton is very disappointing.

The discussion included other than Paul Mooney, so there was also discussion on what irony is, isn’t and whether the masses would actually “get it.” Sigh. And yet again, it’s all about racism and we all just need more education. Funny, I didn’t see so much discussion when the target was HRC. Aaauuuugggghhhhh!

  • Hillarity Ensues

    Yeah… Obama is hurtin’

    Only $52 million in June, down from his previous record of $55 million in February… and average donation dropped to $68 – meaning he actually got more donors.

    Boy… the party sure isn’t rallying around Obama, are they?

    • destardi

      Kerry was 17 points ahead of bush after he reached the magic delegate number.

      What’s obama polling at now?

      Yea.

      • Hillarity Ensues

        Which state?

        • destardi

          How about national?

          Considering the GE isn’t based on caucus votes.

          • Hillarity Ensues

            Ummm…

            It’s not based on national votes, either.

            You are aware of this thing called the ‘Electoral College’, right?

            • lou

              Why won’t Obama let us know who is giving money of $200 and less from his foreign accounts?

              • stateofdisbelief

                52 mil could be 20,000 traitors prior Hillary supporters donating max 2600.00 or in combination with other donors. June is first shot out of the gate since Hillary suspended, so we’ll have to wait and see from here.

                I’m not too surprised.

                • stateofdisbelief

                  remember…he was counting on TWICE this figure

              • Hillarity Ensues

                Huh?

                I can tell you the answer to that myself — it’s ‘ZERO’, since foreign political contrubtions are illegal.

                • lou

                  Great article published last Feb.in the NY Sun about Obama’s foreign donations. In particular:

                  “Mr. Obama’s Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and Yemen.”

                  (JOSH GERSTEIN, Staff Reporter of the Sun | February 12, 2008
                  http://www.nysun.com/national/secret-money-floods-campaigns/71113/)

                  Obama’s website only required donors to click a check-box, which attests they are legally allowed to contribute. As stated in the NY Sun article, Hillary’s website made donators list an address abroad to a special page which advises that such donations are only taken by mail and that donors “must include a copy of your U.S. passport or green card.

                  (BTW: Obama’s campaign was contacted to clarify issues and according to the article did not contact the reporter.)

                  To see a snapshot of Obama’s website that had the foreign countries and read more about this issue, go to:

                  http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-donation-website-accepts-illegal.html

                  • Northwest rain

                    Thanks for these links — I’m going to send them to the individuals who send the Dowd column to me and ask them to forward the information.

                • YoNoForObama

                  This is bullshit. As long as the foreign contributions are under $200 they are most certainly legal because they don’t have to be reported to anyone. There are a lot of Americans living overseas and do you think they follow the links to every single donation that comes from across the Atlantic or the Pacific? You truly are naive.

        • destardi

          Here, how’s this for you?

          http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/7/16/latest-presidential-polls-show-a-new-list-of-target-states-for-obama-and-mccain.html

          It’s “tightening” = statistical tie.

          And it’s only July.

          :)

          barackula will fail, because his image is based on…SHIT.

          • Hillarity Ensues

            Ooohhh…

            Michael Barone…

            The same Michael Barone that kept insisting the Puerto Rico was winner take all?

            Solid source.

            • Hope Floats

              Hillary mopped the floor with Obama’s ass in PR, so it’s a moot point.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                Good for her – perhaps she should consider running for governor of PR, then… not that any of this has much to do with the reliability of Mikey Barone.

                • Hope Floats

                  I’m sure Hillary would be a better governor than the Obama endorser indicted on 19 counts of corruption. What is it about Obama that wherever you see him there’s someone in an orange jumpsuit not far away? Maybe he should run for Miss Metropolitan Correctional Center when he ends up there with Rezko.

                  • Dawnelle

                    PAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! That’s RicH! hehe! Yes he has my vote for that!

        • destardi

          “It is conventional wisdom that candidates improve their standing by moving to the center, as Obama has done on myriad issues in the past two weeks (for a pungent summary, see Charles Krauthammer’s July 4 column). But Obama’s movement undermines one of the central premises of his candidacy, that he is not a Washington-style politician, just as his 20-year embrace of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright undermined another central premise, that he is one who seeks to transcend racial barriers. In any case, Obama may have slipped a bit and does not seem to be making significant gains by “refining” his positions.”

          yea, a “different kind of politician” from CHICAGO, no less!
          AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

          Coming from Chicago, I can tell you that’s a load of BS.

          Congrats for being a lemming who believes the same press that duped us all for 8 years covering bush’s bare ass by not reporting his failed policies.

          • Hillarity Ensues

            I’m a Chicagoan, too. In fact, this is my technically my 4th go round working for Obama.

            3 for 3 so far…

            • lou

              Part of the Chicago Political Machine?

              • Hope Floats

                I liked the Miami Sound Machine better myself.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                Considering I volunteered in helping Scott Waguespack knock off Ted Matlack — not to mention helping Obama beat machine-blessed Dan Hynes in the 2004 IL Senate primary, I think not.

                You don’t really know much about the ‘Chicago machine’, do you?

                • beebop

                  We know enough to know that if he thinks he’s an improvement over Washington, the “good” citizens of Chi Town are the only ones who will be left waving that flag in November. But rock on bozo!

              • BJinChicago

                The Chicago Machine is concentrated in Cook County. Our politicians in Cook just raised our sales tax to 10.5%. (I believe it is either the highest in the nation or tied for that awful title.) They raised it as the gas prices were aapproaching $4.00 rather than balance the budget.

                It doesn’t take a genius IQ to understand what Obama and his cronies will do in DC.

                • Hillarity Ensues

                  Ummm…

                  You are aware that John Stroger, departed father of Todd- Cook Co board pres largely responsible for the sales tax increase, was co-chair of one of Obama’s primary opponents in 2003-2004, right? Richie’s brother John was the other co-chair.

                  • lou

                    Obama is part of the Chicago Political Machine. He is tied with Daley. Obama’s wife worked for Daley. Axelrod worked for Daley. If you support Obama, and worked for candidates in Chicago associated with Obama, then you are part of the Chicago Political Machine.

                    You are misleading yourself.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      I see.

                      So having the Stroger and a Daley co-chairing one of Obama’s opponents (Dan Hynes) and M supposedly backing another (Blair Hull) privately was what… misdirection?

                      Little surprise that the Daleys, Strogers, and the rest have lined up behind Obama now — machine doesn’t mean ‘stupid’… They’re well aware that it’s in their best interest to make nice publicly with Obama.

                      lemme guess… you’re a WLS listener, aren’t you?

                      Is that you, Don Wade?

                    • lou

                      No, I’m well read.

                      I’m also not a minimum paid troll who gets my script from the Obama campaign.

                      The Chicago Political Machine is a big pot of the spoils system. Regardless of what name you mention, it goes back to central control and spews out from there. The Cook County Democratic Organization, also known as the “Chicago machine” is one of the most powerful political machines in American history.

                      Obama is part of that machine.

                      You can fool yourself all you want. You need to go back to school or read more history books.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      RNC fax blasts and being on Rush’s e-mail list do not count as “well read”.

                    • Deke

                      Why are you here? What does Obama stand for?

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      For sport, mostly.

                      I find teasing you folks loads of fun.

                    • lou-CA

                      Your unfounded insults only show you lack evidence and information to support Obama. ad hominem comments are used because facts are not available to support claims.

                      Obama will do to America what he did to the people of Chicago. He gave taxpayers money to his cronies (e.g., individuals that gave money to his campaign, helped him buy real estate, etc.) to fix up low-income housing only to have the housing remain in disrepair.

                      The video below is very revealing about Obama and Chicago. It’s called “Obama’s forgotten people.”

                      It is sad that you can support such an individual. How do you sleep at night?

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs&feature=email

                    • slobodaneee

                      Ad hominem attacks? Are you blind to the comments against Obama on this site? That is all that is on this site. Attacking Obama for legal work for a client is as logical as attacking your heroine, Hillary, when she defended a rapist. By your logic, Hillary sided with the rapist over the female victim.

            • imustprotest

              Oh so you helped get him elected. Nice job. Once elected he does nothing for constituents. He just looks to the next election. How pathetic, you should be ashamed not proud, but look who I’m talking to, an Obama supporter, you have to have a conscience to feel shame. Look at who you worship, a thug. Thugs for a thug. That should be your solgan.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                Heh… that’s got to be a new record for hyperbole in a single paragraph.

                Where to start…

                Obama has actually been far and away the best of my elected officials as far as consituent services go — definitely much more responsive than Dick Durbin (whom I still like) and Rahm Emmanuel (whom I do not).

                of course, I do not worship any elected official — I simply support those that most closely mirror my own ideology and show a history of being responsive to my concerns. Obama simply scores high on both accounts.

                • steven Mather

                  Does this mean that you want your representatives to be present?

                  • NoBigotry

                    Comment by steven Mather | 2008-07-17 10:30:35

                    Does this mean that you want your representatives to be present?

                    You really do show your ignorance by continued failure to understand what the “Present” vote means. It is to show general support for a measure, but not support for that particular bill which may be badly written etc etc. This stops opponents being able to say you opposed x bill when you actually supported the concept but not the bill.

                    • MsSo&So

                      To a legitimate congress person that would be true but for your shady characters like Obama it is a sneaky way of not committing and avoiding locking yourself into taking a solid position on something. Don’t loose friends that way – or so Nobama thinks.

                    • dgr

                      Bravo, way to stay on”message”. But you should know your message has no bearing here… we see you as assimilated borg, your melted brains and your “message” that gets repeated endlessly ad nauseum… why am I even reasoning with a machine? …excuse me while I go hurl my lunch ~ again…

                  • slobodaneee

                    McCain has the worst attendance record in the Senate. I guess you’re voting for Obama then?

                • Chicago Joe

                  Are you kidding me? What constituent services did Obama provide for you?

            • vinnie

              your momma must be proud. Is that your claim to fame? sad.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                well, she passed away years ago – but yes, I think she is quite proud, though I’m not sure that volunteering on a few canpaigns is what I would say is my “claim to fame”.

                • Hope Floats

                  (Cue violins. Montage scene.) This dumbass thinks he’s got a future in politics.

            • steven Mather

              That you support someone who applies an immoral “the end justifies the means” code, when it comes to seeking political office, says much about the quality of your character.

              Obama believes that the reward that citizens should receive for their participation in the electoral process is not the best person for the job, but the person who is best able to manipulate the rules to an advantage that the authors of the rules would say is unfair and not what they intended. In other words, it does not matter to him if what he does is not the right thing to do, as long as he gets what he wants.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                Ahh, yes…

                The old ‘manipulate the rules’ canard – where simply recognizing that all states and territories count rather than just the big 10 is ‘manipulation’… a world where one should just accept the frontrunner with 100% name ID, a former President stumping for her, and overwhelming support of the party insiders is going to be the candidate.

                How dare Obama actually develop a strategy to blunt HRC’s built-in advantages!

                • steven Mather

                  I am speaking of how he used the rules to eliminate good Democrats from the ballot in his Illinois Senate run, which involved disenfranchising the African American voters that these candidates had worked to include in the democratic process.

                  It common for people with above average, but underwhelming intellect, to try to make their point sound convincing by using a deprecating tone or using disparaging terms, such as you did. It is telling that you have worked a long time with Obama, but that you did not realize which rule-bending incident I was speaking of.

                  • Hillarity Ensues

                    I assume you’re referring to Alice Palmer?

                    The same Alice Palmer that publicly said she would not seek reelection so she could run for Mel Reynolds’ congressional seat, then went back on her word after she lost?

                    The same Alice Palmer who was quoted in the Chicago Tribue endorsing Obama saying “the people of my district will be in good hands with this young man” – and whom Obama consulted privately before running for the seat?

                    The same Alice Palmer who got herself removed from the ballot because — after breaking her promise not to run, turned in fraudulent nominating petitions and got taken off the ballot for it?

                    The same sore loser Alice Palmer who really should be the patron saint of this site?

                    That Alice Palmer?

                    • Hope Floats

                      You’d think politicians weren’t allowed to run as the incumbent after losing an election for a higher office.

                      She endorsed Obama and ran a friendly campaign against him later, but like a snake in the grass, he challenged all the signatures on her petition. How did he come up with that idea? He was just a new kid with Tony Rezko, Louis Farakhan and Rev. Wright giving him advice. That is what you call playing with your elbows out in Chicago? We called it giving the bullies your allowance back in grade school.

                      Anything to win at all costs. That’s your Obama. He’d rather run uncontested, even if it means leaking divorce files to the press. Nixon used to break into psychiatrists’ offices to get dirt on his enemies. And like Nixon, Obama thinks the President has a right to spy on Americans, especially if he can destroy his enemies.

                      You should weep for your lost soul, if you support Obama. What a lowlife.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      Have I made you angry?

                    • Hope Floats

                      Nope. You wouldn’t be the first self-righteous dirtbag I have seen online.

                    • NoBigotry

                      No “hope floats” you come on here often enough.

                    • steven Mather

                      A. She was not the only candidate Obama eliminated. These ex-candidates think that what Obama did was wrong. Whether or not they support him now does not change the wrongness of his actions.

                      B. Obama said he was not ready to run for president because he lacked the experience that a president must have. He changed his mind. She changed her mind. Should they not be judged by similar standards?

                      C. Your charge that she used fraudulent nominating petitions is sleazy at best. Her petitions were nullified because they did not follow proper procedure. For example, if one person on a petition printed her name where it should have been signed, the petition was nullified. Or, if the person who signed people up, was not properly certified, the petition was nullified, even if that person followed the rules to the letter.

                      Obama “folks”, such as you, are ready to slander people to get your way. Not following proper procedure is not the same as committing fraud, such as by registering dead people or fabricating signatures. How low will you go?

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      I go as low as the ODS brigade goes… it’s in my contract.

                    • Hope Floats

                      I don’t know what the ODS is or what contract you’re talking about. This must be a lame attempt at snark.

              • slobodaneee

                Quit whining about Hillary’s loss. Blame her for not minding the caucus states. Don’t blame Obama. Did you think it was “fair” for Hill and Bill to lock up all the big donors in advance so that guys like Biden, Dodd, and Richardson couldn’t compete? No that didn’t bother you at all. I bet you thought: “Wow those Clintons are something else.”

            • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

              wow and Gov Blago is calling the natl guard for your everyday street crime due to more gun deaths than Iraq, and hey less than 60% of all HS kids graduate in Chicago!

              great work there!

              no thanks the rest of the country will PASS on going nationwide with the combine and its thugs!

              HILLARY WILL BE POTUS

              • slobodaneee

                In your dreams.

            • Newly Independent

              $7/hr LOSER.

            • Fred C. Dobbs

              Jesus…nothing makes you puke, huh?

            • FembotsForObama

              Just curious…

              Like to know what you think of the failed privatization of public housing in Chicago. If you still support it, and the Obama’s proposed expansion at the national level, would you live in one of those units?

              Supposedly, public housing is what led Obama into politics and the main policy he has worked on for his entire career. Despite this, Obama felt it not important enough to closely monitor.

        • Mr. X

          FL, OH, PA, CO, NV, NM, MO.

          You do know that if Obama doesn’t win VA, he loses the GE right? He could even win both OH & PA and still lose.

          • Hillarity Ensues

            Hmmm…

            I see 153 EV solid/102 leaning Obama vs. 90 solid/73 leaning for McCain, with 102 as ‘toss-up’.

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

            Trends are all moving towards Obama.

            • barack who?

              President McCain.

              Practice saying it now, it won’t hurt as much later.

              • NoBigotry

                Comment by barack who? | 2008-07-17 10:16:15

                President McCain.

                Practice saying it now, it won’t hurt as much later.

                Practice saying President Barack Obama. I hope it sticks in your throat for the next 8 years.

            • Mr. X

              Don’t like facts much, do we?

              Florida is not a toss-up. Neither is Indiana.

              North Carolina and Virginia? Don’t make me laugh. Funny thing though. Obama is pinning his hopes and dreams on Virginia. Not gonna happen.

              Missouri will not go to Obama. The polls have been consistenly against him.

              So far, we have 77 of these so called toss ups going to McCain for sure. That puts McCain at 167/73 with the rest in OH, CO, NM and NV.

              So if Obama wants to win, those four states become must win. I really don’t see him getting OH, NV or CO. He could get NM, but that’s a long shot too.

              Also, he’s risking losing OR. If he loses Oregon, Obama can win OH and McCain could still win.

              So before you just quote maps like that, be sure that you get the analysis behind it. Anyone that understands electoral maps would be very, very scared about Obama’s chances in November. I really don’t see how he can pull it off.

              • Hillarity Ensues

                What facts?

                Your post?

                I have plenty of issues with the RCP methodology (primarily — that they do not weight time, in which case Obama’s map looks even better) – but I think RCP averages are as neutral as it gets.

                • Deke

                  The polls have been over sampling blacks in this election if you check the disclosure you will see this. Obama has run stronger in the polls than the actual elections. Remember during the primary season on the day of the CA primary when the msm was reporting Obama was winning the state by 10 points and in PA when they reported Hillary only winning the state by 2. He is in trouble in a year when democrats should be up by 20 points at this point.
                  Can you say loser.

                  • Hillarity Ensues

                    Unfortunately, my cable provider doesn’t carry the ‘voices in Deke’s head’ channel…

                    I recall one outlier CA poll showing Obama within the margin of error – and the Obama camp insisting they had closed the gap to single digits, and then deciding to send Obama to places like Idaho rather than spend the weekend in CA.

                    • lou

                      The same sex union initiative is on the ballot in California in November. This will encourage social conservatives to come to the polls.

                      Obama is not guaranteed a win California.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      Yeah… the most recent CA poll showing him with a 24 pt. lead really concerns me.

                    • Deke

                      What does your candidate stand for?

                    • slobodaneee

                      What does yours. In fact, who is yours? McCain the guy joked that Chelsea was ugly? the one who cheated mercilessly and then dumped his first wife because she was no longer beautiful after a car accident? The one who didn’t want to assist homeowner struggling with their mortgages until it was popular?

                    • bart

                      Or yours, whose “work” on behalf of Chicago’s poor left them with substandard housing in winter? The guy who lied about his parents being at Selma? The guy who can’t figure out where he stands on ANYTHING? The guy who is fervently against NAFTA and FISA before he is for it?

                      Or the guy who voted “present” over 130 times?

                      That the one?

                    • Deke

                      MSNBC was reporting the day of the election Obama was winning the primary b ut the didn’t believe the polls. Go look it up. The true fairy tales are coming from trolls like you. Can I get a job that you have, it doesn’t seem to require much intelligence. What does he stand for.

                    • lou

                      What poll are you looking at?

                      I live in California and can tell you that he is not as popular as the press is telling the public.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      Could you please differentiate yourself from the ‘lou’ above who claims to live in Chicago?

                      It’s tough to keep you straight…

                      But in any case, for the California Lou, I’m referring to the Field Research poll (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2276.pdf)– which is the only July poll of CA.

                    • lou-CA

                      It’s interesting you selected the most extreme poll for California. If you take the L.A. Times poll, it places Obama at only 7% points ahead of McCain. The campaign on the same sex initiative will not begin until after Labor Day. (BTW: This is true for the presidential campaign.)

                      McCain’s overall polling numbers are getting better with an average of 4.2% behind Obama. Rasmussen has them tied.

                      At this point in previous Presidential elections, Dem. candidates were further ahead. This is impressive for McCain considering how much Bush is disliked, the economy, Iraq, etc. And, considering the fact that Obama has been given a free ride by the MSM, McCain’s numbers are looking good.

                    • Hillarity Ensues

                      I selected the most recent poll (it’s kind of why I said “most recent poll”)…

                      The LA Times poll you refer to is from May 21…

                      Those numbers separated by ‘/’ under the ‘date’ column? They were refer to the ‘date’ or chronological measure of time per the Gregorian calendar.

                    • lou-CA

                      Thanks for clarify it’s the Gregorian calendar vs. the Mayan or Julian Calendars.

                • Hope Floats

                  Only the polls that support their candidate. Get it straight! :)

                  • lou-CA

                    When Obama loses in November, they will still be clinging to polls that show him winning.

                    • NoBigotry

                      Just as you cling to the idea of a Hillary comeback or a McCain victory.

              • http://deleted AnninCa

                There’s a new article on RCP about the 5 states where this will be decided:

                VA, CO, NV, OH, and (dang……forgot the last one.)

                I don’t know that the article is valid. It’s still pretty early.

                One thing that was interesting that I’d forgotten, Bill Clinton was way behind at this point in his election year.

              • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

                I hear GOV of VA signed law saying FELONS can now vote!!
                that is Uhhbamas plan!!

                BWAAHAAAAAAAA

                • http://deleted AnninCa

                  Actually, I’m very much in favor of that. The laws that prevent anyone convicted of a felony from ever voting again are archaic in my book.

                  Not many will bother, of course, but how can a former convict work within the system to challenge some of the harsh law and order laws when not allowed to vote?

                  Those are old Southern laws that frankly penalized AA voters often.

                  Just my 2 cents!

                • Hope Floats

                  They were trying to do that in GA for a while, too. WONDERFUL! You go away for being a menace to society, but you can still sway our elections. Well, at least Obama now supports frying some of these voters in some circumstances.

                • lou-CA

                  Obama needs all the votes he can get.

            • Deke

              You are truly a paid troll coming here to spew your obama propaganda. The entitled one has had nothing but positive press for a year and in a year were it should be for democrats he is in a statistical dead heat with a candidate the republicans accept only tepidly. During all other presidential elections democrats go into the conventions in a much stronger position. Historically the democrats always finish the election cycle in a much weaker position than they started in. For the presumptive nominee to be in this position at this time does not foretell of a victory in November. The democrats at this time are in trouble we all see it coming.
              What flavor kool aid is the precious one feeding all of you.

              • lou

                What kind of people would troll for minimum wage without benefits when their flip-flopping candidate, who has been eating at the public trough for years, will through the trolls under the bus later?

                Obama has no positions; he flip-flops.
                Obama will sell out to the highest bidder.
                Obama is an opportunist.
                Obama is a liar.

              • http://deleted AnninCa

                I definitely hope you’re right. I’d like to see the Democrats blasted out of the water.

                And then I’d like to seem SOMONE admit that the primary process was part of the reason for the turn-down by voters.

                But we’re going to have to wait to see.

                I get my PUMA PAC notices daily, and I’m not going to follow their direction. Today is was to contact the SDs to change their minds.

                I personally don’t agree that any more communication to SDs is helpful. But that’s me.

                I’m interested in seeing some discussion within the Party on the process.

                Until PUMAS decide that Hillary has lost for now, the efforts will be on the convention and on a shake-up. I don’t see that as realistic. I do see changing the process as possible.

                If Obama loses, then that forces the party to reevaluate the processes. That’s what I’m after.

                I’m sick of the false division between the faux-progressives and centrists, personally. The faux-progressives aren’t even progressive. For crying out loud, they backed the least progressive health care plan, the candidate who sold out on FISA, the candidate who trashed campaign finance election reform which took years to sell to the public, and now the candidate who thinks European rallies are the way to get American votes but who avoids real town hall discussion on OUR issues like the plague.

                That’s progressive? Give me conservatism, then!

                • Deke

                  Anninca you hit the nail on the head. Obama isn’t a progressive, isn’t a centrist, and isn’t a conservative. He has no core positions. It is all about him and his trolls here are too blind or well paid to see the truth.
                  I have been an FDR democrat all my life and this primary seasons has thrown out the Roosevelt legacy and replaced it with a self absorbation (it thats a word) legacy.

                  • Hope Floats

                    He’s the worst of the same old same old we’re trying to get rid of, and the old DC is clinging to him like drowning men to a life raft. They’re all going down. Count them 1-2-3 times and dead.

                • Susan

                  I agree with you. i just don’t see Hillary getting the nomination, as much as I’d love it. The DNC will never cut Obama at this point because then his supporters will turn into another PUMA group and HRC would probably lose. Whatever democrat loses this year, I think their career is over so I hope that it is Ofradma and he is gone forever!

                  What PUMA should do is protest because the process needs to change, but they also need to get the stories out about Obama that can be proven so that his supporters start to question him. That is the only way. If PUMA gets very visible in the world and media, his supporters will start wondering what is up with all those people saying he is a fraud and then they will check on their own to see what they are missing. When they were all crying and fainting over him and I had looked at the websites and voting records of the top 3 dems, I thought, wow Obama is a joke. I tossed him quickly. Then as I kept hearing the MSM and others fawning all over him I kept thinking, man, what am I missing? I had to do some research. Well, the research led me to believe that he is not who he portrays himslef to be and I became more and more suspicious of him and that is when Obama the fraud became very clear to me. If his supporters take what he says as gospel then they will never get it. Only when they start to question why so many intelligent dems are just saying no deal will they hopefully try to get it!

              • slobodaneee

                When anyone says something positive about Obama or defends him on this nutball site (although it is fun) you claim we are paid to do it. Yet some of you also blame the bloggers and the netroots community, whatever that is, for Hillary’s loss. your arguments make no sense at all. Then again you could be right. Some of us were paid Hillary bloggers, but she stiffed us (as she did many vendors) and we needed the money. :)

    • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

      For starters, of the $52 million, why didn’t Plouffe break it down into Primary donations and GE donations?

      GE donations cannot be used by anyone until they are the official elected candidate for the GE.

      Like everything else, Obama can play numbers games and can say part truths, why not the full truth and say how much was actually GE money donated, which is useless money right now?

      But because Bambi’s campaign spoke “We must Believe” because Bambi never lies or misleads does he…lol

      Heard Bambi’s trip to Europe and Iraq/Afganistan is going to be called the second Kennedy airlift, right after Obama’s campaign holds a march in Selma, so Bambi can play those lies with a swing again..lol

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Obama did hit his goal, at least. He now has to hit it monthly.

        • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

          Obama didn’t hit his goal, he projected needing 4-500 million from June to October for the POTUS race. That means works out to a minimum of $80 million/month, Obama fell short by $28 million and Primary month is not convertable to GE funding, so the breakdown of what donations went where is important.

          It is easy for those who maxed out the Primary donations to max out the GE money in June for show, but means nothing what so ever until September for that money, and that is only if Obama is the Dem Nominee otherwise the money goes back to the donors.

          • Susan

            And BTW, have the Dems paid for their convention??? Last I heard they were short.

            • slobodaneee

              Has Hillary paid off her debt?

        • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

          ann his goal was 100 mil, he missed it by 50%
          and as pointed out above, if that was GE money, he cant tough it

          maybe thats why he is leaving the country….

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            I’m confused by all the numbers, frankly! LOL*

            50 million is alot of dough. Hollywood came through in June.

            I watched, though, as Hillary showed how to win without spending excessively. Obama is about to hit what I call, the Crispy Cremes effect. That’s when you over-expand too fast, and lose your grip on the product.

            Read about the massive staff he’s plowing into MO. That’s unheard of. But here’s the deal. It’s also unmanageable. Watch as his offices begin to be a problem for him.

            Did you see the article yesterday about the problem with the local Dems? It was exactly what I’m talking about. Obama’s staff went up against the Dems and the head of the Dem party is an Obama supporter. The Dems learned that Obama will not be canvassing for any down-ticket Dems and the fundraising will now be dual. That put the Obama supporter in a real bind, obviously.

            That type of problem ensues when you have TOO many staffers on the ground.

            He was told in PA that he was over-saturating with TV ads. He chose to fire the consultant and do it his way. He spent obscene money there……and lost handily.

            So McCain can do it. McCain has to get energized, which he may not be able to do.

            I say let Obama have his attention now. Nobody is paying attention, anyway. Most of us are on vacation or not even reading much news.

            So now’s his good time for good news.

            McCain will hit after Labor Day.

            Plus, we always have Obama gaffes to further the cause. He steps into it regularly because he has very poor judgment. That won’t change.

      • Hillarity Ensues

        Considering the average donation went from $102 to $68, I suspect he’s fine… I’m still close to $1500 under my primary contribution limit.

        • don tufts

          then tell me oh wise one if he is so fine ,why does rassmussen again have him tied with mac?second if you and your small mind think that just because he and you call yourself democrats that you are i disagree.im a FDR Truman centrist democrat that will NEVER vote for anyone that has associated hiself with marxists and blatenly antiamerican friends and i dont care what color his skin is ,it doesnt matter.white ,black,brown ,pink or pokadot it does not make a differance.the thing that makes a differance is his associations and his vasilations,so chew on that for a while.

          • Hillarity Ensues

            Heh… That’s rich — an ‘FDR Truman centrist Democrat’? You are aware that FDR and Truman were on opposite sides of the 1940s Democratic party, aren’t you? I suppose it’s fitting — schizophrenic poster claims schizophrenic ideology.

            You do realize that plenty of FDR opponents – mainly the gilded age dregs – called him a marxist, too, don’t you?

            I tire of repeating it – but I couldn’t care less about the national polls… they’re meaningless. One would think that, after 2000, 2004, and HRC’s primary loss in 2008 – we would all be on the same page and understand that we do not elect Presidents (or Presidential candidates) on a ‘national’ basis.

            • don tufts

              you can make fun of me or any of us that doesnt change a thing.i vowed back in january that i would never vote for a scumbag that ignored his constituants in favor of a major fundraiser,and that by doing so put their lives at risk.mac on the other hand ,and his staff are the reason that my two disabled children wernt srewed around with by the SSI people.they were enroled in 6 months rather than the 2 to 3 years it normally takes and i forever endebted personally to him and his staff for this.tell me as i really dont get it how someone that is supposed to have a background in community organizing was not aware of the conditions in rezkos apartments especially after scumbag helped get the grants for rezko.please oh wise and enlightened one tell me.

            • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

              dude millions of us are FDR Truman center DEMS

              You know Clinton DEMS

              We understand the need to pay the tribes in Afghanistan border region, and we understand the need for a safety net and well regulated markets..

              AND best of all we understand the MIDDLE is the backbone of the country and to win the world support we need to be supporters but not enablers….

              • slobodaneee

                With those beliefs you plan to vote for McCain? He doesn’t share those values. Oh, I forgot. You can’t get over Hillary’s loss and to punish us (and yourself really) you will vote for McCain anyway. As far as those of you who call Obama Marxist or some such nonsense, it was your heroine who supported $5,000.00 for each newborn without any earthly clue on how to pay for it. This was before Iowa. Google if you don’t believe me.

                • bart

                  Yawn.

            • Deke

              You don’t support the national polls because your boy isn’t doing well. He should be up by 20 points. It is a democratic year. Don’t talk about history when you don’t know what you are talking about. FDR was a populist centrist. The democratic party in the 30s was a party of political extremes. There were segments of the party that wanted socialism but no one in the party throught that he was a marxist. That talk came from wealthy republicans like Prescott Bush. Obama coalition is the anti-Roosevelt coalition. Roosevelts coalition was rural poor, urban unemployed, Jews and liberals. At that time republican were the party of the intellectuals, urban elite, and blacks. Roosevelt made inroads in the black vote but it didn’t really happen until the 1960s. Never compare Obama to Roosevelt.

        • Perry Logan

          Is it too soon to begin impeachment proceedings?

          • Susan

            I’ve had that same thought! I think we can since Ofraudma already thinks he is President!

            Hey, he looks tired. Let’s play a little trick on him. We can give him a little crack and then congratulate him on his big win and say, wow, look at how hard this little POTUS thing is. You are going to be tired and run around like this for at least 4 years fraudman. Good job. Then maybe he’ll just resign.

    • KarenG

      Wasn’t it Obama who said, he could easily raise
      $100 million in June and he would raise extra
      money on the side for the Denver stadium and he
      would refill the DNC coffers?

      • Hillarity Ensues

        Yeah…. I think it was in between flipping off Hillary by scratching his nose and sending secret signals to Al Qaeda with the fist bump…. Or maybe it was when he was secretly advocating Stalinism because someone posted a blog on his site.

        • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

          No it was when the pathalogical liar was in a church in Selma laying claim that his existance is all due to the march in Selma in 1965…..oh wait, Obama existed 4 years before that march did he not?

          Your making up things is far outnumbered by the actual liars spewed by your boss troll….lol

        • Deke

          Why is it always about Hillary and her supporters. What does your douche bag candidate stand for today. Then you better go back tomorrow and see what he stand for then. I hope the campaign is not over paying you because you certainly aren’t earning it.

        • Hope Floats

          From the LA Times blog:

          He’s talking critically about his opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And he says, “That’s all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.”

          Watch the video right then. The presidential candidate raises his right hand to seemingly scratch his cheek.

          He doesn’t use his whole hand though. Just one finger. Briefly. A couple of strokes.
          Democratic presidential candidate and Illinois Senator Barack Obama touches his cheek with one finger while criticizing his opponent New York Senator Hillary Clinton April 17, 2008 during remarks in Raleigh, NC

          He pauses. He smiles slyly as the crowd begins to mumble and then he tries, somewhat distracted, to continue his remarks, smiling as the buzz spreads through the crowd.

          He’ll no doubt deny it later, but that mischievous smile seems to confirm plenty. And the crowd sure sees something.

          • basil

            Just like that perverse smirk when he was brandishing his crotch at the reporterettes in the Journalists Gone Wild clip.

            The guy is a sick-o.

            :evil:

        • FembotsForObama

          These are inane comments to make. No intelligent Dem even considers these as real issues or the controversies of his campaign. These are faux issues created by the media (except for the flipping off Hillary during a debate one, that gesture was obviously sophomoric). Rezko, the expansion of the privatization of public housing, flip flops, A PATTERN OF poor judgment — these are what we care about

      • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

        yes it was Plouffe baby

        • basil

          I always though the correct pronounciation of his name was “POOF” like in wave-your-wand-and-make-it-disappear.

          I was highly annoyed to learn it’s pronounced Pluff then I realized that rhymes with PUFF, like in smoking hopium or the song-dragon.

    • Hope Floats

      Yeah, we know all about Obama’s under $200 club. They live in Kenya, Indonesia, China, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria.

      • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

        You forgot Gaza and every cemetary in the good ole US of A…..lol

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      50 mil short of his 100 mil monthly target? hmmm think the subprime pockets are empty baby…

    • Newly Independent

      “Boy… the party sure isn’t rallying around Obama, are they?”

      Ummm…

      HELL no.

      Oh – and by the way – Obama was SUPPOSED to be in the $300 million range by now…

      Why isn’t he, hun???

    • chezmadame

      Waffles only appears to have delivered 52% of what he promised after the DNC cooked the numbers. The real figure is 37% of what he promised.

      Oh yeah, and for the fourth staight month Waffles spent more than he took in.

      Anyone beginning to notice a pattern in the differences between what Waffles promises and what he actually delivers?

  • destardi

    I hate barackula as much as I hate the Shrub, and I never knew that would even be possible.

    racebaiter extraordinaire.

    yea, heal this country, moron.

    Arghhhhh

    • Matilda

      Who is the Shrub?

      • Hope Floats

        That’s what they’ve called GWB since he was Governor. Cause his Dad’s the big Bush.

        • jwrjr

          Didn’t that originate with Ann Richards?

          • Hillarity Ensues

            Molly Ivins, actually.

          • bart

            I think it might have been the late, great, much-missed Molly Ivins.

            • Hillarity Ensues

              Absolutely — the much-missed Molly Ivins

            • Hope Floats

              I miss Ann Richards, too. She would have been a better President than Bush. She had the best zingers, too.

              Poor George. He can’t help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.

  • BoboBolinski

    Isn’t it time for you Hillary supporters to get real and support Obama. We now have enough money to bribe even the most stubborn amongst you.

    • Mr. X

      Why would anyone support someone who’s that racist? 20 years in a racist church and did nothing about it. The man has no principles.

    • georgiapeach

      This would seem to imply that the Obama supporters have all been bribed.

      • Northwest rain

        BOBO’s supporters are cult members — and they have set aside all their critical thinking ability so that all they need to do is “believe” in the BOBO lies.

    • helen

      Because I love this country and feel that backtrack barack and his minions are a threat to America.
      How you gonna feel when you don’t have freedom of speech?,he destroys everything you believe is good about America. If he gets in office watch what you say on your phone or computer, he just voted its ok for the government to spy on you.

      COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

      PUMA RULES

    • no waffles aka drkate

      no amount of money could get me to vote obama, moron. but keep on dreamin’ boob.

    • fif

      HE WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER GET MY VOTE.

      • not this time

        I have a great idea for all of you Pumas, Clinton counts too, just say no deal and all of the other psychotic groups that are living in fairy land:

        “Take your votes, turn them sideways and shove them up your ASSES”

        • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

          Nahhhhh rather use our votes for McCain to keep the pathalogical liar and unqualified politician Barry our of the White House, just to piss you trolls off….lol

        • Hope Floats

          That’s what you call staying home on election day. We’re all clear on that one.

    • vinnie

      That’s the sad mentality among you bots, think you can bribe and cheat your way to a win. Jesus could come to my door and ask for a vote and I still wouldn’t give it to that fraud.

    • mahaska

      It’s time for bo to QUIT. Before he embarrasses himself even more.

    • Deke

      Unlike like Obama and his supporters, we have morals and standards. Is Rezko paying you to be here.

    • Hope Floats

      Bu bu but we all all aaaall have pr pr pfft principles and be be believe in uhhhhhh De de democracy.

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      LOL we know thats how Uhhbama rolls, witness SD payoffs, but millions of Americans cannot be bribed to consider themselves over their country–

    • Susan

      I’ll never be able to support that lying fraud. That has been my position for many months now. There in lies the problem and why I have to vote McCain.

      For me it’s not even aout Hillary. It’s about Ofraudma. I’d happily take many of the other dems who ran, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, but never Oslima. He makes me ill. The thing with the others is that I am unhappy with some of their behavior, but I do not see them hurting America. Barfy? He hates America from all I can see.

      The video where he won’t salute our flag to me is very telling!

    • chezmadame

      Wait…did you say bribe? Why would you say such a thing? Freudian slip? You guys engage in bribery?
      Does the FEC know?

      Another of Waffles’ enlightened supporters

  • Joe Smith

    52 million sounds like a lot of money but they were predicting 100 million for June. They need raise 400 million to compete with the republicans. So 52 million is a lots of money but don’t forget he is 84 million behind the curve as it is. So he will have to raise much much more to stay competitive.

    • Hillarity Ensues

      I think you need to update your math – and remove the faulty WSJ report from the equation.

      The Obama/DNC vs. McCain/RNC reported last week was reported to be ~25-30 million — but based on the faulty WSJ number of Obama raising 30 million in June. We now know that Obama actually raised about 22 million more than reported, closing the gap to single digits…. and the O/DNC (yes, heavily Obama weighted) is closing the gap on McCain/RNC number (more evenly split than the DNC side, but slightly RNC weighted).

      • BytheBeardofZeus

        Maybe if the $55 Million is true, Obama can now afford a decent forgery of his birth certificate.

        Who knows maybe even a doctors report too.

        NOT!

        • vinnie

          LOL!

          Born at birth: Barry Dunham, then he became Barry Soretoro, then Barry Obama, then Barry Hussein Obama II. See y’all, he is about change. The RNC got it covered, no worries.

          • Fred C. Dobbs

            The guy’s had more last names than Elizabeth Taylor.

      • Joe Smith

        McCain will get 84 million in September no matter what happens. So Obama will have to raise that money as well.

      • Randall Allen

        You need to step away from the Kool Aid cooler………..

        Hussein and his trolls are pathetic!

      • mahaska

        Nothing like a little creative bookkeeping.

      • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

        is that 50 million for the GE? we would like to know, can you get the breakdown ?

        • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

          I think it is for the GE, i htink it is his big donors, Uhhbama had nothign for the GE set aside. I think this uhhbamapaloza tour is o get himj out of the USA due to low funds and to get free airtime since he has no dough

          HILLARY IS POTUS

        • Chicago Joe

          I heard on the news that only 2 million can be used on the GE. Not sure if they were right on that.

  • Kathy

    I want to know how much money was raised from “us” to pay off Hillary’s debt.

    • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard nedich

      last i heard it was over 10 million dollars for hillary’s debt…

      but there was another push for donations that week so it could very well be paid off now…

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

      • Mr. X

        Is he including what Hillary raised? Are they pooling everything together now?

        • Hope Floats

          From what I’ve heard NO. Primary and GE funds are separate. Hillary has 20 million for the GE that is to remain untouched. It will be returned after August 28 unless her donors would like that money to go toward her 2012 “Senate campaign” read: debt or Presidential run.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Hillary’s unity efforts did not really begin until July, so I doubt her fundraiser’s money is part of this.

          I suspect this is a lot of Hill money, from the SDs who moved to endorse him at the end of the primary, as well as the Hollywood crowd. Remember the stories on how Hollywood was opening its pocketbooks?

          But God forbid any of it comes from the Teacher’s associations. They are lobbyists, you know. :)

      • destardi

        I think we’d all agree we want more than a “I heard”…No disrespect intended, but an official tally update from the campaign would be much appreciated.

        • Hope Floats

          The FEC has to weigh in first?

  • don tufts

    i see that neither the bots nor the media is talking about how much the dnc brought in for down ticket races.
    also were did the money come from?how much came from overseas,how much was bundled.its easy to play with average donations when you count tickets at events,charges to the media etc.

  • txchelle

    I received an email today from Howard Dean, the subject of which was “Don’t miss the bus.”

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m staying as far away from that bus as is possible. There’s just no telling who might end up under it.

    Oh yeah, the first stop on Howard Dean’s tour? Crawford, Texas.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      He said that? Man, that’s not a good approach.

      • missE

        The bus will be in New Orleans tomorrow.

        I am looking at my PUMA sticker and thinking it would look good on his bumper.

      • mahaska

        I worry about their lack of rational thinking. They have to know about throwing people under the bus and this is what they think is a good thing to say. For over middle age people, they sure put their foot in their mouth a lot. Pretty limber.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Good….I’m glad it’s not just me who questions the word choice! LOL*

      • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

        Yeah can you imagine!! LOL LOL, He is on a bus tour with the phony seal to the South and to register felons in VA..

        LOL LOL

    • mahaska

      Geez me too. Back away from the bus.

    • Hope Floats

      You know, I can think of one person in Crawford, TX I’d like to see standing in front of that bus.

  • BJinChicago

    “Fool me once shame on you; fool me twicw shame on me.”

    I will not vote for Obama no matter who is his VP choice. America ia in serious trouble economically and politically, and the nation cannot afford another inexperienced egotist as POTUS. Obama has done nothing in his life to give credence to the notion that he has the ability to fulfill the requirements of the position. He is in his late forties, and he has done nothing. I am from Illinois and believe me, N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

    I don’t care if the rest of the world throws rose petals at Obama; we don’t need a rock star for president. In fact, Europe had the same acceptance early on to Hitler and Mussolini and we know how some Middle Easterners revere their terrorists. (God help us.)

    Hillary or McCain 2008; there is no other viable option.

    • wodiej

      I agree…with all of the serious issues w the economy and such, that is my first concern. I seriously doubt w the way things are that McCain is concerned w overturning Roe vs Wade or any other womens rights. We need someone experienced and committed. Since Obama is neither and appears to not have done a lick of work his entire life, I don’t know what in the hell makes ANYONE think he is REMOTELY QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE US. McCain is a far better choice if we can’t get Hillary.

      And don’t Europeans tend to be ultra liberal? Is their economy tanking? Are they spending billions on a war? Maybe they can afford to fawn over people who have no business being the leader of anything. It just shows you that stupidity is everywhere.

  • vinnie

    don’t forget to leave a comment at the end of the article. There are some serious kool aid drinkers…and again, we’re called racist. When will they ever get it, it’s not his skin color, it’s just HIM.

    • Susan

      Yes, I was wondering, if the dems decided they just had to have a black man for POTUS this year, weren’t there any available without such a checkered past and so many terroristic ties?????

      The fraud will make it so that no blacks get to run for POTUS for many decades, if not centuries!

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Awwwww…

  • fif

    The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee will try to boost his résumé next week with a five-country European and Middle East tour that threatens to turn into Obamapalooza.

    How much longer can this ABSURDITY continue?!!!! He has zero foreign policy experience (especially because he never actually did anything as Chairman of the one committee he has responsibility for), and going on a completely manufactured tour to give speeches is going to “beef up his credentials?” It’s completely ludicrous. And since he is bringing along the biggest talking heads he could wrangle, it will be treated like the Second Coming. I am so disgusted by this on-going vacuous spectacle. It’s right out of Lewis Carroll.

    And the Iraqi’s “really really like him.” What the hell do they know about Obama except what the pathetic media spews? “Haloed” indeed. I CANNOT WAIT for his day of reckoning. What goes up, must come down.

    • audacity

      the Iraqi’s can have him as president.

      • Hope Floats

        No, don’t wish him on the poor Iraqis. They’ve suffered enough. Give him to Canada.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    My guess is that the tour abroad could backfire with voters. Great PR for Obama internationally, but people are funny about that kind of thing. Europe isn’t America.

    It’s going to increase his elitist persona. It’s also going to make him appear very, very presumptuous. Not only is he not officially the nominee, he’s not the president, either.

    Did you guys see where all 3 major network anchors are going?

    • basil

      Didn’t see the itinerary but heard it was Couric, Gibson and Williams and they’ll each be setting ho separate hdgrters in different cities.

      :roll:

      This is un-F-ing-believable.

  • Kirk Tofte

    It will be interesting to see (if we ever get the detailed numbers) the breakdown of Obama’s $52 million that his campaign says he raised in June. Many questions linger:
    Why did it take so long to come out, when in the past they couldn’t WAIT to discuss results?
    Did any of this money go to retire Hillary’s debt and is the Obama campaign taking credit for some of those results that don’t help HIM a jot?
    If people can only afford to give $68 or less in one month, what are the chances that they are nearly tapped out for the crucial coming months?
    Does any of it represent contributions to the DNC for which Obama is also taking some credit?
    Obama and the DNC will need all the money they can get their hands on to overcome McCain’s public financing, the money the RNC will raise and what the 527s will throw at them–are they ready for the onslaught?

  • missE

    Paul Mooney had no problem with satire when he was on the Chappelle show.

    The Chappelle show was all about satire and showing the worst stereotypes of all races.

  • fif

    I don’t believe those numbers at all. What happened to the $30 million figure that was released before? They have been lying about the source and accuracy of his funding all along–this is no different. It’s all PR & Marketing from ad. exec Axelrod, and the media is useless now. There is NO accountability. They can say anything they want.

    • mahaska

      Take heart everyone, axelrod has never backed a presidential winner. And look who’s with bo, kerry et al. the presidential losers club,all sponsered by axelrod soon to have another member.
      axelrod must have been a really bad as man.

      • mahaska

        s/b ad man

      • Northwest rain

        Donna is a racist Brazile plue Axlerod — these two losers make quite a team — along with Howie Dean scream and poopolosie — and let’s not forget Reid.

        Reid is the one who allowed the two horrible bush choices for the Supreme Count to get through the Senate. Which might be a good thing — because the Dem leadership can no longer scream Roe v Wade to keep women stifled.

        (As in “Edith Stifle yourself” — Archie Bunker, All in the Family.)

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I’ve always felt that more traditional Dems will feel more at ease with McCain than Obama. It’s all about experience, that same poll figure that popped up repeatedly in the primaries. Also, it’s about his qualifications as commander in chief.

    Obama will not play with people who don’t feel he’s ready for the position.

  • Ugo

    No to Obama, We are not not voting for Obama. All the way to the White House is Sen. John MacCain.

    The true Democrat is Sen. John MacCain. My country first, the honest one that love this country, the one that believe in what he says and stand by it, the one that put his country first is the one that will be getting my vote. The one that understands it, the one that gets it. The man of principle.

    Not a voter suppresser.

    Wake up America!

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ NotYoursweetie

    Posted to defend Ricky last night:
    This is such a deja vu!
    When Wellstone was running for his reelection (his last race), Democrats.com was supporting him.
    The Bushies pressured Wellstone to distance himself from a website whose criticism of W was “over the top”.
    Wellstone complied.

    As for the fun you’re having with Ricky’s theories about Obama’ financing, consider this: before anyone heard about Obama, way before the primaries, the facebook, the internet small donations, he had 99 million dollars. A simple look at the names behind that money will make you stop laughing really fast.
    Telecoms, pharma – all the Bushie pioneers are there. 99 million. posted 07/16/2008 at 22:29:59

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      >>> The Bushies pressured Wellstone to distance himself from a website whose criticism of W was “over the top”.
      Wellstone complied.

      Nonetheless, they snuffed him in that ginned-up KingAir crash.

      You have to REALLY work to crack up a KingAir, and work even harder to have a Non-Surviveable Accident in one…

  • fred

    52 million I say 20 million came from Clinton donors giving him money to pay off her debt, he will take credit ofcourse. The donors will see if he will do the right thing

  • Fandango13

    GGGGgggrrrr: April, 2008, NPR and Ken Rudin: Rudin was the cool guy who first began the Hillary Clinton=Glenn Close/Fatal Attraction meme, on NPR, everyone’s fave, right? Ken Rudin was SO bad that even Olbermann declared him the Winner of the Worst award. Now that’s BAAAAAD.
    PUMAS have long memories.
    No Obama. Not now. Not ever.

  • HARP

    Want to see where Backtrack gets his money and trolls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g

    • DeaninMI

      OH. MY. GOD.!

      Nice digging HARP. Everybody should see this.

  • KarenG

    Don’t forget the Obama letter featured on here where
    Plouffe was almost begging for money. There own
    little chart showed they were now way beyond the
    Republicans.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Baghdad Bob is running Obama’s PR shop.

  • HARP

    In May Obama received $21.9 million in contributions — a substantial drop from April, when he raised $30.7 million. It was an especially steep decline from February and March, when he raised $55.4 million and $41.3 million, respectively.

    And now they expect us to believe he raised 52 Mil. I don`t think so.

    • vinnie

      Maybe BO’s campaign got ACORN doing their fundraising tally as well.

      • Hope Floats

        LMAO. The nuts don’t fall very far from the tree in the Obama camp.

    • YoNoForObama

      I don’t think he raised $52 million either.

  • fred

    Obama should havd raise atleast 70-100 million now that Hillary is out of the race, but yes Hillary donors are the reason for the 52 miilion, i suppose they will test him and see if he will pay off her debt that is rummored around 3-5 million. Obama will want to take credit for doing nothing. Hillary donors where Max out they couldn’t donate to her, but now they could don’t $4600.00 to him and hope he would use the money to pay off her debt which has been mostly paid off by PUMA

  • fred

    donate*

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    Kids,

    As a long-time John McCain backer (and Democrat to boot), I fear the worst – Tell Hillary to dust off her Acceptance Speech for Denver.

    What with Jesse’s help and the sure fact that Kid Hope will stagger on or over his Political Johnson during his Most Excellent World Tour, more delegates will amble back to Senator Clinton prior to Denver.

    Clinton v. McCain will be a donnybrook!

    Da Dismem-Bah in Novem-Bah!

    Hell of a brawl and America Wins!

    http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/07/jackson-kramer-are-defiant-ones.html

  • fred

    Obama campaign admited in order to win GA, MS, AL, SC, they would have to increase the black vote turnout to 30% (laughable) many of those states don’t even have 30% of blacks living there, but it a good illusion to sell to your backers and donors. You’re right Florida is not a toss up, nor MO,AL, MS, or GA. We have a long way togo until Nov, Obama will be damaged by the Convention with housing 75,000 to hold the delegates hostage with the threat of RIOT if he dosen’t get his way, people will realized if they surrender to this they will forever been held hostage under the threat of RIOT everytime another Obama thinks white America owes them something

    • DeaninMI

      I’ve said it before. Just what kind of PR nightmare is Obama setting himself up for?

      I can just imagine Hillary taking the stage, and the rising clamor of booing that will happen when she does.

      There will be no way to stifle so many people who have shown so much hate for her this primary season.

      It will be yet another example of Obama being Obama’s worst enemy.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        It will be a disaster.

  • RepublicanChick

    I would like a serious answer if anyone has the time or energy to go down this path.

    Why is a candidate, who has not even been to his own convention nor officially won the nomination, making speeches abroad?

    Is this man so vain that he believes that the Presidency already belongs to him? (Rhetorical question!)

    I had read somewhere that he was supposedly going to raise 100 million dollars in June. Perhaps, I read that wrong.

    If Obama is elected President, be prepared to have everything censored in this country when referring to him. Hollywood and the MSM are merely preparing us for what might happen.

    God help us all.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Anyone who creates his own presidential seal obviously lacks good judgment on this.

      Germany has spoken clearly. The government feels it is in poor taste.

      However…..????

      Since when does good taste apply to Obama’s choices?

      Other than looking GQ, he’s pretty much shown us what his judgment is really about: Rezko and house, Wright, presidential seal, FISA, etc. The list goes on.

      I think a lot of voters will be quite turned off by his presumtuous tour.

  • Objective analysis

    I am wondering when did the $52 Million come in. A weeks ago he said he had $30 Million. All of a sudden he has a whopping $22 Million extra?

    I guess muslims like Rezko and other online contributors helped improved his image after he put them under the bus, within a week.

    • steven Mather

      Rezko’s religious affiliation is irrelevant.

  • Pragmatist

    Has BO quit yet?

  • VMorris

    That’s the sad mentality among you bots, think you can bribe and cheat your way to a win. Jesus could come to my door and ask for a vote and I still wouldn’t give it to that fraud.

    Hey, vinnie–You forgot: bully, intimidate, harass and beat into submission.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com Gloria

    Here’s some info on how McCain and downticket Dems are doing in NM…

    NM Money: McCain Rakes it In; Downticket Money Update; and I Receive My First Democratic Fundraising Call…

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6m3ew5

  • RepublicanChick

    From my perspective, McCain is going to need a lot of help campaigning as well as donations.

    I am refusing to send money to the RNC and McCain’s campaign. I know a lot of other Republicans that gave generously during the last election and do not feel compelled to do so thus far.

    An even greater number of Republicans that I know are uncomfortable with McCain’s reaching out to Hillary supporters. To them, it is a betrayal of the highest order. However, they fail to understand that politics creates strange bedfellows.

    While I applaud PUMA, JSND, and the efforts of other Democrats on this board to support McCain, I fear it will be naught as the Republican base isn’t warming up to McCain. Maybe things will change after the convention, but that is highly doubtful.

    There are several big GOP donors that I have looked for on the donations lists and I haven’t seen them so far. This is bad news for McCain.

    I do not want Obama in the White House, but the sinking feeling among my friends and family is McCain isn’t going to get any help from Republicans. We won’t create organizations like PUMA, instead most will just sit it out. Pathetic.

    We now refer to them as ‘suicide Republicans’.

    • Hope Floats

      In politics, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Conservatives aren’t warming up to McCain, but he attracts Hispanics and women. He seems fine with this. I think ditching the freepers is the best thing that could happen to the GOP. If we judge from some of Obama’s supporters on the blogs, these people are the same old Bush supporters and are happy with the far left now. They joined to knock Hillary out in the primaries and are looking forward to exacting revenge on McCain for the Gang of 14.

      If Obama becomes the official nominee in Denver, many of Hillary’s supporters will vote for McCain to see the DNC punished for electioneering and voter fraud as well as for our national security. McCain can look forward to millions of votes, if we judge by the 2.5 million members of PUMA and 235 different groups. The polls are already looking good, and the Democratic party leaders are obviously freaking out.

      McCain should run with Olympia Snowe, if Obama doesn’t pick a woman as his VP. It would revolutionize the GOP as moderate and progressive, and it would be a huge attraction to Hillary voters. She and McCain both served on the Gang of 14 together, and it would send a message to conservatives as well. I like economic conservatives, not social conservatives. Obama giving speeches with Donny McClurkin in SC worried me, and that shows you who he’s fishing for from the old Bush base. So screw him. He’s been no friend to women, either.

      I also came across an article on possible SCOTUS appointments. McCain said this about the matter.

      “Regardless of who is elected president, there will be strong sentiments in favor of appointing a woman or someone who would reflect other elements of diversity such as an Hispanic or African-American,” said Theodore Olson, a former U.S. solicitor general who heads McCain’s advisory committee on judicial appointments.

      McCain’s choices will be constrained should the Democrats expand their 51-49 Senate majority. The nonpartisan Cook Political Report forecasts a Democratic gain of four to seven Senate seats.

      “If a Republican president is making a selection with a Democratic Senate, confirmation will be a big issue,” Brand said.

      That dynamic might push McCain toward a compromise, such as Maureen Mahoney, 53, a Washington appellate lawyer at Latham & Watkins. Her appointment would make some conservatives uneasy, because she lacks a track record as a judge and argued in favor of racial preferences in college admissions in a 2003 Supreme Court case.

      At the same time, Mahoney has Republican credentials. She serves on McCain’s legal advisory committee and defended the high court ruling that sealed Bush’s election in 2000.

      Female Judges

      Other women likely to appear on McCain’s short list include federal appeals court judges Diane Sykes, 50, Consuelo Maria Callahan, 58, and Reena Raggi, 57. Callahan is Hispanic.

      McCain, a 71-year-old Arizona Republican, might also consider a sitting senator, possibly 56-year-old John Cornyn of Texas, or Judge Michael McConnell, 53, whose nomination by Bush to the Denver-based 10th Circuit received some Democratic support.

      Still, O’Connor herself has said the court needs another woman. Calls for another female justice have grown even louder than those for the court’s first Hispanic, Brand said.

      Should McCain be elected, “there will be a huge amount of pressure for him to nominate another woman,” Brand said.

      Greg Stohr
      Tue Jul 15, 12:01 AM ET

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080715/pl_bloomberg/analt7sxdkiq

  • larryfan

    Obama should apply/Lobby for the Ambassadorship to Iran…..

  • ts

    y’all should start stockpiling abortions, as you won’t get any when Preznit bbq limps into office.

    yay!

  • rjj

    That’s interesting. They want to “lose” this election, you think?

  • IndigoGrrl

    I think that hesitant republicans are going to warm up to McCain as soon as the real stuff starts coming out on Obama… the Republicans have not yet begun to fight and if lifelong democrats can bring themselves to vote for McCain because Obama is so slimy I’m sure some tepid Republicans will certainly do the same. Its about whats right for our country not our parties.

    • baracknophobia

      there’s nothing that’s been unearthed here that’s irrefutably slimy about Obama. The primary process is broken, that’s clear, but the candidate himself doesn’t have much dirt on him beyond Rev Wright. And if he weathored the storm of a top advisor and friend saying “God damn America” none of these tempests in teapots you guys talk about his going to stick to him.

      Mcain on the other hand, keating 5, cheating on his ex, calling his current wife the c word, joking about Chelsea being ugly, joking about rape, the list goes on and on, but he was a POW so he gets a pass or something.

      • IndigoGrrl

        I don’t play with trolls… my momma taught me better.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        barack….I don’t think he weathered the Wright storm.

        I think that’s why his polls are flat. People made up their minds then.

        Just my opinion. There’s no way to really test that at this point.

        As for McCain and his ex-wife, if she’s OK, then most people are OK. Remember, you’re talking about a nation with a divorce rate of 65%. We’ve all got an ex these days.

      • Hope Floats

        McCain went before the Ethics Committee and was found of no wrong-doing regarding the Keating 5. There is nothing about his first marriage or stories about private jokes or fights with his current wife that pose a threat to either his candidacy or his character. His experience as a POW is a testament to his strength of character, not a “free pass.” We know that as the President, there would be no scandals concerning his marriage or offending women. America could count on McCain to represent us around the world honorably.

        Obama’s association with Rev. Wright still worries many Americans. When the video emerged, Obama’s favorability ratings plummeted. He gave his race speech, and with the help of the media, he was given the benefit of the doubt. We now know that speech was “just words.” Rev. Wright has a book coming out in October, too. Don’t think you’ve heard the last of him. He is the least of Obama’s worries, though.

  • IndigoGrrl

    …and speaking of the republicans not yet starting to fight…WHY should they? When someone is hanging themselves its best to let have the rope and stay outa the way.

  • navyvet48

    Since when does Obama have a thick skin? His idea of thick skin isn’t not never ever if this were true we would be able to speak what we really feel without being labeled racists or threatened with certain death!

  • HARK

    whitey video’s on youtube!!!!

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

    • bart

      If this were true, it would be all over the ‘net. NOT on YouTube. Don’t click, you’re likely to find a penis enlarger, a sick kid who wants postcards or get rickrolled. Either way, a waste of time.

  • DAB

    The St. Petersburg article hit the nail on the head with its depiction of a humorless, rigid candidate. No self-deprecation from the great one — we might just see it for the truth it is. He dare not even suggest a lack of perfection.

    John McCain on the other hand does not seem to take himself overly seriously. His appearances on SNL and Letterman were charming and well delivered.

    If we can’t have a Democrat that we can believe in, then McCain is the one for me.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Obama may even be a biggers asshole than Steve Jobs.

      Naw!!!!

      Close, though!!

      • bart

        Sorry, I can’t agree with this. Jobs, at least, gives us good products that work at Apple and Pixar. What’s BO done????

  • chezmadame

    Isn’t it weird when trolls define success as getting a 52 on a test. Didn’t they brag that it would be 100?
    I guess that’s better than the score of 30 that was reported before the DNC curved the grades.

  • baracknophobia

    isn’t it weird when Hillary supporters use fundraising as a benchmark for success in a candidate? Obama raised more than Hillary, so we appreciate your endorsement of our candidate.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Well, Hillary is out of the race, so raising 10 million in a week is pretty indicative of our commitment.

      Remember, that’s 40 million in a month in an ideal world.

      For a candidate who has no chance?

      That’s pretty impressive to anyone but a snarker.

      I’m sure it’s grabbed the attention of politicians. They would love to have that kind of post-defeat support.

  • IndigoGrrl

    yessiree — the number one reason for voting McCain in ’08 — he’s NOT Barack Obama…

    good enough for me!

  • IndigoGrrl

    here trolly troll troll –

    you want my vote ~ and you cain’t have it

  • baracknophobia

    Things I’ve learned here:

    1.Hillary supporters will spend all day defending their candidate online…. But Obama supporters only post on the internet if they are being payed 7 dollars an hour to regurgitate talking points.

    2.The means always justify the ends for Obama, whereas Hillary ran a principled, flip flop free campaign.

    3. It is impossible to disagree with PUMAS in good faith- to disagree, one must “drink kool-aid.”

    4. The sexism of Obama’s supporters should disqualify him from public office. Now let’s all call Michelle a ho.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      >>> 4. The sexism of Obama’s supporters should disqualify him from public office. Now let’s all call Michelle a ho.

      Larry don’t allow no Bitch and Ho callin’ here.

      But you can buy my book about Michelle – SASQUATCH WEARS PRADA.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Good one……..

      There are similar parallels in the types of remarks made from opposite positions.

      I think if you want deep and different discourse, you have to seek out truly radical sites. The articles are fewer but definitely more defined. The comments have the same quality.

      However, those sites are very clear on a single-purpose perspective.

      Take Black Agenda Report. That’s definitely a site where the usual remarks aren’t made. But it’s also quite a clear Black activist perspective.

      They can’t stand Obama, of course. They completely agree with Jackson. He’s no hero there.

    • bart

      Reposting the exact same, tired lines is just sad. Take your finger off the control key and at least say something new.

  • IndigoGrrl

    poor troll – someone pissed in his kool-aid…

    wait a minute ~ it’s not lemon kool-aid after all!

  • baracknophobia

    5- the illusion of principled debate will be dispensed with whenever BO supporters make a good point.