Comments on: POTUS Tree-Rings http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jack http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1281370 Jack Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:46:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1281370 Obama thought he got China on board. But the day after he left, the Chinese leader said Chinese co2 abatements will not be open to verification to anyone outside, meaning especially, the UN's dubious carbon cops/authenticators. So he got nothing, and the Chinese got a laugh Obama thought he got China on board.

But the day after he left, the Chinese leader said Chinese co2 abatements will not be open to verification to anyone outside, meaning especially, the UN’s dubious carbon cops/authenticators.

So he got nothing, and the Chinese got a laugh

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1281066 Onofre's arm Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:38:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1281066 Admin: Spammed again! I would deeply appreciate it if you could dig it out. Thanks. Admin: Spammed again! I would deeply appreciate it if you could dig it out. Thanks.

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1281063 Onofre's arm Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:24:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1281063 Lou,I guess I can consider you part of the AGW skeptic (sceptic in GB) crowd. 20 years ago, an increasingly radical and statist environmental movement were searching for a cause that could not be well defined, and could really only exist in predictions, so they seized upon AGW. James Hansen led the movement after he recently abandoned efforts to generate concern over the coming ice age. That particular "Sky is falling" scenario never caught hold, maybe because the "ice age" cycles were pretty well defined, and we're obviously in the middle of the glacier free wave of the cycle. They made AGW their baby because it would be relatively easy to make false correlations to pin climate change on man's activities, and a naive and scientifically illiterate public could easily be swayed by it's reverence for the mysterious scientific community. People are also naturally anthropocentric so they are more inclined out of arrogance to believe that we actually do have a great deal of influence on the climate, even though termites are a greater contributing factor. The acceptance of the idiotic notion that CO2 is a pollutant, or is a significant greenhouse gas, is a perfect example of how successful the econazi propaganda has been in creating a fear generating fantasy. Plimers book is great, but for the general public, I would recommend reading "State of Fear" by Michael Creighton, since the fictional story line may keep the attention of the reader while Creighton instructs with well footnoted facts in an entertaining and enlightening lecture. Lou,I guess I can consider you part of the AGW skeptic (sceptic in GB) crowd.

20 years ago, an increasingly radical and statist environmental movement were searching for a cause that could not be well defined, and could really only exist in predictions, so they seized upon AGW. James Hansen led the movement after he recently abandoned efforts to generate concern over the coming ice age. That particular “Sky is falling” scenario never caught hold, maybe because the “ice age” cycles were pretty well defined, and we’re obviously in the middle of the glacier free wave of the cycle. They made AGW their baby because it would be relatively easy to make false correlations to pin climate change on man’s activities, and a naive and scientifically illiterate public could easily be swayed by it’s reverence for the mysterious scientific community. People are also naturally anthropocentric so they are more inclined out of arrogance to believe that we actually do have a great deal of influence on the climate, even though termites are a greater contributing factor. The acceptance of the idiotic notion that CO2 is a pollutant, or is a significant greenhouse gas, is a perfect example of how successful the econazi propaganda has been in creating a fear generating fantasy.

Plimers book is great, but for the general public, I would recommend reading “State of Fear” by Michael Creighton, since the fictional story line may keep the attention of the reader while Creighton instructs with well footnoted facts in an entertaining and enlightening lecture.

]]> By: lorac http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280972 lorac Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:45:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280972 Docelder - yes, cap and trade seemed like just a scam to me, not about controlling carbon output. When I heard that someone whose business didn't use up all of its "credits" could sell those to someone who was going OVER their own credits, it was clear that this was all about creating a new market for the rich. If instead of lowering their emissions, the overpolluters just buy credits from someone else, how do we end up with anything but the same levels we have now? There would be no reduction. So - that scheme isn't for affecting the environment - it's just about someone else (not us) making money off a scam... Docelder – yes, cap and trade seemed like just a scam to me, not about controlling carbon output. When I heard that someone whose business didn’t use up all of its “credits” could sell those to someone who was going OVER their own credits, it was clear that this was all about creating a new market for the rich.

If instead of lowering their emissions, the overpolluters just buy credits from someone else, how do we end up with anything but the same levels we have now? There would be no reduction. So – that scheme isn’t for affecting the environment – it’s just about someone else (not us) making money off a scam…

]]> By: Lou Filliger http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280955 Lou Filliger Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:50:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280955 I have done my own research, and I agree that the climate is always changing. Read Ian Plimer's book "Heaven and Earth" to see how it's changed over the period of recorded history and before; see how the current change is less than a blip in the grand scheme of things; see how badly the IPCC model is flawed because of all the things it doesn't take into account. (1) I use statistical analysis in my day to day work, which I've done over thirty years. (2) I don't listen to Hannity or Beck, and if I did I sure wouldn't adopt a view as mine just because they espoused it. (3) I graduated high school when I was 15 and the University of Michigan when I was 19. (4) My hobbies have long included paleogeology and other earth sciences. (5) You are unfit to sit in judgement of me, or to make these insulting remarks about kool-aid, whatever that means. Perhaps a reflection of your own drug-addled past? (6) You should be a bit more respectful of other people's opinions, and I'll tell you why. Because you are a complete, unmitigated IDIOT. You don't know anything, and your life has been a complete waste so far. (7) I really detest people like you - liberal shills whose thinking, if it could be called that, could easily be duplicated by an Excel macro that pulls non-sequiturs out of a database and random intervals and mail-merges them into paragraphs intended to give the semblance of rational thought. (8) Go to hell and take your kindred spirits with you! The Earth, cold or warm, will be better off without you. I have done my own research, and I agree that the climate is always changing. Read Ian Plimer’s book “Heaven and Earth” to see how it’s changed over the period of recorded history and before; see how the current change is less than a blip in the grand scheme of things; see how badly the IPCC model is flawed because of all the things it doesn’t take into account.

(1) I use statistical analysis in my day to day work, which I’ve done over thirty years.

(2) I don’t listen to Hannity or Beck, and if I did I sure wouldn’t adopt a view as mine just because they espoused it.

(3) I graduated high school when I was 15 and the University of Michigan when I was 19.

(4) My hobbies have long included paleogeology and other earth sciences.

(5) You are unfit to sit in judgement of me, or to make these insulting remarks about kool-aid, whatever that means. Perhaps a reflection of your own drug-addled past?

(6) You should be a bit more respectful of other people’s opinions, and I’ll tell you why. Because you are a complete, unmitigated IDIOT.
You don’t know anything, and your life has been a complete waste so far.

(7) I really detest people like you – liberal shills whose thinking, if it could be called that, could easily be duplicated by an Excel macro that pulls non-sequiturs out of a database and random intervals and mail-merges them into paragraphs intended to give the semblance of rational thought.

(8) Go to hell and take your kindred spirits with you! The Earth, cold or warm, will be better off without you.

]]> By: Lou Filliger http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280954 Lou Filliger Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:50:27 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280954 I have done my own research, and I agree that the climate is always changing. Read Ian Plimer's book "Heaven and Earth" to see how it's changed over the period of recorded history and before; see how the current change is less than a blip in the grand scheme of things; see how badly the IPCC model is flawed because of all the things it doesn't take into account. (1) I use statistical analysis in my day to day work, which I've done over thirty years. (2) I don't listen to Hannity or Beck, and if I did I sure wouldn't adopt a view as mine just because they espoused it. (3) I graduated high school when I was 15 and the University of Michigan when I was 19. (4) My hobbies have long included paleogeology and other earth sciences. (5) You are unfit to sit in judgement of me, or to make these insulting remarks about kool-aid, whatever that means. Perhaps a reflection of your own drug-addled past? (6) You should be a bit more respectful of other people's opinions, and I'll tell you why. Because you are a complete, unmitigated IDIOT. You don't know anything, and your life has been a complete waste so far. (7) I really detest people like you - liberal shills whose thinking, if it could be called that, could easily be duplicated by an Excel macro that pulls non-sequiturs out of a database and random intervals and mail-merges them into paragraphs intended to give the semblance of rational thought. (8) Go to hell and take your kindred spirits with you! The Earth, cold or warm, will be better off without you. I have done my own research, and I agree that the climate is always changing. Read Ian Plimer’s book “Heaven and Earth” to see how it’s changed over the period of recorded history and before; see how the current change is less than a blip in the grand scheme of things; see how badly the IPCC model is flawed because of all the things it doesn’t take into account.

(1) I use statistical analysis in my day to day work, which I’ve done over thirty years.

(2) I don’t listen to Hannity or Beck, and if I did I sure wouldn’t adopt a view as mine just because they espoused it.

(3) I graduated high school when I was 15 and the University of Michigan when I was 19.

(4) My hobbies have long included paleogeology and other earth sciences.

(5) You are unfit to sit in judgement of me, or to make these insulting remarks about kool-aid, whatever that means. Perhaps a reflection of your own drug-addled past?

(6) You should be a bit more respectful of other people’s opinions, and I’ll tell you why. Because you are a complete, unmitigated IDIOT.
You don’t know anything, and your life has been a complete waste so far.

(7) I really detest people like you – liberal shills whose thinking, if it could be called that, could easily be duplicated by an Excel macro that pulls non-sequiturs out of a database and random intervals and mail-merges them into paragraphs intended to give the semblance of rational thought.

(8) Go to hell and take your kindred spirits with you! The Earth, cold or warm, will be better off without you.

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280953 Onofre's arm Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:48:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280953 Well, you're wrong on most counts, IF you're blaming any climate change on mankind. The Arctic ice cap may be reducing, but the Antarctic cap is increasing. Honey bees (not all bees, and certainly not all pollinators) are decreasing due to trachial mites and other organic reasons, not temperature changes. Greenland has had broad fluctuations in it's ice coverage, and what may have been happening recently is historically not unusual. The climate ALWAYS changes, there never has been a static climate, and NOBODY in their right mind can state with certainty what the ideal global temperature is. ALL of man's cumulative contributions to the climate have less than a 5% influence, more like 1%. The data that YOU have been swallowing as proof of warming has been cooked, exaggerated, and often incorrectly interpreted. The models used to predict climate change have failed miserably to predict 10 years into the future, let alone 100 years. The effects of CO2 toward warming decrease logarithmically with higher concentrations until it no longer has added effect past a certain concentration. There have been times in Earth's past when CO2 concentrations were 10 times what they are now, and the planet didn't spin off in flames. Most models are unevenly skewed because of intentionally greater inclusion of contributing factors, and omission of mitigating factors. Both sides of the debate do this, but the global warming econazis like Al Gore refuse to debate their data and conclusions with the other side. Why is that? Could it be, as we are beginning to rapidly find out, that the data, graphs, pictures, and films they've used to jamb AGW down our throats is all a pack of lies? Several days ago Al Gore claimed that rocks that are millions of degrees hot are only two kilometers down. Stupendously wrong on both counts, yet how many morons in this world think he is some sort of scientific oracle? It's far more complicated than you, or I, or even the most brilliant scientists can begin to comprehend, whether they want to admit it or not. But the known actual causes for climate change such as solar activity, ocean currents, and the totality of effects of the non-anthropic biosphere, completely dwarf man's contribution. The sea levels are rising, but they've been rising for 10,000 years, and it is a statistical lie to claim that there has been a sudden bump in that trend, and the "fixed data" from East Anglia are another pack of lies that have built this huge hoax into a religion. I would also say "go do your own research", except that the general public are not capable of understanding the esoteric disciplines of climate, geology, biology, and so forth, and it has been this lack of sophistication that agenda driven individuals have preyed upon to create an AGW frenzy. The motives for perpetrating this hoax are debatable, I have my theories on that, but as more fraudulent activity is exposed, and more accurate data is properly interpreted, the true causes for climate change are being pinned down, and AGW is becoming just insignificant noise. Well, you’re wrong on most counts, IF you’re blaming any climate change on mankind. The Arctic ice cap may be reducing, but the Antarctic cap is increasing. Honey bees (not all bees, and certainly not all pollinators) are decreasing due to trachial mites and other organic reasons, not temperature changes. Greenland has had broad fluctuations in it’s ice coverage, and what may have been happening recently is historically not unusual. The climate ALWAYS changes, there never has been a static climate, and NOBODY in their right mind can state with certainty what the ideal global temperature is. ALL of man’s cumulative contributions to the climate have less than a 5% influence, more like 1%. The data that YOU have been swallowing as proof of warming has been cooked, exaggerated, and often incorrectly interpreted. The models used to predict climate change have failed miserably to predict 10 years into the future, let alone 100 years. The effects of CO2 toward warming decrease logarithmically with higher concentrations until it no longer has added effect past a certain concentration. There have been times in Earth’s past when CO2 concentrations were 10 times what they are now, and the planet didn’t spin off in flames. Most models are unevenly skewed because of intentionally greater inclusion of contributing factors, and omission of mitigating factors. Both sides of the debate do this, but the global warming econazis like Al Gore refuse to debate their data and conclusions with the other side. Why is that? Could it be, as we are beginning to rapidly find out, that the data, graphs, pictures, and films they’ve used to jamb AGW down our throats is all a pack of lies? Several days ago Al Gore claimed that rocks that are millions of degrees hot are only two kilometers down. Stupendously wrong on both counts, yet how many morons in this world think he is some sort of scientific oracle?

It’s far more complicated than you, or I, or even the most brilliant scientists can begin to comprehend, whether they want to admit it or not. But the known actual causes for climate change such as solar activity, ocean currents, and the totality of effects of the non-anthropic biosphere, completely dwarf man’s contribution. The sea levels are rising, but they’ve been rising for 10,000 years, and it is a statistical lie to claim that there has been a sudden bump in that trend, and the “fixed data” from East Anglia are another pack of lies that have built this huge hoax into a religion.

I would also say “go do your own research”, except that the general public are not capable of understanding the esoteric disciplines of climate, geology, biology, and so forth, and it has been this lack of sophistication that agenda driven individuals have preyed upon to create an AGW frenzy.

The motives for perpetrating this hoax are debatable, I have my theories on that, but as more fraudulent activity is exposed, and more accurate data is properly interpreted, the true causes for climate change are being pinned down, and AGW is becoming just insignificant noise.

]]> By: mountainaires http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280940 mountainaires Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:25:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280940 Oh, ferchrissakes. There IS climate change. We are in a process of changing environmental effects, from melting polar ice caps--Greenland--to massive disappearance of bees--which affects everything. Stop drinking the kool-aid, whether it's from Obama/Pelosi or Hannity/Beck. You are a prime target for propaganda if you're getting your information from anyone else; do your own research. Decide for yourself. What Is Totalitarianism? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24073.htm Oh, ferchrissakes. There IS climate change. We are in a process of changing environmental effects, from melting polar ice caps–Greenland–to massive disappearance of bees–which affects everything. Stop drinking the kool-aid, whether it’s from Obama/Pelosi or Hannity/Beck.

You are a prime target for propaganda if you’re getting your information from anyone else; do your own research. Decide for yourself.

What Is Totalitarianism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24073.htm

]]> By: Lou Filliger http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280920 Lou Filliger Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:18:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280920 If we do decide to start over I'd like to have them begin research on the most massive available piece of wood known to science, that is, Keith Olbermann's head, and see whether his rings have grown any faster during Democratic administrations. If we do decide to start over I’d like to have them begin research on the most massive available piece of wood known to science, that is, Keith Olbermann’s head, and see whether his rings have grown any faster during Democratic administrations.

]]> By: Lou Filliger http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280919 Lou Filliger Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:16:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280919 Sooner or later, the liberal community, or more precisely the naive people who bought the AGW hoax hook like and sinker, liberals and some extremely dumb fringe conservatives alike, will realize that we owe GWB an apology for being right all along by ignoring the IPCC nonsense. Sooner or later, the liberal community, or more precisely the naive people who bought the AGW hoax hook like and sinker, liberals and some extremely dumb fringe conservatives alike, will realize that we owe GWB an apology for being right all along by ignoring the IPCC nonsense.

]]> By: Very closed http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280868 Very closed Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:34:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280868 Docelder-- I hope you saw my response to you up the thread and check out that link. Why would Jones have this IPCC topic in his email? What is his concern with a geopolitical agenda? Yes, there are some true believers in CC--probably the average citizen. On the other hand, this seems much bigger than the election of Obama but that played very well into his securing the presidency. I think you were here at the time too--but do you remember the Ayers blog with the quote "the end of an empire is messy...."? Check out social justice and Obama/Ayers. There are too many parallels between this email (see above link) and Obama's own words all through the campaign. We need to all wake up--our nation is giving away its sovereignty. Docelder–
I hope you saw my response to you up the thread and check out that link. Why would Jones have this IPCC topic in his email? What is his concern with a geopolitical agenda?

Yes, there are some true believers in CC–probably the average citizen. On the other hand, this seems much bigger than the election of Obama but that played very well into his securing the presidency.

I think you were here at the time too–but do you remember the Ayers blog with the quote “the end of an empire is messy….”? Check out social justice and Obama/Ayers.

There are too many parallels between this email (see above link) and Obama’s own words all through the campaign.

We need to all wake up–our nation is giving away its sovereignty.

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280859 Docelder Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:35:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280859 There are hose who believe in this not because of the warming but because of the social justice aspects of it. But just as the environmentalists have been co-opted so too the Utopians have been co-opted along with the intellectual elites. I still believe from the top down this is about money and control. The concept of forcing their ideas on the rest of the world of how things "should be" is driving this. The problem is, the agenda is being controlled by those whose intentions aren't pure. I think the scientists are just caught up in this out of idealism... that and the concept that "by any means" justifies the end result. They are wrong... totalitarianism of thought is no better than any other totalitarianism. The scientists would see the truth as soon as they were successful and things don't work out as they thought. The lesson of Obama being elected should have woke them up by now... things aren't working out there either. But then again street smart people always can run circles around book smart people... anywhere at anytime off a university campus. There are hose who believe in this not because of the warming but because of the social justice aspects of it. But just as the environmentalists have been co-opted so too the Utopians have been co-opted along with the intellectual elites. I still believe from the top down this is about money and control. The concept of forcing their ideas on the rest of the world of how things “should be” is driving this. The problem is, the agenda is being controlled by those whose intentions aren’t pure. I think the scientists are just caught up in this out of idealism… that and the concept that “by any means” justifies the end result. They are wrong… totalitarianism of thought is no better than any other totalitarianism. The scientists would see the truth as soon as they were successful and things don’t work out as they thought. The lesson of Obama being elected should have woke them up by now… things aren’t working out there either. But then again street smart people always can run circles around book smart people… anywhere at anytime off a university campus.

]]> By: Jon S http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280847 Jon S Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:08:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280847 This is just the tip of the "ice berg" now other climategates are surfacing. It turns out scientist in New Zealnd and Austrialia have also been "fudging" the numbers. WTF?? This has been such a organized global scam!!! http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/climategate_making_new_zealand_warmer/ http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_global_warming_conspiracy_the_trashy_australian_data/ This is just the tip of the “ice berg” now other climategates are surfacing. It turns out scientist in New Zealnd and Austrialia have also been “fudging” the numbers. WTF?? This has been such a organized global scam!!!

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/climategate_making_new_zealand_warmer/

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_global_warming_conspiracy_the_trashy_australian_data/

]]> By: Very close http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280829 Very close Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:26:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280829 PS--and why is the IPCC concerned about leveling the worlds income for equitable "redistribution"? (Changing the global median income.) Cap and trade is one such maneuver--it will be very costly to heat our homes and transport ourselves. EVERYONE will pay higher utility and gas bills in the US under the guise of cleaning up the environment. CCX in Chicago is already set up for carbon trading. Al Gore stands to make hefty profits too. Oh, and what if there's been this grand plan in place for a decade and all of a sudden the earth fails to cooperate and starts going into a cooling period once all the dominos have been put in place? What is your only defense if somehow your email and data becomes known and threatens to destroy a plan already well on its way to fruition? Deny. Besmirch the skeptics. Continue on as if unaffected. I wonder how many gems are yet to be revealed among these emails that were already the subject of numerous FOI requests that were ignored? PS–and why is the IPCC concerned about leveling the worlds income for equitable “redistribution”? (Changing the global median income.)

Cap and trade is one such maneuver–it will be very costly to heat our homes and transport ourselves. EVERYONE will pay higher utility and gas bills in the US under the guise of cleaning up the environment. CCX in Chicago is already set up for carbon trading. Al Gore stands to make hefty profits too.

Oh, and what if there’s been this grand plan in place for a decade and all of a sudden the earth fails to cooperate and starts going into a cooling period once all the dominos have been put in place? What is your only defense if somehow your email and data becomes known and threatens to destroy a plan already well on its way to fruition? Deny. Besmirch the skeptics. Continue on as if unaffected.

I wonder how many gems are yet to be revealed among these emails that were already the subject of numerous FOI requests that were ignored?

]]> By: Very close http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/36818/potus-tree-rings/#comment-1280828 Very close Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:18:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=36818#comment-1280828 What if this is all just a utopian idea of "social justice"? Division of the world into regions? Each region being more or less self-sufficient? Oil rich regions using their own oil? Hi-tech, hi-income regions finding alternative energies? Transferring of wealth from hi-income nations to developing nations? Why is it ok for foreign nations to use more pollutants than we do if this is really just about cleaning up the earth? Why would the IPCC be concerned about people becoming less concerned with materialism and use their time to become more community involved? From the purloined email was a very ominous email----please read and ask yourself what this means in the grand scheme of things. (And why is the CRU privy to this geopolitical agenda?) http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=54&filename=889554019.txt What if this is all just a utopian idea of “social justice”?

Division of the world into regions?
Each region being more or less self-sufficient?
Oil rich regions using their own oil?
Hi-tech, hi-income regions finding alternative energies?
Transferring of wealth from hi-income nations to developing nations?
Why is it ok for foreign nations to use more pollutants than we do if this is really just about cleaning up the earth?
Why would the IPCC be concerned about people becoming less concerned with materialism and use their time to become more community involved?

From the purloined email was a very ominous email—-please read and ask yourself what this means in the grand scheme of things. (And why is the CRU privy to this geopolitical agenda?)

http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=54&filename=889554019.txt

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