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NY Times Refuses To Print McCain’s Op-Ed While Analysts Downgrade Them

By Uppity Woman on July 21, 2008 at 9:22 PM in Afghanistan, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Iraq, John McCain, New York Times

The McCain Campaign Says NY Times Refused to Print his Op-Ed Response to Barack Obama. Apparently, John McCain didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear so they decided not to print his response. In other words, Mr. McCain is to provide a timetable for leaving Iraq, no matter what—or else.

Having finally admitted publicly that they truly believe they should be running the country and telling candidates what their plans and opinions should be, the Times had this to say after sending John McCain to the Principal’s Office:

“I’d be very eager to publish the senator on the op-ed page. However, I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written. I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft. Let me suggest an approach,” Times op-ed editor David Shipley wrote the campaign via an e-mail later distributed by McCain’s team.

“It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, timetables and measures for compelling the Iraqis to cooperate. And it would need to describe the Senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan,” Shipley wrote.

Well that’s terrific of you, Mr. Shipley, but I kind of prefer to make my own decisions about candidates, if you don’t mind.

Do you have any idea how pompous your remarks look? I would like to think that nobody needs to break the “news” to you that you are in the business of covering the news not dictating candidate platforms, governing America and picking presidents. Truly sir, we already know that the only reason you are endorsing Barack Obama is Karl Marx isn’t available. John McCain isn’t your 10th Grade English student, he’s a candidate for the President of the United States and you are a guy who buys ink by the barrels–which somehow makes you imagine you should dictate American Foreign Policy.

The McCain Campaign had a few things to say about this attempt at controlling their opinions, also known as “Write what I say or get lost”:

McCain campaign Communications Director Jill Hazelbaker said the two candidates “have very different world views” about Iraq and the campaign wanted an opportunity to state its candidate’s view.

“We have elections in this country, not coronations and it’s unfortunate that The New York Times wouldn’t allow their readers to hear from John McCain and make their own judgment,” Hazelbaker told FOX News.

In the meantime, the July 10 share price of New York Times Company touched its lowest point in a decade.

The share price of the New York Times Company touched its lowest point in more than a decade yesterday after an analyst cut his price target and predicted shares will weaken over time. The stock lost 96 cents, or 6.4%, to $14.10 in late-afternoon trading. Earlier in the day, shares touched a low of $13.91, their lowest level since September 1997. (Via HuffPost/AP)

One would think that if the New York Times Company’s shares are tanking, it would be kind of arrogant to imagine anyone with a brain wants them telling candidates what their platforms should consist of, much less telling them how they should plan to govern America.

There’s an old saying that you can’t argue with the people who buy ink by the barrels. Apparently you can. You can stop reading their product and watch their stock land in the crapper.

http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

You have done it again Uppity Woman…When I saw this at LGF via Drudge I couldn’t believe how arrogant the times had become….perfect match for Obama…we can watch them go down together now.

Dawnelle

:-[

I hope I’m wrong but
(ok I just saw a bit of Jon Stewart)

it’s worse than we think
THIS blog and a few more like it are like a pearl necklace chain of islands in a DEEP SEA of BHO CHANGE

it’s too late
I’m afraid it’s just too late

He’s been bought and paid for by the American & foreign Elite

the kids have hopey on their lips
and change on their MINDS

the blacks and half the DEMS are gonna roll right over that ledge singing WE ARE the WORLD (ala Michael J) and Mr. Stinky is “POOF” the new Planet Earth Master Blaster!

sigh – please don’t tell me Mad Max forgives him for what he did? that will bring me to tears!

memyself&i

I know how you feel. Many in the mainstream media are working very hard to make it appear as if it is inevitable that Obama will become president. It is not a sure thing until after the votes are counted, and even then….well you know what happened in the primaries.

No matter what the media says, even if they say Obama leads McCain by 99% to 1%, I will still drag myself to a voting booth to vote Nobama.
http://tinyurl.com/53yul8 doctorate

http://formerobamasupporters.com/
B from Bloomington

Nonsense. That’s just what the media wants you to think. Did you go to the the piece Tom Abrahams did yesterday on what the polls look like? Well, it didn’t look good at first glance, but follow the links and you will see that the numbers don’t add up. The race is indeed virtually tied. Right now, there are many swing states in play, and dems think they can pocket several states they cannot win.

Just an observation, but when it’s reported that Obama’s numbers are falling, the polls immediately raise his numbers instead of lowering them. Also, they are not taking into account all the repubs that voted for Clinton, but will now be following their own party, and of course, they are not counting PUMAs.

Went to one polling site and they actually said that PUMAs are a bunch of “crazies” and count as a liability for McCain. And went on to say that we are called with a “dog whistle,” so don’t be fooled. The polls are putting PUMAs in the bo column, won’t they be surprised in November?
B from Bloomington

Don’t buy it… FIGHT IT WITH YOUR VOTE!

They want to make it look like a done deal so we will fall in line (thinking that that’s the only way our vote will count), or stay home (thinking why bother).

But it’s very important that no matter how you feel, when the time comes, get out there and give your vote to anyone but the stinky one.

Elizabeth Reilly

Back when Bill Keller took it upon himself to withhold information about the warrantless wire tapping, I wrote him an email calling him on his interference with process and cancelling my subscription. I suggested that his actions might be used in future journalism classes about what bad journalism is. I received an email back from him justifying (unsuccessful) the stand of the Times.

“All the news that’s fit to print” apparently only applies if it’s positive about Obama.

We are seeing the self-imolation of what was once a great newspaper. They are in danger of becoming another “Pravda”! Look at the bright side…think of all the trees we’re going to save!

BernieO

All of us who feel strongly about this need to do more than complain to each other. Each of us needs to complain directly to the Times. The media responds to a deluge of complaints. It will be particularly effective if, when we email, we make it clear that we are not Republicans and that we want to see balanced coverage of both candidates.
One comment that the Times made was that the info in McCain’s piece was not new. Typical of the media, they completely lose sight of the needs of the public. How many non-Republicans have been closely following McCain until now? I, like many, have been too busy with the Dem primaries to look closely at his positions and would have liked to read his piece.

public@nytimes.com
bemused

This topic made me get down an old book, All the News That Fits,Herman H. Dinsmore, (1969). From the cover liner:

The New York Times today is deliberately pitched to the so-called liberal point of view…This is not the result of occasional excessess within the framework of objective journalism…but rather of systematic distortion of the news as a matter of official Times policy.
…It is inconceivable that Fidel Castro could have come to power, had it not been for The Times’ grotesque portrayal of him, beginning in 1957, as an anti-Communist, a Robin Hood, even as the Abraham Lincoln of his country.

And on and on–the Korean War, the Viet Nam War–now Obama. No surprise. All part of the plan, whatever it is.

KsGirl

The NY Times is a disgrace to our country. The American people, New Yorkers, Kansans and all over our great nation deserve better than what they have to offer which is a one-sided freak show.

The Obama Freak Show starring Donna, Nancy, Howard the Coward and Me-chelle the most misunderstood elite woman in our country.

The NY Times can dry up and go to hell for all I care.

Ta-ta….

s. hall

ks girl — there are so many disgraces I don’t know where to begin. Years from now when history is written. Someone will ask how is it so many normal intelligent people fell for this empty suit with no resume? Nancy Pelosi — who is at 14% approval has nothing better to do than castigate the Clinton Democrats. One would think she should be considering the American people with the price of oil so high — allowing the bill which would raise our current levels and cut prices to come to the floor for a vote. It seems that the party of the people has become of special interests. Nah couldn’t be. However, with all that on her plate the only problem Nancy has is Unity in a party which is totally split. Pelosi you are clueless althought we are honored to hold such a large place in your psyche.
J.J.

The New York Times performed a public service by rejecting McCain’s Op-Ed. The story got much more positive coverage for McCain than his Op-Ed would have.

William

This is just stunning. Republican Presidential candidate John McCain is treated as if he is a graduate student trying to get his first magazine article published. “Gosh, John, we really would like to run something by you; but you’re going to have to make some changes. Tighten up your prose; state your conclusions in your subject paragraph, give us some exciting imagery that our readers can relate to. Then get back to us, okay?”

The fact that McCain has at least a 40% chance of being the most powerful person in the world; and that he has an absolute right, nay, duty, to tell us his ideas exactly as he has them, is obviously not the way the Times sees it. This has to go down as perhaps the most momentous piece of New Age journalistic sanctimony ever seen. Besides that, it is an absolute affront to the American voter, who doesn’t give a damn about the Times, except as it is supposed to provide information to them. “All the news that we think is appropriately styled the way Obama does it,” is now the new masthead.

d2d

William – I am so glad to see you post here. I’ve genuinely missed your thoughtful prose and insight you readily shared at TM.

It’s really nice to see your thoughts again.
Nancy Pelosi

Hey William. Will you be a guest writer here sometimes?

Ted

All newspapers have criteria they use to determine which submissions to publish in their op-ed section. Once McCain’s piece meets those criteria, it will be published.

If one takes the time to read the Time’s response, it is crystal clear they are not suggesting platform content but rather article content.

I suppose the NYT is part of the Obama conspiracy, even though they endorsed Clinton and McCain in the primaries…

http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

You have to be kidding, right?
KsGirl

Ted a/k/a ObamaboTed,

You can go to hell too…

There’s plenty of room for all of you…
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

Oh horsecrap. Since when is “criteria” a dictatorial demand that you include something you are against and refuse to put on your platform.

Cut the crap.

Ted

When a newspaper enforces the line between political attacks by candidates and guest editorials. That’s when. If this were not done, a candidate could get a piece in the op-ed section every day, parroting the campaign line. They can do that, but they have to pay for the space.

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

What part of this are you having a hard time understanding? Mr. Shipley is not running for office and has no right to dictate what McCain wants to say about his own plan. Nor is he obligated to “mirror” Mr. Obama, whom he disagrees with. And he CERTAINLY is not obligated to give Mr. Shipley a “Timetable”. John McCain is entitled to a rebuttal to an Op Ed. In normal places this is a Given. But then again, this is the NY Times.

“It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, timetables and measures for compelling the Iraqis to cooperate. And it would need to describe the Senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan,” Shipley wrote.

Ted

Kate Philips of the NYT says this:

“(In full disclosure, I worked as the deputy Op-Ed editor under Mr. Shipley during the mid-to-latter part of 2004, and it was policy then not to publish direct responses to Op-Ed columns already in print. Very rarely would a direct counterpoint to an Op-Ed be published; more often the response would be directed to Letters to the Editor. But dueling candidate Op-Eds sometimes rise to a different level, when they go beyond back-and-forth or standard talking points that everyone is familiar with.”

Which is what I said. A mere rebuttal does not meet the standard criteria. To be considered, a piece must lay out new information. Had McCain published first, Obama would have to meet the same criteria. That’s just life in the news print biz. Clearly a word apart from the blogosphere.

Ted

And I think you are misinterpreting the term “mirror”. He is saying the format should mirror Obama’s piece, ie include new information on policy. Clearly he is not saying the policy itself should mirror Obama’s.

JozefAL

Ted, try READING before posting your latest Obamapoint.
From the fucking article:

“It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, timetables and measures for compelling the Iraqis to cooperate. And it would need to describe the Senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan,” Shipley wrote.

Now, look at the bolded section. Do you not see the word TIMETABLES in there? THAT WAS SHIPLEY’S COMMENT. SHIPLEY demanded that “timetables” be included in MCCAIN’S plan (if McCain wants his plan on the Times’ Op/Ed page).
Now, go back to Obama’s people and report you failed.

Hope Floats

They told him they wouldn’t print his op-ed unless he offered a timetable. WTF?

Ted

No. This is just plain not true.

Ted

relative to troop withdrawal that is…

JB

Candidate “parroting” the campaign line?

Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

How can one “parrot” one’s own position?

interested party

Speaking of “parroting” we have this link from a Obama fan going through his routine:

http://www.lightupload.com/video/animals/2279/This-Parrot-Is-Crazy-About-Obama.html

basil

That human should be arrested for animal cruelty, not only for exposing the poor African gray to psychological torture and brainwashing but for mistreatment.

The poor thing has plucked out his breast feathers, a sign of boredom, inactivity and anxiety.

broke my heart. (I have parrots and none of them are pitiful straggly mangy birds).

If I knew where he lived I’d report him to ASPCA.

interested party

yes that is another angle; the parrot mimics the words of its master and no matter how much the master abuses the parrot, the bird keeps repeating his lines.

Ted

to parrot can mean to to repeat over and over, without change, like a parrot does.

WildChild

Parroting means to imitate or mimic. Repetition isn’t a component.

NOBama in August

I suppose the NYT is part of the Obama conspiracy, even though they endorsed Clinton and McCain in the primaries…

Well it obviously looks that way. That’s for stating it.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

well if we go by Nagourney and the other A section pieces as the base, the research paper I did, coded for expressive verb usage, the Times DID use gender biased terms in their coverage of the campaign in the window I examined.
The AP and Reuters Handbooks for Journalism warn the writer NOT to use expressive verbs and list them, Nagourney and the NYT writers submitting under his byline use them expansively and repeatedly in describing Sen Clinton but not the male candidates, in the pieces I coded.

Now they are turning their bias against the latest opposition to their endgame of Uhhbama crowning…..repeated pieces on McCains citizenship status and NOTHING on Uhhbamas failure to provide even a COB??

yep, in the tank. blinded by their own frame and refuse to see it…

On the stock prices tanking as they make themselves even more irrelevant in an environment anathema to old school media, NYT, Tribune, same as GE, and TimeWarner, down down down: tsk tsk: karma chameleon dance now, W00T!!
Hope Floats

What a great job they did endorsing Clinton, too. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

fif

Ted, I DID read the entire response, and what part of dictating exactly what should be included in the McCain piece is not considered “content?” Go back to your vat of Kool Aid.

I’m a New Yorker, and I was an avid NY Times reader until February. After they endorsed Clinton, they went on a multi-month CDS jag that made it impossible to take the paper seriously. They lost all credibility continuing to print Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich & Bob Herbert’s relentless rants of Hillary hate. I could predict what was on the editorial page before I opened the paper. And the “news” copy wasn’t much better. Add to that the constant adoring photos of Obama on the front page, and I couldn’t even look at it anymore.

The Times is desperate to keep up with TV and the new media, so they have been increasingly sensationalizing the news. They sold out like the rest of the MSM.

Ted

It is about content. That is exactly my point. They are not telling McCain what to put in their platform, they are stating the content requirements for an op-ed piec in response to Obama’s.

NOBama in August

Of course it isn’t about content. I agree with your first conclusion that the NYT is part of the Obama conspiracy.
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

The New York Times has NO right to demand a timetable from a candidate who refuses to have a timetable.

Ted

True. with respect to troop withdrawal.

Here’s the thing. Obama’s piece spelled out his plan. If McCain wants to rebut, he needs to lay out his plan. That’s all it comes down to. Sad fact is, McCain has no plan. Just wait for an undefined “victory” to occur and then maybe leave, maybe not. Seems to me everyone should object to that.

But hey, maybe I have it wrong. Maybe you can articulate for me McCain’s plan for Iraq. Maybe I just missed it.

Part of this is triggered by the fact McCain made his 100 year comment. And his “it does not matter” comment as to how long the troops stay in Iraq. He has opened himself up for criticism, and has not really responded. Other than “I know how to win wars”.

Lou

McCain should lay out his Iraq plan? Oh so Obama the Mack Daddy can ~~steal~~ use it huh?

HARP

How many revisions did they ask obama for
s. hall

ted — what makes Obama a great writer — I read parts of his book Dreams of My Father and it sounds like it was written by a 13 year old. But the media loves the little fraud who shoots hoops. They spent 2 hours shooting him wearing a pair of sunglasses.

Ted

Silly question, but related to this thread, what made his piece eligible for print was the fact he spelled out his stance on Iraq, he did not just attack his opponent.

NOBama in August

what makes Obama a great writer — I read parts of his book Dreams of My Father and it sounds like it was written by a 13 year old

Great question. When you think about it, it is Obama’s maturity level so it does make sense his writings would be reflect that.
elise

Well, Ted. Have you seen what McCain wrote? Maybe McCain wants a little give and take, like a debate on the issues, instead of writing content according to NYT.
Lou

Oh he spelled out his ~~Lies~~ stance about Iraq. Gee, how’s he gonna backtrack on that one later?

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

Obama didn’t write it. he has people doing that for him. I kind of think that John McCain’s camp has a whole shitload more experience writing OP EDs than Barack Obama has.

Let’s get to the nitty gritty here. The Times wants to tell McCain what his platform is.

This is not tenth grade. The Teacher doesn’t grade people’s platforms. We VOTE on them in a general election.

flyingsongster

Obviously you are conditioned to accept the mind-rule of others, and have no desire to make decisions on your own. Clearly, you enjoy taking orders from others and dictating their plans, regardless of ethics. I recommend that you
try to reassert your self actualization, and personal growth by trying to develop your ability to reason for yourself.

AnnieO

To whom are you speaking to?
flyingsongster

I challenged the mind-set of Ted’s blind acceptance of the judgment of a biased newspaper…

PUMA

NOBama in August

Ted knows perfectly well the NYT was out of line. He’s just here to cause trouble. He needs his paycheck from Obama.

elise

Ted, why are you defending them? We all know you support Obama, but what does that mean in terms of the actions of the NYT? Do you really want to hear from only one cantidate? Next time it may be your cantidate shut out. Unless you always agree with the NYT, in which case, did you agree with Judith Miller and the Bush lies she told before the invasion of Iraq?

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

He’s defending them because they get a tingle up their leg for Barack Obama.

Cappy

Could you differentiate between platform content and article content? Don’t you think the requirement that McCain’s remarks “mirror” those of Obama is a bit controlling? If Obama is the one the Times designates to structure the dialog, perhaps they should prepare a questionnaire and just have McCain fill in the blanks.
Nancy Pelosi

Ted-Mack DaddyO’s pimp.

http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

I want to add…we learned in the primary that the media can not be trusted to put the truth out to its readers or viewers… they (NYT) proved their bias today… I hope it has the same effect on voters in the GE as it did the primary…Hello President McCain!

s. hall

30 year dem — its beginning to have the desired effect. Republicans are more anxious to go to the polls for McCain then had been thought possible a few months ago. There is nothing like getting people’s backs up to bring them to the polls.

John

Yes, there’s nothing like a little slapping from the biased media to motivate people.

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

The deja vu is simply astounding here. Barack Obama’s surrogates and sycophants will be his electoral demise.

flyingsongster

What you are saying is that we have lost a lot of our freedoms. As I watch
Obama’s candidacy whittling away, more of our personal freedoms each day, I cannot help but wonder how anyone could vote for him, or for that matter
have faith in the biased system which has supported his overthrow of democracy.

ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

I think it is time to launch a class action suit against the 3 mainstream networks regarding them being an adjunct of the obama campaign team. perhaps a figure of 30 BILLION DOLLARS PER NETWORK ! to fund equal coverage of Mcain! there are laws on the books that MANDATE EQUAL TIME FOR EACH MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE!They have each given OBAMA AT least 5-10 BILLION DOLLARS OF FREE CHOREOGRAPHED ADVERTISING for Obama! CLEARLY BREAKING THE LAW ! regarding equal time statutes! if Mcain had to purchase an equal amount of coverage on PRIME TIME NEWS HOURS it would cost AT LEAST 10 BILLION DOLLARS! This OUTRAGIOUS ADVOCACY COVERAGE WHICH HAS DONE IN HILLARY CLINTON , AND NOW TARGETS MCAIN HAS TO BE PUNISHED FORCEFULLY! Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee with out this extreme bias! they are all acting like PRAVDA COVERING BREZHNEV IN SOVIET TIMES THE WAY THEY “COVER” Obama’s campaign!

LET’S SUE THEIR ASSES OFF! NOW!

fif

Is this true, because there was a post here recently of a graph done by an independent media watch dog agency that clearly showed the overwhelming positive coverage of Obama vs. any other candidate. Check the archives–it was recent.

HARP

Yes, true

basil

When does the new FISA law go into effect? One of the statutes says that any show that presents one point of view can be sued by those with opposing views if they’re not offered equal coverage.

I heard about it mostly with respect to talk radio but wouldn’t it also apply to MSM?

Seriously.
Annie Oakley

G.E., “We bring good things to life,” is the 7th largest commercial bank in the country, in health “care,” in the media, and a defense contractor. They supported Bush, the war in Iraq, and now Obama. Lots of our tax dollars are going down all the holes mentioned above.

Today Jeffry Immelt was on his network announcing a new fund created between GE and Abu Dhabi. They’re investing in things like clean energy – which we can’t afford to help America invest in, just as we can’t afford health care. He mentioned an interest in Africa, which must be the new frontier for the ruling class. The International President will come in handy for this new venture.

ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

I think it is time to launch a class action suit against the 3 mainstream networks regarding them being an adjunct of the obama campaign team. perhaps a figure of 30 BILLION DOLLARS PER NETWORK ! to fund equal coverage of Mcain! there are laws on the books that MANDATE EQUAL TIME FOR EACH MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE!They have each given OBAMA AT least 5-10 BILLION DOLLARS OF FREE CHOREOGRAPHED ADVERTISING for Obama! CLEARLY BREAKING THE LAW ! regarding equal time statutes! if Mcain had to purchase an equal amount of coverage on PRIME TIME NEWS HOURS it would cost AT LEAST 10 BILLION DOLLARS! This OUTRAGIOUS ADVOCACY COVERAGE WHICH HAS DONE IN HILLARY CLINTON , AND NOW TARGETS MCAIN HAS TO BE PUNISHED FORCEFULLY! Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee with out this extreme bias! they are all acting like PRAVDA COVERING BREZHNEV IN SOVIET TIMES THE WAY THEY “COVER” Obama’s campaign!

LET’S SUE THEIR ASSES OFF! NOW! HILLARY ’08!!

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

See? You’re so upset your keyboard is stuttering!

lol.

Jow Tuit

Mmmm… What’s next to be expected from Nuts Yet-again Times?
HARP

The old gray lady has turned black.

Andrew

The Gray Lady is senile and her black nanny is stealing money from her purse to give to Obama.
Hope Floats

Nah, she turned red. Rolex Commies.

John

Boycott the biased media. Permanently.

AnnieO

It would be more effective to boycott each channel’s biggest sponsors.

ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

By the way,WHO is barak obama? Where was he born? How many dual citizenships does he have? does he even HAVE a U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE?? THE MSM is trying to stuff this pretender to the throne down our throat like we are gooses ready for pate!

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

The truth is, Obama is the Son of God and he can’t produce a birth certificate because it would blow his cover.

AnnieO

lol. Now you’ve let the cat out of the bag.
flyingsongster

Obama and his minions have declared war on democracy. Hillary was the first victim. If he manages to get the nomination, McCain May be the next.
We may be to be forced to accept him whether we want to or not.
This is not an election it is a coronation.

One cannot help but wonder, who really owns America, with the likes of
Obama being force fed to the public

s. hall

ally — all I know about Obama is that he wears nice sunglasses. They used to be known as the news media but I guess news is not whats happening. This country is going into a Depression and they push this amateur 24/7 they all suck except Fox.
Northwest rain

I have conservative Republican friends who have sent me email for years —

So lately I’ve been sending information and links about BOBO’s phony birth certificate — and I’ve asked my friends to send my email to their friends — and so on and so on. I am so glad I never shut down that information flow from my friends — because now we are on the same page — we see BOBO as a national Security threat and just plain evil.

I think my conservative friends would love to know about this latest garbage from the NYT.

PUMA
Heather

Not just that, don’t forget PASSPORT-GATE. Remember that passport files were breached and everyone jumped on Hillary, but it turned out to be … employees of a company owned by a campaign official of OBAMA. Hm … what would a passport have on it that Obama wouldnt’ want us to see?

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

I thought of that too. Many times since the birth certificate questions came up.

He was indignant and at the time I thought, whomever rifled those files was only interested in the information of ONE of the candidates but made it look like they cruised all three.

Then we find out that the people who did it are tied to Obama’s paid consultant.

candymarl

It’s the Corporate Media at work. The same Corporate owned Media the so-called left/progressives claimed to despise all of these years.

Now that they support Obama, Corporate media millionaire and billionaire support is okay.

Just like FISA. As soon as Obama voted for it the bill wasn’t so bad.

I suspect Obama could vote for anything at this point. It’s okay because Obama is The One that will bring world peace.

This kind of adoration is normally reserved for religious leaders. Heck, even Gandhi and MLK had their critics.

I support candidates. But I don’t look to them for world peace or personal salvation.

Andrew

Obama was caught meeting with all those “evil” industrial tycoons too. He says one thing, does another, and then says you were mistaken about what he said.

Nancy Pelosi

I hate that about Obama the Mack Daddy. Despise it. And he is beginning to get in trouble for this behavior. Foreign leaders are beginning to complain about this maneuvering that Mack Daddy does.

He says one thing, does another, and then says you were mistaken about what he said.

VMorris

I don’t know where to post this and it is off this topic, but Taylor Marsh just posted a blog entry that throws Hillary Clinton under the bus so they can diss PUMA.

And if anyone tries to point out the hipocrisy of Taylor Marsh…it’s “buh Byeeeee!!!”

Northwest rain

Taylor Marsh is a nut case — ignore her.

She will soon pass into oblivion — and be ignored. She made her bed . . .

Obama is evil and a crooked Chicago politician — if she hasn’t scrubbed her website — at one time she did an adequate job of focusing on just who Obama is. I do thank her for that — but her flip flop means that anything she says from here on out is questionable.

Patti

Taylor Marsh is a “distraction”. I only met her for about 20 minutes back in April.

I miss Reverend Wright and his teachings. Its been a long time since I’ve had a bird’s eye view on the status of America and our policymakers.

Your boy is doing a phenomenal JOb.

Nancy Pelosi

Taylor Marsh was in the tank for Mack DaddyO but pretended she was for Clinton. She banned me for using his middle name way before the primaries ended. She didn’t allow us to say his middle name Hussein. She’s crazy. Barry Mohammed Hussein Dunham-Soetoro-Obama..there-I said it.

memyself&i

Mr. Shipley,

I’d be very eager to read your news pages. However, I’m not going to be able to accept this piece of crap currently written. I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft. Let me suggest an approach. It would be terrific to have news reports that are unbiased that does not mirror Senator Obama’s talking points. To that end, the paper would have to articulate, in unbiased terms, the facts. It would also have to lay out facts about Obama’s multiple positions on Iraq, including his opposition to the surge and its funding, and his present reckless and arrogant interference in sensitive US negotiations with the Iraqi government for political gain. And it would need to describe the Senator’s Afghanistan strategy of doing nothing as Chair of the European Affairs Subcommittee to increase NATO participation or otherwise improve the situation in Afghanistan, spelling how it meshes with his recent call for more troops in Afghanistan.

PS, in the meantime, I will be using your paper to line the bird cage.

http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members gerard nedich

heh heh…

i say we start a campaign to send your letter to them….

a few thousand letters might do the trick…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Lou

I’m game. PUMA.

katmandu

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080721/pl_politico/11935

Before I comment on the NYT piece, I wanted to note that the foolish Obama directive to not wear green is now on the front page of Yahoo News. I wonder if there’s a mole within the Obama group that suggested this?

RE: The NYT piece.

On the one hand, I have no problem with newspapers rejecting op-eds for content reasons, and I know biggies have had their op-eds rejected before.

Second, in my experience as a ghostwriter of op-eds (including one at the NYT) the op-ed desk will work with you if they deem the piece of importance. I don’t know how much give and take there was here. Maybe McCain was stubborn. It does sound like the NYT people wanted McCain to commit to a timeline, and that just reeks of bias.

But finally, the Times is not being even handed here, because I thought Obama’s piece lacked specifics and was in general a hot steaming pile of non-cerebral excrement. The timeline argument is such a hoax, as I and many others have written on extensively. The timeline is a campaign slogan, nothing more.

s. hall

katmandu — The New York Times rejected McCain’s oped to show him that Obama was more experienced than he was. It was nothing more than a slap in the face at experience. No matter how you slice it The New York Times is in the can with Obama. Those who tinkle together — suffer great losses together.
ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

he is totally clueless –

the green issue–

this is how he would govern by memos fed to him by cmtes SO ENORMOUS that they are completely ineffective and make bad, embarrassing, nonsensical, overly thought out, yet completely missing the forest for the trees decisions……

welcome to the era of REALLY STUPID SUPER BIG GOVERNMENT!
workingclass artist

Katmandu thanks for linking the Obama color story….needed a good chuckle this morning. The end quote was PRICELESS…..chuckle. Uppity once again your criticism is astutely and humorously expressed with great style. You really should replace ( fill in the blank_________ ) any one of dozens of self styled humorists/op-ed columnists at many MSM machines…..Hmmmm…..Maureen O’Gagme for one. Keep up the good work. Fascism often creates reactionaries that are inspired to rise above and the world benefits as a result. ( Orwell for example ) Fight the good fight.

*** Ted before you attempt to pull your head out of your ass….You might want to consult a doctor as it sounds like you have become quite muddled and fresh air might be too shocking….chuckle….***

http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members gerard nedich

i’ll publish Mccain’s stuff on my website…

seriously though, what the fuck has the world turned into?

guidelines are all well and good when morons like you and i write letters to the editor…

but when a senator… a presidential candidate writes a response to Baracktrack’s piece you just publish it as it is…

i think Mccain deserves the chance to tell us what he thinks…. i think we deserve to read Mccain’s response…

i can not believe that the times has sunk so low as this…

shocking…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Patti

gerard, this crowd, I hate to call people zOmBies, but they can’t digest words forming a sentence or thought,

We need organizational charts.

1. Media stakeholders
2. Bonothing’s circle of influence
3. Uncommitted* Super Delegates by State

*not really.

We need to put a picture out there whereby “folks” can spend 5 minutes to put it all together just bylooking at the chart.

Copy. Paste. Print. Handout.

How do we e-idjits get to your site? nL

not Laughing

America First
And Foremost

audacity

if i remember correctly, the NYT logo was

ALL THE NEWS THAT FIT THE PRINT

reader: ALL ??????????????

NYT: ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reader: ?:(

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

all the sxxt theyre paid to print

asimon

Journalism is dead, freedom speech and freedom of expression are assaulted and primaries are rigged. This is not just an election, it’s about liberty.

Lou

Hillary talks about her having to asnwer first in the debates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-bBAPjTxY

AnnieO

Dick Morris said on H&C tonight that the American people “should make no mistake about it” that Obama is a socialist.

d2d

before the end of the primary, I could have sworn Dick was pro obama.

WTF?

asimon

No he just hates the Clintons.

Patti

I missed it – who is going to have the courage to call him a traitor and back it up with our Constitution?

Fox Rocks right now. But, if they are withholding pertinent knowledge / crucial information to serve their intere$t, then they are simply unethical and should be called on it. Heads should roll, how medieval? Wich reminds me,

Saw the Pope and his harem today. Nothing materialistic about that convention. I love! that shade of fuscia.
Back to the Luvfest, the gorgeous, prayerful, you know the drill…
I have a feeling they all spend more time conferring with their attornies than scripting and delivering the real news/ pertinent information concerning our welfare.

This too, shall pass.
I hope with “congressional” hah! lmao hearings.

I hope that P F is having a nice summer. He’s the best we have. These days. Is Justice still in play these days?

And ~~ TerdKennedy, I hope you, too, get a double rainbow- over the Chappaquiddic on your last day. Just in case anything happens, I want you to know how this last generation democrat since 18something a.d. feels about ya, bud.

Patti

Fancy that! The HC rerun with rat face who’s worth listening to These Days. ( no peeking, tho). They actually blanked out two parts already.

Was there an ad referenced?

Now I know its getting bad.

What were they blanking out via video/ audio?

imustprotest

It seems that the NYT is run by Nancy, Donna, and Dean. They’re telling Senator John McCain to fall in line and get over it.

Lou

Nancy nincumpoop Pooposi is critizing McCain big time. Isn’t that Obamas job?

VMorris

Hey, Larry–can you write an entry about how Taylor Marsh throws Hillary under the bus and squashes all dissent to increase traffic at Taylor Marsh at the expense of Hillary, claiming only to be dissing PUMA?

IMHO, no supporter of Hillary would allow the FAUX dollar bill.

It is obvious that there is no democracy left in the Democratic Party. It is all about electing a democrat, qualifications of the candidate and any kind of ethics need not apply.

Thanks, Larry, for allowing free speech here, even if it is not popular or even sounds like an idiot rant.

Patti

I get your drift, but, Larry, we should just let her fade away and not get Press on our dime and time.

She is the absolute proof that our delightful trolls are really on Patroll. (that’s latin for whom sneaks for the father) They are not as stupid as they appear. Whenever they pop up, you get a feeling they’ve have their talking points, (aka cut and paste), so to speak.

Let’s let tm float away. Trolls are okay, as they’re entertaining and insult provoking. Venting is a good thing. Mentioning that tm thing again is a bad thing. Bad Bye, tm.

No publicity for that
Lou

Let’s send Taylor a donation by snail mail. A few strips of toilet paper with dollar signs written on them.

katmandu

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/07/obama-tells-abc-if-he-had-to-d.html

Obama says if he had to do it again he’d still oppose the surge
Anne

I cancelled my 10 year old seven day a week subscription with them this evening. Told them exactly why. Ouch. They had no prepared response yet. Seemed rather surprised.

MrMike

Good for you, Anne, but what will you use to wrap fish?
John

Excellent!
Nader Rox

we similarly canceled back in march when i couldn’t trust their judgment or objectivity…i am still mourning the loss of the nyt in our house, but couldn’t stomach it any more…

imustprotest

Greta wire has the text of John McCains op-ed piece that was rejected. There is also a vote on whether or not the NYT is being bias toward Obama, McCain or not at all.

I skimmed the piece and it does seem that McCain goes point by point about why Obama’s strategy was wrong. He also discusses Obama’s non support of the surge. And he corrects the misinformation that Mailki endorsed Obama’s plan. There’s nothing wrong with what Sen. McCain said, it’s factual. He just offers a different opinion. But since the NYT is so bias toward Obama, it’s understandable (not excusable) why they didn’t print it.

gretawire.foxnews.com/ – 79k

imustprotest

If you can go to gretawire.foxnews.com in addtion to the McCain op ed, she has a vote: Do you think the NYT is being bias toward:

Obama
McCain
No one – fair to both

So far the votes show a HUGE percentage say that Obama is getting favored treatment.

It’s something like….over 14,000 votes say Obama is favored to like 125 that say McCain is favored….go vote!

Jackson Pearson

If EVER a treasonous rag should be pad locked, the New York Times deserves the honor. Dissing McCain is only a pimple on a camels ass compared to their being the eyes and ears for Al Qaeda. I honestly believe the New York Times UP S’s a free daily paper to Bin Laden’s cave!

Andrew

The New York Times is disgusting. They complain about Valerie Plame and then leak secret agents names. They print false sex stories about McCain, no apology. It is disgusting. I wouldn’t even let an animal pee on it. The corruption might rub off. Make sure you recycle.

Patti

Let’s publish every executive stockholder in every MSM outlet print and tube. Who own’s who and who are whom’s bosses. Relatives would be interesting.

I love lists and have a feeling they’ll come in handy. History is in the making as we blog.

As respects who owns who -
I know a little of this and a little of that and actually have an acute interest in putting it together. Nothing else matters right now. But a visual would be really cool because it’d be at a glance. Oh, I see.

I wish someone(s) who is/are up-to-date could put an organizational chart together (it would take at least 3 in this particular ca$e). I think that everyday people would be served greatly.

Words don’t matter at all in this fight for our life but as we’ve seen recently, pictures speak 1000 and distract to the max.

This a very informative site and could be so productive without the trolls. The silver lining is that we get to have recess. ROFLMAO is even better than LMAO, personally.

Thank you for bringing Evelyn Pringle’s work to the forefront. Staying on Top of Rezko and introducing us to the who did they know and what did they agree to do? Please keep ragging on the Media as best as you can. This is the key to suppression and then, oppression.

Let’s bust them. Yes We Can.
MrMike

It makes my heart sing to read that the NYT’s stock and circulation numbers are heading south.
These are the guys that brought you Judith Miller and her parroting of anything dick Cheney would say about Iraq as gospel. This is the paper that continually attacked AL Gore with lies in 1999 and 2000 ensuring the election of Bush.
I’m waiting for a 911 victim’s family or a family of a soldier killed in Iraq to sue them for everything they got because it was their reporting that helped get Bush in the White House and invade Iraq.

Patti

And our new Dicktaster.

Pink Panthers

I’ve read the NYT for years. No more.
Mr.Murder

BELGRADE, Serbia – Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, a war crimes fugitive and one of the world’s most wanted men, was arrested on Monday evening in a sweep by Serbian security forces, the country’s president said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_karadzic

The deciders may have the decision made for them already.

A general’s war crimes conviction , for targeting civilian buildings of historical nature, also establishes precedent.

Barack’s going to find his own mind made up on many items, he’ll have little choice. The Generals might actually end this war before the politicans do.

The politicans know what awaits also….
http://attyahoo Mike Pierce

I can not believe the audacity of a “liberal hack”
working at a paper like the New York Slime, Even
imagining he has the power to dictate to Sen.McCain.
Hey Shipley, your are a self-worshipping,pompous,ass
who is not fit to shine Sen.John McCains shoes.Have
you ever served your nation?Hell no you haven’t,you
don’t have what it takes to make it in the Girl Scouts, Much less a Marine or fighter pilot. You set
in your ivory tower & dare to make these statements
to the next President of the United States? That alone shows the pure stupidity of you & the slime staff.Look at, and i mean LOOK AT HARD(i imlore all)
these two men close, John McCain or Barrack Hussein Obama, compare their records, what has each man
accomplished in his life? The American people are
NOT AS STUPID as you think-straight sinners at the
slimes think. Go ahead and campaign for obama, But
i tell you this here & now, When the American people
go to the polls & vote, They will despite all of your lies & deceit, Overwhelmingly choose a experienced, wiser, WAR HERO/Former P.O.W. a man who
has proven leadership under conditions you maggots
could never fathom the Hon.John McCain!!! Not a lying south-side Chicago political “hack”, I will not go into his friendship with 70′s terrorist, the
Black Liberation movement, (liberate from who & what),Obamas child-like gullability in dealing with
terror supporting states, etc…..the list goes on.
How can you sleep Shipley?I think you & a lot of the
tax&spend Libs know in your hearts who the better man
is, But you will not admit it for anything, You all
are scared, That’s why your using more lies,deceit, &
trickery than you normally use daily. You are not a
journalist, You gave that title up when you sold-out.
You know, you do not report news fairly or un-biased.
One thing is for sure YOU & your paper are LOSERS!!!
sayitisntso

Ted,

“Attack” is a matter of interpretation. What says that McCain didn’t see Oblahblah’s piece as attack????

Pi** on the NYTimes!
lusitania

Up until a few months ago my husband and I had been loyal and daily NY Times newsreaders,of both the print version and www version. for 3 decades. I’d had NY Times.com as my computer home page since it’s inception. Over the past 5 months I began to notice that it’s coverage of the democratic primary was very very one sided, heavily biased towards Barry and their opinion pages seemed to be at times leaning toward mysogny.
About two months ago, I had had enought of it. I sent te editor an email letting him know that I was changing my home page and no longer would I buy the NY Times because of this bias. I wondered at the time if it was just “sour grapes” on my part. I’d always considered the NY Times rreporting to be above reproach.
Now I know for sure I did the right thing, that it wasn’t just in my imagination and I urge you ALL to send the editor of the Times a letter yourselves.

Nader Rox

we did the same…and it still makes us queasy that what we once saw as beacon of intelligent sanity in a world gone mad, was slipping into big brother sleaziness.

Babs

First of all, an op-ed piece is as its name implies, an opinion. When we see an editorial board dictating someone’s “opinion” to him, we are bearing witness to the death of a free press in America. I think it’s time for all the schools of journalism in this country to revisit their courses in ethics. Either students are cutting these classes or sleeping through them, as there is simply no standard of ethics evident anywhere in the media anymore. Shame on the NYT, they are the standard bearers for advocacy instead of honest, objective journalism.
sayitisntso

The big networks have been downgraded to scandal sheets by the stock market. I read it at either realclearpolitics.com; or a blog. TL? LGF? Corrent? I can’t recall.
http://attyahoo Mike Pierce

I can not believe the audacity of a “liberal hack”
working at a paper like the New York Slime, Even
imagining he has the power to dictate to Sen.McCain.
Hey Shipley, your are a self-worshipping,pompous,ass
who is not fit to shine Sen.John McCains shoes.Have
you ever served your nation?Hell no you haven’t,you
don’t have what it takes to make it in the Girl Scouts, Much less a Marine or fighter pilot. You set
in your ivory tower & dare to make these statements
to the next President of the United States? That alone shows the pure stupidity of you & the slime staff.Look at, and i mean LOOK AT HARD(i imlore all)
these two men close, John McCain or Barrack Hussein Obama, compare their records, what has each man
accomplished in his life? The American people are
NOT AS STUPID as you think-straight sinners at the
slimes think. Go ahead and campaign for obama, But
i tell you this here & now, When the American people
go to the polls & vote, They will despite all of your lies & deceit, Overwhelmingly choose a experienced, wiser, WAR HERO/Former P.O.W. a man who
has proven leadership under conditions you maggots
could never fathom the Hon.John McCain!!! Not a lying south-side Chicago political “hack”, I will not go into his friendship with 70′s terrorist, the
Black Liberation movement, (liberate from who & what),Obamas child-like gullability in dealing with
terror supporting states, etc…..the list goes on.
How can you sleep Shipley?I think you & a lot of the
tax&spend Libs know in your hearts who the better man
is, But you will not admit it for anything, You all
are scared, That’s why your using more lies,deceit, &
trickery than you normally use daily. You are not a
journalist, You gave that title up when you sold-out.
You know, you do not report news fairly or un-biased.
One thing is for sure YOU & your paper are LOSERS!!!
sayitisntso

The criticism of the network types on this trip of O’s is huge. This plus the NYT debacle is a betrayal of trust with viewers and readers.
J.J.

O.K. So we figured out today that the paper that ran the “adultry” story on McCain a few months ago is biased.

At least Olbermann is fair and balanced!!!
Babs

Wouldn’t it be great if all the small newspapers in America printed both of the op-ed pieces side by side tomorrow? Now that’s my vision of democracy.
BJ

WOW

Just wow, when you think it couldn’t get any scarier how brainwashed this country has become.

They all followed like sheep after 9/11 to Bush’s heel. He got away with MURDER and everything else. But naysayers were told to tread lightly or quietly (if at all).

With this much brainwashing and kool aide – drinking behavior, Obama will get away with ANYTHING in his (stolen) presidency.
imustprotest

Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his plan for Iraq. Perhaps thats because he doesnt want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, [see below about Major General Hammond ] recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be very dangerous.

The danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a comeback, as they have in the past when weve had too few troops in Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the Mission Accomplished banner prematurely.

It is clear from this exerpt of the McCain op-ed piece that NYT rejected that Obama’s lack of knowledge and experience is dangerous. McCain clearly has the expertise and that’s why the NYT didn’t want to print it.
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

Somebody had to say it Uppity, and I’m really glad it was YOU!

Did you say CENSORSHIP?

Because I think the NYT ought to unpack this little editorial pretty damn soon, for Americans and Europeans — we need all the back story on the religion we can get about now…

Here is an op-ed of theirs from 1992 on Black Demagogues…because after the New Yorker cover?

Well, it’s a pretty interesting belief system…that is all I can say — and Americans and Europeans need to see this, soon. So should Nancy Pelosi…

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/gates22.htm
Five Thirty

“I’d be very eager to publish the senator on the op-ed page. However, I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written. I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft. Let me suggest an approach,” Times op-ed editor David Shipley wrote…

Senator McCain, if you want to publish in the NY Times, you need to write something along the lines of:

“‘The time has come. The time has come. The time is now. Just go. … I don’t care how. You can go by foot. You can go by cow. Hillary R. Clinton, will you please go now! You can go on skates. You can go on skis. … You can go in an old blue shoe.

Just go, go, GO!’” – by Maureen Dowd in her op-ed piece “Wilting Over Waffles” Published: April 23, 2008.
UnDemocratic Party

Something strange is happening with the Democratic party AND the media.

In Michigan, nearly 1/2 million people signed a petition to reform government. So many bells, whistles and buzz words were added to the petition that it seemed universally acceptable (and I signed it myself). Contrary to appearances, an internal memo from Michigan Democratic insiders proposed this game plan to seize control over all three branches of government. (Exec, Legislative and judicial). (There was a very good reason why our founding fathers wanted checks and balances in the system–thereby they created the three branch system of government.)

Recall the decision of Michigan to move the primaries up which consequently reduced any chance that Hillary would be nominated by Michiganders as the Presidential candidate. The Michigan Democratic insiders largely controlled the new time-table, deliberately breaking the rules of the Democratic party. The bill which moved up the date of the primaries (even after being warned) was signed by the Democrat Governor. Removing himself from the ballot in Michigan now appears to have been the smartest thing Obama could have done. He had a lot of unspoken support in Michigan, although the Michigan superdelegates gave lip service to Hillary.

There has been little reporting of this story, even within major media outlets in Michigan. Coupled with this NY Times story and the obvious media-fawning of Obama, its starting to appear that the media and a select few Democrats are hand-picking candidates and eliminating competition. It reminds me of how Obama won his Senate seat in Illinois. It wasn’t enough to face his opponents fair and square–he effectively knocked them out of the competition.

Who will be left to question those in power if the media is in the bag for a candidate? How will the public become aware of any counterpoint if the other major party is silenced? What will happen if all accountability is lost when one party seizes control of the checks and balances, the media and thereby the public?

We are on the brink of losing our freedom of choice here–does anyone else see it?

Annie Oakley

We are on the brink of losing our freedom…

That’s exactly how I see it. We’ve lost our freedom.

EyesOpen

The cuts in staff the NYTimes made earlier in the month apparently didn’t go deep enough.
http://www.cafepolitico.us/blog Stacy

It’s not the huge controversy some are trying to make it out to be and people are really grasping for straws- like Fox News for example.

I think Shipley is wrong to try to get McCain to bring up Obama’s editorial as a template McCain ought to follow but the fact is, it is not at all unusual for opinion editors to provide a framework for op-ed writers and suggest re-drafts. McCain tends to repeat the same soundbites on Iraq without offering too many specifics and Shipley wants some new information, not just a rehashing of the same old, same old. Is that evidence of bias? I don’t think so, particularly given the neoconservative leanings of many at the NYT.
http://mmb silverfox

The Times “faux” endorsment of Clinton and McCain was just a ruse before the primary/GE sucker punch. i stopped buying the paper months ago when it became more than apparent that it’s in the can for the obamacoup gang. i get my info right here at NoQuarter and a few of the other blogs in the pearl necklace of sane reportage. the obamatrolls that come here only affirm and strengthen my resolve to remove obama from the GE equation. and Donna Brazile is the High Troll.

my tin hat continues to shimmer.

obama is the tip of a very bleak and unsavory iceberg.

folks,let’s make sure that we do not do the Titanic thingy,

keep freedom ringing.
http://cheguevara.org Che

Who the fuck cares about victory? Do you have to kill people for an abstract concept? Here the US goes invading. AGAIN. The one thing the country’s good at. And after causing more devastation and loss of life than people can count they start getting picky? And saying they have to have victory? Who cares if they have victory! Just get the fuck out!
educatedwhitewoman

Obama campaign censorsing coverage of his big tour? (Surprise, surprise) Will the NYT or any MSM outlet dare report this about the precious one? Obviously, the NY Times, and the big 3 anchors can’t or won’t (they’ll be thrown under the bus), but let’s hope FOX, the Washington Post or any major news outlet risks being excluded by the Obama camp and exposes this “faux” news, better known as propaganda.

“Today on Hardball, Ms. Mitchell explains that the Obama camp has kept the media far away from the Senator, while he has been on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan…….Mitchell goes on to say that this level of media censorship is unprecedented……and she concludes by stating that the, Obama related, news coming out of Iraq/Afghanistan is so filtered…….that some may call it “fake”…..”

http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/
openmind

This is nothing new

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/22/bolton-nyt-mccain/

Bill Clinton had many op-eds rejected when he was sitting president.

…mountain out of a molehill.

WildChild

How many is many? She neither gives us a number nor does she give us the content of the ones she claims were rejected. Without that information its difficult to determine whether we have a mountain, or a molehill, or what’s behind door three

B from Bloomington

Kind of off topic, but have been looking at

http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com/

There is stuff there that shows obama’s fundraising is fishy…. multiple donations by many “unemployed.” Many donations from overseas addresses. Many donations from the same person on the same day… etc. And I had no idea the Illinois budget was in such a crisis state… is that what he plans to do to the United States as well? The center of the violence is his own district, and where is he now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBofMELuSMA

B from Bloomington

On the topic of campaign finance, please check out Tom Abrahams piece today at:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/houston-we-have.html

Also see:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obama-who-is-je.html

openmind

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/22/mccain-oped-post/

Here’s McCain’s op-ed. Murdoch posted it in his paper.
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james

“We look forward to publishing Senator McCain’s views in our paper just as we have in the past. We have published at least seven Op-Ed pieces by Senator McCain since 1996. The New York Times endorsed Senator McCain as the Republican candidate in the presidential primaries. We take his views very seriously,” the statement said.

McCain’s editorial contained obvious factual errors about Obama, his proposed time-line, how his proposal was received by the elected leader of Iraq, and who Barack Obama had input from while recently in Iraq.

It was more an attack on Obama and his proposals than anything else.

McCain doesn’t reveal a damn thing about his own Iraq strategy. He talks about victory only as a vague concept. It’s just a drum he beats because he likes the noise it makes. He never defines specifically what victory means in Iraq, nor does he give us a clue what specific steps he intends to take that will lead us there.

In other words, this particular editorial was the same tap-dancing routine the Bush administration has been performing since his famous “Mission Accomplished” pronouncement. The only thing “substantive” about it are factual errors.

The New York Times did John McCain a favor. He needs to get his new thoughts about Iraq together and articulate them clearly. Otherwise people are going to think he really doesn’t have any.

Rupport Murdock apparently has no problem publishing such an empty editorial. You can read what John intended for his New York Times Op-Ed piece here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07222008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/getting_iraq_right_120904.htm?page=0
http://tinyurl.com/53yul8 doctorate

http://formerobamasupporters.com/

“Posted by Julie
July 21, 2008

Below is a letter we just received from CNN Situation Room about our site. We hide the phone number for confidentiality. From the questions CNN asked, it is now clear that CNN is an undercover agent for Obama. You decide.

Julia”
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alee21

After what Rich and Dowd, the Bobbsey twins over at NYT did to Hillary, I haven’t read that paper except for the movie reviews (even those aren’t the best in the trade).

NYT’s refusal to print McCain’s Op-Ed is disturbing. And it’s not even the government doing it. If this is what Obama does to presumably sane people, I predict his will be a reign of terror.
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Matt N

Paul Krugman pointed it out. The NY Times has fallen too much into the center. The times constantly stated during the debt debate that “The parties could not reach an agreement”. What actually occurred was democrats gave concession after concession while Republicans held the United States finances hostage while demanding a constitutional change. This resulted in a downgrade in the US economy and even darker skies for our financial future. It is the New York Times responsibility to make sure these actions are not rewarded with votes.