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Before The Big Speech On Afghanistan

By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on December 2, 2009 at 3:30 AM in 9/11, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda, Campaign promises, Code Pink, Commander in Chief, Current Affairs, Defense, DoD, Flag officers, Foreign Policy, Pakistan, Pentagon, President Barack Obama, Soldiers/Veterans

* Bumped up from Tuesday *

The contents of which we pretty much already know at this point (thus raising the question why we still have to listen to Obama), a whole bunch of people are protesting the expected surge. One group is Code Pink:

Another person who thinks we care what he has to say is Michael Moore, that arrogant, sanctimonious windbag (okay, okay – I admit it – I own Fahrenheit 9/11 and used to like him), who seems to think he is both a military strategist and a member of the Intelligence Community. He wrote Obama a letter laying it all out for prior to the speechifying. Moore says Obama should NOT listen to the generals on the ground regarding Afghanistan because we are a civilian nation. In other words, he thinks the generals should be told what to do by the likes of Moore, apparently, as opposed to listening to the people who are actually in theater. I guess Moore missed it when Obama was campaigning and made the claim that Agfhanistan was going to be his primary focus in the War on Terror. Oh, right – no one actually listened to what he said, just the melodic, dreamy way in which he said, it.

Excuse me – I have to go throw up now.

Don’t take my word for it. Here’s Obama in his own words (you won’t have to wait long for it):

It gets better. Moore, with his apparent connections to the Intelligence Community, claims there are fewer than 100 members of Al Qaeda still in Afghanistan. Now, I know a bunch of people have gone to Pakistan. I get that. But, where the hell is Moore getting this information, which, if true, I assume might be classified? I’m just wondering.

Te letter goes on (and on). Feel free to click HERE if you care to read any more of it.

You can watch the speech tonight, if you wish. Or you can read this NY Times article and get the scope. I can bottom line it for you: 30,000 troops over 6 months, not as many as Gen. McChrystal wanted, but big surprise there. And, Obama will set a timeline for when the US will start pulling back those reinforcements. You’re welcome!

Bottom line, Mr. Moore, and Code Pink – Obama s actually keeping one campaign promise, even though he dragged his feet for months before he did it. Believe you me, no one is more surprised than I am. And maybe now you know you should have actually paid attention to the “Words, Just Words” that were coming out of his mouth during the campaign and not being lulled into your Obama LaLaLand of Happy Rainbow Unicorns. Just a thought.

Oh, just in case you don’t know this about me, I am not a war hawk, not by a long shot. But on this, going after the people who attacked us, I think we are right, Code Pink and Michael Moore notwithstanding. Do I wish we had accomplished our mission there already? Absolutely. Should we leave before we do? No. That sends a dangerous message – people can attack us, and after a while, we’ll just give up on finding them. These are patient people. They will wait until our guard is down. I don’t see how we can afford not to continue in Afghanistan until the job is done. Can you?

getfitnow

And I believe, Rev Amy, they are being rotated out in 2011.

This is ridiculous. It infuriates me that he’s using the military as a back drop.

I read somewhere that we’re assigning a high level “czar” type to shadow Karzai.

oowawa

I read somewhere that we’re assigning a high level “czar” type to shadow Karzai.

The “Karzai Spy Czar”–I like it!

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

30,000 over six months? What’s the upshot of that? Shouldn’t McChytstal get what he needs ASAP? He’s already getting 10k short of what he said was necessary and now they will be sent in piecemeal? I’m not a military strategist either but this does seem to fit into “too little, too late”…just like that other war…

ziggy

Less than half of the American people now support the war in Afghanistan (52% oppose the war, according to most recent polls.)

Republicans support the war, and want to expand troop levels to a greater degree and far more quickly than the President intends, but they flatly reject the idea of any taxation to pay for it. (Maybe we’ll take up a collection? And damn him for the deficit spending, anyway!)

So, all President Obama has to do is please everybody, while still pursuing a rational military policy that keeps the nation safe in the long term–and do that without any additional taxation or increased deficit spending. How hard can that be?

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

He convinced his followers that he had all the answers to their concerns about the war, economy, healthcare, and on and on. Let him at ‘em, he’s ready from day 1, hit the ground running…hahahahahaha. A bloody magician alright.
http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

Good point, Annie.

As for the majority not supporting the war in Afghanistan, it depends on how the question is worded. Obama’s delay in making a decision has increased people’s concern that the war can’t be WON. And in the time Obama has been dithering, the percentage of people who think there shouldn’t be a timeline has decreased: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/afghanistan/voters_now_closely_divided_on_u_s_chances_for_victory_in_afghanistan

The bottom line is Obama has helped no one by hemming and hawing on this (and every) issue.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I guess he will be “using” the troop withdrawals to further his “image” just before the 2010 and 2012 elections. The most cynical, callous decision and no one is fooled by this. If anything, he’s just opened himself up for that very accusation before the elections. If it can be made to stick, he and the Dims are toast.

ziggy

What’s actually important here? The outcome of the war in Afghanistan, or how any policy decision the President makes about it can best be used to get the republicans back into control?

Peggy Sue

What’s more important, ziggy, is the additional blood and treasure we’re going to spend in Afghanistan. I have no idea what is the best course. But the President didn’t convince me this evening. Maybe I’m a hard sell but my gut tells me this is a no-winner.

However, I do know this: simply sticking a Republican into the WH is not going to solve all our problems. Because corruption and partisan nonsense is on both sides of the aisle.

ziggy

There seems to be some bi-partisan support. Hannity tried to get John McCain to condemn what Obama has decided in a post-speech interview this evening, but McCain wasn’t going for it. Instead, he stated directly and a couple of times that he believes the President’s Afghanistan policy should be supported.

This isn’t really about Afghanistan. It’s about Al Qaeda and what happens in Pakistan. Were it not for that, we’d probably all be happy if our troops came home tomorrow. The situation in Pakistan is incredibly dangerous.

Karma

I guess you missed the part in the election where Obama stole yet another candidate’s platform point as his own. While trying to pretend the other candidate didn’t think of it first.

So of course McCain supports it….it was his plan since before the election began.

During the election, I posted articles for Obots from 2005 where McCain was saying a troops surge and NATO coordination was vital to success in Afghanistan.

ziggy

Actually then-Senator Obama called for the deployment of at least 2 additional brigades to Afghanistan in a speech given at Wilson Center on August 1, 2007. His position all along has been that Afghanistan and Pakistan are of great importance, while the war in Iraq was a mistake.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/27/what-i-now-love-about-the-holidays-thanks-to-the-crobonomy/ Silence Dogood

His position

With his track record, that ain’t saying much.

ziggy

The trouble with obsessing about the fact of President Obama is that all of the events of the world don’t go on hold to allow people to focus exclusively their obsession.

http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

That’s what we keep trying to tell Obama. Put down the mirror, quit looking at your reflection in the pool, and try to act like a president.

Obama’s obsession with himself is just not cutting it anymore.
Silence Dogood

ziggy, you may feel in your mind you occasionally “win” and are such a wonderful advocate for the dreck you support, but in the end you are one giant loser: you live in the same country as we do — the same country that is going down the tubes. The downward spiral began with Bush II and continues with BO.

I assume you like most BO fanatics were against Bush II. Hasn’t it dawned on you why most of us here were against Bush II and now BO?

I’m afraid you are too myopic to ever see my point.

Silence Dogood

* Crickets *

(I know you read this, ziggy)

Portia Elizabeth

If he makes an ass of himself, you can hardly feign surprise when the Republicans take advantage of it.
(And just as a reminder, I’m still a registered Democrat. My party sends me letters and I get to send them back saying not one dime after the election fraud. And I send them in their prepaid envelopes. And it makes me smile.)

Obamastolemycoutry

I do the same thing! I just filled one out tonight! I always tell them I used to be a Democrat and used to give them money, but since they cheated and stole to get Barack Whosucks Obama, they have won’t have my support ever again!

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/27/what-i-now-love-about-the-holidays-thanks-to-the-crobonomy/ Silence Dogood

Comment by ziggy | 2009-12-01 20:09:21

What’s actually important here? The outcome of the war in Afghanistan, or how any policy decision the President makes about it can best be used to get the republicans back into control?

You ever consider going on tour with the circus? Your tightrope walker act is quite entertaining. That being said, I advise you use a safety net, for you surely are to fall.

Docelder

guess he will be “using” the troop withdrawals to further his “image” just before the 2010 and 2012 elections.

He needs body bags to successfully run again against the effigy of Bush and the specter of Cheney. Anybody with a conscience wouldn’t even consider that. But Obama isn’t just anybody… he’s special.

propertius

My biggest, single objection to the way President Obama ™ has handled this was the indecisive dithering. He’s been sitting on this for months, while our troops and countless Afghan civilians were in the line of fire. And, now that he’s finally made up his mind, he’s going to increase forces gradually. Exactly what is that supposed to accomplish? If we learned anything from our ill-fated adventures in Vietnam and Iraq, it ought to be that gradual escalation is a recipe for disaster. You either commit sufficient resources or you get out. Half-measures just won’t do.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I believe the “dithering” was purposeful. He was timing and measuring the stringing out the troop “increases” and withdrawal to be in line with the elections. As stupid as his koolaide drinkers are, even they should be able to put two and two together.

I don’t care what “General Moore” wants, thinks, says. But even he, can tell when he’s being played, bamboozled, handed the old okey doke by the flim flam man.
http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

ROTFLMAO abt the Trademark – quite right, too – that’s exactly what he is.

“Dithering” is the perfect word – and that IS a major issue. Well said.

getfitnow, yes, it is true that Obama is planning to bring home the troops on a set time-line (at least for now). What an absolutely ridiculous thing to telegraph to Al-Qaeda. They are a patient group, something I thought we had already learned. Three years will be NOTHING for them (I’ll have something else on this tomorrow).

Yes, Obama has tried to play this off on all sides. Sadly, whenever he was called on it, the messenger was always shot. Obama, OTOH, was always embraced and protected.

Candymarl, excellent point abt Hillary – McCain tried to point it out, too.

Isn’t it ironic how everyone poo-poohed Hillary’s and John’s experience for the Obama (trademarked) Unity Rainbow Unicorn of “Just words?” I bet BOTH Hillary and John are looking pretty good to a lot of people right now…

leslie

If Obama hasn’t learned anything from the history of that part of the world, then he earned whatever disrespect and distrust he gets. No One has ever gone into that part of the world and come out on top. Look at the countries from Rome to USSR. Geez, for a Columbia and Harvard graduate, he knows NOTHING!

He should be impeached for oh so many reasons.

Docelder

No One has ever gone into that part of the world and come out on top

Honestly, how do you fight people who wish to live in the 21st century as if they were medieval nomads? You don’t fight at their level, unless our soldiers want to exist on that plane of existence while doing it. You shock and awe them and starve them out in their tents and caves. You don’t go into the tents and caves with them. Unless you want another ~~Vietnam~~ Afghanistan. Yes, ask the Russians how well it works trying to fight on the ground at the level of a medieval nomad.

propertius

Actually, the Arabs went into Afghanistan in 647 and came out “on top” (although it took them about 500 years to completely convert the country).

candymarl

So much for the anti-war President. He promised everything to everyone during the campaign. Not even FDR could have pulled that off. But FDR was too smart to try it.

Hillary admitted that she may have to make decisions that some of the American people wouldn’t be happy with.

Obama? He made it sound as though there was nothing he couldn’t do. Including ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. You have Obama supporters actually saying we should leave it to the President and the Generals and just be quiet.
I remember GWB supporters saying the same.

So much for change.

ziggy

I see few parallels between Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush’s war was Iraq. There was no good reason for it. Obama’s war is Afghanistan, and the reason for Afghanistan ought to be obvious. Find it on a map and look south.

Afghanistan is about what’s happening in Pakistan. Pakistan is about the very real possibility of nuclear-armed terrorists–the same terrorists who attacked us on 9/11.

Letting things go their own way there would be an act of monumental stupidity.

ziggy

BTW, Dick Cheney should shut the hell up. He was bashing Obama last night with a telephone commentary before the man had even finished his speech. More and more Cheney’s audio comments sound like warbly radio transmissions from Colonel Kurtz, hidden away somewhere deep in the Cambodian jungle.

~~JustMe~~

You think that old guy Cheney gets to him? Well guess what he gets to a lot of us too!

Shoulda waited till he had more experience running for top slot, funny that when you’re on top you have to take what comes with it. Criticism is not one of his good points right?
never mind guess he will have to learn to
“Get Over It”

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

The comments on that Michael Moore piece are priceless. My favorite:

“Speaking of fools, what would you call a voter who voted for Nixon or Reagan or Bush or McCain? I will admit to being a fool. My vote for Obama proves it. The fixed, corrupted two-party system continues to fleece the American people because enablers such as youself give them power. The insanity will continue as long as we allow it to.”

FINALLY an Obot admits they were a fool. Moore, however, still doesn’t get it. He still thinks that somewhere deep down inside Obama actually cares about the “progressive agenda.” I also cringed at Moore saying Obama had a “landslide” (he did not), and how he characterized all the Tea Party people as “haters.” Michael Moore needs to get out of his liberal bubble. The Tea Party people are not his enemy and they oppose the corporate state as much as Moore does.

Tex-Mex Soup

and does anyone recall michael moores interview with sean hannity a month ago or so. sean hannity says, “you are a multi multi millionaire” and micheal moore responds, “I’m not a millionaire, I’ve done well” not verbatim of course. He was paid 21 million dollars for farenheit 9/11. He’s done well???

this dude has head so far up his a$$ he has lost all touch with reality

~~JustMe~~

Michael Moore is a cretin who should keep quiet damn quiet. He’s made a lot of money off trying to show off everyone elses mistakes. He needs to get back under the rock he crawled out of! He too is a walking mistake.

donjo

Why does everyone conveniently forget the 20,000 troops O sent over this spring, plus another 13,000 secretly added? (According to the BBC.) And don’t forget the 9,000 Marines getting ready to ship out and the 100,000 or more contractors already there.

So that’s well over 200,00 troops we’re paying for in some shape or form. For what? No one really seems to know. (Could it be the pipeline being constructed though Afghanistan? Seems like our bases are conveniently located on it path.) To equate this build-up to a “War on Terror” is truly stretching the limits of believability. Terror isn’t a country, but it seems to sell well with the right wing bedwetters who I’m sure are anxious to send everyone over there who isn’t in their immediate families.

O needs to seriously confer with the Russkis about this folly. They’ll be more than happy to advise him to keep pouring the troops in. It worked out so well for them.

carol haka

Why don’t you unplug your computer? You are releasing too many carbons into the atmosphere.

And, I’m sure you don’t drive a car. Correct???

Here’s an idea if you are concerned about a pipeline through Afghanistan – DRILL, BABY, DRILL ………….. Not that we Americans really need anyone else’s oil because of all that Iraq Oil for Blood we already get ……..

In other words – ~~Shut the Fuck Up Idiot!~~

[EDITOR: I know you're honestly expressing your anger, but let's try to be better than the other guy.]

CAROL HAKA

donjo

Are you really that stupid, crass and loud- mouthed or just a escapee from the nut house?

donjo

And BTW, thanks for your comments; that’s the nicest thing anyone has said about me today.

Portia Elizabeth

donjo — I think I get what you’re saying. IMO sarcasm sometimes goes right past its intended targets and subtlety is lost in the bargain.

NomNomNom

that’s why I call it: No War Without One of Our Military Bases Left Behind.
When the Pentagon is saying 10 years and BHO is saying 18 months, I’m thinking it’s 10 years: it’ll be just like Iraq, Guantanamo, prohibition of gays serving openly in the military, Patriot Act… how many times does one need to be lied to before one stops believing what one is told? When that “deadline” rolls around, it’ll be moved back and back and back…

btw Russia has given us their permission to use their airspace already for the war.

Peggy Sue

I don’t pretend to know what is the best decision on Afghanistan. I’ve read credible arguments from both sides. And I have to believe [or at least want to believe] that this decision is based on intel that the WH and inner circle have been given. I suspect this whole enterprise has more to do with Pakistan than the Afghani situation.

That being said, my gut reaction is to get out now. I absolutely supported going in country and capturing or killing Bin Laden and his cronies after 9/11. But GW made a U-turn into Iraq, a move I never understood nor supported. Now, 9 years later, we’re still fighting, sacrificing blood and treasure. And for what?

Obama better explain that tonight because if it’s more crapola about stabilizing a completely unstable region of the world then I think he’s toast. I’ve read it would take 15-20 years to bring Afghanistan into anything that looked reasonably stable.

And by stating a deadline for troop withdrawal? I’m not a military strategist, but isn’t that like telegraphing the endpoint to the terrorists?

It just seems like a no-win situation to me.

Depressing!

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

Peggy Sue, I hear ya. It seems to me that yes, a timeline IS telegraphing to the terrorists. That’s a bit of a problem.

And while terrorism isn’t a “country” as mentioned above, given al Qaeda a “Welcome Home!” date in Afghanistan seems to negate everything our soldiers have fought to achieve there.

I certainly don’t like that this war has gone on this long, either. Like I said, I have always erred more on the side of being a pacifist. But bin Laden still has not been brought to justice for 9/11 (didn’t Obama say he would hunt bin Laden down and kill him? I seem to recall him saying that…).

I’m no military strategist, either – but unlike the Iraq invasion, going to war in Afghanistan made more sense.

I guess I could have said, “yes, it is depressing…”
abbie

Did no one read or learn anything from Charlie Wilson’s War? Or is it our turn to be the Russians?
b mathews

anyone think that 2011 timeline for withdrawl was an intentional message to obamas muslim friends (the ones he is always giving a shout out to)to hold off doing anything until 2011 so he can look good.he doenst give a flying s–t about america..only whats good for his image. we should have paid more attention when he gave hillary the finger. now he is giving it to us. hopefully we will give it back to him in 2012.

sandi78

I hate this guy. I’m listening to his speech (only while I wait for laundry to finish) and he just can’t resist bragging about himself. Does everything have to be about him? (That was a rhetorical question!) I hate the way he waves his fingers around, narrowly avoiding pointing at his audience while lecturing. UGH!

Otherwise, I agree with you RRA about the need for more troops and the need not to telegraph to our enemies how long the troops will be there. Oops, he just told them.
Obamastolemycoutry

I’m not sure what I think about this. Part of me thinks we can’t win in Afghanistan, but part of me also thinks that America is the only one who can and we cannot take away the strides in democracy we have brought to the Afghan people.

I am sickened at the DemoRATS who now are concerned about spending money on the war. We can’t afford it they say. WTF???? We could afford the stimulus, cash for clunkers, $8,000 homebuying credits (who in God’s name came up with that figure anyway????), and last, but not least Health Care ~~pay to play~~ Reform, but not to clean up our war??? I am also always sickened that many of the anti war liberals have no one serving in the military and so should not speak for those who do. The parents of soldiers, yes, Michael Moore, shut your pie hole and go fight, I mean really fight for something before you open your yap! I was married to a soldier at one time and he was a selfish man, cared for few people other than himself, but he was willing to lay down his life for this country! You could not have talked him out of it if you had tried! He is scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan early next year, and has been for a while. There is no love lost between he and I now, but he is my kids Dad and they are proud of him and I will be, too!

We have got to start doing the right thing in this country. Love all of our troops. They want to win this one!!!

I have to admit that I am watching the speech right now and I am shocked I can actually listen to this one, but part of it helps knowing that all across America, liberal heads are exploding.
Karma

Obama talked about this being the ‘good war’ to huge applause from the Bots.

If Moore didn’t hear it….he only has himself to blame.

Bhahahaha…Obama claims he will deal with costs of the war ‘openly and honestly’ of course after a Bush spending reference.

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

“Openly and honestly,” just like everything else he has done? Oh, boy – I guess we’re going to be kept totally int he dark then, right?

And Sandi78, has Obama EVER given a speech that wasn’t all abt him? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yep, it’s all “I”, “Me”, “Mine”, “My”this, “My” that.
Karma

Exactly what I was thinking….totally in the dark.

And I completely agree about telegraphing the date as well as the dithering. Not that I am a hawk either, but NQ has offered several examples and books of dithering on orders which allowed bin Laden to slip away.

Frankly, Bush should have gone big from the start. That is one thing I agree with Powell on. Overwhelming force and a defined mission when going to war.
sowsear

Yes, we are the mushrooms, growing in the dark and fed manure.

carol haka

That moron standing in front of the teleprompter seriously needs to slither back under the rock he crawled out from under. I would image most, including Hillary and Gates, wanted to puke their guts out.

I have never seen such a more total incompetent in my lifetime – and, I’ve seen some really incompetents.

CAROL HAKA

Sandy chacko

OT This is for you Carol,since you live in Addison,love you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VUo8OuFaiI

carol haka

I’m actually in Las Colinas. That was beautiful. Thanks.

CAROL HAKA

carol haka

Winning in Afghanistan is very simple. Cancel all of their Dish Network until they hand over all of the terrorists, kill the poppy fields, burn the burkas, ………….

If you remember, the first and most important thing they were excited about when we landed there was getting to watch tv again.

CAROL HAKA
I’m a Linda too

Great post rrra. ‘

One thing for sure, I did not want us to stay and increase the blind bombing as Biden was recommending with the Drones and not sending the forces for training. Talk about killing innocent people and wasting money. And it was what Obama claimed he understood was creating more enemies for us when he was candidate Obama, that McChyrstal pointed out was not helping our overall mission.

Michael Moore and Code Pink have regressed. They are no longer saying, “they aren’t doing what they promised” they are saying “we thought they would do differently” And worse, the idiots wait til today to protest? WHAT?
http://! stodgie

look the public response is a prelude to the even stronger public response when his afghan mission goes belly up and our soldiers again die. i am not in favor of this because i have seen what afghanistan did to russia. i also am concerned about the taliban and wish bush had finished the job he started. so i see the need to stand up against terrorism, but i don’t trust anything the demorats come up with period.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I agree stodgie. We had a chance when Bush first sent them in. We could have gotten Bin Laden, mopped up and come home. That would have fulfilled his mission. Instead, Bush decided to put a permanent presence in the Middle East. I don’t believe for a minute that we won’t have troops in some capacity in Iraq and Afghanistan…for decades. Just like Germany and Korea.

SJ

I have spent this year renewing our alliances and forging new partnerships. And we have forged a new beginning between America and the Muslim World – one that recognizes our mutual interest in breaking a cycle of conflict.

Is Obama really serious with this hogwash? I feel so sorry for these young cadets

Portia Elizabeth

He said that?
Did they furnish the cadets with barf bags?
Karma

Ugh…bowing is equal to forging new partnerships?

With who? They are as unimpressed with him as we are.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574558300500152682.html

“The Arabs Have Stopped Applauding Obama
A foreign policy of penance has won America no friends.”
Carlaforhillary

He forged his alliance with the Muslim’s a long time ago. And yes, he is serious with that hogwash.
b mathews

whats up with obamas obsession with muslims? he sends them holiday wishes, bows down before them, defends their actions at every turn (refusing to call the ft hood murderer a muslim terrorist) , trying the 9/11 murderers as common criminals instead of terrorists, saying the muslim prayer is the prettiest sound he ever heard, (and knows it well…hmmm) and wants nothing more than to be their savior. maybe he should go run for king of the muslim world since he has shown more loyalty to them than he does to america.

Margaret

Thanks Rev. Amy. Ugh, I couldn’t stomach any more of that nauseating Michael Moore commentary, thanks for reading it for us so you could fill us in. Oh and no way can I listen to Mr. O as in zero as in empty suit.

Still have my Hillary sticker on my car, just want Obots to remember what could have been… Yes I enjoy gloating

tek

Margaret: I hope there won’t be a big backlash against Hillary for saying Obama’s decision is right. She HAS to say that publicly. I’m so glad she isn’t VP.

Portia Elizabeth

My fear is that Afghanistan will be Obama’s Vietnam and, after losing many fine young men and women, we will slink home and try to pretend it never happened.

I hope liberal heads are exploding because then there will be fewer to vote for That One and his minions. I refused to watch because his voice irritates me so much I get Ohives.

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

“Ohives” – LOL – good one, PE.

I cannot believe Obama was blathering on abt his forging connections with the Muslim world. (He really does think he is Master of the Universe, doesn’t he?) I mean, I’m all for good relations with as many people as we can have, but really. His bowing and scraping to everyone on the planet, apologizing for the US at any opportunity as if he were ashamed of the country for which he is president (with the help of ACORN – ahem), etc., etc., is intended to forge good relations with the Muslim world? Wow – nice of him to give them that much power over us.

Docelder

Maybe he might put in a word with his Muslim brethren and see if we can’t have some sort of domestic cease fire here at home. Domestic Muslims seem to be emboldened by whatever Obama is doing… What is he doing exactly?

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

Excellent question, Docelder!

http://! stodgie

i can’t stand his voice either portia. my nails grow an inch when i hear them. smoke comes out of my ears while my eyes cross! smile not a pretty sight.

PJ

Can anyone name ONE promise this guy has kept? I am only asking for one here. Think!

Welcome to the 9th year of the Bush administration. I would like to personally thank Michael Moore who got in line to kiss Obama’s butt even though he was pushing for UHC (which we might have gotten under Hillary) and is now reduced to pleading with The One to do the right thing. No UHC. No withdrawal. No FOCA. No DADT! No regulation of Wall Street. No investigation of the Bush/Cheney cabal. No. No. No.

Give me a break!! Just what is it that we have here?

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Can you say “Flim Flam”?
Carlaforhillary

I can name one – this war. Which was one more reason I did not like him during the primary.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Sort of funny/sad about creating security in an entire country. He can’t even secure a dinner party.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/27/what-i-now-love-about-the-holidays-thanks-to-the-crobonomy/ Silence Dogood

Or maybe even a that big trial in NYC? The man does not exactly engender much faith to me in his leadership skills, case in point: the economy.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

The NY trial is going to be a fiasco. He and Holder are laughing behind our backs.

Peggy Sue

“He can’t even secure a dinner party.”

Hahaha. That was a good one, Annie. And yes, funny and sad.
Docelder

He can’t even secure a dinner party.

Not even with the help of the Department of Homeland Security. Nice work dismantling it.

Portia Elizabeth

I feel so sad for our troops. Can you imagine what will happen to morale when they realize That One doesn’t want them to win this war? How do you justify even trying when you know it won’t make any difference in the outcome?

Carlaforhillary

You are right. He doesn’t want them to win, he is just trying to keep the right quiet so they don’t bash him and make him look weaker for breaking another campaign promise.

Carlaforhillary

The speech was horrible and Obama is a talking head. He talked about himself mostly it seemed, and put down America as well. No nukes?? k….Iran seems to be complying well with that one.

While I do agree with RRA in theory that we should continue in Afghanistan until the job is done, the problem is that Obama’s plan is not going to work.

At this point, I think most Americans would not have a problem with him bringing our troops home. I wouldn’t. We can fight the terrorists without being at war in Afghanistan.

I used to love Michael Moore too, but now I don’t like him anymore. I saw him on Hannity and thought he was arrogant and partronizing towards Hannity. Not really a good way to make the case for your argument.

Not only do I think Obama is a marxist, but I’m now thinking there is something wrong with him mentally.

Considering who he has in his admin, I think Obama agreed to certain things just to be president, and I think he thought his base would not notice when he did the bidding of certain people, since his base was not paying attention during the primary. But they are paying attention now, because they don’t have Hillary and Palin (to a point) to focus on now.

The left is totally shocked by Obama’s stance on the war. Proof they were not paying attention during the campaign.

If he is bringing our troops home in 2011, all the terrorists have to do is hide out until then.

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

Carla, that is just the problem, isn’t it? Obama is WOEFULLY unprepared to deal with this situation. We all knew that two years ago. He and his minions attacked Hillary’s experience, and even John’s far superior military experience, as if they were meaningless. No, worse than that, a hindrance. And so here we are. I have no faith in him conducting this well. Heck, he already hasn’t as his dithering demonstrates.

I, too, am worried abt the troops, worried abt what message this sends to them, worried abt their safety, their morale, all of that.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/27/what-i-now-love-about-the-holidays-thanks-to-the-crobonomy/ Silence Dogood

The left is totally shocked by Obama’s stance on the war. Proof they were not paying attention during the campaign.

Indeed, with one caveat: it was a willful choice not to pay attention. We were here and elsewhere barking up a storm.

Carlaforhillary

Dogood-You are right. It was a willful choice. And yes, I know so many people that were barking up a storm to no avail.

I wish I could be happy with just a “told you so.” But I am not, I’m sad for all the soldiers who have died and all the people who are out of work. And it is going to get worse.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/27/what-i-now-love-about-the-holidays-thanks-to-the-crobonomy/ Silence Dogood

There’s a veto proof majority up on the Hill. I pray they come to their senses. I have to at least pretend there is some way out of this nightmare.

2010 can’t come soon enough. NJ and VA gives me a glimmer of hope. The electorate was sending a smoke signal. I hope enough people took time off from watching American Idol and saw this.

So what’s the gist of the ~~dog poop~~ speech? I can’t stand to watch the that ~~demonic entity~~ man.

I assume he’s pissed off the progressives who voted for him. Good. Pitiful morons who fell for his felgercarb. I think it safe to say Obama has singlehandedly destroyed the progressive movement for a generation. That’s sad, I like some of their ideas — but they can’t be trusted to run amok and control all of the US government — same goes for the other extreme.

Sorry if I am rambling on here, been a long day.

http://! stodgie

dogood, obama has also destroyed any possibilty of any minority getting the presidential bid for a generation or more after this. the shame of it is there are talented, caring, and able people in the aa community who could leave obama behind in their dust in their abilities ane desire to do good for this country and ALL americans.

Silence Dogood

I understand your point.

What irks me profoundly: There is no “aa community” just as there is no “white community” — just one human community. There are also only A(mericans), not A(frican)A(mericans).

~~JustMe~~

agreed this is about we the people not what the color tint we walk around with. Where all in this together jobs, war, stimulus, and the rest. It does not matter the downward turn effects us all.

Silence Dogood

…as does suffering under this inept “leadership” in DC. This affects everyone, including the dumbass koolaid drinkers. I hope they en mass wake up soon.

andrew

So why did John McCain say the President’s Afghanistan policy is on track and should be supported? Has John McCain gone Obamabot, or suddenly turned stupid?

Silence Dogood

Buzz off and ask someone who cares what you have to say.

getfitnow

This guy is in over his head.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Over his head, out of his realm, lost in the dark, short a taco on his combo plate.

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

LOL – well said, Annie.

Okay, I just have to say it – we told them, and told them, and told them, and told them, that having experience actually DOES matter, that voting for someone who won’t reveal his transcripts or claims to have lost ALL state papers from his 8 yrs in IL or mouths only empty rhetoric and wants nothing but adulation was NOT going to make a good president.

Honestly, after Bush, whom we all decried as being too inexperienced, who in the hell would have thought people would go for someone even MORE inexperienced? And who used ACORN thugs to get the vote? Still boggles the mind…

an observer

Fire bomb the dope (and the British if they get in the way)
No money..no weapons…. no war.
Nough said.

~~JustMe~~

Let’s kill a few Brits too while where at it!
Ugh where’s the logic in that??

getfitnow

Chris Matthews needs to be fired!

Via NewsBusters.
Chris Matthews:

“I watched the cadets, they were young kids – men and women who were committed to serving their country professionally it must be said, as officers. And, I didn’t see much excitement. But among the older people there, I saw, if not resentment, skepticism. I didn’t see a lot of warmth in that crowd out there. The president chose to address tonight and I thought it was interesting. He went to maybe the enemy camp tonight to make his case.“

oowawa

He went to maybe the enemy camp tonight to make his case.

The enemy camp? The Commander-In-Chief?!?!
I guess maybe Chris didn’t notice any legs tingling in excitement.

Docelder

Maybe the middle one?

beachnan

Chris Matthews is a nut case. How dare he refer to the West Point Cadets as the “enemy camp”. I thought it was typical of Obama and his team to select a “backdrop” worthy of his historic speech. If they were unreceptive to this poser’s rhetoric, then good for them. Obama and his team got what they deserved for using the troops for his personal gain. STFU Chris Matthews.

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

You have GOT to be kidding me that Matthews referred to West Point, the premiere military academy in the COUNTRY, as an “enemy camp”! My mouth is agape – I can’t even believe it.

Good comments on that point, folks – y’all are saying it all, and well!

Peggy Sue

West Point? The “enemy camp.” This is why I refuse to watch MSNBC.

Matthews better be ready to apologize for that crack.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Greta is on it. She just ran the Matthews comment opening her show.

Docelder

I didn’t see a lot of warmth in that crowd out there.

Well a lot of those cadets are from “flyover” America. Flyover America doesn’t have a lot of warmth for Obama right now. The cadets probably are smart enough to know they were being used as stage props. People don’t appreciate being used. So, Obama drags his feet and sits on the fence and begrudgingly acts only to slip in an excuse for a tax increase in the middle of the worst economy since the depression. Blame it on Bush. Right. Like we could never have seen that one coming.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yep, hard to feel warmth toward people who see you and the people protecting us as “the enemy camp”. I’ll bet even Michael Moore doesn’t believe the troops are the enemy. Hope Fox picks up on this and savages Matthews tomorrow. He’s shameful

tek

The NYTimes article began by siting the high incidence of soldier suicides last month, apparently the highest in the history of such record-keeping in this country.

We will not contain the problems in Afghanistan and the surge will only bankrupt the U. S. further.

Onofre’s arm

The way I read Matthews comment is that he was speaking as though it was from Obama’s perspective. This is revealing in two ways. One, Matthews correctly observes that Obama and his crowd are contemptuous of the military. And two, that knowing this attitude was prevalent in the Obama crowd, hack journalists like Matthews still supported them, which shows that Matthews and his MSM pals are kindred spirits with their contempt for the men and women who protect our country, and defend our freedom.

Greta just cited Matthews stupid remark, So FOX IS going to justly drag him around. How can I send FOX some hot tar and chicken feathers?

http://! stodgie

i can only hope and pray that the new owner comcast kicks his(matthews) arse and the rest of the obama cabal out the front door as soon as possible.

Kim

Tweety is a laughing stock, coming in second to Olbie on MSNBO. How dare he call those young men and women, who are preparing themselves to serve their country and possibly die doing it, the “enemy camp.” What a complete putz!

I’m a Linda too

oh man, please free me!

I did not realize my comment posted about an hour ago did not show up.

I’m tired of this. I guess that means time for me to stop posting.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Take heart. Just yell.
Portia Elizabeth

It happens to all of us. I got gobbled up 4 times last week and a couple never did show up. I wasn’t swearing and didn’t use the i word, so only the spaminator knows why.

Maybe we need a tutorial on what not to say, so we can avoid the problem.

http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

Lucky me. I wasn’t home during the Big Zero’s speech.

From what I can tell, it was just more of the ~~lame~~ uh, same.

****Found on the floor by the podium on pink paper:****

From the desk of BARRY O

give away timelines- check

try to sound tough and presidential – check

use cadets for a photo-op -check

try to pretend to not read the teleprompter – check

try not to pee your pants

~~JustMe~~

I was but was making candles and soap and getting really high on the essential oils it’s such a better world to be in!

HARP

Since he has such good relations with the Muslim countries, why are they not sending any troops? After all some of their civilians have suffered as a result of these clowns.
http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I just noticed (I try not to look at him if I have to listen to him) that his make-up people are back to the purple lips. Strange.

beyond_words

Yea I noticed there seemed to be eyeshadow as well? Whats up with that? And uggh on the purple lips. He seemed nervous to me this time up there, his head was bobbing back and forth constantly and seemed to be reading ooops (lol) speaking as if in a trance.

I thought about G.Dubya and how THAT crowd of achievers at westmount would have recieved him, and the difference would have been huge imo.

http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

The purple lips were truly scary. (I saw a clip on the late local news.) Obama does look a little shaken. Good. He needs to try a stint in the world of reality.
getfitnow

Yep, beyond_words. I consider Bush a war criminal, but he believed in his mission.

tek

Yes, Bush’s mission was to punish Saddam Hussein for defying Dubya’s Daddy. Now our country is ruined because of Dubya’s personal grudge.

NOT ONE 9/11 TERRORIST CAME FROM IRAQ.

SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS AN ATHEIST. HE HATED BIN LADEN WHO WAS A RELIGIOUS ZEALOT.

COLIN POWELL LIED AT THE UN ABOUT BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS AND MISSILE SITES IN IRAQ.

TeakWoodKite

You will teach them what they’ve always heard is true — that all politicians are alike. I simply can’t believe you’re about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn’t so.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush’s Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

(“That is called denial, I think”. said Alice as she watched the rabbit move off.)
blockquote>We the people still love you.(oops, Love is just a second hand emotion.)

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can’t be won over by abandoning the rest of us.
TeakWoodKite

Rabble indeed Amy

That letter from Moore is a work of art. Serious stuff. Like seek help quickly Mikey!, ’cause they gave it to you to eat and you ~~swallowed~~.are choking on it.

I mean surreal shit. Still, I am glad you got that off your chest Mikey….like, “we still love you” dude.

How does a guy like Moore run around talking of Constitutional violations, and write “WE the people” still Love you”? I think of all the interviews Moore gave during the primaries. What a clueless clown.

tek

Michael Moore pushed seriously for Oprah Winfrey to be the Democratic candidate in 2004. Guess Obie was the next best thing. That guy is fried. I always heard he exaggerated and told outright lies in his documentaries. Now I believe it!

TeakWoodKite

I am wondering if the “Northern Alliance” will return and Karzi will get burned.
TeakWoodKite

Iran is in a position to really create proxy havoc.
Elizabeth

Moore is clever and I think its good that his films get people talking about important issues. But if you do even a little research on his films, they are riddled with half-truths. Moore has an agenda and his movies are propaganda. They are not fair or balanced at all. He says what he wants because America allows freedom of speech. I think he should go on a fast for one month or more, then eat only brown rice for 6-months to a year, come down to a more “everyman” weight, and THEN tell us what he thinks about the world!

I don’t blame Moore as much as I do the average idiot consumer.
tek

There was a good article in the NYTimes outlining why we should just get out of Afghanistan even though it would be a tough call. Pretty much the article said the U. S. is a broken country and we need real leaders who have the guts to get up and say that out loud and talk about how we need to stop nation-building overseas and start addressing the very serious problems in our own country. I agree entirely.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com Tom Degan

What we have here is a classic case of American ethno-centricism. Afghanistan is not a nation that is likely to embrace an idea as historically foreign to them as democracy any time soon (And when I say “any time soon” I am speaking in terms of the next one-thousand years – give or take a few centuries). How can a country be expected to enter the twenty-first century when that same country has yet to experience all of the modern wonders of the nineteenth? This is a really bad idea.

“And it’s – ONE! TWO! THREE! – What are we fighting for?”

Country Joe and the Fish

Well, hey there! Come to think of it, that’s a damned good question when you get right down to it: Just what the heck are we fighting for? Let us examine the possibilities, shall we?

American interests? It can’t be that! Given the fact that Afghanistan’s only export seems to be opium, and taking into consideration our fabulously successful war on drugs….Nah! It couldn’t be that!

Freedom and democracy? Tee! Hee! Hee! I’m sorry, I was just kidding! The Afghan people are now living under the rule of a “leader” who is now in power because he stole the recent election. Hamid Karzai is many things – you’ll get no argument from me there! – Thomas Jefferson he ain’t. Trust me on that. Let this be etched in stone: Any country that views its women as inferior beings not worthy of basic human rights is a country not worth one drop of anyone’s blood. NEXT….

Aiding a developing nation? In order for a country to be classified “developing”, a bit of “development” should at least be moderately apparent. Afghanistan is stuck in the fifth century and seems intent on remaining there.

What are we fighting for?

Let me rephrase that: What are the children of the poor and working classes fighting for? Between you and me, I’ve only known one person in combat in the last seven years. I don’t know him anymore. He was killed when a roadside bomb was detonated in front of the vehicle in which he was a passenger. His name was Irving Medina. He was twenty-two.

What was Irving Medina fighting for?

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

Docelder

How can a country be expected to enter the twenty-first century when that same country has yet to experience all of the modern wonders of the nineteenth?

I was saying kind of that above and yes exactly how much Coca-Cola and KFC are ever going to be sold in Afghanistan to start with? Why are we nation building a culture that hasn’t embraced the modern world? Maybe instead of the military, if we want to help them… dig them some deep water wells so they might irrigate some crops that don’t have a resale value of opium? They might grow food if they had the water. Maybe full people would be better able to tell the Taliban where to get off. If we must be there, we ought to at least try to be constructive.

candy

Code Pink sucks.

I am always reminded that then Senator Hillary Clinton was lukewarm toward Code Pink and the Kos. Now that my eyes are opened, I see the wisdom of Hillary to distance herself from these loonies.
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