Reid Compares Health Care Bill Resistance to the Days of Slavery

Go, Sue Lowdon, and win Nevada!

Reid needs to check his meds. His statements were disgraceful and offensive. What is worse, he is using the examples of civil rights and women’s suffrage as if he gave a damn about either. Last year he threatened women with the overturning of Roe v. Wade if they did not vote for “the Democrat” — more b.s. He should be ashamed.

As Juan Williams pointed out last night, he sounds desperate.

they are using the fact that passing this ridiculous HC bill will be historic. for who? obama? so it doesnt matter that it stinks to high heaven and most folks dont want it and it will bankrupt the country..lets pass it anyway because it will be “historic”.obama should be more worried that he will go down in history for being the worst president ever and ruining the country. but hey..its historic.

There’s certainly a wearisome pattern here. Everytime the Dems get into trouble, they pull out the race card.

Republicans stalled on questions of slavery? Abe Lincoln was a Republican. Civil Rights? Many Dems opposed civil rights. Suffrage? Teddy Roosevelt supported suffrage, and though Wilson claimed support, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to support the Amendment.

Reid is in desperate trouble. He “has” to get this healthcare bill through and his numbers are sinking like a stone in Nevada. But he seems to forget that the Dems own the majority. Blaming Republicans is weak at best. The Dems cannot get their own people together because this is a lousy, lousy bill.

I am not a Republican, but I am sick of the fingerpointing. And I’m sickened by the Democratic leadership.

“There’s certainly a wearisome pattern here. Everytime the Dems get into trouble, they pull out the race card.”

Peggy, you just said it all.

The problem with this “debate” all along has been that either you’re for it or against it. Without ever really debating the details or trying to make a really good bill.

Our “esteemed leaders” never studied how the Germans or Japanese or other industrial nations other than Canada’s single payer plan would/could work well here.

So it’s come down to Reid browbeating reluctant senators into voting for a seriously flawed bill.

I predict that tons of seniors and middle class voters who don’t follow the details like those of us on NQ will be SHOCKED when they learn how bad this bill is for the middle class and for seniors and the negative impact it will have on our economy.

I still can’t believe that with Dems in charge of both houses of Congress and the WH this is the best bill they could design.

Shame on Reid, Pelosi and all the rest!

Apparently we must also remind Senate Loser Dirty Harry Reid that it was the Democratic Party that was Pro Slavery, hampering the Republicans from ending it.

Going just a tad far Harry? I hope this is your last year that we will ever have to mention your name again.

And, speaking of Losers and Democrats. We know Obama has no sense of humor, is thin skinned, but loves to be sarcastic and demeaning to others.

Well, he hasn’t changed. I’d say, worsening.

Get this. Obama actually called Congressman Conyers a few weeks ago when Congressman Conyers verbally acknowledged in public his disappointment with Obama and having to cover his butt.

Conyers said that Obama called him personally and told him to stop “demeaning him”.

Is this guy so over his head or what?

Hey Harry. Race baiting is racist.

I give an Obama-cheek-scratch in Harry Reid’s general direction…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Harry Reid has a point. The Republicans overwhelmingly opposed civil rights legislation and they have lost the African American vote ever since, thereby undoing any positive legacy Lincoln may have left for the GOP.

“The problem with this “debate” all along has been that either you’re for it or against it. Without ever really debating the details or trying to make a really good bill.”

Exactly!

And — I am proud to note this — at NoQuarter we have dissected key portions of the bill and pointed out the terrible problems with the bill.

I am not a Republican, and I recognize that the motives may be in part obstructionist, but I am SO GLAD that John McCain and other Republicans are standing up for Medicare and its recipients — who will be horribly affected by the massive cuts to Medicare. I just pray that McCain et al. continue their fight to protect Medicare. Because the Democrats are USING Medicare like a cash cow.

Senator Reid needs to pick up a history book. It was the Democratic Party that was pro-slavery at that time and the Republican party that was anti-slavery.

Does that include all members on either side? But I’m talking about the majority here. MLK Jr. was a Republican. ‘Nuff said.

Why do you think African Americans vote 95+% for Democrats? It’s because the Repubs are against civil rights, not the Democrats. Which party do you think the Klan belongs to? Every African American in this country knows the GOP is hostile to minorities.

Oh, you poor ignorant sap. The Democrats were the Pro Slavery party. They still have one alive, Robert Byrd.

Read up and learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

Also, LBJ had to do some real arm twisting to get the Southern Dems on board. Anyone remember the southern resistance to integration? The terror and murders? That was led by Southern Democrats. I was alive at the time. I think that trumps wikipedia.

Apparently, the leader of the party that bought into “An Inconvenient Truth” hook, line and sinker now feels that it can dismiss inconvenient truths of American history. No matter how little you think of us, the American people are not fooled by you, Harry.

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was “historic”, too. “Historic” does not equal “good”.

Why do you think African Americans vote in excess of 95% for Democrats? As I have said, the GOP squandered Lincoln’s goodwill long ago when they overwhelmingly opposed civil rights legislation. There is no better proof than present day African American voting patterns.

Here are some staggering statistics from wikipedia on which party voted for civil rights act of 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)

Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)

Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)

omg lol I wasn’t going to even bother replying, but I couldn’t pass this up.

Did you even read what you posted?

Civil Rights Passed

By party

The original House version:[9]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[10]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version:[9]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

And Byrd was fighting that too!

Stop digging your own hole.

And, just to give you a slight pass, Harry Reid was talking about Slavery, not the Civil Rights Act. Either case, you lose.

Is it just me, or is the GOP women looking increasing like those on FoxNews or Tiger’s girlfriends? How about some real female role models like Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey, and Nancy Pelosi, instead of low IQ’d bimbos and former beauty contestants like Sarah Palin, Sue Lowden and Carly Fiorina?

That’s a comment that truly reveals your profound ignorance. Some guy named Lincoln (Republican) had a somewhat important role in abolition. I’m not sure FF, but there might be some information about him over at Wiki, but if not, I’m sure there must be an article or two on the man and his contributions.

In 1964 civil rights act, it was the Republicans in congress who had a greater percentage support for civil rights, while most of the numeric and greater percentage of opposition came from the Democrats.

Senate:
Dems. 46-21 (69%-31%)
Reps. 27-6 (82%-18%)

House:
Dems. 153-91 (63%-37%)
Reps. 136-35 (80%-20%)

Overwhelmingly opposed? That’s a lie, isn’t it FF? And you’re a liar.

Reid should just ‘fess up and say what he really means:

“Resistance is futile…”

I notice you failed to list the overwhelming support of the bill by the Northern Republicans.

A lie by omission is still a lie FF. As a whole, there was a greater percentage of support for civil rights from the Republicans than from the Democrats in BOTH houses of Congress, and the reason there were fewer votes from the Republicans was because there were a lot fewer Republicans, period. And repeating this historic lie as constantly as dickweeds like you do, won’t make it suddenly true.

I also wanted to point out your rather mendacious omission of the votes from southern Democrats.

So Dems:
Senate; 1 for, 20 against.
House; 7 for, 87 against.

As another poster here might write:

STOP THE LIE-FEST FF!

Jealous?

FF: Is that the best you’ve got? A woman’s looks as some sort of indication of her political and intellectual capabilities?!!
When you speak of low IQs I hope you’re including yourself since, obviously, you didn’t learn the language well enough to understand the meaning of plural in writing.

Real role models like Michelle? Are you serious? I prefer my role models to not be a white hater and to be thankful for affirmative action, which got her into schools she wasn’t qualified to be in, instead of acting like it’s all owed to her.

I’m sure each of the Palin/Lowden/Fiorina ladies will apologize first chance they get for being intelligent and accomplished and for the looks God gave them (unlike your role model, Nancy Botox Pelosi and thunder thighs Winfrey).

We all know what you look like…a loser.

Are you implying that good looking women are generally less intelligent, and shouldn’t be taken as seriously as less attractive women? That is a clear demonstration of your sexist bigotry, and what must be for you, a crippling stupidity.

I have had people question my intelligence to my FACE in the past due to my attractiveness (especially when I was younger, though I am still considered a “hottie” at almost 40) so your comment is absolutely offensive and sexist.

And my IQ is above 140.

Eff off.

Wow FF, you are really exploring new frontiers in stupidity. The Klan was/is mostly southern Democrats. Does the Name Robert Byrd ring a bell?

FF: Wikipedia isn’t considered to be a valid source of information in academia. Any teacher I have had in college disallows wikipedia as a valid source for a research paper. It’s a quick and easy way to get information about something that may or may not be true.

Anytime anyone sees wiki being used as a source of information, it is considred not to be necessarily correct.

I can only summarize that you come here only to put forth what you know is false in order to get the correct answer by those who take the time to give you the correct answer by replying to your posts.

I’m beginning to think that FF simply writes things that are intentionally inflammatory. I shudder to think that there could possibly be someone so monumentally dimwitted walking around out there.

Actually, Reid DID claim that the Republicans filibustered the 1964 civil rights bill. But 80% of the filibustering was from the Democrats, and Byrd personally filibustered for 14 hours against the bill.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703558004574583980985617954.html

You got it. He/she likes to come here to drop his s**t. His/her comments are so silly that you can’t ascribe any other reason.

I was in an integrated R&R band in the South in 1971. I remember firsthand the intimidation and treatment by the Southern Democrats in the police force. Things were very bad and scary for us, but very educational. Been there, done that- got the tee shirt in every size and color. Intimidation is a very old tactic. It doesn’t matter which group is doing it- it is always wrong. BTW- still waiting for the ERA….

You are right, AnnieC. The comment made me angry and I was about to respond and then thought better. What is the point, after all?

Glenn Beck just started. The best thing I can do to FF is tell him/her I would rather watch Glenn Beck then read his/her s**t.

Wonderful!

IALT, thank you so much for these figures. What is your source? I was taught in law school that, the prohibition against discrimination on the basis of sex got into the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because southern white D’s who rejected a prohibition against discrimination on account of race, too scared to publicly proclaim such opposition, added in the category of gender. They were certain, their male colleagues would not vote for a bill that would place women on a more equal economic footing.

Do AAs own the term -civil righters? Noone else has ever fought for rights of people?

What about al the female Suffragetters , the British Ant-slaverers, the philosophers , Ghandi , Mandela , Mother Theresa , Princess Diana who touched Aids sufferers with an ungloved hand etc

Did not emancipated Aas go kill off Native Americans -who surely had superior claims to living in the US?

The republicans had no opportunity to join in the crafting of this bill.
The legislation was written in the privacy of Reid’s domain, and geared solely to requests from his side of the aisle.
His insults are unlikely to endear him to members of the opposition, or to fair observers in the public arena.
They certainly turn me off!

FF, LBJ needed Republican support for civil rights legislation because so many Southern Dems opposed it.

I suggest you brush up on the history before making stupid remarks.

BTW, there are growing numbers of black conservatives in this country, who do not buy into the Far Left schtick. And Dems showed their true colors last year when it comes to women’s issues–all talk, no walk. Certainly not opposed to calling women of any stripe filthy, disgusting names. And then, there’s Stupak and running side deals on women’s reproductive issues.

Yeah, liberal women like myself just love that.

Expect the backlash. Because it’s coming. And for all the years I’ve supported the Democratic Party, I have no sympathy at all.

As far as your all-inclusive statement on the AA community, as if blacks only have one mind, one viewpoint. Gee, the last time I checked Michael Steele was black and a conservative. As is Thomas Sowell. As was MLK. And many other AA notables.

As one of our NQ regulars would say:

Stop the lie-fest!

Glad you brought that up . wiki is a temporary check -not a source.

Yesterday I was thinking of Biafra & looked up Wiki to see the numbers /% of Igbo (Biafran ) dead.

Not ONE mention . Yet some military freak had put all the stats in re soldiers ,planes etc.

All those fotos of staving children homogenised by a wikier. Genocide wikied away.

Oh, I see, FF. Now IQ is attached to party affiliation.

How utterly scientific of you!

Carlaforhillary:

FF has used Joy Behar [comedian from the View] as a reference in the past.

So, wikipedia is a step up for poor FF.

Actually, Joy Behar used to be a public school teacher. It’s nice to see you have such low opinions of teachers.

We most certainly do have a low opinion of THAT former teacher. Pity her poor students.

Ha! I spit on your proposed role models, FF!

Bill O’Reilly was also a teacher. So, I gather you respect his opinions, as well, FF.

You seem to be completely dismissing the entire point of the article. Reed is blowing smoke out of a certain orifice! Yes there were indeed unscrupulous, immoral sycophants who opposed ending slavery. They were known as Democrats at the time. Just like now there are indeed knaves employing all manner of skulduggery. In an attempt to impugn anyone voicing opposition to this scurrilous excuse for a health care bill. In fact, if you look back a month or so into previous posts here concerning this bill. I think you will find that I called it dead on back then. This will be nothing but a gift for the insurance companies at the expense of those who can least afford it. The “public option” is now a “public plan” that will be run by the same corrupt insurance firms that are fighting against interstate competition. So the poor and elderly will get even less care, while the entire nation pays out the ass to fund the health care overhaul. I could write a more comprehensive, more effective and cheaper health care plan in less time than it would take you to read the table of contents on this P.O.S!

Bulls eye! Good shot Peggy Sue!

I’m not talking stats. I’m talking what I lived through. Many black folks became Democrats during that era due to JFK. I was there. Stats don’t reflect the atmosphere in the country at that time. As I have told you before LBJ, a Southern Democrat, used arm twisting and threats of lack of party support to get many of those votes. It wasn’t due to a sudden revelation that they were wrong.

Why do you think the South went Republican? Because many of those Dixiecrats switched party rather than stay in the party that pushed through Civil Rights.

LBJ himself said, after forcing the Bill through, we’ve lost the South. He was a Democrat. I doubt he was talking about the Republicans. Wikipedia and stat all you want. I lived through that era. But what would I know? Guess I never saw and heard all of those Dixiecrats protesting, threatening lives, and in some cases taking lives.

But you and Wiki have stats. Guess that trumps human experience during certain times of history. But I bet you don’t dispute what Roman or Greek historians wrote because they were there. Hmmm.

Heh, heh, Ginger. I really try to skip right over FF. He adds absolutely zero to the conversation. He/she is an immature $8/hr bot. Observe the rule for bots online and simply talk amongst yourselves…ignore, ignore, ignore. Certainly makes for a more tidy, smell free site.

Yes, Sassy. Half the country voted Republican and none of the people with Republican Senators or Reps have any representation at all. We don’t want our congress people disenfranchised; they were voted into office to work for us too. This is so sickening to see the thugs stealing the country; on the good side, they own it 100% and they will pay dearly for their arrogance. I absolutely do not want one party in charge of all 3 branches of government. But they’ve made it pretty hard not to want Reid to lose his election. Nazi will never be voted out in CA but she can lose the Speakers seat with a Republican majority…also I don’t want 0zer0 to have a 2nd term but there we go again. At least with a Repub win in 2010, he can be stopped…if the opposition is vigilant.

Do you really think that the House and Senate are just making this stuff up on the fly as they go along? Do you know how many health policy and health economists have been studying health systems and health care reform over the past 40 years? Are you aware of the number of graduate programs in health services research that exist in the US? Do you honestly think that the systems of other industrialized nations haven’t been studied? Just because the “experts” at NQ, who’ve been studying health care reform for the last 3 WHOLE months, haven’t been consulted by Congress doesn’t mean that the bills are wholly flawed. Democracy involves compromise (a concept that escapes NQ loyalists who are mainly energized by their hatred of Barack Obama) and unfortunately, with the likes of the angry tea baggers goading the minority party, whatever bill is passed will have flaws. Oops, I forgot that now its all the Democrats’ fault. Because you said so.

Here Here! Good Looking Women unite.
I am freakin’ sick of the double standard!

Carly Fiorina recently went through chemo for breast cancer you f’king idiot. She’s looking fantastic after all that and anyone who can get herself up and keep plugging after cancer and can still look good should be given 100% support for looking great as cancer a survivor. Obviously you’re totally clueless and f’king ignorant as to how tremendously tough cancer treatment can be on one’s body. Those survivors who put on a great face and look good do so at incredible willpower to stay strong. So why don’t you crawl back to whatever hole you came out of and stop ragging on people who make an effort to look like a human being.

I totally agree Linda. I always thought that Fraud-in-Chief is one of the most thin-skinned people I’ve ever seen.

That was my thought too – just a new way to all us “racist”….

Maybe if you post the same info with a manly name he’ll give your facts some credence… remember, he’s a child of Obama… sexism isn’t far away…

Didn’t you realize that Obama-worshippers can’t be racist? (/sarc)

Bless your heart and LOL! I do believe you are correct.

ff you have gone from bizarre koolaid drinking to loonie toons comedy material.

elizabeth, dang girl you need some help.

no ff, i have a low opinion of joy behar or better known as joy blabbermouth. and i am a former teacher, so deal with that.

DIE, HARRY, DIE !!!

However, one could say Sen. Reid is correct as: When one does not have an option to choose there is Slavery. Id est, my dears, ” Do as I say, or else.”

Wikipedia!!!!

Geez… FF, you deserve an F.

That is much closer to the bone.

The 2009-10 fiscal Democratic Platform, as evidenced by their actions:

(1) Adopt entitlements we can’t afford, while ignoring the funding for the ones we already have.
(2) Don’t do anything to p-off the trial lawyers or big Pharma.
(3) Criticize GWB for wasting money in Afghanistan all the while sending more troops over.
(4) Adopt legislation to coerce the U.S. into alternate energy sources to profit the new elite, and ignore and cover up any scientists or other professionals who have evidence that disagrees with yours. Rather than debate them, simply attempt to marginalize and ignore them.
(5) Adopt a legislative technique that consists of ramming your own bills through, table anything the Republicans propose, and then immediately turn around and mock the Republicans for not proposing anything!
(6) Etc.

What a very hateful group of people. This is way beyond the pale. Hope it ends soon or we’re done for as a country.