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Palin v. Obama

By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on December 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM in Current Affairs, Hillary Clinton, Media Bias, Media Handling of Story, President Barack Obama, Sarah Palin

* BUMPED UP *

Oh, this is good. You have probably have heard now that Obama’s approval numbers are down to 47%, but what you haven’t been hearing so much about are whose numbers are up. This headline pretty much says it all, Shocker Polls: That Sarah Palin-Barack Obama Gap Melts To 1 Point. The author can barely keep the snark out, but that doesn’t change the numbers:

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, look what the pollsters just brought in.

A pair of new surveys revealing that President Obama is still declining and has hit a new low in job approval among Americans just 56 weeks after they elected him with a decided margin.

And — wait for it — Republican Sarah Palin is successfully selling a whole lot more than books out there on the road. Even among those not lining up in 10-degree weather to catch a glimpse of pretty much the only political celebrity the GOP has these days.

First, el jefe. Facing double-digit unemployment, rising spending, deficits and Afghan war casualties plus a keystone but stalled healthcare reform effort that caused a rare Sunday presidential visit to Capitol Hill, Obama recently fell below 50% job approval for the first time.

Then, last week’s deft dance of rhetoric over sending reinforcements to Afghanistan but, on the other foot, bringing them home quickly maybe gave him a brief boost. That, however, collapsed with equal rapidity.

Obama’s new Gallup Poll job approval number is 47%. Last month it was 53%.

Regular Ticket readers will recall how in this space in late November we pointed out that Obama’s closely watched job approval slide was coinciding with Palin’s little-noticed rise in favorability. And it appeared they might cross somewhere in the 40s.


What you cannot see is the description of that article in the link “not-that-it-matters-politically-because-shes-a-republican-idiot-and-hes-a-democrat-geniusbut-sarah-palins-poll-numbers-are-climbing.” Uh, yeah. Like I said, some major snark, if not a downright condescension. Gee, where have we seen that before? Oh, I know, with Hillary.

The author is then forced to type out these words:

Well, ex-Sen. Obama, meet ex-Gov. Palin.

The new CNN/Opinion Research Poll shows Palin now at 46% favorable, just one point below her fellow basketball fan.

(The same poll, btw, has bad news for Dick Cheney-haters; the outspoken former VP has climbed out of the 29% basement, back up to 39% now. How do you suppose he’s done that without a new book? But that’s another story.)

Not that either Palin or Obama will admit caring about such trivial things as disparate political polls….

…1,071 days before the 2012 election, when Republicans will have the concept of change on their side. Obama’s camp is already using the looming Palin pall as a fundraising tool. Never let any potential threat go unmonetized.

The new numbers seem to indicate that despite oft-cited predictions about the dire impact of Palin resigning her Alaska governor’s job in July, a lot of people who don’t live in Alaska (and, come to think of it, most people don’t live in Alaska) don’t seem to care. She wasn’t their governor then and she still isn’t.

Never mind that she had an extremely high favorable rating while governor. If memory serves, the highest of any governor in the country. Indeed, her ratings were int he 90′s. Not even Obama, at his most messianic, ever had THOSE numbers. But hey, why let facts like this influence the author of this article?

And speaking of her being governor:

Palin’s low favorable poll point of 39% came right after the midsummer resignation and she’s been slowly climbing since, fueled by media attention, eager reader response over her book contents, her tour and the spontaneous outpouring of support at her carefully-calculated bus stops along the way — 31 appearances in 25 states, many of them politically crucial.

Imagine what critics would be saying now if Palin was neglecting her elected Juneau job to sell books in the Lower 48 and talk to an elite club of Washington journalists, if there is such a thing.

Oh, I think we know what they would say – same kind of crapola they say anyway. Ahem:

The view, Palin told the capital’s Gridiron Club Saturday night in her self-deprecating and at times pointed remarks (full text right here), is a whole lot better from inside the bus than from under it.

Palin critics — and, by golly, there still are some, believe it or not — say that she’s a polarizing political figure.

And they’re dead-on correct: 46% like her (including eight of 10 Republicans), 46% don’t (including seven of 10 Democrats) and only 8% are undecided (no doubt including many who’ve been living underground since John McCain unveiled his VP GOP running mate in Dayton, Ohio, some 15 months ago).

Uh yeah, I am sure this is SUCH a surprise to her detractors – again, just like Hillary! They are amazed that a lot of people actually like her. Huh, imagine that:

But here’s the fascinating, little-noticed catch:

The very same polarization now holds true for Obama, the fresh fellow from the old Chicago Democratic machine who was supposed to bring hope and change to a nation tired of divisive politics and the harsh partisan tone of Washington.

Fully 83% of Democrats approve of him, but only 14% of Republicans do.

Among independents, who provided the crucial winning boost for the Democratic ticket in November 2008, Obama’s support has melted to 42% today, in large part over immense spending and deficit concerns.

And as political veteran Dave Cook points out over on the Vote blog, just since last month, 3% of Obama’s own Democrats have abandoned his ship, another 4% of Republicans and fully 7% of independents.

Other recent polls have shown Republicans leading for the first time this year on the generic congressional ballot and self-identified Republicans closing the gap with self-identified Democrats.

I am seeing a correlation here – the more Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are on tv, the lower the ratings go. That’s my theory anyway:

Meanwhile, Palin continued her book/celebrity sales tour across the heartland, stopping Sunday in — oh, look! — Iowa. “No politician comes to Iowa by accident,” Republican strategist Tim Albrecht told AP’s Mike Glover.

More significantly, Palin was in western Iowa, which is ruled by the Republican Party, which in the Hawkeye state these days is ruled by conservative evangelicals, who form a large chunk of Palin’s evolving base. As another ex-governor, Mitt Romney, learned to his dismay in the 2008 GOP caucuses won by another ex-governor (and Baptist preacher), Mike Huckabee.

Obviously, not every politician visiting Iowa each election cycle ends up running for president. And not every Iowa winner collects the big prize. But no one gets to the White House without going to Iowa. Which Palin has now done on her own. Purportedly selling a book. (Andrew Malcolm)

Here’s the thing – perhaps, despite the best efforts of the MSM to malign Palin, just like they did Clinton, people aren’t buying it anymore. The similarities between the two woman are glaringly obvious to me.

And something else that is glaringly obvious to me is that the more Palin talks, the more people like her. The more Obama talks (the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk), the less people like him. People are seeing through the media manipulation. They’re not buying what people like Malcolm is selling, at least not anymore. That’s bad news for Obama, and good news for Palin. Maybe after her (very funny) speech at the Gridiron Dinner, the media may just turn around and start seeing what others see in her.

Just like Hillary. The media portrayed her in such a disparaging way, but as she campaigned around the country, people started to realize the media was woefully out of touch with who she is. When they heard her, they liked her, and in some cases, like mine, adored her. No matter how they tried to tear her down, people realized that there is nothing like seeing the person with their own eyes and listening with their own ears. The same seems true with Sarah, too.

Kinda makes you wonder just who the “idiot” is now, doesn’t it?

  • carol haka

    Let them call her anything they want, because sooner or later, they WILL call her “Madamn President”!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

    And, the joke will be on them.

    • ladydawnelle

      10-4

      I concur!

    • Onofre’s arm

      Right now the polls are essentially even. Can you imagine the huge lead Palin would have if the MSM had treated her with the fawning adoration they gave Obama, and if they actually did some critical digging into Obama’s background and scoured all the dirt from his fingernails? It wouldn’t even be close.

    • tillthen

      Oh, Please God, make it happen and make that POS Indonesian citizen evaporate.

  • donjo

    Replacing Fric with Frac won’t help this country one damn bit. We need a responsible and strong third party candidate who is enamored of becoming a celebrity. Hell, we need a decent third party. Period.

    • donjo

      Whoops; ISN’T enamored with…

    • tek

      donjo: totally agree. Palin would be another high-handed, high profile disaster.

      • don tufts

        so if sarahs the gop nominee in 2012 against the one we should ensure another 4 years of the one by supporting a third party?thanks but no thanks.
        same goes for the midterms next year especially since the most important act we will do next year is to stop ms botocx and mr dingey.

      • lark

        I don’t understand why a person who essentially acted as an excellent governor and has an excellent record of decision making can be viewed as a high profile disaster.

      • tillthen

        Sounds like Hillary Clinton. She had one of the strongest political strongholds in a 100 years in her corner and she let a Community Organizer derail her and hubby Bill. THAT is what you call a high profile disaster. I love to hear Charles Krauthammer describe it in his own words. L,L,LMFAO.

        Sarah will be just fine, and knowing that is what’s gnawing at the heels of the Democrats and the Hillary idolators; and why is anyone still a Democrat?

        Sarah is strong enough to be an ‘independent’ within the Republican Party, just as she was in Alaska. She will kick ass, no matter whose it is.

        • lorac

          She LET a community organizer “derail” her? Did you think she was supposed to have special powers over an enamored media and cheating DNC??? There were calls for her to drop out starting with the first caucus – anyone else might have quit, anywhere along the way. Hillary kept fighting to the end. I don’t believe she LET Obama win cheat.

    • felizarte

      Replacing Fric with Frac won’t help this country one damn bit. We need a responsible and strong third party candidate who is enamored of becoming a celebrity. Hell, we need a decent third party. Period.

      A third party would ensure another Obama term.

      • elizabethrc

        Absolutely true. It’s premature to think that a third party has garnered enough support throughout the country. The time is coming, just not yet.

        • Doc99

          Among Independents, Rasmussen found that a fictional Tea Party polled better than either the Republican or Democrat party for 2010.

      • Betty

        That’s what you guys always say!
        There-by insuring a fric/frac (Dem/Rep) monopoly.
        I don’t know if, and I hope you can’t, take the steam out of the tea party this time.

  • beachnan

    I can hardly believe that 83% Democrats still support the flim flam Prez. I am still a registered Dem, and nobody ever asks me what I think of the current President. I really wish they would.

    • Ferd Berfle

      You should leave the party as I did after 32 years. There’s only so many times they can urinate on my leg and tell me it’s raining before I take a hike.

      • sowsear

        I quit the Dem party last year and I quit AARP during the prescription flap several years ago.. I only wish I could quit them both again.

        • Ferd Berfle

          I only wish I could quit them both again.

          LMAO. I left the AARP, too. They still call and I still curse them and get a great deal of satisfaction out of so doing. They can call Oblockhead if they need money.

          • donjo

            Hey, at least they publish a decent magazine.

    • Freedom Fighter

      It’s funny how you guys always say I am crazy for still supporting President Obama. Well, the vast majority of Democrats still support our CiC as well. The only reason you guys think Democrats are souring on Obama is purely due to the echo chamber effect.

      • Ferd Berfle

        And then you woke up, free-dolt. Try peddling your shoddy wares down on skid-row. I’m sure all your friends there will chip in.

        Let us all know when do you graduate from middle school, child.

      • Peggy Sue

        No, FF. You’re bring totally disingenuous. I read the Lefty Press and Far Left blogs and there is plenty of angst and disgust with Obama and the Congressional Dems right now. Health care, Afghanistan, the economy and the most recent DOJ filing of an amicus brief that would protect John Yoo et al.

        The echo chamber is yours, French Fry. It ain’t working.

        • Freedom Fighter

          The poll said over 80% of Democrats approve, I am not sure how I am being disingenuous. I never said they are 100% satisfied with everything, but overall, they approve of what he has accomplished.

          • lee12

            FF

            No. They don’t approve because what he has accomplished is completely contrary to what the Democratic party has stood for.

            My entire family were Democrats have been Democrats for several years but this election season was the final straw. I would rather support the Republican party (if no other) because at least with them I know what I am getting, as opposed to supporting a candidate/(party for that matter) who is a two-face lying hypocrite.

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              Here’s what I think is up with the 83% approving Dems. Anybody who is truly sick of Captain Kumbaya became independents, like myself and a whole bunch of others.

              Also, it’s self-identified. At this point who wants to be associated with Kool Aid drinking 48%DeadEnders and Pelosi/Reid psychophants? What’s left are 83% supporting Kool aid swilling party hacks who will vote for anybody as long as it has the big D next to the name.

      • Sandy

        Those Democrats in disguise have no idea what a true Democrat really is. I would love nothing more than to rejoin the Democratic party, but until they get rid of the imposters and start being the party of the people, I am done with them. Some day you might wise up and leave too.I was a Dem 41 years, and I walked away May 31,2008. I will never forget that day as long as I breathe!!!

        • Freedom Fighter

          I bet you weren’t a very engaged Democrat. You pulled the lever every few years and that was your extent of being a Democrat. I can’t envision someone who shed blood, sweat and tears for causes they believe in, would just walk away after 41 years.

          • Peggy Sue

            I can’t speak for Sandy, but I can speak as a life-long Dem myself, who has family connections with the Democratic Party that are much older than I am.

            I didn’t leave the Party. The Party left me and many other loyal party members, those with feet on the ground, regular money in the coffers, the phone-bank sally types. We don’t even recognize the party we once knew.

            So, before you make assumptions about which you know nothing, go crawl back inside your echo chamber and keep repeating “hope and change.”

            It hasn’t worked yet. But you never know.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            It was made easy to walk away by the DNC’s actions in engineering Obama’s nomination by violating their own rules of procedure.

            It was the same as an abused person finally walking out the door. All it took was one last slap in the face.

            Don’t ever pretend to be psychic, FF. You simply don’t have the gift.

          • tek

            FF: you show your own ignorance by making such statement, probly some college kid, wet behind the ears. Young Democrats have no idea what “engaged” even means. We fought in the trenches for this country and ended up with a Manchurian Candidate.

          • elizabethrc

            Apparently, FF, your tolerance level for lying, cheating, hypocritical, incompetent president O is greater than most. More’s the pity because you are locked in a time warp while more and more Dems are waking up and choosing to rethink their decision to support The One.
            You seem to suffer from the same delusions as Obama when you tell Sandy that you know what kind of Democrat she was for 41 years. The difference between the two of you is that she is a realist, you’re a dreamer. Move on.

          • Sandy

            You are so wrong. I voted every election, and volunteered for candidates campaighns, as did my parents. I learned my party loyalty from them, but party loyalty only goes so far when you see with your very own eyes that the Democratic imposters don’t care about loyalty, honesty, or fairness. As I said before, when they clean house in the Democratic party, then, and only then, will I consider returning to the party. If you can’t see what that party has become, you have totally lost touch with reality. My parents did not raise me to sit on the sidelines and not participate, or speak up when something is not right, and I won’t start now. BTW, my parents, grandparents,most of my relatives have been lifelong Dems, and they have all left the party.Now, don’t be so quick to assume you know anything about me, because you are completely off the mark.

      • jbjd

        FF, I hand-delivered a letter to NP in 12.08 asking on what documentary basis she signed the Certification of Nomination explicitly swearing BO is Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, which Certification she submitted to HI election officials to get his name printed on their ballot. She ignored my request. Several voters asked co-signer Alice Germond, Secretary of the DNC Services Corporation on what documentary basis she signed the Certification, asserting rights to view these documents the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”). She forwarded these requests to Joseph Sandler, General Counsel to the Corporation. Mr. Sandler replied to these voters, the DNC Services is not a government agency and, as such, is not subject to the FOIA. But he failed to answer their question.

        FF, stop pretending BO’s Presidency is anything more than smoke and mirrors for the agenda of the people who fraudulently installed him into office. This house of cards is one revelation away from falling down, taking you and other revisionists with it.

        • ladydawnelle

          W00T!

      • mountainaires

        Hey, “Fighter,” the proper acronym for Commander in Chief is CinC [as in "sink"], not CiC [as in "sick"].

        Then again, “CiC” [as in "sick"] IS more apropos of O.

        Carry on…

        ;-)

        • ~~JustMe~~

          LOL mountainaires thanks for the class ;)

  • candymarl

    I understand that Palin is a conservative. What I also noticed is that when she was Governor she followed the wishes of the people despite her personal views. Gay rights being one of them. Funny how Obama disillusioned the GLBT community and does not support their views. What a surprise after campaigning with McClurkin and friends.

    Obama also supported the war in Afghanistan. He said as much and his supporters are still surprised?

    I understand supporting a candidate. Heck I was all for Hillary. But at least Hillary told people that if elected she may do things that are unpopular. That’s about as honest as any politician gets.

    It’s funny how some Progressives slammed GWB for being a rich elite type. Palin comes along from a middle class background and she gets slammed for that. Funny that. Bill Clinton, Rhodes Scholar, came from humble beginnings. Bill, while not perfect, did a good job as POTUS and worked hard.

    The MSM job is to present Palin as an attractive bimbo. Hillary was too old and not attractive enough. Palin is too young and too good looking.
    But I’m sure there’s no agenda there.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Since those in the MSM aren’t exactly competent themselves, they certainly don’t want competence in the government. HRC is so intelligent, she scares the crap out of the likes of Tweety, Olberdud, and his ilk. That One, being most certainly of lesser intellectual capacity, gets a pass as the MSM only has to put him on a pedestal, pretend to adore him, and he’s silly putty (with emphasis on silly) in their hands. He uses them and they in turn use him. It’s a symbiotic relationship from the heretofore unknown 8th circle of hell.

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      She is a convservative, but even in issues of choice, she is not the exrteme right-winger she has been portrayed as being. She supports the morning after pill AND birth control. I know the new DNC chair is anti-choice – I wonder if HE supports the morning after pill, too? Just a thought.

      Again, don’t agree with a lot of her positions, but I appreciate that she at least seems willing to engage in dialogue. That’s more than what we have had for a long while…

      • hokma

        And if things cold not get worse for Obama, the polling now shows 44% of Americans would want Bush back:

        http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

        Ex-Presidents usually go through a period of “rehabilitation” if they leave in an unpopular way. In Bush’s case he doesn’t have to do anything – Obama is doing it for him.

        I wondered yesterday what would have been different with HRC:

        1. There would not have been a reckless spending bill at the outset and instead a more responsible jobs creation policy.

        2. There would have been a bi-partisan commission on health care reform to arrive at responsible and effective measures that would have been completely supported by Americans and not rejected by 65% of independents.

        3. There would have been no apology tour and instead a real return of respect from the world.

        I am sure there would have been many more differences, but there is one more: she would have been re-elected.

        • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

          Amen, Hokma – you said it, especially abt the re-election aspect!

          I saw upthread that 44% of those polled would want Bush back? Now that REALLLY says it all (I’d far prefer to have a president in whom I could believe, and you know who THAT would be – Hillary!)

      • mountainaires

        Not only that, but she also waged war on the Oil Lobby in Alaska to the benefit of the Alaskan people. She stood up to her own party to do it. That takes guts–inegrity, ethics–remember those values? We don’t see them anymore from most party members on either side. We’ve NEVER seen them from Obama, in fact.

      • Doc99

        Also, remember, Gov. Palin did have prenatal diagnosis and did choose to have Trig. She’s actually more pro-choice than many.

        • NomNomNom

          but she’s less pro-choice than the current law. that’s a step back, not a step forward re-choice.

          • carol haka

            I actually think there are many more serious issues facing this planet than whether or not someone can conveniently terminate their baby because they were too careless to use birth control. And, Sarah has the spine of steel to handle those issues in a way that will benefit us all greatly.

            Stop the abortion debate – it’s boring and rhetoric. Think of your reproductive rights before you drop your panties – it will work out better for all of us – problem solved.

            CAROL HAKA :evil:

            • Onofre’s arm

              Thank you Carol. The “Pro-choice” position is also largely a “Pro-irresponsibility” promotion. What you wrote is blunt, but honest, and needs to be pointed out.

            • NomNomNom

              get fucked, I had a tubal years ago, I’m not remotely worried about myself, re- having an unwanted pregnancy.
              I was commenting on someone’s opinion of Palin and choice, but you didn’t have a problem when someone else mentioned abortion first, did you? Because that’s not really the issue, it’s nonsupport of your wingnut idol. Go pee on yourself elsewhere, clown.

      • trixta

        RR, also Palin appointed a woman pro-choice judge over another woman anti-abortion judge last year. She’s not the extremist some paint her out to be.

        • jwrjr

          Palin said that she is personally “anti-abortion” but chooses not to impose that on others. Such a person deserves support.

  • ahs

    What’s the split between their unfavorables? I’ll bet a ten against a twenty that it’s a lot bigger than one point.

  • ahs

    Now that I think about it, you’re comparing apples and oranges here. You’re talking about Palin’s favorable ratings and Obama’s job approval ratings. They’re different measures. You can like a person without liking the job they’re doing, vice versa, etc.

    Obama’s recent favorability ratings are here:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_favorableunfavorable-643.html

    Most recent is a Bloomberg — 58% favorable, 38% unfavorable (+20 net). Seems a touch too kind to Obama, but absent any other recent polls on the subject, that’s what we have. Compare to Palin, at 46-46 favorable-unfavorable (+0).

    I should note that the reason I don’t (and can’t) link to a Palin job approval rating is that she doesn’t have a job.

    • Freedom Fighter

      The AP journalists that fact checked Sarah Palin reported that she was not honest about many things. Like for instance, she expensed her family’s travels and stayed in nice hotels, even though she portrayed herself as a Motel 6 kinda governor. She also took rides in private planes during her so called bus book tour. Heck, she doesn’t even know where Africa, or Russia is on a map, if I were a woman, I’d be embarrassed. And finally, can anyone imagine the shape of our country if Palin, God forbid, is the CiC right now?

      • Peggy Sue

        And check out the entourage President Obama decided he needed for for his European trip:

        “The presidential posse of 500 includes a crush of staffers, a six-doctor medical team and 200 secret service — even Michelle Obama will travel with a staff of eight that includes her secretary, press officers and body guards, the paper reported.”

        During the worst economic tailspin since the Great Depression. Great example to the American public, particularly the unemployed and homeless.

        Sarah Palin’s expenditures were that of a pauper in comparison. And please, many, many people were embarrassed [if not enraged] by that “kiss-your-toes” bow in Japan.

        Broken promises and fibs? A contest between Palin and Obama?

        I’m not a Palin supporter, but you really don’t want to go there.

        Link here for the quoted material above:

        http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/archive/Obama-Entourage.html

        • Freedom Fighter

          If you want to talk about broken promises and fibs, you should check out Andrew Sullivan’s blog. He’s been chronicling all of Palin’s lies. Last time I checked, it was up in the hundreds, he might be up to 1000 by now.

          • Peggy Sue

            Oh yes, that fountain of truth and guidance, Andrew Sullivan.

            You must be kidding!

            • trixta

              Yeah, A. Sullivan was soooo in love with GWB at on point. He always gets it wrong.

              • trixta

                [i.e. "...at one point...."]

          • donjo

            If she keeps it up, she’ll eventually surpass the great 0.

          • Scout

            I’d check his blog if only he wasn’t a raving, delusional nincompoop.

          • Donna Brazile

            Gosh darn Freedumb! Just when I think you can’t get any lower on the IQ scale, you manage to find a new low.

            Kiss Bill Maher and Keith O a little harder next time.

            Stop the stupid fest and go back to a real school.

          • stodghie

            now ff your nurse is looking for you. she found your meds when the resident dog started acting funny and barfed them up. now cooperate. i told nurse rachit where she could find you.

            • lorac

              ROFL

              FF won’t get the reference, but I (we) do, and I love it!

          • lorac

            The very same Andrew Sullivan who spent how much time and money insisting that Sarah’s baby was really birthed by her daughter….?

            She easily provided the birth certificate. Guess it’s just too hard for Obama to do the same.

            But good old (Crazy) Andrew is still trying to prove it’s not her kid. Makes you wonder how he gets these ridiculous ideas… especially since we all know that women in their forties NEVER have Down’s babies….. sheesh…

          • TeakWoodKite

            FF Ouch! Nurse Rachet did a job on you tonight?

          • sybilll

            THE Andrew Sullivan, who wants to see the inside of Palin’s vagina? I gave you the benefit of the doubt……until now.

        • elizabethrc

          Let’s count the days before Obama is on some golf course in some sunny, warm clime.
          Lots of work to do, yes, but he won’t be the one who is doing it.
          I think he says or does something extraordinarily hypocritical each and every day. He thinks we all love his preciousness that we will give him a pass on any little gem he throws at us.

      • NomNomNom

        “if I were a woman, I’d be embarrassed.”
        As a non-Palin supporter, I find this curious.
        In the first place, both the assertions that Palin does not know Africa is a continent rather a country and that she can see Russia from her house are slanders. The first is completely unsubstantiated, and in the second case she said that one can actually see Russia from land in Alaska, which happens to be true.
        However, even if Palin did not know anything about geography, in what way would this reflect upon me, merely because we are both women?
        Are you ready to take responsibility for the actions and thought processes of all rodents men, then?

        • lorac

          And it was Tina Fey from Saturday Night Live who changed Sarah’s words to make fun of her, changing the words to “I can see Russia from my house” – which, as you point out, is not what she said. Obots can’t seem to grasp the difference.

      • jbjd

        Ms. Palin has demonstrated no disdain for the American people that comes close to equaling BO, who, admitting people have questions about his Constitutional eligibility for POTUS, posted a copy of a document on the web site he paid for which he ‘authenticated’ by referring voters to his former employer, Annenberg (PFC), on whose web site was posted a phantom* image of text they claimed was a contemporaneous birth announcement, notwithstanding they failed to name the publication. (*This image can only be viewed with the aid of a computer screen; and, once viewed, it disappears until the browser is refreshed.)

        • ahs

          Failed to name the publication? Ha.

          Honolulu Advertiser, August 4 1961. On microfilm in Hawaiian libraries. Get a plane ticket, go look it up. Hawaii’s nice this time of year.

          http://thebruceblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/view-obamas-birth-announcement-in-hawaii-newspaper-taken-from-library-microfilm/

          • jbjd

            ahs, you silly goose! How ridiculous that you (and your duplicitous colleagues) continue to substitute your fiction for the motivation of others, still trying to get them off the hook for conduct related to the 2008 election. It’s too late. The fraud has been exposed. APFC failed to name the publication they claim issued that contemporaneous birth announcement. Would you have us believe you know more than APFC? WH Counsel Bob Bauer, then Counsel to the DNC Services Corporation and Obama for America, who signed the pleadings submitted to the federal court in Hollister v. Soetoro, referenced this same ‘announcement’ on APFC – hell, he asked the federal court to take judicial notice APFC “not[ed]” this announcement on their web site – yet failed to name the publication. Would you also have us believe you know more than Bob Bauer?

            See, instead of chasing after manufactured fictitious internet ‘evidence’ offered by silly people like you to support the rationale offered by BO that he is Constitutionally eligible for POTUS; intelligent people are trying to compel state A’sG to respond to citizen complaints of election fraud, charges supported in part by Attorney Bauer’s deceptive practices in the federal court. http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/counsel-for-dnc-services-corporation-performs-3-card-monte-for-federal-court/

            • ahs

              I suggest you prove them wrong, then. You’re so invested in this, go pull the microfilm and show that the whole thing is a fraud. FactCheck does indeed include a date, and name the publication, in their story on this: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

              You’re just lying if you claim otherwise.

              You really hate that the birth announcement exists (I misspoke — it’s the August 13th paper, not the August 4th one), don’t you? Must just burn you up.

              Ha.

              • jbjd

                ahs, now, you make yourself appear mentally challenged. The APFC page you link is the same page I cited on my blog. Only, you miss the point of the text. APFC did not post a newspaper birth announcement from the newspaper you named. They posted an unaccredited image they said came from an anonymous source who said the image was from that newspaper.

                In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

                Obama’s birth announcement

                The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

                Now, do you get it? See, APFC found no actual newspaper announcement, or microfilm of a real newspaper announcement, or even an image of a real newspaper announcement that included the trademark name of the newspaper, indicating BO was born in HI. Instead, all they found was an image anonymously posted on another blog put there by someone who claimed this was an announcement of BO’s HI birth, which image s/he claimed to have found in a particular publication.

                I imagine the reason you continue to subject yourself to the ridicule you incur for propagating this tripe is that you find grasping at these fanciful straws less painful than having to concede, BO/BB/NP/APFC are all charlatans and you have been ‘punk’d.’

                • ahs

                  Set aside the question of who found it first, which is wholly irrelevant to whether or not it actually exists. C’mon, you know that.

                  You have a publication and a date (which you claimed factcheck wasn’t providing… oops). It would be simple enough to prove that it’s all false. Wouldn’t it? Then you’d have some serious ammo in your PR battle, and maybe you could get serious people to do something other than laugh at you, for once.

                  Except the thing is (clearly) you don’t even care whether or not it’s true. You’re just enjoying making a fuss,* and feeling important. I honestly suspect that secretly, you do believe that Obama was born in Honolulu, and you’re just grasping at all the straws you can because you don’t like the results of the (legally valid) presidential election.

                  For the final time: ha. Seriously; I’m genuinely amused by the convoluted reasoning on display in your work. Bravo.

                  *How much of a “fuss” it truly is, is unclear… kind of reminds me of the tree falling in the woods with nobody around to hear it.

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              Keep up the good work, jbjd. The move to have Bauer become WH legal counsel leads one to think that there’s closing of the ranks going on.

            • ahs

              think my reply got swallowed by spam filter — upshot was, check factcheck, because they did indeed name specific publication and date

              • jbjd

                ahs, on my blog, I cite APFC extensively when I reference postings from their site. And, generally speaking, APFC not only fails to accredit the publication they claim printed a contemporaneous announcement of BO’s birth; but also admits, the image of that supposed announcement they posted on their site was originally posted on the site, td (TexasDarlin), by an anonymous commenter. Are you telling us to ignore this admission by APFC that they stole the image they posted, which admission they printed on their web site; and, instead, to credit your allegation that, this stolen phantom image actually originated in fact AND, you can point us to the source of the microfilm that will prove your allegation (notwithstanding you did not provide either the image or the original source of that image, with accreditation)?

                Wouldn’t it be much easier in the long run, (albeit perhaps temporarily painful as hell), to concede you (and the millions of others just like you) were recognize when it comes to the ‘dreams’ of BO, there is absolutely no ‘there’ there?

                • ahs

                  Lets see if the spam filter will let this one through: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

                  “generally speaking,” that post cites specifically to the Honolulu Advertiser, August 13, 1961. End of argument.

                  Burden of proof is on you, counselor. Does that newspaper (which is available on microfilm in Hawaii) contain the birth announcement, or doesn’t it? If it doesn’t, wouldn’t you think that someone would have demonstrated that by how? FactCheck has had that post up for over a year, after all.

                  • jbjd

                    The burden of proof never shifts. The onus has always been on anyone claiming BO is a NBC to prove he is. However, I can prove, NP cannot have ascertained he is before swearing he is to state election officials to get his name on the general election ballot, based on documentation contained in the public record. As for the burden of production, well, you only claimed to have produced evidence of a bona fide newspaper birth announcement without having actually produced any such thing.

                    ahs, lacking intellectual rigor and authenticity, your continued defense of BO’s Constitutional eligibility for POTUS is now boring me.

                    • ahs

                      You don’t answer my question. Too bad, since it’s such a simple question.

                      Do you or do you not believe that on August 13, 1961, the birth of Barack Obama was announced in the Honolulu Advertiser?

                      If you do believe it, then why are we having this conversation?

                      If you do not, then why haven’t you gone to Hawaii to check the microfilm? What, you’re not willing to bet the cost of a plane ticket that you’re right? Not even for the sake of the country? Hmm.

                      You’re twisting yourself into (hilarious) logical knots in an attempt to prove that this birth announcement isn’t real. Why don’t you actually prove it?

                • lorac

                  Oooooh, FF, you have incurred the logic of an attorney. You better go hide now, before you dig a bigger hole for yourself!

                  • jbjd

                    lorac, you’re so funny. Actually, I revel in the fact that, the professional conduct of Attorney Bob Bauer, acting as counsel to both Obama for America and the DNC Services Corporation, has emerged as the Achilles heel in the election fraud committed by all of them. I find pointing this out to ahs, or FF, or any one of the several other scoundrels like these who appear regularly on this blog offering the last faint gasp of support for BO, an endless source of entertainment and amusement. Think of their presence this week as a Channukah present to me. (But I still feel sorry for any legitimate BO supporters who come here and are surprised to discover he was fraudulently elected, a fact conceded to one year ago now, in January 2009, in pleadings signed by his attorney and submitted to federal district court Justice James Robertson in Hollister v. Soetoro.)

          • Chelsea Patriot

            LOL!!! That address is utter bullshit!

            God-Hating Stanley Anne and her Stud, the Kenyan Goatherder/Prince never once lived togather!

            Which makes me wonder..Forget about where was Barky born, Where, in what “Do-Room” was your Messiah concieved?

            Uncle Frank’s living Room floor?
            The Janitor’s Closet after Russian Class?
            The Rec Room at Party Headquarters?
            Stanley Anne’s Favorite Ditch?

            • Onofre’s arm

              It’s blasphemy to speak of The Virgin Stanley that way!

              (I’m placing my money on Uncle Frank’s living room floor, the ditch is a close second)

      • elizabethrc

        FF If you were a woman, I’D be embarrassed!

        • Onofre’s arm

          If FF was a man, I’D be embarrassed.

          • ~~JustMe~~

            LOL whatever FF is seems vauge at this point in time.

            • jwrjr

              Charles Darwin would be terribly embarassed by FF.

      • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

        You know, there are just some times when a person cannot get where they need to get by bus in a timely fashion. TO attack Palin for that is just silly, IMHO.

        And where the hell were those 11 AP fact-finding journalists for Obama’s book (abt which I wrote recently)? He was conceived four years after he was born? Kennedy brought his father over two years before Kennedy was president? Now THOSE are whoppers of a lie, and you’re complainging abt Palin having to take a plane sometimes to get to her next book tour spot?

        That’s not even a double standard – they aren’t even CLOSE to being the same thing.

        WOW.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        OMG! She stayed at a Holiday Inn instead of a Motel 6!! How elitist can you be!!

        /snark

      • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

        “The AP journalists that fact checked Sarah Palin” – oh, you mean the same AP journalists who FALSELY REPORTED that Hillary had conceded on the last day of the primaries, apparently in an effort to dissaude people from voting for her?

        The same AP that has been in the tank for Obama since before he was nominated?

        AP has no credibility with me anymore…try again.

      • lorac

        FF, you need to stop getting your info from tabloids. She stayed in a fancy hotel ONCE, and she DOES know where Africa and Russia are. And yes, she DOES know what newspapers she reads.

        Heck, if you were a man pretending to have some knowledge, you should be embarrassed to be spouting twisted info from tabloids and YOUR echo chambers.

        What you don’t seem to realize is that people on this website NOW pay attention to both sides of the aisle (thanks to your friends at the RBC meeting on May 31, 2008). You, however, are still stuck in your ideology, and hence, are easily misled and manipulated. It’s affecting your ability to speak in truth.

      • lorac

        You had better hope that the MSM doesn’t try fact checking O’boy’s two books. From what I’ve heard from people who have fact-checked them, they’re WHOPPERS.

        Sarah’s book had, what, 7 mistakes in it?

        Obama will be in the high hundreds. Did you ever see the end of his tongue? I suspect it is forked.

    • mountainaires

      Her JOB APPROVAL RATINGS as Alaskan Governor were the highest of any US Governor–those numbers of course, escaped your pea brain.

      Again–Sarah Palin had the highest job approval numbers in the country as Governor of Alaska.

      And, right now, her favorable numbers are polling on a par with Obama.

      You can’t link to a Palin job approval rating because she “doesn’t have a job?” That is dismissive and arrogant, considering the millions of other Americans who don’t have jobs right along with her.

    • sybilll

      Touche’

    • lorac

      I believe that a main point of the article is that their trajectories are in opposite directions. Obama is sinking, and Palin is rising. Stay tuned.

  • Peggy Sue

    donjo said:

    “Replacing Fric with Frac won’t help this country one damn bit.”

    Absolutely agree.

    Apparently, we’ve learned nothing from the annals of The Cult of Personality. It’s not working for the Dems; it won’t work for the Republicans.

    But more importantly, it doesn’t work for the country.

    And though there are similarities in the way Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin were treated [Hillary got a double dose because the Republicans savaged her from the moment she stepped into DC politics, only to have her own party rip her apart], there is no comparison between these two women. It’s not even close.

    Sarah Palin might have done well as VP, where she could learn without doing much damage. But the WH in 2012 or 2016?

    She’s not ready in the same way Obama wasn’t ready. We’re seeing what inexperience brings to the table right now. The last thing we need is another President with training wheels.

    Is she likeable? Yes, but that’s simply not enough. There’s no way I want to hop from the frying pan into the fire. I’m hot enough already, thank you very much.

    • Freedom Fighter

      I don’t know how you can say she is likable if her negatives are so high. I mean that was one of the reasons the DNC chose to not go with Hillary in 08, because her negatives were even higher.

      • Peggy Sue

        Take a look at Hillary’s approval numbers now. Read ‘em and weep.

        And the DNC will forever be shamed by what they did to the best candidate the Democratic Party ever produced.

        Btw, my statement about Palin’s likeability is personal. I’ve always found her persona likeable. I just don’t think that’s enough for her to step in the WH. I don’t think she’s qualified in the same way I never thought Obama was qualified.

        And he’s proving my case.

      • beachnan

        It’s funny how the media tried to paint Hillary as unlikeable, I think she disproved that bullshit with her 18,000,000 (that’s 18 million FF, in case you haven’t learned that in school yet), votes in the primary. More votes than Obama, Mr. Popularity, got.

      • PO’dVet

        Hillary’s negative were manufactured by corrupt members of the DNC leadership. The same ones who violated their own rules to give Obama the nomination. As for Palin’s negatives, the majority of those are complete fabrications as well. And a few minutes of actual research with sources other than Obamedia would tell you that. Of course, if you had done any research on the One…you’d have known he was a liar and a thief long ago.

      • lorac

        FF, ever notice how it’s only female candidates who are deemed to be “divisive”….? Must be a coincidence that it’s only women.

    • NomNomNom

      agree, Peggy Sue
      and for my own part, there is another disturbing similarity between the two: a complete disconnect between their supporters and their candidates’ financial backers; backers with a well-established agenda greatly at odds with the speeches of the candidate.

      • lorac

        But is there anyone anymore who can become competitive while not having those out-of-step backers? I think it’s the system, and it sucks. We need to find a way to get money out of campaigns.

    • mountainaires

      We’ve ALREADY replaced Fric with Frac.

      We got rid of Fric when G.W. left office; his replacement, FracO, is now in office.

    • lorac

      My thoughts are that she seems to know a lot about energy and is good at standing up to power to do what’s right. Sure, she needs to learn more, but there are three more years before the elections.

      Also, a lot of people who aspire to the presidency start by running in the next race, assuming they’ll lose. But they’ll gain national exposure, and may even be selected as a VP. (Apparently, that was TheOne’s plan, until the powers that be decided to take over our democracy.)

      I would be comfortable with Sarah running, because I think one day she might make a good, even great president. I really like her “can-do” attitude (not just a “yes we can” slogan). I suspect she might be as hard a worker as Hillary. But, yes, Hillary knows a million times more info than Sarah does – but then, Hillary knows way more than probably everyone in Washington.

      Anyway, my point was, just because she runs in 2012, may not mean we’re going to get another inexperienced candidate as president. She may learn a whole lot more by then, or may be selected as VP, or just get a lot more national exposure for 2016…

      But I don’t want Obama again, and I can’t think of any other republican I’d want (not Romney, not another Bush, not Gingrich, etc). So, for me, if it’s O’butthead running again, I’d have to pick Sarah again. If Hillary runs – well, you know what I’d do!

  • ahs

    curse this spam filter… c’mon noquarter

    • I’m a Linda too

      I know what you mean.

      The only thing I know that nails me are capitol letters. Try and avoid them.

      did you send an email to Susan?

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent post rrra. Spot on.

    Yes, gee, even Hillary’s numbers are increasing as she does her good work…and…Obama’s just keep falling.

    And, the Democrats have lost 25 pts in the Generic ballot for Congress since the beginning of the year. OUCH! (snickering)

    Yes, the more people see, hear and watch Obama, he keeps losing.

    And I think you are also on with Palin’s rockin’ Gridiron presentation. Yesterday Sarah Palin’s OpEd appeared in WaPo and drew the ire of lefties, blogs and papers. Refusing to link to her story to “punish” WaPo.

    Then today Politico reported well Sarah’s snap reply to Al Gore. Oh and she was good.

    And the final capper for poll numbers and bad news for Obama? How bad do Americans now dislike Obama? Politico reports that even Barry is making the gap close for Bush. Asked who they would prefer? Only 50 pct chose Barry and 44 pct would pick BUSH! rofl

    • I’m a Linda too

      Oh and I forgot. She also received the “blessing” of Billy Graham, who is even admired and supported by the Clintons, let alone the wide group of faith/relgious supporters.

      Billy doesn’t endorse, stopped after hearing the Watergate tapes by Nixon, but he specifically acknowledges her deep love for faith and country and believe God is using Palin to wake up America. You can’t get much more of an endorsement than that. I first thought THAT was why Huckabee started backing away from a run, it still may be.

  • creeper

    I actually don’t like Sarah Palin’s folksy personality. I do like her record, both in office and in her personal life.

    Note to Obama supporters…you know what a record is, don’t you? No? Oh. Excuse the embarrassing question.

    • jwrjr

      How would Obots know what a record is? Obama’s record is a thin book woth blank pages.

      • jwrjr

        book with blank pages.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          there is no book so no pages needed.

  • Texas Playwright

    Go, Sarah!

  • beachnan

    I am still a registered Democrat, but I consider myself an Independent. I may change my registration, but I would enjoy voting against Obama, and I love returning their requests for donations with negative comments about the party and no money on their dime. Just my little way of getting back for their egregious actions in the primary, by promoting the empty suit and not backing the brilliant and fully qualified candidate in Hillary. I was loyal to that party for over 36 years, and now I wonder how anyone in their right mind can support Obama and what he is doing to bring this country down.

    • http://none BarryTars

      Sorry, Hillary lost. She got over it, and is doing more than fine. I suggest you stop the bitterness and see that in your angry view, either Hillary is a cynical political hack who signed on with Obama for mere personal aggrandizement or hope for a miracle (I don’t buy that for a minute) or she realized she was mostly in concert with the ideas and philosophy of Barack Obama and is happy to be a full part of his administration.

      Both can’t be true. I think it is the latter. And if you really respect the woman, and you seem to, then you’d show much more respect for Obama.

      You can’t hate Obama and respect Hillary.

      • Peggy Sue

        Barry said:

        “You can’t hate Obama and respect Hillary.”

        Yes We Can!

        • ~~JustMe~~

          BarryTars

          UGH hate hate hate.

          It’s hate? it’s all about experience and who was competent for the job @ hand.

          and what’s with this Hillary lost?
          There is a huge difference between losing a fair race and being robbed and cheated !

          ROBBED & CHEATED!
          YES SHE WAS!

  • candy

    Holy Cow! That response to Gore is Amazing! This woman is awesome! She’s taking on Gore…the Word, the Divine Deity on environmentalism…she’s got galls. Love it.

    I used to really admire Gore for his work in environmental causes, but a couple of years ago, when I found out (source not from any published media but direct personal involvement) that he doesn’t actually lift a finger to help environmental problems in parts of the world like China or India, or anywhere else unless he’s paid a minimum of $300,000 speaking fee, I became quite disappointed in him.

    Then over time, way before Climategate, the whole environmental movement lost me when they seem to focus all on carbon carbon climate change. The things that I worry about–pollution, waste, chemicals, mountain tops, contamination of our oceans and waters–none of that ever seems to be mentioned. I couldn’t understand why they keep talking about polar iceburg melting in 25 to 50 years, but don’t seem to care (or just pay lip services to) more immediate destructions of rainforest and other animal habitats. Those are to me so much more immediate. Plus all the supposed scientific data were getting so complicated and impossible to prove, I did start to ask myself, how do I know that what they are telling me is true? I really have no way of knowing. Well now we know why—it’s surreal that what the people on the other side were sayin all along: just follow the money.

    I left the group think environmental movement long ago, but instead do my own things that I care about to better the environment. But it’s still shocking and dissapointing to find out that the whole thing is a sham.

    • http://none BarryTars

      Palin taking on Gore “awesomely?” That is a dog catches car scenario. Palin is on record saying 180 degree the opposite to what she says now on climate change from just a year ago. She has no idea one way or the other since she hasn’t got the smarts to judge it either way.

      And there is no science or credibility in taking the part of climate deniers, who are barely above holocaust deniers on the food chain. Gore nailed her with one quip. I’d kill to see them debate.

      This is not serious thinking. Palin is not a serious candidate and denying warming is not serious. This is the LAST thing America needs right now.

      • Onofre’s arm

        My twelve year old could take down Algore in a debate about the natural world. For instance, my son laughed out loud when I showed him the clip of an arrogant Algore proclaiming that “Just two kilometers down, there are rocks that are extremely hot, millions of degrees hot.” My son said to me “If that were true Dad, we’d all be toast”. And I told him “If the warmist loonies have their way, common sense will be toast”.

        • Docelder

          Yep, actually Al Gore could take on himself. That is why he usually just says the debate is over. Because, he really doesn’t have the first clue. Because he has never had to have a clue to be the green god. Two kilometers down the temperature is millions of degrees hot? There are 30,000 feet oil wells. 30,000 feet is 9 kilometers.

          http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/magazine/15-09/mf_jackrig

          • Onofre’s arm

            Hey Doc,
            We really need another thread on the global warming hoax. Here’s a great article about the subject that is twenty years old, and the prophetic accuracy of it is amazing when we can now see how the author’s predictions have come to pass. I think NQ should post the entire article as a “Then and Now” comparison. The author clearly lays out how the radical, misanthropic, Luddites would establish and promote a fear mongering global hoax that would be based more on faith and dire predictions than actual science.

            http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/environmentalism-freedoms-foe-for-the-90s/

            Let me know your thoughts on the article Doc. For me, the author did a far better job of predicting the future behavior of the agenda driven econazis, than all of their models did at predicting future climate trends.

            • Docelder

              That is one of the best articles I have ever read not just about global warming, but really maybe more about human nature itself. I think this is the larger battle… those of us who believe we have the GOD given right to be here on this planet and to be fruitful and so on versus those of us who believe otherwise. Everybody should read this, and really think about it more in terms of human nature and not politics. This line caught my eye.

              So the basic division within the environmental movement is between the Greens, who want to rid the planet of rich people, and the Deep Ecologists, who want to rid the planet of people, period.

              This goes beyond politics. It is interesting the idea that this movement is maybe amplified in effect with the fall of communism. It is almost that if we no longer have fears or enemies that for some reason we must create them. Thanks.

              • http://none BarryTars

                Global Warming a Hoax, LOL? Just like tobacco didn’t cause cancer and lead in gasoline and paint didn’t affect children. Industry denied those, had their own “scientists” and had a large number of unsophisticated people buying their propaganda. Real scientists and real science won the day, because they were dealing with real data and real health impacts, and so are climate scientists today.

                The idea that thousands of scientists, NASA, dozens and dozens of governments, could be engaged in some nefarious conspiracy without a word of it getting out is beyond laughable. It’s like the holocaust deniers: no proof, no argument, just emotional refusal to admit the truth.

                Al Gore would crush Palin or your misinformed kid like two week old grapes. He actually thinks, considers facts and scientific consensus, has real data, and the undeniable weight of the climate science world backing him up.

                The proof of how totally the denialists can be dismissed from serious consideration is in their contempt for science. Any serious person would be concerned when thousands of scientists, endless papers and research projects, all indicated a warming planet with CO2 increases a a key cause.

                At the very least a serious person would be concerned and want to have it very carefully studied and followed up. Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham, Pete Domenici, John McCain all don’t dispute warming and are concerned and honorable adults. They know this is no hoax and that dismissing science is a prescription for primitivism and ignorance. They are better than that.

                Denialists dismss it all, Nobels, thousands of studies, their own eyeballs (glaciers melting in Montana, Africa, etc.) and reality.

                Warming Denialism is just like Intelligent Design: not science, but mythology.

                Palin a year ago: “Global Warming is man-made.”
                Palin today: Denier.

                She isn’t serious, smart or worth one minute of the nation’s time. Al Gore has accomplished more in his life than she will in 8, if there is reincarnation. Palin may believe in that too.

                • Onofre’s arm

                  The supreme irony here is that almost the entire AGW movement is the result of junk science, not proper science. Most of the so called models and predictions actually represent a huge departure from the real and verifiable tenets of scientific procedure. True science is not consensus, and it is certainly not predictions.

                  It is simultaneously laughable and sad when fools like you BarryTars have fallen prey to con artists like Algore and James Hansen. You’ve got your examples reversed! Devotion to AGW has more similarities to a religion, than the well founded skepticism based on sound science. You warmist weenies are more like the flat earthers or intelligent design nitwits, than the AGW skeptics are. The most devastating criticisms of AGW have come from world renowned scientists and experts in the field, not discredited data fudgers like the clowns at East Anglia. And the alternate natural explanations for climate fluctuations offered by them have a more solid and compelling set of data to support them.

                  Einstein said that it didn’t matter if hundreds of people believed him, it only takes one person to prove him wrong.

                  And no, Algore wouldn’t stand a chance against my twelve year old in a debate about the natural sciences, but he might beat him in a contest in playing dead. Algore’s a natural at that.

                  And since it is the AGW cultists like you who are more dogmatically religious in your particular devotion to a farcical man made global meltdown, there can be no reasoning with you, because faith by it’s nature has no tangible proof, so a proof based debate is impossible.

                • lorac

                  Oh, so she’s SO dumb that she can’t learn, but if she DOES learn, she’s just a flip-flopper?

                  As Donna Brazille would say: STOP the double standard-ism!

                • lorac

                  BarryTars, I think you are a dinosaur who just crawled back up out of the tarpits. Your ugly classism is showing again.

                  Why do you and yours say that racism is bad, but classism and sexism and race baiting – they’re your favorite forms of “argument”….?

                  What’s up with that? It’s really UGLY and hypocritical.

                  Maybe if you get reincarnated a few times, you’ll have enough time to examine what’s wrong with your heart and mind.

                  • ~~JustMe~~

                    they’re your favorite forms of “argument”….?

                    It’s a sport to the likes of Barry Boy!

        • ziggy

          It was a simple verbal slip, as anyone should realize. Al was momentarily thinking about his home planet, Vulcan.

          • Onofre’s arm

            Really? Then who was it that told him “I think you’ve spent too much time on Uranus.”?

            Honestly ziggy, if Algore could be so completely wrong on a matter of simple earth science, how the Hell can he be considered an oracle on the much more complicated issue of climate? His movie is a long and dreary fear-fest of one expanded lie after another. Here are 35 of his lies exposed with greater clarity than ANY of the muddy promotions offered in support of AGW can match

            http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

            • ziggy

              Even the brightest and most well-informed people occasionally misspeak. That doesn’t refute the enormous volume of evidence for anthropomorphic global warming any more than a handful of cherry-picked sentences lefted from thousands of stolen e-mails.

              Who should I think most reliable?

              A majority of the world’s scientists who are concerned about the future of the planet, or the disinformation campaign of special interests, concerned about their profits?

              The only thing open to debate is the most effective response. I’m beginning to think that cap and trade should be dumped in favor of massive investment in alternative energy technology.

              • Docelder

                cap and trade should be dumped in favor of massive investment in alternative energy technology.

                Yes Ziggy, but that is implying that the goal is to reduce carbon and not to reduce industrialism or to reduce people. If you haven’t already, read Onofre’s link. It is twenty years old, and is really a lot deeper than just AGW. But it is really well done and thought provoking. Especially to those of us who lived through that time and remember it well. I remember people “not eating meat” and “not wearing leather” as almost “me too” fads people did for a while and then they gave into a coney dog or a chili burger. Stewardship of the Earth is different from radical environmentalism.

                • lorac

                  Well, SOME of us still don’t eat meat or wear leather. But it was for our own moral code relating to sentient creatures, not simply for the environment, and definitely not a fad :)

                  25 years and counting! :)

              • Onofre’s arm

                The “enormous volume of evidence for anthropomorphic [sic] global warming” doesn’t really exist ziggy. The data is at best indeterminate, and at worst, grossly manipulated to imply AGW (anthropogenic global warming). But since belief in AGW has now become more a matter of faith, than a scientifically considered phenomenon, there can not be a reasonable debate on the subject. The introduction of faith into the conversation derails the possibility of an argument based on logic alone. I’m afraid that until the ignorant and easily manipulated hordes realize that AGW is a false God, it’s not worth the time of the countless well qualified and highly credentialed scientists who recognize AGW to be a hoax, to attempt to deprogram the brainwashed warmies.

              • Onofre’s arm

                Admin: SPAM ALERT!!

                • Onofre’s arm

                  The spam filter really has become a potential reason to abandon this site.

            • ziggy

              The Science & Public Policy Institute has received substantial funding from Exxon-Mobile, as have those affiliated with the organization. The institue was set up using a $100,000 grant from Exxon. They tend not to mention their industrial or political connections.

              • Onofre’s arm

                Why not argue the merits of the scientific facts and data ziggy? Are you such an ass that you won’t even consider the well reasoned exposure of Algore’s many lies because Exxon may have funded the findings? I’ve read most of the prominent studies that were produced by the highly biased and politically motivated bunch that have crafted those dubious models and predictions, and they represent a complete departure from basic scientific methodology, and an utter disregard for the proper consideration of any plausible alternative explanations.

                Are YOU a scientist? I am! I’m a geologist and a biologist, and I’ve poured over so much information on this subject that it would make your head spin. AGW, by any OBJECTIVE perspective, is a fraudulent mockery of the scientific method, period! The peer review process became an incestuous, self serving, propaganda generator for a movement more interested in drastic societal change, than they are in the facts. The warmist faction also set out to silence any opposition with thuggish tactics, rather than engage them in meaningful debate. If their theories are so solid, why do they refuse to expose them to critical deconstruction? All of the warmist icons, from the hockey stick graph, to the melting ice caps, are being proved as outright lies, but to the scientifically naive masses, years of apocalyptic predictions are difficult to shake off, no matter how ridiculous and baseless those predictions are now shown to be.

                GOOD FOR EXXON! I don’t care who pays for it, if it’s the truth, it needs to get out.

                • ziggy

                  I’m no scientist, only a reasonably intelligent and attentive layman. I suppose one of my fundamental difficulties is a long-standing distrust of large corporate special interests and their obvious tendency to fund researchers who produce conclusions that benefit them.

                  The minority opinions that have resulted have been greatly magnified by their systematic broadcast across the internet and through the media. To me it seems as if corporate special interests are countering the majority opinion of climate scientists with a public opinion campaign.

      • lorac

        The last thing America needs right now is YOUR classism.

        Classism and sexism are WRONG – and against Dem party ideals – you must be part of the NEW democratic party, whose rules are oh-so-different. Clean up your OWN house.

        You guys dirtied it up too much, so we’re gone.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    It’s interesting that the Obama supporters conveniently forget some of his gaffes during his run for president in the primaries. One of the more memorable ones was his comment about “57 states”. His campaign said he was tired but I think that the man literally did not know how many states are in the Union. Can anyone imagine what would have happened if Sarah Palin had made a comment like that?

    I’m still a democrat but voted solid “republican” in Nov. 2008 and even campaigned for local republican candidates – a first for me. I of course supported Hillary and campaigned for her in the democratic primaries and caucuses. I think Sarah Palin has a bright political future. I don’t know if she’s even thinking of running for president but with her star-power, she certainly could help bring in big bucks in fund-raising for candidates. I personally like Sarah Palin. I think she has good political instincts, is hard working, strong, and sincere. She also seems to be a “quick learner”. I am impressed how she balances work and family responsibilities. No easy task these days.

    To be honest, with the way things are going in this country right now, if the choice for president in 2012 was between Obama and Palin, I would not hesitate to vote for Palin.

    • jwrjr

      And unlike Palin, Obama’s gaffes were not made by an alledged comedian pretending to be him.

      • ladydawnelle

        right ON!

        mindless loony (looks like an ostrich) lemming left

        as sad as the

        righteously ignorant indignant extreme right

        neither willing to OPEN THEIR EARS and listen!
        or LOOK something up beyond their choir preaching websites and TV news channels

  • Tony C

    None of this ought to surprise anyone. Obama sold himself as a post-partisan moderate, who was going to collaborate with the GOP, find common ground and govern from the middle. He just hasn’t done any of that. The economy is falling apart and he is seen as either (A) making it worse with whatever he is doing, or (B)ignoring it and pushing his agenda on Health Care and Cap and Trade ahead. This is going to infuriate an electorate who is feeling betrayed and are losing their jobs.

    His GOP critics said he lacked experience and so far, they look quite right.

    In an odd way, the more Obama fails, the less likely it is that the country will vote in another President with a light resume, even though Palin did run something and ran it quite effectively. More than we can say for Obama. But I am referring to the Sarah Palin of today. The Sarah Palin we will see in 2012 is going to be sharper in her presentation, crisper in her delivery and focused in her message, resulting from three years in “the weight room” of politics.

    • http://none BarryTars

      Not even slightly accurate, Tony. In case you had conveniently forgotten, two things:

      1) The Economy was TRASHED before he set foot in the White House. His extension of the TARP and auto bailouts coupled with steady treasury policy and the stimulus, took a near Depression and brought back confidence and breathing space. Even the Wall Street Journal gives him credit for 3-4% added to the GDP.

      So Obama’s handling of the total GOP conflagration of America’s economy has been quite reasonable.

      2) Please, the idea Obama is the one who has refused to work bi-partisanly is one of the all-time kneeslappers. Nobody is that gullible. The GOP decided to oppose anything and everything he did, irrationally and to their own detriment. It may excite a few teabaggers, but nobody else.

      The early obits the right desperately throws up on blogs and chat boards for Obama are simply wishful thinking by a lost and dying party, he is is vastly better shape than the GOP or conservatism in general. The health care reform is so mild it squeaks, and the man is finrly on his feet and will be in the clinch. He just delivered a great speech in Norway even Gingrich liked.

      By all means, sharpen (fatten) Palin up and let her take over the GOP. It would be the Dems dreams come true. Frankly I don’t see any GOPer save one who could give Obama a run in 2012. And he/she won’t run.

      And that is good news for America.

      • creeper

        The Economy was TRASHED before he set foot in the White House.

        Here we go again…it’s all Bush’s fault. How long will it take before you hold the administration in power now responsible? Two years? Four? Or will we have to suffer through eight years of Obama before you finally concede his incompetence?

        Even the Wall Street Journal gives him credit for 3-4% added to the GDP.

        Big surprise. The WSJ would sooner stop its presses than acknowledge the contribution of actual workers here. Increased productivity (on the part of a labor force scared spitless of losing what jobs remain) is what accounts for the relatively tiny increase in GDP. If you want to give credit for it, start with Joe the Plumber.

        http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-productivity-rises-64-fastest-in-6-years-2009-08-11

        • ziggy

          The economy was trashed before Obama took office. Whether someone blames Bush or not doesn’t alter that obvious fact.

          Two addition facts are that republicans had control of Congress for 12 continuous years through 2006, and that a republican occupied the White House for 8 continuous years through 2008. The democrats had a majority in the House for 2 years, but had to contend with a president who worked around legislation by way of executive orders and signing statements.

          The GDP rose during the Bush years as the debt skyrocketed and a number of bubbles inflated. What also inflated dangerously was economic instability.

          Sometimes I almost wish the democrats had lost in 2008. Then the republicans couldn’t have shifted blame for the consequences of their own policies. The downside might have been a total catastrophe, however.

          • ziggy

            …two additional facts…

  • http://none BarryTars

    Larry, we love you, but your Pain fixation is a reputation lowerer, Obam may not be blowing anyone’s skirts up right now, but he’d wipe the floor with Palin, who has the IQ of a frutibat, and that’s obvious to ANYBODY. REALLY obvious. Not even close.

    Palin has gotten some cheap shots, and she was partly driven from office, although it seems clear now she wanted to start cashing checks as much as being harassed. And she raises a few good issues.

    But on a par with Hillary? Or Obama?

    Seriously and singularly unconvincing. I think the sooner you drop to Obama hatred — perhaps you were sure to get a job under Hillary — and get back to the hard headed analysis we love you for, the better.

    Hillary made her peace with Obama leading the Democrats, not her, to her credit and benefit. You should as well. This is eating you up and this Palin flirtation is proof. All you are going to do is make yourself a teabag outpost.

    Said with love.

    • thinker

      With whom would Obama wipe the floor? he lost every single debate to Hilary and he is yet to make a truly moving and insightful speech without the aid of a teleprompter. In fact, he continues to stammer and stutter his way through every public encounter if his feisty teleprompter is turned off, and he has made no effort to wean himself away from it (assuming that he could). It is truly amusing that you continue with this myth that he will somehow demolish even a marginally intelligent opponent in a one-on-one forum when he has yet to demonstrate that he is even capable of speaking publicly without reading someone else’s words from a prompting instrument.

      • lorac

        Notice the crickets, creeper?

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Hey, 48%DeadEnder….give it time. The media is losing all credibility by proping up the ObamaChrist. Their criticism will become meaninghless once Obama goes down the tubes and the GOP takes on seats in 2010. But hey, enjoy the DailyKos 48%DeadEnders circle jerk while it lasts.

    • I’m a Linda too

      Oh goodie, another sexist who wants to play the “dumb woman” card while playing the Obama “get in their face” “intimidate, demean and name call” card.

      Uh…who is trying to raise money against Palin?

      And we all k n o w Obama sucks.
      ..for us who paid attention though, not a surprise. The loser never accomplished a thing but Hustling for votes. lol

      Sarah Palin’s record on all her man executive jobs, like Mayor and Governor will trump Obama’s pathetic record that for the first time he will have to run on his own record. This will be fun.

      But awe, go ahead and name call, that’s about all you have.

      …and Congress is down 25 pts. lol

      • I’m a Linda too

        Oh, excuse me, I should be clear. Democrats in Congres are down 25 pts…from the beginning of the year.

        • ~~JustMe~~

          Bet ALL women are really happy Obama is not blowing up any skirts? What a damn awful line to add to your defence of The One!

          Make sure you keep your balls in line!

      • ziggy

        I’m not clear how bailing on one’s job as governor to go on a book promotion tour will trump four years of on-the-job experience as POTUS. She chose a few million dollars in books sales over completing the job she was elected to do. Here’s the full transcript of her resignation speech:

        http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/full-text-of-palins-resignation-speech.php

        Try reading it and finding some good reason for not fulfilling her end of the deal, if you can.

        Falling democratic polls are a direct reflection of two things: the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression; and a continuous, escallating, no-holds-barred negative propaganda campaign conducted on FOX news and the internet, which began long before the 2008 election.

        The endless, droning repetition of negative messages–which are the equivalent of a billion dollars worth of free negative political advertising–takes a heavy toll on more than the polls. They lower public confidence not only in our elected officials, but in the the likelihood of economic recovery. They’re working for failure, because only in an environment of failure can the minority party get political traction.

        Patriotic, do you think?

        • Docelder

          trump four years of on-the-job experience as POTUS

          Bush had eight years experience. That is why people thought Obama was hope and change, because he was new, Because he was a different color, and because he was a democrat this time. Now he’s not new anymore, the color thing is no longer a novelty and the democrat tag is going to hurt him next time around. Just as people married McCain to Bush, Obama is now married to Nancy and Harry is now his quirky brother in law.

        • jwrjr

          “bailing on one’s job as governor to go on a book promotion tour”? You are jumping to a convenient (wrong) conclusion. She resigned on the hope that the haters would quit sniping at her and her family. That was overly optimistic, but she had to try.

    • lorac

      BarryTarrs – your ugly classism is showing again.

  • ziggy

    2012; Obama vs. Palin…

    That would be the guy you think is an unqualified, insubstantive illusion vs. the woman we think is an unqualified, insubstantive illusion.

    • Peggy Sue

      That would be the no-win situation I’d face in 2012, ziggy.

      Which means a third party vote, a throw away. But if it’s an Obama/Palin line-up, I’d have no choice. And frankly, I’m beginning to wonder if any candidate would offer a “choice.” Only more of the same old, same old.

      Maybe we should demand a vote on Wall Street since they appear to be running the show right now.

      • NomNomNom

        enough 3rd party votes at least guarantees matching funds for the 3rd party in the subsequent election, so it is not a total loss, unlike voting for someone one knows is a tool.

      • jwrjr

        The World knows that Obama is an “unqualified, insubstantive illusion”, while the Obamacrats think that Palin is an “unqualified, insubstantive illusion”. Hardly an even comparison.

  • Sassy

    One segment of Morning Joe today discussed recent polls.
    The BO love fest is still on with African Americans and Hispanics, but college educated whites are now bailing along with blue collar whites.
    Sarah Palin is a force to be reckoned with! She is a breath of fresh air in the smog of D.C. dead-lock.
    The intelligensia may smirk, but the unwashed masses out number them!

  • http://N/A breeze

    OBAMA NOW PLEADING FOR MONEY TO FIGHT SARAH PALIN

    LATimes
    November 20, 2009

    Never shy about $eeking money, Democratic President Obama’s Organizing for America is now using the threat of Republican Sarah Palin as an opportunity to acquire more.

    It has just sent an e-mail out to its millions of supporters today pleading for urgent donations to fight the mother of five, now on her heavily-publicized, cross-country book promotion bus tour. She holds no political office currently; in fact, she’s among America’s unemployed, though doing quite well financially.

    Perhaps you’ve heard a little something about Palin in recent days.

    The former governor of Alaska has written a book called “Going Rogue” that details her experiences in last year’s presidential campaign, her values and thoughts on various issues.

    • http://N/A breeze

      MORE…

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-money-sarah-palin-going-rogue-book.html

      ————————————————-

      SO….WHO’S SCARED OF WHOM?

      ROTFLMAO!!!

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      AH, must be why we have new Obots here today. Axelrod has hired more people at 5 cents a post to try to create the illusion that Obama still has support among the left.

      • sybilll

        That is so true. But, if you go to real lefty sites (i.e. DU) and see the discussions about Obama’s job performance, it is dismal at best. At one point on the day of the Afghan escalation annoucement, there was a 2012 poll that had Kucinich up 2 to 1 over Obama. Soros may not run out of money, but Axelrod will run out of sycophants.
        As for Sarah, I’m all in! Whoever here coined her as our *Arctic Fox* should take a bow!

    • Docelder

      President Obama’s Organizing for America

      Now that we are all organized… Where’s the jobs? I know, they are all in China and India. I wish he would organize over there for a while. We are just about organized out here at home.

      • jwrjr

        Organizing what for America? Destruction?

    • lorac

      ROFL! And the bots here are doing their classist best to prove they WANT Sarah to run, b/c Obama would trounce her. Whenever they say that, it only tells me they’re actually scared. If she weren’t some kind of threat (whether as future candidate, or simply someone willing to stand up and call him out on his s.h.i.t.), they would be ignoring her. And now Obama’s asking for money to FIGHT her? ROFL He REALLY doesn’t know that the campaign is over, does he? What a joke he is.

  • Helen

    For me, the really good news is that people are buying her book. It’s a good read, but most importantly it lays out the facts about her as Governor, about her executive ability and non partisan style of administration. But not only will they have that information, they will recognize how much the media misled them. She accomplished two things with the book, got her story out and that only put the spotlight on the media. Beautiful!

    I was a Hillary supporter, but remember being impressed with Gov. Palin when I saw her interviewed on the PBS NOW program. (It was about energy policy. ( The interviewer was the wonderful Hinohosa sp?) This was well before the political campaign, and I thought she should be a potential candidate for VP.

    My dream ticket for 2012 is Clinton/Palin. It would work. And thanks to the Democratic Party at the Convention, and all the women and men who chased Obama’s skirt, Hillary is free to do what she wants. She doesn’t owe them a VP choice.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    HAHAHAHA! Mention Sarah Palin and the creepy bots come out from under their rocks. Love it. I’d love to see her take down the little sissy bots and their criminal fouling the WH.

    Why waste your time here when you could be talking to your choir at Huffpo and DK? Not likely to change any minds here. We’ve been through too much with your stinking fraud.

    • Docelder

      The truth is they are scared of Palin, because she is one of us, and they are scared of us. They are afraid we will see the emptiness of their god named science and that we will see the futility in their dreams to implement a single government Utopia where everybody composts, eats rice and rides bicycles. Finally, they are afraid that we will find their religion of humanity a false religion based on a opposing beliefs that on the one hand we don’t deserve to be on the planet with bugs and animals and on the other hand that since we are, that we should worship our own divine human gospel.

  • Obamao

    2 years of raising him up and 1 year of beating her down and they are at the same approval rate.
    Jokes on them.
    I expect her next book in 12-18 months full of policy and her vision for the country.
    Go Sarah.

  • mountainaires

    Hillary was right; Obama wasn’t ready to be President

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-12-11/hillary-was-right/full/

  • I’m a Linda too

    Breaking
    Sarah Palin makes surprise last minute stop at the Tonight Show with Conan tonight. Great little skit…with William Shatner.

  • Bob

    Palin would be a huge mistake for the Republicans to nominate and would sure make a sorry President. Put someone in office that has actually had a job. Please……………