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Barack Obama, General Disaster?

This is mind boggling. This defines a level of incompetence that is genuinely frightening. What is “this?” News from earlier this week that on 8 October, while General McChrystal was briefing Barack Obama, Joe Biden and National Security Advisor Jim Jones on the “CONOPS” (i.e., the Concept of Operations) or CONPLAN for Afghanistan there was this startling exchange (as reported in the Washington Post):

In June, McChrystal noted, he had arrived in Afghanistan and set about fulfilling his assignment. His lean face, hovering on the screen at the end of the table, was replaced by a mission statement on a PowerPoint slide: “Defeat the Taliban. Secure the Population.”

“Is that really what you think your mission is?” one of the participants asked.

In the first place, it was impossible — the Taliban were part of the fabric of the Pashtun belt of southern Afghanistan, culturally if not ideologically supported by a major part of the population. “We don’t need to do that,” Gates said, according to one participant. “That’s an open-ended, forever commitment.”

But that was precisely his mission, McChrystal responded, enshrined in the Strategic Implementation Plan — the execution orders for the March strategy, written by the NSC staff.

“I wouldn’t say there was quite a ‘whoa’ moment,” a senior defense official said of the reaction around the table. “It was just sort of a recognition that, ‘Duh, that’s what in effect the commander understands he’s been told to do.’ Everybody said, ‘He’s right.’”

“It was clear that Stan took a very literal interpretation of the intent” of the NSC document, said Jones, who had signed the orders himself. “I’m not sure that in his position I wouldn’t have done the same thing, as a military commander.” But what he created in his assessment “was obviously something much bigger, and more longer-lasting . . . than we had intended.”

Actually it was not Jim Jones who had signed “the execution (sic) order.” The correct terminology is EXECUTE ORDER. Here is a relevant section from the DOD manual governing how military decisions are made and communicated:

General. Phase VI, Execution, begins with the decision to execute an OPORD, normally transmitted by a CJCS execute order, and continues until the crisis end state is achieved. The execute order establishes a firm C-day and L-hour for deployment and details any significant changes to warning order and alert order guidance. Upon receipt of the CJCS execute order, the supported commander issues an execute order to the subordinate commanders. The JPEC then makes any required adjustments to its OPORDs and updates movement requirements in the TPFDD if required by the latest guidance. Supporting commanders and Service component commanders will execute the deployment of the first increment of scheduled movement. Scheduling and movement of subsequent increments of forces will continue for the duration of the operation. At execution, visibility must be maintained over the deploying force. Proper allocation of TPFDD requirements to carriers and adjudication of planned versus actual lift are necessary to ensure a smooth, controlled deployment in consonance with the supported commander’s concept. To be successful in this task requires a coordinated effort by the entire JPEC.

Stan McChrystal is no fool. He is a professional Army officer on par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton. When he receives an execute order from the Commander-in-Chief he is responsible for delivering a CONOPS aka Concept of Operations, which explains how he plans to implement the Commander’s order. The assumption is that the order originated with Barack Obama and was communicated to McChrystal by the Execute Order from the Joint Chiefs of Staff (signed out by SecDef Robert Gates).

These morons in the White House are issuing orders and not paying attention to what they are ordering. This is beyond amateurish. This is negligence and incompetence. The Washington Post reports it in such a “mater-of-fact” manner that I am sure the average reader did not appreciate the magnitude of the mistake. I am currently at Fort Bragg, North Carolina and the Army officers I’m talking to are genuinely appalled by this news. They have never seen anything this clueless from the chain of command.

This is not just the fault of Obama. He is being poorly served by his staff, including retired Marine General Jim Jones and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. They write a Strategic Implementation document and then do not remember the content or the directions to their commander in the field. This is inexcusable and should scare the living hell out of every American. The Commander-in-Chief is a shallow clown who apparently forgets the content of the orders he issues on a critical national security matter.

  • Patrick Henry

    Thats the CIC,,,Slip Sliding Around..

  • TeakWoodKite

    As they say Mr. J; shite rolls down hill. It is BO’s to own. What caught my attention is a caviler dis-interest in national security.

    “If they didn’t support the decision, he was going to issue another decision” until there was unanimity, a senior administration official said. “But it was his assessment that everyone could and should get behind it.”

    If it is one thing a POTUS can not afford it is to decide by consensus. You take the facts as they a presented and decide.
    I had to read this link twice to get the quote;

    “Is that really what you think your mission is?” one of those in the Situation Room asked

    ===Would not Jones not know what it is called or is that the urban recap from the writers of the article? Kornblut is not a bad journalist.
    OT Larry, on a topic that you covers airline security, How about that TSA crowd? Any comment on the play book being disclosed?
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/tsa-leak/

  • Tammy

    All I can say is, “duh”.

    Obama is an utter moron. A figurehead.
    More like a bobble head.

    He doesn’t give a shit about the wars that our men and women are involved in.
    My guess is that he secretly hopes that we LOSE the war. America bad.

    Of course the Army officers you are talking to are appalled.

    Again, “DUH”

  • AF catfish

    He doesn’t care what’s in the health care bill, just pass it and he’ll call it victory, he told Rep. Conyers. Conyers is pissed enough to tell the press.

  • Peggy Sue

    I don’t understand Jones’ wobbly statement about McChystal taking a “very literal interpretation of the intent?”

    What other interpretation would there be other than “literal” on a mission statement from the Commander-in-Chief? Creative, cherry-picking?

    Or am I reading this incorrectly?

    We should be afraid, I suspect. Very afraid.

  • jwrjr

    Look in the multimedia dictionary for “incompetent” and find Ozero’s picture. However, “incompetent” barely begins to describe the Obama Monarchy. This level of mismanagement has to be either gross stupidity or intentional. I wouldn’t rule out “intentional”.

  • Retired

    As I said a couple of months ago, McChrystal is acting in the erroneous belief that his mission is to defeat an enemy in the interests of the United States. It is not.
    McChrystal’s mission is to provide a political context for the re-election of Barack Obama.
    It is just a matter of time before McChrystal relizes this and either resigns as a matter of honor or is replaced as a matter of political expediency.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    I remember a debate between Obama and Hillary back in the winter/spring of 2008. She blew him clear out of the water with her knowledge of foreign affairs.

    Looks like from then to March 2009 Obama never bothered to study up on his most important (duh!) foreign policy issue: Afghanistan.

    According to the WaPo article, as of October 2009 he was trying to use his self serving ‘eloquence’ to rework his totally uninformed mission into a wording that would match his new status as nobel peace prize winner.

    That’s what you get with a narcissist in charge. Shame on all the s t u p i d people who voted for this i d i o t.

  • AF catfish

    The one who gave the first unachieveable mission was the president, the WaPo article says:

    Already briefed on the previous day’s discussion, the president “looked at it and said: ‘To be fair, this is what we told the commander to do. Now, the question is, have we directed him to do more than what is realistic? Should there be a sharpening . . . a refinement?’ ” one participant recalled.

    Said a senior White House adviser who took extensive notes of the meeting: “The big moment when the mission became a narrower one was when we realized we’re not going to kill every last member of the Taliban.”

    Sounds to me like everybody was freaked the president wanted to defeat the Taliban, but the only way they knew how to correct him was through all these leaks.

  • Peggy Sue

    Oh, that makes me feel a whole lot better, catfish :0).

    No one’s willing to tell the President with the training wheels on that he’s wrong or off-the-mark? And so they resort to leaks?

    Bring out the clown cars.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Bring out the clown cars.

    There all in Cope in Hoggen, no can do :)

  • Patrick Henry

    To follow that “STAR”..
    it gives them “HOPE”..

    Blessed are the “Peace Makers…”

  • Peggy Sue

    Hahaha, Teak. You’re probably right.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    Can this president be impeached for “gross incompetence”? I know – it’s not going to happen now but what if the dems lose their majorities in both houses of congress come 2010? Gosh, how many people would have to be impeached before we could get Hillary as president?

  • wbboei

    Dear President Obama,

    My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

    I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

    One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man. So here goes.

    I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

    I can’t figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

    ” We’re no longer a Christian nation”
    ” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even
    announced to the world,”America is mean-
    spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching
    that nonsense to 23 generations of our
    war dead buried all over the globe who
    died for no other reason than to free a
    whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
    hopelessness.)

    I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

    After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.” Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

    I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

    Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

    Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

    And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

    One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

    You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

    You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

    And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

    Sincerely,

    Harold B. Estes

  • http://! stodgie

    we have seen the enemy and it is us. something inside some of the citizens of this country lead them to vote for this zero. more’s the pity.

  • TeakWoodKite

    You starting a pool, Retired?

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    This is my belief as well. If you believe him to be a traitor, then he’s not incompetent but right on target.

  • elaine

    Very interesting post & thread, however I’m still not clear, what is the mission in Afghanistan?

  • beachnan

    Thank you for your service Mr. Estes. Great advice to our current President, but I doubt whether Obama has the ability to turn his attitude around. Too many years of sitting in Reverend Wright’ church and too many years spent in the company of people who do not believe in America’s greatness have jaded the current President. Sure we have some problems, but we are still are the greatest nation on earth. Thankfully, this is something every President understood and believed. Every president that is, until the current White House resident. That is a shame.

  • Peggy Sue

    And apparently, the reaction to this letter from the Far Left was to zero on on the word “son.” They felt Estes demeaned the POTUS by the use of the word.

    Someone on Fox, may have been O’Reilly, said at 95 years of age, Estes could call just about everyone “son.”

    It’s a good letter, passionate.

  • erin

    Well said. At the age of 95 you certainly have earned the right to call the President ‘son’. You have also put your life on the line for your country, something that the current President has not done, and probably never will do, which also gives you the right to tell it as it is. I do not live in your country, but the actions of your President affects not only you and your fellow Americans, they also affect the rest of the world. I hope he is big enough to take heed of what you have said, because his current advisers seem clueless on what they should advise him.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Happy Birthday Mr. Estes. . Thank you for your serice.

    “And in the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years”
    Abraham Lincoln:

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    My dad is 95. He uses ‘son’ as a term like we use ‘dude’.

    The only one demeaning the PretenderOTUS is the PretenderOTUS. The highest office of the land has become a lame joke.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    At this point, Obama being a disaster isn’t even a question.

  • PO’dVet

    You are more than correct. If McChrystal were to take the orders in any other way, he would legally be disobeying an order and subject to a court–martial! Thats why it is called an order…not a suggestion.

  • PO’dVet

    That’s because we went from George W the chimp without a clue to Obozo the clown without a clue!

  • meow

    This is off topic but it looks like the Russians may have launched a test missile of some kind over Norway at around 7:30 am Norwegian time. BO is there getting his Nobel Peace Prize, looks like the Russians are sending him a message.

    I was looking for info on the Geminid meteor shower peaks on Dec. 13th and 14th and found the following happenings in Norway. Very interesting …

    http://www.spaceweather.com/

    More pictures and info…
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2764647/Spiral-UFO-puts-Norway-in-a-spin.html

  • raging

    maybe it’s a sign that the Messiah has come?
    or the space ship is here to pick him up.

  • elizabethrc

    This is an example of what comes about when a president needs to surround himself with 300 advisers. This is a sign of a frightened, over his head, unqualified and insecure person looking for cover.
    This is “our” President in inaction.

  • Texas Playwright

    bho the fraud is dangerously incompetent, as others have said. His apathy/disdain for America and her people and his total ignorance of our values, principles and history is appalling.

    He is not a leader. He clearly is not a “consensus” builder in the best sense of the word. He just wants others to make decisions for him and take the blame with things (continue to) go wrong.

    That Jones, Gates et al can’t see what a cowardly, conniving, self-serving political hack bho the fraud is and call him on it–publicly–is disgusting. That Jones, Gates et al KNOW bho the fraud is playing his cowardly, selfish games and using their positions to endanger our country is reckless.

  • jbjd

    Wow. Great comments on this thread. Every time I want to post “I agree” or “my sentiments exactly,” I realize, I would only be copying and pasting, anyway.

  • elizabethrc

    The cure for Obama would be to make him live in one of those miserable third world countries he seems to love so. I’d give him about 6 months before he came crawling back to America.

  • lark

    General Disaster, that’s a title he will wear proudly.

  • Sassy

    The tete-a-tete between McChrystal and BO on Air Force One was to correct McChrystal’s mistaken impressions apparently!
    Okay, now that you have scared the living hell out of me…what’s Plan B?

  • Elizabeth

    Even as an armchair analyst, I appreciate that McChrystal was not supposed to take the intent of what is briefed to him as a joke or set of suggestions.

    So this is why all these months Obama was apparently dithering around the issue of Afghanistan. He forgot he told his commander to go out and defeat the enemy.

  • politicsisdirty

    Exactly, just pass the healthcare bill in whatever form and the MSM will take care of the rest.

  • mountainaires

    The term is “CinC” as in Sink. Which is exactly what this country will do with this “CIC” in charge.

  • mountainaires

    Well, yes, but you’re presuming that military Generals are not political. That would be incorrect. They are political animals. Some are ethical; some are not. But, they didn’t become Generals without operating successfully in a political environment, which can be as dangerous as Washington DC. So, in my opinion, McCrystal knows exactly what’s going on here, and he’s making it clear to everyone else what’s going on here, too.

  • inconsiderable wretch

    I wouldn’t rule out intentional either, but intentional on the part of the manipulators controlling things behind the scenes. Obumble does what he’s told.

  • mountainaires

    You got it.

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    “Stan McChrystal is no fool. He is a professional Army officer on par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton.”

    You are kidding? “in par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton.” ?

    Tell me something Larry.

    How do you do COIN with conventional troops?? I guess the greatest General since WWII does not know how to read the lessons learned on former COIN OPS but will take the advise of the Kagan’s and complete a CONPLAN? But then again I keep forgetting how successful COIN was in Iraq (sic)!

    One last thing my secret squirrel friend. Patton was a hard charger in a conventional war, this is not a conventional war. Slight night and day difference, and this as a CT Expert you should know. While Patton was indeed a hard charger. Patton also had little consideration for loss of life..

    How many conventional troops doing COIN does McChrystal think are an acceptable loss?
    Just ask the Russian’s. The Soviet tried this in the 80′s and got their fanny’s kicked. But of course the Kagan’s could careless.

    Special Forces should be taking the lead here not the conventional military. But then again this is not about stabilizing or even trying to win. This is about politics both on the civilian and especially the military sides…

  • Docelder

    We have been to the space shuttle launches before, they give a lot of light and a trail… but nothing like a blue green light and this concentric or spiral effect. I don’t know if different fuel may leave a blue green trail, or if a missile wobbling might look like this. The timing and location though is the most weird part of it.

  • Nellie

    Obama, then Biden, then Pelosi before Hillary gets to be President is my understanding as she is 4th in line.

  • Nellie

    Smart Jazz,

    And your credentionals/resume to advise McChrystal on how to do a plan and which troops hsould be used are……???????

    We are waiting ……..

  • requiredreading

    Thank you so much for posting this letter – it is quite powerful. If you want to see Mr. Estes, there is a picture of him on this site (there is a leadership award named for him) — his letter is genuine, it’s verified that it was written by him, and screw all the politically correct idiots who don’t realize that every older man in his generation referred to anyone younger than them as “son.”

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

  • requiredreading

    Thank you so much for posting this letter — it is very moving and captures my same frustrations and anger.

    If you want to see Mr. Estes, for whom a leadership award is named, see the photo on the following site, which verified that he did, indeed, write the letter:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

  • wbboei

    Superb analysis Larry. Most of us missed this. Thankfully your trained eye did not. Big media still loves him because he is their candidate, and they represent a narrow spectrum of interests. But the polls suggest that the American People at large are beginning to look at him not in terms of his soaring speeches but through the prisim of their own lives and not liking what they see. He is the single biggest mistake this country has made in voting. Putting a megalomaniacal egg head like him in charge of a first world country and expecting him to solve complex problems was–and is fantasy island. Your work as a truth teller is critical and I appreciate it. If the day comes that Hillary runs and wins then can begin to solve our problems. Under Obama we are drowning.

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    Lets just say..been there and done that thing before… :-)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    My Mom is 80 and you goddamn americans are to thank for saving her life nodoubt! THANK YOU!! She lived in Glasgow as a child which was bombed left right and centre in WWll many a night she would hop over the downed electric wires with one shoe whilst her friend had the other to the shelters!!
    Rows upon rows of housees and tenements were flattened.

    All I can say is Mr O STOP APOLOGIZING FOR THE MEN WHO WENT BEFORE US. This is what makes OUR country so GREAT!!
    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  • Docelder

    We will send in 100,000 troops and the Taliban and Al-Qaeda will flee into Pakistan. Obama will declare mission accomplished and talk of bringing troops home. Suddenly, an unforeseen crisis in Pakistan will necessitate our taking their nukes and going into Pakistan to restore “stability” to the region… nobody could have possibly foreseen that though. Obama wants the troops home, but things change. Right. This is not about Afghanistan. Were it about Afghanistan we would employ subversion to eradicate the few hundred ringleader enemies. This is about making Afghanistan a permanent base. History has proven it is diffcult to take Afghanistan… what better place to have a permanent base? Think McCain’s 99 years. Make that Obama’s 99 years. This is on him now.

  • wbboei

    Nellie–I had the same question about smart jazz. If he is the expert in counterinsurgency that he claims to be then his efforts are wasted stateside.

    He should be at staff headquarters instructing McCrysal and Patreus how to proceed. This would produce a decisive victory. It would revolutionize military doctrine. And flush with that success our own Smart Jazz could go on to teach at West Point, or better still the Army War College. And we could say we knew him when he was just a blogger.

    Clausswitz says somewhere that war is simply politics by a different means. And if you divorce war from politics, then it is nothing but unrestrained violence. And in that case, you may win the war and lose the peace.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly I was wondering the same why Smart Jazz was not in the Pentagon right now on the head of the Directions team? Being so SMART an all.

  • wbboei

    That said, I am not completely sold on the political strategy here. I do not know whether we can afford this and whether it will be successful from a political standpoint. The political agenda is broader than just fighting terrorism. I think we can assume that there are geopolitical reasons as well. Some have suggested that part of the reason is to impede economic cooperation between China and Iran. Perhaps that is true. What I do not like about this from a political standpoint is it puts us into the game of nation-building, You could do it in Europe after World War II because you had modern societies with shared western values. But efforts to do the same thing in Asia were less productive, and to try it in the Middle East is a leap of faith I myself would be reluctant to make. If Smart Jazz were saying that then I would agree with him.

  • wbboei

    The other political question which occurs to me now and then is how much of policy in the Middle East is designed to protect us, and how much of it is intended to prop up the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the government of Egypt. If it is partially the latter, then I the cost should be spread among the beneficiaries. Ultimately, it gets down to oil, it has to. Western European societies and others depend on it, and it is not like Obama is serious about alternative energy sources. I loved Newt’s line last night when Greta asked him whether O could handle the honor qua embarassment of the Nobel Prize. Newt said if all that is required is a speech, I am sure he can rise to the occasion. And to think we could have had Hillary, but for the fraud and corruption which occurred in the primary.

  • Retired

    American military politics is quite different from American national politics (I have been in both environments). The fundamental difference is that there is a presumtion in military politics that you are ultimately a servant of the people and a defender of the Constitution and that those considerations outweigh personal considerations in the endgame. For the most part, generals who are seen as serving themselves at the expense of the people or the Constitution don’t last long. There are general officers who are an exception to this fundamental rule, but they are few and far between.
    Civilian professional politicians, on the other hand, are fundamentally about self-interest. Their principal goals are re-election, moving up in office, and self-enrichment. This is why the ethics panels in both houses of Congress are a joke, and why, for example, we have an acknowledged tax cheat as chairman of a committee that sets tax laws.
    To achieve his rank, McChrystal has demonstrated an adeptness at military politics, but he also must’ve stayed within the envelope of being a relatively honest servant of the people and defender of the Constitution.
    Compare this record to that of our current President. The facts speak for themselves, no need for further comment by me.

  • Retired

    Hey, that’s a thought. I wonder if Larry would put a calendar pool on NQ? $100 a square, closest date to the in person annoncement by Obama or SecDef of McChrystal’s relief wins. $1 per sold square to NQ as an administrative fee (can you tell that I’m a financial advisor?).

  • GIanni

    Get Larry Sinclair in there. He’ll clean things up. He’s running for Congress in Florida, so hopefully after he’s elected things will start changing. And he can take what he knows mainstream concerning the two nights he and Obama spent together in Chicago in 1999.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Summed up: McChrystal’s actions are dictated by his love of country, Obama’s actions are dictated by his love of self.

  • jwrjr

    cting in the interests of his Politicak owners and against the interests of (the people of) the United States. Isn’t that the definition of “traitor”?

  • jwrjr

    That first word should have been “Acting”.

  • jwrjr

    That other word should have been “Political”. (sigh)

  • TeakWoodKite

    I was thinkin perhaps 10 percent to the NQ house and the rest for charity, like Fisher House or an LJ designated one.

    LJ? :)

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    “Exactly I was wondering the same why Smart Jazz was not in the Pentagon right now on the head of the Directions team? Being so SMART an all.”

    Well lookie here… Guess hypocrisy rules at NQ! That goes for wbboei as well. I guess it better to personally attack someone rather then answer the questions?

    But just for laughs I have interfaced with the Pentagon in a past life. The opinions there are as diverse as here. But my questions remain and have a lot of good company.

    Jim Gant’s paper. http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2009/12/jim-gants-paper.html

    Just to name one….attack away though I much prefer you to rationally explore the questions and then answer the questions…

  • inconsiderable wretch

    Powerful language comes to mind here: traitor, impeachment, high crimes and misdemeanors, long train of abuses and usurpations, treason!

  • I’m a Linda too

    Well, he talks out of both sides of his mouth for everything else, so he thought he would be given a pass to do it here as well.

    …”OK, that’s done…now let’s go hit some balls. The only thing I want to have to think about is….which one….the large or small balls.”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Attack away that’s like calling the kettle black. Get a backbone what makes you think your smart wording is not looked as an attack when you post?

    I will happily read your link when I have more time. However McChrystal was hand chosen by Obama to give him information on what was needed in Afghanistan.
    Since then there has been a great deal of conversation that Obama was not happy with the information.

    “Stan Chrystal is no fool. He is a professional Army officer on par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton.”
    You are kidding? “in par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton.” ?

    Tell me why did Obama pick Chrystal for the top job as you so alarming question????
    As Larry pointed out “He is a professional Army officer” who worked hard for his position it was not handed to him on a silver platter.
    So take your attack sob story grow a backbone or stick it where the sun don’t shine!

  • meow

    UPDATE …

    CONFIRMED: The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed the launch and subsequent failure of a submarine-based missile: BBC Report… news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8405481.stm

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    I am not saying that the General is not a professional conventional soldier. I am sure he is very much a professional conventional soldier. If we were in a conventional war I would want General’s like this McChrystal. But we are not in a conventional war…

    Also realize that to become a 4 banger or 4 Star one is very much a politician. If one gets past two star its not only on merit I can tell you that much..

    But to say that Stan McChrystal is on par with George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton is absolutely ridiculous. Larry should know better. These were not just professional soldiers they were great general officers, even if Patton was somewhat a black sheep. And WWI and WWII were conventional wars. None of these Generals would make good COIN GO’s either… Understand the differences here…

    The days of tested by fire GO’s like George Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George Patton are long gone and long over. You might as well say that the only difference between the General’s of today and those elected to office today are the uniforms they wear.

    Why Obama picked McChrystal is more than likely political in nature only Obama knows the real reason. But also I can tell you that McChrystal is not a big fan of the Greenie Machine, like many conventional GO’s. The conventional military and the SF Community are still at odds. The reason why SF Officers have their own career paths today. It use to be the kiss of death for an officer.

    This so-called surge plan did not work in Iraq as designed with conventional troops and it will not work here either. It did not work in Vietnam as well with conventional troops. COIN is in my opinion just the flavored slang of the day.

    If history (and if anything I am very familiar with military history and combat tactics) is any type of indicator we will again learn the hard way.

    The problem with learning the hard way in the military is its usually measured by….body bags….

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Good reply and I will give it more thought and read in depth later. When one is multitasking it’s hard to take in the whole picture!

    and your tone like mine can change to one of understanding
    when we explain in detail what we are trying to express! Thanks.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Also realize that to become a 4 banger or 4 Star one is very much a politician. If one gets past two star its not only on merit I can tell you that much..

    You don’t know dick, Richard. You obviously have never served anything but fries at McDonald’s or yourself, everywhere.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    ~~ Hey Ferd missed U ~~

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    You know your mouth is so dirty I hope you don’t eat with it….

    Again instead of the insults answer the questions…..Other wise start acting like a human being…

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    You are a coward and an ass clown. Write in true name and lay out your credentials. Otherwise, STFU.

  • Ferd Berfle

    been there and done that thing before

    You mean, of course, posting you banal tripe that isn’t fit for a RCRA landfill. When you post, troll, people laugh and not with you, if you get my drift.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I much prefer you to rationally explore the questions and then answer the questions

    I much prefer you go away since your comments, as sophomoric as they are, tend to shed more heat than light on any subject. Your moniker only serves to demonstrate further your adolescent worldview. So you took a high school class in 20th Century history–so f-ing what?

  • Ferd Berfle

    I come around now and again, ~~JustMe~~. Good to see you, too.

  • Ferd Berfle

    .Other wise start acting like a human being…

    And being a troll and a bot, how would you know what constitutes human behavior, dink?

    Short answer–you wouldn’t. Try HuffnPuffPo as that site is more suited to your single-digit IQ and they just love your kind, to boot.

  • Ferd Berfle

    But just for laughs I have interfaced with the Pentagon in a past life.

    Interfaced??

    I knew it–you’re an automaton and the interface to which you refer is a USB port. LMAO at a plug-and-play troll.

    Hahahaha

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    Ferd….I heard your proctologist called and left a message…. he found your head…

  • rosa

    I would have to agree with you because that seems to make perfect sense about what they are really doing!! funny how obama has done pretty much what he accused Mccain and every other person he ran against of wanting to do if they won .

    So from now on we shall believe that he means the opposite of his words……come to think of it, we already do, and are twisting themselves in knots trying to explain what he is doing. but his obots and MSM still believe.

  • MBC

    It made me laugh jwrjr, thanks!

  • AF catfish

    Anyone else notice how Hillary and Gates worked as a team just after Obama’s speech? That way they knew they’d either get thrown under the bus together or not at all.

  • Banned in Beantown

    And we should all be surprised by CIC’s ignorance because…???

    The signs were there. Really. They really were.

  • Retired

    A good military-related charity would be QL Plus (www.QLPlus.org). Incredible some of the things that they take on.

  • JJ

    Afganistan is a disaster and the sooner we pull out the better. Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich are both 100% correct in this matter.

  • Smart-Jazz-Just Me

    Pat Lang out did himself…. Take notice…

    Counterinsurgency – a much failed strategy?

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2009/12/counterinsurgency-a-much-failed-strategy.html

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