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		<title>By: ahs</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38027/update-mortgage-modifications-leading-to-mortgage-cram-downs/#comment-1285916</link>
		<dc:creator>ahs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman, from today&#039;s Times, on those specious ideas re: Fannie and Freddie:

&quot;Talk to conservatives about the financial crisis and you enter an alternative, bizarro universe in which government bureaucrats, not greedy bankers, caused the meltdown. It’s a universe in which government-sponsored lending agencies triggered the crisis, even though private lenders actually made the vast majority of subprime loans. It’s a universe in which regulators coerced bankers into making loans to unqualified borrowers, even though only one of the top 25 subprime lenders was subject to the regulations in question.&quot;

He&#039;s right.  Were Fannie and Freddie too big, and too overexposed?  Yes.  So were all the big players in the downstream mortgage markets, including the private ones.  But were Fannie and Freddie the underlying cause?  Under any honest assessment, certainly not.  

The real estate bubble was fueled by loose lending standards, and those standards did &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;originate with Fannie and Freddie.  No government bureaucrats were commanding sketchy mortgage originators to make low-quality subprime loans.  Those loans were made because of a &lt;em&gt;failure &lt;/em&gt;of regulation, not an overabundance of it.

Having Fannie and Freddie as a backstop, guaranteeing the value of mortgages purchased in the secondary market, did have a huge impact on the residential real estate bubble.  And they are vulnerable to fair criticism for setting the standards too low for mortgages they were willing to purchase.  But being &lt;em&gt;willing &lt;/em&gt; to purchase mortgages in the secondary market does not mean they were &lt;em&gt;forcing &lt;/em&gt;the loans to be made in the primary market.  That&#039;s the basic disconnect underlying the error in the typical conservative talking points which seek to blame this crisis on Clinton and Frank, rather than on Bush, Greenspan, and (most notably) the authors of Gramm-Leach-Bliley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman, from today&#8217;s Times, on those specious ideas re: Fannie and Freddie:</p>
<p>&#8220;Talk to conservatives about the financial crisis and you enter an alternative, bizarro universe in which government bureaucrats, not greedy bankers, caused the meltdown. It’s a universe in which government-sponsored lending agencies triggered the crisis, even though private lenders actually made the vast majority of subprime loans. It’s a universe in which regulators coerced bankers into making loans to unqualified borrowers, even though only one of the top 25 subprime lenders was subject to the regulations in question.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s right.  Were Fannie and Freddie too big, and too overexposed?  Yes.  So were all the big players in the downstream mortgage markets, including the private ones.  But were Fannie and Freddie the underlying cause?  Under any honest assessment, certainly not.  </p>
<p>The real estate bubble was fueled by loose lending standards, and those standards did <em>not </em>originate with Fannie and Freddie.  No government bureaucrats were commanding sketchy mortgage originators to make low-quality subprime loans.  Those loans were made because of a <em>failure </em>of regulation, not an overabundance of it.</p>
<p>Having Fannie and Freddie as a backstop, guaranteeing the value of mortgages purchased in the secondary market, did have a huge impact on the residential real estate bubble.  And they are vulnerable to fair criticism for setting the standards too low for mortgages they were willing to purchase.  But being <em>willing </em> to purchase mortgages in the secondary market does not mean they were <em>forcing </em>the loans to be made in the primary market.  That&#8217;s the basic disconnect underlying the error in the typical conservative talking points which seek to blame this crisis on Clinton and Frank, rather than on Bush, Greenspan, and (most notably) the authors of Gramm-Leach-Bliley.</p>
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		<title>By: Obamastolemycounty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obamastolemycounty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am stuck with my house.  People can get way cheaper foreclosures and such for less than what I need to pay off my mortgage and home equity line!  I really regret the home equity line I took a few years ago, but I needed to repair some obvious things prior to selling and was planning to get married and buy a different house with my former BF.  To make a long story short I used to go by the name Obamastolemyboyfriend and got screwed on both the home and the marriage.  I no longer miss the BF.  I do miss the equity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am stuck with my house.  People can get way cheaper foreclosures and such for less than what I need to pay off my mortgage and home equity line!  I really regret the home equity line I took a few years ago, but I needed to repair some obvious things prior to selling and was planning to get married and buy a different house with my former BF.  To make a long story short I used to go by the name Obamastolemyboyfriend and got screwed on both the home and the marriage.  I no longer miss the BF.  I do miss the equity!</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a  Linda too</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a  Linda too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, this is what the Democrats want, and it will tank the price of the homes for the people who are making their payments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, this is what the Democrats want, and it will tank the price of the homes for the people who are making their payments.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38027/update-mortgage-modifications-leading-to-mortgage-cram-downs/#comment-1285756</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video clearly shows that George Bush warned 
Congress starting in 2001, that this economic crisis was 
coming, if something was not done. But Congress refused to 
listen, along with the arrogant Congressman, Barney Frank.
This video says it a ll. 

You Tube; it was taken off. 
This link is of the same video, but is routed through 
Canada . Everyone in America needs to see this before it is 
yanked off the Internet again! 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&amp;NR=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video clearly shows that George Bush warned<br />
Congress starting in 2001, that this economic crisis was<br />
coming, if something was not done. But Congress refused to<br />
listen, along with the arrogant Congressman, Barney Frank.<br />
This video says it a ll. </p>
<p>You Tube; it was taken off.<br />
This link is of the same video, but is routed through<br />
Canada . Everyone in America needs to see this before it is<br />
yanked off the Internet again! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&#038;NR=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&#038;NR=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: pc</title>
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		<dc:creator>pc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly believe this program is a bust.  If you are in financial trouble and do get your mortgage modified, the odds are that you will be back in foreclosure within 6 months.  

Most of the mortgages are owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (that means you and me).  Can the banks modify loans without the investor approval?  

And another thing, who is tracking if the program is really being used by homeonwers under water with their values?  Is income being verified on these loans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly believe this program is a bust.  If you are in financial trouble and do get your mortgage modified, the odds are that you will be back in foreclosure within 6 months.  </p>
<p>Most of the mortgages are owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (that means you and me).  Can the banks modify loans without the investor approval?  </p>
<p>And another thing, who is tracking if the program is really being used by homeonwers under water with their values?  Is income being verified on these loans?</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38027/update-mortgage-modifications-leading-to-mortgage-cram-downs/#comment-1285712</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, Larry, but I&#039;ve read that even with cram downs and modification, the vast majority of these homeowners cannot and will not meet their mortgages.

So what will be gained?  Extend and pretend?  I do not think we&#039;re doing people a favor with these fantasy games.

But I&#039;d sure like to be wrong.

Correct me, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, Larry, but I&#8217;ve read that even with cram downs and modification, the vast majority of these homeowners cannot and will not meet their mortgages.</p>
<p>So what will be gained?  Extend and pretend?  I do not think we&#8217;re doing people a favor with these fantasy games.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d sure like to be wrong.</p>
<p>Correct me, please.</p>
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		<title>By: imustprotest</title>
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		<dc:creator>imustprotest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks need to let go of the money.  Mortgage rates are the lowest since before WWII but they&#039;re not letting go of the $$.  People with great credit are unable to refinance.  Time to put pressure on the bankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks need to let go of the money.  Mortgage rates are the lowest since before WWII but they&#8217;re not letting go of the $$.  People with great credit are unable to refinance.  Time to put pressure on the bankers.</p>
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		<title>By: objective analysis</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38027/update-mortgage-modifications-leading-to-mortgage-cram-downs/#comment-1285692</link>
		<dc:creator>objective analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Hope &amp; Change - Jimmy Carter Style II....

Repeal the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)

Two Crises (Savings &amp; Loans Debacle of the late 1970&#039;s to 1980&#039;s and Sub-prime Mortgage Crisis of the 1990&#039;s to 2000&#039;s) have shown that this piece of liberal progressive legislation of socialism (oil) does not mix well with capitalism (water).

The redlining that Jimmy Carter and his congress put in and has been motivated with the likes of the corrupt ACORN and bully pen SEIU needs to be removed by the People of the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Hope &amp; Change &#8211; Jimmy Carter Style II&#8230;.</p>
<p>Repeal the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)</p>
<p>Two Crises (Savings &amp; Loans Debacle of the late 1970&#8242;s to 1980&#8242;s and Sub-prime Mortgage Crisis of the 1990&#8242;s to 2000&#8242;s) have shown that this piece of liberal progressive legislation of socialism (oil) does not mix well with capitalism (water).</p>
<p>The redlining that Jimmy Carter and his congress put in and has been motivated with the likes of the corrupt ACORN and bully pen SEIU needs to be removed by the People of the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: ahs</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38027/update-mortgage-modifications-leading-to-mortgage-cram-downs/#comment-1285676</link>
		<dc:creator>ahs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given the fact that there is no free lunch, taxpayers pick up the tab along with investors who have purchased mortgage securities backed by these mortgages.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why do you assume this is true?  The only cramdown proposals I&#039;ve read about would be quite straightforward -- they&#039;d allow bankruptcy judges to reduce the principal and/or interest on mortgages, which is something they can already do for pretty much all other kinds of debt.  And that&#039;s it.  The only clear losers* in this sort of thing would be the banks (RMBS investors get basically wiped out by foreclosures anyway -- they only make money if homeowners continue to make payments).  That&#039;s why the banking lobby hates the idea so much.

If you&#039;ve seen somebody proposing a cramdown rule in which the government pays the banks for the write-down on the back end, I&#039;m all ears.  I sure haven&#039;t heard that myself, though.  As long as the cramdown happens in bankruptcy court, the taxpayer could care less.
&lt;em&gt;
*yeah, I know the arguments that doing this would drive up borrowing costs.  I&#039;m just not convinced that they would drive them up by enough to outweigh the benefits.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given the fact that there is no free lunch, taxpayers pick up the tab along with investors who have purchased mortgage securities backed by these mortgages.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you assume this is true?  The only cramdown proposals I&#8217;ve read about would be quite straightforward &#8212; they&#8217;d allow bankruptcy judges to reduce the principal and/or interest on mortgages, which is something they can already do for pretty much all other kinds of debt.  And that&#8217;s it.  The only clear losers* in this sort of thing would be the banks (RMBS investors get basically wiped out by foreclosures anyway &#8212; they only make money if homeowners continue to make payments).  That&#8217;s why the banking lobby hates the idea so much.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve seen somebody proposing a cramdown rule in which the government pays the banks for the write-down on the back end, I&#8217;m all ears.  I sure haven&#8217;t heard that myself, though.  As long as the cramdown happens in bankruptcy court, the taxpayer could care less.<br />
<em><br />
*yeah, I know the arguments that doing this would drive up borrowing costs.  I&#8217;m just not convinced that they would drive them up by enough to outweigh the benefits.</em></p>
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		<title>By: elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s for a minute assume the banks/lenders accept the cram downs &amp; everybody refis at 4% (more punishing savings &amp; rewarding debt big time) then what do I get on a CD? .01% &amp; on a money market? 001%, plus my house looses even more value. Hell why not just have a damn depression &amp; get it over with. Don&#039;t forget in 2011 we get to pay 20% cap gains tax  on less than 1% on interest income. This b.s. along with the constant increases in medical insurance will reduce me to financial ruin in a few years. This whole scheme will get the younger crowd all excited because it really screws retirees. I guess when retirees go broke they can just go on the dole &amp; finish bankrupting the younger crowd...viscous cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s for a minute assume the banks/lenders accept the cram downs &amp; everybody refis at 4% (more punishing savings &amp; rewarding debt big time) then what do I get on a CD? .01% &amp; on a money market? 001%, plus my house looses even more value. Hell why not just have a damn depression &amp; get it over with. Don&#8217;t forget in 2011 we get to pay 20% cap gains tax  on less than 1% on interest income. This b.s. along with the constant increases in medical insurance will reduce me to financial ruin in a few years. This whole scheme will get the younger crowd all excited because it really screws retirees. I guess when retirees go broke they can just go on the dole &amp; finish bankrupting the younger crowd&#8230;viscous cycle.</p>
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