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By Bronwyn's Harbor on December 17, 2009 at 10:35 PM in Current Affairs

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Ani e-mailed this Politico story to our NoQuarter writers’ mailing list: “Poll: Clinton approval soars [while Obama's sink].” Eastan McNeal wrote back, suggesting that we post this poll:

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We have TWO more polls for you to take below. And I’ve posted a segue on the SEXISM that is alive and well in this country.

By the way, to his suggestion about the poll, Eastan added, “I think we could create a new phrase: Revisionist Opinion Polling. Because I bet Hillary would win.” Uh, yeah:

A new poll of avid news watchers shows that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has a much higher approval rating than the man she once campaigned against and now works for, President Barack Obama.

In the poll of 800 registered voters who are self-identified “news watchers,” Clinton had a 75 percent approval rating and a 21 percent disapproval rating overall. Obama, in contrast, had a 51 percent approval and a 45 percent disapproval rating. …

So, we couple more polls for you to take:

Be sure to explain your votes in the Comments section:

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THIS next section of the Politico story is fascinating:

Clarus president Ron Faucheux said one reason for Clinton’s high poll numbers is her high approval among Republicans – numbers he said position her well to run for president again in the future, if she chooses. Clinton had 96 percent approval among Democrats, a healthy 57 percent approval among Republicans, and 65 percent approval among Independents. Obama was nearly as popular among Democrats – 93 percent – but his numbers among Republicans and Independents fell off dramatically, at 19 percent and 33 percent respectively.

Clinton’s Republican numbers are striking, given how intensely disliked she has been in the past among GOP voters. In fact, part of Obama’s appeal to Democratic primary voters in 2008 was that he was more likely to be able to bridge the partisan divide than Clinton, who was by then a well-known figure dating to her time as first lady in the 1990s. …

The sad reality, of course, is that had Hillary Clinton been elected President, as she should have been because she actually won the Democratic primary, the Republicans would have been all over her at every opportunity, as would the MSM which has never treated either Clinton fairly.

Still, this surge in her popularity makes me feel even more confident about my somewhat fanciful desire that Hillary run for president at the next opportunity. The past impediments she faced, including the damage done by a constant onslaught of the right-wing and MSM media, have dissipated.

However, it must be noted, not all has been overcome. Just the other day, I saw an ad at Drudge Report for the Hillary nut cracker.

I tried posting a pre-configured Amazon search widget here a few months ago. I inserted “Hillary Clinton” as a sample search term. Guess what product showed up first? Not her books, not the books by other authors. Yup. It was the Hillary nut cracker.

18,000,000 cracks in the glass ceiling aside, Hillary would still face a daunting challenge if she became a candidate again.

Foremost among the challenges is that sexism is alive and well in this country. I was at Costco with a neighbor last week. He and I browsed the book section, and looked at the new Sarah Palin book. My neighbor made it clear that he really likes Sarah. So I asked him the inevitable question, “Would you support Sarah Palin for president?” He replied, “No.” Why, I asked. “Because she’s a woman.” Then, he added, “But she’s hot.” (I wanted to scream, “You sexist pig neanderthal,” but managed to contain myself.)

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OF NOTE: The Politico story has much more on how news junkies view ALL the members of Obama’s cabinet.

hokma

“If the primary election were being held today for whom would you vote?”
Is this a trick question?:)

Obama is such a narcissist that it would not be surprising if he decided not to run for a second term believing that he accomplished everything he set out to do and knowing that his poll numbers were so low that he would not be re-elected anyway.

sowsear

If he has his way, he will be President for Life. Watch out for those Constitutional Changes and Amnesty for all illegals.
However, if that doesn’t work out, he may decide to take his lifetime perks and retire to the good life.
He may have to write a few more autobiographies-if his buddy Bill is available.
Bronwyn’s Harbor

It’ll be amusing to see if any Obamabot spots this poll!
jwrjr

Choosing between Clinton and Obama is, to borrow from LBJ, like choosing between Chicken Salad and Chickensh*t. (Anyone who is not a troll knows which is which.)
http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yeah, He’ll give himself an A++ then go back to Chicago to make billions in corruption.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

make that “through” corruption.

morris1030

That won’t happen as Axelrod and Rahm want their power to continue as do many of the African American caucus. Obama has done all the selling out he has to so his $$$$ are assured from Insurance and Drug cartels.

They feel Precious is loved so much that no Dem would dare vote Repub.

All they think about is re-election. Hence the rush to push this toxic bill

felizarte

It would be interesting to see if Rahm runs for a congressional seat. I did read somewhere some time ago that he would like to have Pelosi’s job. It would be a clear signal that perhaps he thinks that Obama might not run again in 2012

Diana L. C.

Eventually the craam always rises to the top, doesn’t it?

Of course my votes are this poll are the same as they were back then.

The DNC should be lined up and humiliated harshly for many hours for the hoodwinking and bamboozling they committed. Pillory all of them! That’s my major regret–that Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Brazile and all those culprits won’t really be humiliated the way they deserve to be.

Diana L. C.

That’s “cream,” not “craam.”

trixta

From the article:

[O]ne reason for Clinton’s high poll numbers is her high approval among Republicans – numbers he said position her well to run for president again in the future, if she chooses. Clinton had 96 percent approval among Democrats, a healthy 57 percent approval among Republicans, and 65 percent approval among Independents. (emphasis mine)

Another astounding number is the Beltway Approval figure — Clinton 83; Gates 84; Obama 66.

Who is this Clarus Research Group anyway? Never heard of them.
Mark Ft. Lauderdale

Hillary sold herself to EMPTYSUIT. We need new blood.

Ani

She sold herself to no one. She is looking at the bigger picture and as one of the few adults in the room, she is working to hold us together, standing above the incompetents in this administration.

Sometimes the more difficult choice is to work within the system and not just pick up your marbles and go home.

She made the right choice to get out of the Senate — otherwise all these dreadful domestic policies would be hung around her neck with the rest of the dems and with the supermajority in Congress, she would have been powerless to stop it.

She is out there every day making the rights of women and children more prominent in the agenda than any SoS before her. She is respected around the world — her popularity is going up and many are seeing the reality — she is the work horse and not the show horse.

We need new blood on both sides of the aisle, but we still need Hillary, too.

Animal Control

Don’t pay any attention to Markie, he lives to disparage Hillary in any possible way.

Ani

Thanks.

Sandy

Well, if she did, THANK GOD. She is the only one in that pathetic administration that does’nt have the duh factor. Everything we predicted about Obama has come true, and in a very short amount of time.He has absolutely NO CLUE about how to govern.Maybe he should just hand it over to a qualified person, and let her show him how it is done. Way to go Hillary, you have got the right stuff, and you don.t have to blow your own horn.

standard

Hillary spoke in Copenhagen, addressing climate change. Always good to see her in the limelight she deserves.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/17/copenhagen.climate.summit/index.html

sowsear

Unfortunately for the Climate summit, Copenhagen had 4″ of snow yesterday, 25 deg. F., and a chance for a white Christmas in that normally Maritime climate there. They have had only 7 White Christmases in the past 100 yrs, last one 14 yrs. ago.

NomNomNom

I voted for Clinton in the primaries, but today, I would not vote for any of them. Perhaps you could add an “other” column. It’s quite discouraging to see the poll limited to just the same 2 abysmal (precipical?) parties.

Don

Pretty much agree. I vowed that after May 31, 2008 I would not contribute to or vote for anyone with the “D” after his/her name (or maybe before it) on any ballot until after the 2016 election and certainly never again any straight party ticket voting. Strongly supported Hillary in the primary (within about a hundred of maxing out) but was extremely disappointed when she and Bill caved in to the “party”. That “we are taking this all the way to the convention” bit sure didn’t have any muscle behind it. So only way I could vote for her would be if she were to run as a third party candidate. Had never even considered a third party candidate before, but I will certainly be looking at any more closely in the future.

Obamastolemycounty

I would not be surprised if Obama does not run in 2012. First off, this has got to be the hardest he’s worked in his life and the longest he has held a job. Not that I think he is doing much, but he is busy with the self promotion. He looks tired. Secondly, he will grab jis toys and pout all the way home because no one is all tingly ablout him anymore!
layla

It would be a dream to see Clinton having a shot at president – BUT SEXISM IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THIS COUNTRY. Too many weak, insecure men in this country are threatened by a woman, so they would rather have a man in there, even if he’s black AND inexperienced than to have a, GULP, woman. How horrifying for them. Sexism is a bigger problem than racism in this country! A decade ago India had a woman ruling, and also Britain. And they were both greatly admired by their country men.
But not this ass-backwards country with it’s sexism!

Ani

You are correct that Hillary would still have to deal with sexism (and now age-ism too), however, there were many women who also turned their backs on Hillary. Had more women stood for the more qualified candidate, she would be president today, despite the media and the DNC’s rampant shenanigans. A lot of women are insecure about disrupting the status quo as well.

You cannot lay this entirely at the feet of men. Women are hard on other women and found any and every excuse not to vote for her.

Peggy Sue

That’s absolutely true, Ani. Some of the worst comments and going along to get along nonsense came from women.

I still do not understand it.

But then, when a young woman is willing to wear a t-shirt with c**t emblazoned across the front, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. The attitude of the young was bad enough but what I found unforgiveable were older women, women in positions of power who were so willing to sell their souls to a crocodile smile and a bunch of promises, with absolutely no evidence to back up the handsome smile or the words.

There is such a thing as a “record,” a history of performance and accomplishments. And what were we given with Obama? A blank slate on which to scrawl our most ardent hopes and a history that was kept well-hidden and deliberately skewed.

So many fell for it. I’m still astonished. And angry.

Of course, the few diehard Obamatrons will claim that Hillary Clinton’s rising poll numbers are a false yardstick. She is not in the driver’s seat, they will say [and have said, repeatedly]. Do you really think that Hillary Clinton would have allowed the healthcare package to fall into the utter chaos it has become? After all the mistakes and pitfalls she witnessed in the 90s?

If so, I’ve got some wetland to sell you.

And we now have John McCain championing the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall.

Where is the President? Where is the Democratic Party standing up for the working man and woman, the ordinary citizen? Oh, that’s right. They left the room, told us those ordinary voters were no longer important–too much clinging to guns and Bibles to suit them.

Well, I’ve got a news flash for my party: Not all Americans sip lattes, have Harvard degrees or think accountability only applies to the the great unwashed.

Pat Caddell said it true a week ago: Wake up, DC. The Americans are coming. And they’re coming for you!

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

“And we now have John McCain championing the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall.”

I have a bot friend who is slowly waking up to the fact that Obama is a tool. But the response from them is inevitably, “but McCain would have been worse.” And I respond, very firmly, “No, he would not have been worse. He would have been much better. In the least, he would not have put us into so much debt so quickly.”

I absolutely do not regret voting for McCain. In fact, I am proud I voted for McCain.

I have no patience for this simplistic, mindless viewpoint that the worst Democrat in the world is still better than the best Republican. Nope. Don’t buy that. There are good Republicans. I believe McCain is one of them and I truly wish he were our president now (given that Hillary was not our nominee).

Peggy Sue

John McCain would not have been worse, nor could he have possibly been any worse than what we’re looking at right now.

And that’s why I ultimately voted for the McCain ticket. My first choice was Hillary. But given the lack of choice, McCain took my vote in the GE.

But good for him that he’s standing up for Glass-Steagall. That should have been one of the first things the President addressed, instead of getting into bed with the banksters.

Btw, I read a headline earlier in which Axelrod claimed bewilderment over Dem disaffection with heathcare. According to Axelrod, it would be a “tragedy” if the bill were killed.

Of course, he doesn’t say a tragedy for whom.

These people are absolutely tone deaf, even to their own base. It’s hard to miss the prog fallout.

candy

I too agree absolutely that John McCain would not have been worse. I definitely think he would have been better. McCain has none of that narcissism, and would stand more on his own principles than be so quickly prone to polls, images, and nonsensical compromises. Decisions would have been more well thought out. In sum, McCain would have been a strong leader, instead of this weak mush we now got.

I’ve also gained a new found respect for McCain since, after losing the election, he jumped right back into work, tirelessly leading as best he can to push for things he believe to be right, and casting more votes than he ever did on all issues. This is a 70+ year old man, and he’s still working so hard for his country even when the people denied him his ultimate aspiration. He’s a good soldier, and his commitment to the country since his election lost shows that he is a noble man indeed.

I’m sorry we lost first Hillary, and then McCain, and then–yes–even Sarah Palin…..all so that this empty suit and sorry excuse for a President, can serve as the conduit for some people to pat themselves on the back for being so open minded to vote for a black president.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yep, you got it. They felt soooooo good about themselves. Sooooo “compassionate” and self-righteous…mindless sleepwalkers.

Senneth

Hillary or Bust, Peggy Sue, I concur 100 percent. Frankly if the women’s organizations really had had Hillary’s back, the scam of the supposed floor vote at the Democratic National Convention could not have been done. But most of the groups response: crickets. I am so disgusted. and more disgusted every day with the Empty Suit that panders, pillages, placates, not caring a whit for Americans or America. What a sham. A pox on Dean, Brazille, Axelrod, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Frank, and all the many others who helped this Empty Suit steal the White House. And an especially large pox on the Bots. I doubt I’ll ever be over this corrupt primary and election.

NomNomNom

“And we now have John McCain championing the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall.”

That’s as may be, but it’s still a frog.
John McCain had as chief financial adviser of his 2008 campaign Phil Gramm, one of the principals in removing the protections of Glass Steagall.

We are already completely bankrupt. When the results of the IMF audit (that began last year and is perhaps already completed) of the Fed Res are published, it will not be pretty.
These people know it. All this Glass-Steagall talk and audit the Fed Res, when it has already been audited is so much bullsh#t. It is nothing more than ephemera to hide the complicity of the participants.
There’s not a shred of difference between any of these goons.
morris1030

It’s always amazed me how the public fell for an inexperienced Chicago pol from the political cesspool of America. His performance in Illinois State Senate was sparse ans mostly non committal. His political alliances smelled.

Voters out of exasperation with Bush/Cheney allowed themselves to imagine qualities emanating from the oratorical hype and practiced passion.

Actually we’ve seen that Obama has no passion and his coolness and inability to connect with real people is obvious.

Actually these voters are shocked, shocked
that Obama is aloof,vain,cold, and inefectual
with no gut instinct as to a real leadership style.

Obama’s elite and removed personna doesn’t play well in these very hard economic times.
Only those Obambots that are left still believe him.

He’s spent his entire capital on Healthcare
without being outspoken or transparent. I still marvel at the naivete and suspension of belief that allowed the netroots to vote him in.

Claire

Boy, that’s the truth! I was talking with my father’s wife (not my stepmother) – she is 86 years old and said that she would not support Palin or Clinton for president because they are women and should be subservient to men – I know young women that feel that way too! Yikes!

FLDemFem

The answer to that one is which man would you rather have calling the shots, Bill Clinton, or Todd Palin??

felizarte

I would like to see Saraah Palin win the GOP nomination and the democrats can’t help but nominate Hillary. Either way, women win once and for all.
candy

Problem with women voters is that women tend to judge women famous political candidates in their own images. If the candidate does not have the same level of education, or handled motherhood and family the same way as a particular woman voter, or went through the same kind of career path as the woman voter would immediately deem that candidate as unworthy. But this is an impossible standard because no woman candidate can reflect every single woman voter.

Men don’t do that to male candidates. That’s why women as a voting bloc always stnads divided when it comes to a really important woman candidate.
lorac

R/t men’s sexism and women turning their backs on Hillary – don’t you think it’s related? I think they both spring from patriarchy, which teaches both women and men that women are inferior. Also teaches both that they need to be led and protected by a male, not a female.

trixta

Bingo, lorac! Patriarchy also teaches women to compete with each other, even though that interest may be against their own (women’s) self-interest individually or as a group.

trixta

A propos my post (to lorac), women as a gender need to evolve too. 2008 was surely a sign that this is what is needed too — aside from calling out and standing up to sexism and misogyny.

Ani

Absolutely, Lorac. But in the year 2008, you would think women would better be able to spot that kind of brainwashing.

Much as I agree with where the behavior comes from, there may be an excuse for young women to buy into advertising and peer pressure and not know any better, but once a woman has been out in the world, fending for herself and/or raising a family, there comes a point when one has to make a decision about whose principles prevail — someone else’s or one’s own.

I was raised in a ridiculously patriarchal environment where women were shamed constantly, yet no one could convince me that women were not capable of being in charge. I knew better from a very young age. If a woman doesn’t trust herself, she is probably not going to trust another woman.

Tex-Mex Soup

Layla, its just not men its many women also who feel they have to continue to be n*t lickers (sorry for being crude, it just irks me)as if they need to have approval of men. I come across too many women who spew such hatred towards Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin especially but coo about the men in office. I just don’t get it.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Go read HuffPo now. It is a joy. The bots are turning against Obama in droves. They are finally waking up. Even Olbermann said they should kill the healthcare bill. E.g., check the comments here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/a-rahm-too-far-time-for-o_b_392190.html

Docelder

Even Olbermann said they should kill the healthcare bill.

I not so much happy they now see the truth as I am that maybe, just maybe some of these other people wanted health care because they actually care about people’s health. That makes me have real hope. To me, “the bill” was always more about seizing power and using health care as another tool for social engineering and control.
Animal Control

The bots are turning against Obama in droves.

That’s because they were and are Lemmings following their current leader as the wind blows.

So much for the “intellectual crowd”.

http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

Lemmings or headless chickens. Obama has really messed up their minds.

felizarte

The thing that bothers me the most about the HC bill in the Senate is: we don’t really know all the bells and whistles attached to it such as Landrieu’s 300 million and only God knows what else; or the implementation of the various aspects of it.

Docelder

or the implementation of the various aspects of it

Yes, exactly the far left loonies latch onto something real, and proceed to bastardize and ruin it. For example, I had read somewhere the premiums for the opt in care were exorbitantly higher for married middle class people than if the same two people were just living together and single. This is what I mean by “social engineering”. Enough is never enough with some people. Obviously, there is more at stake with this than just health care.

andrew

Does anyone really believe the millions being spent by the insurance industry on televised anti-healthcare bill advertising is done out of their concern for the well-being of the public?

Their motives are exactly the same as they were when they shot down Hillary Clinton’s healthcare initiative years back.

They know what the bill represents: the first meaningful cracks in the dam. If it passes transformation will follow. Consideration of their profits will become secondary to meeting the healthcare needs of the public.

beachnan

Andrew, it seems as though most people are waking up to the Obama myth. I have heard many, many commentators remark that this Health Bill is a piece of shit. Why do you refuse to see this for what it is. Obama wants to pass it, so he can put a gold star by his name, he doesn’t care if it benefits the country or not. If he really cared about us, then he would be spending night and day working on getting the economy turned around.
By the way, how do you justify the part where we get to pay for this through our taxes, so that we can fund the program for later. This means that people who could have afforded health care for themselves now, may not be able to afford it, because their taxes are going to go up to fund this boondoggle.

andrew

The opposition is offering nothing but across the board opposition. They’re quick to condemn any and every democratic initiative, but offer no constructive suggestions and spell out no clear alternatives of their own. Either they haven’t got any, or realize that what they do have simply doesn’t add up to anything different than what they’ve offered in the past.

Taxes are going to go up. They should go up. Any fool knows that the government can’t spend more than it’s got coming in without eventual disaster. The elephant in the room is the obvious conclusion that the wealthiest should be paying more, because they’ve already got 95% of the wealth, and because they continue to benefit far and away the most from the system we’ve got. They have a certain obligation to the pyramid below that supports the privilaged pinnacle they occupy, without which they would be nothing.

The perennial republican misdirection is to convince the common man that any talk of increased taxes is targeting him. I see through their duplicity. They support a very expensive war, for example, and howl about deficits, but they won’t for a moment entertain the idea of specific taxation to pay for it. What does that reveal?

eriezindian

Can’t do it. I got off Huffpo last year and still can’t even think of looking at them again. The abuse handed out against HRC supporters was disgusting and no way, ever, will I even look at that blog.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

I know. I took a quick peak and even though they seem in a state of shock, I feel slimy.
Mia

Check the new and improved HP now. After Afganistan, Wall street bailout, no help for
Main street, no public option HC etc, they are disappointed with Obama. Surprize,surprize… They were quick to label others who criticezed BO as racists. They are “racists” now too.

arky

Curious. It says I’ve already voted in this poll. Huh??
cf

Hope they run a poll asking people who they actually voted for in the primary. Would expect Hillary would win that poll by a longshot. (Heck I didn’t vote for the bozo not me!)
Tricia

Darn–I only wish Hillary WAS Prsident. I know she would be having a tough time of it also, but she knows how to pick better people and how to make decisions.
I’m a Linda too

Oh gee, let me think about that……??? As if.
http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

Neanderthals come in both genders–one of my EX friends told me she would never vote for a woman during primary time. Sensing a paradigm shift in the making (for me), I asked why and she said women just can’t do that job. My jaw dropped. SHE has daughters!!!! I never spoke to her again. I don’t deal in the bizarre.

Obamastolemycoutry

I, too, had a very good friend who said women can’t be Presient because they rule with their emotions. This came out of a woman’s mouth! I replied, but women are better multi taskers. Now before you men go getting all upset about this statement, it is scientifically proven. Women have a thicker corpus collosum in their brains and so they more quickly process information between the brain’s hemispheres. Women also talk more than men because we have more language centers in our brains and we solve problems while talking through things with others. Men have to listen to others and then think about things a while before they can make decisions. Look it up. It is true.

Obamastolemycoutry

this was supposed to go up above under SNK’s comment!
FLDemFem

So estrogen is bad for the decision making process but testosterone isn’t?? Riiiiiiight.

patriotparty1

None of the above. I have awakened to a new awareness since the election. I NEVER KNEW that democrat = progressive = socialist = Alynski = marxist government takeover of our republic.

I was for Hillary, but now I remember very well the night she said she would describe herself as a “modern progressive”. Since reading, and seeing just what that means, I can no longer be a democrat, nor vote for anyone who calls themselves progressive.

Period!

Onofre’s arm

Hey patriotparty1, over on the “One World Un-saved” thread, you’ll find some real “progressives” who are very representative of the new Democrat party, one even proudly admits she’s a communist. For more than 70 years, “progessive” has been the American code name for communist, I’m glad they’re finally admitting it.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Indeed, Patriotparty1. They need you over on that thread. These are hate spewing “new” Democrats = Obamacrats. Ugliest bots we’ve had for a very long time. Most of the time they’re just silly. With Copenhagen and all, guess they had to send over the Obamacorps, the ones in the brown shirts.

beachnan

I considered myself a Progressive, before the shenanigans of the primary season of 2008. I don’t recognize the group that now considers themselves the New Democratic Party. Don’t get all hung up on labels. You need to look at the politican’s actions. Hillary is not a communist.

Onofre’s arm

Then she should review the history of the communists in this country. They did, and do, call themselves progressives, and they also have been very frank about their intention to infiltrate the Democrat Party and change it to their way of thinking. They’ve succeeded I’d say. And if it were a simple matter of labels, then Hillary should be careful not to label herself with such a tainted appellation.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yes, I agree OA. I always loved Hil but have been very disturbed that she joined the Obamacraps.

trixta

Also, the “progressives” hate the Clintons …always have.

susan

I got this article e-mailed to me today, enjoy:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-6572-NY-Obama-Administration-Examiner~y2009m12d17-Are-Hillary-Clinton-supporters-murmuring-I-told-you-so

insanelysane

Susan, THANK YOU for posting this link. I loved the article and I posted it to my facebook wall and I am printing it out and mailing it off to a select group of A**holes that got on my nerves in the primaries.

What a vindication and nice to see it so well documented.
Using his own words and deeds against him. It put me in a much better mood.
Thanks again

sowsear

This article covered it nicely.
How anyone could have overloooked all of BO’s faults and voted for him is beyond me.

snosandy

You betcha!
Scout

We’re murmuring it, shouting it, typing it, humming it, tweeting it, telephoning it, and occasionally transmitting it by morse code. It’s gonna take a while to cover all the bases.
beachnan

Thank you Susan. That article by Marc Rubin was music to my ears–sweet, beautiful, joyous music.
http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Thanks, I sent it to my family members. Can’t help gloating…Things were really rude during the election. One of my ex-friends has begun making friendly gestures lately…don’t know if I can trust her. I definitely won’t talk politics if we get together for lunch. I’d have to have her bring up the subject and admit her stupidity. The old 60′s friend has disappeared for good…good to find out what a woman hater he really was.

RecoveringDemoholic

I did not have time to thoroughly read comments.

An added poll, “Actually voted for: Obama v. McCain,” might have been amusing.
Portia Elizabeth

If you all want to really feel good, get a copy of December’s Vogue magazine. There’s a lengthy and very favorable article about our Hillary as SoS. It explains the changes occurring now with people realizing what an amazing person and leader Hillary truly is. And there are some great pix. If you don’t want to buy a copy, look at your local library. It’s a great read and gives me hope for 2012 and beyond!

Peggy Sue

I read the Vogue piece online, Portia E. [can't remember the site]. And I agree, it was a terrific article. I particularly appreciated the description of the reception Hillary received in Africa [remember, the only detail the press picked up was the "channeling Bill" dustup with a student].

Well worth the read!

candymarl

I’m hot. Or so I’ve been told. No POTUS for me. Guess I’d have to vote for Hillary if she ran. Sigh.

http://www.althing.com/governuts West Virginia

What’s the Sigh mean?

And, if you are HOT, cross your legs. Our POTUS has wandering eyes. I won’t be surprised if he, someday, will exceed Tiger in hole in ones.

Was that low? Naw!

ANonOMouse

If all Tiger did was a hole in one, Elin wouldn’t be leaving. I think the last count was a hole in 12. Way over par

http://www.althing.com/governuts West Virginia

ZING!

Putting on the fringe with a wedge.
http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Well, Flim-Flam man is married to MEshill and they are a matched pair. I can’t see either of them with anyone else…ick. Who would want either of them?

Docelder

The purple lip thing isn’t the ultimate deal buster?

ANonOMouse

I noticed as I checked the poll results that 10, count em’ 10 dumbasses voted for Obama even knowing what they know today. These folks are WAY PAST STUPID.

Docelder

Yep, there were probably 10 drawn to the one world unsaved thread. They are drawn to Al Gore like moths are drawn to the flame. Or actually, more like mosquitoes are drawn to the bug zappers.

http://www.althing.com/governuts West Virginia

What goes through a moth’s mind when they crash into a bug zapper?

Congress is going to vote into law a HCB that has nothing that the progressives want, just to allow Obama to say they passed a HCB.

I do not understand the people I do not understand.

Docelder

A bill that admittedly nobody has read. Fresh off the lobbyists desks just in time to vote on it. Gotta get that “A” for the President. That is the thing, there is not even the appearance of propriety. The senate is bought and paid for by corporate America. Just like the House and just like our narcissistic friend in the White House. Hope and change. Right.

andrew

The full text of the pending Senate version is available online. Maybe someone should send the republicans a memo?

http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

felizarte

What goes through a moth’s mind when they crash into a bug zapper?

Better dead than dem?

Texas Playwright

When WOMEN wake up and vote for a qualified woman, a highly qualified woman like Hillary and a qualified woman like Sarah (if they read the actual facts of Sarah’s accomplishments and Sarah herself starts to speak more about policy, which she will if she’s considering 2012), we’ll have a woman president. I’m still shocked, appalled, disgusted and downright nauseated at the millions of women who drank the Kool Aid, refused to do their homework on the candidates and let the patriarchy practice unfettered misogyny in 2008.

Female media tolerating such blatant attacks on Hillary and Sarah are the most spineless of all, IMO. These highly paid women “journalists” could have called out male media and politicians early on and set the tone for a far more respectful election. Katie is the worst–AFTER the primaries she looked into the camera with that fake gravitas and mentioned the mistreatment of Hillary. Katie, Campbell, Diane, Robin, Andrea, Cokie all had a chance to stand up for women instead of currying favor with the vicious patriarchy. More spineless women we do not need.

http://www.althing.com/governuts West Virginia

Women reporters and leaders do not want Hillary to take their “stage.” It is a petty thing that women have to get past. You have to reduce PELOSI in order to advance womens’s issues. She just wants to be queen and will stop any advancement of any woman that gets between her and the idea that if some left-wing nut shoots Obama and Biden goes hiding in the Alps then she becomes president.

But, then again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjy7RAu8TJ4

sowsear

Pelosi as president is a nauseating idea, but I’ll bet she might just be “on the precipice” looking for her own brand of Hope and Change.
trixta

I think those women in the MSM (mentioned above) have a sad case of self-hatred as women.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Ditto.

brittany

As a 40 year democrat, now an independent, I would never vote for Obama for anything. Ever. He was transparent from day one. A Chicago pol who invented his life story and is a complete fraud.
Sassy

It’s good to see that Hillary is receiving some appreciation now.
However, in all honesty, she has lost the support of my family.
They do not follow politics as closely as I, but were life-long dems, and always voted.
If John McCain had gotten the Republican nomination against George W. Bush, we would have voted McCain over Gore, and we reside in TN.!
J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)

I am not feeling the love here.

Signed,

B. Obama
rosa

The media is ,Matthews and others,Fox bringing out books about Bill Clinton trying to bring up old issues ………..they sure didn’t wait too long after Hillary’s new poll numbers