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Yes, We Kaine??????

Today come reports about potential democratic running mates for BO. Until now, a pretty tight cordon has been maintained with only speculation to chew on about who might make a good running mate.

Well, now the flood gates have opened and the celestial choirs are tuning up.

According to today’s WaPo, Virginia Gov. Timothy Kaine, Senator Evan Bayh (Indiana) and Senator Joe Biden, Jr (Del) are being seriously vetted. “Others considered” include Senator Christopher Dodd (Conn.), Senator Hillary Clinton (NY) and former Senator Samm Nunn (Ga). Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is mentioned further down in the article for some reason.

For those not in the know, “seriously vetted” is different from “indifferently vetted” – a category likely being applied to Senator Jack Reed (R.I.) and republican Senator Chuck Hagel (Neb) this year’s sacrificial lamb for post-partisan bipartisanship.

But the lead on the story revolves around Governor Kaine, who has leaked the information (or been told to leak).

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Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine has told close associates that he has had “very serious” conversations with Sen. Barack Obama about joining the Democratic presidential ticket and has provided documents to the campaign as it combs through his background, according to several sources close to Kaine.
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Aides to Kaine declined to comment about the possibility that Obama might pick him, referring all questions to the senator’s campaign. “The governor has been pretty clear from the beginning, when Senator Obama asked him to be a national co-chair, that any conversation he has with the campaign, on any topic, are conversations that he is keeping private,” said Delacey Skinner, Kaine’s spokeswoman.

Any conversation private? Huh? Such as whether one is being considered for VP?
Anyway, it looks like the BO campaign is floating the idea of Kaine for the following reason:

Kaine, a former Richmond mayor, would bring outside-the-Beltway credentials to the campaign. The relationship the two share would seem to fit with Obama’s desire, as he said, for someone “with independence — who’s willing to tell me where he thinks, or she thinks, I’m wrong.” And the governor probably would bolster Obama in Virginia, where the campaign is making an all-out push.

But there are concerns:

. . .Kaine has no foreign policy background, and as a first-term governor, he may add to voters’ concerns about Obama’s experience. Kaine remains popular in Virginia, but he has had trouble dealing with Republicans and has no single defining achievement to point to on the campaign trail.

ontheissues.org has a profile of the different policy positions Governor Kaine takes, although there are significant gaps in information and the latest is about two years old. Whether that is from a lack of information or a chronic inability to articulate a position, a la Obama, is not clear.

Notably, Kaine has “a faith-based opposition to abortion” and is a member of Democrats for Life of America.

Ontheissues has this from Gov. Kaine about abortion:

Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion

I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.

Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005

Back in June, the Boston Globe had a story on Gov. Kaine, with some of it echoed in today’s WaPo.

Obama, though, clearly has warm feelings for Kaine, who befriended the Illinois senator when he came to Virginia to stump for Kaine in 2005. (They discovered that their mothers came from the same small town in Kansas.) Campaigning in Virginia last week, Obama appeared with all three of Virginia’s Democratic notables, but he reserved special affection for Kaine.

“When you’re in the political business, there are a lot of people who are your allies, there are a lot of people who you’ve got to do business with, but you don’t always have a lot of friends,” Obama said at a rally, according to the Washington Post’s Virginia Politics blog. “The governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia is my friend.”
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Kaine, 50, was raised in Kansas City, Mo., the son of an ironworker and a home economics teacher. After graduating from the University of Missouri with an economics degree, he went to Harvard Law School. After his first year, he took a year off to serve as a Jesuit missionary in Honduras, running a small vocational school for teenage boys and honing his Spanish.
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In his 2005 campaign for governor, Kaine introduced himself as a leader guided by his “family and Christian faith,” and he used that image to fend off a Republican attack on a wedge issue.
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Kaine said he hopes religious Democrats learn to talk about their faith in campaigns – not to proselytize, but to explain themselves to voters. “Democrats talk too often about, ‘Here’s what I think about this issue,’ ” he said. “They give the policies, but they don’t give the flesh and blood. Voters want to understand what motivates you.”

Well, that’s nice, Gov. Kaine. Mind telling that to Obama? We still don’t know what motivates him other than a mirror.

According to Terry McAuliffe, Virginia is a key state and Kaine would be a good choice. The Falls Church News-Press had an article on July 24th about a visit by McAuliffe.

McAuliffe was adamant in his recommendation of Kaine as the Democratic Party’s vice presidential nominee Tuesday, although he stressed to the News-Press after his speech, which included an informal half-hour question and answer period, that the ultimate choice will be Obama’s very personal one.

However, the fact that he proposed Kaine over his own candidate and long-time friend, Hillary Clinton, suggested that he knows the Clinton option is off the table.

He told the large audience in the school cafeteria that there are only two factors in picking a vice president. The first, he said, is the ability of the choice to govern effectively as president, if need be. The second is personal compatibility with the presidential candidate.

“These are the only two factors that really matter,” he said. “Others, like geographical considerations, are much less important.”

Kaine was among the first public officials to endorse Obama’s campaign a year before the launch of the primary season, and has campaigned with him often.

OK, so is Kaine the guy? Arguments for him look strong and in line with the type of person Obama might look for. But you never know. Kaine could find himself under the bus if this “float” finds problems. Although it seems like a leak – and could be – at this point, leaking a potential running mate’s name allows for more information to come out about that person than might be found through traditional vetting procedures.

Having gotten so far in the vetting process, Kaine may have found himself in the position of having to leak his own status (and look like a self-important tool) in order to allow less subtle digging and all out opposition research to take a crack at him. If anything objectionable pops up, Kaine will be someone Obama “thought he knew.”

And, having written off women over 40, I very much doubt any problems with Kaine’s pro-life views will be taken seriously. It is more likely to be considered a plus when trying to attract disaffected republicans.

Well, we’ll see. And NQ readers? Fire away.

  • roseeriter

    Cute play on title. I actually have never heard of Kaine before the VP talk. Kind of like never heard much about Obama until he became a potus candidate.

    • TeaMug

      same here with regards to both Kaine and Obama.

      I just hope Santa doesn’t stuff Obama in my christmas stocking as a joke. I wonder how many babies are being born and been given the name Obama. Mary and Josphe what have you started?

      • Jim S

        Would Obama be that lump of coal we were all threatened with when we were kids?

        I missed the period between Obama and Mary and thought it read Obama, Mary and Josph…

    • beebop

      Do you think Obama has him confused with Tom Kean from the 911 Commission? I mean, really …..

      How does this choice make this a “progressive ticket?” I am thunderstruck by a candidate for FISA and against a woman’s right to choose. Bring on the Republicans ….

      • Skiron

        And a certain former candidate who voted for the Iraq war, suggested the idea of nuclear action against Iran, moralized against video game violence, and espoused gun rights more vociferously than Charlton Heston is progressive, I guess…

        • JozefAL

          Well, a certain current candidate didn’t have an opportunity to take a formal stance on the war (pro or con) since he wasn’t in the US Senate (but since entering the Senate, he hasn’t done much to stop the war). That same certain current candidate also suggested the idea of bombing Pakistan (which happens to be one of our “allies” in the War on Terror). He also supported the recent Supreme Court decision that overturned the DC Gun Ban (AFTER strongly supporting DC’s ban). He also voted on the “compromise” FISA bill which allowed telecom immunity.
          But, I suppose you think THAT is “progressive”.

      • Zeke

        Wait ’til Obama finds out that the Kaine he’s getting isn’t the “Citizen Kane” he thought.

        • AliasJohnDoe

          It’s strange how Oba(maKaine) sounds like McCain.

      • Clinton Fan

        They want to try to grab VA from McCain, which is why his name is coming up. McCain has strong support in most of the state, because VA is a “Navy” state, and a “military” state as well.

        But hey, I’ll bet they’ve taken that VP file that had JOHN EDWARDS written on the tab, and tossed that baby (and I DO mean BABY) in the trash!!

        As for Clinton, she probably told TA to get out there and shill the guy. Anything to keep a ten foot pole distance from Obama and his shitty ticket. And truth to tell, Obama did not want her on the ticket, no way, no how–it’s why he put Patti Solis Doyle as the aide to the VP, whosoever he (or she, but probably not) will be. Ain’t that special, the boss-man choosing your help FOR you, without allowing you any input at all.

        That action was sorta like tossing a turd in the Kool Aid punch–no way is she gonna drink it.

        Thank heavens. She needs to stay as far away from that creep as she decently can, while indicating that she’ll help if asked. Of course, he won’t ask–his fucking ego won’t let him…until it’s too late. Then, when he loses, he’ll blame her! Just watch….

    • Cindy

      I wish I’d never heard of EITHER of them! (Barry and Kaine)

    • MEchelle Hates America!

      They’re both speech monkeys. Oblowme with the Dem convention and Kaine with the response to the State of the Union address, at which he sucked.

      BTW: Could he look any more like Scott McClellen/Eddie Munster?

      Kaine is from the Kansas City, Missouri area originally. He went to private Catholic schools.

      The problem for Oblowme is that any competent VP choice will make him look more inexperienced.

      People will instantly think, why is this clown Oblowme, the Pres. candidate?

    • skepticle

      You’d never heard of them? So what? It’s neither Obama’s nor Kaine’s fault that you’re completely ignorant of American politics. Go watch American Idol and leave politics to people who actually give a shit about our country.

  • Donkey Brazziere

    No vote no matter he choo choo chooses.

  • Zee

    Oh, please please please!!!

    I want to see the Obamathugs CHOKE on their ROE arguments!!!

    lololololololol!!!!!

    • ScottVA

      I TOTALLY AGREE!

      Plus I live here in Northern VA and I can tell you Kaine has accomplished practically nothing as Gov here. Sounds a bit like Obama as Senator LOL Maybe they should run together!

      • Patricia

        I also live in Virginia, and you are 100% right
        he has done nothing, but raise all kinds of fees
        since the Republicans will not let him raise taxes
        he has added fees to everything!!!

    • Sharon

      Hear hear!

      And then, if McCain would only choose Colin Powell as his running mate, the bamboozler’s (and his bots’) “racism” accusations are OFF THE TABLE. Gawd, I’d love that – playing the race card is all bambi’s got – if he and his trolls and his minions in the media can’t play that one, we could enjoy watching “The One” circling the bowl at lightning speed!

      I sure hope McCain is thinking about that – republicans have always been so good at taking away the opponent’s perceived strength. Not that playing the race card is oblahblah’s strength – but we all know it is his weapon of choice.

      I want bambi and all his co-conspirators utterly destroyed – whatever it takes – even electing the (dreaded) republican.

      • Skiron

        Hate to break it to you, but Powell is an Obama supporter and would never accept the VP slot on the McCain ticket.

        • Sharon

          He might!

      • HRocks

        The McCains have adopted a child, who was unadoptable according to Mother Teresa. Because of this adopted child, it would be difficult for Obama to call McCain racist. So, I think, the only one playing the race card will be Obama and his bots who don’t have all the information.

      • Clinton Fan

        Powell is too old. The Gulf War, when he was a vigorous, middle aged General, was, what, sixteen years ago? The guy is ONLY a year younger than McCain.

        He served in Vietnam, too.

        Plus, he’s too weak. He didn’t stand up to Bush as Secretary of State, and Bush wiped his ass with the man. He could have spoken out, but he didn’t. He slunk off, and then fretted.

        He should have stood up, said fuck you, and resigned. Certainly not a Profile in Courage.

        Figures he would support Obama–he’s an accomodator, who is used to being used. He’s a poor choice for McCain, though–they’d call it the Bucket List ticket, or something like that.

      • skepticle

        His “co-conspirators” like noted Obama supporter Hillary Clinton, you mean? SEXIST!!!

        • Slobodaneee

          Thanks

          • Slobodaneee

            OOps hit the key too fast. I meant thanks for the post. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Clinton Fan

      Hahahahahaha!

      They’ll probably pull out the old CASEY arguments, when Obama strolled around with the anti-abortion PA Senator. Ask any acolyte, they’ll tell ya:

      “Ewwwwww….he’w EWWWWN-LEEEEEE (that’s ONLY, to normal people) DEWWWWing it to get VOTES, don’t YEW see? He doesn’t MEEEEEEAN it…! Like, Maaaaahn, it’s like, actually, a PLOY, DEWWWD…like, ya know?”

  • Mary Kay

    I wonder how much Obama paid him to be his running mate?

  • Seattle Moss

    Yes McCain!
    NobaKaine

    • K Lynne

      Is it just me, or does ‘NoBaKaine’ sound like an anaesthetic??

      • brendy

        Comment by K Lynne | 2008-07-29 19:16:36

        Is it just me, or does ‘NoBaKaine’ sound like an anaesthetic??

        ***

        LOL! I thought the same thing (like novacaine or novacane – spelling? – someone who has a cold or stopped up nose: ‘nobakaine’.

        • stateofdisbelief

          Novacaine can “dull” the “pain” — NoBaKaine is “dull” and “pain”ful.

  • HARP

    Biden was in favor of dividing Iraq into 3 regions.

    • Seattle Moss

      Partitioning Iraq
      Thoughts from the hysterical times!

    • Zeke

      Biden is an unapologetic plagiarist. I’m not surprised his defective thought processes could come up with a return to the nineteenth century. When this suggestion was proposed, the Turks were crapping masonry!

  • Hope is the last to die

    By tomorrow Kaine might be under the ‘Change’ bus.

    • Mary Kay

      You never know.

    • Shainzona

      Poor soul. Another believer who is tossed aside.

      But, it’s a big bus and I’m sure many others are destined for the same spot.

    • d2d

      ditto. he’ll be under the bus with the rest of us good souls.

      read downstairs that Jesus joined us today. welcome, Jesus.

      i’m feeling pretty good with the company i’m keeping these days under this here bus!

  • bert

    The Patriot Room calls this possible pairing the Toddler Ticket. About sums it up for me.

    • birdgal

      The “Toddler Ticket” complete with pampers.

      • d2d

        that’s funny!!!!!!

        and so apropos :-)

        • Zeke

          “What do want to be when you grow up Barry?”

          “Well, tomorrow, we’re stumping in Illinois…..”

      • TeakwoodKite

        You know how much them suckers cost these days? Yikes!

        In BO’s case, with all the diapering he requires, that’s is about as much as the national debt, which will increase 800 billion dollars next year to close to 9 trillion dollars!!!

        All these igits can manage is to stand in the Costco Diaper section and HOPE the price doesn’t CHANGE more, because if that happens they will be more expensive than the price of gas and BO has a lot BS coming from his Crap Cannon.

      • Obama is a bum

        I would hate to be the one who had the task of changing them.

        • Zeke

          Change we can Hope for…

    • Peggy Sue

      The Toddler Ticket! How funny! Or sad, depending on your mood.

      PUMApac.org

    • fif

      Kaine has no foreign policy background, and as a first-term governor, he may add to voters’ concerns about Obama’s experience. Kaine remains popular in Virginia, but he has had trouble dealing with Republicans and has no single defining achievement to point to on the campaign trail.

      Seriously–he’s going to pick someone with just as little experience?! Please, please do it–I would love that. And how are the progressive bloggers receiving news of pro-life Kaine? Naral? Two neophytes with zero foreign policy experience, how stupid would that be?

  • Ferdberfle

    I can see it now, Citizen Kaine.

    • workingclass artist

      Is Terry….a sabotuer ( sp ? )….Hmmmm….very interestink

      • Ferdberfle

        Comrade Obama/Citizen Kaine for president. The acronym is disturbing.

      • d2d

        he always seems to be looking out for the more SANE part of the D party

    • brendy

      Citizen Kaine to go along with Citizen Obama (citizen of the ‘world’ Obama).

    • Zeke

      Ferd, you rascal!
      Unless you ‘snuck to the bottom,’ I Citizen Kaine’d before you did!
      Neener, neener, neener!

  • Shainzona

    Outside of Seblius, I am filled with audacious hope that Kaine is the VP choice. I can’t think of anyone more unqualified for the position as a “progressive” Dem than Kaine – oh, and, of course, Barry himself.

    Sebelius is equally repugant – along with McCaskill or any women other than Hillary.

    (Actually, I don’t want HRC to be VP – I don’s want her blamed for every Obama disaster or have to clean up his shit just like every “little women” does.)

    • Slobodaneee

      Why do you dislike Sebelius or any woman other than Hillary? Sebelious has more executive experience than both Obama or Hillary. Sebelius actually took on and WON against the insurers in her home state. I understand Hillary got many votes, but she like you doesn’t like Obama so they couldn’t work well together. I happen to think that Hill is effectively blocking Obama from picking a woman VP. Apparently, in Hill’s world she has to be the one to break the glass ceiling.

  • UM

    The only way I would vote for bambi is if Hillary was on the ticket. No way otherwise that I would waste my vote on an inexperienced arrogant buffoon who has already started acting as if he is president

    • HARP

      Hillary playing second fiddle in a rap band…no thanks.

      • TeaMug

        Hillary for President

      • skepticle

        Guess what? Not all black people like rap music. They also don’t like watermelon or fried chicken any more than the rest of us. Got any more racist stereotypes that need clearing up?

        • Slobodaneee

          Skepticle,

          You hit a sore point with many of them here. If you point out a racially tinted statement as you did, they claim its not racist. In an earlier post someone using a deviation of Michelle Obama’s first name referred to Obama as a speech monkey. They will claim that there are no racists statements on this site. Apparently, the deniers don’t read their fellow Obama haters posts.

      • bmc

        Hillary playing second fiddle in a rap band. No Thanks.

        Rapper Ludacris’ new song attacks Clinton:

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52f_1217434061&p=1

        Ludicrous.

        Do you think he just didn’t know how to spell it?

    • Donkey Brazziere

      I don’t want Hillary to be his coffee girl.

      • TeaMug

        I don’t think there will be any chance of Hillary being the coffee girl. Do you remember the time, when she couldn’t work the coffee machine? Obama probably rigged it..

        • Zeke

          Mug,
          I must confess that I laughed pretty hard at that. Such a great example of a photo op going so totally south…
          I agree with you that she wouldn’t accept. I’ve said this before, she has a very good memory. Forgetting that worthless little shite (just for you, mug) flipped her off on TV, and so condescendingly commented that she was “like-able enough,” will happen just about the time I buy a Che’ T-shirt, pick up my copy of “Quotations of Chairman Mao,” and scream out “Dictatorship of the Proletariat!” and “Workers of the world unite!”
          You may also be careful outdoors due to the concumbent flying pig storms.

  • HARP

    He is trying for the old (K)Cain and Able trick. He forgets that (K)Cain killed Able.

  • tdillian

    I live in VA. Kaine is NOT popular here, and frankly people are POed at him. I don’t know why people say “Kaine remains popular in Virginia”. HE IS NOT!

    The only reason I and many many other people voted for him was because he was endorsed by then governor Mark Warner. If Mark Warner was the VP candidate, VA may go blue.. BUT KAINE??? NOT!

    BTW…Mark Warner has already said NO!

    Kaine last year had the STUPIDEST LAW: If you are caught speeding, if you an out of state plate, you do not have to pay a fine, BUT if you are a VA resident you have to pay the full amount and an extra bit.

    Needless to say, the state ct said this was inconstitution.. WHAT A MORON!

    Now, he is spending his time registering felons who can vote in November.

    I say, PICK KAINE! The repubs will go right after him, and most Virginians like me who voted for him really do not like him anymore.. as my co-worker said today “Kaine is shifty, not to be trusted”, this being said by a VA voter!

    • HARP

      Sounds like he would fit right in.

      • csuzeq

        All PUMAs should write to the dem sand tell them yes, we’ll climb abourd the hopey changey bus if Kaine is VP. Tell them we love him. Then I guess we’ll just flip flop. Lets demand a VP (loser) and then still vote McCain!

        • d2d

          i’m in. he’d be a great choice … check mate!
          hahahahahahahahaha

        • brendy

          EXCELLENT SUGGESTION! I’ hate to see Hillary or Evan Bayh picked as VP; they’re both too decent to have their future careers destroyed by the likes of Obummer!

    • doppich

      I’m not a Kaine fan, but those “abusive driver fees” were not a Kaine invention. As always, the GOP, who controls the House of Delegates, invents “fees” so they can keep up their anti-tax posturing. Probably Kaine shouldn’t have signed the legislation, but you see how it stands after repeal of the fees: No revenue stream replaced thes fee (I wrote to my Delegate and asked for a gas tax to replace them), so VDOT is cutting w-a-y back on already approved projects, and matching federal funds are at risk.

      • d2d

        ahhh, but doppich, Kaine signed into law the abusive driver fee legislation. therefore tdillian’s statement is CORRECT.

        Kaine may have not been the one to propose the legislative package the R’s put up but he did cave to their demands and thus, signed that silly legislation making it the law of the Commonwealth for a year.

        the courts ruled it unconstitutional and the people of Virginia spoke out by signing petitions, writing lte’s and talking to their legislators. fortunately the people that got fined while the absurd law was in place are being reimbursed by the state – your tax dollars!

    • Peggy Sue

      Well, if Kaine is “shifty” then he’s the perfect Obama running mate. HRC? No way do I want her on this ticket. And if by some miraculous intervention [like OB's folks get wind that the numbers are against them] and she does become a veep, then unfortunately, I’ll vote against her.

      No Obama, no way, with or without Hillary [who, btw, is too good to play second fiddle to anyone].

      PUMApac.org

    • Maximus

      Yeah this guy could not win a race for dogcatcher in Our Glorious Commonwealth, right now.

      The abusive driver thing done him in.

      Silliest piece of legislation the Va General Assembly ever enacted, since the time of Gov. Dinwiddie.

      Obama-Kaine. I’d have to lay in so much popcorn that someone might mistake me for a Cargill futures trader.

      I think Obama needs to reach across the aisle. I really prefer Anne Vennaman, at this time.

    • Clinton Fan

      A lot like Deval Patrick (Obama’s pal) in Massachusetts, where the YES WE CAN campaign crafted by Axelrod was first tried out on a small scale. It worked the first time–Patrick was elected. The second time, though, Massachusetts just said no and went for HRC. Our governor and senators ignored the electorate, though…smugly arrogant of them.

      The governor in MA, also, is a profound disappointment. Not as horrible as Romney, but sure as hell not any “change we can believe in” either. In fact, he’s pretty fucking stupid when it comes to the fundamentals…like “getting along” with the legislature, like not writing a budget until you have your funding streams locked down…you know, the basic stuff.

      Hate to quote that idiot in the White House, but damn…”Fool me once…heh, heh..won’t git fooled agin!!!”

  • varepub

    I can see the logic in the Kaine pick, Catholic and popular Virginian. However, being pro-life Kaine is a choice that appears to tell the Dem women, as moi of the OB camp, “you really shouldn’t worry your pretty little heads and let us men folk tell you what is best.”

    Speaking of VP picks I have been pushing hard for Sarah Palin as McCain’s pick. Now the kos children will have some bs scandal story (not true) she still has over 80% favorable as Gov of Alaska. Go here for the truth http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/.

    Please tell me what you think.

    • Shainzona

      I agree – Palin is a great choice (young, female, pro-choice but with strong family “ties”). What scandal is associated with her (something to do with her fishing boat captin husband?)

      • d2d

        any funny business with Stevens? any ties to that crooked little twerp? just curious.

        never have been too fond of him. always seemed willing to sell off Alaska’s beautiful assets all for the sake of the almighty dollar!

      • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

        Palin is pro-life, not pro-choice.

        • Shainzona

          Really – hmmm, I read something otherwise. I know she has a Down Syndrome child (her last birth) but I thought she was more moderate on choice.

          • Peggy Sue

            No, I think just the opposite. Palin is pro-life and would not have had intervention with or without a Downs syndrome child. At the very least, she’s proved to live by her own standard. Though I don’t personally agree, I can respect that personal decision. And frankly, this sort of decision is always personal and for me at least underscores why the Government has no business meddling.

            PUMApac.org.

            • varepub

              Peggy Sue,

              Amen about the “Government meddling” comment. Yes Gov. Palin is pro-life, but at least she is a woman with that position. I as a man will never be able to even come close in understanding the heart wrenching and life changing choice many young girls and women must make and I have no right to tell them either way. I just wish the rest of my party felt the same way.

        • d2d

          i appreciate that tidbit.

          know nada about Palin

        • Shainzona

          You’re right. My bad.

          OK, Palin is off my list…how about the HP lady?

          • varepub

            The, as you say “HP” lady aka Carly Fiorina (I don’t believe anyboby called Jack Welsh that GE guy), might be another good choice.

            Back to Sarah Palin. I know Gov. Palin is not pro-choice and I have never said otherwise. I too wish she was less strict with her stance on this issue and I am a Republican. However, I am a man and she is a woman and has way more cred in this realm than I or Kaine.

    • Clinton Fan

      It’s a horrible choice, though. The Obama bots keep whining that “EWWWWW…McCain’s gonna get the Supreme Court, like, DEWWWD, to like, ya know, overturn Roe Vee Wade, Maaaahn!!!” Like McCain has magic powers and authority over the court, and can ORDER the court to take up cases.

      If Obama puts a “dude” who opposes “Roe Vee Wade” on his ticket, what does that say about his commitment to choice?

      It says he doesn’t HAVE a commitment.

      Even Reagan forced Bush The Old Man to lie and say he changed his mind on the issue. His wife, Battle Axe Barbara, went on TV and basically said it was Nudge Wink Bullshit, and then she was forced to say she didn’t really mean that…but the “message” was telegraphed nonetheless. Reagan was able to have his cake and eat it too. He forced his VP to pretend to be anti-abortion, but all the moderate prochoice GOP knew that Bush was really one of them.

      That’s not going to work with Kaine, though. He won’t change his tune for Obama.

      You may as well vote for one as the other, if Kaine is on the ticket, if you’re a one issue voter.
      It basically takes the whole Choice issue off the discussion board, because both parties will be running on an antiabortion ticket of sorts.

      If the issue of choice isn’t a choice-point, then Obama loses an advantage with the pro-choice crowd. That can’t be good for his numbers.

      I hope he does pick Kaine. Hell, the ticket sounds like Ohhh buy McCain…. (Obama Kaine).

  • Un coup de des

    I am not interested.

    • Shainzona

      You won’t accept the VP spot if asked? Wow. Another Dem with principles!!

      I won’t accept, either. Even if begged.

      • workingclass artist

        Ehemmm….I won’t be asked…I’m Working Class. Obama and his fascist Unity Rockband are afraid of my crowd….Wer’e too crass….LOL

  • csuzeq

    Poor Terry MacCauliffe, doe she know he’s going to be thrown under the bus when Ofraudma loses:

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070808/content/01125108.guest.html

    • Chicago Joe

      Limbaugh is a nut case.

      • Bigtime

        Limbaugh is a nut case that millions listen to and he is anti Obama and that is another reason that I hate the DNC/RBC. They have put me on the same side as the opposition who I have found repulsive and distasteful and now I wish them well on their mission to inform people to the character of the objectionable Obama. The O has no achievements with which to judge him by so I will judge him by his mentors and life-guides/cohorts and I have found him badly lacking.

        Hillary is the answer time after time.

  • Faustina

    Looks to me that with Kaine, Obama is hoping to reel in evangelical and Catholic voters, which would include many Hispanics among them. Somebody in his campaign probably has a computer simulation toting up all the gains and losses with this particular choice.

    Mr Kaine is extremely inexperienced, but I guess that doesn’t matter a whole lot when you have John Kerry and Christopher Dodd telling you what to do. Neverthless, nobody can make an honest man of Obama. He is who he is.

    It’s really a game. I just hope McCain, for his VP, is not committed to Romney who is almost as much of a flipflopping phoney as Obama himself.

    • Linda

      Leave it to Barky to think that move would actually help him.

      Especially because we know he isn’t doing too well with the Democratic base, Catholic, Protestant or Evangelical.

      AND…Evangelicals are drawn to PRINCIPLED persons, one of strong convictions, and that totally erases Barky from the list.

      “According to a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, Mr. Obama attracted the support of 25 percent of white evangelicals in June (Mr. McCain earns 61 percent of the voting bloc), where Mr. Kerry and Mr. Gore, in June 2004 and 2000, attracted the support of 26 percent and 28 percent respectively.

      And while white evangelicals were never thought to be a perfect match for a Democratic nominee who is a staunch supporter of abortion rights and recently had a dust-up with Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson, the Pew survey found Mr. Obama is lagging behind in terms of Mainline Protestant support.

      Where Mr. Gore was earning 48 percent of support from Mainline protestants in June 2000, Mr. Obama is at 39 percent.

      Among Catholics, a Democratic voting bloc that heavily favored Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Mr. Obama earns 42 percent of the support; seven points behind the level of support obtained by Messrs. Kerry and Gore.

      “There is not much that evangelicals have in common with the policies promoted by Barack Obama,” said Blair Latoff, spokesperson for the Republican National Committee.

      “Despite his best efforts to court people of faith, voters understand the difference between lip service and public service and John McCain’s record is much more in line with the values of the evangelical community.”

      http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19875893&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

    • workingclass artist

      Catholics know about Liberation Theology and it’s fascist daughter Black Liberation Theology….Aint’ gonna happen

      • Ferdberfle

        They also know the value of good works. Good and work are two words that never appear in the same paragraph as Obama.

    • fif

      Romney is a good possibility because of his economic strengths. It’s going to be all about the economy, and that’s McCain’s weakness, so he is seeking to balance it. Not that I’m a Romney fan…

    • brendy

      IMO, I don’t see HOW Obama gets ANY Christian or Jewish votes – after learning how he was ‘taught’ in his own hate-filled church!!! And, I still don’t think he’s a Christian – too much baggage with Muslim relatives and people who want to blow us up, and his hate-filled ‘Christian’ church was just a front for his ‘political’ advantage.

      People in this country really amaze (and scare) me when it comes to picking presidents. The evidence is all out there about Obummer, yet so many refuse to even consider it.

  • Linda

    lol Oh yes, Obama please choose Kaine. How fitting.

    Hillary as the nominee,
    or McCain it will be.

    • tek

      I do think if Obama chooses Kaine, or really anyone but Hillary, his support will erode even further. So, it’s fine with me.

  • Sassy

    I can’t see how Kaine could justify serving with the acolyte from the RIGHT REVEREND WRIGHT’S church. I thought he was a devout family man!

  • Un coup de des

    And now we will have two sexist pigs bashing abortion rights and gay rights on the campaign trail with Donnie McClurkin in a series of gospel performances to take place in Virginia.

    Our Party has gone to hell.

    • Linda

      Yes, and then complete the little triangle with Casey of PA for AG.

      The 3 little pigs would be in their glory, no women, and keeping then tied and in check.

    • workingclass artist

      Sheeesh! You’d think they’d have the decency to Phil ( Butwipe ) Graham and just cross the aisle already!

  • The Real Hope

    Kane – McCain. Weird. Won’t work for the phonetics disability alone.

  • steel magnolia

    No, we Kaine’t!

    • Ferdberfle

      ROFL. Dueling gainsay mottos: Yes we can; no we Kain’t.

      Hahahaha

      • d2d

        ROFLMFAO!!!!!

  • CountryFirst

    So, Gov. Kaine has provided documents to the campaign as it combs through his background. Perhaps he should as for the same courtesy from BO, so he can comb through BO’s background.

  • AF catfish

    Bonus – Kaine is weak on marriage equality:

    The governor, although elected with the backing of most of the state’s gay groups, opposes gay marriage and civil unions. He has said he supports the first line of the amendment, which limits marriage to a union between one man and one woman.

    • fif

      ugh, another Dem candidate with a weak understanding of the importance of church-state separation.

  • candymarl

    The perfect ticket. Two inexperienced Senators with no foreign policy experience.

    I say – go for it!

    • PKJayne

      Hear! Hear! Sounds like a winner……….lmao

  • hill4pres

    if it’s not hillary, then anyone else is a slap in the face to all her supporters and the fact that she received MORE votes than him

    • workingclass artist

      Hello….They have thrown Both Clinton’s and their supporters under the bus…Out the Window…over the cliff….Pick the phrase that sticks….These Fascists have usurped the party….

    • Zeke

      Would you want your daughter to marry a wife beater?
      Obama is a disease.

  • walkingeagle

    I just got a strange e-mail from hcsfjm.com it said that hillary clinton will be making a statement tonight that would ” rock or even sink the boat on obama “……and that every news channel will be carrying it tomorrow…..anyone else get that ?

    • PKJayne

      What time? I’ll get some popcorn.

    • Lou

      Looks like walking eagle Obama will need an enema after that.

      • d2d

        I’m not as privvy to the inside as some appear to be on this blog BUT if there is anything to the Dual Citizenship claim, which I believe the evidence is certainly more than compelling, then I’d expect some LEADER, ANY LEADER, to stand up and have the COURAGE to speak TO and challenge this debacle, this train wreck people that call themselves Democrats are following the whacked out leadership of the Party into.

        One can only hope this insanity ends AND SOON!

    • Shainzona

      I did….keep your eyes and ears open.

    • Linda K

      yes, I got it too. I can hardly wait.

  • Tim “God Damn AmeriKKKa” Kaine

    Tim Kaine loves Reverend Wright.

    • flyingsongster

      Co-Kaine

      zzzzzzzzzzzz

      NO DEAL
      PUMA

    • Shainzona

      Really? Any links to that?

  • cathnealon

    I live in central Virginia and as a Democrat i voted for aKaine but have been disappointed. He has not been able to accomplish anything of merit and he turned me off as soon as he appointed a corporate executive from HCA who made millions off HCA stock not to mention her 6 figure salary as Virginia’s secretary of Health. The healthcare situation in Virginia is pathetic as in other states but appointing someone so close to corporate interests was disgusting and led to conflict of interests. His appeal to BO is of course his religious beliefs, he’s staunchly what we call “evangelical Catholics.”
    But if Kaine wants any political future after his term as governor he better not hitch his wagon to BO’s post because he’ll go down with him.

    • d2d

      unfortunately though, the people that surround him and the Governor himself, don’t get the downside of this kind of attention. someone is not protecting him. instead, they appear to be dazzled rather than keenly aware of the vastness of their NEW lay of the land.

      I wish them luck.

  • Mandelay

    All v.p. vetting roads lead to Caroline Kennedy. The pre-selected v.p. candidate? The reason why Ted Kennedy endorsed? These days, Caroline spends more time with BO than MO.

    • fif

      No way is it Caroline. She has ZERO governmental experience.

      • Observer

        It fits with Obama’s elitist outlook, though. This is going to be one damn elitist ticket, in a very bad way!

  • Linda

    …and this just in. Maybe Gov Kaine leaked the story when he REALLY should NOT HAVE.

    Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine cancels appearance at Baltimore fundraiser
    By Politicker Staff
    Category: PresidentTags: Tim Kaine

    Due to a “scheduling problem,” PolitickerMD.com has learned that Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine will not attend tomorrow night’s Unity ’08 Fundraiser for the Maryland Democratic State Central Committee as previously planned.

    The State Democratic Party learned of Kaine’s cancellation earlier today.

    Kaine’s appearance at the Baltimore event was announced on July 11, just as speculation over his vice presidential prospects were ramping up. Some believed he would be in a secret meeting with presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama earlier today, but Kaine has insisted otherwise.

    Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, Washington, D.C., Mayor Adrian Fenty, along with Gov. Martin O’Malley, the Democratic congressional delegation and state legislative leaders are still slated to attend the event at the Iguana Cantina. Over a thousand people are expected, with admission starting at $50.

    http://www.politickermd.com/editormd/3026/virginia-gov-tim-kaine-cancels-appearance-baltimore-fundraiser

  • Tuppence 411

    When Barky Nobama made a point of telling the media geography would play no role in his selection; I knew that really meant geography would play a BIG role. He needs VA for his fairy tale “new map”. Kaine fits NObama’s massive ego- a second fiddle that’s unknown and even less experience than he is. And since Nobama’s camp like to diminish voters to demographic groups, Kaine being Catholic, pro-life and speaks fluent Spanish- they think it would pull in undecideds.

    Voters are not pieces on a chessboard. Voter’s concerns are not pieces on a chessboard. He thinks he is being strategic, when in reality all he is doing is making a mockery and a game out of our country process of self-governing. People will see him for what he is.

  • wac for hillary

    I figured he would pick Biden, since they both know how to plagiarize material.

    • flyingsongster

      LOL

  • Lou

    Like the 200,000 in attendance at the Berlin rally. If someone actually comes out and questions it they’ll backtrack and say oh that was a typo..it’s really 20,000 as the Berlin officials reported.
    20,000 is the real number.
    Obama campaign added another zero.

    Before he went overseas, he said he was expecting 2 million! 2,000,000! Fraudbama likes to add those zero’s to make himself look good! He’s a creep

    • skepticle

      Cite the quote where he said he expected “2 million” or any other number.

      You can’t, because you pulled it out of your ass.

  • Steve_in_KC

    BO’s biggest problem with any VP selection is that he will be forced to either choose someone even less qualified than himself (if possible) … or else risk being one-upped by his own VP. Either way, his lack of experience, if paired with someone with no credentials or better credentials, is going to be all the more apparent.

    I have to laugh at the idea that putting a different woman on the ticket will draw all the women back into the fold. Oh, yes, that’s all we ever cared about, having a woman on the ticket (any old woman will do). Right.

    I hope he chooses someone with no credentials, like Kathy Sebelius (yuck, my home-state governor, former Treasurer of Kansas, ready to be President, I’m sure). The only reason she got elected in this Red State is because the Conservative Republicans and the Moderate Republicans were split, so when the Conservative won the primary, the Moderates went for Sebelius! Sound familiar?

    • bmc

      Some idiotic analysts are pushing the meme that choosing Evan Bayh–a Clinton supporter–will bring Hillary Clinton supporters back into the party.

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….

      • vonay

        same here………hehehahahhahahahah

  • Peggy Sue

    Joe Biden is another candidate I’d hate to see on Obama’s ticket. I like Biden in the same way I like and respect Ed Rendell. Friends [even friends from afar] don’t want to see friends join a train wreck.

    Let Kaine take the bruising.

    PUMApac.org

    • Zeke

      Peggy,
      Joe Biden is a useless unapologetic plagiarist. Start down that slippery slope and you’ll be forgiving everyone who helped dump Hillary too.
      We need, IMHO to unload everybody. Goose, gander, fish, fowl… if they aren’t literally part of the solution, they have to go.
      This mess has gotten too close to do anything short of cleaning house and telling Congress that the “New Sheriff in town happens to be We, the People.”
      Regards

      • Linda K

        Zeke,
        I totally agree with you. A massive house cleaning is needed. I hope we can accomplish it. I like Kaine as VP – that way the defeat can be even more massive. I also love the idea of telling those obnoxious obots bye, bye Roe.

  • pew

    I’m still trying to make sense of why Hillary dropped out, and didn’t take it farther to the next committee. Ikes seemed to be really upset over Michigan, and really thought they would fight this.For a Clinton to give up that easily, just doesn’t sit well. And knowing what we know about Obama with associates with Rev Wright,Pregler,Ayers, Dohrn, Rezco.How could Clinton even like a person like this,that is so arrogant over himself.I’m kinda shocked,she’d approve to have someone like this in her friend category. What are we not seeing?

    Clinton at the convention

    • Steve_in_KC

      I can only think of two reasonable reasons that Hillary might stand aside and support Obama.
      1. She’s a class act and a Party leader, and that’s what is expected of those who don’t win; and
      2. She knows something we don’t… the Hillary campaign always maintained that she was staying in because they were convinced BO would implode over the summer. Pretty accurate forecast so far, but maybe they know something that will take him out of contention before the Convention. I love that thought!

      • Peggy Sue

        Steve

        I love that thought, too. I just wish it would come sooner than later.

        PUMApac.org

  • Militaryman4Hillary

    Barack Obama – Gaffe Mania I – Dumber than Dumb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4&feature=related

    So this is where is got his crazyness mind..un un,you know un, un,look un,un,un well un

  • Observer

    Kaine, the leader of the Brotherhood of NOD (New Obama Dumb-o-crats)!

  • judd

    Obama just needs to go ahead and anoint Kaine as it will be him. It will not be Hillary.

    This will leave Hillary wide open to get a pass at the convention as THE nominee.

    BUT FOLKS, WORK HAS TO BE DONE AND FAST.

    THE DIRT HAS TO COME OUT AND BE SO STRONG THAT IT TANKS OBAMA AND RENDERS HIM OUT OFFICIALLY!

    SO EVERYONE IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO KNOWS SOMEONE AND SO ON……………….

    THAT CHAIN NEEDS TO START NOW TO TANK OBAMA BEFORE THE CONVENTION…….

    WHITEY TAPE…………………….

    OCTOBER SURPRISE……………………

    VIDEO OF OBAMA WITH LARRY SINCLAIR…….AMEN LARRY SINCLAIR!

    VIDEO OF OBAMA DOING HIS DRUGS………………

    FULL PROOF OF ILLEGAL ACTION IN THE REZKO CASE NO TIME TO WAIT FOR THAT……………………

    PROOF THAT HE WAS LOVERS WITH THE MURDERED GAY CHOIR DIRECTOR AND HAD HIM MURDERED……..ONCE AGAIN…..AMEN LARRY SINCLAIR!

    GOTTA WORK FAST…………………

    THE TIME IS NOW OFFICIALLY RUNNING OUT!

    HILLARY IS HITTING THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL ON BEHALF OF OBAMA STARTING NEXT WEEK SO BRACE YOURSELVES……..

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      You work on that. Larry is right behind you.

    • Peggy Sue

      You don’t have to concentrate on the smut. Evelyn Pringle wrote a devastating series on Obama’s slimy Chicago connections. Public financing privatized to the likes of Tony Rezko, who took millions and millions of dollars and built substandard housing in Obama’s district.

      Obama’s response? He was unaware of any complaints.

      Now either he’s completely “unaware” [brain dead] or unconcerned about deplorable housing conditions in his own district, the very people he represents. Either way it means he sucks as anyone’s public servant–district-wise, state-wise and on any sort of national basis.

      That’s one of 20-odd reasons why this man is totally unsuitable, unqualified and a veritable joke as a candidate for POTUS.

      Have we heard this in the MSM? No. Any negative info on “The One” is edited out, expunged. The nerve of the Obama campaign to whine about “negative” coverage from the press because they’ve been asked several questions that Obama has mumbled and stumbled through. Take the teleprompter away and this guy is a disaster.

      More troubling is the fact the Pringle stated that the information that she had so carefully collected and investigated was/is known by the DNC leadership. They know and yet still push this weak, incredibly fraudulant candidate.

      I’ve lost all faith in the press and the Democratic Party. I still have faith in the American public. A fake is a fake is a fake. We’ve seen it before, throughout history. Christ, we saw it in 2000 when George W. Bush was elected.

      People are beginning to wake up. I hope enough do before we have a total trainwreck.

      There’s so much at risk.

      PUMApac.org

    • pew

      Rev Wright’s coming out with a book in October,just in time to beat the election,and will be interviewed on Hannity sometime not sure date///

      But that won’t help Hillary

  • Al

    Senator Obama could consider private citizen Mr. Larry Sinclair as his running mate…

    http://myspace.com/barackobamalarrysinclair

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    Virginia Gov. Timothy Kaine would be the perfect VP for Ibama.

    The two are the proverbial peas in the pod. Neither has any accomplishment in their razor thin Public Careers.

    If Ibama really needs a Washington outsider he should tap the Squeegee Guy on the corner on my way to work. Squeegee Guy knows just as little as Ibama and Kaine put together.

  • Obama is a bum

    Kaine brings nothing to the table — they can’t even play the race card with him.

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ NotYoursweetie

    Bestest way to get the women aboard! Kain you smell da feet??

  • xdcc

    This is a diversion. They always do this just before the official announcement of a VP to create a bigger news story.

    Anyone who thinks it’s not going to be Clinton is crazy. His poll numbers are crap, and he’ll do anything to win. He just wants to be paraded around like a king, make lots of money, and get into the history books, oh and carry out his own personal sociopathic vendetta against America from which she may never recover.

    • Slobodaneee

      His poll numbers are not crap and if they are what are McCain’s poll numbers? I love this site, so much nuttiness as convention time draws near!

  • http://www.http://unityindiversity-spiritedpolitics.blogspot.com unityindiversity

    Trouble is xdoc- Hillary as VP will NOT get him her voters – and that is all he wants. So no deal!

    Surprised author of this post sees no problem with Kaine’s apparent pro-life stance. I understand its intent would be to further seduce real Christians to bozo, the Christian imposter. Not that likely to work enough to matter. People don’t care that a pseudo Christian has a real Christian VP.

    More than that, though- what about the 3 MAJOR women’s rights groups that have endorsed obama? They will go nuts if he picks a pro-life VP.

    Personally, don’t think he has any really strong choices left. Those with brains in their head have already said NO THANKS to this suicide mission. What, after all, does obama have to offer a potential running mate? A brief mark of distinction followed by a permanently destroyed political career. Have to be quite a dummy – or temporarily blinded by dear Caroline;s charms.

  • Babs

    Has there ever been in modern history a Presidential election where so many of one party’s members were so passionately and adamantly against the party’s presumed nominee? I know that McCain was not the unanimous Republican nominee, no nominee is ever a unanimous choice, and although he suffers criticism from the far right, that criticism pales in comparison to the obvious wide divide in the Democratic party. I am part of that divide, a proud PUMA who will do everything in my power to keep BO out of the White House. But my question is, is this much dissent as we are witnessing something which has happened before, or is this in itself as history-making as the first viable AA candidate and the first viable woman candiate? Larry? Anyone?

  • VI

    Lets see we have teh Messiah, now Kaine, and where is able, boy not only is he everyone Jfk RR, MLK, retracying their steps and rewording their speeches, look he is taking a script from the bible, Where is Able? does not matter not voting for him anyway, .. NOBAMA

  • DancingOpossum

    This morning Andrea Mitchell referred to Kaine as “tremendously popular in VA,” a fact she gets as wrong as she gets about 98% of what she “reports.” Kaine is not popular (his approval is in the 40s I think) and he’s a DINO who has managed to alienate both sides of the political aisle. And he has even LESS experience than Obama, if that’s possible!

    The Obamanation is absolutely obsessed with winning VA for some reason. I have no idea why they are so fixated on this because it will NEVER TURN BLUE. Never!! Virginia has had Democratic governors and mayors and some very fine De senators (including the recently deceased, and much lamented, Joseph Gartlan) and for a long time it had a Democrat-congrolled state legislature…but in the GE it ALWAYS goes red, always.

    Furthermore, taking Kaine means VA gets stuck with his lieutenant governor, a Republican. Not that Obama or the DNC care (50 what strategy?).

    That said, I REALLY want BO to pick Kaine. The ‘bots would go wild, they’d also lose their “BUT ROE!!!” talking point, and the RNC would have not one, but two, bumbling, inexperienced clowns to run against.

  • bmc

    Larry Sabato’s take on Kaine is interesting, particularly since if Kaine runs, it puts a Republican in the Governor’s seat in VA, a prospect that has some VA Democrats seething:

    Vice President Tim Kaine?
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_larry_j_sabato/vice_president_tim_kaine

  • vonay

    Kaine? Is Kaine able? hehehhee

  • Madison

    I will never vote Obama!Not even for a ticket..nope never. Why should we.I will take my vote if HIillary isn’t nominnee and out it to good use of another great candidate,McCain

    Hillary if you read this blog..We are here for you.We will see you in Denver.But I can not and will not vote Obama for anything!

    Hillary 08
    McCain 08

    • Slobodaneee

      What will you do if Obama wins? Will PUMA continue?

  • Madison

    I will never vote Obama!Not even for a ticket..nope never. Why should we.I will take my vote if HIillary isn’t nominnee and it’s good use of another great candidate,McCain for 08

    Hillary if you read this blog..We are here for you.We will see you in Denver.But I can not and will not vote Obama for anything!

    Hillary 08
    McCain 08

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