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A Round-Up of Obamacare News & Views

The blogosphere is exploding with commentaries on the Senate and Ben Nelson’s cave-in. Here are but a few of the many, many astute commentaries you can find online. It is reassuring that, at least on many blogs, democratic voices are alive and screaming from the rooftops. Below the fold, you’ll also find a screenshot of Real Clear Politics’ polling data on the American people’s intense opposition to Obamacare.

Ben Nelson’s selling price,” Betsy’s Page:

We’ll see whose vote cost more – Mary Landrieu’s or Ben Nelson’s. All the other senators are pansies for going along and not getting special carveouts for their states. When every single Democratic vote is crucial, why not hold them up. Of course, we may be finding those special provisions after people have had time to pore over the bill and figure out what all these subparagraphs are referring to.

Nelson was right to be concerned. As Paul Mirengoff at Powerline points out, this bill is a mammoth unfunded mandate that burdens the states to be on the hook for additional Medicaid payments. [...]

In a few years when states are having to cut their education budgets to pay for this health care mandate, will the media trace back the cause to the Democrats’ bill? Of course not. It will be just another one of these funding catastrophes of which few people understand the root causes. And there will be more such problems for the states as they face increased Medicaid costs. We’ll see calls for more federal money as more and more doctors continue to refuse to take Medicaid patients. …

Sign O’ the Times,” VodkaPundit:

A pair of telling headlines from Drudge. The first one:

SOLD: Sen. Ben Nelson to vote for health care bill; Secured favors for his home state…

There’s your modern American democracy in action, as senators buy one another’s votes with other people’s money. However, a problem is revealed in the second header:

CHINA: ‘The world does not have Money to buy more US Treasuries’…

Yep. Not only did we spend all our money, we spent everybody else’s, too. …

“‘It’s unfair’ [Howard Dean on why he doesn't support the Senate bill, which he calls "hocus pocus" reform],” Joe Conason, Salon:

What irks him the most in the current bill, he said, is that it permits insurance companies to charge as much as 300 percent more to some customers than others. So even though they must provide coverage to anyone who applies — known as “guaranteed issue” — the price differential that can be charged to older or sicker customers virtually erases that promise. “If you have to pay $20,000 a year for insurance, what good does it do if you have guaranteed issue?” he asked rhetorically. “Which is in fact what you’d have to pay if they can charge you three times as much as they do ordinary people. They have 300 percent rate differences in that bill. …”

The bill lacks sufficiently stringent controls on insurance company pay for executives and other wasteful expenditures as well, Dean argues, which is why he also opposes its mandate requiring all Americans (with few exceptions) to buy health insurance. “Why should you force Americans into a system that takes between 20 and 30 percent off the top for CEO salaries and return on equity?” he asked. “You’re forcing them into that system and it’s unfair.” There should be no mandate without a public option, he said. …

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So does he really want to kill this bill? “Oh, I think they should vote no on it. I would like to see it redone,” he said. “You can’t vote for a bill like this … You can’t say, oh, we’ll all vote for this piece of junk now, just to get it to the conference committee [with the House], because it’s not going to get any better when it comes out of the conference committee if four Senators from the insurance industry can veto the result.” He declined to name those four Senators, because “I’m trying not to get too much into ad hominem attacks.”

A Pyrrhic Victory?,” William Kristol, special editorial, The Weekly Standard:

[N]ever before has so unpopular a piece of major legislation been jammed through on a party-line vote. This week, Rasmussen showed 57% of voters nationwide saying that it would be better to pass no health care reform bill this year instead of passing the plan currently being considered by Congress, with only 34% favoring passing that bill. 54% of Americans now believe they will be worse off if reform passes, while just 25% believe they’ll be better off. Making the 2010 elections a referendum on health care should work–if Republicans don’t let up in the debate over the next year.

Sen. Mitch McConnell: Approving health bill would be historic mistake,” The Detroit News:

… Americans are outraged that lawmakers who promised to lighten the financial burden of rising health care costs are now poised to pass a bill that would make these burdens even greater. That’s the primary reason why a recent CNN poll shows that 61 percent of Americans oppose this bill. People feel like they’ve been taken for a ride in this debate, and they’re not happy.

There is simply no question at this point that the health care debate has gone off track. … Democratic leaders seem to have put a higher priority on satisfying various constituencies — on finding votes — than on meeting the president’s promises. They took their eye off the ball. As a result, the bill they produced breaks nearly every pledge the president made about reform. ….

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RealClearPolitics’ polling data:

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The Health Care Bill Is Political Suicide,” Real Clear Politics:

Health reform is shuffling toward its endgame, and even though the bill’s popularity resembles George Bush’s circa 2007, Democrats seem determined to push the bill through. Browse through certain liberal blogs, or listen to Democratic leadership speeches, and you’ll read the same justification again and again: However bad passing this bill might be, politically speaking, not passing it would be much, much worse.

I’ve been skeptical of this line of argument for quite some time. This summer, I showed that Democrats from Republican-leaning districts who supported President Clinton’s agenda fared significantly worse in the 1994 midterm election than those who did not.  It seems almost certain that an additional vote for Clinton’s then-wildly-unpopular healthcare bill would not have helped these Democrats any; passing ClintonCare almost certainly would have made 1994 even worse for the Democrats. …

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If Democrats need to appeal to Independents and moderates to hold their majorities, then passing this bill is a terrible idea. The most recent polling shows that 81% of Republicans and 69% of Independents oppose the healthcare plan (with 74% of Republicans and 57% of Independents strongly opposing it). With majorities of Independents strongly opposed to the bill, it’s really hard to imagine any boost in Democratic turnout from passing the plan being enough to surpass the ensuing backlash from Republicans and Independents. …

I’ll keep adding sage opinions as I find them. It’s your turn now:

UPDATE #1: Michelle Malkin has a list of the “remaining hold-outs” who you can contact.

UPDATE #2:Ben Nelson’s Betrayal,” The Weekly Standard.

UPDATE #3:Nelson Bought Off, 49 States to Pay for Concessions for Nebraska,” The Lonely Conservative:

These people are maniacs and they should be in prison.

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The big question now is, once this clears the Senate and goes to conference, are they going to just jam it through without changes? My guess would be that they will.

UPDATE #4:Hot Air TV: Jason Mattera takes on the AARP,” HotAir blog:

In January, I dubbed the porkulus bill the “Generational Theft Act of 2009.” Generational theft has been the leitmotif of the Obama administration throughout the entire year. We rang in the new year with it and the White House and Democratic majority want to end the year with it by ramming through a government health care plan that would cost at least $4 trillion and likely top $10 trillion when all is spent and done.

YAF/Hot Air TV correspondent Jason Mattera is back to speak generational truth to entitlement-expanding power. He presents AARP vice president Nancy Leamond with an invoice for generational theft and takes on the powerful senior lobby’s rank hypocrisy when it comes to pre-existing conditions (AARP’s main policy, Medigap, actually imposes long waiting periods on seniors who have pre-existing conditions, even though AARP reps, like liberals in general, decry the discrimination of folks with pre-existing conditions). Jason also confronts AARP on how ObamaCare will fatten their own wallets. Medigap, their $400 million cash cow, is left untouched by ObamaCare, while all other insurance providers are subjected to tighter regulation.

Talk about fat cats. …

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A reader talked back to AARP via her rejected solicitation reform last month:

  • NomNomNom

    Hilarious to see the CNN poll is the more against BHO’s health insurance industry giveaway than FOX.

  • Obamastolemycountry

    The DemoRAT party is dead. Dead. They skated through 2008 after some CPR, given by the Clintons actually, but now they are dead. Was that the Clinton plan??? All I know is that I will NEVER be able to vote DemoRAT again. EVER. I want to vote for Hillary though! All I can say is she would be one smart cookie if she dumps the DemoRATS and ran as a Tea Party candidate. All she would have to do is say, “We had a real chance for Health Insurance Reform, health care was never the problem, Health Insurance was the problem We had a chance and Barack Obama and the majority leaders screwed it up royally. Here is my plan to repeal it and fix the economy and uphold the US constitution as I run as a New Party Candidate for President of the United States in 2012! If the Clintons do not step in shut this mother down, we are screwed!!!! Who else is there?????

  • Diana L. C.

    I am sure the Washington crowd is just confused about all this opposition. “What,” they say, “do Americans have to do with what WE want?”

  • tek

    No liberal blogs opposed to it?

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Oh, yes. Taylor Marsh wrote, for Huffington Post, “Naive doesn’t even come close to the President’s miscalculation[on health care], but that’s what happens when you stand too long looking into the reflecting pool.” (http://www.sphere.com/opinion/article/liberals-are-increasingly-angry-with-president-obama/19285671)

    Uh, yeah.

    It really is astonishing that when NOT ONE POLL at any time shows Americans to be in favor of this horribly flawed piece of legislation, the Dems force it through anyway. Do they really think that none of us will remember this come November? Really?? Do they believe we are that stupid? Do they think our current economic woes will keep us so busy we won’t be able to make it to the voting booth??

    I hope, and pray, that they are sadly mistaken.

  • HARP

    All of them

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Here’s an article by Joe Conason of Salon on Howard Dean’s opposition to the bill: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/12/18/dean_and_healthcare/

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent. Love the feed back they all are giving.

  • HARP

    New Democrat slogan…….”leave the money on the dresser”.

  • TeakWoodKite

    At least with Republicans, you knew you didn’t have to ask.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    I guess what I find so disturbing is why so many democrats are committing political suicide? I cannot imagine that anyone runs for political office these days, even if it something like a local city council member, with the idea in mind that they will serve out their term and then go out in almost certain defeat. Forget about integrity and altruism. What about self-survival? When all the reliable polls, no matter what their political persuasion, are telling our democratic leaders in Washington the same thing, one would think a little old-fashioned ambition would make these dems change their minds? Sometimes I think I am living in an insane alternate universe where nothing is as it should be -especially when it comes to our current government.

  • HARP

    National Strike 1/20/2010

    http://strike120.ning.com/

  • bayareavoter

    RRRAmy-did you read the final paragraph in Taylor Marsh’s piece? Waxing nostalgic about how this bill would have bee better and better managed if Hillary were President?

    It’s a little late. It is gratifying, though, to see her belittle the ONE.

    The American people are in for one terrible surprise if this thing passes–watch costs skyrocket! I can’t believe this is the best these jerks could come up with. I am really disgusted.

    And I know so many people who just think it’s better to get anything passed. They have no idea what’s in the details of this piece o’ junk.

    Arrggh!

  • olivia1998

    Harp…….that is the best news….nation wide strike. Maybe then they’ll take notice

  • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

    I just heard on Larry King that they have added back the expansion of Medicare for those 55 and over to buy into. Wasn’t that a deal breaker for Lieberman? Sounds like Obama is chit scared because 3 days ago Reid was told to give Lieberman anything he wanted. If Lieberman bolts we are back to 59.

  • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

    They want us all to pay a monthly fee for Abortions. If there’s anything the right will go to the mat for its paying for Abortions.

  • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

    Hillary will not run again. She is going to have so much baggage after being Obama’s lackey that she will not be considered a viable candidate.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    Maybe they don’t believe in suicide, Cathy in Ks…as in they’ll just steal the 2010 elections too. I’ll never vote for another Democrat…ever…for anything.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    The shell game continues with the Flim Flam man and his shills…now you see it, now you don’t. He really is the Magic Negro.

  • Kei

    I’m with you Annie

  • devildog666

    The DemoRAT party is dead. Dead

    Democracy and capitalism are dead. The democrats don’t care about the party, they been bought off with promises of appointed positions and jobs sponsored by George Soros if they don’t get reelected. We’re being a country run on promises, bribes and punishment.

    The anti constitutional clauses in the bills passed by Congress are destroying the basic principles this country was founded on. There is essentially no difference between the way the country is now being run and the way the mob runs Chicago.

    Anyone who votes for a bill they don’t understand or haven’t read and the people don’t support has broken their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. They are guilty of criminal malfeasance. The political and economic system that has lifted the living standard of the entire world is being totally destroyed

    There is no going back once the damage is done.

  • Jim S

    And another covering the reality behind the CBO $$ crunchers.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/merry_christmas_from_harry.html

    Medicare, Medicaid (seniors, disabled) and SCHIP (children) programs lose almost $500 billion per year while adding almost 30 million people to the roles. $6000 per person per year year or $24K per year for a family of 4. A Cadillac plan with no deductible is $16K so according to my figures $8K goes to government waste. We’ve got to clean out anyone in congress that votes for this.

  • Elizabeth

    Oh, they probably do realize by pissing people off with reckless spending and deliberately ignoring their constituents on this mess that they have already cut their throats but are still willing to burn down the barn before they leave just to make their point.

  • getfitnow

    Sadly, Bill has been out promoting this thing. As much as I supported him when he was POTUS, he’s dead wrong on this.

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  • Ferd Berfle

    The Flim-Flam man is learned only in the ways of the old-school Chicago-style politics crime, which means that the beatings of the middle class will continue until the morale improves or their coffers are filled to overflowing, whichever comes last.

  • xathnealon

    Also,read AT’s Ann Kane from Saturday and Axelrod’s PR against Nelson. This Chicago administration doesn’t care about the poor or uninsured – they’ll throw them in substandard clinics where Big Pharma will throw drugs at them at reduced rates – God help them if they need an MRI or CT or surgery for any condition – they’re not going to get it.

  • http://N/A breeze

    No, AnnieC.

    They are going to LEGALIZE the ILLIGALS nextand they won’t even need any help from Acorn if they get their vote.

    There will be around 20,000000 more democRATS then.

    That will take care of the probable defection of the ‘youth vote’….

  • b mathews

    and where are the 72 hours of posting the bill on line? we need to demand that everyone (including and especially every dem that votes for it) and the public have a chance to read it before passing it. i doubt obama will even read it before he signs it. he is only interested in passing a bill (any bill)to hype his legacy. if i were him, im not sure i’d want my name on this POS. his legacy has already been written as far as im concerned ,as the most corrupt, inexperienced, weak, biggest spender (like it was his money),liar in chief,that ever bought, lied and cheated to get into the whitehouse. and thats all he deserves.

  • b mathews

    i think the turnout in the 2010 election will be the biggest in history. if they dont hear us now (screaming NO!!! to this POS bill) they will pay in the next election.

  • b mathews

    those dems who have been threatened, strong armed, or bought off are hoping that obama will perform some miracles before the next election and all will be unicorns and rainbows as he promised. good luck with that. they have sold their souls to the devil (literally) and will pay for it in 2010. not one complete backbone amongst the lot.

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