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Real Progressives Condemn Obamacare

This disturbing analysis comes from the sharp liberal and civil libertarian blogger, Glenn Greenwald, in his Common Dreams essay, cynically titled “White House as Helpless Victim on Health Care“:

What remains [after cuts to the Obamacare bill] is a politically distastrous and highly coercive "mandate" gift to the health insurance industry, described perfectly by Digby:

Obama can say that you’re getting a lot, but also saying that it "covers everyone," as if there’s a big new benefit is a big stretch. Nothing will have changed on that count except changing the law to force people to buy private insurance if they don’t get it from their employer. I guess you can call that progressive, but that doesn’t make it so. In fact, mandating that all people pay money to a private interest isn’t even conservative, free market or otherwise. It’s some kind of weird corporatism that’s very hard to square with the common good philosophy that Democrats supposedly espouse.

Nobody’s "getting covered" here.

After all, people are already "free" to buy private insurance and one must assume they have reasons for not doing it already. Whether those reasons are good or bad won’t make a difference when they are suddenly forced to write big checks to Aetna or Blue Cross that they previously had decided they couldn’t or didn’t want to write.

Indeed, it actually looks like the worst caricature of liberals: taking people’s money against their will, saying it’s for their own good — and doing it without even the cover that FDR wisely insisted upon with social security, by having it withdrawn from paychecks. People don’t miss the money as much when they never see it.

In essence, this re-inforces all of the worst dynamics of Washington. The insurance industry gets the biggest bonanza imaginable in the form of tens of millions of coerced new customers without any competition or other price controls. Progressive opinion-makers, as always, signaled that they can and should be ignored (don’t worry about us — we’re announcing in advance that we’ll support whatever you feed us no matter how little it contains of what we want and will never exercise raw political power to get what we want; make sure those other people are happy but ignore us). Most of this was negotiated and effectuated in complete secrecy, in the sleazy sewers populated by lobbyists, industry insiders, and their wholly-owned pawns in the Congress. And highly unpopular, industry-serving legislation is passed off as "centrist," the noblest Beltway value.

Looked at from the narrow lens of health care policy, there is a reasonable debate to be had among reform advocates over whether this bill is a net benefit or a net harm. But the idea that the White House did what it could to ensure the inclusion of progressive provisions — or that they were powerless to do anything about it — is absurd on its face. Whatever else is true, the overwhelming evidence points to exactly what Sen. Feingold said yesterday: "This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place."

Of course. Glenn, with all respect to your brilliantly-described reasoning above, you’re ascribing motives to Obama that he doesn’t have. While he may be willing to be a corporatist because, after all, that’s where the most campaign money is to be found, Obama doesn’t believe in anything except going down in history as the most productive president since FDR. Digby, you’re a progressive blogger who can’t be had. Thank god there are free-thinking liberals like you who are willing to speak the truth on Obamacare.

  • glennmcgahee

    I’m just sick. I keep thinking there will be something to derail this pitiful, harmful legislation. I imagine it may be something as simple as the CONSTITUTION!
    However, once the taxes and cuts are made to pay for this in 2014, even if the legislation is stopped, they’ll keep the money collected to spend elsewhere.
    Next year, expect a sweep of Republicans to office. This is as good a reason for checks and balances as I can think of.

    • elizabethrc

      When the Republicans sweep (or before, hopefully), I would expect to see multiple Supreme Court challenges to this forced purchase program.
      Show me where in the Constitution it allows the government to force us to pay for something the vast majority do not want in the first place.
      This new ‘law’ needs to be struck down or at the very least, weighed down by years of court challenges, keeping it in limbo, with no money going into it until the case is decided. This could take well beyond Obama’s pitiful presidency.

      • Elizabeth

        Yeah, I agree. Glenn Greenwald may be a hysterical ideologue on most issues, but this just goes to show it doesn’t take much to understand that forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy cars or houses to prop up those industries.

        Mandated auto insurance hasn’t lowered costs, either, and still there are still thousands of scofflaws out there in noncompliance. How will cheaters treat a requirement to carry health insurance any differently ? Besides having a body isn’t a “right” of ownership you can divest yourself like a piece of property.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Mandated auto insurance hasn’t lowered costs, either,

          It certainly hasn’t. I haven’t had an accident since 1980, so my insurance company says statistically, I’m due for one–therefore they charge me accordingly. It is all bullshit, with elected whores in bed with their corporate pimps screwing us and then having the temerity to force us to pay the tab. Where’s my pitchfork?

          • TeakWoodKite

            If I am forced to “purchase” insurance, I think I will do the time.

            It is not a strech that an underground economy / black market will start up in medical services.

            This from a kite who wanted “single payer” .

            Ferd, It’s really oddly wrapped item under the Christmas tree.

            • Ferd Berfle

              I hear you. It is time for civil disobedience on the scale of millions since it is now our rights that are being violated and I want it stopped. It is time to force the system into an abrupt and complete halt. Let’s just see how long this house of cards can stay erect without its foundational underpinnings.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Political viagra has to run out at some point..
                LOL…
                After 4 hours the pol has to go to the ER and is told there is nothing to be done, because that was taken out of the bill.
                It does allow for castration at the ballot box….

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Political viagra has to run out at some point..

                  ROFLMAO.

                  Clever, Teak, on so many levels. Hahaha! Perhaps at some point the blood will run back to that space to let situated between their shoulder blades and they won’t be trying to screw us so often.

                  • TeakWoodKite

                    I am paying for my grand daughters health insurance, because the hassle of MediCal is SO intrusive and only two doctors in the a county of 458,614 that take MediCal. 2 out of 10 in this county are without insurance. (2006 numbers)

                    That’s 2 doctors in the county. If this bill goes through the State of Crapofornia, will be billions more in the hole for unfunded mandates. Wished I lived in Nebraska…
                    (Not) At least they have a free ride.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      I lived in Nebraska for 5 years and found the residents to be, on the whole. educated and mainly centrist in their political views–they dislike extremes. Nelson, therefore, is toast.

                    • Linda, Okc

                      NE Governor didn’t have nice words about Nelson’s big payday for Nebraskans at the cost of all other Americans

        • b mathews

          im curious as to how they plan to enforce this. are the insurance police (or acorn) going to come to your house to see proof that you have health insurance? if EVERYONE just out and out refuses to buy into this, can they throw us all in jail? folks are against most everything in this bill but why is no one screaming about being FINED for not buying insurance? particularly obamas base of young people and AA’s who dont even have jobs. i think most of them dont even realize whats going to happen. the only answer i can see, if this disasterous bill passes, is for all americans to just refuse to buy into it and be very vocal about it.

      • Ferd Berfle

        This is one instance where an activist court, i.e., activating the Constitution against this program by throwing it out lock, stock, and barrel, would be most welcome. Hopefully these nine justices have a greater understanding of the Constitution than the politicians know-nothings who gave us this crap and the rubes in the electorate who voted them in.

        • b mathews

          just dont count on Sotomayor to rule against her benefactor who put her on the bench. she owes him too much for her nice little cushy lifetime job and will never vote against him. why do you think he’s trying to stack the deck on the supreme court?

      • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

        There will be many legal challenges to this bill before its inacted. It would seem to me that when all is known it will fizzle out the same way the Stimulus Plan did. Money will change hands, our taxes will so up and nothing will be done to bring about Healthcare. What they want is the money from Medicare to pass around. Look at Cash for Clunkers, or the Swine Flu Vaccine (600,000 doses being recalled). The only thing is Congress does is spend money and raise the debt limit 3 times this year.

    • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

      The taxes are going to begin immediately even though the bill doesn’t take effect until 2014. I will vote a straight Republican ticket in 2010 because to do anything else would bring back this mob for act 2. Watch how the media who hated the Tea Partiers will now elevate them to third party status.

  • creeper

    As infuriating as foisting this POS bill off on us is, even more maddening is Harry Reid’s scheduling of the vote for 1:00 AM on Monday.

    Since when does the people’s business get done in the middle of the night? Passing this legislation under cover of darkness shows Reid’s total contempt for Americans. One wonders if he thinks we might not notice.

    I don’t mind being screwed at night but not by my government.

    • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

      creeper — since when does one party pass a bill without input from the other. Since when do Congressional Reps trash the American people for disagreeing on this bill. 1 am is fitting for these thugs to rob us blind and steal off into the night. I heard Washington is going to get 20 inches of snow so they may get stuck in Washington for Christmas after all.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Since when do Congressional Reps trash the American people

        Think back to the “Last Refuge of Scoundrels Act”, aka Patriot Act. Those of us who felt it was a stupid bill were called un-American by Republicans and not so few Democrats, as well. Now, of course, that That One has this unbridled power, I am no longer un-American but prescient. I told you so is becoming my mantra.

        I don’t like hogwash from whatever party, however packaged.

  • HEP-T

    what happens to those unfortunates without jobs and no money to buy insurance?
    The $10,000.00 fine won’t be paid and is there a plan to jail the ones who don’t pay the fine?

    • Ferd Berfle

      It’s called Debtor’s prison, where That One will create lots of jobs for people who will guard the debtors. Those who are lucky enough to have real employment will pay for both the prisoners and the guards. And slowly, the middle-class will become either the guarded or the guards and no real work will be done and we’ll eventually have a 21st century feudal society, which is what the corporate masters wanted in the first place. We’re gonna party like it’s 1399.

      • oowawa

        We’re gonna party like it’s 1399

        Good one, Ferd.

        I was dreamin’ when I wrote this
        Forgive me if it goes astray
        But when I woke up this mornin’
        Coulda sworn it was judgment day
        The sky was all purple
        There were people runnin’ everywhere
        Tryin’ 2 run from the destruction
        U know I didn’t even care . . .
        War is all around us
        My mind says prepare 2 fight
        So if I gotta die
        I’m gonna listen 2 my body tonight
        Yeah, they say two thousand zero zero party over
        Oops out of time
        So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1999
        (–Prince–)

        It does feel like we’re at the end of an era, and on the verge of a precipice. 2009 feels much more like the end of the century than did 1999. 1399? Let’s get feudal! Hope? Change?

        • Ferd Berfle

          Afternoon, oowawa. This o-blowhole-care is so disgusting and on so many levels that there are insufficient pejoratives in the English language (or any other, for that matter) to adequately describe it. A serf, however, I will never be, irrespective of what that arugula-eating bloviator in the WH or his owners want. What they may do is perch and rotate or sit and spin, at their leisure.

    • Elizabeth

      Low-income people would be given subsidies to help them purchase insurance (but not for the Medicare buy-in). So the penalty would be for not paying the fine, not as a penalty to having no health insurance. This provision is nowhere in the Senate bill, though, just the House, and will probably be removed upon the melding of the two.

      You know, come to think of it, this really would only make sense if your intention was to destroy the United States of America as it was presently constituted.

      • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

        Those subsidies would not help me. I make too much to get on welfare (which is not too difficult, because you really have to make next to nothing to get assistance). So the subsidies will only help those people who are already on the dole. It does not help people such as myself who are struggling but not poor enough to get food stamps.

        I suppose I could swap out my safe, clean apartment for one half the price that would be in an inner city neighborhood, infected with roaches, and have neighbors who are drug dealers….and THEN I’d have some money to buy health insurance. Great. What a trade-off.

        • Elizabeth

          Oh, well, that sucks. I was thinking the minimum was around $55,000 for a family of one. I don’t really keep up because our coverage at the library where I work is 100% employer paid and only something is out of whack when COLAs are forfeited or my GYN exam copyay goes from 20.00 to 60.00.

          In Massachusetts, though, where everybody is already required to buy or have health insurance, I think you can get a coupon to discount the price of premiums for something ridiculous like $40.00. So I hope you seriously don’t need it, can stay out of prison and a sweatshop house !

          If that doesn’t work, try reminding Obama of his central argument against Hillary throughout the primary: “You can mandate it, but there still will be people who can’t afford it. And if they can’t afford it, what are you going to fine them?”

    • goldengrahme

      Yes, HEP-T; the new term for jail will be
      FEMA camps–now up, staffed and waiting to be
      filled with the nuisance population. There
      they can find employment…

      “Arbeit Macht Frei” or translated:
      “Work Sets You Free.” The Third Reich’s little
      bit of humor.

      (Oh, that infamous gate to the entrance of
      the hellish Auschwitz concentration camp in
      Poland was stolen recently. Jerked from its
      hinges and carted off to who knows where. It
      bore the above inscription in German.

      Was it a prank or a protest by EU citizens
      tired of appointed bureaucratic czars ruling without consensus? Copenhagen is the beta
      test to see how far they can push the envelope of
      human endurance.)

    • Obamastolemycountry

      It sounds like Gitmo may be available by then!

      snark

  • lahana

    My husband and I, and my eldest daughter get insurance through our work. My second daughter gets her health insurance through our state’s version of SCHIP. My youngest daughter, on the other hand, has no health insurance. She was on the state’s plan for a while after her son was born, but when the baby’s father got a job with health insurance, the baby was put on his health insurance and my daughter was dropped from the state plan. This daughter works 2 part time jobs for a total of about 25 to 30 hours a week. She doesn’t make enough money to afford an apartment (she and her son live with us), how is she supposed to pay for insurance?

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      I am self-employed. Can’t possibly pay for insurance premiums in this economy. I’ve already cut back on many other things – yoga classes, my satellite TV, eating out. Every dime that comes in goes to basics such as rent and food. Paying $100s of dollars per month in insurance that I wouldn’t even be using for the most part is NOT going to happen. It’s not a question of whether I want to or not. I simply do NOT have the money.

      These people in Congress are rich and have no clue what it means to live hand to mouth.

    • TeakWoodKite

      . She doesn’t make enough money to afford an apartment (she and her son live with us)

      Same here Lahana, no easy answers, but this bowel movement is not the solution.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Same here Lahana, no easy answers, but this bowel movement is not the solution.

        That’s the problem, Teak. Supporters have been duped into believing this bill is better than nothing, which it isn’t. Anything, including doing nothing, would represent a better solution. This POS only exacerbates the problems with the current systems, mitigates none, and costs a fortune.

        Unfortunately, the m o r o n s who support this fustercluck confuse action with remedy.

  • Peggy Sue

    Well, there’s a certain satisfaction in seeing “real” liberals stand up and condemn this botched bill, which in my mind is exactly as Greenwald describes it:

    “the worst caricature of liberals: taking people’s money against their will, saying it’s for their own good . . .”

    I was beginning to wonder if there were any true liberals left.

    The pity, of course, is that we need reform, cost containment to ensure that the very programs that have done such good would not bankrupt the country. Now, of course, we have the country facing bankruptcy and these very programs to pull us into the pit all the faster.

    This is where blind ambition hits the road–when our president and Congress are more interested in their personal legacies than the public welfare.

    Well, I’ve got a newsflash for my party: You will go down in history. Only not in the way you planned.

    The American public has been sold out. And we will not forget!

    • creeper

      Well, there’s a certain satisfaction in seeing “real” liberals stand up and condemn this botched bill

      Not much from where I sit. The price for them to learn the lesson is just too dam high.

      • Elizabeth

        Yes, where there are conservative Democrats, there could be a conservative Republican to replace them. But most Republicans just oppose mandates, expansion of Medicare and a public option on general principle. It isn’t like they have anything against special interests in particular. haha

        • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

          Elizabeth — 11 Blue Dogs will not seek re-election next year. They are in Republican states and they will definitely be replaced by GOP candidates. The severance package for Defeated Dems is probably a good one so I say — DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YOU — signed a pissed off voter.

      • b mathews

        the only thing that can save obamas legacy is if he turns lead into gold, stops the oceans from rising(?),puts a new car (now that he owns the car companys)in every garage,and gives every kid a pony and then , best of all, resigns. otherwise he is toast along with his legacy.

    • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

      I think Govt of the People, by the People and For the People has parished from the earth.

    • b mathews

      if this POS bill gets passed, we need to tie it up in court in every possible way. its unconstitutional!! the govt. cannot force us to buy a product. it would be like telling us the only car we can buy is a GM since its owned by the govt. if all else fails, then we need to take this to court.

  • Tricia

    Only one thing we little people can do–vote them all out in 2010. That may not give us what we want either, but it will send a message that lobbyists and the corporations do not own us!

  • Peggy Sue

    PS: I found it particularly insulting to the American public in general and Democrats in particular when Congress declared that they:

    “hadn’t built a mansion with this legislation but a starter home.”

    No! They have built a hovel with bars on the door and windows and expected us to call it good.

    Only we’re awake now. We see it for what it truly is. More importantly, sirs–we see you.

    • Ferd Berfle

      No! They have built a hovel with bars on the door and windows and expected us to call it good.

      Spot on, Peggy Sue. It is a shoddily constructed lean-to that will collapse when the first economic ill-wind blows its way.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Best comment EVER from the Common Dreams article:

    “Were the PUMAs right or what!?”

    YES WE WERE RIGHT!

    That’s some small comfort, considering how much Obama and Congress are working overtime to destroy America right now. I can’t tell how mad I am about this health care bill. I was furious over the voter fraud in the primaries, and thought I would never be that mad or disappointed again. The way the Democrats are handling this bill is just as arrogant, tone deaf and anti-democracy as their handling of the DNC nomination.

    They don’t care what the people want. They’ll just push through whatever their agenda is and are basically trying to turn America into a benign dictatorship. They are traitors to America.

    • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

      Hillary or Bust — I was a Puma too but its cold comfort now to know we didn’t vote for Obama. I became an Independent because of something which was said by some prominent Dems–We can’t worry about the problems of older people anymore. We want a younger party without all the issues that Seniors have. I called the Dems in Washington to ask for an apology but I was treated like dirt–so I became an Independent. I will never go back to this phoney populist party and I plan on voting in every election as long as they let me live.

  • Ferd Berfle

    and are basically trying to turn America into a benign dictatorship

    I prefer the term malignant to benign because they are causing direct, intentional harm. The Democrats obamacrats are a malignancy on the body politic that needs to be removed in the next election cycle.

  • Jackie

    As extreme as Glen Beck seems he told us over a year ago that this is excatly what would happen. He played the tape of Obama stating fundamental changes to the nation.

    No matter what you think of Glen Beck he is worth listening to–he makes some excellent points.

    Nothing in the Constitution allows for the government to be be a nanny. Nothing in the Constitution allows the government to force Coke to lower calories in it soda but that this what is happeneing.

    We are in for a bad situation and nither the Obama Freaks nor the GOP are in it to protect “We the People” from the excesses of this corrupt government.

    This “Un-helath Care bill” is just one of the really bad things designed to marginalize the people. The global warming religion is the other to marginalize our rights to self-determination as a nation.

    We need to really be well armed with knowledge and prepared to demonstrate in the street for the sake of our nation.

    • Peggy Sue

      It almost seems as if the “powers that be” are encouraging the citizenry to take up the torches and pitchforks. Politicians on both sides of the aisle tend to be tone deaf. But this bs that we’re expected to swallow is the granddaddy of deceits.

      I think it’s interesting to note that shares in the healthcare industry have caught fire. They know how good this looks for business extraordinaire, another massive gouge at the taxpayer’s expense.

      I’ve got a sneaking suspicion people won’t forget this latest betrayal. If DC wants a revolt, this is the way to set it up.

      • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

        Peggy Sue you might be right. Healthcare is a personal issue with people. Most times Americans will go along to get along but when it means higher costs for less care, rationing against the old and sick or the young being forced to pay for Healthcare or go to prison–then I think people are going to get really angry.

        This whole thing is like a Twilight Zone episode–The Senate rushes to pass Healthcare in the middle of the night so they can get home for Christmas and 20 inches of snow falls on DC and they have to stay put and look at one another and think about what they did to the American people.

    • penguin

      I agree. Beck is extreme, but he makes excellent points. This bill is a complete diaster. Democrats have lost all touch with reality. Forcing people to buy expensive healthcare will not lower costs. Not that Republicans are much better. Unfortunately, I doubt if people will take to the streets. So many people I know just mope along and don’t want to hear the facts. IF they do know the facts they don’t want to act. Or listen to opposing viewpoints. That is one reason why the country is in so much trouble. This is the worst bill in our nation’s history.

  • sybilll

    If you want to know what will happen with the doctors, just read this, sent to, and posted by Michelle Malkin:

    Dear Senator Nelson:

    I send this message under “Tort Reform” because the current monstrosity you have pledged your support to says nothing whatsoever about Tort Reform. You have sold the physicians of Nebraska for zilch (zilch for us, but beaucoup federal bucks for you and the liberal partisans in this state). As a family practice physician in Small Town, Nebraska, I was counting on you to be the lone voice of Democratic sanity on this issue, but you sold me out. I will dedicate
    every spare minute of my time and every spare dollar I have to defeating you, should you run for re-election. The long hours I spent on my medical education and the long hours I spend treating my patients are nothing but chump change to you and your Democrat colleagues in Washington. I especially can’t wait for your equivocation and milquetoast evasion when your “compromises” on the abortion language in the bill are silently erased or quietly (on-little-legislative-cat’s-feet) eviscerated in the House/Senate give-and-take. Go on: Bet me that you won’t wuss-out on this issue!

    I know you won’t give two-seconds to this letter, but I had to write it. I’m a primary care doctor in YOUR state, and you sold me out. I didn’t slog through 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency just to have you hand my career and my patient/doctor relationships over to government lifers. Your gutless acquiescence to Obama and Harry Reid and ‘Nanny’ Pelosi will NOT be forgotten.

    Thank you, Ben, for forcing doctors like me to earn less than the repairmen who fix our appliances. Case in point: We recently had our dishwasher fixed. The repairman who came to our house charged $65 just to come and ‘diagnose’ the problem, then charged another $180 to ‘fix’ the problem. You and your fellow lawmakers have fixed MY going rate (Medicare) at $35 per-visit. Thank you for securing such a ‘lucrative’ rate for me! Thank you so much for making me–someone with 8 years of education!–make less than a mechanic or appliance repair technichian. And thanks especially for falling in line with Obama and the rest of the Democrats to make such a socialist system permanent.

    You have my disgust and disdain forever, you socialist-coddling coward.

    Sincerely,
    Becky F. Hollibaugh, D.O.
    Warren Memorial Hospital
    Ziimmerman Clinic
    Friend, NE 68359

    • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

      Thank you Sybilll for sharing that letter with us. You can multiply that by every physician who takes Medicare Patients and the patients themselves who live on fixed incomes. It hard to write what I feel because tears cloud my eyes.

      • sybilll

        I understand all too well. I am disabled, on Medicare, and have lost 3 physicians in the last 4 years. I literally cannot find one doctor who will accept new Medicare patients. In a city of 650,000. 3 docs told me to call back after this alleged HCR was passed, and they had a chance to review it. Disheartening.

    • Bronwyn’s Harbor

      This letter is a post. I will do it.

  • Dems in Cloud Cuckooland

    I wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. One good thing has happened from all this — we are all Americans now. There is no left or right just people who have been shafted by the Dem Congress. This is the season of miracles –let’s pray 2010 is a better year and that the American Dream will be ours again.

    • IndianaDem

      What–besides regaining control–is the real republican agenda?

      What would they really be willing to do to the benefit the vast majority of ordinary Americans, if it required them to go against the special interests of vast wealth and corporate power?

      • Peggy Sue

        “What would they really be willing to do to the benefit the vast majority of ordinary Americans, if it required them to go against the special interests of vast wealth and corporate power?”

        The bitter irony of that statement, Indiana Dem, is that it now applies to both parties. This healthcare reform is a massive betrayal to all Americans. Think about. Who is propping up the crooked Wall St. financiers?

        It’s the Dems now.

        Who is pushing a national giveaway to Big Pharma and the healthcare industry [whose stocks have caught fire, btw, with the Senate vote]?

        It’s the Dems now.

        Who has deliberately kept this legislation behind closed doors, treated the American public like the enemy or a brain-injured child?

        It’s the Dems now.

        The Democrats have morphed into corporate Republicans. And they’ve completely trashed the “D” behind their names.

        Knowing your opposition is a smart thing. Becoming your opposition is suicidal.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Spot on, Peggy Sue.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Becoming your opposition is suicidal.

            Classic.

            • NomNomNom

              yes, it is classic

      • Ferd Berfle

        A better idea would be for you to answer when the question, “When did the corporatists buy the Democratic party and was it before or after That One decided to run for the WH on such a flimsy resume”? This administration and its predecessor are commodities, bought and paid for by multi-national corporations. There is another common thread between them–the middle class is always the one getting the shaft.

        • IndianaDem

          When? begins with the assumption that it has actually happened in the first place. If it had, we would see corporatists special interests solidly behind the Obama administration. That sure isn’t what I’m seeing. What I’m seeing is an orchestrated effort to obstruct and discredit the administration’s initiatives at every turn.

          • Ferd Berfle

            If you think the Democrats aren’t bought and paid for, especially That One, you’re a *real* green one, that’s for sure. Your party is the other side of the dirty coin called the two-party system. Now run off and play, little boy.

            • Donna Brazile

              Ferd:

              IndDingbutt needs to leave Indiana and figure out what happens in the real world.

              Dems limiting women’s rights to choose. Pretty ironic!

              Stop the I can be bought fest in congress!

              • Ferd Berfle

                Yeah, Donna, that flat-earther IndDingbutt has jumped a few too many stumps.

  • Linda, Okc

    I did the math on the senates bill

    single, over 55… I make over 40274K (4 time poverty)so subsidies are out. I’ll be mandated to pay between 12 to 20K for health insurance that will cover nothing except maybe part of a catastrophic injury (just like it is now) or be fined 8% of my gross income.

    I predict the feds are going to be making a lot of money that will do nothing for people’s health care.. just like all those smoking taxes are never spent to actually help people stop smoking.

  • b mathews

    i wrote the following letter to my senator harry reid. i know its futile but i needed to express my anger.

    dear senator reid, i understand you bought bill nelson’s (fla. dem. senator) vote by grandfathering in medicare advantage to those seniors in his state that already have it. have you done the same for seniors here in nevada or have you sold us out too along with the rest of the country? we wont forget come 2010.

    i dont expect an answer.