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Breaking News: CBO Corrects Its Debt Assessment

By Bronwyn's Harbor on December 20, 2009 at 5:46 PM in Current Affairs

We cannot — cannot — trust a word that Harry Reid or the MSM initially tell us, and here’s some more proof of that immutable fact, now about what the CBO report REALLY says. (You know, yesterday, when I saw the first reports on the CBO report that gave high marks to the Senate bill, I assumed the CBO had been compromised by the White House. I’m still suspicious that the CBO’s independence has been monkeyed with.) When you read the report from the Weekly Standard blog, you are going to EXPLODE. But, at the end of this post, instead of just exploding, I’m going to insist that you also take action. Why? We simply have to.

First, check out this article from The Hill: “CBO issues correction: Health bill nixes deficit less than thought.” Then, via the blog at The Weekly Standard, comes this analysis straight out of the CBO’s own report:

CBO: Real 10-Year Cost of Senate Bill Still $2.5 Trillion

With Obamacare, you get the good, the bad, and the ugly — except for the first part.

The Congressional Budget Office’s score is in for the final Senate health bill, and it’s amazing how little Americans would get for so much.

The Democrats are irresponsibly and disingenuously claiming that the bill would cost $871 billion over 10 years. But that’s not what the CBO says. Rather, the CBO says that $871 billion would be the costs from 2010 to 2019 for expansions in insurance coverage alone. But less than 2 percent of those “10-year costs” would kick in before the fifth year of that span. In its real first 10 years (2014 to 2023), the CBO says that the bill would cost $1.8 trillion — for insurance coverage expansions alone. Other parts of the bill would cost approximately $700 billion more, bringing the bill’s full 10-year tab to approximately $2.5 trillion — according to the CBO.

In those real first 10 years (2014 to 2023), Americans would have to pay over $1 trillion in additional taxes, over $1 trillion would be siphoned out of Medicare (over $200 billion out of Medicare Advantage alone) and spent on Obamacare, and deficits would rise by over $200 billion. They would rise, that is, unless Congress follows through on the bill’s pledge to cut doctors’ payments under Medicare by 21 percent next year and never raise them back up — which would reduce doctors’ enthusiasm for seeing Medicare patients dramatically.

And what would Americans get in return for this staggering sum? Well, the CBO says that health care premiums would rise, and the Chief Actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services says that the percentage of the Gross Domestic Product spent on health care would rise from 17 percent today to 21 percent by the end of 2019. Nationwide health care costs would be $234 billion higher than under current law. How’s that for “reform”?

Even MoveOn.org says that the bill is “a massive giveaway” to private insurance companies. The CBO estimates that, from 2015-25, private insurers would receive $1.0 trillion in subsidies from the American taxpayer — the insurers’ apparent price for giving up their freedom and being controlled by the government. Congress would mandate that Americans buy the insurers’ product and would redirect massive sums of taxpayer money to make that mandate more feasible. So, if insurance companies are your idea of a worthy object of philanthropy, then Obamacare is for you. …

I wish I could just print the entire post.

Go here to read it all: CBO: Real 10-Year Cost of Senate Bill Still $2.5 Trillion

I have my head in my hands. I’m screaming inside. HOW IN THE HELL CAN CONGRESS PUSH THIS BILL THROUGH???

WHAT CAN WE DO? There’s something far more constructive than screaming by myself, or to you in my writings.

Michelle Malkin, to her great credit, keeps urging people to NOT RELENT and to contact their Representative and Senators. Let’s all do just that.

You know the thing to do: Senate.gov and House.gov. Look up your members of Congress, call them, and calmly tell them that you cannot — in good conscience — vote for them if they support Obamacare.

CLICK HERE to contact both of your senators:

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Check out Memeorandum.com for more blog reactions to the corrected CBO report.

beachnan

Unfreaking believable! Then again, I have gotten used to our govenment telling lies. Nobody in their right mind should support this bill.
TeakWoodKite

Harry IS the Grinch,

Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You’re a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Grinch.

You’re a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich
With arsenic sauce.

The first sign of a lie is a crooked smile.

Bronwyn’s Harbor

I cannot wait until he loses in his reeelection. Oh that’ll be a sweet day.
Khan Krum

I agree. I also remember this time of year in 1994 when a major news magazine put Newt Gingrich on its cover claiming that he was the Grinch who stole Christmas. This was after the Republicans took control of the House after the first attempt of the Government to take over health care. He hadn’t done anything yet at that time as Speaker of the House. Yet, Harry Reid is acting like a despot and the MSM is either neutral towards him or portrays him in a good light.

tek

Khan Krum: I hope you are not suggesting the Republicans didn’t get their huge share of passes from the press.

Bronwyn’s Harbor

One of my senators is using the nearing passage of the Senate bill in order to ask me to give money to her reelection bid!!! AS IF!!!

Her fund-raising letter actually brags about her role in the passage of Obamacare. Then asks me donate whatever I can to her PAC. AS IF!!!

So, it’s a near-impossible task for me to call her office and influence her vote. In fact, it’s probably impossible for people like me to change her mind. But I am going to call anyway. You bet I am.

For one thing, it’ll be healthy psychologically for me to call and let them know directly what I think of their god-awful plan.

It sure beats sitting here and stewing.

And, if enough of us do it, we can put the fear of god into them.

FYI: I am going to tell them, when I call, that I have ALWAYS voted for her for senator but that, in 2010, I will not be able to vote for her in good conscience. (Famous last words — I just pray that the Republicans find a candidate to run against her who I can stand voting for. I am still inclined towards the Democratic party, but this is such historic legislation that we have to fight with everything we have.)
Seriously Sick of Obama

We have called, wrote, pink slips, etc. WE DO NOT MATTER!! Only after they lose there senate seats will they listen, but then it will be too late! I call everyday, email everyday, do everything everyone suggests and NO ONE IS LISTENING!! THE bastards have a price and they will retire in 2010 when voted out as millionaires from money they conned out of us taxpayers, we do not matter to me. Any other suggestions bc everything we have done does not work! THE corrupt Obamanation is non stop and we are just the one’s paying their bills while ours sit with late notices. Impeach over abuse of power is our only option, a no confidence vote, but who the hell will stand up and demand this..NO ONE!! WE ARE SCREWED!!

Obamastolemycountry

I hope they do lose their senate seats! What I fear is based on the way these DemoRats will not listen to constituents and are very confident in doing whatever the h-e-l-l they please and seem unconcerned about their reelection bids, I fear that Obama has already redictricted the US like he did to win in Chicago. Much of the stimuls money got funneled to Democratic districts, Republican districts? Not so much. I am seriously afraid we cannot get rid of the people, like Chicago has never gotten rid of them either. We are screwed. If there is anything that anyone knows to expose this fraud, they better get to it and quickly!
lark

I hope you now know ‘elections count.’ But don’t despair, when speaking about elections, fraud and rigging elections results are always available to those who need to seize power to get their way.

Good luck next time.

The whole world is moving towards ‘socialism,’ which mean simply that those in power will be the privileged ones. The rest work for them. Very similar to what the Federal Governments now believes they are entitled to.

Be happy with your newly found country. I suggest you go into a career in the health care field.

Elizabeth

No idea why MA is basically happy with mandates, but one thing we know is they don’t stay modest for long, and health insurance WILL become all the more expensive…

http: //www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114008115

Bronwyn’s Harbor

Thanks for this link. Here’s the title of the story at NPR:

In Mass., Most Docs Support State’s Health Mandate

It’s mostly a “good news” story about mandated health care insurance. But it does contain these sobering paragraphs:

[...]

Asked what they would change about the law, 34 percent of doctors put “expand coverage” at the top of their list.

The second most-mentioned course correction, with 23 percent mentioning it, is “address costs.” This parallels a more general consensus in Massachusetts that something serious needs to be done about the cost of health care. The new program is heavily subsidized by the state.

[...]

But Triffletti says what’s really going to count is whether Massachusetts can continue funding its popular new health care program in the face of the state’s whopping budget deficits and impending new round of budget cuts.

SEE? That’s the problem with Obamacare. Too much of the cost will be passed along to the states, all of which are already struggling with massive budget deficits. (See California, where Obamacare would add $3 billion to its already bankrupt government.)

lark

Well, then you will see which states stay in the Union. Hopefully all. As long as you can get a Bachelor degree just because you were ‘present,’ and you can get your ‘physician diploma’ because of the color of your skin, according to the quota. What’s important is that anybody that wants to be a doctor can be a doctor.

jbjd

Geesh, BH, as if I wasn’t angry enough already, you had to point to the CBO’s corrections. (As usual, notwithstanding I rail against the information I get from NQ, I am nonetheless so grateful to ‘know,’ at the same time.)

I cannot even vent my outrage at these latest events to my U.S. Senator – we only have one right now – because all of the voice mails assigned to his office are full. But in truth, part of my upset rests with my fellow citizens.

I wholeheartedly believe the D’s perpetrated election fraud in order to get state election officials to print the name of BO on state ballots in the 2008 general election (and the SC Presidential preference primary). Specifically, I believe D’s swore BO was Constitutionally eligible for POTUS without ascertaining before hand this was true. In those states that required such eligibility to get onto the general election ballot, this omission constitutes fraud. I have conceived and drafted a well-reasoned citizen complaint in support of this charge of election fraud, which complaint citizens in applicable states have downloaded and, after filling in their names and home addresses, forwarded to their state A’sG. But so far, not a word from these state constitutional officers, that they are pursuing these citizen complaints.

Why should anyone in power on either the state or federal level, abusing that power; fear the wrath of citizens who can only register that outrage in emails and telephone calls? Instead of reading on-line solicitations for marches in D.C.; or national boycotts; or voice mails, I wish I read entreaties for citizens in these applicable states – so far, we have identified GA, HI, MD, SC, TX, and VA, but there are many more; do you know whether you live in an applicable state? – to come together en masse to petition their A’sG to pursue these complaints.

I am absolutely convinced, the house of cards constructed by the D’s will come crashing down as soon as the AG in one state asks any one of the D’s who signed or submitted these Certifications of Nomination to state election officials, this question: On what documentary basis did you ascertain BO was a NBC before swearing he was Constitutionally eligible for the job?

Just read the citizen complaint for election fraud to the AG of SC, posted in the sidebar of my blog. This should explain everything.

http://jbjd.wordpress.com

FLFem

Well, Obummer begs to differ. According to him, the new bill will trim the deficit, or so he says the CBO says. Here is the story on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/21/health.care.senate.vote/index.html

In the story, the fool in the White House says this..

In remarks at the White House, Obama rejected arguments by Republican opponents of the bill that it will increase the federal deficit.

“That argument that opponents are making against this bill does not hold water,” Obama said.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says the Senate bill will reduce the deficit by $132 billion in the first 10 years, Obama said.

Of course, we can always hope that someone with a sense of fair play will take out the Nelson bribe. If they do…

Nelson told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday that he would withdraw his support if the final bill gets changed too much from the Senate version under consideration.

Among other things, Nelson had a provision added to the bill requiring the federal government to cover Nebraska’s costs for expanded Medicaid coverage after 2016. No other state is currently slated to receive such a benefit.

Ferd Berfle

That anyone is surprised concerning this quite predictable turn of events hasn’t been paying attention to Congress over the years. They lie as a matter of course without batting so much as an eye and with impunity (albeit it so long as it isn’t about, heaven forbid, s-e-x). I’m afraid our political system is so corrupt, it is entirely beyond redemption or salvation. This is truly depressing beyond mere words.
Docelder

They are off by a factor of three, but the actual cost will be much worse because there is no chance that this thing will even resemble itself by the time it is finished and especially by the time 2013 comes around… or whatever the date that people actually get something back may be. I doubt anybody who has a job will get anything back from this government ever. Maybe health care is just bait to flood the country with $500 immigrants. Once the pay $500 for amnesty bill goes through we will have immigrants out our ears… each saying they have been here illegally already. How would this be verified? It can’t be if they were illegals. It is like when a city bus is in an accident with 20 known passengers on the bus and the next day 200 people with neck braces and lawyers want to file a claim for injuries sustained on that bus accident. Suddenly everybody was on that bus.

Bronwyn’s Harbor

Great comment.

I agree with you that the CBO is greatly underestimating the true cost.
lark

I agree 100 percent. One thing we need to look for is ‘new models’ to live by and construct our new country. We used to think of ourselves a leaders that can show all the other countries what was good. No more. We need to reverse that and find in other countries what are the best way to cope with being subservient to the government. Most any country will do and there are out there wonderful examples like China and Venezuela.

Patience

Well, I always wondered how Baby Boomers would fare as we entered our senior years. One thing is clear now — after paying into Medicare ALL OF OUR WORKING LIVES, mother-raping legislators are planning to shortchange us when we finally need it.

To boot, as more and more doctors opt out of accepting Medicare patients, we’ll probably have to pay retainers to have access to good physicians.

I’ll stop there — I could say a lot more.

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yes, and those of us a few years older started paying when Medicare went into law and have paid ever since. My first job at 21 was the year it went into effect. And they wonder why seniors say they’ll be working until they drop.
Bronwyn’s Harbor

Medicare is going to be ruined for Boomers … the quality of its coverage will go down drastically. That’s the only way that they’ll be able to pay for Obamacare.

Right now, I need surgery for a potentially dangerous condition. When Obamacare takes effect, I predict that my surgery will be postponed or rejected — as a cost-saving measure.
connie

Patience, I agree, this seems to be what all this is about. It seems the Boomers haven’t paid enough as in our lifetimes we had to live thru Vietnam, the 70′s gas lines, the 80′s oil glut that saw many oil field worker without work, the absolute looting of our retirements and last but not least Bush 8years and now Obama. I think we have done and gone thru enough.

Peggy Sue

“CBO: Real 10-Year Cost of Senate Bill Still $2.5 Trillion”

Well isn’t that special. The Dems caught in a lie, again. You got hand it to them: they are on a roll.

I agree with jbjd that the house of cards will ultimately come crashing down. I didn’t think the “quake” would happen this quickly, but when you can take a 70% approval for healthcare reform and turn it into a 70% disapproval, you are obviously working overtime to produce utter destruction.

Build a house on a rotten foundation [the Obama spin, the lack of vetting, the dispicable behavior of the DNC last May, the raw sexism and complete disrespect for anyone who objected/criticized during the primary and GE and yes, the basic elegibility question] you can expect the house to fall down. In my mind, the sooner the better.

But remember, we were told it was “just” politics.

Oh no, it was much worse than that. It was the hijacking of the country’s political system. It was destruction from within. Betrayal is betrayal. Doesn’t matter what the political affiliation.

Nelson’s recent caving in for this montrosity when his constituency is clearly against the bill makes me wonder if Rahm and his merry men don’t have dossiers on all these reps., collected all the skeletons in the closet to weild as a convincing weapon on anyone with the balls to resist what Obama wants, which is clearly this bill.

Here’s hoping that 2010 they’ll all be washed down the drain.
TeakWoodKite

Bronwyns Harbor, I keep returning to the Josh Lyman clip. Underlying all the “drama” the levers are being pulled and Chicago style at that.

Nelson doesn’t care about the Senate seat he holds. At somepoint the Golden parachute conversation comes up and not only is an elected official “pressured” to play ball, if they don’t “take one for the team” (retiring to some think tank in style) they are gone.
What the current WH is doing is clearing out opposition to an agenda that is DOA, but that doesn’t concern them since they will be long gone when the true impact is felt.

There are only 2 doctors in my county of 484,470, I discovered that take Medical. The paper work alone should scare the crap out of anyone considering this route. So I got my grandaughter insurance, just to see the family doctor of 25 years. It is expensive, but compared to the bullcrap my daughter would have to go through and still not be able to see the doctor of ones choice, and the intrusive questions about MY financing, Who needs it?
And for this I could go to jail if I refuse to participate? What if, on religious grounds, I refuse to get health care? Where does that one go constitutionally?? Can’t wait for that one to get argued, if I live that long….

Bronwyn’s Harbor

Yes. My aunt just called, and she asked me WHY these senators, who surely know better, are going along with this legislation. I told her it was because they were threatened — viciously threatened — that Democratic and Senate funds would be withheld from them for their reelection bids. I told her that they were pinned in a corner, and had to cave to save their careers. Sadly for all of us, they care more about their seats than they do about us.

IF ANY OF YOU MISSED the clip from West Wing, go here: “How the White House Got To Ben Nelson Et al..”

DO watch the West Wing clip. Everything becomes clear.

tek

This is why we need term limits. People couldn’t be threatened for their seats, because they wouldn’t be able to run again anyway. Supreme Court justices should limited as well instead of lifetime appointments. That kind of guaranteed longevity gives public officials the idea that they ARE the government instead of the people.
TeakWoodKite

If you are not part of Nancy’s marketing plan your a Nazi according to her.

Who do Nancy and BO have in common? Penny.

virginian_without_a_party_now

Yeah, I’m an attorney who HAS studied advanced Constitutional Law (although I wouldn’t call myself a scholar like some…) and I was wondering about the imposition of penalties for people who choose not to participate. Even with subsidies there are going to be some who still can’t really afford a health care plan – that’s just the reality of it.

The state (state or federal government) mandates and requires certain things of citizens – like driver’s licenses if you drive on the public roads. I think it is pretty easy to make the distinction between mandatory driver’s licenses for drivers and mandatory health care plan participation. There is a real, inherent, immediate and serious threat for driving on public roads without being able to demonstrate a minimum proficiency and it can reasonably be argued that this should be controlled/prohibited by the state but where is the immediate, inherent and substantial (severe/life threatening) danger to the populace in not having an individual health care plan? I’m interested to hear the spin on this to make the tenuous connection where the state (our democratic state) could intrude/coerce in this way.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no freeman and I don’t have plans to move to a ranch out west and issue my own money, but it is a constant balance to uphold the principles of our Constitution – balancing the individual’s and the collective state’s rights to intervene/control aspects of our lives.

TeakWoodKite

Driving is a privledge. I do not pay penalties if CHOOSE not to obtain any. Who has car insurance in NYC??

If one follows the your point, it may be asserted that not having “healthcare” is a public threat. As such, the legal arguement that is coming, as to what is constituional about servitude, which is what this healthcare bill means for medical professionals, will be made from that vantage point. To me it is not constitutional. But BO only needs one more on the bench to have this Pelican Brief become a reality.

If it does I will start a new religion which believes this to be against my beliefs. The I will a religiously persecuted citizen. That will get ‘em.
Can anyone think of a Name for this religion?
Virgian without a party, who needs a party? You me and I dare say alot of others are pondering the same thread.
Happy Holidays and I look forward to any other observations you have.

virginian_without_a_party_now

I wish you Happy Holidays as well. I’m close to where Larry Johnson lives so we’ll be digging out for a couple days. Then it looks like it’s freezing rain for Christmas – Great!

Thanks for the complement. I think the religious exemption is your best bet – good luck with that one. But, it only works for adults – people will still have to pay into a plan for children, at least that is how I think the courts lean. Maybe you could say you worship at the Church of the Declaration (of Independence)….

I’ve been thinking a lot about what makes America tick. A lot of the people who have come here – even going back 10,000 years – were willing to take risks, to trade the known for a chance at a better unknown.

I took a quick look at the Declaration of Independence again and it states that our unalienable rights include the “pursuit of Happiness.” It doesn’t say “you’d better be happy or else” or “it is the state’s responsibility to make you happy.” So…I think it is reasonable for the state to facilitate, encourage and at a basic level provide people the opportunity to seek their own happiness (and for the purposes of this post to be healthy) but one of the key reasons for declaring independence was coercion and servitude. Are we now coming full circle?

Democracy (and to a certain extent capitalism – when the system isn’t so rigged) is risky, it is hard, but it gives you a chance at more. That chance doesn’t exist for a lot of people in this world – that is why they are willing to leave their known for the US’s unknown and a chance at more. As time and events show, our model has flaws and needs to be revised but I’m not ready to discard it, as I fear some in power wish to do now.

Unfortunately, with the political parties as they currently stand, I don’t know how to work positively to change the change! And, I don’t know what is worse, people claiming change who aren’t really changing anything except who gets to line their pockets (more of the same, only trading inside-the-beltway for Chicago style – what is this, inside-the-loop?). This will continue to harm the country. Or we will have an extreme change away from US-style democracy that will cause at least a generation of negative fallout for possibly everyone in the country. Both stink and I’m afraid they are our only “choices” right now.

NomNomNom

I have paid for Social Security and Medicare ever since my first paycheck in 1980 when I began working in high school. Unlike the boomers, not only will I pay for this sh#t my whole life and never be able to retire, I was involuntarily drafted into the pyramid game late in the game: I will never receive one penny back.
I do feel bad for the boomers, but I feel a whole lot worse for those who will never get any money back.

connie

Nom, Nom, Most of us won’t either, because we lost our retirements in Enron, Aig and other b.s. I am due to retire in 6 years and I won’t be able to. I am an xray tech with 5 bulging disc in my back and both knees have torn meniscus and I have to keep working, I hope I can.

NomNomNom

ugh, that is just horrible. I don’t have any retirement to lose, but one of my sisters lost over half of hers the same way; just sickening, not to mention infuriating.
I’m really sorry to hear about your health, I know that is an extremely painful condition. my same sister also had the spinal fusion surgery for some injured discs in her back & neck; I was really scared when she went in, but it did help her a lot. she had a job that required physical labor at the time, but went back to school and got a degree where she could do desk work.
I think we will all just be working til we drop.
I would not mind it so much, if I knew there would actually be work; it’s just the uncertainty that is so awful, wondering how long I can keep taking care of all my cats and whether or not I will lose the house.
MBC

connie, I am sorry to hear of your pain. Get your surgery/treatments now, while there is still time.

Bronwyn’s Harbor

Your comment makes me so sad. It’s not right.

I hope that you get a break somehow, some way. I’ll be thinking of you.
Ferd Berfle

I concur. I’m on the very back end of the boomer generation and have been paying into the system every year since 1973 (except the four years I was in college). I expect I’ll receive nothing at all for my trouble and will work until the day I drop. I may as well just resign myself to the fact that I’m going to be an involuntary indentured servant.
IndianaDem

Social Security insurance has been around since 1937, and has faithfully and unfailingly paid millions of retired Americans for years. It has also faithfully paid survivor benefits to millions of young surviving spouses and surviving underage children, often being the only thing that has kept a wage earner’s unexpected early death from leading a family to abject poverty. That’s certainly not something that can be said for any pension or annuity system cooked up by corporate America, which has had a very bad record of taking the money and breaking their promises. You can’t even trust them with your personal investments.

The program is currently fiscally sound. With proper attention it can remain so indefinitely–assuming corporate financial schemers don’t somehow get their hands on it.

NomNomNom

social security is a pyramid scheme which even for those to whom it makes payment, it does not pay out in value the equivalent of what it took.
as for its stability, they push the retirement age back and then back some more: if it were stable, why would this be necessary?
the whole system is predicated upon succeeding workers paying in enough to pay for the preceding workers. do you really think that likely now, with quality jobs being shipped overseas, permanent job losses, the death of US manufacturing, a serious depression that appears to be bottomless?
then there is the reason for the depression: our government has been hijacked by fascists who now control our economy and write their own laws.
jmo, I expect to see it eventually privatized and “invested” into bankruptcy even as corporate retirement plans have been, or else borrowed against by the government until the debt causes it to become “too big to save”.
in any event, if you believe social security will remain solvent, I have a very nice ~~ranch in Crawford~~ mansion in Chicago that I will sell you for a real bargain.

IndianaDem

…if it were stable, why would this be necessary?

Because the average life expectancy in 1950 was 68.2 years. People were pretty much “worn out and used up” even earlier. The current life expectancy is 10 years longer.

If money gets too tight, maybe we should consider cutting back on habitual warfare. By some calculations military-related spending sucks up over 58% of the GDP.

NomNomNom

that is only partly true; much of the increase in average life expectancy comes from falling infant and early childhood mortality.
also, you state that today’s elderly are in a better condition to work than their predecessors; this is an unproven assumption on your part.
furthermore, many gains in longevity are predicated upon access to quality medical care: such access is certainly not guaranteed now and may prove far less lasting than you presently imagine.
finally, whites outlive blacks on average; and women, men: if social security is not determined by a set number of years paying in, but rather by the number of years of expected benefit, by your assessment whites and women should then be made to work longer to retire. do you then support this?
NomNomNom

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NomNomNom

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didn’t expect anyone still up tonight

tek

I figured some expert would expose the deficit reduction right away.

I feel sorry for people who are self-employed, make enough money that their income tax will be significantly raised, then have to shell out a bunch of money to buy mandated health insurance. They’ll pay and pay and never get anything.
Kbentleyis

Things look rather bleek right now. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve called, written, emailed our reps and got no response.

Well, I’m tired of beating that dead horse. We are Americans! We know the game DC is playing and it will be up to us to correct it.

Believe it or not, the Tea Party movement is gathering so much ground, it can’t be ignored any longer.

We organize. If ACORN can do it, so can we. Call your neighbors, family, and friends. Start acquiring information of who is running against your congressmen and senators in your district and state. Time for each one of us to start taking action to remove this travesty from our country’s governing.

Look up the Tea Party in your area. Get involved. It’s certainly better than getting phony BS information from the State-Owned Media.

Let DC know, WE THE PEOPLE are coming. And, we’re coming for them.
Diana L. C.

I think I’ll plan my funeral right now, stop eating and “cross over” as soon as possible, at least while I can be buried with my last shirt on my back.

The people in Washington must all be taking strong drugs or something to alter their sense of reality so much.

I am just plain sad for all of us.

lark

That’s the way I feel. But this is not about us. It is about how the country will go back to full employment. Since no one in this country knows math anymore, all we are is ‘service personnel’ that need only to learn to push buttons. What’s important is that they can get their degrees and certificates of proficiency by just being ‘present.’ After that it would be good if they can memorize which buttons to push. Those that can get a government job will be in the take; those that don’t will need to be happy with their push button jobs. At least we can be happy that the Japanese will still be making things where we all can push buttons and get something in return.

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donna

What we need people is a tax revolt. If everyone in the country would just choose to be federal exempt from paying taxes during the course of the work year then refuse to file their taxes, it would work. They can’t come after the whole country and once we cut the money off then that will actually get their attention. The only problem is the ones who don’t have to pay taxes but still get a refund. They would file for their handout funded by the taxpayers. But still if those who have to pay refuse to pay there would be no money to hand out.. I, like many on here, email, call,(for which I don’t even get the insulting form letter to acknoweledge me) sent the pink slips, went to protests, threatened not to vote for them in 2010, bottom line is they only care about getting our money… It’s time to cut off the money!
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