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By Larry Johnson on December 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM in Current Affairs

If one picture is worth a thousand words what is a video worth?

Check out this comparison of how Marines in Al Anbar reacted to George W. vice how Marines at Camp Lejeune reacted to the Golden Child:

Now this does not mean that Bush was a great leader.

But this reflects what I have encountered recently among officers and enlisted. Barack’s bullshit is wearing thin. The troops will be polite and they will respect the office. But they clearly have doubts about the man.

  • Jackie

    They have always had doubts about this man. The active soldiers voted against Ohbama by 3 to 1.

    They know he does not value them as human beings. He has denegrated them and thier service all along.

    Bush for all his flaws was a genuine person. He loved the soldiers and they knew it, even if they had doubts about some of his goals. Clinton and Obama have the contempt of many of our defenders. But unlike Clinton and Obama soldiers are diciplined and will honor their oaths.

    On that, the VAST majority of our current leaders need lessons.

    • Tricia

      I do agree with what one thing you said about Bssh. I believe he was a terrible president, BUT there was something down-home and sincere about him–one had to admire that. I don’t see an inkling of that in Obama. And you either have it or you don’t–it cannot be faked.

      • xuiop

        If you believe someone born with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth who dodged his military obligations is down home, then you’re not.

        • andrew

          Since Vietnam, it’s always been instructive to compare the numbers of members of the House and Senate who have actually worn their country’s uniform across party lines. For some reason, democrats win the count by a wide margin.

          • Onofre’s arm

            In 2007, of the 35 Senators who served, 23 were Republicans and 12 were Democrats. Currently in The House, 37 Republican members served, and 36 Democrats served. Since in both houses, Republicans are greatly in the minority, then the percentage of Republicans who have served is much greater than the percentage of Democrats. You were saying?

            • andrew

              I believe I prefaced that comment with Since Vietnam.

              • Onofre’s arm

                Do you “believe” you prefaced that comment, or did you actually do it?

                Your first sentence makes no sense because the “Since Vietnam” segment is a dangling modifier. While YOU might understand your intent, anyone else who reads this comment will probably be confused.

                “…compare the numbers of members of the House and Senate who have actually worn their country’s uniform across party lines.” What the hell does that mean? Has someone worn a uniform while crossing party lines?

                Perhaps if you provided some bomb proof evidence of your ridiculous claim, you might earn some credibility. Until then, go do some research.

                • andrew

                  Bomb-proof evidence? I might say the same regarding assertions that the troops dislike and distrust Barack Obama–or with regard to assertions that Obama doesn’t care about them despite a voting record suggesting otherwise, while those who have repeatedly voted to their disadvantage care deeply.

                  • Onofre’s arm

                    In other words, the initial statement where you awkwardly tried to imply that more Democrat than Republican members of Congress have served in the military is pure bullshit. Got it!

        • http://! stodgie

          xuiop, enlighten us as to what you have contributed to the welfare of this country? waiting???? clock ticking?? ah, as i thought, nothing! in fact probably detracted.

    • Ani

      Please do not mention Clinton and Obama in the same breath. the troops certainly regarded Bill Clinton much more warmly than Obama. And they surely have a great deal more respect for Hillary than the current CiC.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Spot on.

    • Animal Control

      Hillary is a fighter–troops and the many Retired Officers that supported her could plainly see this–why can’t you?

  • donjo

    Kindly provide us with links that show where the troops have contempt for Clinton – I assume you’re talking about Hillary?

    • donjo

      Forgot to add: I suspect you will find the same contempt toward 0 in the general public.

    • susan

      I think he’s referring to Bill

  • Jackie

    NO! Bill Clinton Not Hillary.

  • Jackie

    Serving under the Clinton administration was very hard for a lot of soldiers. I have been in that community since I was 4.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Serving under Ford as I did with Rumsfeld at the helm was difficult, too. Your point is?

      There’s a distinct difference between incompetence based on in-deliberate ignorance, e.g., Rumsfeld under Ford or, if you insist, Clinton

      and…

      deliberate incompetence, i.e., That One and his distant relative Cheney (and Rumsfeld *again*, this time deliberate) (who ran the Bush Administration defense policy for all intents and purposes).

  • Jackie

    I believe that Obama holds humanity in contempt. It is the belief of him and his inner circle that they are solely qualified to tell the rst of us how to live. A very Hobbsian view of the world.

  • donjo

    I’m not being a smartass, but I would really like to know why. I realize Bill was trying to keep the bloated military budget under control and that he managed to avoid the draft by going to Oxford, but then Cheney dodged the draft 7 times and it is generally understood that Bush was a complete flop as a National Guard pilot, even going AWOL, and by “chance” avoiding serving active duty.

    0 just strikes me as a complete spineless wimp. I would NOT want him covering my back.

    • Onofre’s arm

      How about, “I loath the military”– Bill Clinton in a letter to the officer he was to report to as a draftee.

      • rosa

        So in the vietnam era there were alot of people feeling that way and mostly for the higher ups and not so much the soilders

        • rosa

          soldiers

      • Ferd Berfle

        Shrub did not serve with any sort of distinction or courage and spent most of his time working on campaigns. Moreover, service in the national guard or reserve in the 60s and 70s was considered work as a weekend warrior and I know because we in the regular Army called them that with a decided derision because they rarely saw any real action. Just ask any veteran up to the 1980s. That being said, I do know that today’s reserves and National Guard are real soldiers in every sense of the word.

        As for politicians in positions of authority–

        Shrub’s VP, Cheney was and is just a coward–a sniveling, yellow-belly. And believe me, as a veteran, I reserve the right to call any chicken-shit politician exactly what I think of them, especially when making comments to a reporter to the effect that, “the soldiers knew what they were getting into”.

        • Onofre’s arm

          Ferd, aren’t you just fleshing out and justifying a double standard here? My statement regarding BC’s “loathing” of the military was simply an answer to the question, “Why did the military have no respect for Clinton?”

          Read his letter to Col. Holmes.

          http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

          While you can criticize and condemn Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. all, Clinton, a man you seem to admire, writes in his letter that the young men who avoided the draft at considerable risk, were in his opinion some of “..the bravest, best men I know.” and, “That (they are) considered criminal(s) is an obscenity.”

          So, if you wish to excuse Clinton for his draft dodging efforts, you’ll ethically have to excuse others for the same activity. According to Clinton himself, men like Cheney should have been considered heroes. If you respect or excuse what Clinton did, you’ll have to do the same for other dodgers. Or, admit that they were ALL wrong, including Clinton, and not refrain from using your adjectives of “coward” or “sniveling, yellow-belly” when describing Clinton as well. Or, run the risk of hypocrisy.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Clinton NEVER claimed to serve as Shrub (or Shrub’s allies) did. It should also be pointed out that Clinton didn’t make an issue out of his service at any point–the right-wing bots did, to which he was forced to respond.

            So if you’re so pissed at Bill, then you ought to be really pissed off at Cheney, since he is the real coward. So if you wish to excuse Cheney for his deliberate and oft-used deferments, then you have absolutely zero (0) room to not excuse Clinton for his single deferment. I stand by my comment concerning Cheney’s cowardice. 5-deferments does not a hero make.

            By the way, I was never angry about Shrub’s lack of service until bushbots starting comparing his “service” to Bill’s lack of service, which represented a difference lacking substantive distinction–neither had bullets flying around them or were ever in theater.

            • Onofre’s arm

              So… you’re opting for hypocrisy?

      • http://! stodgie

        he was young and you were too. bill clinton loved this country and worked his behind off to improve so i take offense to knocking him for words said during the time of an upopular war. i don’t mind discusssing the pros and cons of what he did as president or some of the things he has said and done since in regards to policy positions. i don’t care about his private life.

    • hokma

      ” . . . it is generally understood that Bush was a complete flop as a National Guard pilot, even going AWOL, and by “chance” avoiding serving active duty.”

      No, it is not generally understood and i would not critique another soldier’s service to the country. That includes John Kerry who 3 purple hearts were in question. Other than the bogus papers that Dan Rather(not) came up with as well as left wing B.S. there is zero evidence of what you say.

      Clinton, Cheney, and tens of thousands others did what they could to avoid the draft because a tour in Vietnam at the time was regarded as a near death sentence for no apparent reason.

      Being in the military was never a requirement to be a CiC and many were not. The difference between Clinton and Obama is ultimately Clinton’s experience as a Governor and his regard and respect for the military, where Obama is a fraud.

      • donjo

        Googling bush awol leads to many fascinating sites. Not a damn one proves anything one way or another and I guess it’s up to the reader to decide which one is more believable. Here’s some sites presenting both sides of the issue:

        http://www.awolbush.com/awards.asp

        http://www.factcheck.org/new_evidence_supports_bush_military_service_mostly.html

        http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154

        Being the son of a rich and influential Poppy Bush almost certainly led to favorable treatment. His most provable egregious offenses are being allowed to sign up after scoring only 25% on the entrance exam and later refusing to take a flight physical exam, led to him being taken off flight status for the last 2 years of his stint.

        • hokma

          All links are left wing loon sites who just make shit up and do not present an objective view.

          Ever fly an F-102? Not exactly like taking a commercial airliner.

          • donjo

            Factcheck is a right wing site run by the Annebergs. And even they are a little suspect of Bushes “excuses.”

            • Onofre’s arm

              Annenbergs are right wing? Try googling Barry Obama, Bill Ayers, and Annenberg and see what you come up with.

              • NomNomNom

                Annenbergs are right wing in the main, regardless of the Ozero connection via Ayers.
                jmo I would not overlook the possibility that Ayers and BHO’s mother both were government provocateurs/informants. Look at the trial of Hal Turner. People say and do many things for money.
                This would certainly explain as well where BHO came from.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Onofre’s arm, Fact checking Factcheck?

                And it’s right wing? Now that is histerical.

                Donjo, in the spirt of the Holidays, don’t go lookin fer coal.

                • Onofre’s arm

                  It’s all so confusing, and intentionally so. We’ll all soon be Babelized.

                  (I know I’ve been Babelized when so many of the words I use get flagged by spell check, not because they’re spelled wrong, but because spell check apparently doesn’t recognize the word)

                  • TeakWoodKite

                    When I spell Obama, my spell checker wants to change it to ABM. It’s been that way since the primaries.

                    In Word it wants to spell Osama. No Shit.

                    • Onofre’s arm

                      That’s priceless Teak! Maybe your browser has Russian origins.

                      As far as Word, hey, just go with it! It won’t be long until Obama and Osama have the same approval ratings, why not share the same spelling?

                • NomNomNom

                  http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8430006241001/m/6090014202001
                  “Walter Annenberg — A Powerful Conservative Publishing Mogul and Ambassador to England
                  Examining the Foundation itself, it is worthwhile to take a look at is founder Walter Annenberg. Born in 1908, Walter was raised by his conservative father who resourcefully scratched together a media empire by the name of Triangle Publications. Walter later inherited Triangle and used its various publications to vitriolically attack a number of liberal politicians. Annenberg’s efforts endeared him to a number of conservative politicians including Richard Nixon, who appointed him as ambassador of England, and was close friends to Ronald Reagan whom he first introduced to Margaret Thatcher. While in England Annenberg gained notoriety by facilitating a number of business deals between US and British interests.”

                  http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/8362.html
                  “Keenly in touch with conservative politics throughout his life, Annenberg counted among his friends many national leaders. He was named U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain in 1969 by President Richard M. Nixon. Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan and introduced the U.S. president to Margaret Thatcher, future prime minister of Great Britain.”

                  http://www.answers.com/topic/walter-annenberg
                  “In 1969 Annenberg sold the Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News for $55 million, accepting an appointment from President Richard Nixon as ambassador to Britain. Some questioned Annenberg’s fitness for the plum post; he had no diplomatic experience, and suggestions surfaced in the press that he had bought the job with campaign contributions. It was true that Annenberg and Nixon were friends, but his political contributions to Nixon began only with the ill-fated re-election campaign of 1972. Annenberg was also close to other conservative politicians and helped bankroll Ronald Reagan’s ascent through the Republican party ranks to the presidency in 1980.”

                  http://almoderate.com/2008/10/13/mccains-own-ties-to-annenberg-and-william-ayers/
                  “Walter Annenberg died in 2002, and his widow Leonore is now president and chair of the Annenberg Foundation. Annenberg has donated to the McCain campaign, and on October 8, she publicly endorsed John McCain for president. McCain now lists her on his campaign website as a “former U.S. Ambassadors for McCain-Palin.” In fact, she’s second on the list.”

    • CentralMass

      The fact that Reagan’s trickle down economics had taken the national debt from ~$980 billion at the start of his term to $5.5 trillion by the end of G.H.W. Bush’s term, IMO was the major cause. They did not fund the cost of government and instituted the biggest tax cut in American history while funding a War in Afghanistan (Soviet-Afghan War), Gulf War I, not to mention all the clandestine crap that they were ilegally funding for Iran-Contra anthe building up Saddam Hessein during the Iran-Iraq War.

      They broke the bank. Those policies created consecutive budget deficts into Clinton’s first term. 4 presidential terms of bleeding money. The military cuts started under the hand of SOD Dick Cheney as did the base closing process that manadated bases closing into this century was also cemented into law during that Administartion. Remeber Rumsfeld wringing his hands as he shut-down a naval shipyard in New England and tried to shutdown the submarine base in Groton,Conn?

      That fiscal irresponsibility is what led to gutting the military. The stark reality is that the country is woefully underfunded and we will continue to be screwed until we stop robbibg from the poor to give to the rich.

  • MG-PUMA

    LOL – what a contrast!

    MG-PUMA

  • Onofre’s arm

    Our fighting men and women hold dearly a certain set of values and principles that they will fight and die for. They know that Bush also shares their devotion to our country and the Constitution, so the bond they have with him is that of a brother.

    What has been obvious from the outset for many, and is becoming increasingly obvious to all but the most committed Obamunists, is that Obama doesn’t even vaguely represent the values our servicemen cherish. Quite the opposite, Obama has a fading superficial facade that has hidden from many his true contempt for this country, it’s people, and the foundational principles that have set us apart from the rest of the world for 233 years. Sensing this, our soldiers may be conflicted when following his lead, fearing that fighting for Obama may be essentially fighting against the best interests of our country, and they’d be violating the Constitution they’ve all vowed to uphold.

  • The Real HC

    This contempt of things military is pretty pervasive. If the CiC sells our troops short, of course the rest will follow.

    I was forced to view the latest progressive propaganda piece – “Avatar” – with a nephew.

    First of all, its not a good movie, and I usually like “sci-fi”.

    Among its many gross yet typical themes is of course “prodigal son goes native” – meets princess, becomes leader of primitive tribe because they were just waiting for him, and then saves the day. Is this even what James Cameron means to be saying? Come on.

    It also repeats (ad nauseum) the current meme that our soldiers are bad, do the universe harm, and are a force for evil – with the exception of a few rebels. Such a terrible statement, and one I am very tired of hearing and seeing.

    I am not surprised our troops are less than thrilled with our CiC. Even by comparision to the old one. When did it become bad to say I support our troops?

    • MBC

      Thanks HC, I was planning on taking the family to see the movie this weekend, but now I will pass. I too, am tired of Soldier Bashing. While I personally don’t want to be a soldier, I am very grateful for those who do (for the right reasons of course).

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    I wouldn’t be thrilled to see the current president either, with his world-wide US apology tour and his pewtrid wife never being proud of her country………… its fitting.

  • http://www.dwarfhamster.com dst

    Perhaps there are a few people in Sarajevo who would contend that Bill Clintons use of the military was not all that bad!

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-754030.html

    • Been There Done THAT

      Having trained those soldiers going to the Balkans, I KNOW that Clinton and Madman Albright sent them in with crappy ROE and without all the support they needed.

      11 years at the European Training Center (CMTC/JMRC) give me some unique perspective.

      And our intrepid European Allies were a JOKE.

      • Ferd Berfle

        My son served in Kosovo (and two tours in Iraq and another coming in Afghanistan with the 101st). He said at least in Kosovo the people were quite happy to have them there. I trust his word on this. I served in Wildflecken, FRG in the 1970s. You should know about that place. I didn’t judge all of NATO and USAREUR based on that truly crappy assignment. I would disagree with you about the NATO allies. They came to Wildflecken every year during REFORGER and they, especially the Canadians and the French, of all soldiers, were as tough as nails.

      • CentralMass

        There were zero “combat” fatalities in that conflict.

        Compare it to the bloodbath in Iraq due to the piss poor straegy, planning, and assumptiond made by the clowns who arciteched it.

      • CentralMass

        There were zero “combat” fatalities in that conflict.

        Compare it to the bloodbath in Iraq due to the piss poor straegy, planning, and assumptions made by the clowns who arcitected it.

    • Onofre’s arm

      The Soviets LOVED Paul Robeson (famous American communist) and fawned all over him when he visited.
      So….what’s your point dst?

      • FLFem

        Paul Robeson was not a “famous American Communist”. He was a black man who used his fame as a singer, and he was a great one, to bring attention to the unfair treatment of blacks in America, and in other countries. Read this.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

        He was a friend of the Soviet people, not because he was a Communist, but because he wasn’t told to sit in the back of the bus in Russia. He was one of America’s great talents, and he was treated just like every other black person in America, like they weren’t worth as much as a white person. He spent his life trying to change that. If you want to know who Paul Robeson really was, read up on him. And listen to his music. His recording of “Old Man River” will move you to tears. If it doesn’t, you don’t have a heart.

        • Onofre’s arm

          I know exactly who Robeson is and how he gained his fame, and infamy. He was an active member of the underground Communist Party in America. And he probably now resides in the ninth circle of Hell for betraying his dear friend, the Soviet poet Itzhak Feffer. Feffer had become a victim of one of Stalin’s purges, and while Robeson visited in Moscow, Feffer told Robeson “They’re going to kill us.”, and he said “When you return to America, you must speak out and save us.” When Robeson did return, he told reporters that the imprisonment of Feffer and other Jews was a malicious lie. Soon after, Feffer and countless others vanished into Stalin’s Gulag. Out of shame and remorse, Robeson finally admitted near his death that he had hidden the truth. He might just as well have been a Soviet agent, and the rather casual treatment of such individuals has contributed more to the decay of our country than any direct assault from a foreign entity. The current mess this country is in is mostly due to decades of pressure from the Progressive/Communist movements that have been ignored by a naive public.

          Read “Radical Son” by David Horowitz if you want to get an accurate understanding of Robeson and the enemy that has been feverishly operating within our own borders.

          • FLFem

            If he had the racial equality in America that he found in the Soviet Union, and other places in Europe, he would never have been a Communist. Martin Luther King, Jr. also flirted briefly with Communism for the same reason, racial equality. And I am pretty sure that Robeson was told by the KGB that any mention of the imprisonments would mean the instant death of his friends. And by then he knew they would have done it. To judge someone like Paul Robeson, you have to take the times in which he lived into account. He was a talented artist with a wonderful voice who was treated like a third-class citizen in his own country. That is reason enough to go find a place where he is treated with respect. He could fill concert halls around the world, but in America he couldn’t live in most of the neighborhoods he could afford, eat at the best restaurants, or sit in the front row of the theatre he performed in because he was black. Live a life like that before you decide he was a menace or blame him for being a Communist.

  • xuiop

    Wow this one brought out the Bush kool-aid drinkers! When I served the GOP was infiltrating every military activity during the 70s; you couldn’t go to a formation without hearing a load of conservative crap about hippies and Democrats so it is no wonder the military support the GOP– it’s trickle down bullshit just like we have coming out of the White House now. It has gotten so bad at the AF Academy that they have had to have investigations. I have a whole clan of Democrats serving right now and out of five, there is one Obama supporter and no Bush lovers (George the First excepted since I even kinda liked him, though he was certainly no Clinton.)

  • confused

    Point well taken, but in pursuit of complete accuracy and honesty, the settings are totally different. One is more obviously conducive to boisterous applause whereas the other is not so much, so in order to make an accurate comparison I would like to see a side-by-side of W vs. O and the troop response in the same setting. I didn’t support W and I have never supported O, but that doesn’t impact my need for fairness and accuracy. I do suspect that the troops had more respect for W but it is based purely on a hunch and not bolstered by anything I have seen in this example. thank you however for the examples because I do think they are relevant in some respect…

  • Isabelle

    Why am I not surprised by the vivid contrast as to the Marine receptions vs. departures.

    One man dearly loves this country, and, loves and supports the troops with all his heart.

    The other man has demonstrated a cool apathy, refused to wear the flag pin, and holds his hands o/his ding-dong during the pledge of allegence.

    Please….there is absolutely zero comparison between the two and the Marines correctly discerned it.

    • hokma

      It is also worth noting that one man did not use a teleprompter (from the heart) while the other man desperately needed it (from his speechwriter).

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    the troops love Bush

    • http://! stodgie

      the troops loved bush because he loved them. these troops know obama despises them. it is clear in the body language.

      • andrew

        I put a lot more stock in Obama’s consistently pro-troop and pro-veteran Senate voting record than in something so vague and subjective as “body language”. The voting record of some of his prominent republican opponents has been truly dismal.

        It’s not what a Senator says or how it’s said that counts; it’s how a Senator actually votes.

        • Onofre’s arm

          “Present!”

          Yes, I see your point Andrew. It’s not what a Senator (or potus) says or how it’s said that counts. Can I quote you?

          • andrew

            Whatever. I’ll draw my conclusions based on Obama’s consistent “Yea” votes that increased funding for protective gear and supplies in the field, increased funding for active duty and veteran medical care, supported the expanded GI bill, etc. I’ll give him points for putting an end to stop loss policies, lengthening the interval between combat tours, and raising pay and allowances for active duty troops and their families.

            I also take note of the fact that prominent republican senators who apparently have the demeanor people seem to like regarding the military voted quite differently on all of those issues.

  • Lonni

    The differences were dramatic. I remember when I was in the Navy…oh, so many years ago..and truly hated all of the “mickey mouse nonsense” that came up with the “Brass” and the Washington, DC “crowd”. It was all pomp and ceremony to me and a real pain in the behind at the time. I have no doubt that the troops having to stand down for Obama had similar thoughts. In fact, I have no doubt that there are few of them who respect him at all. Aside from experience in my own life…a video is worth far more than a thousand words.

  • Retired

    It has been my experience that American soldiers and others who must put their lives on the line can generally sense sincerity from insincerity in their leaders. In the Marines and the CIA, I served under both types of presidents.
    I can think of few who have more credibility in distinguishing shit from Shinola that those who must wade through the former and then return to make their shoes glisten with the latter.

    • oowawa

      I can think of few who have more credibility in distinguishing shit from Shinola that those who must wade through the former and then return to make their shoes glisten with the latter.

      Wow–what a magnificent sentence!

      Steve Martin, in The Jerk, learns this lesson:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsyS0oHLNFA

      • Retired

        I had forgotten about that Steve Martin bit. Merry Christmas! (Oops, can we still say that? I heard that part of Obamacare was a national prohibition on Christmas.)

  • Park Slope Pubby

    I was told by somebody who knows that the two words to describe the Obama staff are incompetent AND arrogant.

    This can’t end well.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Add dogmatic and you get the trifecta for a truly dangerous Administration.

  • Danny

    GEEEEEEEEEEEEE, ONE BILLION A YEAR TO GIVE TO THOSE THUGS WHO DID NOT SPEND TO GET AHEAD OF TIMES.INSTEAD THEY SPEND IT ON THEMSELVES LEFT THE POOR POOR AND COULD CARELESS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOW HILLARY OFFERERD 150 BILLION A YEAR OF THE U.S MONEY.. YOU MEAN OUR MONEY TAX MONEY THEY WILL NOW PUT MORE A BURDEN ON US.AND NOW OBAMA IS ASKING FOR 2 BILLION DOLLARS TO SO WHAT HE SAYS TO CREATE JOBS.. HMMMMMM, NOTHING HAS HAPPEND YET AND ALL THE MONEY HAS NO BEEN REASHED FOR THE OTHER MONEY HE GOT.HMMMMM, HILLARY 150 BILLION = OBAMAS 200 BILLION HE WANTS IN JUST THE AMOUNT Nopenhagen:” WANTS…..

    Sorry I can not vote a flipacat ever till the house is cleaned out.

    I did vote for Hillary in Parimaries. GE NOPE CAUSE OBAMA FRAUD THE VOTES.I am not voteing ever for a democart ! scumbs they are

    THE WORST… NON PRESIDENT EVER !FAKE FRAUD.. HE HAS ZERO !

  • Mandy

    Googling bush awol leads to many fascinating sites. Not a damn one proves anything one way or another and I guess it’s up to the reader to decide which one is more believable. Here’s some sites presenting both sides of the issue:

    http://www.awolbush.com/awards.asp

    http://www.factcheck.org/new_evidence_supports_bush_military_service_mostly.html

    http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154

    Being the son of a rich and influential Poppy Bush almost certainly led to favorable treatment. His most provable egregious offenses are being allowed to sign up after scoring only 25% on the entrance exam and later refusing to take a flight physical exam, led to him being taken off flight status for the last 2 years of his stint.
    —————————-

    If you really take facts check on face value ? Annenberg, bill ayers and obama all worked togethere.and guess who is in factcheck…yeap..Annenberg they cover for the fraud !

    BUSH KEPT US SAFE ! OBAMA IS BRING THE TERROIST INTO ILL AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO TOWN FOR TREATMENT ECT. GEEEEE WHAT A FRAUD OBAMA IS

  • James

    Let’s see a presidental visit to front line troops taken at the hight of his popularity compared to a visit to a stateside military post; that’s fair and ballanced–Not.

    Oh here is another one; a president talking to servicemembers at the begining of a military operation compaired to a president talking to them eight long, fustrating, demoralizing years latter. Gee no differnce there either, right?

    Oh and by the way, were is the whitey tape genius? Why hasn’t any of your reliable sources been able to find that puppy up yet? Pehaps they are trying to dig it out of the piles of bogus Kenyan birth cirtificates they have floating around their studies?

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