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		<title>By: Devastating Critique of Obamacare From the Left : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devastating Critique of Obamacare From the Left : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] December, in &#8220;10 11 Reasons to Kill the Senate Bill , I posted progressive Jane Hamsher&#8217;s strong objections, among [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BlogConsulting.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlogConsulting.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: o</title>
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		<dc:creator>o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/notes/sarah-palin/midnight-votes-backroom-deals-and-a-death-panel/213042303434

Last weekend while you were preparing for the holidays with your family, Harry Reid’s Senate was making shady backroom deals to ram through the Democrat health care take-over. The Senate ended debate on this bill without even reading it. That and midnight weekend votes seem to be standard operating procedures in D.C. No one is certain of what’s in the bill, but Senator Jim DeMint spotted one shocking revelation regarding the section in the bill describing the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (now called the Independent Payment Advisory Board), which is a panel of bureaucrats charged with cutting health care costs on the backs of patients – also known as rationing. Apparently Reid and friends have changed the rules of the Senate so that the section of the bill dealing with this board can’t be repealed or amended without a 2/3 supermajority vote. Senator DeMint said:

“This is a rule change. It’s a pretty big deal. We will be passing a new law and at the same time creating a senate rule that makes it out of order to amend or even repeal the law. I’m not even sure that it’s constitutional, but if it is, it most certainly is a senate rule. I don’t see why the majority party wouldn’t put this in every bill. If you like your law, you most certainly would want it to have force for future senates. I mean, we want to bind future congresses. This goes to the fundamental purpose of senate rules: to prevent a tyrannical majority from trampling the rights of the minority or of future congresses.”

In other words, Democrats are protecting this rationing “death panel” from future change with a procedural hurdle. You have to ask why they’re so concerned about protecting this particular provision. Could it be because bureaucratic rationing is one important way Democrats want to “bend the cost curve” and keep health care spending down?

The Congressional Budget Office seems to think that such rationing has something to do with cost. In a letter to Harry Reid last week, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf noted (with a number of caveats) that the bill’s calculations call for a reduction in Medicare’s spending rate by about 2 percent in the next two decades, but then he writes the kicker:

“It is unclear whether such a reduction in the growth rate could be achieved, and if so, whether it would be accomplished through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care.”

Though Nancy Pelosi and friends have tried to call “death panels” the “lie of the year,” this type of rationing – what the CBO calls “reduc[ed] access to care” and “diminish[ed] quality of care” – is precisely what I meant when I used that metaphor.

This health care bill is one of the most far-reaching and expensive expansions of the role of government into our lives. We’re talking about putting one-seventh of our economy under the government’s thumb. We’re also talking about something as intimate to our personal well-being as medical care.

This bill is so unpopular that people on the right and the left hate it. So why go through with it? The Senate is planning to vote on this on Christmas Eve. Why the rush? Though we will begin paying for this bill immediately, we will see no benefits for years. (That’s the trick that allowed the CBO to state that the bill won’t grow the deficit for the next ten years.)

The administration’s promises of transparency and bipartisanship have been broken one by one. This entire process has been defined by midnight votes on weekends, closed-door meetings with industry lobbyists, and payoffs to politicians willing to sell their principles for sweetheart deals. Is it any wonder that Americans are so disillusioned with their leaders in Washington?

This is about politics, not health care. Americans don’t want this bill. Americans don’t like this bill. Washington has stopped listening to us. But we’re paying attention, and 2010 is coming. 

- Sarah Palin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/notes/sarah-palin/midnight-votes-backroom-deals-and-a-death-panel/213042303434" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/notes/sarah-palin/midnight-votes-backroom-deals-and-a-death-panel/213042303434</a></p>
<p>Last weekend while you were preparing for the holidays with your family, Harry Reid’s Senate was making shady backroom deals to ram through the Democrat health care take-over. The Senate ended debate on this bill without even reading it. That and midnight weekend votes seem to be standard operating procedures in D.C. No one is certain of what’s in the bill, but Senator Jim DeMint spotted one shocking revelation regarding the section in the bill describing the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (now called the Independent Payment Advisory Board), which is a panel of bureaucrats charged with cutting health care costs on the backs of patients – also known as rationing. Apparently Reid and friends have changed the rules of the Senate so that the section of the bill dealing with this board can’t be repealed or amended without a 2/3 supermajority vote. Senator DeMint said:</p>
<p>“This is a rule change. It’s a pretty big deal. We will be passing a new law and at the same time creating a senate rule that makes it out of order to amend or even repeal the law. I’m not even sure that it’s constitutional, but if it is, it most certainly is a senate rule. I don’t see why the majority party wouldn’t put this in every bill. If you like your law, you most certainly would want it to have force for future senates. I mean, we want to bind future congresses. This goes to the fundamental purpose of senate rules: to prevent a tyrannical majority from trampling the rights of the minority or of future congresses.”</p>
<p>In other words, Democrats are protecting this rationing “death panel” from future change with a procedural hurdle. You have to ask why they’re so concerned about protecting this particular provision. Could it be because bureaucratic rationing is one important way Democrats want to “bend the cost curve” and keep health care spending down?</p>
<p>The Congressional Budget Office seems to think that such rationing has something to do with cost. In a letter to Harry Reid last week, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf noted (with a number of caveats) that the bill’s calculations call for a reduction in Medicare’s spending rate by about 2 percent in the next two decades, but then he writes the kicker:</p>
<p>“It is unclear whether such a reduction in the growth rate could be achieved, and if so, whether it would be accomplished through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care.”</p>
<p>Though Nancy Pelosi and friends have tried to call “death panels” the “lie of the year,” this type of rationing – what the CBO calls “reduc[ed] access to care” and “diminish[ed] quality of care” – is precisely what I meant when I used that metaphor.</p>
<p>This health care bill is one of the most far-reaching and expensive expansions of the role of government into our lives. We’re talking about putting one-seventh of our economy under the government’s thumb. We’re also talking about something as intimate to our personal well-being as medical care.</p>
<p>This bill is so unpopular that people on the right and the left hate it. So why go through with it? The Senate is planning to vote on this on Christmas Eve. Why the rush? Though we will begin paying for this bill immediately, we will see no benefits for years. (That’s the trick that allowed the CBO to state that the bill won’t grow the deficit for the next ten years.)</p>
<p>The administration’s promises of transparency and bipartisanship have been broken one by one. This entire process has been defined by midnight votes on weekends, closed-door meetings with industry lobbyists, and payoffs to politicians willing to sell their principles for sweetheart deals. Is it any wonder that Americans are so disillusioned with their leaders in Washington?</p>
<p>This is about politics, not health care. Americans don’t want this bill. Americans don’t like this bill. Washington has stopped listening to us. But we’re paying attention, and 2010 is coming. </p>
<p>- Sarah Palin</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Snaps Back</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Snaps Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, my dear. That does make sense. However, George Soros is an important component. What does he get out of it? I don&#039;t think he needs any more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, my dear. That does make sense. However, George Soros is an important component. What does he get out of it? I don&#8217;t think he needs any more money.</p>
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		<title>By: jangles</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288050</link>
		<dc:creator>jangles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the expansion of medicaid become effective right away?  Actually, that could create jobs; expanding community clinic centers could create a huge need for health care workers who are not too skilled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the expansion of medicaid become effective right away?  Actually, that could create jobs; expanding community clinic centers could create a huge need for health care workers who are not too skilled.</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288020</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard Senator Burress&#039; rendition of &quot;The Night Before Christmas&quot; delivered on the Senate floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tWfqpAn2s 

I think I&#039;m going to get sick.

Thanks Blago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard Senator Burress&#8217; rendition of &#8220;The Night Before Christmas&#8221; delivered on the Senate floor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tWfqpAn2s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tWfqpAn2s</a> </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to get sick.</p>
<p>Thanks Blago</p>
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		<title>By: propertius</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288016</link>
		<dc:creator>propertius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It hasn&#039;t been only the Tea Partiers speaking against the bill. PNHP (Physicians for a National Health Program), the folks over at The Confluence and Reclusive Leftist, and especially the folks on Corrente have all opposed this bill for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It hasn&#8217;t been only the Tea Partiers speaking against the bill. PNHP (Physicians for a National Health Program), the folks over at The Confluence and Reclusive Leftist, and especially the folks on Corrente have all opposed this bill for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: propertius</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288013</link>
		<dc:creator>propertius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if anyone but a sitting Senator would have standing to bring a suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if anyone but a sitting Senator would have standing to bring a suit.</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1288009</link>
		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a bad bill is better than no bill at all.&quot;

Bots are left with this ridiculous rationalization of the bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a bad bill is better than no bill at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bots are left with this ridiculous rationalization of the bill!</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary or Bust</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1287994</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary or Bust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because it will provide guaranteed insurability and cover another 30 million people.&quot;

It is NOT &quot;covering&quot; another 30 million people. A mandate is NOT coverage. It is fascism.

*I* am one of those 30 million and I do NOT want to be forced to buy health insurance. Let me tell you, I can&#039;t afford it, and all that will happen is that I will pay a penalty and STILL have no insurance.

Wake up! This is health care fascism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because it will provide guaranteed insurability and cover another 30 million people.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is NOT &#8220;covering&#8221; another 30 million people. A mandate is NOT coverage. It is fascism.</p>
<p>*I* am one of those 30 million and I do NOT want to be forced to buy health insurance. Let me tell you, I can&#8217;t afford it, and all that will happen is that I will pay a penalty and STILL have no insurance.</p>
<p>Wake up! This is health care fascism!</p>
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		<title>By: J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1287991</link>
		<dc:creator>J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retired, you are on the mark, but let me suggest a slight  modification.

&quot;From each according to what we consider to be fair,irregardless of their ability to pay.

To each according to what we consider to be fair, taking into account the relative clout of their voting block&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retired, you are on the mark, but let me suggest a slight  modification.</p>
<p>&#8220;From each according to what we consider to be fair,irregardless of their ability to pay.</p>
<p>To each according to what we consider to be fair, taking into account the relative clout of their voting block&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1287988</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The network of checks and balances, and Constitutional restraints are being dismantled so rapidly by one party fiat, there may not even be a Supreme Court by the time a challenge could reach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The network of checks and balances, and Constitutional restraints are being dismantled so rapidly by one party fiat, there may not even be a Supreme Court by the time a challenge could reach it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Real HC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1287987</link>
		<dc:creator>The Real HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Increase the size and scope of the state at any cost. 

Attach as many large businesses and large  unions to the state to feed it votes and money.

Play one political faction off against another and if that starts to fail, invent fake crises to keep the masses in line.

Feed at the trough with your cronies for as long as possible.

Most countries run this way. America is just a late arrival. 

Welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Increase the size and scope of the state at any cost. </p>
<p>Attach as many large businesses and large  unions to the state to feed it votes and money.</p>
<p>Play one political faction off against another and if that starts to fail, invent fake crises to keep the masses in line.</p>
<p>Feed at the trough with your cronies for as long as possible.</p>
<p>Most countries run this way. America is just a late arrival. </p>
<p>Welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: donjo</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/38949/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-1287984</link>
		<dc:creator>donjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it pitchfork time yet?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. &lt;strong&gt;That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. &lt;/strong&gt;Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. &lt;strong&gt;But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.&lt;/strong&gt; --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it pitchfork time yet?</p>
<p>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. <strong>That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. </strong>Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. <strong>But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.</strong> &#8211;Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.</p>
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