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		<title>By: brandon alan kough</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-656714</link>
		<dc:creator>brandon alan kough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am grey matter an actual humanbeing</description>
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		<title>By: JKFriz</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-513207</link>
		<dc:creator>JKFriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great.  Just because something jibes with your preconceptions doesn&#039;t necessarily make it true.</description>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-513121</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During my childhood everyone half-expected global thermonuclear war.  We half-expected it to start on any perfectly normal day.  We had fully-stocked fallout shelters in public buildings, back yards and basements across America.  There&#039;s an abandoned underground Nike missile silo a couple of miles from where I&#039;m currently sitting.  Elementary school kids knew what to do the instant they saw a brilliant flash.  It was drilled into our little heads.  We had nightmares of blinding flashes and mushroom clouds.  

Times have changed.  I no longer worry so much global thermonuclear war.  Other things have have taken its place.  Global overpopulation leading to catastrophic ecological collapse seems like a far more likely possibility.  An unstoppable, genetically modified virus tops the list.  With computer controlled gene sequencing, that&#039;s the global terror weapon of the near future.  Unfortunately it doesn&#039;t take access to hard-to-obtain fissionable materials or billion-dollar industrial-scale laboratories.  It doesn&#039;t even require a nation-state as a sponsor.  

It would be far better if states like Iran and North Korea had no nukes.  But we&#039;ve got other threats to worry about that require closer attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During my childhood everyone half-expected global thermonuclear war.  We half-expected it to start on any perfectly normal day.  We had fully-stocked fallout shelters in public buildings, back yards and basements across America.  There&#8217;s an abandoned underground Nike missile silo a couple of miles from where I&#8217;m currently sitting.  Elementary school kids knew what to do the instant they saw a brilliant flash.  It was drilled into our little heads.  We had nightmares of blinding flashes and mushroom clouds.  </p>
<p>Times have changed.  I no longer worry so much global thermonuclear war.  Other things have have taken its place.  Global overpopulation leading to catastrophic ecological collapse seems like a far more likely possibility.  An unstoppable, genetically modified virus tops the list.  With computer controlled gene sequencing, that&#8217;s the global terror weapon of the near future.  Unfortunately it doesn&#8217;t take access to hard-to-obtain fissionable materials or billion-dollar industrial-scale laboratories.  It doesn&#8217;t even require a nation-state as a sponsor.  </p>
<p>It would be far better if states like Iran and North Korea had no nukes.  But we&#8217;ve got other threats to worry about that require closer attention.</p>
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		<title>By: bemused</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512591</link>
		<dc:creator>bemused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they could in fact get off a crippling electromagnetic pulse, our ability to respond would be very small. That&#039;s the point that has been feared for years, a high altitude EMP would totally cripple electronics. On or off, the equipment would be shorted out, not to reboot ever. How do you think the planes and missles we have are going to deliver without electronics? It would be a way to take over the world with one bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they could in fact get off a crippling electromagnetic pulse, our ability to respond would be very small. That&#8217;s the point that has been feared for years, a high altitude EMP would totally cripple electronics. On or off, the equipment would be shorted out, not to reboot ever. How do you think the planes and missles we have are going to deliver without electronics? It would be a way to take over the world with one bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: CountryFirst</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512547</link>
		<dc:creator>CountryFirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given BOs propensity for controlling the information that the media has about him, it was easy to believe that handing out the prayer prior to going to the wall was true - modus operandi, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given BOs propensity for controlling the information that the media has about him, it was easy to believe that handing out the prayer prior to going to the wall was true &#8211; modus operandi, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: CountryFirst</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512533</link>
		<dc:creator>CountryFirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a link for this because it was emailed to me earlier today, so I&#039;ll just copy and paste:

Check, Please
By JAMES TARANTO
July 30, 2008

One of the most appealing features of the Barack Obama candidacy is the idea that Obama is &quot;postracial&quot;--that he is a candidate who is black and does not practice the adversarial politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. This is why his 20-year association with the racist anti-American crackpot Jeremiah Wright was potentially so damaging to him, and why Jesse Jackson&#039;s lurid fantasies of sexually mutilating Obama were such a great stroke of luck for the candidate.

But a story in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin raises serious questions about Obama&#039;s postracialism. The paper describes an Obama appearance at Unity &#039;08, &quot;a convention of four minority journalism associations&quot;:

    &quot;I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged,&quot; the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

    &quot;I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it&#039;s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.&quot;

Exactly what Obama is advocating here cannot be determined, but it seems to be something of an endorsement of the idea of &quot;reparations for slavery,&quot; which is usually taken to mean cash payments. In this view, the following deeds are insufficient to balance the ledger between America and the descendants of slaves: the Civil War, the ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the continuing practice of racial preferences.

The idea of reparations is highly unpopular, and with good reason. Unlike the Japanese-Americans who in 1988 received compensation for their internment by a Democratic administration in the grips of wartime hysteria, no one alive today has ever been a slave. The idea of the government cutting checks to compensate people for a wrong that they did not personally suffer is unlikely to appeal to anyone except perhaps those who stand to receive those checks.

The politics of this are rather odd. There is little for Obama to gain by endorsing reparations. If ever there was a candidate who has no need to pander to the descendants of slaves, it is Barack Obama. Democratic presidential candidates can usually count on upward of 90% of the black vote, and Obama racked up similar percentages in a hard-fought primary battle.

On the other hand, in order to attract votes among nonblacks, Obama needs to guard carefully his postracial credentials. It&#039;s one thing to endorse racial preferences, a conventionally liberal if unpopular view. But reparations remains a fringe idea--the sort of idea a presidential nominee would normally be careful to stay away from.

The Star-Bulletin report also calls attention to an anomaly in the culture of American journalism:

    When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama. . . .

    Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.

Normally, journalists are expected to adopt a professional attitude of detachment. After 9/11, some journalists even criticized colleagues who wore American flag pins, which the former saw as an unacceptable display of nationalism. Yet few openly object to the notion that &quot;minority&quot; journalists--Unity is a coalition of the Asian American Journalists Association, the National Association of Black Journalists, the National Association of Hispanic Journalists and the Native American Journalists Association--are advocates on behalf of their racial or ethnic group. Would a politician get a standing ovation at a convention of the Society of Professional Journalists or some other nonethnic organization of journalists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a link for this because it was emailed to me earlier today, so I&#8217;ll just copy and paste:</p>
<p>Check, Please<br />
By JAMES TARANTO<br />
July 30, 2008</p>
<p>One of the most appealing features of the Barack Obama candidacy is the idea that Obama is &#8220;postracial&#8221;&#8211;that he is a candidate who is black and does not practice the adversarial politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. This is why his 20-year association with the racist anti-American crackpot Jeremiah Wright was potentially so damaging to him, and why Jesse Jackson&#8217;s lurid fantasies of sexually mutilating Obama were such a great stroke of luck for the candidate.</p>
<p>But a story in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin raises serious questions about Obama&#8217;s postracialism. The paper describes an Obama appearance at Unity &#8217;08, &#8220;a convention of four minority journalism associations&#8221;:</p>
<p>    &#8220;I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged,&#8221; the Democratic presidential hopeful said.</p>
<p>    &#8220;I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it&#8217;s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly what Obama is advocating here cannot be determined, but it seems to be something of an endorsement of the idea of &#8220;reparations for slavery,&#8221; which is usually taken to mean cash payments. In this view, the following deeds are insufficient to balance the ledger between America and the descendants of slaves: the Civil War, the ratification of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the continuing practice of racial preferences.</p>
<p>The idea of reparations is highly unpopular, and with good reason. Unlike the Japanese-Americans who in 1988 received compensation for their internment by a Democratic administration in the grips of wartime hysteria, no one alive today has ever been a slave. The idea of the government cutting checks to compensate people for a wrong that they did not personally suffer is unlikely to appeal to anyone except perhaps those who stand to receive those checks.</p>
<p>The politics of this are rather odd. There is little for Obama to gain by endorsing reparations. If ever there was a candidate who has no need to pander to the descendants of slaves, it is Barack Obama. Democratic presidential candidates can usually count on upward of 90% of the black vote, and Obama racked up similar percentages in a hard-fought primary battle.</p>
<p>On the other hand, in order to attract votes among nonblacks, Obama needs to guard carefully his postracial credentials. It&#8217;s one thing to endorse racial preferences, a conventionally liberal if unpopular view. But reparations remains a fringe idea&#8211;the sort of idea a presidential nominee would normally be careful to stay away from.</p>
<p>The Star-Bulletin report also calls attention to an anomaly in the culture of American journalism:</p>
<p>    When Obama walked on stage at the McCormick Center, many journalists in the audience leapt to their feet and applauded enthusiastically after being told not to do so. During a two-minute break halfway through the event, which was broadcast live on CNN, journalists ran to the stage to snap photos of Obama. . . .</p>
<p>    Obama, who acknowledged that he needed a nap, stood up to say farewell to the audience of journalists, many of whom gave him another standing ovation.</p>
<p>Normally, journalists are expected to adopt a professional attitude of detachment. After 9/11, some journalists even criticized colleagues who wore American flag pins, which the former saw as an unacceptable display of nationalism. Yet few openly object to the notion that &#8220;minority&#8221; journalists&#8211;Unity is a coalition of the Asian American Journalists Association, the National Association of Black Journalists, the National Association of Hispanic Journalists and the Native American Journalists Association&#8211;are advocates on behalf of their racial or ethnic group. Would a politician get a standing ovation at a convention of the Society of Professional Journalists or some other nonethnic organization of journalists?</p>
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		<title>By: Zee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512323</link>
		<dc:creator>Zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I suppose if Obama grabs a ten foot pole, and gives Rev. Wright, Father Idiot, and Grandma a sturdy poke, he might be able to find room for Ludacris under that bigass old bus of his!&quot;

Is Jay Z gonna get tossed under, too?  Obama&#039;s campaign called Hillary a bitch using his &quot;99 Problems&quot; song at his &quot;victory&quot; party when he and Michelle strolled in.

I guess if so, he&#039;d have to throw himself and his campaign under, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suppose if Obama grabs a ten foot pole, and gives Rev. Wright, Father Idiot, and Grandma a sturdy poke, he might be able to find room for Ludacris under that bigass old bus of his!&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Jay Z gonna get tossed under, too?  Obama&#8217;s campaign called Hillary a bitch using his &#8220;99 Problems&#8221; song at his &#8220;victory&#8221; party when he and Michelle strolled in.</p>
<p>I guess if so, he&#8217;d have to throw himself and his campaign under, too.</p>
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		<title>By: judd</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512255</link>
		<dc:creator>judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:

If your stats on the stock pile of ammo are true, then Hillary is our commander because she is ready to wipe them/IRAN off the map if they attack us or our allies and she must know that we have all we need to do it with in a matter of milli-seconds.

That is called being ready on day ONE!

That is called progressive-experience that is needed in the White House.

That is why Hillary Clinton must be President of the United States of America.

Obama is a slink-fink and failure.

Reality-Iran and the middle east conflicts are going to bite us in the ass and probably before the next president takes office.  

They will attack when our country is divided like it is now and was in 2000 when they attacked on our own soil at the World Trade Centers.

This division is exactly what the enemy of the US wants.  Obama is loving being the divisive figure and worshiped world wide.

DANGER DANGER DANGER is what Obama is..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:</p>
<p>If your stats on the stock pile of ammo are true, then Hillary is our commander because she is ready to wipe them/IRAN off the map if they attack us or our allies and she must know that we have all we need to do it with in a matter of milli-seconds.</p>
<p>That is called being ready on day ONE!</p>
<p>That is called progressive-experience that is needed in the White House.</p>
<p>That is why Hillary Clinton must be President of the United States of America.</p>
<p>Obama is a slink-fink and failure.</p>
<p>Reality-Iran and the middle east conflicts are going to bite us in the ass and probably before the next president takes office.  </p>
<p>They will attack when our country is divided like it is now and was in 2000 when they attacked on our own soil at the World Trade Centers.</p>
<p>This division is exactly what the enemy of the US wants.  Obama is loving being the divisive figure and worshiped world wide.</p>
<p>DANGER DANGER DANGER is what Obama is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: mahaska</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512140</link>
		<dc:creator>mahaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s her best pal from some southern place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s her best pal from some southern place.</p>
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		<title>By: mahaska</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512135</link>
		<dc:creator>mahaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he threatens Jaesse Jackson&#039;s life in the &quot;song&quot; (I use the term loosely). Asks him if he wants it in the head or gut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he threatens Jaesse Jackson&#8217;s life in the &#8220;song&#8221; (I use the term loosely). Asks him if he wants it in the head or gut.</p>
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		<title>By: mahaska</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512129</link>
		<dc:creator>mahaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, hey NW rain, did you feel the earthquake tonight about 10pm? Here on the island it manifested as 2 very sharp jolts. Funny cuz we were just talking about it last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, hey NW rain, did you feel the earthquake tonight about 10pm? Here on the island it manifested as 2 very sharp jolts. Funny cuz we were just talking about it last night.</p>
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		<title>By: navyvet48</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512128</link>
		<dc:creator>navyvet48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the writers had the stomach to post anything on the song. I found the lyrics revolting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the writers had the stomach to post anything on the song. I found the lyrics revolting!</p>
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		<title>By: Northwest rain</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-512125</link>
		<dc:creator>Northwest rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much would be left of Iran -- this is propaganda -- just like the crap used by bush/cheney etc to justify their invasion of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much would be left of Iran &#8212; this is propaganda &#8212; just like the crap used by bush/cheney etc to justify their invasion of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-511998</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The United States currently has around 3,575 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads; about 1,260 additional warheads held in the inactive stockpile.  We&#039;ve got land and submarine based ICBMs ready to lauch.  We&#039;ve got nuke-capable cruise missiles.  We&#039;ve got around 70 B-1 bombers, 16 B-2 bombers, and 44 B-52 bombers ready to fly.  

What do you suppose would happen if Iran got a couple of shots off in our direction?  What do you suppose would happen if we even &lt;em&gt;suspected&lt;/em&gt; they were about to do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The United States currently has around 3,575 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads; about 1,260 additional warheads held in the inactive stockpile.  We&#8217;ve got land and submarine based ICBMs ready to lauch.  We&#8217;ve got nuke-capable cruise missiles.  We&#8217;ve got around 70 B-1 bombers, 16 B-2 bombers, and 44 B-52 bombers ready to fly.  </p>
<p>What do you suppose would happen if Iran got a couple of shots off in our direction?  What do you suppose would happen if we even <em>suspected</em> they were about to do this?</p>
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		<title>By: JKFriz</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3896/evening-open-thread/#comment-511993</link>
		<dc:creator>JKFriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan - still waiting for a retraction on the Ma&#039;ariv accusation, which was trumpeted loudly here in several posts.  

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/07/29/obama-vindicated.aspx

I think the various posts concerned with this issue deserve an update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8211; still waiting for a retraction on the Ma&#8217;ariv accusation, which was trumpeted loudly here in several posts.  </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/07/29/obama-vindicated.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/07/29/obama-vindicated.aspx</a></p>
<p>I think the various posts concerned with this issue deserve an update.</p>
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