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Searching for Someone Who Doesn’t Love Obama In Florida

In the past few weeks, there have been many polls taken, but none seemed to include the Cuban-American Community. The Cuban-American community is a community that lives in exile. Many members of the community have not seen Cuba in 30 years or more.

It seems it takes a Canadian reporter, Alan Abel, to go to Florida to talk to the community. He joined them in a banquet hall, in a Cuban Restaurant. He tells his story in an article, Cuban-Americans sticking by McCain. He sets the scene with descriptions of the meeting place and the number of people in the hall. Abel took a hand count of the number of McCain supporters vs. the number of Obama supporters, 50 for McCain and 2 for Obama.

Abel puts a name and a face on the patrons in the hall:

It is a reunion of a group that calls itself the Municipal Council of the City of Santiago de Cuba in Exile. Santiago is where Fidel and Raúl Castro and 160 other upstarts wearing stolen military uniforms began their revolution on el 26 de Julio, 1953. Almost all the insurgents were killed or captured as they attempted to overrun an army base at six o’clock in the morning. The Castro brothers escaped to the high sierra, only to be surrounded, arrested, tried, convicted, condemned to death, reprieved, imprisoned, pardoned, and freed by the same Cuban government they soon would overthrow.

He captures the conversations of the Cuban exiles in their own words. They talk about Raul (Castro). Here is what they said:

“Did you hear what Raúl said last night in Santiago?” an architect and contractor named José Gonzáles barks at me. The Cuban leader had chosen the scene of the rebels’ original assault for a major policy address and the annual festival of Socialism or Death.

“He said, ‘Compañeros, I have bad news for you – we all must sacrifice even more,’ ” Mr. Gonzáles reports. “Well, that is exactly the same thing that Obama says!

“The left only wants to bring you down,” Mr. Gonzáles announces. “Obama doesn’t want to make everybody rich. When he talks about ‘equality,’ he means that everybody should be equally poor, not equally up.”

Interesting that the Cuban Americans draw such a stark comparison between Obama and Castro. Obama says he will meet with Raul Castro, unconditionally, in a May 23, 2008 speech.

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This group of exiles wasn’t finished with Obama yet. This is one man’s view on Obama’s hope:

“We don’t need that kind of change,” another man named Felipe Fontanills agrees. “Fidel Castro achieved that already!”

Abel captured more opinions on Obama from these exiles. Again they are very telling words.

Señor Fontanills, another successful Miami architect, is just getting started.

“Read Fidel Castro’s speeches!” he commands me. “He is a much better speaker than Obama. In Germany, Obama was talking about the ‘unity of the world.’ This idea that we’re all equal, it’s bull—t – you cannot accomplish that.

Senor Fontanills had this to say about Obama’s words in Germany, offering a bit of advice even.

“Only a religious leader should use those words, because we are all equal in the sight of God. But in every human society, there is a nucleus of leaders who move the society forward. The promise of equality is a false promise. It is manipulation of human opinion!”

Mr. Abel asked the people gathered in this hall why they liked McCain and not Obama. It seems our Cuban American friends have a strong opinion on the candidates.

“Why do you like John McCain?” I ask the Cubans.

“When you have two pieces of

s–t,” one of them replies, “you pick up the one that stinks the least.”

In essence they are picking the lesser of two evils. It made me a take pause, I wonder if Hillary was their true choice. But possibly not as one Cuban American woman had this to say:

“When you come over here, it’s like the other Cubans force you to be Republican,” she says. “It’s still because of Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.”

That was el 17 de Abril, 1961 – the botched liberation of the island by four boatloads of anti-Castro fighters. The young president John F. Kennedy had denied the invaders American air support on the grounds of “plausible deniability.”

In the end the talk turned to Obama’s lack of qualifications. They listed them as “too inexperienced, weak and young”. On McCain, they grudgingly accept him as the only other choice.

They leave with a question. A question that many have been asking for sometime now.

“For such a large country, can these really be the only two men for president?” Mr. Gonzáles wonders.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    Castro’s refugee army tends to vote Republican. And they aren’t too fond of AA’s either.

  • Sharon

    A little OT, but I was in Santa Barbara today – latte librul country – and saw 2 bumper stickers that said:

    “Hispanics for McCain”

    I LOVED IT because not only are there hispanics in this area NOT voting for “The One,” they’re ADVERTISING IT!

    I’m thinking maybe barky’s notion that he’s got the hispanic vote all locked up is just another one of his fairytales…

  • Donkey Brazziere

    I’m sure the whole 1/2 vote thingy pissed them off too.

  • RepublicanChick

    I know many in the Cuban American community that wouldn’t vote for a Democrat if their life depended on it. Think of the Jewish and Black vote with Democrats and go from there.

    I actually saw this article thanks to my Obama loving neighbor. She was disgusted that people in the Cuban American community would vote for Republicans by a large percentage.

    Insert: Pot calling the kettle black!

    I personally can understand the lack of fondness with African Americans. Most of my neighbors are very nice people and I enjoy them, but when it comes to anything black or dealing with racial injustices–it’s all about being black. Again, only blacks suffer in this country. The rest of us are only a figment of someone else’s imagination.

    Which is why Obama is so important to many blacks in this country. It’s almost like America’s comeuppance with Obama as President. When he loses, I’m not sure how I’ll celebrate the destruction of their messiah.

    When the Latino population overtakes the black population, I’m curious to see what happens to race relations in this country.

  • LilRod

    I am a Cuban American…born within a few miles where Castro’s family is from.
    We Cubans are a heterogeneous people..people with European and African background…and every mixture thereof.
    There is an incredible myth about our exile community..the far left has attempted to brand us racist..when many of our heroes are of African extraction..and many of our familes are of mixed heritage.
    The history is complex..AND NOT AS DAMN SIMPLE as some in the far left wish to portray.
    I have been a Democrat since before I became a citizen in 1972. Became involved in civil rights when I came to this country through the southern states and was witness to segragation.
    The history is long..but unfortunately..I don’t have the time tonight to expand.

    This IS the greatest country for a freedom loving citizen…DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE..learn HISTORY..and THUS..you will LEARN THE TRUTH.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    This does not surprise me. My family owned a home for decades in southern florida, I just sold it two years ago. I know MANY Cubans and have kept in touch with a number of them. Every Cuban I know thinks Obama is a dangerous fool.

    Cubans are a marvelous people. They don’t mince words for the sake of museum. They say what they see. You want an opinion, don’t ask a Cuban unless you want the truth. And they LOVE Hillary.

    Someone else mentioned that many Hispanics do not like AAs. I think that should be qualified. The thing is, AAs treat many hispanics the way AAs say white people treat them. It’s as if they do not want another minority hanging around taking their steam. And that is why the fondness does not exist. At least that is how the hispanics I know see it.

  • Indie

    I am predicting Barack Obama will name HRC as VP if his poll numbers continue to show that his lead in the women vote is less than 5. HRC is the only person who can save that ticket. Most of us know that he cannot win without her. Frankly, I am hoping he picks someone else as his VP so she can run in 2012 and clobber her opponents. Obama will make her do all the work and he will get all the credit. The Cenrtist and conservative demcorats need to take back the DNC. The far leftist radicals have too much influence on the DNC.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Oh and one more thing. Telling a Cuban you want to sit down and Chat with Castro is like putting a knife in their hearts. Obama, you idiot.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    I still will not vote for him. I am not an idiot. I know the difference between a president and a vice president. And I do not trust Obama with my country or my life.

  • not this time

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but I live in South Florida and Barack Obama is extremely popular here. In Weston(extremely wealthy city), which is 65% Hispanic they held a huge event just last night from 6pm-9pm. There were 600 people there and 450 of them were hispanic…

    Hispanics for McCain…sorry but that dog won’t bite

  • not this time

    Hispanics are ALREADY the number one minority in the Country…Boy you guys are misinformed

  • fred

    Obama is in deep trouble hes been losing 1% point a day and its only August. He decided today he would only do 3 debates against McCain no townhalls, the man is scared of debates. If he continues to implode he will ask Hillary to be his VP to try abd save his dumb ass, she’s said NO twice

  • 935 Lies

    Get the same results, do we, in Miami, Perrine, Coral Gables, Kendall? Anyplace in Broward EAST of the Turnpike and South of the Palm Beach County line?

    As Goes Weston, So Goes “Fluba” is fairly specious claim and a big reach.

  • RepublicanChick

    Hispanics compose about 45.5 million versus blacks that have 40.7 million.

    Are they also including the estimated 6 million or more that are illegally in this country?

  • Freedom Fighter

    I see about 70% whites on TV, about 25% African Americans, and the rest fill the remaining 5%. If hispanics were truly the largest minority, you’d expect to see more of them on TV. You must be mistaken about hispanics being the largest minority.

  • RepublicanChick

    The thing is, AAs treat many hispanics the way AAs say white people treat them. It’s as if they do not want another minority hanging around taking their steam. And that is why the fondness does not exist.

    Exactly! Those blacks that do not subscribe that they’re the only minorities in this country are the ones not voting for Obama.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Didn’t so recent poll show Obama with about 70% of the hispanic vote? Maybe the Cubans are more likely to vote for a Repub, but Cubans are a small segment of hispanics.

  • 935 Lies

    >>> “I’m not sure how I’ll celebrate the destruction of their messiah.”

    Chicken wings? Malt liquor? Blacksploitation film festival? (“Godzilla Meets Shaft!”, “Shaka Zulu”, “Slaughter”) Quiet night in the loo with old National Geographics?

    I, personally, plan to read some collected quotes from Adam Clayton Powell, study my new book on Situation Ethics by Patty Hearst and spin some old Lou Rawls and Les McCann, LTD vinyl.

  • angie

    Obamabots who always mention others being “not fond of AAs” only expose their own innate racism. As Freud once said “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” That is, people who don’t like Obama don’t like him for a plethora of reasons — he’s a liar, he is inexperienced, and his is full of hubris — it isn’t because they are racist.

  • not this time

    If you weren’t so pathetic you would be funny. When he came to Sunrise in May, of the 20000 people I had the pleasure of standing in line with about 40% of them were hispanic….He is going to get the hispanic vote…..

    Viva Obama!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Obama will lose both Florida and Ohio if he is nominated, and I’m not sure either state would be close.

  • not this time

    I hope you are kidding….

  • RepublicanChick

    Actually, in my neighborhood it would be collared greens (sorry, won’t touch the stuff..ugh!).

    If it wasn’t for the fact they keep telling everyone that he’s THE ONE, I’d be more sympathetic. Enough Obama already! We’re sick to death of hearing about him and his promises.

    And here’s something else from Obama this evening:

    He says he opposes slave reparations.

    Link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080802/D92A5GCG0.html

  • not this time

    Earth to “Paul on Mars” He is the NOMINEE…there is no miracle to save you, HRC is BROKE and is officially IRREVELENT!!!

  • bemused

    But what you see on TV is not a fair sample. Hispanics are underrepresented. Also, depends on how you define “Hispanic” because in some circumstances just a name alone has been a basis. Also, Hispanic does not automatically mean either dark or with Indian features.

  • RepublicanChick

    McCain continues to reach out to the La Raza crowd and the majority of them will vote Democrat. Cuban Americans are a small segement of the Hispanic community. With the GOP, I doubt they’ll win too many Mexican American votes due to the constant fight against illegal immigration.

  • steven Mather

    I think the defeat will be a muted celebration of democracy. It will be muted because his candidacy is a manifestation of opportunities lost. Sadly, one of the lost opportunities is the Obama that could have been, after he gained his chops in the senate. He was right, when he knew he was too inexperienced. Unfortunately, he was deceived otherwise, by the Brazile cabal.

  • HARP

    Take your meds and go to bed.

  • Sharon

    And all you “Floridians” were just fine with being defrauded out of your VOTE, were you?

    Gosh – what a good little sport you are, bot! You’re just the type that barky likes – stupid, weak, compliant victims who know nothing, care nothing about DEMOCRACY, just the type who, when bambi says “jump,” you ask “how high?”

    I really have no use for worthless idiots like you…

  • RepublicanChick

    If and when it happens at the convention, then you’ll have something to say. With the aggravation of Americans with the messiah, I wouldn’t take that to the bank yet.

  • 935 Lies

    >>> but Cubans are a small segment of hispanics.

    But a BIG piece of those people guaran-damn-TEED to show up at the polls, in Florida, and in the most populous counties.

    Despite the fact that Florida is a place which you may regard as bucolic and a nice warm spot for your parents to retire to, be advised that it is the FOURTH most populous state, with a big bunch of electoral votes.

    The Cuban vote in California might be statistically insignificant, but please be aware that running for Mayor of Miami requires a strong Foreign Policy position.

    Cubans, Nicaraguans, Guatelamans, Salvadorenos and Mexicans are different people, and not monolithic.

    Not even their Spanish is uniform.

    That sing-song Puerto Rican Spanish you learned at Commie Martyrs High School could get you thrown out when you try to order a meal with it in LA.

  • cdo

    I can hardly wait for Obama’s Olympic ad blitz. 5 million dollars worth of homage to The One, its gonna be awesome.
    What are the chance team GOP already has a response?
    I hope its as funny as the Paris Hilton ad, that was some inspired tongue and cheek!

  • steven Mather

    Good link. Fair to all concerned. Apparently, your Republicanness has not entirely contaminated your neural network. Given that there is no one older than a young conservative, perhaps there is hope that a Republican chick can transform into a glorious progressive eagle. : )

  • http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

    Yes Yes Yes….if you don’t want Obama its because you are racist…yawn…we have been hearing it for months.

    Sorry the Racebait isn’t going to work.

  • steven Mather

    You must be a Republican troll because even Obamabots are bright enough to know not to post such weak synaptic arcings here.

  • kinthenorthwest

    I have lived in two large metropolitan areas that had a large percentage of Hispanics and Blacks.
    Even among the well educated Hispanics and Blacks there seemed to be problems.
    Among Blacks and Hispanics in the lower income brackets there was huge animosity; more so than against any other race.
    In LA there are huge gang problems between Hispanic gangs and Black gangs.
    For some reason I do not see Hispanics just blindly supporting Obama.
    Just My Two Cents

  • http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Jeremiah God Damn AmeriKKKa Wright

    I am sure he will replace atleast one if not more of the olympic rings with the Obama symbol.

  • Sharon

    It’s Hillary’s choice – NOT barky’s.

    If he ASKS her, it better be NICELY and it better be RESPECTFULLY. And I hope with all my heart she smiles and tells him to GO FLOCK HIMSELF! Then I want to hear that famous Hillary laugh! LOL!

    I will not vote for bambi under any circumstances – I just hope Hillary doesn’t force me to vote against her by agreeing to such a ridiculous thing as running for second in command behind that ridiculous, unqualified, arrogant, crooked, megalomaniacal, stupid jerk.

  • maq

    Paul let me explain. HRC has access to my wallet and Obimbo does-not. She is not broke because she has access to maybe 18 million more purses and wallets.

    It is whispered online that the DNC and Obimbo are experiencing the shrinking dollar. Why don’t you thank me; I also stopped sending $$$ to the DNC and never ever sent any $$ to Obimbo.

  • 935 Lies

    I think he should pick Caroline Kennedy for his VP.

    The Camelot dead-enders, the Kennedy-worshippers, the feminists of convenience (“ANY woman but Hillary!” types), the rich celebrity worshippers…everybody gets a piece of the fun.

    If being on the same dais with the fool doesn’t nauseate her, then nothing will make her hurl…

    Besides, the headlines on The National Cheeseball would give me something entertaining to read while waiting for the old retiree in front of me at the market to use his foodstamps to buy private-label vodka.

  • RepublicanChick

    For a chick that has gotten bored with the continual bashing of McCain at Free Republic, anything can happen. I don’t believe I’ll ever become a “glorious progressive eagle”, but I’m so ticked at my own party I could scream.

    By the way, great call this evening. I enjoyed hearing your discussion.

  • Sharon

    He is the NOMINEE…there is no miracle to save you

    If you and barky believed in any way he was a slam dunk, you wouldn’t be here, bot. Period.

    You’re scared. You’re plain scared he’s gonna get run out of town on a rail – as he should be.

    The more you bot trolls show up here saying stupid crap like that, the more fun it is for us to watch you sweat.

    And you are sweating, bot – profusely.

  • Bell’Artista

    I agree with everything you wrote Uppity Woman 100%

    I do not trust Obama with my country, my life, my arugula or my gas prices or my freedom.

    Obama is a woos and a wimp and the biggest mistake that was ever foisted on the American public.

    Never Ever E V E R will I vote for him.

    Un Grosso Ciao!

  • ohio

    Hey not this time, are you the same “not this time” that was over on McCain’s site race baiting this afternoon?

    Hey Guys and gals, this “not this time” troll was over at the McCain site today starting trouble and race baiting. He got his arse spanked and put to bed. So yes, Barky’s scared. He’s getting his bots to do his dirty work again.

  • QUEENIE

    not my family of hispanic votes..no way no how!

  • rachel

    there goes the aa vote

  • rachel

    obama says no to reparations…. oops, there goes the AA vote

  • cathnealon

    not this time
    Interesting choice of words “irrelevant” didn’t Ludicrus just use that in his rap song that your boss (or rather his henchman) just denounced as shameful.Thank god she’s irrelevant to the Marxist, she needs to stay away as far away from that disaster as possible. Axelrod and BO rpobably co wrote the lyrics to get the AA community all fired up. That sleaze is the biggest racist ever.

  • Patti

    Earth to “Paul on Mars” He is the NOMINEE…there is no miracle to save you, HRC is BROKE and is officially IRREVELENT</blockquote

    I guess using caps makes it so… Get a clue.. Irrevelent is the drivel you type.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/puma/ kat in your hat

    kinthenorthwest, I agree.

  • QUEENIE

    oh and we are Florida and Calif voters!!

  • QUEENIE

    you bet it did!

    nobama..

    Puma

  • kgirl1028

    Yup they over took us AA back in 2005. That’s why it ticks me of the large minorities of african americans turned on the clintons. Racist or not people saw that. Neither of the clintons said or did anything that could be construde as racist, just like McCain hasn’t. Politicans like loyalty, if you turn on people like that they are not going to seek your vote any longer. I just hope they manage to unwedge their heads from obama’s backside before it’s to late. Especially since the other day he pretty much told us, i don’t care if you are stupidly loyal, i have other things to worry about than black people and if you don’t like it vote for someone else. If he hadn’t uhhh and ahhh so bad, i might have want to slap the taste out of his mouth. I’ve know obama was arrogent since he stated his unexperienced behind was not running for vice president as if that was an insult or something. I just never thought he would be stupid enough to drink his own Koolaid. i just hope AA wake up before we don’t have any friends. I am so glad that at least a hand full of people are willing to decline obama’s race card.

  • Babs

    I never realized the tension that exists in my own community between blacks and Hispanics until a friend of mine at work, who owns several rental properties in the inner city, told me that when he interviews a prospective black tenant, the first question they always ask is “Is this a Hispanic neighborhood?” I have heard, of course, of the gang rivalries between the two groups, but never knew that the tension, and can I even say bigotry, existed on such a level as my friend described to me. Will it make a difference in the Hispanic vote for Obama? Many only the Hispanics among us can answer that.

  • amirosa

    I live in South Florida (Miami-Dade County). I am Hispanic and have always been a loyal Democrat. Not this year. I could not under any circumstances, support Candidate Obama after the way he “won” the nomination–Did all forget Florida and Michigan, and the DNC rules committee fiasco? and how about all the flip flops Mr. Obama has been doing lately. Like me, there are many Hispanic that will not fall in line. As to the Cuban community,traditionally the majority vote Republican. However, I know of a many that originally were willing to give Candidate Obama some thought, but day by day have been growing disenchanted by the “fairy tale”. I hope many more wake up from that “spell” before it is too late. Put in other words, John McCain is not George Bush and Barak Obama is not Jack Kennedy, however, Barak Obama is like Bush only in different clothes.

  • Clinton Fan

    Yep, she needs to schedule some minor surgery that will make it impossible for her to accept…gallbladder, maybe, or get a case of appendicitis…anything to stay the hell off that ticket.

    The naming of Patti Solis Doyle as the Presidential Rat Fink and Vice Presidential Tattle Tale er, I mean, Assistant to the VP pretty much painted HRC out of the position…but then, Backtrack Who’s Vain Obama is so used to flipping and flopping, he could shove Patti under the bus if he had to…most people don’t know or care who the fuck she is, anyway…all she was for BHO was a “symbol” of how he was gonna fuck over Clinton.

    He loves that “symbol shit” doesn’t he?

  • http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/ timepassages
  • Clinton Fan

    I shut the DNC off too…and my local, tritorous delegation who chose to back Obama even though Clinton handily won the state.

    I’m through with all of them–I’ll never fall for their line of bullshit again, either. When they call, asking for money, time, help, why, I fart in their general direction.

    They define “craven.” They’ve lost me, and most people I know, as well.

  • kgirl1028

    Any person with moderate intelligence could tell you a Obama is a marvelous fool. Infact i think that’s why everyone in the middle east is so gun ho about electing him. One thing obama has shown people is that he CANNOT THINK WHEN CONFRONTED. The way he reacted in his last hillary clinton debate in PA and at his speach in florida when a black person asked him a question shows that if obama had been reading MY PET GOAT with the 2nd graders he would have set in that class room as well looking shocked.

    obama is not good and improv, and terrorists sponsors he and Michelle dine with probably know this and have passed along his arrogence to the people at home. Obama tries so hard to be open he doesn’t realize some people are sociopaths and are sizing you up for there own benifit. He’s like most americans he can’t conceive that people on the other side of the world have been playing this game since dawn of civilization, probably because they gave birth to it. This is Persia, Assyrians, we are talking about, these people were fighting wars while Europeans were drawing pictures on cave walls. Building pyramids that people still don’t know how to put them together. The first king of Saudi Arabia was so super bad he put to gether a passy, a couple of camels, and swords and put to gether a nation just in the last century. You don’t play with people like that. They will eat you alive and laugh at you while they do it.

  • QUEENIE

    http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/News-Research/NewVoters/Ethnicity.html

    Ethnic Breakdown of Citizenry and Ethnic Voter Participation

    snip:

    The influx of immigrants into the United States in recent years has altered the ethnic and racial makeup of every state in the union. Some states have been more affected by foreign migration than others. Table 1 documents the ethnic breakdown of each state and of the nation as a whole. Although all states have been touched by the influx of immigrants into the country, those states that play an important role in elections have been disproportionately affected. For example, the percentage of Hispanics or Latinos residing in the electorally important states of California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and Texas exceeds the percentage of Hispanics or Latinos at the national level (12.5%). In some instances, the difference is dramatic – over 30% of the population in both California and Texas is Hispanic or Latino. The political importance of Latinos is highlighted in Tables 2 and 3. These tables indicate that the largest Latino cities and counties are located in states rich in electoral college votes – Texas, California, Florida, and Illinois. The projected population growth of Latinos documented in Table 4 demonstrates that Latinos are the dominant minority group.

    The effects of immigration on voting behavior are of particular interest to observers of elections. To what extent do members of the minority and immigrant community take part in politics? Traditionally, voter turnout among minorities (African Americans and Latinos in particular) has fallen behind participation by whites. It is important to note, however, that ethnicity alone does not account for a lack of participation. When such socioeconomic factors as education and income are controlled for, the racial differences between voters are nonexistent (Verba and Nie 1972; Verba, Schlozman, Brady, and Nie 1993; Verba, Schlozman, and Brady 1995; Leighley and Vedlitz 1999; Schlozman 2002, p. 444). Tables 5 through 8 document participation among the ethnic population. The low rates of voter turnout among Hispanic citizens compared to whites and African Americans are noteworthy. The discrepancies in participation within the Hispanic and Latino community are also of interest. For example, Cuban Americans voted in much higher percentages in 2000 than Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and Central Americans. The reasons behind these differences in voting behavior continue to be the object of study.

  • steven Mather

    Thank you.

    There has been no shortage of good reasons to scream this primary season. It’s startling that so many places that claim to uphold the values of the founders as manifest in the constitution appear to have so little respect for what those values mean in practise. It’s telling that refugees from both the right and the left wing blogs find themselves here.

  • AF catfish

    Some AAs. Let’s not paint with a broad brush, just like Obi calling us typical white people. It sucks to be lumped in and not be an individual.

  • AF catfish

    This has got to be a weird year. I know it’s a weird year for me to be a San Francisco Democrat. It bothers me that the first black president will not be a descendant of slaves, I hope that’s not bad.

  • AF catfish

    HEY – AAs who support Hillary come to this site. Can we not stereotype please?

  • AF catfish

    If he asks her, I hope she bargains for the top spot. If he is veep I could vote for him (and pray NOTHING happens to Hillary, it will still be very tough to vote for this ticket.) If she is veep he will not listen to her, he thinks he knows everything! He thinks we can all get along if he just stays above the fray and compromises with EVERYBODY. He is going to give away states to appease foreign leaders. If he’s president I will have to not read newspapers for four years.

  • AF catfish

    BWAHAHA.

  • Mitty

    That’s really funny, 935.

    When you’ve been around Mexicans for 20 years,

    And first hear the Puerto Rican version of the language, it sure gets your auditory attention, even across a large dining hall.

    I didn’t know what the hell language I had heard when I heard it for the first time.

    Great comment.

    Take Care.

  • james

    And who was responsible for that?

    How about the Florida State House of Representatives and the Florida State Senate who, broke national party rules by setting their primary election date earlier than allowed, even though they were told before they did it what the consequences would be? Is it any coincidence that both houses are controlled by republicans?

    How about the governor of Florida, who hailed the outcome of the vote and signed it into law, even though he knew before he did it what the consequences would be? Is it any coincidence that he’s also a republican?

    People blame the Obama campaign and the DNC rules committee for what happened during the 2008 democratic primaries. They don’t seem to know a deliberate act of republican sabotage when they see one.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Chick, you’ve been great. This republican vs democrat thing has gone too far. It used to be nobody cared what party you were in. Now you would think it’s a religion. That’s nonesense. You are a moderate. I’m a moderate. There is very little that separates us, except that both of us are pissed off at different thieves. lol.

  • vi

    well, my family are hispanic and we have lots of voters registered, and out of the 30 members 1 is voting Obama so he better not bank on the notion he has the Hispanic vote. voting McCain want Hillary but if Obama is all we got, definietly take McCain. Texas latino vote will be for McCain. It is already showing in the communities.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    You read my mind. Besides, all arguments aside, I don’t believe that the only reason AAs support Obama is reparations. I think Vindication is more what they think. Some of them are just being fools, but I do think others see this as an opportunity to view themselves on a level field.

    The AAs I know who are not supporting Obama are on a whole different plane. They are thinking of ramifications of a bad president, rather than black vs. white. At least that’s my perception of it.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    You piss off Cubans, you lose Florida. End of story.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Earth to pissant. After November 4, Barack Obama will be irrelevant. The difference is, Hillary will endure to 2012 and Barky will be a Trivia question.

  • tish

    obama is in bed with all the commys and terriosts..be prepared! his plan is to take this country down..so he can stand with his muslims

  • tish

    The U.S. Senate soon could be debating whether you, your spouse and each of your children – as well as your in-laws, parents, grandparents, neighbors and everyone else in America – each will be spending $2,500 or more to reduce poverty around the world.
    The plan sponsored by Sen.”"Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee for the office of president, is estimated to cost the United States some $845 billion over the coming few years in an effort to raise the standard of living around the globe.

    S.2433 already has been approved in one form by the U.S. House of Representatives, and now has been placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar for pending debate.
    #”WND previously has reported the proposal demands the president develop “and implement” a policy to “cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief” and other programs.
    Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media has published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could “result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States” and would make levels “of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the #”"United Nations.”
    He said the #”"legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion “over and above what the U.S. already spends.”
    The plan passed the House in 2007 “because most members didn’t realize what was in it,” Kincaid reported. “Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require.”
    A recent statement from Obama’s office noted the support offered by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
    “With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces,” Obama said. “It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America’s standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world.
    “Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere,” he continued.
    Another critic, however, has been commentator Glenn Beck, whose critique can be seen here:
    “Not one dime would go to fixing America,” the commentary said.
    Obama has continued to lobby for such massive expenditures on his campaign stops. During an address as recently as last week, he said, “I’ll double our foreign assistance to ama’s $845 billion U.N. plan forwarded to U.S. Senate floor

  • Hussein-NOT!

    Sorry to shit in your hat, but tell everybody Weston is a tiny wealthy little town not representative of South Florida AT ALL, and Hispanics there are mostly Colombian or Venezuelan, this post is about Cuban Americans, big numbers in big Miami, and they don’t care about your arugula-chompin’ Messiah.
    That ‘huge event’ your talking about, that dog won’t bite.
    FUCK OFF!

  • http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

    The FL House and the Gov are Rep majority & Rep. Yes, they would not change the date, but they can do whatever they want.

    The DNC is the only one to blame for FL. There is an exception to breaking the timing rule for good faith. This is because the STATE of FL does not answer to the Mighty DNC. The exception exists for this purpose.

    Instead- the DNC told the world that the State (Democrats) was defiant. DNC also had the burden to prove it and no hearing with an opportunity to be heard was given. A few DNC farts in a closed room decided.

  • http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

    Well, he is the descendent of slave owners from his Duvall line. He is also the victim of private schools and a Harvard Law education.

  • JozefAL

    And yet the DNC which had the WHOLE FUCKING SCHEME EXPLAINED TO THEM still held the Florida Democrats responsible for what the Republicans did.
    When Florida Democrats spoke before the DNC (even knowing the type of shenanigans involved on the part of the GOP in the 2000 election), it didn’t matter to Donna Brazile and her Obama-supporting co-horts. Somehow, Brazile and her people expected the Florida Democratic legislative majority to take action and overturn the Republicans’ ploy. The DNC (at Brazile’s urging) suggested a CAUCUS (surprise, surprise) or nothing.
    So yes, I hold the Obama camp AND his enablers at the DNC responsible for this. Everyone else could see what the GOP did (even those of us who may not be as “well-educated” or “computer-savvy”) but somehow the great “brains” at the DNC couldn’t.

  • http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

    Actually, he was for “reparations” last week when he mentioned a need for action beyond words for AA and Native Americans- he used reparations as an example.

    The recent story explains how he has redefined the word “reparations” in order to say that he never supported reparations.

  • ritamary

    Hispanics are the largest minority and have been for some years now. Amazing how uninformed Obots are.

  • OxyCon

    So basically, these people who lost there country due to the socialist Castro revolution think Obama sounds a little too familiar for their liking.
    That should tell you something right there.

  • tzada

    This Floridian, while not Cuban, loathes Obama

  • anonymous

    I am writing anonymously because I am going to give you my viewpoint from my Hispanic family regarding AAs. My parents were both born in the U.S. and I am of mixed Mexican, Spanish, French heritage. I am very light skinned but I do say I am Mexican when anyone asks my nationality.

    My parents live in San Diego and I grew up there. My many, many uncles/aunts/cousins all live in the Los Angeles/Fort Worth/Dallas area and let me tell you, they are ALL racists and to a certain degree, so are my parents (just not to the extent of my relatives). My parents don’t call black people the “n” word, but my relatives sure do. They’re all Republicans to the hilt. My huge extended family from L.A. through San Diego and the other huge part of them in Texas do not like anyone who is darker than they are. They discriminate by degrees of blackness and since we’re so light skinned, they discriminate against a lot of people.

    Now I’m being honest here in telling you what my Hispanic family is like. I did not grow up in a Hispanic culture in San Diego. I come from an upper middle income family and we didn’t live in a poor neighborhood. We had no Hispanics or AAs in our neighborhood or when I went to school (I am 53).

    On my part, I was a Democrat (until recently) and I know I had never been a racist. I was very liberal and open-minded until this election and I am ashamed to say this, but since this whole sliming of the Clintons took place I feel like now I’m a racist. I hate myself for saying it but I just can’t believe that a whole group of people would vote for someone because they have the same color skin as they do, instead of looking at the qualifications. I hope what I am feeling right now is anger at the AAs and it is something that is going to pass once this election is over but I’m extremely mad at them as a whole and I know it’s not fair, but there it is. Please someone tell me this will pass because I hate my relatives for being the racists they are.

  • http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-dont-trust-bloggers-because-people-lie/ Kelly

    Yes- and the State of FL does not caucus due to disenfranchisement issues. Plus, that was a decision for FL’s AG and it was, again, beyond the control of the Demos. I believe the caucus idea was brought up by the DNC after the primaries were held. Riiight! The rep are now going to help finance a re-vote for the Demos.

    Demos made an amendment- Repubs swatted it down and then the Rep Gov. said in public- I will VETO any legislation to change that date.

    DNC played the FL voters like a bunch of idiots. They figure they will get those votes in the GE.

  • Gi

    “That sing-song Puerto Rican Spanish you learned at Commie Martyrs High School could get you thrown out when you try to order a meal with it in LA.”

    Go to Spain & Puerto Rico and you’ll know who is really speaking the “sing-song Spanish” you are referring to.

  • Yo

    I won’t vote for the ticket if it Hillary on top or bottom if Obama is on it.

    If Hillary is President, Obama in his high reaching arrogance will probably have her knocked off and if she is his VP, she’ll be only be a figurehead. He’ll hate her even more than he does now because he’ll know that if he hadn’t asked her on the ticket he would lose. He would treat her very badly as his VP.

    Hillary, have the sense to say NO DEAL!

    PUMA

  • JozefAL

    With any sort of luck, his Illinois constituents will make sure of his being a trivia question in 2010 when he has to defend his Senate seat, and they all put Janet Jackson’s classic question to him: “What HAVE you done for me lately?”
    (If I were Obama and I lost the Presidency, after conceding the election, my next statement would be an announcement that I would not seek re-election in 2010. I think more than a few potential opponents would crop up in the Democratic primary, and the Republicans would likely find some viable candidates, and every single Obama opponent could use the “What have you done for me lately” theme given Barry’s overall lack of real Senate work. After all, he’d end up spending the bulk of 2010 running an election campaign which wouldn’t allow much time for Senate business.)

  • Yo

    I thought PUMA had helped Hillary pay off her debt. I know they raised 10 million on the July 4th weekend but I know I heard Will Bower of PUMA say that her debt was paid off on something like July 18th. Anyone know?

  • Tristan

    Exactly. These are the people who saw one country destroyed by socialism. I am a Democrat but I’m not a G-D socialist and I know what’s going to happen when you tax anyone with a little earning power and money in the bank and people start to realize that the only way to get ahead is through either corruption or the black market.

  • Ai1een

    What rock band did they have playing and how much free food was offered?

  • TeakwoodKite

    FF needs toget out of the basement. There is a whole world of people beyond the TV set. Geez.

  • Ai1een

    Respectfully, it wasn’t really the Brazile cabal that pushed him forward, it was his own ego…it’s always been about Obama and his EGO. That is why at the age of 46, he’s already put out two books…on HIMSELF. Obama’s entire history shows that he gains a position only to be a stepping stone for an even higher position; it has nothing to do with actually accomplishing anything – this is why he began his “real” run for the Presidency after only serving a little over 100 days in the U.S. Senate. Even Obama’s peers on the Harvard Law Review said he was arrogant and always pushing for higher status w/o actually doing anything.

  • steven Mather

    Fair enough. I agree that they enabled each other.

  • Ai1een

    Here, here Uppity. I’m with you. If Hillary chooses to run with Obama as his VP, then it is her choice. However, my vote is also MY CHOICE and I will NEVER support any ticket with Obama on it. I’m an AMERICAN first and I believe him to be beyond corrupt and dangerous for this country’s future.

  • RepublicanChick

    anonymous:

    Barack Obama and I have more in common than he has with most blacks. Like him, I have been given opportunities because we had white relatives that were extremely generous. Heck! We’ve had more opportunities than many whites in this country.

    Like Barack, I have a lot of relatives overseas and visit them from time to time.

    Like Barack, he doesn’t really look like his white relatives and neither do I only because in my case I was adopted.

    I have never quite had a handle on how Barack was raised outside of being extremely pampered.

    Like you, I have relatives that are just ignorant about certain things. It has more to do with purity of bloodlines than skin color. And these are my “colored” relatives that I’m related to by blood. My purist relatives vote Democrat because it’s the party of minorities.

    I do not have the aggravation of being frustrated with my party because of racial issues. I didn’t join the Republican Party so they could pander to my skin color. I joined because I believed in the ideals and principles that was once proudly the party of Abraham Lincoln.

    My aggravation with the party is the pandering, flip flopping, and absolutely no backbone when it comes to issues they’re supposed to uphold. Although, I’m digressing and that’s a subject for another thread.

    The ninety percent of blacks in America that will vote for Obama may not be voting for him due to their skin color. However, in my neighborhood it makes them feel good that “one of them has risen to such heights”. While I should find this alarming, I don’t because they’ll stick together when it comes to anything dealing with blacks.

    As I said before, some will view Obama as America’s comeuppance. It saddens me they’ll throw away everything they’ve strived and achieved in this country for this contemptible candidate.

    You are obviously aggravated at seeing the majority of blacks turn their back on the Clintons. Even I will concede there was no one that pandered and loved blacks more than Bill Clinton. And in return, the Clintons were accused of being “racists” and all sorts of ridiculous things—from people who should know better.

    If Obama is defeated in November, will blacks come back to vote for Hillary in 4 years? Absolutely.

    One day, maybe someone that looks like me will run for President. He/She will not get a pass because we may share a common ancestry. I will hold them to the same standards I expect of my own party. If they don’t meet those standards, I won’t vote for them.

  • Ai1een

    Uppity – you need to be a writer for Steven Colbert – HILARIOUS!

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    Once again, Obama The One, speaks his great wisdom to the world at large…this time not 200,000 but millons will hear him. And just what does this do for the home front? Nada. And he just blew $5mil to do it.

  • Gi

    The idea that all Hispanics are racist is absurd. We come from different countries and in many cases with a different racial mix. I live in California and the conflict is mostly between Mexicans and African Americans due to gangs,illegal immigration, and jobs. Another reason is the way they are treated by some AAs so it has nothing to do with their skin color.

    In California Hispanic/Latino = illegal

  • 935 Lies

    Not to mention that there are SPanish-only networks (Univision, Telemundo, Azteca) which most of us palefaces wouldn’t watch.

    The number one TV station in the Las Vegas market is, according to a neighbor in the broadcast biz (I haven’t seen the book for the quarter), a Spanish-language station.

  • 935 Lies

    I’m just here for the paella. My family farmed in Cuba, pre-Revolution. Grandad brought a bunch of people out pre-1960 and planted cane south of Lake Okeechobee. Good time to do so, as JFK cut off Cuban sugar imports. (1)

    The first time I opened my whitebread Gringo mouth and ordered a beer in San Antonio, they looked at me like I’d belched in the Confessional, pointing out that they were MUCH bigger on the letter, “s,” than what I was used to hearing.

    In Spain, I was so tongue-wrapped that I just stuck with French.

    (1) I taped every episode of, “Cane,” because A., it was so bad, and B., Any time you get to watch Hector Elizando AND Jimmy Smits is a pretty good day, and C. We ROLL on the floor laughing our asses off at our house, watching them try to grow sugar cane in BROWN (not black) dirt!

    (sigh) If we just had more footage of Wanda de Jesus in her younger days…

  • roseeriter

    Real Americans hate having been sliced and diced and divided now for too many years. The division does feel like its enemy vs enemy – we see it on the congress floor everyday (when They are working).

    Most reasonable Americans are moderate when it comes to governing society- the extreme wings on both sides are practically identical which is odd when one thinks about it, but it’s true.

    I’m an American first and feel no foolish Party Loyalty anymore. Maybe I can thank Obama for at least that.

  • beebop

    Just like a butt to think that AMERICAN TELEVISION is representative of REAL LIFE … if that line of thinking weren’t so pathetic I’d be laughing. No wonder our nation is sinking like a stone.

  • tzada

    Enjoyed your post, very much. Hope you write many others.

  • tzada

    She better have a food taster.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    angie are you inferring that I’m an Obamabot?
    If so I would suggest you look up Comedy Central and get a job there.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    Besides if you were going to go after me on racism, I would think the “Castro’s Refugee Army” would have done it for you.

  • Tuppence 411

    Obots make a big mistake thinking hispanics are one homogenious group. Nobama will not win the Cuban-American vote anywhere, and in FLA it can swing a close election. They hate socialism and can sniff out communist sympathies from 100 paces. They don’t want someone who will “talk” to Castro; they want someone who will bring communism in Cuba to it’s knees.

  • crackObastard

    yeah with stupids like you no wonder!

  • crackObastard

    “The thing is, AAs treat many hispanics the way AAs say white people treat them.”

    And AAs treat women in the same discriminatory way like they say whites treat them. Don’t forget gender discrimination.

  • navyvet48

    Sorry but not all Latinos/Cubans/Hispanics are voting for Obama. The Latinos in some parts of KS aren’t drinking the koolaid and won’t vote for him in the fall.

  • navyvet48

    I actually ate collard greens in GA but never since. Helen had a way with greens never seen since. Hers were the only ones I ate. Boy I could use Helen’s Southern Cooking today. As I said she just had the knack. And her greens always sold out. Shhhh! It was a real secret!

  • navyvet48

    I think it would be wonderful if he picked Kaine. It would be a diss to NOW, NARAL and all the others who raced to support him. He would lose a lot of women….hahaha! And no way would he gain women out of the right! They can see through him!

  • navyvet48

    Don’t be so sure. The Hispanics liked the McCain/Kennedy Immigration Bill. The one that didn’t pass. Obama was very critical of it. This will be remembered in November.

  • Tuppence 411

    Hispanics are not monolithic. The come from many different countries of origin and have many different cultural and political influences. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, and every skin hue in between. There are hispanics that immigrated for economic reasons and those that immigrated for political reasons. There are Catholic hispanics as well as a growing number of Evangelical hispanics. As others pointed out, even dialects are different. Any campaign that lumps them into one group does so at their own peril.

  • BobBlackman

    The US Government, and all recent Presidents have agreed to work toward 0.7% of GDP as foreign aid. In fact, if Bush had not gone towar in Iraq and reduced the reputation of America across the World, his achievement of increasing Foreign Aid and reducing Third World debt would have been better recognized.

  • DAB

    I’m a transplanted non Cuban Northeasterner living in FL and I also deplore Obama. I don’t detect a whole lot of love for “The One” down here.

  • DAB

    Rasmussen shows that only 22% of voters say McCain’s Britney ad was racist while 53% viewed Obama’s dollar bill remark as racist.

  • not this time

    You guys should take some of your energy and spend it with your family and/or friends (assuming you have some)….It is sad that you are wasting so much time with your hate…

    Seriously, what if today was your last day on earth? Do you really want to spend it reviewing Barack Obama’s birth certificate? Pathetic!

  • Catharine

    I live in Florida and I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances. Many of my friends feel the same way. I am hoping that may neighbors in District 19 vote Obama’s buddy Robert Wexler out. Wexler sold us out to protect the interests of his good friend Barack Obama. But then, Wexler doesn’t even live down here so why should he care about the people he “represents” ?

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net Linda

    I’m a (democrat) Floridian who can tell you that in spite of what the republican governor did with the primary, it was Obama who refused to have a privately funded revote because he knew he would loose. Not I, or any other dem I know is voting for Obama. We will give our vote to McCain, the lesser of 2 evils this time around.

  • Sue

    BTW – The Precious One just sent out a letter from him as the DNC & guess what – Florida and Michigan are going to be seated with full votes allowed – you are no longer 1/2 vote people – now who didn’t see that coming?

    noway nobama november -

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HIavxnUHls dgr

    he’ll definitely get the Hispanic Communist vote…

  • mimi

    Color this AA curious about that, too. Latinos are already the majority minority. Fortunately, I’m bilingual.

  • mimi

    Freedom Fighter,

    Turn off the tv, you’re way too gullible. Try reading some facts. Latinos numbers are now larger than AAs.

    BTW, latinos have their own tv stations.

  • mimi

    Obama said that to pander to whites who think he’s too black. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had planted those protesters in order to come off as not being so pro-black.

    But AAs are between a rock and a hard place. He knows a lot of AAs will never vote for McCain, so he can pretty much diss our community openly just to get white votes.

    Hate to break it to him. Some AAs and I’m one have no problem voting for McCain. I would never vote for 0bama. He’s whale shit as far as I’m concerned.

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