Obama Shuts Out Bill Clinton; Dumps Party Unity

Let John Kerry wow them. He picked John Edwards instead of Wes Clark to run with him, boy was THAT an example of great judgement!

I am glad he hasn’t reached out. Bill Clinton doesn’t need to be contaminated by a disturbing piece of filth posing as a poltical messiah. It is the correct and graceful thing to do of course, to ask a two-term president for assistance and guidance. But fuck that. Fuck Obama and his two-timing, ill conceived ways. I personally want both Clintons to stay the hell away from Obama and his toxic garbage.

Obama can hardly turn to Bill now that he’s framed Bill as a terrible president who brought no change to America. His best bet for help from a president is to call Ronald Reagan, but…

Obama can hardly turn to Bill now that he’s framed Bill as a terrible president who brought no change to America. His best bet for help from a president is to call Ronald Reagan, but…

Over a confluence a young 18 year old wrote an beautiful piece on Bill Clinton.
This young lady gives me hope for the future.

Backtrack barak is so afraid of Bill Clinton that he would break all speed records running away from any kind of gathering.
Look at the difference one is brillant and loves this country.
The other is a chicago shill with an inflated ego.

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In our view, it is better for the Clintons to stay out of the limelight. Hillary has too much class and Bill is too bossy. Obama should continue to do what he is doing- absolutely nothing! I believe this error of his in letting the full delegate count of Florida and Michigan might back fire- unless he has already spoken to the Clintons about it and Hillary has secretly decided to leave her name off the ballot. We hope not…..since so many supporters are still wishing for a miracle at the convention, but, unity is what I believe they have bought into from looking at the situation. She caved in to the absence of her name ON THE BALLOT and he will pay her debt and they both will unite the party—YEAH—RIGHT—SOME PIPE DREAM! Hillary- don’t do it!!!

What we could have had.

On Sunday, April 25, 1999, the President Clinton and the DLC hosted a historic roundtable discussion, The Third Way: Progressive Governance for the 21st Century, with five world leaders including British PM Tony Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Dutch PM Wim Kok, and Italian PM Massimo D’Alema, the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and DLC President Al From

The Third Way philosophy seeks to adapt enduring progressive values to the new challenges of he information age. It rests on three cornerstones: the idea that government should promote equal opportunity for all while granting special privilege for none; an ethic of mutual responsibility that equally rejects the politics of entitlement and the politics of social abandonment; and, a new approach to governing that empowers citizens to act for themselves.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=128&subid=187&contentid=895

Obama and the Party leadership doesn’t need the Clintons. Or so they think.
Obama as well as Dean, Pelosi, Brazile are still convinced that the lousy poll numbers are there only because the pollsters can’t call the young Obama supporters on their cell phones. They think, the youth will come out in masses to vote for Obama and they will turn around the whole election.
They don’t seem to realize that the initial enthusiasm has cooled a lot because Obama’s flip-flop on their most important issues. They will come out to vote – most likely – just like any other time. Maybe a little more, but not like an earthquake as they expect it.
No matter what we do, Dean will try to turn the Convention in Obama’s favor. He may or may not succede.
If Hillary doesn’t become the nominee, the delusional Party leadership and Obama will harvest a 50 state loss.

I bet Obama never tried to apologize to Bill for the race-baiting. Just expected BC to come crawling to The One.

just heard that now obama has written a letter to the dnc to have the florida and michigan delegations to get full votes……well how fucking nice of him now, after he screwed hillary out of them ! this ass has no scruples, no shame and will do anything in a desperate attempt to win….no deal. what a piece of shit……

Purposely it is unlikely Clinton wants anything to do with Obama. Bill got more favorable press this week in Africa than Bambi got at home, and repairing an image almost destroyed by a race baiting candidate has begun.

Meanwhile Bambi keeps sinking, great!

Then on Aug 28th, Bambi wants to take the stage in front of 75,000 people on the anniversary of MLK’s “I have a Dream” speech to proclaim MLK’s dream has been met, thus destroying all MLK’s work and words.

In one single sentence “be judged not by the color of my skin but by my character” Obama has destroyed every civil rights person especially MLK and MLK’s legacy.

Would MLK approve of Obama if he was alive, definately not, because if he did, he’d have proven himself a fraud. MLK lived in Chicago slums, Obama profited from them. MLK marched and lead for reforms, Obama used community organizing for his own advancement.

So on August 28th when Obama mentions the name Martin Luther King in his speech, Obama is making history in defaming one of the most important civil rights leaders in American history, just as Obama has defamed one of America’s most historic Presidents in Bill Clinton, solely for Obama’s personal gains!

I love that WaPo is telling me that Bill Clinton has to be “rehabillitated.” This from a paper that sold us George Bush and the Iraq War.

Bill Clinton is loved throughout the world and will still be loved when people are asking, “Barack who?” (That should be about this time next year.)

The story says it all. Clinton out actually working to make people’s lives better while Obama prances around the world telling everyone that they are racists if they disagree with him.

When a person like St. OBLAHBLAH has become God-like, then what else, or who else is needed?

“Does he imagine that his personality to so attractive that he doesn’t need a united party? ”

In a word, Yes. He does imagine exactly that. Just like a Narcissist.

Bill Clinton wouldn’t answer his call anyhow. If I were Barack Obama I would worry about what Bill has planned for him.

Gore also shut out Clinton. A whole lot of good it did him.

This wont sit well with the Central New Yorkers that love the Clintons. Former President Clinton would come to the Great Ny State Fair in Syracuse.
He would stop at the little stands and eat the Gianelli Sausage. Hillary has also been to the Fair.

Ok it doesnt sit well with this Central NYer. Between the two of them I have voted for them 5 times.

Maybe it has something to do with the “kiss my ass” statement.

After all they don’t need us why would they need the big dawg.

sigh

it’s been a lot of years since I cheered and hoped for WES in 04.

I was “asked” to get on board with Kerry by the General. Then Kerry picked the pretty boy. (I shook my head)

THIS TIME the GEN. asked us to “consider” Hillary (so out of respect I did)

but then…….. after being totally sold on HILLARY

CLARK half assed asked us to get on board the Obama Train………. if he had been LOOKING at me he would have seen my one finger salute!

Sorry General, you’ve asked me ONE tooo many times to follow you blindly! It’ ain’t happening again.

HILLARY IN 08

OF MC CAIN IT IS!!

One of the reasons I took a look at McCain back in 2000. Gore pissed me off, but the point was moot, Bush got the nod. And there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Fratboy.

Obama, on other presidents:

You know—[to the audience] see that little segue there, “by the way,” just as an aside. You know, I’m not a historian, so— There’s a hotel, I think it’s the Capitol Hilton, in Washington; and downstairs, where there are a lot of banquet halls, there’s a whole row of all the presidents. You walk by the forty-three that have been there and you realize there are only about ten who you have any idea what they did.

“Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,”

Boy was he right.

Jimmy Carter is OBamas man !!!!

i just loved bill clinton….the world was such a better place….this planet we live on could be a paradise…in some places where man has not gotten greedy i guess it still is…life was so much better before the clown bush cabal greedy war mongers highjacked their way into the white house…nobama highjacking democrats this year…guess we will have to wait till 2012 for another chance at peace and prosperity…in this paradise we call earth…it could be

I’m with you. I thought Chimpy McFlightsuit should have been drummed out of the Rep party for his trashing of McCain.

Recall Obama said Reagan changed history more than Bill Clinton, while decrying all the messy excess of the 1960s and 1970s.

I swear, Obama worships St. Ronnie.

The thing is, no one wants Clinton to be associated with Obama. Even watching Hillary raising money for Barack is cringeworthy for both of their supporters. Obamabots are “too good” for evil Clinton’s and their supporters and the feeling is mutual. Clinton’s are too good to be pushed on Obama’s dirty, sinking ship. I just wanna wake up to an Obama-free world.

Translation: Vote for me cause I’m ignorant.

I know that Hillary has my vote and if she is not the selection then my call goes out to The John McCain group and I start calling daily for him till the election.
I did over 10,000 for Hillary and would do much more this time just hope they go for her. Country before party and I have decided I am a Clinton Democrat for the past 50? years I had just been a democrat.
What they are running this time does not resemble anything I am familiar with and CHANGE it will be if it continues down this crazy path.

Gore also shut out Clinton. A whole lot of good it did him.

Well Gore did endorse Oblowmee. Maybe he’s giving him some pointers ? You know Bill is the Devil. Stay away from Bill.

Perhaps it is BHOs inherent insecurity rising to the surface. Bill Clinton would remind a lot of people what we had and could have had with Senator Clinton being elected President. And imagine what a global ambassador Bill could make, he has the connections, the gravitas and the skills to work the role well.
These are just a few things that BHO wouldn’t want his adoring masses, and the logical majority to be reminded of. In addition, his thugs will most likely boo Senator Clinton if she speaks at the convention, Bill as well. I don’t think that is spinnable.

I look back on the 90s with good feelings. The most we ever had to worry about was what sort of irrelevant shenanigans Bill was gonna pull. So little in the way of bad news.

The way the Democratic Party has treated the Clintons, the Clintons should avoid BO as much as possible. Let the Pelosi, Dean and all the rest, self-destruct. People are slowly waking up to the real BO and they don’t like the smell of his brew.

Maybe the “Great One” is waiting for the former President of the United States to fawn and beg. Oh please, oh please let me help you, Barack.

Ain’t going to happen.

And if they want cheerleaders, let Axelrod get out there with the pom-poms. Or Donna Brazilla. Or Pelosi.

They’re so wildly popular, worth at least 2 votes.

Incredible!

Yes, Obama is afraid of Bill Clinton. Afraid of his intelligence and wisdom. Bill Clinton, despite his big weakness, has it together. He understands complex problems and how to solve them. He has an overall vision, and believes in it. And he really cares about people (as does Hillary).

Bill Clinton, like Obama, has always been running for president. But why did I (and still do) trust Clinton to manage, but not Obama? I think it is because I saw Obama do really dishonest things, like pretend to be religious and attach on to a religion for political purposes. It is so clear he shopped around Chicago for a church not out of love of God but for a way to get ahead. And all of his switching now is just part of the whole game of fakery. You know who else was like Obama? Both Bushes. Both had no vision other than they wanted to be president.

I will place a wager of ANY amount Bill takes him down a few pegs. A statement here or there with the old Clinton “aw shucks” I didn’t mean anything by that and Obama will lose 5 more states. never under estimate Bill Clinton. Hillary in 2012

Is he going to give back all those unearned MI delegates too? Hillary could have pandered to Iowa by removing her name from the MI ballot. If Obama lost Iowa, it would have been a whole different race.

OR

Barack knows better after the low-down smear campaign he ran on Hillary.

Obama now wants to seat the full Florida and Michigan delegations. Unbelievable.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_pushes_for_full_FL_MI_convention_votes.html?showall

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080803/pl_politico/12269;_ylt=AuYHzO8lJCIGc5fYe991hLNsnwcF

No that is donna and we all know how great a democrat she is,
“base stay home.”
She has done such a great job handling campaigns.
Karl thinks she is the best thing that ever happened to the republican party.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS AND BUBBAS RULE

I am glad that I changed to an Independent after 40 years registered as a Democrat. If someone told me that I would have done this – I would had said no way and bet my life on it. President Clinton could have just retired after his WH days and just gave speeches but he formed this foundation to help with so many causes around the world. I wish I could afford to go to Denver to protest.

Gift from Heaven – to be shunned by the great “one”.

X2!

PUMA!!!!

No bet. Bill is the master; Oblowme just a rank amateur (among other even worse things). All Bill has to do is is open his mouth at the right time and the party is over for Oblahblah and his bots.

This just keeps Bill from hurting BO’s feelings when the big D tells BO to fuck off.

It’s been eight years and I’m STILL stunned the American people fell for Bush…when they said he was a Texas good ole boy that folks wanted to have a beer with I stopped and thought… What? Did Poppy Bush and Babs squeeze out another Bush son while I wasn’t paying attention? Who the hell are they taking about? Bush Jr was famous for his nasty behavior. He was a typical rich, spoiled brat. And we’re seeing it happen all over again. A bonehead sleezing his way to the White House courtesy of Madison Ave.

Breaking! New York Times Rewrites History: ‘McCain Joins Obama On Offshore Drilling’

In perhaps the most biased, incorrect, misleading and blatantly disgusting piece of journalism this campaign season, the Global Edition of the New York Times – The International Herald Tribune has published an article entitled: McCain Joins Obama On Offshore Drilling.

Maybe by playing nice with Obama until he asked for full votes from Florida, Hillary could go for a credentials fight on Michigan and get this in the real vote in Denver.

I’d rather vote for Jackie Gleason (the real “great one”) than B. Hussein Obama.

I think he’s already doing that by stating BO is a “politician.”

I have a question regarding the seating of the full delegations from Michigan and Florida.

Who determines whether or not they’ll be seated? I believe I read somewhere upthread that it was expected of the “nominee” to take that step.

Therefore, can the DNC leadership still deny the seating of these delegates after the “nominee” asked?

How does that work?

This was on ABC news tonight. Bill Clinton said “I am not a racist” when asked if he regrets anything about the campaign. More of the interview will be on Good Morning America tomorrow.

I will never forget or forgive the people who trashed and belittled him during the primary. Obama does not deserve any support from Pres. Clinton and Pres. Clinton certainly has nothing to apologize for.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5506458

Washington-won the revolution, turned down being king,
Jefferson-wrote the declaration, Louisina purchase
Adams-Wrote constitution, prevented war with france
Monroe-Monroe doctrine
Lincoln-won the civil war
TR-fought trusts, conservationist, panama canal
FDR-WWII
Truman-desegragated armed services
Eisenhower-warned of the influence of the military-industrial complex
LBJ-civil rights(vietnam was bad, we know)
Nixon-BHO’s secret man-crush, but did engage China, did sign arms reduction treaties with the Soviets
Reagan-like beajolais noveau, didn’t age well, but did create conditions to cause the USSR to collapse,
Clinton-BUDGET SURPLUS, growing, vibrant economy

That’s more than ten, took about 5 minutes and someone who seeks to be POTUS should know a bit more than that

Here’s the link

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/03/america/campaign.php

Ah, the vaunted judgment of Oblowme: He’s burned his bridges behind him, to his left and right, and in front. And when he self-immolates (wait for it), the bridge under him.

I’ll take the competence, thank you very much.

I just briefly scanned through the posts and I thought you were kidding. Yikes!

I should be shocked. We should all be shocked. However, none of us have anything left to be shocked about at this point.

Although, the night is still young.

I long for the moment after BO’s candidacy goes down in flames when Big Dawg gives the Clinton shrug>>> with a wink to us PUMAs.

Unless Hillary and Obama were sharing the ticket, it would be both expected and perfectly understandable for Bill Clinton to have mixed feelings about supporting and advising Barack Obama. Also–and I’m saying this as a long-term Bill Clinton supporter and defender–the guy was a bit off his game during the 2008 primaries.

The bottom line, though, is that Bill owes Oblahblah nothing. Oblahblah, however, owes Bill an apology.

Actually, they haven’t been reading the fine print of the pollsters. They are call cellphones.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Bill Clinton has done more for Obama’s OWN PEOPLE than that scum bag has or ever will. Right now, there are 2 sets of Dems – one set is the kool-aid drinking, snotty-nosed college kids and their professors and the other set is EVERYONE ELSE in the country that is devoted to Bill and Hillary.

Let them revel in their temporary glory – this time next year, Bill Clinton will STILL be the most beloved President in history and Hillary will either be our 44th President or planning on defeating the GOP in ’12.

Barack who??? Right on!!!

Hillary or McCain ’08!!!

My hope is Bill and Hillary stay out of the election. Let BO sink on his own. I will wait for 2012 for HRC to rise again. The DC will change leaders by then.

Sounds more like new world order

Amen Sister!

The Credentials Committee, which meets right before the convention, can review and revise the decisions of the Rules and Bylaws Committee. I don’t know the details.

I personally want both Clintons to stay the hell away from Obama and his toxic garbage.

I agree 100%…

He doesn’t deserve the Clinton’s help!!

Go Bill, stand up for yourself. Ooohh and on the tails of McCain standing up to Obama for pulling the race card.

This just in: Obama decides to seat the FL and MI delegations. Seriously, this guy is SO manipulative and phony it just want to make me spit!

This is from his shill, the NYT, painting his decision as a grand gesture, instead of a last-minute attempt to climb in the polls. Where was Obama when those votes *counted* during the campaign???!! LIAR!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/obama-wants-full-voting-rights-to-florida-michigan-delegates/index.html?hp

Thank you. Here’s hoping they follow through and do the right thing.

If I remember correctly, Gore did not win his home state of Tennessee in 2000. And this year Kerry and Kennedy’s Chosen One, Obama, did not win Massachusetts, yet Obama managed to get the endorsements of senior Democratic senators like Dodd, Leahy, Rockefeller, Dorgan. The Democrats seem to be an extremely dense, dysfunctional family that will be torn into shreds before this is all over.

I was accidently exposed to some Sunday TV this AM and just have to mention how uninspiring Nancy Pelosi appeared on Face the Nation. She looked like a scarecrow with a bad hair day. I didn’t bother to listen to her although there are press reports that she is pushing a congressman from W’s district in Texas named Chet Edwards as Obama’s VP. Interesting.

Also, I briefly got a look at McCain on CSPAN speaking to the National Urban League. Personally, I think he is a better speaker (I don’t think he pretends to be an orator) than Obama. He spoke with some conviction and depth.

I really hope the information compiled by Jonah Benjamin on Obama’s citizenship status grab some attention and picks up some steam very soon. If the Democrats have any sense left whatsoever, they will dump Obama before they create a constitutional crisis.

Bill Clinton, as an elder statesman and popular former President, has earned respect and deserves respect from his Party, and Bill is well within his rights to demand respect! Go Bill! Don’t let ‘em give you any shit!

“And if they want cheerleaders, let Axelrod get out there with the pom-poms. Or Donna Brazilla. Or Pelosi.”

That is a visual I do not care to contemplate. BARF

So NASA, drilling, and now this, maybe he saw himself sinking in a FL poll and he’s panicking. So naked.

I agree, yes indeed. Let Obama continue to sink his own ship, and it’s sinking. Bill has the ability and smarts to patch it up and keep on moving; Hillary has the ability to reshape the ship into a new one, all Obama has with his party of pirates is a bucket full of holes, as he tries to bail his way out of each and every lie that is weighing that campaign vessel down. I won’t vote democrat no matter what. Hillary is smarter than that, she wants to run in 2012, she won’t soil herself by being any part of this O ticket.

Also–and I’m saying this as a long-term Bill Clinton supporter and defender–the guy was a bit off his game during the 2008 primaries.

He relized the fix was in. Might have been a little annoyed.

Agreed, but he WON. It is also funny that she did not remove her name from the ballot because “she was too late”. As for party unity Larry – I hear the Rethugs are having a bit more of a problem with McSame than Democrats are having with Obama. Maybe you can tell us more – after all you are a Republican.

I think that Obama is more like Bush than McCain is. He has no ethics and no program.

Anyone relying on Kerry to do anything is a fool. That guy constantly puts his foot in his mouth and hopefully O’Reilly can defeat or at least weaken him in the primary.

New video promoting Jerome Corsi’s fresh-off-the-presses book “The Obama Nation” detailing the rise to power of the would-be Messiah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beUF_86QOCA

Donna Brazile was Gore’s campaign manager.

I agree with what you say about Clinton during the primaries. Who knows what impact his heart surgery had on his cognitive abilities. Clinton seemed WAY more short-tempered than he had in his heyday. Something else was going on.

I will NEVER forget that Obama used his race to create a race issue, and manipulate the press in a way that had the whole country thinking that the Clinton’s might be racist. This shows the media power of Obama, and how far some are willing to go to support him.

Obama is a scary guy; this said by a long-time Democrat who falls in the moderate spectrum.

Obama used the Progressive Left to get the nomination, and then he threw them under the bus. Who’s next?

I *want* to be wrong about Obama, but he keeps proving that he’s a dangerous pol, with no center.

Yeah, Boy Barry is the Ivory Tower’s Bush.

Amen!!!!! If no one else had said this I was going to. If anything, Obama owes both Clinton’s apologies for trashing their reputations with lies and innuendo not only about race but about what these two accopmloshed in eight years in the White House. Someone in a post above related a story about Obama bragging he did not know much history. It showed in his trashing of a good and decent man who was a great President and has gone on to be a world-wide humanitarian.

Clintons are better off not being associated with the Obama campaign.

Obama will go down to defeat in November and the party will look for scapegoats for the defeat. Better be as far away as possible.

Another thing to keep in mind; Bill wants to have a good relationship with a President McCain and Hillary will want to work with President McCain to pass bipartisan legilation.

You won’t see the Clintons attacking McCain. They might show up with Obama for photo ops because of pressure from the DNC but they won’t criticize McCain.

Hopefully, Bill will tell us after Jan. what was really going on.

Gore shut Clinton out in 2000 on Donna Brazile Nut’s
bad advise. And that move cost Gore the election. Plain and simple. I don’t know why she is even a political consultant- she is soo out of tune with the American public. She is freakin’ clueless and it shows, as all her clients LOSE! Brazile nut probably masterminded the Al-Tipper kiss that backfired as well.

The Obama bots are getting REALLY scared…they’ve figured out that the trolling isn’t working! The word has gone forth that they need to be NICE and HUMOROUS. This would be funny as hell if it weren’t so flopsweat desperate!!!

Stand by for the new, improved trolls to come our way…forewarned is forearmed! They’ve been listening, anyway–maybe they will listen a little more, and figure out that we don’t want their shitty candidate, and we never will:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/2/101027/8846

Stop waiting for Obama to do the dirty fighting. He is the leader. We are the troops. We are the mean, dirty, nasty, smear-fighting, under the belt counter-punching change that we’ve been waiting for.

So how do you fight this onslaught?

One thing to remember is that when you are off this board, hanging out with conservatives and moderates on other boards, you are in enemy territory. You need to be on your best behavior. No one approach will succeed with your audience and your style. Find your honest voice and use it. But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation – learn to fake another style.

What works: humor, facts, honesty, personal experience, passion. Some audiences love historical context and comparisons. Not too short; not too long. One liners can raise a question, bring a laugh, or make a point. Very long screeds are rarely read by anyone. Fresh information works – bring some news no one has seen yet.

What does not work: becoming a forum troll. If people perceive you as an unreasoning opponent of their POV you will be blown off and pilloried. Constant swearing. Bitterness. Fear. Desperation. None of these are effective tools.

They really ARE a cult–and this kind of post proves it.

I’d say.

uh, Hillary never intended to remove her name from any state’s ballots.
Barak was too late to remove his name from the Florida ballot.
Dude this stuff didn’t happen all that long ago, maybe you should see a doctor about that short term memory problem.

I’ve always said that – you never underestimate the Clintons. They are the BEST natural politicians of our lifetimes… the proof? SHE WON the primaries, not Oblowme. It’s just like I heard Pat Buchanan say on Joe Scarboroughs show… “Obama was the choice of the delegates, but Hillary was the people’s choice.”

Of course, we know, in reality, the only way Oblowme “won” the Super’s was by lining their scuzzy pockets.

Hillary or McCain ’08!!!

Bill Clinton is a man, Barky is an immature boy.
I hope Bill doesn’t even go to the convention. It is a sham anyway.
Barky thinks he has this election in the bag. He plans on stealing and cheating his way to the White House (to be renamed?). He has ACORN and his thugs out creating fake voters in most of our 57 states.
People are afraid to even put stickers on their cars and signs in their yards for fear of the thugs attacking. I had my fence kicked in last week after putting a McCain sticker on it. Barky is a Mugabe in the making.

He shut out Clinton on Donna Brazile’s advice.

Brazile’s stategy cost Gore the election and Hillary the nomination.

Watch her bamboozle the CBC into endorsing Obama on this video.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/03/obama-shuts-out-bill-clinton-dumps-party-unity/

She’s a scheming liar who has done more damage to the democratic party and this country than any other inside player.

Hope her mama’s proud.

Yes, please do not let Bill help you. He only got elected twice. Balanced the budget and had a surplus. Had a high rating at the end of his second term – even with all that transpired. Was a tremendous asset to Hillary during her run.

No, President Clinton was not off his game. I strongly disagree. Obama played the race card and went negative and the ever in love with Obama media played right along and hammered him without mercy. Obama and his entire campaigh including Michelle and the media seemed to enjoy bashing him. He didn’t have a chance. Kind of like the lie the media went along with when they said Gore said he invented the internet.

This should be a diary. There’s soooooooo much to go with.

Isn’t he something? How does HE get to decide that MI and FL should be seated with full delegates?

If it looks like Obama is going to win in November, I will not vote for Democratic Congressmembers. No Way! I do NOT want Obama to have a rubber stamp.

That said, Obama stands a good chance of losing this race. He is a fad, and the general public likes nothing more than seeing a star topple.

Obama has used the press to set himself up as god; it’s a long way down from there. What we need is a serious look into his past, and I mean *everything*, just like the Progressive Left stood by and let the national press and GOP gut Bill Clinton, over a god-damned BJ.

The day that Obama takes this nomination is the day I leave the Democratic party, for good. The whole thing makes me sick!

“the guy was a bit off his game during the 2008 primaries.”

Easy to see why. He figures out prettty quickly what Hillary was up against.

1) The media was totally in tank for Obama, putting him on a pedestal while trashing Hillary 24/7

2) Obama shamelessly used the race card with help from this media gropies, portraying the Clintons as racists.

Whoooeee:

In a session that lasted more than 45 minutes, Clinton described his role in the 2008 campaign as “a privilege, an honor,” and said, “I loved it,” but he declined to discuss any of his own possible mistakes, describing them as a distraction. “Next year, you and I and everybody else will be freer and have more space to say what we believe to be the truth” about the primaries, he said.

Clinton volunteered very little praise of Obama, beyond describing him as “smart” and “a good politician” when asked about him toward the end of the interview. He did, however, muse at length about the role that race could play in the general election — the issue that some of his former black allies angrily accused him of introducing in the Democratic primaries — as a factor, if not a decisive one.

The DNC will change leaders by then.

Don’t be too sure. I think the DNC is permanently changed by this onslaught of thugs. They’ll keep trying.

We are the new party… PUMAs …. there is no Democratic Party any more. We can be the “new” Democratic Party but I think Independent Party or the Smart Party sounds better. And I hope Hillary and Bill will be a part of it. They are my heroes.

So on August 28th when Obama mentions the name Martin Luther King in his speech, Obama is making history in defaming one of the most important civil rights leaders in American history, just as Obama has defamed one of America’s most historic Presidents in Bill Clinton, solely for Obama’s personal gains!

It’s disgusting to say the least. O’posuer will do anything, he has no principles!

sorry, here’s the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuMDmqwwbI&eurl=http://shutthefreudup.blogspot.com/

I agree with all who don’t want Clintons associated with BO. I think it would destroy their reputations in the long run. BO would be using Hillary and Bill as his fallguys.

I hope that Bill and Hillary vote for McCain in November, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.

Exactly right!!! It is unheard of to go after a former President of either party. It is considered poor form. It is especially unheard of within the former President’s own party. I have no idea where Obama and the DNC came up with this and why it was allowed to continue the entire primary.But it was and is shamefull!!!!!!!!!

here’s the right link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuMDmqwwbI&eurl=http://shutthefreudup.blogspot.com/

I think its really interesting what Bill is doing now and has been doing in Africa.
To me it seems kind of strange that we havent really seen Obama physically involved in any activites like that.
Actually come to think of it; have we really actually seen Obama getting his hands dirty in any inner city charities, or over seas type programs.
I dont really remember hearing any thing about Obama really doing anything in the Chicago area or really that much in New Orleans. Yes I know he toured in New Orleans, but did he physically assst with any of the programs.

All I have hear about is his monetary contributions through bills(mostly pocketed), entertainment rallies to bring the crowds and etc.

Hey there isnt even much on his wife doing any type of good works unless you count her 1/2 million dollar hospital job.

I thought Obama was the future; why are we talking about figures from the 1980s, and 1960s??

You’re right — this is a cult. Obama and Axelrod are using deliberate cult methods and tactics.

NEVER forget that we are dealing with a cult — and as we’ve learned from history cults are dangerous. They will do anything and say anything to reach their objective — and their objective is an Obama win.

But we stand in their way.

PUMA

OMG: this should be posted an the No Quarter Banner !!
Do they really think we are idiots?

SusanUnPC? Could you added somewhere as a warning/permanent joke?

How about Classic Democrats?

You should see the photoshop at the link of McCain as Jesus on a cross of media outlets.

I don’t know quite what the asshat that dreamt that up was going for…all I can say, is that sort of rude shit might ENERGIZE the evangelical base–you don’t go offending the Lord and Savior (and we’re not talking about “The One” either).

The hubris in the piece is that this idiot writing this gibberish thinks that everyone will be swayed by his shitty artwork AND that they share his convoluted, dirty-feet leftist mindset (the Commie poster of Dems on the march is priceless–another one to energize the far-right crowd!).

I never thought so many of them were that stupid.

I was wrong.

I don’t believe you have a truly accurate understanding of the Obama demographic. The attendees at his small-town campaign rallies during the primaries campaign were pretty much a cross-section, including both white collar and blue collar, all races, and all ages. The perception that he’s supported mostly by kids has more to do with their high visibility–although it’s probably fair to say that Obama is a lot more popular with young voters than John McCain.

While it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize young voters for what you apparently see as too much enthusiasm paired with a lack of good judgement, I think it’s a serious error to insult them, particularly when referencing your support of Hillary Clinton in the same post. Hillary Clinton might want the support of those same people someday. Someday might come sooner than anyone expects.

I’m suggesting this as a democrat, not just as a current Obama supporter.

I believe, easy to break thru, just keep talking about Senator Clinton and the dirty gamed played against her. You know you can spot them, just trigger the truth.

This republican doesn’t have a problem with McCain, but I damn sure have a problem with the way Hillary was screwed over by Obama and his low-life people.

Bill Clinton: Obama is not fit to tie your shoes. He played the race card on you and Hillary. Obama’s wife, church, Wright, and Phleger all bad mouthed you. Do not assist that jerk in any way, shape, or form. Let him rot in his ego.

Katmoon – great ship and pirate analogy! Ship ahoy, maties.

I’m praying for miracles.

Patti’s been hijacked.

Patti

My response above, should have posted up thread to

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-03 19:34:26

I did the “reply to this comment” it ended up down here, hope we aren’t having posting problems tonight.

But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation –

If that describes their “honest voice” that would make them nothing more than ignorant assholes….like Olbermann for example

There was a poll posted a few days ago here that stated otherwise. My problem with McCain isn’t going to keep me from voting for him in November. After all, the Democratic alternative is atrocious.

I think it’s a scream that they admit to being MEAN, DIRTY, and NASTY….because they’re calling that right on the mark!

Keep the link handy, when they come ’round, we can fling it at them, like monkey shit!

He’s not the only narcissist here.

Just wait until after the election. Bill Clinton is going to let the DNC and everyone associated with this orchestrated fiasco have an ear full of whoop ass.

I am setting back some of my popcorn stash for that event

Thanks Liberty. A lot of prayers here too.
Country first.

Is this a joke? Are they nuts?

I think the media has totally lost it.

Anchovy.

Starting with this gem:

But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation – learn to fake another style.

The philosophical implications are pretty ominous.

Getting crowded under the ol’ bus! Now the DNC is under there too!
Obama wants to look like a good guy by asking for Fl and MI delegates to be fully seated…guess that just leaves the DNC as the bad guys!
bwahahahaaa.
And its only been 2 days since he threw Pelosi under.
this guy is a HOOT!

the bad news is, I don’t think anyone buys this as a magnanimous gesture or a sense of fair play, Mr. Obama…the time for that has long since passed. It does however reek of desperation.

WITH THIS LITTLE NERD, ALL THEY ARE DOING IS LEAVING THE SAME OLE SAND BOX IN THE ROSE GARDEN AND JUST SWITCHING LIL JUNIOR’S TO PLAY IN THE SAND BOX WHILE THE SAME CRUDS RUN THE GOVERNMENT, WAKE UP ITS THE SAME OLE SAME OLE SAME SET UP WE HAD WITH GWB. THE MEDIA SHOVED GWB DOWN THE PEOPLES THROATS JUST LIKE THIS ONE. WITH OF COURSE A LITTLE HELP FROM THE SUPREMIES.
THE PEOPLE WILL BE EVER SO SORRY THEY TRASHED THE CLINTONS. BIG DAWG WAS RIGHT BAMBI WAS THEN AND IS NOW NOTHING BUT A FAIRY TALE PLAYING IN THE SAND BOX.

The only thing he will win is best supporting actor in the role of a presidential candidate.

This is from KOS.

Needed joke writers for trolls.

Needed Facts. (do not have to be real)

Needed honesty counselors.

Needed personal experience. ( for trolls and for our leader too)

Thank you for the link. Forewarned is forearmed.

The author has a scarred shiver in his tone. Well done PUMAs.

Yep, they’ve got a real sow’s ear problem…there’s no way they’ll have that silk purse ready for the prom!

You mean he rigged it. He won nothing. This was a setup.

You are telling posters what is and isn’t legitimate to criticize? Wow, stunning.

Wow! They’re giving out order to the “troops?”

This is like a bad movie. But what’s the point, really? It’s not like there’s anything an Obamatron could say about Obama: the man’s been flip-flopping around like a fish. They can and very likely will say: he’s simply showing he can compromise, or don’t we want someone as President who is flexible?

But as I wrote somewhere else. Snakes are flexible. Doesn’t mean I’d vote for one as POTUS. And why does he need a bunch of mouthpieces to speak for him anyway?

Oh, that’s right he’s The Leader. Can’t dirty those hands with taking a stand on the issues. Send out “the troops.” They can say anything without a scintilla of responsibility for Obama.

Amazing! And what office does he thing he’s running for???

No doubt a landslide defeat is come Obummers way.

Hillary warned them, but they were too drunk with power and delusions of grandeur.

But if your honest voice consists of nothing but insults, swearing, and wild/broad accusation – learn to fake another style.

wow, they should have t-shirts made with that quote.

I’m with you Marian. No Senator Clinton, then McCain 08; and I mean as the front runner, not a vp slot, still won’t vote for him.

How can they seat the FL and MI delegations. What about the rules? Remember the all important rules?

Right. Hillary wasn’t too late to remove her name from the ballot – she was too smart.
Once again, she had better judgement than Obama. Because of his poor judgement, he had to steal the delegates.

Jesse wants to cut off Nobama’s nuts; while Bill wants them presented to him on a silver platter

The DNC as we know it, is over. The future in America is not manufacturing; it’s not small-family farming. The future is *services* dolled out by professionals.

The Progressive Left has been honed by Ivy_league educated elites; they are the ones who anointed Obama, from the very first.

These are smart people, with a base of wide-eyes, fanatical types that will stop at nothing for to see their saint delivered to office.

Emotion is the coin of currency in this race; it’s going to get ugly – real ugly.

The one thing that has made me turn off from the Progressive Left is the recruitment tactics I encountered when the primary first began. I’ve never been confronted with the kind of unquestioning fanaticism that accompanied those who tried to recruit me to support Obama in my city.

It got to the point where I had to tell people – in a very stern way – to “leave me alone”, and let me make up my mind on my own.

Now, when I see those same fanatics rationalizing Obama’s “changes”, it’s clear that we are dealing with something that reason will not fathom.

Thus, this campaign will go right for the limbic jugular; it will point toward the subliminal, and play on fear.

I wonder how this is going to play out, and further wonder how far Obama’s people will take it.

There is something that smells of desperate fear that underlies overconfidence. This is a general truth.

Never having been a far lefty (I’m a moderate), it has always pained to see the lefties go oway overboard when they are in control.

THis is going to be interesting, but we’re going to see America at its worst in this campaign, brought to you by a black candidate who has enormous gifts of charisma combined with a cold-steel style of manipulation that hasn’t been seen in a long time in American politics.

Don’t underestimate Obama, or the people behind him. Anyone who can get Americans thinking that the Clintons are racist has a way with public opinion, and impression.

We’re going to have to get to the essence of the downside of Obama, and – like Larry – constantly call him on the steaming pile of horsesh*t that he and his press buddies deliver to the American public.

I’m not voting for McCain, but somehow I feel like I would be more secure with McCain. He knows the ropes, and his age is a PLUS. He has lived, and he has suffered. McCain has nothing to lose. He want to go out as a servant. Obama? Obama, at this stage in his life is more about power than goving back. That’s what worries me.

As I read about the one’s latest flip flop to seat all the delegates on the blogs, I see concern about what the PUMA’s will think.

I think you are being heard in this cycle and keep up the good work.

Its really kind of sad. At the end of the primary the Democrats had at least some hope for their congress men and senators to win in November.

Yet now with the way Peloski, the DNC and Obama are playing with Congress the Democrats just might lose a lot of representation too. I think its really kewl even though I was a Democrat.

Even the guys who were die-heart Democrats are starting to get mad at the power games the Democrats are playing with America.

Just yesterday I had one guy call me a liar when I told them that Obama is for offshore drilling. I also proceeded to tell him about how the Republicans tried to get a vote. Well I got an apology back today and McCain has two more votes. LOL

Hillary ’08
McCain ’08

Life is tough when you have to try and prop up Obighead. You have to check in with your superiors every hour to find out what your messiah’s new position is. Don’t you need to go out and inflate your tires?

Reading between the lines,and watching Obama in the last couple of Months,I still say Obama was a plant,and the Dem’s knew it, and played along. Since Obama seems to be in charge of everything,asking for Michigan and Florida to be counted.For party Unity. Wouldn’t it be possible, if Clinton’s name is in Nomination,that Mighigan and Florida,will vote for Clinton at the convention. Along with the Super super delegates,that everyone seems to be forgetting about. Clinton said in her last interview,that there will be party Unity in November. I’m sure the lady has heard how,outraged many of her supporters are,when she told everyone to support Obama.The negativity hasn’t stopped.(and she’s probable aware of it).I think she will be at the top of the ticket,and Obama will be the VP. That would be party Unity..imo..Anyone ever think maybe Obama and Clinton are working against Pelosi,and Dean, behind there backs.

I believe Clinton will be the nominee at convention
Obama will be the VP… I also think this is why Bill is being very quiet right now,as to not spill the beans. imo … This is all my opinion..But its the Canadian way of thinking about this entire fairy tale.

The evangelical base is starting to rile up. While we still have the ‘suicide’ Republicans holding out for Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo, there are plenty more that realize Obama must be stopped at all cost.

If he chooses Sarah Palin or Eric Cantor, McCain will have secured the majority of the base. If he chooses Romney or Huckabee, I don’t want to think about the consequences.

I find that whole DEMOLUTION word strange as hell, too–this idiot makes up a Soviet-style poster featuring a character that looks a lot like an M and M….and he’s going for DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION with his stupid little made-up word.

What I get from it, though, is DEMOCRATIC DEMOLITION–there’s no “U” in that, but that is still what comes to mind!

The pissed off candy character and the crowd of cultists below him look like they’re coming to tear the Democratic Party to shit! And that IS what they’ve done, isn’t it?

I’ve seen a lot of this shitty Soviet artwork coming from these clowns lately. They really are STUPID; they know nothing of history. Do they think this crap is “cool” or something?

I live in Washington state and I just got my primary ballot in the mail yesterday. I voted for Republicans all the way down ticket and I’m mailing my ballot tomorrow. The primary is August 19th. Our Democratic governor won the election a few years ago by just a couple hundred votes and she endorsed Oboohoo. I really think she’ll go down in a big defeat. I’m not naive enough to think it is because of BoBo but because she hasn’t done much to help our state.

Obama is toast. He can’t kill a retarded black man or hire Dick Morris. Poor Obama.

Bill and Hillary should stay away from the Obama sinking ship. Why would the Clintons even think of helping Obama after Michelle said she wants to scratch Bill’s eyes out?

Why don’t you go back to your Mommy’s cellar to your special crying room, obamatron 4 of 356?

I dislike BHO as mush as I do GWB. CRAP!!!!!!

LOL You are right. I too can’t wait until Bill let’s loose. Now that will be entertainment. Calls for popcorn and a six-pack.

It was rigged. He won nothing. Try again, obamatron.

If I were Barack Obama I would worry about what Bill has planned for him.

LOL … I can hardly wait … whatever it is it will be well deserved!

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 18:49:06

Gore also shut out Clinton. A whole lot of good it did him.

Thanks Donna. What is with that woman? What on earth is her problem with President Clinton anyway? I admit I am not up on why her hatred of Bill is so irrational.

Obighead, obighead!!!?

ROFLMAO!!

Breaking News: Identity Discovered on Birth Certificate, NOT Obama’s name

Obama is TOAST!!!

The smoking gun has been found on his birth certificate!!!

Check out:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

I don’t think Bill Clinton is or was “off his game” at all during the primaries. We were able to see him when he campaigned for Hillary in Dayton Oh and he was just great. There were some protesters there and they didn’t even faze him.

Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar – just reading the article mentioned above reveals how he is able to take whatever situation he is in and learn and grow from it. His advice to Obama to internalize and learn from his experience overseas is such good advice. I doubt that Obama has the depth of character to understand that advice and apply it.

I am so disappointed in the DNC for forcing this nominee down our throats when we could have had quality leadership with Hillary.

I know democrats. Oblowme is no democrat.

Oh, I think in part it’s going to be because of her endorsement of Obama. I know many of us have written and told her that is specifically why we won’t be supporting her re-election.

In name only, apparently.

Boy…Oblahma really knows who to hang with. Check out John “Keg party” Kerry and his frat girls. Don’t miss the penis straw.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/29/john-kerry-for-party-president/

And by the way…maybe Oblahma is a jinx. First Kennedy, then Russert, Novak and now Bernie Mac. I guess this is a glimpse of what the country can expect to happen with bobobo in the White House.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?news=325458&GT1=28103

The far left and right hate the Clintons. Too much caffeine in your latte? Blame Clinton.

Donkey kick for Bah-buh.

I think it took him by surprise like it did the rest of us. I never thought I would hear someone try something like that. Senior statesman of the party and treated with no respect at all. Disgusting ans shameful.

My own impression from media discussion was that Bill engaged in some micro-managing of Hillary’s campaign that created a bit of confusion and message drift. A recent Vanity Fair article tends to reinforce that view.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/clinton200808?currentPage=2

Who really knows? Something went wrong. If something hadn’t, I wouldn’t have found myself after the primaries supporting Barack Obama against John McCain.

Excellent job

The game was rigged and Bill knew it and you fell for it. Nice try, but no sale.

This sounds like it is coming from the top (or bottom, as it were). It sounds just like Barry (or is it Barrack)?

It didn’t do the rest of us much good either. Eight long years in hell is what we got from that great political strategy. Yes, let’s not take advantage of the best politician of our age who was leaving office with a 68% approval rating.

I like Al Gore and LORD KNOWS I wish he was finishing out his second term right now, but not using Bill Clinton to campaign for him was among the dumber moves in political history.

They will ban books, oh wait aren’t they already doing this in a back alley sort of way, hiding books, claiming bookstores don’t have the book< Obama Nation? And then there is spoofing names and web sites, falsely claiming spam solicitation, so anti-Obama sites get shut down. I would love, to see how deep this goes into the Obama campaign, if there was a cyber trail, there would be some serious problems for them to deal with. As it is the ones who are messing up on their own, are sitting in jail cells, or waiting to make bail; the three indicted on federal charges for voter registration fraud (ala acorn, not the first time this has happened)the young man from LA who threatened Senator Clinton, the fools who threatened Clinton supporters, and so forth. It’s a shame the media can’t be held legally accountable for what lies they perpetuate..

thanks for the link, its pretty mind blowing stuff!

The classic Alligator Troll. I’m ready.

Heh heh…so they took some woman’s COLB, fiddled with it, and “created” a COLB for Obama?

Gee, who close to the Kos or BO throne is a loyal acolyte, born in the seventies, in HI? I’m sure there’s not an unlimited universe of people who fit that description…

As a former Central NY’er — from liberal Ithaca no less! – I totally agree with you! My husband and I are real Clinton fans, with history & substance behind our adoration.

I think you need a Wake up Call. Those people are not going to sit home and NOT VOTE, they might not like Mac all that much but thay are frightened by what Obama represents. They will turn out in droves to vote AGAINST OBAMA.

… and we all know how that went for Al.

Donkey Brazilla is a joke… she was for Oblowme from the beginning. I guess her… Mama… forgot to tell her it’s not smart to lie your ass off and deceive people on National TV.

Gee, we need Ted here to tell us how this is a non-issue. Where are the trolls when bad things happen to their Messiah?

“I will place a wager of ANY amount Bill takes him down a few pegs. A statement here or there with the old Clinton “aw shucks” I didn’t mean anything by that and Obama will lose 5 more states. never under estimate Bill Clinton. Hillary in 2012″

Clintons are not going to lift a finger to help him.

They are going to follow Ronald Reagan’s example in 76.

They will give him tepid support but that is it.

They will not campaign against McCain.

Just a few weeks ago President Clinton praised McCain for his position on global warming.

Hillary will do the same. She will talk about her close friendship with McCain.

Gore didn’t want Bill’s help either. Worked for him!

She is useless. The epitome of incompetence. Gore should have won hands down against Smirky.

Maybe “legitimate” was a poor choice of words. But I stand by my point: There’s nothing wrong with criticizing the judgement of a specific group of democrats who don’t agree with you, but it’s a serious mistake to insult them, and do it in conjunction with a pro-Clinton message.

Aside from a fundamental disagreement about the character of Barack Obama, there’s a very thin line separating most Clinton and Obama supporters. A party divided against itself doesn’t stand much chance of electing either one. That might seem good to you at the moment, since all you seem to care about is destroying Barack Obama, but it wouldn’t seem so good if you suddenly found Hillary Clinton’s name on the ballot. Nor would it seem so good if you alienate people against Clinton who’s support you might want in 2012.

And so they cast it for Clinton…then what?

fool, poll numbers say you are a liar.

It keeps pissing me off when these supposedly “legitimate” news sources keep talking about “when Obama cinched the nomination” or “When Hillary lost the nomination” or “When Hillary conceded”.
Hillary did NOT lose, she did not LEAVE, she did not QUIT. She SUSPENDED her campaign, she did NOT concede. She can reopen her campaign, go to Denver, get put into nomination and win the nomination.
What would little BO do then? Would he cry to his granny under the bus? Would he run to Jesse Jackson to back and support him…under the bus? Would he turn to his spiritual mentor…under the bus? Would he appeal to the democratic base…under the bus? (women voters over 40). What will he do when he loses the nomination at the convention? He just doesn’t understand that this isn’t over yet. He WANTS it to be over, he has DECLARED that it is over, He WISHES it was over, but it isn’t.
Hillary may not win the nomination in Denver like I dream she does, but even then, BO’s on his own, no big Dawg, no Hillary to bail him out, he can’t cut it on his own and fancy speeches aren’t going to save this country. In less than a year, Bill and Hillary will be called upon to clean up the mess because they are the only ones who can do it. Otherwise, it’s just going to be a much larger mess for Hillary to clean up in 2012….that is if the Aztec Calendar isn’t right and Obama is the “ONE” that brings us the end of the world, which wouldn’t really surprise me that much.
I never thought I would be tempted to call any other living person the “n” word. I’m not a racist, I have fought for equality all my life, but if any person in the world deserves the nominer, it is BHO.

The “something” that went wrong was that the Democratic elite was determined to end the Clintons power in the party….even if they had to lose the election to do it. They have succeeded in nominating a candidate who will lose the election, it remains to be seen if they have ended the Clintons power.

james you are so in the tank for obama is is disgusting.

His campaign has broken the law by trying to pass off phony documentation.

gore has also pretty much shut out obama as well. sure he did the endorsement speech but that is all.

They are completely oblivious to their surroundings, i.e., they live in some sort of fantasy world–probably akin to their video games or some such rot. As for history–not one of their strong suits.

I had the most wonderful experience in Indiana and the greatest pleasure. I got a hug from Bill Clinton….mainly because I had my Navy Veteran’s hat on my head. At the time he was running around with a state senator from my homestate…funny thing is the state senator and I graduated from the same high school. I even knew his sister somewhat. I told Bill the story. It was definitely a small world that night………

It has been wonderful to see he hasn’t had to do anything for Obama. It would seem like something “awful” if he had had to do it after all the denigrating comments Obama made about Bill. And his absolute insult by claiming Bill’s presidency was the same as Bush….. nothing can be farther than the truth.

Personally I believe Bill has no part in the annointed one’s coronation. Once again Obama will diss Bill. He is dissing Hillary at the coronation and he dissed her today. This Obama is just the most cretinous person on the face of the earth!

He was living in Indonesia, if he had been in AMERICA as a kid he would have known more about the Presidents, he would have known about the 50 states, not 57, and he would be able to Bowl. He is NOT ONE OF US, he doesn’t know about the people in America or anything about the country. He asked a farmer if they grew any arugula in Iowa. Wouldn’t you think driving from chicago to springfield you might have a slight idea about crops in the area?? Only been in that area for 20 years.

What a DUMB FUCK.

He can’t use that time in Indonesia as an excuse. That little shit went to high school in America.

Hell, I was educated overseas, at American schools, and they COVERED that material in the classes I attended. Like most kids who were tolerably well educated, I was required to learn a little sumtin-sumtin about every single President–even the LOUSY ones. It’s how I know that Obama has it in him to be a Pierce (like Franklin’s relative, W) or a corrupt, languid Harding (who BTW was the first black president, though passing, unless you count Lincoln, whose mom was mixed race, and may have had some African ancestry to go with her AI roots).

I cannot believe he said that. And he accuses Clinton supporters of being “low information voters?” This guy went to Harvard Law? What, did he get the “special needs” degree?

I am ASTOUNDED. Maybe that shit has currency with kids who were taught to take a test, and haven’t learned shit, but it doesn’t have value with anyone who was educated BEFORE all these dumbass children were “left behind.”

The man really IS an idiot….only barely smarter than his cult followers.

That one will send the Obamatrons into reboot.

bill said wait till this was all said and done, and then the truth will come out. i can’t wait.

I think he would have a temper tantrum, run to Mechelle and scream they hate me. And Mechelle will say, don’t worry barry we hate you too because you lost!

OH PLEASE! THAT YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO QUOTE THOSE ASSES AT VANITY FAIR MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP.

Yeah. Grimm. Really Grimm ….

New York Times Tells a Whopper: “McCain Joins Obama on Offshore Drilling”

So, let’s see if I have this straight. Obama opposes offshore drilling on Wednesday, supports it Friday, The Times conveys title to the drilling issue to Obama on Saturday, and at no time does Obama acknowledge he changed his position at all.

Love this guy.

http://patriotroom.com/?p=772

Yes, and that reminds me to go down to Dem Headquarters and get an Obama sticker for when he loses.

I take seriously the threat of attacks on whitey (older women in particular) who will be blamed for the loss of the election. I’ll use it as insurance and look them right in the eye as I agree with them that the world will now come to an end. I have no shame…like The One.

Now I feel like one of the old Silent Majority. You don’t have to convince anyone. Just quietly go about your business and then vote the cretins out.

From Larry’s post: “So how tough can it be to calm the waters from a bruising Democratic primary in which no one died?”

Remember Shirley Chisholm? When George Wallace was shot, she went and visited him in the hospital. This was a man who was her political rival, a segregationist among other things. Chisholm knew all about a bruising primary. But none of that mattered, she went because it was the right thing to do and because she never wanted to see that sort of thing happen to anyone.

It’s the real courage of people like Shirley Chisholm that just make Obama look like a petty and pompous empty suit.

I believe President Clinton told Obama ‘Don’t call me, I’ll call you’. My advice to Obama – don’t hold your breath.

Bill doesn’t want any part of Obama’s campaign and Obama is afraid of Bill.

The FIX was in for Obama. Dean used his 50 State Organization for Obama in the caucus States and everywhere else. they made urban votes worth more than suburban votes, no equality here. DNC GAVE Obama 45% of the Michiganistans votes, he wasn’t on the ballot. Why do you think Obama got a evening Speaking role at the convention in 2004?? He was a State Senator. He is backed by george Soros, who pays the bills for the DEMS, MoveOn and most of the bloggers too. Obama advisor Ziggy Brzezinski and george Soros rep for the Internationalists, Obama is their boy

I hadn’t heard of that. Remarkable. She was one classy person.

They’re college kids, they’ll have hangovers on election day and forget to go vote anyway. By the time they sober up and graduate, they won’t remember who obama was and will all be talking about what an inspirational leader Hillary Clinton is (when they’re grown ups).

Soooo who gets the pleasure of sending this link to Kos?

Compare and contrast that WaPo article on the millions of African lives President Clinton has saved and improved with this story about how Obama hasn’t done one damned thing to help a school in Kenya named after him, even after he wrote them saying he would help them.
Tell me, who is the racist here?

Barack Obama’s broken promise to African village

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23520981-details/Barack+Obama%27s+broken+promise+to+African+village/article.do

There is no thin line–it is a chasm. HRC is a woman of her word; Oblowme is a manipulative liar of the worst sort. His resume is razor thin and his arrogance, second only to Dick Cheney’s. His judgment is questionable and competence lacking. HRC is just the opposite.

I don’t care what you Oblockhead supporters think because you have nothing of substance to offer. You aren’t democrats; we are. I have been in the party since before the bicentennial. I know democrats and you and Barky ain’t.

Pardon me. I hadn’t realized that Vanity Fair had made the local list of heretical and anathematized publications.

HA….great minds! I thought the same thing!

They sure are faking basic intelligence!

Pardon me, that should read “I was a democrat” I left the party out of protest.

One can only hope.

Or, how about the “American Party”?

Well, if they do the “epic fail”–as the little shits say–they won’t “own” the leadership.

Remember, KERRY was the standard-bearer during our last failed, overserious, didactic attempt. Dean WRESTED control away; he wasn’t Kerry’s pick. In fact, he wasn’t a LOT of people’s pick.

No reason why we can’t take our party back, AND our country.
Why cede anything to them? No fucking Quarter, doggone it!!!

Speaking of Oblahma playing the race card, there is an excellent post at http://www.liberalrapture.com/ -

You’ll have to scroll down a few posts because I couldn’t get a link directly to it. Look for the title “Race Rant” from July 31, 2008. You’ll be rolling on the floor by the end. It’s a good one.

Hey, you forgot there was a picture of him with a shovel during the flooding. Do you think he actually used it?

Over at Savage Politics someone made a comment about rumors flying that Evan Bayh will be 0bama’s VP.

I hope this is not true. I like Bayh and I hate to see him tied to this loser.

Does anybody think that the election is already rigged. I keep having this haunting feeling. It’s why 0bama is so arrogant. Someone upthread posted about the Progressive backing 0bama and how they will do anything. I swear that they hacked the machines.

And now 0bama has reinstated FL & MI delegates. Really? Like who cares now?

I want to this man lose so bad. I can only do my part. I hope people will have the guts to vote McCain. It’s the only way to make this nightmare called 0bama go away.

I agree, that has to be a Central Casting memo.

Obama is so ego-centric, he could never accept being anyone’s vp. He doesn’t cooperate with anyone unless he has something to gain personally. He needs to be the center of the universe, ala I am The One we have been waiting for.

I’m thinking he needs the full pledged delegates from those states to pad himself against the superdelegates.

They might be jumping ship in in larger numbers then we know, or putting pressure on him to get those poll numbers up.

Huh? What’s wrong with Bernie Mac?

It was so sad tonight seeing Bill Clinton on TV saying he’s not a racist.
NObama!

After November, Obama’s bony ass will be in the same senate seat.
He’ll be whining how racist the country is. Just like Clinton, just like McCain.
The country that he had in the palm of his hand.

You know George Wallace made a 180 degree turn in his thinking about AAs, and great people like Chisolm had a hand in it.

Right. Half of the party are complete idiots–not the half that you identify with, of course–and are of no consequence whatsoever. Not in 2008, and not anytime after. Have I got that?

And the true democrats are the people who will cast their votes in November for John McCain?

Sorry. To quote what somebody said elsewhere in this thread, NO SALE.

He wants to prevent Hillary from taking it to the credentials committee and possibly taking the nomination from him. However, since they GAVE him delegates from Michigan that he didn’t earn, she can still take THAT to the credentials committee even if they are seated because they still won’t be seated correctly.
He thinks he’s “cutting her off at the pass” but in reality, he’s just making it easier for her to point out that if they are seated, they should be seated correctly. He’s shooting himself in the foot. ….of course that’s ok, it’ll be in his mouth again soon and he can suck on it to make it feel better.

I started to do the same, but changed my mind. This is MY party, not Obama’s. He’ll be gone, but I’ll still be here and I want to be part of the party that Hillary REBUILDS after he, dean and pelosi have destroyed it.

As a newcomer, it is Obama’s place to reach out and sooth the hurt feelings caused by his smear tactics.
Bill is senior, and a former president, and Obama punk-ass is a nothing who got where he was because Caroline Kennedy decided it was important for the family to have a “legacy” whatever the hell that means.

I think that was Donna Brazille’s doing. Looks like she giving out the same bad advice – Stay away from Bill.

They might remember who Obama was about three years into the McCain term. Obama might be remembered as the chance that got away.

“Plot the 41% drop in the value of the dollar since Bush took office, and extrapolate the trend 4 years into the future…”

(College kids mostly know how to do stuff like that. Even when they’re a bit hung over.)

Yea his treatment of Bill Clinton is the main reason I am not voting for this loser. Donna Brazille was on ABC talking bad about Bill

Guess what They can all go to hell

Obama was my second choice. I didn’t get my first choice. But I dealt with that.

Michell Obama compared to Jackie Kennedy What a joke
I have never seen a more homely man I mean woman

The thing is,with teddy out of commission, there are all these extra groupie girls the Horse Face can bonk now.

…and no morals.

…and no soul.

OK, here’s how it’s going to play out. Mark my words.
August Convention: Michigan and Florida fully seated, BO’s Michigan delegates taken away. SD’s switch in mass to Clinton and she wins on the first ballot.
She has class and dignity and offers the shattered BO the vp position, he arrogantly refuses and puts his lawyers to work.
Knowing their october surprise is ruined, the GOP go ahead and drop their BO bombshells, humiliating him further due to his immense arrogance.
Hillary wins by a respectable, but not landslide margin due to the civil campaign that is run between her and McCain up to November. He vp pick with be Ed Rendell and together, they will clean up the mess dumbya has left and by the beginning of her second term the national debt will be out of the red and the surplus will start rebuilding as companies continue in bringing their manufacturing jobs back to American soil after she worked with Congress to levy a hefty tax on companies that outsource labor to foreign countries for cheaper expenses.
She repeals “No Child Left Behind” and initiates a nation wide educational reform based on a return to the foundations of Math, English, Science and Social Studies, incorporates technology and reintroduces enrichment programs, Arts and Humanities, Agriculture classes and other classes that have fallen to the wayside producing a huge jump in high school graduation rates and test scores.
Obama moves to Kenya to help cousin Odinga with his election and shows him how to lose through arrogance and is drummed out of the family.
McCain is offered the position of Secretary of Defense or something ot do with the Military.
Hillary finishes her second term with the Highest approval rating of any president in the history of the United States. Congress repeals the two term limit, Bill runs again in 2016 and we continue to excel and return to the superpower beloved around the world that we once were.
Scenario number 2: Obama wins the nomination and we get FUBAR’d.

I agree Chick. Whatever his warts, McCain is not Barack Obama and that’s all I need to know.

I LOVE IT!

If people said the same things about obama and brazille that they say about others, they would immediately cry racism. It’s ok if they are racist, but other people can’t disagree at all or they get falsely labeled as such.

Thanks for your input. We promise to give it all the weight we think it deserves.

You got that one right: Nobama – NO SALE!

Well considering there was a study done on campuses, which discovered that 80% of the students score above ‘average’ on the Narcissist scale, you are more right than you imagine, just for different reasons. This is why Obama is so attractive.

But he’s the only Narcissist on the ballot, isn’t he now?

What do you think about Rep. Flake from the Arizona 6th? Not for VP but just as a Rep?

It will not be surprising to see the likes of the “gangsta rappers”, favorites of BHO, to be the “baits” for the people to come & listen to the master “gangsta” . Isn’t that what made those Berliners did to get to a free concert,provided you “faint” for BHO ?
Nothing to do on a nice day but have a good time.NOOBAMA!
Hillary or McCain ’08

Donna overall doesn’t have a very good win record.

Well extremist fascists have a hard time with people who have minds of their own.

That’s what scares me. The malaise was horrible. The Mr. Rogers lectures were horrible. It was downright depressing.

My portfolio REALLY misses him.

If there is a God in heaven . . .

crossposted at purplechiten.wordpress.com
I’m crossposted, that means I’m famous now!!! I think I’ll run for president!!

And you could have had a true Democrat who works for the American people, but since you didn’t opt for one..now you get McCain.

Wes Clark was nothing but a joke of a candidate and a rotten campaigner to boot.

Perk!

NQ apparently has 2 guests named Patti, for the record.

Patti from PA

Posted at Confluence:

ohioana, on August 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pm Said:
I don’t know where to post this, so I apologize SM that this is so off topic. Here’s the info re: the platform committee meeting held today in Cleveland.

Ack, what a day. I knew something special was going onwhen I saw the Federal Police cars parked around the hotel. There were maybe 75 people in the audience, many of whom were presenting testimony to the committee. The audience was about 10% AA.

Gov. Napolitano started the meeting off by declaring, “…we are here to set the platform for the Convention where the next president will be nominated. Barack Obama.” Well, I knew right away I wasn’t going to be enjoying myself. Gov. Napolitano informed us that in the last 10 days, 1600 platform meetings had been held in all 50 states where individuals provided information relative to deciding on the convention platform. (This was news to me. I hadn’t heard of any meetings taking place. Of course, I’m not on nobama’s email list.) The platform draft will be presented next week in Pittsburgh.

Today, representatives of various groups gave testimony to the committee. A prearranged set list. Topics covered were Energy/Economy, Health Care, Foreign Policy, Education, Civil Rights, Retirees, Women, Crime, and Farming. I developed a headache and had to leave before the Retirees, Women, Crime, and Farming presentations. I have copies of the handouts given to committee members of all the other testimony.

There wasn’t any chance to interact with committee members because of the prearranged list of persons giving testimony. So, at the break, I tried to ask Gov. Napolitano a question but she buzzed right by me saying, “I need to use the restroom.” I did corner Mayor Coleman to ask if the convention would be open, fair and legitimate and allow Sen. Clinton to be nominated. His response sickened me. He said, “The convention will be open and fair. I don’t know if Sen. Clinton being nominated would be fair” before he walked away. Yep, so now it wouldn’t be FAIR for Hillary to be nominated at the convention. No wonder I developed a headache and had to leave shortly thereafter.

If you have specific questions re: testimony from a certain presenter, let me know and I’ll pull out the key points. (gary and mawm, the woman from the Human Rights Campaign gave one of the weakest testimonies taking less than the allotted 5 minutes and only gave a 2 page handout .)

I can’t go tomorrow or Sunday so I hope someone else will be able to make it. It sounds like they will take testimony from the audience tomorrow.

Saturday, August 2
10 -12 – Listening to America Session
2-6 – Platform Drafting Committee Mtg.

Sunday, August 3
9-1 – Platform Drafting Committee Mtg.

Committee Members as appointed by Howard Dean
Gov. Janet Naploitano, Chair, AZ
U. S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin, WI
Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown, MD
Mayor Michael Coleman, Columbus, OH
U. S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, CT
Alice Germond, WV (DNC Sec.)
Gov. Jennifer Granholm, MI
Donna Harris-Aikens, VA (NEA Policy Advisor)
Heather Higgenbottom, IL (Policy Advisor)
Chris Jennings, OH (Policy Advisor – worked in Clinton administration)
Commissioner Allan Katz, Tallahassee, FL
Thea Lee, DC (Policy Advisor)
U. S. Rep. Patrick Murphy, PA
Speaker Emeritus Fabian Nunez, CA
Connie Leyva, CA (USCW)
Susan Rice, DC (Foreign Policy Advisor)
U. S. Rep. Linda Sanchez, CA
Giancarlo Sopa, FL (Youth Representative)
Ron His Horse Is Thunder, ND (Standing Rock Sioux Tribe)

**Announcement made that the Congresspersons couldn’t attend today due to duties in DC.

Persons giving testimony
Energy
- Lawrence Mishel, Economic Policy Institute
- Andrew Beebe, Energy Innovations
- Leo Gerard, United Steel Workers
-Geralyn Lutty, UFCW
- Arlene Holt Baker, AFL-CIO
- Marco Tribovich, Apollo Alliance
- Katerine Silverthorne, US Climate Action Network
- Eleanor Smeal, Feminist Majority

Health Care
- Jeanne Lambrew, Center for American Progress
- Dr. Julianne Thomas, American Academy of Pediatrics
- Mark Blume, Health Care for All
- Amy Comstock Rick, Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research

Foreign Policy
- Ira Forman, National Jewish Democratic Council
- Lawrence Korb, Center for American Progress
- Patrick Cambell, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
- Suzanne Nossel, Human RIghts Watch

Education
- Dr. John Deasy, Supt. Prince George County, MD
- Ken Kay, Partnership for 21st Century Skills

Civil Rights
- John Trasvina, National Hispanic Leadership Agenda
- Carmen Jones, Solutions Marketing Campaign
- Allison Herwitt, Human Rights Campaign
- Deepa Iyer and Professor Frank Wu, National Association of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders
- James Zogby, Arab American Institute

Did Not Hear
- Hubert Humphrey III, AARP
- Edward Coyle, Alliance for Retired Americans
- Toby Halliday, National Housing Trust
- Cecile Richard, Planned Parenthood
- Nancy Keenan, NARAL
- Dr. Jeri Milstead, Americah Association of Colleges of Nursing
- Tovah Kasdin, Women’s International
- Ann Milling, Women of the Storm
- David Steingarber, National Criminal Justice Association
- David Voth, Crime Victims Services
- Rickey Cole, Farmer and Democratic Party Official

Well personally Im glad Bill is away, in my letter to him, I did not want him to bow down to the DNC and support Obama, since the DNC made a way of making his presidency meaningless and as if he did not help the people he was elected by, and by Donna labeling him as a Raciest , which we all know it was not what was said if they DNC did not need him and felt they could carry on with out him by making him unnecessary in the work of the DNC to help Obama win the office. Who is to say that the DNC knew that he would make a statement and by his own response , say i will make a sound bite, but i will refuse to help him do anything, and by doing so left the country so he will not support with any of the fundrasing, I believe it was the Presidents own accord not to take part in this fiasco. Go Bill, stay in Africa , there is no need to bow down to the DNC to take part in helping the fairytale candidate, no experience , an empty suit who has no convictions to stand up for what is needed to help his fellow Americans. The best way to hold your head up high, and say i am part of history, , and in time Hillary will be president. I own my vote, Puma NOBAMA

Sure. You’ll be able to tell them that if you want. I probably wouldn’t take much satisfaction from it, though.

There’s a theory that the election was “rigged” by Republicans who provided Obama to the Dems as a trojan horse candidate. Somebody they knew the Democrats would trip all over themselves to embrace. At the magic moment, Republicans release everything they know about Obama.

Perhaps Obama was selected as a tool to throw the fight? He may not be aware of how he’s being used, hence the arrogance.

After the last 8 yrs and two bizarre elections, I don’t dismiss any possibilities anymore.

Sorry, but they do not provide a link to this supposed NYT article.
I don’t believe it exists.

I am hugely critical of the NYT rotten coverage of HRC, and their willingness to destroy their own reputation to become an Obama sycophant, but I have not seen the NYT state this.

If it actually did, please provide a link directly to the article.

Thanks-

That is not a link to a NYT article.
And your link does not have such a link.
I do not believe that the NYT said this.

I think they are all afraid of Bill and what he might do and say at the Convention. I think he should demand to be there. He has more than earned that right. He is a a political powerhouse unto his own. GO BILL GO!

ABC is a fine organization.
They support the great NYC art museums. NBC does not.

Maybe our FL sunshine baked his brain.

Big Dawg is in Africa where he goes every summer to help the Blacks dying of AIDS. Chelsea is with him. Is that racist?
He raises funds to help and then personally shows up in Africa to check on the progress…LEAVE BIG DAWG ALONE. He only got a blow job from a sexy intern. He didn’t have a secret partner mistress on the side that he pays $15,000/mo. for child support.
Obama and his campaign CROSSED THE LINE. They drug Big Dawgs wife and their stellar reputation through hell with lies and filth.
Big Dawg needs to tell Obama to blow hinself.

Interesting to me is the NY State Dem website has no endorsement of Obama. They had on that they would endorse a candidate after the Primary.

Its all about local races, and re election for the Govenor. Cant call him the accidental govenor. That would be racist.

I do know Senator Clinton won all but 1 county on February 5th..

Ny and Albany are wierd..

Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile can all go straight to hell.

Hopefully, he won’t even get to retain that senate seat.

You have no idea what you are saying or what new world order is.

Forget #2. #1 sounds marvelous. I think you are right.

All the cities across America should hold a free youth kegger to be held all night long so they kids will sleep through election day.

This Patti disagrees. I don’t think Bill was off his game at all. He was undermined. He spoke to us about it in PA.

The attendees at his small-town campaign rallies during the primaries campaign were pretty much a cross-section, including both white collar and blue collar, all races, and all ages.” James

Accept the facts that during the primaries and deceitful caucuses, Obama was only known for his empty rhetoric. Currently, he is being unmasked by his own greediness for fame & power. His being too narcissus is SO ANNOYING and TOO BORING for intelligent people.People are suspecting he has a personality disorder, for being too absorb to himself. Too weird for a presidential candidate. Do you want to have a POTUS who only cares for himself? His judgement is based from over a dozen advisers. Can’t he make his own, besides adoring himself? He likes to manipulate the youth by making them think they are like him, drug user,victim of a irresponsible father,raised by a woman married twice,has siblings (same dad) by different mothers,has a half-sister (same mom),has identity problem,has trouble remembering, etc,at his young age, he is feeling/acting he has already “senior moments”.
James, for the sake of our country, vote for Hillary or McCain ’08. America deserves the BEST!!!

WTF is this?
No wonder the NY Times stock price has plunged.
This is beyond the BS that Fox put out for Bush.

Bob-he did not win. He lost. He stopped the FL & MI delegate count which would have made Hillary the nominee if there was a full count. Now that he is the presumptive nominee by stopping the FL & MI delegate count, he suddenly wants to seat them in full and count them all now?…and we are supposed to vote for this jackass???
Fook NO!

Well I guess we have two people named Patti posting on this site. Hi Patti from New York. I’m Patti from Pennsylvania. Nice to meet you.

Jesse Jackson is ashamed of Obama.

It is completely unfortunate that Barack Obama is so arrogant, he cannot even be humble enough to count his good fortune and reach out to — and thank — the Clintons and include them in every way possible.

The DNC put their fingers on the scales to tip this is Obama’s favor every step of the way. No sensible reading of the situation could deny this. The media horror show Hillary, and by extension, Bill, were subjected to also helped Obama. The DNC was the third part of this trine, offering Obama political cover while standing silent while Hill and Bill were unfairly trashed. Pelosi and Brazile did a lot of the trashing themselves, in fact.

Obama’s whole egotistical world would come crashing down, I fear, were he to admit any of this.

Bill Clinton is a brilliant mind and one of our most successful Presidents. That Barack is too proud and profane to pick up the phone is idiotic, and shortsighted, never mind arrogant. The Clintons are belovede by millions. Obama ignores this fact at his peril, and to his great detriment.

No one does this job alone. Bill Clinton has so much wisdom to impart and the tactics Obama, Axelrod and Co. employed entitle the Clintons to a host of apologies at the very least. Obama is in over his head and he is clueless as to how deep in he actually is.

Hubris will not serve him. This strikes me as the height of insecurity. A man secure in himself, with true confidence would not hesitate to reach out.

There is a big difference between a big smile, coupled with false bravado, and someone with a steady, quiet resolve. He himself says he is a “symbol” — fine. If he actually wants to govern, even he must realize he has a lot to learn. Anybody would. There is no shame in admitting that. The shame is in someone pretending they have all the answers when they are woefully uninformed.

Shutting out Bill Clinton, and continually being dismissive of Hillary will only add to the divide in this country and the party.

Certainly Bill Clinton, no matter how good a President, has his personal flaws. They have been all too well recounted — ad nauseum in fact.

I wonder if Senator Obama, too, has a need to self-destruct. He is certainly doing that now.

As a former Clarkie, I see the same trend…I guess all those reports about him being called the “Perfumed Prince” while at the Pentagon were true. He is interested in promoting himself and hooks into anything or anyone that he thinks will get him ahead.

I really have been VERY disappointed in Clark. He’s got the brains, but like Obama, has a real problem with his personality…

YUP!

Hillary already has the support of tons of youth. Just not the thug types. They were instrumental in her campaign and setting up the rally venues state to state. They were joyous and free. I have tons of pics of youth for Hillary and they all are fresh faced bright kids. Not the druggie types…excuse me!

Naw mate, it was all that blow…”never heroin”.

I’d be more afraid of Hillary. She has eyes behind her head and a way to look to the future without the depressing noose people tried to tie around her neck. She can out think anyone even Big Dawg. She who laughs last laughs best.. tic toc, tic toc

He lost his sparkle for turning his back on the Clintons.
Anyone else see the picture here..turn on the Clintons and the people will turn on you!!!!

what ab idiot…Obama is the dumbest person ever to run for anything.

It’s unheard of to deny the popular vote winner (or even any male contender) a spot on the ballot at the convention, too.

I don’t think BO internalizes anything. He is a reflection in his mirror.

So you agree that insulting the supporters of your opponent is a bad idea? You may need them someday? Do you hear youself?

He brought it home for Hillary in the rural areas of every state. What you talkin about?

Obama is Bush, but McCain ain’t?

That kinda falls apart when you compare Bush and McCain policies, doesn’t it? I mean, how do you account for a McCain voting record that supported Bush presidential policy 95% of the time? Or a McCain platform that’s pretty much a Bush policy continuation?

How many times do I have to repeat “Obama is Bush, but McCain ain’t” to myself before the fact that Buh and McCain stand for the same things fades away?

Will there be any unpleasant side-effects?

Will I, for instance, suddenly become incapable of distinguishing obnoxious frat boys incapable of changing their minds about anything from magnum cum laude constitutional law scholars who occasionally do?

Hello Patti..

We also seem to like noon oclock…
What part of PA ?

Hank you’re right.

And also beebop mentioned an article in the national review by Stanley Kurtz. Link here;

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDkyZTNiZDdkMTNiNzViZTYxNDU0MTY4MzMzMzNmZDU=&w=MA==

It explains a lot.

“… Give me 50 Pflegers or 50 Wrights, Obama is saying, tie them to a network of grassroots activists like my companions from Acorn, and we can revolutionize urban politics.

Mystery Solved
So it would appear that Obama’s own writings solve the mystery of why he stayed at Trinity for 20 years. Obama’s long-held and decidedly audacious hope has been to spread Wright’s radical spirit by linking it to a viable, left-leaning political program, with Obama himself at the center. The revolutionizing power of a politically awakened black church is not some side issue, or merely a personal matter, but has been the signature theme of Obama’s grand political strategy.

Lucky for Obama, this political background is unfamiliar to most Americans. There are others who share Obama’s approach, however. Take a look at this piece by Manhattan Institute scholar Steven Malanga on “The Rise of the Religious Left,” and you will see exactly where Obama is coming from. Malanga ends his account by noting that religious-left activists often partner with groups like MoveOn.org and attend gatherings featuring speakers like Michael Moore. After the 2004 election, there was some talk of the Democratic party “purging” MoveOn and Moore. Far from purging its radical Left, however, the Democratic party is now just inches away from placing it in the driver’s seat. That is the real meaning of the fiasco at Trinity Church.” by Stanley Kurtz

They are just dangerous.

I think they’re doing drugs. They have to be.

Out of curiosity, has anyone on this site been polled?

Just wondering how these polling services pick their samples.

The skinheads have a plan for Barky. They have been drooling and can’t wait for the right moment. London mafia too.

My take, Bill can’t stand Obama and Bill is the one who has no interest in doing anything for BO. My spouse ran for election, he has no animosity to those who said terrible things about him, but boy I do, and it has been 2 years. Spoused don’t forget or forgive.

anyone ever heard of the “New Democrat Party”?
It was started by a woman in the Senate. NDP.com I think. or NDNCP..google new democrat party.
Puma party is really good though. It has meaning.

Even the Bush girls have more accomplishments than Obama especially Jenna Bush. And she is only Chelseas age. She’s even written a book about it. The book wasn’t about herself either. It was about those suffering in third world countries who have aids, that she visited. She went into dangerous neighborhoods at night trying to save black woman dying…What’s Obama done for the blacks? Who is the racist? Anyway, Jenna never even revealed she was the daughter of the most powerful man un USA. No. Only Obama has an ego as big as the universe and a resume the size of a postage stamp…Hurry..let’s get rid of him.

Bill Clinton said something like “let me know what I can do for you”. We all know that Bill could collect tons of money for Obama, all he has to do is a fundraiser. Bill is happy to walk away. Good for him. Obama is a disgrace.

Serial killer Ted Bundy had charisma too when he murdered over 300 women.

Dream on. We have serious problems here and are losing our party. dream on.

You don’t seem to understand, Obama is destroying the Democratic party and if he elected he destroys the country.

The only logical approach is to destroy Obama.

Your Governor is a crook. Not only that, she is in MEchelles back pocket and under her unity umbrella.

OT: MSNBC is ranting (olbermann, who else) that McCain’s comparing Obama to two famous white women is racist.

Hillary’s a racist. Bill is a racist. McCain is a racist. Anyone not supporting Obama is a racist.

Get over yourselves. People are getting tired of any criticism of Obama being called racist.

Maybe if Obama would apologize to the former President for calling him a racist he might be willing to help.

Obama is my last choice and I am dealing with it.

Kerry made the same mistake.

But having run against the “politics of the 90s”, and smeared both Clintons as sleazy, corrupt and racist, how can Obama use Clinton now?

Dissing Bill Clinton after all the crap Big Dawg took from the republican party during his two terms? Bad move. BOBO may as well bend over and kiss his own ass goodbye right now and save himself all the heart ache of losing in November.

“They might remember who Obama was about three years into the McCain term. Obama might be remembered as the chance that got away.”

The chance for what? Third world status? Once Obama gets defeated he is gone for good — and good riddance.

“Plot the 41% drop in the value of the dollar since Bush took office, and extrapolate the trend 4 years into the future…”

Go back to the Carter years and determine the misery index, then project in forward to present year at the same rate, then multiply it by the number of states Obama thinks there are, then raise it to the power of the total pounds of pressure in 4 standard tires and you will have the misery index of the Obama years.

Donkey Brazille is an angry hating racist who wears a rats nest on her head.
She is good for shet. She has no accomplishments of her own. She needs a kick in the pants and a one way ticket to a far off island. Of all people talking about Bill. He’s the one who gave her an opportunity to have a better life. She’s a turd.

“Obama is Bush, but McCain ain’t?”

Obama wants you to learn Spanish and you have not yet learned English. But Obama has not learned Spanish either, he just wants to bark orders and have all the suckers fall in line.

Everyone who has dissed Bill Clinton has ended up on the scrap heap of politics or worse.

Something went wrong with your brain if you are supporting Obama over McCain.

exactly, a chasm, and that’s how the BOBOweenies saw it back in the primaries. With BOBO’s falling poll numbers suddenly they realize they need us. LOL they should have thought about that back before the SC primary when they thought it was a great idea to tar us all as racists (yeah yeah , that’s the ticket). Needless to say, that was a really bad move and ah, sorry but ah…fuck them and I’m having a difficult, if not impossible time reconciling with BOBO’s and his BOBOweenies monumental douche baggery.

Oh, and Bill Dear, before you come back to the states, could you do all of your admirers a favor please?
Go over to Germany with Chelsea and visit those troops that Obama snubbed and turned his back on. They’d really love someone from the states with a high profile to visit them and bring them HOPE. Thanks Big Dawg. Well see you back in October.

as well they should.

don’t worry, we won’t remember BOBO.

All this means is that they are running scared of the polls. It finally hit them that it is THEM turning people off.

Well fucking DUH!!!

They harrassed and offended all during the Primary and they’ve been at it even after Hillary suspended her campaign. Now it has to spelled out for them. But trust me, they’re assholes and they won’t learn.

It’s too late suckers.

You all blew it months ago. No need to try to start behaving now.

You can’t make silk purses out of sow’s ears.

Yeah it’s kinda funny that attitude didn’t apply to Hillary’s supporters.

I will never forgive Obama for playing the race card against Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did more for African Americans than Obama ever did. In fact, what has Obama done for AAs?

Changing your mind and adopting your opponent’s policies are two different things. FISA anyone?

I would love it if Bill made a stop in Germany and visited the troops! Perfect!

Sorry, but that was the msm spin. And they spun that and spun that until the cows came home.

That’s what the msm is good for. Brainwashing the public until it accepts their spin.

Fuck that!

Obama’s camp played the race card. There was a memo published proving it.

It stunned Bill, Hillary and a lot of us. It was a sucker punch. And that will knock the wind out of the best of us. When you add to that the msm’s complicity in this farce, the Clintons were caught in a rock and hard place country where suddenly the community that they had worked a lifetime building good relations went up in smoke.

And frankly, the AA community, and I’m one, wasn’t very nice about their rejection of the Clintons. They didn’t even have the fairness to check out the quotes to see if what was said was true. I did, which is why I know what really happened.

Bill was not off his game.

They were set up.

And sadly, it worked.

Exactly why I became a Reagan Democrat!

Deja-Vu

RepublicanChick:

Sarah Palin seems quite good. She’s at the edge of the center & the conservative right but seems smart and reasonable. The Alaska-DNC however is making “Impeachment” noices b/c of some dismissal of her former brother in law (long time divorced from her sister). How would this affect she being selected?

I don’t think that Bill Clinton was “off his game” as much as he was shell-shocked at the disloyalty shown to him and Hillary by so many Democrats for whom they had campaigned and raised money, or plain and simply gave them their start in politics. I find it rather ironic that the same Dems who turned their backs on the Clintons are now insisting on our loyalty to Barack Obama. Seems they never learned from that old adage about people learning from what you do, not what you say. If Hillary is not the nominee, my loyalty will go to McCain so fast it’ll make their heads spin. After all, they gave me the lessons on loyalty during the primary, and I will not forget.

Yes, it was a well-written piece. One has to wonder what she drew from since she was 2 years old when BC entered the WH, and 10 when he left. It’s hard to find the credibility behind it based on her age range during the time she says she so vividly recalls, though it was a good essay.

Hospitalized with pneumonia.

I’d send flowers, but us ‘hoes are cheap and can’t be bothered.

Get well sometime, Bernie.

Why wouldn’t Hillary praise McCain? He was one of the few that actually publicly defended her during the primaries.

The Democrats? Not so much.

Sad to say, but I do too. I never thought I could dislike anyone as much as I do GWB, but after they crucified Hillary and Bill, BHO is on the top of my shit list.

Hillary or McCain ’08!!!

Well you don’t expect Obama to keep his word, do you?

He is THE ONE. THE ONE transcends such silly things as keeping your word.

Oy.

Well it looks like Hillary was right. She said in the video that she wouldn’t be nominated.

She knows what’s going on behind the scenes and knows the fix is in. I doubt she’ll even be on the ballot.

I had a feeling that this ‘Party Unity’ stuff was smoke and mirrors.

Sigh.

Personally, I think that Obama has a guilty conscience. Obama knows what HIS campaign did to Bill Clinton, and it probably makes him ill at ease around the much more affable Bill Clinton. Obama’s punk ass is comparable to a pimple on Bill Clinton’s ass. Bill Clinton would outshine Obama at every turn, and Obama could not have that.

I am glad that Bill (and Hillary somewhat) have not gone out of their way to help Obama. Obama thinks that everyone is in awe of him which is just another example of his delusional arrogance.

The latest poll put John McCain and Obama in a dead heat. A little more presumptuousness on Obama’s part, and I think that we can see McCain overtake Obama in the polls. People are waking up to Obama’s image versus the reality, and the emperor Obama truly has no clothes.

I’d rather vote for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck for the whitehouse, at least i know who they are!!!!! lol

White House

The answer to that would be – little to nothing.

Gang violence in Chicago is out of control. The state of Illinois is having serious budget problems.

The Illinois government is riddled with corruption.

A little boy was killed by a falling gate in public housing. The slumlord, who received taxpayer money, couldn’t be bothered to fix it.

Now you would think that Obama, as an Illinois Senator, would be addressing these types of problems.
But he doesn’t have time. He’s too busy running for President.

This is the person that’s going to fix America and the world?

Donkey kick for uh ba=bye

carol — Damn Right — Obama the Uniter has destroyed the Democratic Party because of his own jealousy and greed. Oh the stories Bill Clinton could tell and will as soon as Obama loses. In the end Obama who has dissed every constituancy in the Democratic Party will end up alone. Success has 1,00 fathers — failure stands alone.

And if they want cheerleaders, let Axelrod get out there with the pom-poms. Or Donna Brazilla. Or Pelosi.

LOL spare us the video no thanks!
The thought of those cheerleading with pom poms is more than the mind can take…

katmoon – Obama is so full of hate which is not surprising as his pals and his wife are filled with hate too. To those fat cats who gave Obama tons of money — you backed a loser. One minute he is The Second Coming, the next he is the victim of racism and everyone is out to get him. For a while we thought you were interesting and now we know you’re just irritating. So we PUMA’s are in good company–joining us under the bus is Bill Clinton and there is no one I would rather be under that bus with.

Republican Chick ^5

Bill should consider himself lucky. At least there is dignity in being shunned; there is none in being used to advance the Barackification of America. Obama is a user. Unless you can do something for him, it’s under the bus. Even the previously worshipful press is beginning to catch on to the games he plays. The One gets mad AND gets even.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=22bce6f2-d835-4bd6-96c5-6b1da0b334dd

james when you are running for President you need every constituancy in your party if you want to win. Obama turns off everyone he touches. He is becoming more toxic by the day. We PUMA’s saw this coming–before November even people like you will finally get it.

james — If you consider Obama a viable candidate thats your problem. I would rather vote Republican for the first time in my life then go along with this trouble maker.

uppity — So The Democrats will preach party unity while they destroy the party. Can’t wait for Bill to give us the real lowdown on what went on in my former party.

james — give it a rest — you’re selling a dog that won’t hunt. Who is going to be swayed by you — better people than you have tried but we will not vote for this ignorant arrogant fool. Got the message?

Arrogant and completely ignorant to treat a former 2-term president that way! Not even going into Clinton being a powerhouse dem and the husband of most-popular-candidate-ever…

If Obama isn’t a big enough man to talk to Bill, how are we supposed to imagine him “talking to enemies”??

The further Bill and Hillary Clinton are from Barack Obama.. the better.. this guy is poison.

It’s okay. Obama doesn’t even deserve to be on the same stage as Bill Clinton. Backtrack can kiss Hillary’s and Bill’s ass!

You know, that’s a good point. Backtrack just might have a guilty conscience. His campaign painted Bill as this giant racist, kkk person, and it’s the farthest thing from the truth, and the American voters know this.

I mean seriously, Bill Clinton a racist? come on.

Throughout the 90′s, he was called the first Black president, and along comes Backtrack and overnight, Bill is a racist?

The Clintons should stay far, far away from Obama.

He is a sinking ship not to mention the fact that he is downright evil.

I believe the Clinton’s were stunned by Obama playing the race card because they gave Obama start up money when he ran for the Senate. All he had to do was stay in the Senate one full term before running for the Presidency. Obama promised that he would but he lied.

Phil — that is utter crap. Wonder how you would take it if everything you stood for was trashed and your reputation was destroyed. Bill Clinton got sucker punched by this fraud and the Howard Dean run DNC. Those of us in the Democratic Party base were sucker punched as well by a party telling us after years of working for every Dem Candidate that we can stay home — they can win without us.

katmoon — the media can be held responsible. We have an FCC. There are laws which state in order to be a news outlet you have to do the news and not backfence gossip. Give the FCC teeth and let them do their job.

neophyter — I think Bill and Hillary Clinton will form a 3rd Party if the likes of Donna Brazile and Howard Dean continue to control the Democratic Party.

patti — the state parties are very nervous. They are hearing from their constituants who are furious about what the National Party has done and they are trying to minimize the damage by promoting only local candidates.

just what I was thinking

I call bullsh*t on this!
Wes Clark enhusiastically endorsed Hillary and campaigned for her. He “endorsed” BO because he is the “presumptious” nominee. As a new Democrat (he joined the party in ’03) he didn’t have much choice, if he was ever going to have any influence in the Dem Party. Same thing when he “endorsed” Kerry in ’04. It’s only because they are “Democrats.”
So get off Wes Clark’s back. He’s been thrown under the bus by BO and Kerry.

What is really so sad is that, with his history with AAs, he should feel the need to say anything. There has been too much fall out and too many hurt by BOs willingness to use race baiting to win a campaign, but he couldn’t have all that community loving and supporting the Clintons and have a hope of winning the nomination. He is dispicable because he is really offering them nothing in return. The Clintons were true friends.

Maybe they can hold a seance and channel Ronnie.

It’s not difficult to make up your mind about the past if you have a point of reference. My daughter is a huge fan of the Beatles. They had stopped recording together before her second birthday. When she was twleve, I gave her all my old albums (she still has them)and she judged them on the body of work. Their music. Bill Clinton will stand with the great presidents and there is nothing anyone can do to change that legacy.

We need to start a petition to bring Ted the Terrible back, we at least deserve a first rate jerk.

please give me a break U would like gore rt now are u insane i like my name not some mid-east name like saddam or something like that

Busloads of college aged kids were brought in to attend those rock concerts and to intimidate voters. Yes, there were AAs and a few others from different demographics, but the majority were kids just like Berlin. Free music, free food and free beer. What fun.

nor platform …

nor principles …

nor plan for America’s betterment — just his own.

It’s gonna be mighty strange at Invesco Field when the only Democratic President who has won two terms and had the highest approval rating as he left the White House than any other Democrat in history and with a wife who won the majority of popular vote. MIA Bill and Hillary.

James, go to SmartVote.org and check out the number of votes BO has missed since he became a senator. Kinda hard to make comparisons when he didn’t vote almost 50% of the time.

Wes Clark has committed a lot of blood and sweat into getting democrats elected around the country. From fund rasing to personal appearances etc..

I won’t follow the call to support Obama either but the personal attacks on Clark are completely out of line.

I’m not sure he could win that. Harrison Ford does a nice job … Not to mention Martin Sheen.

Bill could have delivered Arkansas for Gore.

But you had no problem with it being an anti-Clinton message, right?

What was your word … Stunning!

Absolutely right on. I haven’t seen any coverage in ages of any of the Washington Boys out there campaigning for him. Why should she clean up after his messes?

bwahahahaha…Ann Kornblut can kiss my ass.

This article is typical of Kornblut, theatrical insinuation, dripping with drama, and not a fact to be seen. Even the cigar was included–another one of Kornblut’s cheap theatrical tricks. For anyone who has seen Kornblut’s embarrassing presence on talk shows, this is a continuation of the inane and irrelevant contributions she makes. She really is one of the worst journalists imaginable, never presenting new information, but taking other’s work and re-presenting it with a twist of drama. I can’t believe these people get paid for their tripe.

Shirley Chisholm had integrity and compassion! I remember her well.

BO,no integrity! No compassion!

This quote from Bill in the Washington Post piece stood out to me:

“Next year, you and I and everybody else will be freer and have more space to say what we believe to be the truth” about the primaries, he said.

Seems Bill is predicting defeat for Obama, in such a climate everyone would be free to discuss openly what happened during the primaries, how it was unfair and resulted in the weaker candidate being selected.

Bob,
Stop the sexist crap. Be more original and less piggish in your comments about females.

Send this to O’Reilly Please!

James, get lost. The insults by your crew of clowns didn’t work, and this new technique (did you get those marching orders from that fucking nitwit at Kos, perchance?), of passing your rabid selves off as “reasonable,” isn’t working either.

Thin line? Thin line, my ass. You don’t call my candidate a cunt and a bitch, and then toss a “thin line” at me. ASSHOLE. That’s not a thin line–it’s a CHASM. Get that through your pea-brain, ya cultist tool.

Obama is a flipflopping liar, who wants to flush NASA, flush your civil liberties (hello…FISA!), doesn’t like “WASHINGTON” lobbyists, so if they move to VA or MD, they’re just fine, he’s a racebaiter, a panderer, and an idiot. And if you paid attention, you’d know that.

You are here for one reason, and one reason only–to disrupt. And the reason you are doing that is because you are AFRAID. You see your hero tanking in the polls, you see Americans from sea to shining sea rejecting the bullshit and lies this guy spouts, and you see all your hard work trying to pass off this bullshitter as something of substance going down the tubes, and you are FRIGHTENED.

As you should be–your candidate sucks, he’s an empty suit, every day he shows himself to be more unprepared, more lacking in judgment, more of a crook, and more of an unscrupulous, prevaricating opportunist.

Cognitive dissonance may prevent you from seeing that you’ve backed a well-tanned greedy, selfish, corporate tool in “D” clothing, but that’s not our problem. Smart people admit when they’re wrong, but you, apparently, don’t have sufficient insight to see that you’ve backed a broken down crooked donkey, not a racehorse.

No amount of bullshit from your team is going to change hearts or minds, because you cannot make the sale when you don’t have the product.

Capisce?

Don’t let it hit ya…loser.

The “O” is a stupid creep that will never stop and ask for directions! He may stay in the drivers seat… but I sure as “HAIL” won’t ride with him! How many refugees will Canada take? Rough winters, but our country is beyond belief right now!

Let me be succinct: You are an idiot. You fell for it and you’re an idiot. You’re also a troll, but that’s another story.

Yes indeed…we’ll wipe, then flush!

Well, Olbermann shacking up with a kid almost young enough to be his granddaughter is … perverse. So we’d probably be well advised to not take our cues as to what’s socially acceptable or valid from that idiot. When someone is older than their girlfriend’s father, there’s something awry there–and it might have something to do with the maturity level of the insecure fool with the young (OOOOH, help me get into broadcasting, KO) squeeze.

Consider the source. You get shit from a cow’s ass–you don’t ever expect ice cream. Olbermann started believing his own press some time ago; he’s turned into an insufferable buffoon, a twisted, sick parody that looks very slightly like Murrow but acts like a brain damaged, self-righteous and intolerant ass. He really is the precise media opposite of that other idiot over on Fox, Dild O’Really.

Like when I was called racist, stupid, ignorant, bitter, etc by O’s CAMPAIGN people not just supporters.

You may need them someday? Yes you will.

You need us more than we need you

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Loved seeing Bill on tv saying that after the election is over he will be more forthcoming. Now I’ll set my DVR for that interview and save it for years!

She can out think anyone even Big Dawg

I wouldn’t want to piss her off too much. Remember Bill’s “scrapes” from wrestling with Chelsea?????

If you have ever met her she is intimidating, focused, driven, no bullshit, caring, compassionate, brilliant, and blessed with common sense.

She who laughs last laughs best.. tic toc, tic toc

TIC TOCK…………..TIC TOCK……………

Amen…….

Actually that is something I would like the country to see. See what his brownshirts are really all about.

HRC in ’08 as POTUS (NO VP, NO WAY NO HOW)

Obama’s rejection of the Clinton is understandable, given that the Obama crowd has shown the usual arrogance of success.

What puzzles me greatly, though, is that the Clinton Democrats have been wooed by neither the Obama camp nor the McCain camp. Perhaps that day will come in September and October when that demographic is truly needed.

The “estrangement” of Bill Clinton is bogus, though. It is largely a creation of the press who, unabashedly supporting Obama, needed to demonize the man who pointed out the obvious. I still see it in the article you referenced with the editorial reference to “McAuliffe, the ubiquitous Clinton cheerleader”, the men watching Obama on TV and the kid with the Obama T-shirt. That was product placement, either purposeful or unconscious.

I’d vote for unconscious because collectively the press has been speculating on just what keeps McCain airborne in this campaign. He should be road kill like Hillary, slain by The Chosen One. Instead he keeps on going and this is driving the press nuts. They are apparently so compartmentalized that they cannot grasp the obvious.

The obvious conclusion is that McCain has been able to point out that The Chosen One is a media construct with a cult following. This has not done McCain any great favor but if those of you who are not math-challenged will see that while the gap between the two candidates is unchanged, their numbers are both DECLINING and the number of undecided are INCREASING.

My opinion on this is that McCain has been able to cast that seed of doubt. Those with a superficial grasp of politics but not utterly committed are having second thoughts. Somehow, like bin Laden, the WMD, the fall of the USSR, the dot com bubble and Enron, this is under the media’s radar.

FALSE!

According to the U.S. Congress votes database, John McCain missed voting 63.3% of the time, missing a total of 399 senate votes and casting only 231 during the 110th Congress. McCain didn’t bother to vote 63.3% of the time.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, missed only 44.8% of all votes during the 110th Congress. He missed 282 votes, and voted 348 times. Obama cast his vote 151 times more than John McCain.

Obama voted significantly more than 50% of the time. McCain a lot less. As a matter of fact, John McCain missed more votes than any other prominent United States Senator. John McCain is at the very top of the voting truancy list.

Those are the facts–according to the official count of the U.S. Congress. Check for yourself. The Washington Post maintains a convenient link to the congressional votes database:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

It’s not my fault if someobody won’t listen to the facts. It would be my fault if I failed to state them clearly.

I’ll at least know I tried, if the republicans manage to bamboozle the voters a third time in a row.

Some might argue that a little flexibility on positions that constitute sticking points is an effective means of moving one’s entire agenda forward, and of actually getting things done.

Some might also argue that a willingness to change positions when polls consistently suggest that a majority of the voters don’t agree with your original position is responsiveness to the will of the people.

Only in your dopey world. In the real world, it is called flip-flopping. Oblahblah states his positions, castigates the opponent, and then takes that opponent’s position.

That is called flip-flopping, Dudley.

Now go away obamatron, you really need to get further instructions from the bot of the day.

The O tries so very hard to be as smart a politician as Bill, but it isn’t possible, he hasn’t the intelligence, the experience or the capability to be anything more than a faux minister-like figure, placed by the party as “fill in the blank” representation. Representation of what, I have no clue, neither does he. I do know people in this country are smarter than they have been given credit for. As a reminder, when the spin makes you dizzy, it doesn’t matter how many registered voters come from the younger groups, the sheer volume of registered voters over the age of 50 is 41%, half of the Americans who voted in 2006 were over the age of 50, 50+ adults account for 45% of U.S. consumer spending, and by 2011 the American 50+ population will surpass the 100 million mark. There is strength in numbers.
Not smart to ignore or classify this group in any way shape or form.

I should have added above, voter fraud will be rampant and obvious if you start seeing numbers of voter types that aren’t possible. If you have more younger voters than matches the actual population of that group, etc., well you know there has to be some crap going on.

Bill Clinton did s much for the Black people in this country. I feel badly that he an HILLARY have been slurred by the race card and degraded. Hillary is faring better than Bill because she has been forced(it seems) to fall into line; for whatever reason?? The Obama camp may have damaged Bill more than we are hearing and IT HURTS. With the Obamamania has come a total disregard for Civil Rights and work for the Black community and NO GRATITUDE or anything. Obama, like Malcolm X has claimed it a failure. Something very strange is overshadowing democratic politics today. It is so frightening because when empathy and decent respect no longer matter government is playing a different tune. Marxism? Dictatorship? What is going on ? Does higher taxes=reparations?

First of all Bill is a MAN. Obama is a smart-ass punk. It probably took Axelrod to explain to the idiot Obama what Bill meant when he said “let me know what I can do for you”. It means “F— you punk you are on your own.”

When a man like Clinton really wants to help you, he comes with half a dozen ideas and says “You pick the ones you like and I’m there for you.”

Does Obama really think the Big Dog is going to grovel for him like all those half-wit super-delegates he has bought?

Oblowme is oblivious to interpersonal connections and communications. If it isn’t about him, he isn’t interested. His people skills are zero. He just talks a lot and says very little. He seems aloof but he is just a self-centered doofus.

Please feel free to disregard any future posts that you might see from me. Reading them is probably a total waste of your time.

Reasonable argument works only with reasonable people. Facts are only relevant to those willing to consider them. Sorry, but that’s all I have to offer, and that’s obviously not what you’re interested in.

BTW, I hadn’t seen those DailyKos suggestions until someone thoughtfully posted them here. They strike me as being dead on target. Some could profit greatly from paying particular attention to the last two paragraphs. If you have valid points to make and hope to persuade someone of their validity, that’s the way to go about it. Insulting people that you hope to pursuade simply isn’t effective. Ask anyone who’s been successful at anything.

when is techdude going to release the name of the person who’s birth certificate was used as Barry’s? someone larry claims is very well known.

And don’t forget JMac’s adopted Bangladesh daughter, Bridget.
does Barry even know?

“Never murder your opponent while he is committing suicide.”
winston chruchill

Save the mind games, hypocrite. Why don’t you go back in time and tell yourself and your fellow Obama worshippers to practice what you preach.

And don’t start crying for “reason” after you did everything possible to crush that very thing during the primaries.

You should seek therapy for your unreasonable arrogance. Then you can come back and apologize for treating the Clintons and those who supported them like trash.

I’ve never been opposed to the Clintons. I voted for Bill in two elections and supported Hillary through the primaries. The only thing I’m opposed to is the destruction of the democratic party–which is being done under the guise of opposition to its current presumptive nominee–and the election of yet another republican, who obviously represents a continuation of the same policies and positions promoted for 8 years by George W. Bush.

Anyone who has a clear understanding of how the republicans brought down Gore and Kerry to steal the 2000 and 2004 elections should be able to grasp what the republicans are up to in 2008.

The low-ball tactics that Obama supporters are constantly accused of are actually the tactics of those attempting to destroy Obama and the democratic party. They’re the tactics of those who are making the accusations. So don’t try to lecture me about hypocricy.

Who’s been running a series of personal attack ads on national television? It hasn’t been the Barack Obama campaign. Which blogs and forums are fizzing with fear and loathing of the opposing candidate, and of all of his supporters, and cranking out endless streams of rumor and unfounded allegation about the opposing candidate? Not the Barack Obama blogs and forums.

James,

Why do you think that lying will help your candidate?

A quick journey through the archives of KOS and the Huffpo is the strongest example of a fear and loathing attack based on endless streams of Republican and Obama Camp developed rumor and unfounded allegations that has occurred in this campaign. Also, non-Obama democarats were barred from these sites.

Senator Obama, his campaign (e.g. Clyburn, J.J.J.), and his supporters set the bar for dirty tricks. You are receiving blowback. Your complaint reminds me of the lawyer who tries to defend the boy who murdered his parents by asking for mercy because he is an orphan.

You broke it. You bought it. You own it. In other words, suck it up, Buttercup.

Steven

Why no one is taking on OPERAH???, She is responsible for Obama “succes”!!! take on HER< You fergot what She did, take You anger on Operah!!!

You are right, and We all know, tha Clintons are doing what is wright , and they are not done. Obama mess with wrong people.
Bill and Hillary, I am just hoping, that You wont become one of those liars in DNC. Dont let them run You around their finger!!!!

Actually, all Bill–and all of us–have to do is wait for BO to do himself in–unfettered hubris can do that, you know.

Actually, GWB is . . . but BO is squarely in GWB’s company.

When Obama speaks at the convention–or when anyone of his admires speaks on stage–we who are dissenting from the Pod Dem Party should just go into a “seig heil”(sp?) posture.

I think this sign of protest would go far in making our point quite nicely at the convention. Perhaps we could also wear brown T-shirts as an ironic gesture.

Scarborough and Buchanan used to hate Mrs. Clinton, but fell in love with her and admired her once they saw what character, strength, and intelligence she demonstrated during the primaries. At times they seemed to stumble all over themselves in their admiration and newly-found affection for her. Indeed, they saw her as the peoples’ candidate.

Yeah, Amazon still hasn’t mailed my copy of POSTMODERN OBAMA.

COALITION PARTY sounds good to me! But New Democratic Party is also good since Bill’s “third way” politics of the 90s were also referred to as the New Democratic way.

STOP it, Sprout! Don’t even utter that word here! Don’t let them/yourself turn you into something you say you’re not!

Please, argue your points on the merits, but don’t let yourself go to the dark side . . . .

The question is who is behind the GOP and the Dems to want such a scenario to play out?

Also, check out Ned Beatty’s great speech in NETWORK; and you must see/review THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR, which showcases the internecine battles within the intelligence “community.”

Thank you, Bob!