We have yet to push the EU and watch and see what happens here. There is movement on Capitol Hill but we need to see how far both Senate  and House Internatioal Relations Committes go…..

Besides your missing he point. fully body scanners would be nice, but as long as they are providing a multi-layer security screen using the mags and explosive detection devises as well as profiling (and yeah we DO profile) piror to boarding and that means ALL passenagers, the riskd should be manageable…..

11.5 million people fly in and out of Israel every year. Relative to their population it is far greater than people flying in the U.S. and they have been in a state of war since their inception – the U.S. has not.

“There is no proof that it works. Terrorist will always find a way around it.”

Israel proves that intelligent profiling does work. Period. Terrorists canot find a way around it. You should first get some information correct before bloviating. And if you don’t like your rights being violated then you can always take the bus.

No way you would be able to do this with the U.S. were there are billions of passenger trips every year.

Good luck.

Richard Reid had a history we did not know is precisely the point. Profiling only gets you so far.

Profiling is largely likely to be a waste of time. There is no proof that it works. Terrorist will always find a way around it. It usually results in us looking in the wrong places and wasting our time.

There are no studies on Israeli profiling because they will not release confidential information. Richard Reid had a history we did not know. At the time we were still developing databases on suspected individuals but the USA is stymied because of civil rights advocates who are opposed to any form of profiling and intrusion of privacy.

In the case of Israel, if they cannot confirm the background of someone it is unlikely they will be allowed to enter Israel at all, let alone by air.

You will be shocked by what information our government already has or can compile on you and I.

My son lives in Tel Aviv. On his first trip from the USA he was heavily questioned. On his second and third trip from the USA he is escorted ahead of the line of passengers because they already know who he is and where he lives and what he is doing there. I was extremely impressed at the questions I was being asked, how they were making eye contact, and they seemed to be checking on some sort of hand held computer – maybe on information about me.

Welcome to 1984.

The studies on profiling are mixed. Not clear that it works and some have even proven that it makes thing worse. You end wasting your time looking for people who are not any real threat and distract from the real terrorists. Richard Reid would not have been caught. He was a English citizen, a male and of a young age. That seems to fit several tens of millions of Brits. That really narrows it down. They had no way of knowing his religion, his name did not bring suspicion, etc. etc. What experts have suggested is rather than profiling you look at people’s actions. ie. do they buy a one way ticket, do they have not luggage, etc. etc. However, any smart terrorist like the 9-11 guys will just better melt in.

What I do know for a fact is that 11.5 million people fly in and out of Israel every year and their security is the tightest and most professional in the world. I was thoroughly questioned when I first got into the Ben-Gurion Airport terminal and had my luggage x-rayed before I ever got to a ticket counter. When I went through the normal security gate scanner I was not asked to take off my shoes or my belt. However at several points I was questioned as if they knew what to ask. The entire process took only about 30 minutes.

When I flew out of Madrid yesterday, no one asked me any questions at all but they x-rayed me and my carry-on baggage like in the USA. But when I got to the gate they separated into men and women to be thoroughly searched (head to toe including waist and crotch). Then another phalanx of security agents had everyone take apart the entire carry-on luggage. The entire process took 75 minutes.

The difference? Israel knows who everyone is before they ever get to Ben-Gurion Airport. In Spain and in the USA we do not until the passengers actually get into the terminal.

Do I feel violated that Israel may have had private and confidential information on me? No. That is a small price to pay for the freedom of travel and the knowledge of impeccable safety. Air travel is not a civil right. It is a privilege and for those who are afraid of civil rights violation then there is always the bus.

We are losing this battle with radical Islam because we are too afraid to see these people and their supporters as they are and profile them.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-243670.html

what are you going to do if the bomber sticks the bomb up his/her ass? just like prisoners sneek dope and weapons around. What is next full x-rays of humans to search their anal cavity?

Again I say how are you going to force all countries to spend the millions on unproven technologies and to enforce U.S. dictated policies? If the EU says no full body scans, what are you going to do?

At Ben-Gurion there was thorough security questioning as well as scanning of baggage. But I was never asked to take off my belt or my shoes going through security.

At Madrid besides the usual security check, there was a large contingent of professional security people AT the gate. Men and women were separated and waited on line to be thoroughly patted down – from head to toe – and around the waist and crotch. We then had to go through another group of security people who took apart all carry on baggage.

The difference between Israel and Madrid is that Israel knows who is supposed to be showing up at their airport before they ever get there. It is called profiling, but at what point are we going to run out of clothing to take off at security checks?

About Obama. First Napolitano says that the system worked. Then Gibbs states that the incident was isolated and not part of any terror organization. Then Brennan says that this was not the same as 9/11. And during this crisis Obama remains in Hawaii taking in a movie and playing golf.

LJ knows more than he is letting on… I for one know LJ’s background with airline security, who he has worked with before. You my friend best not draw that six shooter.And you are way of base. While LJ has his fans here he also has his friends and associates who are not afraid to tell him to get a better hair cut or when he is wrong.

Of course the same question you asked can apply to you as well… So I will ask it. Whats your background in airline security?

That’s what bugged me about Napolitano, she was talking as if this were an airplane crash.

Why do people need any carry-ons?  Netbooks are so cheap, what’s the cost of providing a netbook and wi-fi for every passenger, plus toiletries?  A camera in the restroom monitored by a nurse?