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		<title>By: tek</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1292064</link>
		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am livid that Obama is insisting on taxing existing healthcare plans. &#160;This bill is awful. &#160;If people were responsible and worked at jobs that gave them less pay in exchange for health care benefits, now they will have to pay taxes on that healthcare. &#160;Disabled people who can&#039;t work already have benefits from SS and Medicaid. &#160;So who are these people Obama has to tax us to give healthcare? &#160;Lots of them are people who just won&#039;t work, or they&#039;re criminals who have no visible means of income, or they&#039;re crackheads who need expensive medical care and they&#039;re too fried to work. &#160;Obama&#039;s bill is completely discriminatory and lacking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am livid that Obama is insisting on taxing existing healthcare plans. &nbsp;This bill is awful. &nbsp;If people were responsible and worked at jobs that gave them less pay in exchange for health care benefits, now they will have to pay taxes on that healthcare. &nbsp;Disabled people who can&#8217;t work already have benefits from SS and Medicaid. &nbsp;So who are these people Obama has to tax us to give healthcare? &nbsp;Lots of them are people who just won&#8217;t work, or they&#8217;re criminals who have no visible means of income, or they&#8217;re crackheads who need expensive medical care and they&#8217;re too fried to work. &nbsp;Obama&#8217;s bill is completely discriminatory and lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: Solara 9</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1292011</link>
		<dc:creator>Solara 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!! Good one TeakWoodKite. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!! Good one TeakWoodKite.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291991</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, I heard the &quot;starter house&quot; was purchased with a sub prime and is now in a forclosure proceding.&#160;&#160;
I want to thank you once again for a good Laugh. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, I heard the &#8220;starter house&#8221; was purchased with a sub prime and is now in a forclosure proceding.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
I want to thank you once again for a good Laugh. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stan Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291986</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of mixed metaphors, when the &quot;starter home&quot; hit the street it was basically in the same sentence as having only a few yards from the goal line.&#160; Let&#039;s see...what kind of running back is a starter home?
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stan Davis&lt;/em&gt;
Lakewood, CO </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of mixed metaphors, when the &#8220;starter home&#8221; hit the street it was basically in the same sentence as having only a few yards from the goal line.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s see&#8230;what kind of running back is a starter home?<br />
<strong></strong><em>Stan Davis</em><br />
Lakewood, CO</p>
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		<title>By: don x</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291952</link>
		<dc:creator>don x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The clamor and disagreement over health care reform brings to mind the story of the blind men and an elephant which supposedly emanated from India years ago.&#160; There are various versions of the tale.&#160; In one version, a group of blind men&#160;are asked to&#160;touch an&#160;elephant to learn what it is like. Each one&#160;is asked to touch&#160;a different part, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk or the tail.&#160;They then compare notes on what they felt, and learn they are in complete disagreement. The story is used to indicate that reality may be viewed differently depending upon one&#039;s perspective, suggesting that what seems an absolute truth may be relative due to the deceptive nature of half-truths.

The complicated nature of the various versions of the health reform bill are so cumbersome, nobody can fathom what will be the end product.&#160; All we get are half-truths and pieces of the puzzle along with politicized commentaries.&#160; When the puzzle is finally assembled into something that gets passed (if it does), I think it is likely that it will be a monster with effects that we won&#039;t fully realize for several years down the road.

In the meantime everyone has their own perspective as to what is in the bills, what is wrong with the Senate and House versions, and a lot of fear as to what kind of monster is being created. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clamor and disagreement over health care reform brings to mind the story of the blind men and an elephant which supposedly emanated from India years ago.&nbsp; There are various versions of the tale.&nbsp; In one version, a group of blind men&nbsp;are asked to&nbsp;touch an&nbsp;elephant to learn what it is like. Each one&nbsp;is asked to touch&nbsp;a different part, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk or the tail.&nbsp;They then compare notes on what they felt, and learn they are in complete disagreement. The story is used to indicate that reality may be viewed differently depending upon one&#8217;s perspective, suggesting that what seems an absolute truth may be relative due to the deceptive nature of half-truths.</p>
<p>The complicated nature of the various versions of the health reform bill are so cumbersome, nobody can fathom what will be the end product.&nbsp; All we get are half-truths and pieces of the puzzle along with politicized commentaries.&nbsp; When the puzzle is finally assembled into something that gets passed (if it does), I think it is likely that it will be a monster with effects that we won&#8217;t fully realize for several years down the road.</p>
<p>In the meantime everyone has their own perspective as to what is in the bills, what is wrong with the Senate and House versions, and a lot of fear as to what kind of monster is being created.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Playwright</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291936</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Playwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress/WH people lie so easily.&#160; That&#039;s the biggest irritant of all for me.&#160; Looking forward to all state AG&#039;s challenging this illegal mess of a secret bill. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress/WH people lie so easily.&nbsp; That&#8217;s the biggest irritant of all for me.&nbsp; Looking forward to all state AG&#8217;s challenging this illegal mess of a secret bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291931</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harkin&#039;s housing metaphor is lousy.&#160; What we&#039;re being asked to buy is a hovel with bars on the windows and cops at the door [ready to tax us or jail us if we don&#039;t get in line].&#160;

And that paragraph from Talk Left, Pat, is remarkably honest but seriously illogical.&#160; Why should any American be expected to buy into this when:

IT DOESN&quot;T SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

Big Tent Dem needs to have his or her head examined.&#160; Buy into legislation at a cost that will break our backs and we don&#039;t get reform or cost containments and people are still left uninsured?&#160; And please, let&#039;s not forget how women are treated under this &quot;historical bill.&quot;&#160;

I&#039;ve got news for these people.&#160; This will be the end of the Democratic Party for a long, long time.&#160; And I&#039;m not one to think the Republicans are going to &quot;save&quot; us.

This is the screwing of America.&#160; And people will not forget.

Thanks for the toon, Pat.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harkin&#8217;s housing metaphor is lousy.&nbsp; What we&#8217;re being asked to buy is a hovel with bars on the windows and cops at the door [ready to tax us or jail us if we don't get in line].&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that paragraph from Talk Left, Pat, is remarkably honest but seriously illogical.&nbsp; Why should any American be expected to buy into this when:</p>
<p>IT DOESN&#8221;T SOLVE THE PROBLEM?</p>
<p>Big Tent Dem needs to have his or her head examined.&nbsp; Buy into legislation at a cost that will break our backs and we don&#8217;t get reform or cost containments and people are still left uninsured?&nbsp; And please, let&#8217;s not forget how women are treated under this &#8220;historical bill.&#8221;&nbsp;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got news for these people.&nbsp; This will be the end of the Democratic Party for a long, long time.&nbsp; And I&#8217;m not one to think the Republicans are going to &#8220;save&#8221; us.</p>
<p>This is the screwing of America.&nbsp; And people will not forget.</p>
<p>Thanks for the toon, Pat.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Racimora</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291925</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Racimora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no, Mountainaires--didn&#039;t think that.&#160; It&#039;s just that I was ponderinbg a while back about how good a &lt;strong&gt;pig in a poke&lt;/strong&gt; toon would apply to so much that is going down--and I can see it in my head.&#160; Then it just slipped my mind.&#160; Just need to do it and pick a target (which is rather like shooting fish in a barrell, given my many options!&#160; Unfortunately....) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no, Mountainaires&#8211;didn&#8217;t think that.&nbsp; It&#8217;s just that I was ponderinbg a while back about how good a <strong>pig in a poke</strong> toon would apply to so much that is going down&#8211;and I can see it in my head.&nbsp; Then it just slipped my mind.&nbsp; Just need to do it and pick a target (which is rather like shooting fish in a barrell, given my many options!&nbsp; Unfortunately&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291923</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> :-E &#160;Pat, I hope you don&#039;t think my outburst was criticism directed at you! Not in the least; I love your stuff! But, a pig-in-a-poke cartoon would be fun! :-[ :-D &#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:-E &nbsp;Pat, I hope you don&#8217;t think my outburst was criticism directed at you! Not in the least; I love your stuff! But, a pig-in-a-poke cartoon would be fun! :-[ <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Doc99</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291920</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;White Elephant&quot; comes to mind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;White Elephant&#8221; comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: nick matyas</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291917</link>
		<dc:creator>nick matyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the post.&#039;&#039;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webroyalty.com&quot;&gt;Webroyalty&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the post.&#8221;</p>
<p>&lt;a href=&#8221;http://www.webroyalty.com&#8221;&gt;Webroyalty&lt;/a&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Racimora</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291664</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Racimora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes--I&#039;ve got to do that pig in a poke cartoon.&#160; Thanks for reminding me Moutainaires. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes&#8211;I&#8217;ve got to do that pig in a poke cartoon.&nbsp; Thanks for reminding me Moutainaires.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/39947/the-starter-house-oxymoron/#comment-1291652</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat: Thanks for the reminder &quot;Health Care Reform&quot; is a sham under what is going to be passed.&#160; Here&#039;s what George McGovern wrote in September:

It&#8217;s Simple: Medicare for All
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.healthcare-now.org/its-simple-medicare-for-all/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.healthcare-now.org/its-simple-medicare-for-all/&lt;/a&gt;

By &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091102406.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George S. McGovern for the Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; &#8211;
For many years, a handful of American political leaders &#8212; including the late senator Ted Kennedy and now President Obama &#8212; have been trying to gain passage of comprehensive health care for all Americans. As far back as President Harry S. Truman, they have urged Congress to act on this national need. In a presentation before a joint session of Congress last week, Obama offered his view of the best way forward.
But what seems missing in the current battle is a single proposal that everyone can understand and that does not lend itself to demagoguery. If we want comprehensive health care for all our citizens, we can achieve it with a single sentence: Congress hereby extends Medicare to all Americans.

Those of us over 65 have been enjoying this program for years. I go to the doctor or hospital of my choice, and my taxes pay all the bills. It&#8217;s wonderful. But I would have appreciated it even more if my wife and children and I had had such health-care coverage when we were younger. I want every American, from birth to death, to get the kind of health care I now receive. Removing the payments now going to the insurance corporations would considerably offset the tax increase necessary to cover all Americans. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat: Thanks for the reminder &#8220;Health Care Reform&#8221; is a sham under what is going to be passed.&nbsp; Here&#8217;s what George McGovern wrote in September:</p>
<p>It&rsquo;s Simple: Medicare for All<br />
<a href="http://www.healthcare-now.org/its-simple-medicare-for-all/" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthcare-now.org/its-simple-medicare-for-all/</a></p>
<p>By <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091102406.html" rel="nofollow">George S. McGovern for the Washington Post</a> &ndash;<br />
For many years, a handful of American political leaders &mdash; including the late senator Ted Kennedy and now President Obama &mdash; have been trying to gain passage of comprehensive health care for all Americans. As far back as President Harry S. Truman, they have urged Congress to act on this national need. In a presentation before a joint session of Congress last week, Obama offered his view of the best way forward.<br />
But what seems missing in the current battle is a single proposal that everyone can understand and that does not lend itself to demagoguery. If we want comprehensive health care for all our citizens, we can achieve it with a single sentence: Congress hereby extends Medicare to all Americans.</p>
<p>Those of us over 65 have been enjoying this program for years. I go to the doctor or hospital of my choice, and my taxes pay all the bills. It&rsquo;s wonderful. But I would have appreciated it even more if my wife and children and I had had such health-care coverage when we were younger. I want every American, from birth to death, to get the kind of health care I now receive. Removing the payments now going to the insurance corporations would considerably offset the tax increase necessary to cover all Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: creeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>creeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harkin grows further out of touch with his constituents here in Iowa every day.&#160; Unfortunately, we&#039;re stuck with him until 2014.&#160; Not a pleasant prospect. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harkin grows further out of touch with his constituents here in Iowa every day.&nbsp; Unfortunately, we&#8217;re stuck with him until 2014.&nbsp; Not a pleasant prospect.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Secret Deliberations on the Health Care Bill.&#160;&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2010/01/04/democratic-leaders-plan-secret-health-reform-deliberations.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Secret Deliberations on the Health Care Bill.&nbsp;</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2010/01/04/democratic-leaders-plan-secret-health-reform-deliberations.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2010/01/04/democratic-leaders-plan-secret-health-reform-deliberations.html</a></p>
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