Tune in now to NQR for The Birth Certificate Mystery

Yep been sittin here waiting.

Quick! Get Bill Clinton to talk about it in his big Wednesday speech at the Democratic convention! Send him some e-mails now!

Stay tuned. There were technical issues.

Obama:

He was born somewhere and then poof–he becomes a Senator from the state of Illinois. Oh! He’s black!

That in a nutshell is all we know about Senator Obama.

Think anyone at the DNC is starting to regret their stupidity? Nah, I don’t think so either.

Crashed once, I’m trying to login again…

RC,

I thought you might like his town in cheek.

http://theflatlandalmanack.typepad.com/versus/2008/08/a-right-wing-ma.html

SM

ROTFLMAO! Thank you!

Debbie Schussel and Melanie Morgan—two females that work this Chick’s very last nerves.

It may be tongue in cheek, but there are obvious truths in the column that unhinge the average right wing male.

No sound is coming out in mine. I heard the initial “blog talk radio” then nothing. Any suggestions?

What unhinges them makes me swing like a set of well-designed saloon doors.

I would like to make a suggestion to those who put together this radio show. I really enjoy these, because they are raw and real. However, the technical issues are a royal pain.

Perhaps, prior to the show, you could solicit EMAIL questions, and do a mix of calls and emails…that way, if the calls drop (as they sometimes do) you can go to an email question and keep the ball rolling.

Feedback? Anyone?

Smart idea!

Answering emails and phone calls sounds like a great idea. The shows so far have been really interesting, but I never was unable to hear tonight’s show. Please work on technical problems!

I am listening right now. You have to wait for close on a half hour with the odd HELLO? Can you hear me? but if you’re patient, you will hear the show.

They have it in the archives, so even if you miss it live you can still hear it.

I never could get the show…still can’t..

Would some kind soul sum it up

I’m at work and can’t listen Thanks so much

They are reviewing the BC issues–pretty much the same stuff that you can read in the threads.

If you click on the archives link, and just let it open in a new window, and wait for close on a HALF HOUR, all of a sudden, there ya go–it comes on.

Check my site tomorrow. I’m going to have a little challenge for Techdude — one that should either prove his claims or prove that he’s a fake.

It’s put up or shut up time. I, for one, think that the Dude has served up a steaming side dish of red herring.

And tomorrow I’ll prove it.

that is right–you need to put up or shut up. I look forward to seeing your study. But if you don’t have detail, like techdude, then you are just part of the problem, not the solution.

I see TexasDarlin is still demanding transparency while she continues to conceal the fact (I say conceal because this fact is known to her) that Techdude has contradicted his own analysis not once, but twice and that Techdude’s analysis is as much a fabrication as he claims Obama’s certificate is.

To summarize, in a previous “final report” on Atlas Shrugs back in July he first makes claims of having found “artifacts” in the indicating where the original printing on the certificate was located.

In this image he illustrates with red lines where the “artifacts” indicate the location of the border printed on the original certificate. However tihs doesn’t “work” for two reasons.

First, the two vertical lines on the left are spaced too far apart. In other words, they’re spaced farther apart than the width of the left leg of a border would actually be. Second, his vertical line on the right is located too far to the right than where the rightmost edge of a real border would actually be.

In his more recent report over on TexasDarlin, in this image he shows that the text and border of a real certificate perfectly overlays all of the “artifacts” he had mapped out in this image.

However in order for that to have happened, the position of the leftmost edge of the “phantom” border would have had to be moved a bit to the right, and the rightmost edge moved a bit to the left. Also note that in the Atlas Shrugs image he has the bottom edge of the phantom border virtually on top of the Obama border, but in this image, it’s now down below it.

In other words, he had to come up with a whole different bunch of “artifacts” than those he used to place the border originally to make this overlay “work.”

So now we have two different sets of “artifacts” covering two borders of different sizes and located in two different positions.

But then TexasDarlin reader KG claimed to have reproduced Techdude’s result after a trip to Vegas was offered to the first person who did.

Techdude reviewed KG’s analysis and verified the result.

KG’s analysis was based on their placing the text and the border in a different location than where Techdude had shown it being placed in this image

As you can see, Techdude has the border significantly shifted to the right and slightly below the Obama border. However KG’s analysis, which again, Techdude reviewed and verified, was based on placing the border directly over the Obama border.

So, what you have is three different bunches of “artifacts” covering borders of two different widths, and placed in three different locations.

se

You people are obsessed with this. Wouldn’t it be easier to just petition your precious to release a certified BC to the press? The one he had up now isn’t certified. That alone means it’s not authentic.

Joseph Cannon wrote:

Check my site tomorrow. I’m going to have a little challenge for Techdude — one that should either prove his claims or prove that he’s a fake.

I’ll be sure and check it out. However if Techdude sticks to his track record, he’ll either ignore it, or resort to ad hominem attacks.

k

You means like what BOBO does rather then present a certified BC?

WildChild wrote:

The one he had up now isn’t certified. That alone means it’s not authentic.

What exactly do you mean by “ceritifed”?

se

And to think at the start of the primary season 2008 was to be the Democrat Party’s year. We are reduced to this. An empty suit of dubious origins.

If you don’t know what certified BC means then you have no business commenting on this issue.

LOL but then, you haven’t figured out how to use the reply to this comment feature so why should I be surprised that you don’t know what a certified BC is.

Obama and his minions go by: “The best defense is a good offense.”

You can always tell what Obama is guilty of, and his weak spots, by the Obama trolls’ comments.

I have got to agree with WildChild. Are you all wasting you time? I see nothing in this thread that is new or different than the unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and dubious “analysis” that has been listed everywhere else.

After countless websites and threads across the net, the fact is all anyone has is speculation on a theory. Anyone claiming to perform document analysis on a crappy image does not warrant much credibility. Less so when they claim to be a professional, but go about with a anonymous persona and long winded explanations about things that are obvious to a casual observer. Seriously, wouldn’t a true professional be ecstatic to run publicly to every media outlet available if they were actually able to demonstrate credible evidence of a forgery? I would be going to the media and courts, not posting on messageboards.

Long story short, all this is causing a valid question to evolve into a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Well, no need to respond aggressively like that. It doesn’t advance the discourse.

I know he was a bit “chippy” in his assertions, but I think that was directed at the trolls, not the people with genuine questions about methodology.

Three things made me wonder about that document–they were

1. II instead of JR (printed with different spacing, quite close to the last name, too). If you are named after your father, you are JUNIOR, not “The Second.”

2. AFRICAN instead of Negro, or Black (which wasn’t really “on” back then). African is not a race and never was. It’s not even a COUNTRY. If the father had been Brazilian, would they have put SOUTH AMERICAN? If he’d been French, would they have put EUROPEAN? I think not. I can’t see an entire Vital Statistics Department of a state or territory being that fucking stupid, AFTER 2001, particularly.

3. The fact that nothing lined up with any of the other BCs. All of his data was “off”–misaligned– in the KOS version. Why would his document be printed “special?” Different from all the rest?

And then, there was that clown who put up blank COLBs…what was up with that?

I think the thing is a “facsimile” or a “mock up” that the Kos people dummied up to shut people up. That’s what they’ll say, anyway, if it is demonstrated that the thing is fake. They will declare, unbelievably, no intent to deceive…despite not saying that the thing was a “representation” and not the real thing.

As for whose certificate was used to make the thing, I have no idea. I don’t have the programs, the talent or the patience to do that highlighting stuff. All I can do is use my old eyes, and that document simply looks “off” to me.

Maybe I am mistaken. I’d like to see the backside of the thing, that might help. I’d also like to see the certificate number–why was that a secret? You have to be a family member to get a certificate, that number isn’t “classified” in any way, so there’s no need to hide it–it isn’t a social security number, after all, it’s simply an “issue date” type number. The fact that it was blocked out suggests that someone else’s document was used…because the forger doesn’t even KNOW the number of Obama’s certificate.

Why are you taking this so personally? Why the bragodoccio, the virtual chest thumping?

I thought you were more mature than that.

Rachet back the testosterone, there’s no need for it and it doesn’t push the discussion forward.

If you have a contrary thesis, by all means, let’s hear it. State your case like an adult. Stop with the pissy internet fighting.

I do hope you will address the matters I raised, above, in your discussion.

I think we all want the truth.

I personally believe that he was born in Hawaii. I also think he is a US citizen.

I think he may have “name” issues, that he didn’t want to mention in his not one, but TWO books about HIMSELF…but I’m not sure quite what kind. Maybe Barack Senior had another kid by the same name…maybe Barack the Second was a dumb kid who changed his name to his father’s name, filled out the paperwork himself, and put II instead of Junior because he didn’t know any better. I don’t know.

What I do know is something ain’t right with that document. African/II/Unnecessarily hidden certificate number….

I smell a rat. I just don’t know what sort of rat.

If you don’t know what certified BC means then you have no business commenting on this issue.

The one having no business commenting on this issue is the one who doesn’t know that “certified certificate” is redundant. But seeing as you’re a child, I’ll forgive you your ignorance.

So now, did you instead really mean a valid certificate?

se

Seriously, wouldn’t a true professional be ecstatic to run publicly to every media outlet available if they were actually able to demonstrate credible evidence of a forgery?

Not unless they wanted dead rabbits showing up on their porch.

se

No, I meant a certified BC. And like I said before, if you don’t know what that is, then you have no business commenting on the issue.

article published today about blog talk radio

World Net Daily has an Obama birth certificate story complete with a petition to be sent to the elections commission requesting an investigation. Check it out.

2 campaigns seek ‘truth’ about Obama’s birth

Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama’s “Fight the Smears” campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee’s birth.

The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been “able to independently discern the name ‘Maya Kassandra Soetoro’ from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya’s original document.” Maya is Obama’s younger half-sister.

The report follows a posting from another researcher identified by the news publication as Techdude that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s.

I think Kos put it up to shut people up too. He had a way of doing stuff like that every once in awhile to steer his blog onto other things when it got out of control. He’s not happy with Obama and has put most of his attention on up and coming progressives in local and congress seats.
For THEM over there it was always ANYONE BUT CLINTON and they got stuck with Obama like the rest of us. Kos is in Dean’s pocket.

no waffles, the Dude had no details to speak of. In my earlier piece, I took him to task for his lack of detailed instructions. Over on Texas Darlin’s site, he more or less admitted that he had explained himself poorly.

Frankly, he has nothing — in my opinion. He is presenting psuedoscience. The people defending his work haven’t even made much attempt to follow his argument.

My new piece is up right now. If he cannot find the hidden text in my challenge, then his methods are bullshit. And if someone out there does not trust me — it is an easy matter for anyone else (who owns Photoshop or who knows how to use GIMP) to put together an exactly similar challenge.

Frankly, although I normally do not like to ascribe bad motives to those with whom I disagree, I am starting to think that the PUMA movement is being derailed by a con artist.

Here is where Techdude has been exposed as a fraud:
http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/210-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis.html

If Obama and his campaign were trust worthy they would just show us his original birth certificate. They won’t so end of story. He should not be running for president. Can you imagine what he will hide and act like in the White House? A Chicago Thug. Is that what we want? Our boy is an officer in the Marines – third term in Iraq. He says, “NO OBAMA.” The man is a joke over sea’s.

If Obama and his campaign were trust worthy they would just show us his original birth certificate.

If they thought it was more than just a slack a smear by about 138 bloggers they surely would.

If you want to get noticed, the CULT of the COLB needs to get more recruits than the CULT of the ALIEN” have got.

Hey ray, that’s the site of that “DR” that also can’t produce those 15 examples which you claimed to have to support your allegation that Texas Darlin is a racist. LMAO oh wait, he like you likes to make shit up too in the defense of your precious.

You guys are such freaks. Do you thinK Obama would have gotten a valid US passport without a certified BC? Or gotten into school? Or been able to run for office?

Are your squirely little paranoid brains so bitter and deluded that you think scores of government agencies have allowed an “uncertified” BC to be used all these years for official purposes?

Do you think the Bush Justice Department and FBI would have granted him a Security Clearance without a proper BC?

You freaks are sick. And crazy. At lease those of you who are not paid GOP operatives.

Larry Johnson, as a former Agency Employee, you know all of this. Why are you encouraging all of these ignorant and/or evil partisan monsters?

1. II instead of JR (printed with different spacing, quite close to the last name, too). If you are named after your father, you are JUNIOR, not “The Second.”

I don’t know that there are any laws or regulations requiring it be one way or the other. Have you been able to find any? And if there are, I think it’s rather presumptive of the government to dictate whether your child should be named as a Junior or a II. I’d like to think it’s up to the parents what they want the name to be given as on the certificate.

2. AFRICAN instead of Negro, or Black (which wasn’t really “on” back then). African is not a race and never was. It’s not even a COUNTRY. If the father had been Brazilian, would they have put SOUTH AMERICAN? If he’d been French, would they have put EUROPEAN? I think not.

Someone stated that in cases where the father wasn’t a citizen, race was stated geographically. I don’t know if this was the case or not, and as far as I’m aware, no one’s shown conclusively whether it was or not.

I can’t see an entire Vital Statistics Department of a state or territory being that fucking stupid, AFTER 2001, particularly.

I don’t think 2001 would have nothing to do with it. As far as I’m aware, the certifications give the information as entered on the birth certificate.

3. The fact that nothing lined up with any of the other BCs. All of his data was “off”–misaligned– in the KOS version. Why would his document be printed “special?” Different from all the rest?

It wasn’t different than all the rest. While the placement was different than on the Michele COLB, the placement was the same as on the DeCosta, Smith, and Tomoyasu COLBs.

And then, there was that clown who put up blank COLBs…what was up with that?

Just some guy playing around. He’d downloaded the Kos image and used an image editor to remove the data text.

I think the thing is a “facsimile” or a “mock up” that the Kos people dummied up to shut people up. That’s what they’ll say, anyway, if it is demonstrated that the thing is fake. They will declare, unbelievably, no intent to deceive…despite not saying that the thing was a “representation” and not the real thing.

I’ve not seen any evidence that Kos was the source of the image.

I’d also like to see the certificate number–why was that a secret? You have to be a family member to get a certificate, that number isn’t “classified” in any way, so there’s no need to hide it–it isn’t a social security number, after all, it’s simply an “issue date” type number. The fact that it was blocked out suggests that someone else’s document was used…

Why does it necessarily suggest that? The certificate number was blocked out on the Michele COLB as well. And one of the others that Techdude said he used. And it’s also blocked out on the Tomoyasu COLB. Why was that? Were all these other people trying to hide something too?

Clearly, whether right or wrong, others felt that revealing the certificate number might provide others such as identity thieves something useful. How do you know the person who scanned and prepared the Obama image didn’t feel the same way and blocked it out just to be prudent?

Why does there always have to be some nefarious motive behind everything?

se

I think Kos put it up to shut people up too. He had a way of doing stuff like that every once in awhile to steer his blog onto other things when it got out of control.

Kos putting it up to shut people up is one thing. Claiming that Kos actually fabricated it is quite another. And I haven’t seen any evidence that the image came from anyone other than the Obama campaign.

se

Louise wrote:

You guys are such freaks. Do you thinK Obama would have gotten a valid US passport without a certified BC? Or gotten into school? Or been able to run for office?

Hang on, hang on, they’re not all freaks. Let’s be fair about this. Most of these cartoony characters are only doing a bit of SMEARING. You surely don’t believe there could be THIS many people who cannot join the dots.

The good thing about the birth certificate SMEAR is that it allows them to say words like Arab, Muslim, Indonesian, Illegitimate, Koran, Arab Muslim, Kenya, Terrorist connections, Muslim, Secretive, Unmarried mother,Arab, Muslim, blah blah blah.

Ray

Damiano wrote:

Long story short, all this is causing a valid question to evolve into a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Yeah, but how do you rate it as a SMEAR. They’ve got 138 bloggers so far who pretend to believe Obama forged his COLB, and if the projections hold up there’ll be at least 000001 newspaper on the planet that will actually print some of it.

Ray

Are you really as ignorant as you seem? or is it an act to get attention on this lame blog? All of you worried that Obama isn’t a US citizen, relax, he is. If you could read you would know everything about him…he’s written two books on the subject and has undergone all of the media scrutiny in Illinois, where he’s been active in the community and politics for years. Now, if you would put down the meth-pipe long enough to inform yourself, you would see that he has what it takes to assemble a great team and get this country out of the mess that Bush has left it. Hopefully we can turn back the clock on the damage that this administration has done to our world reputation, and attempt to dig out from the debt that this unauthorized war has left us straddled with.

dumb ass, there is no such thing as a certified birth certificate. where did you go to school? I’m sure they’re proud that you’ve done so much with your writing skills. You’re a published author, right? hahaha

Damn, you must be new here. Run along little one, most of us don’t have the energy to counter your talking points. We’ve only done a million times before with much better trolls than you.

Texas Darlin’, Tech Dude, KG, Judah Benjamin…you guys are onto something coz’ “the opposition” protests too much!!!

Dang, it didn’t post. One more time:

Texas darlin’, Tech Dude, KG, Judah Benjamin. Methinks you guys are onto something, because “the opposition” protests too much!

network certifications…

Intriguing idea, but I don’t know if I believe you one hundred percent….