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Where’s The Magic Bump In Polls Obama?

opinion pollsObama stalls in public polling and ABC News Polling Director Gary Langer asked this question, “If everything is so good for Barack Obama, why isn’t everything so good for Barack Obama?”

In a year when Bush’s approval rating is very low, the Democratic challenger, Barack Obama, can’t break the 50% mark in polls. He never received the “big bounce” post Hillary Clinton’s campaign suspension. More on that:

That gap between expectations and reality comes as Democrats enjoy the most favorable political winds since at least 1976. At least eight in ten Americans believe the nation is on the wrong track. The Republican president is historically unpopular. From stunning Democratic gains in party registration to the high levels of economic anxiety, Obama should have a healthy lead by almost every measure. Yet, in poll after poll, Obama conspicuously fails to cross the 50 percent threshold.


One of the things not mentioned is that Congress’ approval rating has gone down the toilet under the leadership of Pelosi and Reid. The Democratic-led Congress is a disappointment to the American people. Their rating has fallen below Bush’s approval rating, a dismal 14%.This is how Democrats and Republicans feel about Congress:

The most recent decline comes almost exclusively from Democrats, whose approval of Congress fell from 23% in June to 11% in July, while independents’ and Republicans’ views of Congress did not change much. As a result, Republicans are now slightly more likely than Democrats to approve of the job the Democratic-controlled Congress is doing (19% vs. 11%).

(And Congress is still laughable!)

Gallup’s director Frank Newport said this,

“What’s remarkable this summer is the stability of this race,”
“In a broad sense, it is similar to previous elections.”

(I am glad something is stable, Obama seems to flip flop everyday….)

When the 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections are compared the following comparisons are drawn.

In Gallup’s last national poll prior to the 2004 party conventions, for example, John F. Kerry led President Bush 47 percent to 43 percent. In 2000, also in Gallup’s last national poll prior to the party conventions, Bush led former Vice President Al Gore 46 percent to 41 percent.

And Gallup has this to say about demographics in the race.

Three demographic groups have generally kept Obama ahead in the past two months: African-Americans, youth and Hispanics. But a lead based on those groups is a tenuous one. The youth vote, notorious for not meeting expectations, must turn out in significantly higher numbers than in past elections. Obama must continue to win the black vote nearly unanimously and still turn out new African-American voters. McCain must continue to underperform with Hispanics by about 10 percentage points compared to Bush in the summer of 2004.

(What’s the matter Obama can’t count on those college kids? And remember your best friend Donna Brazille told the true Democratic base to stay home!)

The real reason Obama has failed to get above the 50% mark is his inability to increase his support in key demographic groups. The Gallup report has something to say about it:

If there is a primary explanation as to why the race has remained close this summer, it is that Obama has failed to make gains overall with white voters, who still cast about three in four ballots on Election Day. (Are you starting to be sorry you called people in Pennsylvania bitter yet?)

As Gore did in 2000, Obama nearly splits white women and loses white men by a large margin, according to an aggregate of polling in June and July 2008 and polling in 2000 by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press.

Depending upon the week in June or July, by Gallup’s measure, Obama has roughly fluctuated between splitting or, at worst, trailing by about 5 percentage points with white women. In that same period, Obama has won only between 34 percent and 37 percent of white men.

In general — and with men in particular — Pew’s data shows that Obama’s gains with young whites compared to Gore in 2000 are offset by a weakness with older whites.

Obama also seems to have hit a ceiling with Hispanics. Latino support fluctuates between 57 percent, by the latest weekly measure, to 68 percent the week before — roughly the margin of Hispanic support that has marked the entire summer, by Gallup’s measure.

(Is your head hurting yet, Obama?)

What all this suggests is a general election that is much tighter than many analysts predicted and defined by far more stubborn levels of support.

As it stands, on Aug. 3 the RealClearPolitics average of national polling had 46.6 percent of the public supporting Obama, putting him narrowly ahead of McCain. Exactly two months earlier, on June 3, that same average had Obama at the exact same level of support — 46.6 percent.

So sorry Obama. There will be no”bounce” this year in the polls. The Democratic-led Congress isn’t getting it either.

  • DisenfranchisedVoter

    The poll numbers will only go down after the convention. Can’t wait until the real attack ads begin.

    Obama will never get the “big bounce” he’s been waiting for just like he was never able to seal the deal without the help of the DNC disenfranchising voters and stealing delegates.

    • Darryl

      you got that right

      • http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html Factcheck2

        True, the poll numbers will tank for Obama because most of the polling companies are in the tank for him now – that is, until the Dem. convention, when Clinton will buried for good, Wall Street hopes.

        Obama’s massive support from Republicans in the primaries vanishes in the November election, another plain fact the Dem. Party is ignoring. If only the superdelegates and delegates would face reality and the melting ice caps, then relaize that Clinton is the only thing separating us now from total calamity. For more on the real Obama and his backers:

        http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html

        • Joe

          They have created their own Reality Distortion Field where they are in complete denial of the fact that their candidate is seriously flawed and will be ripped to shreds by the GOP attack machine once the Messiah is officially crowned by idiots running the Democratic Party.

    • destardi

      I think the part that should scare you all the most, is that I had understood that DNC leaders *don’t care* if obama wins or loses, they assumed he would be the one to bring in more seats in Congress, and insure their current positions…not Hillary.

      They’re crooks, plain and simple.

      PUMA!

      • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

        I heard that too. They don’t count on that the old, bitter, etc. women do vote down ballot – as they see fit.

    • debbie

      The convention will give Obama a very nice bounce, especially with BOTH Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking in support of him.

      • Disgusted

        Just as long as they don’t wear the sheets uh Deb? Try to keep the racism in check Bill. I know they wont but it would be awesome if both Clintons walk out and start telling people to f-off.

      • s. hall

        Debbie — you mean that speech in front of 76,000 at the football stadium? Hopey Changey speaks in front of a large crowd–will he be giving those in attendance sausages and Beer as he did in Berlin — or just pay for a Rock Concert to load of the stadium — so it looks like all those people came just to see him. Everything about him is manufactured.

      • stodghie

        you keep thinking that. i note you give the clintons credit for obama’s so called bounce. as the one he should already have this in the bag. i don’t see that.

      • btintaos

        Oh, Debbie. Bobo’s missing bounce has a name: PUMA. But go ahead, fantasize all you want, this is one bounce that doesn’t come back.

      • Ai1een

        Oh Debbie – I see you agree that it will take CLINTONS to give him the bounce that Obama has been totally unable to garner for himself in well over 2 months…even with his Obamaia World Tour. So, in the end, if it’s going to take a Clinton to get the job done, why don’t we just ELECT a CLINTON TO GET THE JOB DONE!!!!

        • WildChild

          and cut out the little man… yeah yeah, that’s the ticket :)

    • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

      yes they couldn’t beat her they had to rob her and hijack the party.

  • http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com londonamerican

    http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com/2008/08/ouch.html

    republicans rub their hands with glee after the damage has been done. help donna keep her word. and just say no to anything less than an open convention.

    • JoseyJ

      Donna Brazile on ABC News tonight – ugh!
      Assures the public ALL Dems will unite at the convention – but as of today – still no specific plan to “recognize” Hillary’s 18,000,000 supporters.
      Oh wait – the primary was only historic for a Black man.

      • Terrig

        And that is why they will lose by a landslide in November. I just don’t understand why they don’t get it. I guess they think if they hide their heads in the sand the problem will go away.

        Hillary was the First Woman with the most votes, and they still don’t understand why we won’t vote for Obama.

        I guess that is why I am really starting to like McCain, he wants our votes and is willing to work for them.

      • fif

        Based on WHAT Mamma Donna? She’s such a piece of work. Keep believing in your fantasy unity Donna. I can’t wait to see you lose ANOTHER election.

    • JoseyJ

      Donna Brazile on ABC News tonight – ugh!
      Assures the public ALL Dems will unite at the convention – but as of today – still no specific plan to “recognize” Hillary’s 18,000,000 supporters.
      Oh wait – the primary was only considered historic for a Black man.

  • Joe Joe Joey

    I’m a DNC pledged delegate for Obama. Your recent PUMA PAC musings piqued my interest, if only because I do sort of have a metric on how big the PUMA people are as a movement. About a month ago I woke up and took a look at my e-mail and instead of seeing few new e-mails in the morning I saw more than three hundred.

    PUMA released the e-mail addresses of the delegates to their supporters and asked them to e-mail us with a form letter. I’m sure you’ve seen the letter (if not, it’s pasted in below), but since I set up a filter to direct every e-mail with “PUMA” in it to a folder on my Outlook, I can tell you that about a month after their letter-writing campaign began (I don’t get many more these days), I received a total of 404 messages.

    Given that their entire raison d’etre is getting delegates to vote otherwise, this makes me think the PUMA movement is actually quite small, even if it is quite good at getting press. PUMA will surely stage something at the convention, but if they can only get 404 people to send e-mails, I’m not sure how many they can get to fly to Denver and make an impressive scene.

    Anecdotally, I would add that my interactions with the many Clinton delegates over Facebook and in person has been uniformly positive.

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/how_big_is_puma_now.php

    • Susan

      Hmmmm. Then why are you sweating it and commenting here????

      • cackicoo

        commented to woman today about her hillary sticker on car…we got into a conversation and shes been a dem for 40 yrs (me 35) never voted repub!she will NEVER vote for obama.. she had never heard of puma but had been doing EVERYTHING puma has been doing…i told her you are one of the millions of invisible pumas and you dont even know it…obama is not going to be crammed down our throats…no deal jo jo

      • RunningDogLackey

        Actually, I think he was being gently dismissive. Not really sweating anything.

        • Hope Floats

          I just read, “Actually, blah blah blah,” because I don’t care whether he’s getting laid or not. I am going to vote for McCain in the fall, feel fairly confident the majority of Americans will, as well, since I’ve never been wrong about an election before. And I love this site, because I don’t have to suffer the usual crap being foisted off on the public about how Obama is anything but a crooked, sexist neophyte with bad friends and worse ideas.

          • http://! Clinton Fan

            …a crooked, sexist neophyte with bad friends and worse ideas.

            You’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head.

        • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

          aww Aravosis says ‘gently dismissive’, awww pat the little heads of ‘those people’, as Obummer refers to us, yes

          those people, 18 million of the CORE DEMS who BOTHER to vote in the primaries, WE are the STRONGEST most STAUNCH party faithful the primary voters.

          that seems to have escaped all your calculations Obummer talking heads….

          WE, THE PEOPLE

          you know, the voters, the actual DEMS, not imaginary crossover GOP that crossed over for a day to stop HRC..

          Ahh it will be so sweet to watch your big plans crash and burn baby

          BOOYAH!!!

    • Ferdberfle

      It doesn’t matter how many we are. Think about a snowball rolling downhill and prepare yourself. This former dem of 32 years can’t wait until November.

      PUMA

      • RunningDogLackey

        EXACTLY! What you lack in numbers you more than make up for in…

        …well…

        …er…

        Hmmm. I’m gonna have to get back to you on that one.

        • Eidnoreid

          How do you know there is a lack in numbers? The number of e-mails is not an indication of the numbers of members and supporters there are. If these people aren’t significant at all, then why are you here?

          • debbie

            Did you ever see Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Think of the French guys at the castle and then you’ll know why folks who don’t agree with you like to post here sometimes.

            • s. hall

              debbie — so you’re saying your a silly idiot? Ok

        • http://! Clinton Fan

          You have to be pretty frightened, you nervous little sockpuppet, you.

          Otherwise you wouldn’t be here, eagerly, desperately, and frantically posting what you think are clever, snarky retorts, vainly trying to depress those numbers you claim aren’t there.

          Why are you HERE?

          Why aren’t you dancing in the streets? Celebrating your “certain” victory?

          What you are doing is ILLOGICAL, if Your Messiah is really on a roll, cruising to a win.

          You should be getting carpal tunnel opening all that celebratory champagne, you know, for your “sure” victory….ya pudpulling troll!

          Instead, you are HERE. Trolling and insulting.

          Seems like an odd way to celebrate a sure “unity” win to me.

          But it does seem logical if cognitive dissonance is scratching at your brain, and anger is rearing its ugly head.

          If only those pesky PUMAs weren’t there, why, the Messiah would truly be The One!

          Thus, your fear causes you to lash out at us–because Your Messiah isn’t bringing it.

          Ya gotta blame someone. And since your Borg has decided that The Messiah is Perfection, why, you aren’t ALLOWED to blame or criticize him….even in the face of FISA flipflops, offshore drilling flipflops, Surge flipflops, Iraq War timeline flipflops, lobbying flipflops, public finance flipflops, anytime/anywhere debate flipflops…why, he’s got more flipflops than Payless Shoes in July!

          Do you kick your dog when you have a bad day at school, or do you just beat up your little sister, steal her piggy bank, and use her savings to buy pot to kill that horrible, unremitting pain that will not abate, no matter how often you strike out at people telling you the uncomfortable truth?

          Hmmmm?

          You’d be laughable, only you’re…pathetic.

          • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

            I do not understand anyone who has half of a brain voting for Obush. I mean he is an idiot. He wants to kiss women for their votes if he would even try to kiss me I would have to have rabie shots. Pledged delegate I bet you that they can’t read.

    • candymarl

      Delegates determine the nominee. They do not control the will of the voters.

      These votes in November will be private. No caucuses here. No stealing of voter registration forms. No out of town lawyers showing up at polling places (unless that’s Obama’s plan). If that should happen I don’t think the voters want a 2008 version of 2000.

      You might want to remember that.

      • PKJayne

        Amen Candy

    • ritamary

      Obots can think whatever they desire to think. Obots don’t need PUMAs to tell them Obama’s poll numbers suck. And it will only get worse once the Republicans start piling on.

      • sfhillary

        Not sure what you mean by “his poll numbers suck.” You guys have been claiming that he’s sinking for weeks, yet in every reputable electoral map calculator I can find, he is beating McCain handily, and this week he has pulled back into a lead in national head-to-heads as well.

        I mean, I realize that being a PUMA does mean living inside a bubble of perpetual delusion about, oh, so many things: your own impact; McCain’s political abilities; Obama’s evilness; etc etc. But I would think you guys could at least look at basic poll numbers and see that Obama is winning. That’s not to say that he definitely will win in November, but objectively speaking, he is winning today. And all the demographic modeling indicates that he has many structural advantages heading into the fall. So when you talk about the huge landslide that is coming … where’s that coming from? Based on what? Your fantasies about the millions of Hillary voters that you like to think are deranged Obama-hating PUMAs? News flash: the vast majority of those 18 million are Democrats who voted for a great Democratic candidate (HRC) in the primary and will now vote for another great Democratic candidate — Barack Obama — in November.

        • steven Mather

          sfH,

          Though it is the case that he is still doing well on the electoral map, his numbers are declining in important demographics, which is a cause for concern for any Obama supporter.

          As we both know: it is why you are a regular contributor here. You recognize what PUMA can mean for the election, which, as you’ve stated a number of times, you hope to counter by providing an alternate perspective to lurkers.

          SM

          • debbie

            In what demographic is Obama declining? Which ones? In what polls?

            • street_parade

              See Zogby’s poll released this week for details. You can find it by using that little box with the big ‘G’ next to it at the top of your computer screen, sweetie.

            • Bye bye Obambi

              I don’t think there is any demographic right now in which he isn’t declining rapidly. It’s fun to watch.

              • debbie

                In other words, you don’t have any specific evidence to offer because…well, there isn’t any.

            • s. hall

              debbie — Obama is declining in 9 out 14 trust issues. The flip flopper is flopping.

          • sfhillary

            Um, yeah, I too would like to know in which demographic he’s declining. He declined across the board for a couple weeks in late July, no doubt, but he’s already headed back up.

            But no, I do not think PUMA is relevant, and I’m under no illusions about changing the minds of the regular posters here; they are all McCain voters. Yes, I hope to provide a countervailing voice for lurkers here, but the lurkers aren’t PUMAs.

            • Perry Logan

              Just one story, picked at random:

              A recent ABC News/Washington Post survey reveals the first nugget of alarming news for Team Obama. As Obamania reached its frenzied pinnacle in March, fully 66 percent of voters 18-29 told pollsters they were “certain” to cast ballots in November. By late July, that figure dropped by a whopping 20 percentage points, with less than half of the youth vote still vowing to go to the polls this fall.

              A freshly minted Zogby poll that grabbed headlines by highlighting a dramatic McCain comeback in the overall data also features a fascinating youth vote tidbit: “McCain gained 20% and Obama lost 16% among voters ages 18-29. Obama still leads that group, 49%-38%.”
              http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDk5Y2QxMmI4NmNiYmI0MjkxZjY2YTQ3N2MzYWQ4NmU=

        • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

          dum dum dum dum DUM

          bom bom bom bom

          attack of the zombie Obots
          attack of the zombie Trollbots…

          • helen

            Hey Gina
            What are you, one of THOSE PEOPLE?

            COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

            PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

        • http://! Clinton Fan

          Well, that’s all lies….but let’s pretend, to make you feel important and special, that it’s true.

          The question that immediately comes to mind is this–WHY ARE YOU HERE, if your hero is winning handily?

          Doesn’t make sense.

          You should be celebrating, not acting like a needy, desperate, frightened and immature little dick who beats up people who are ‘losers’–that isn’t very “Unity-Hope-Change-Believe”-ish.

          What, are all Obama supporters fucking morons who run around the internet crapping on what they claim are “fringe” groups?

          That’s not change we can believe in…that’s being a childish asshole!

          Naaah, that’s not it. There is a valid reason why you are here.

          You are here, because you are AFRAID.

          Gut-twisting, scrotum-shrivelling, cold sweat, shit-it’s'-all-going-to-hell-and-tanking, FRIGHTENED out of your one-track, KoolAid-addled mind.

          And you should be.

          The Ancient Mariner is going to rule the land for four years, and it’s your Messiah’s fucking fault. Own that, take the blame, and be afraid.

          Your Messiah cheated his way to the nomination, he thought he could persuade the Democratic Party to suck it up and go along, he even tried to call them names (racist) like you’re doing right now, and half of them engaged their brains and said “Fuck NO. You did NOT earn it, Smiley Bullshitter! You’re a corporate crook with no meaningful experience and an inability to speak without a teleprompter. Just like the last asshole. We’ve already had eight years of an addictive personality egomaniac with self-esteem and “daddy” issues, and that was quite enough. Thanks anyway.”

          So be VERY AFRAID, little pudpuller. Be very, very AFRAID.

          • FranSC

            Clinton Fan, I like your vim and vigor in regard to the BO fan you are lecturing. But, I must tell you, BO did not have to convince the Dem Party of anything.

            With the successful arm twisting of SC Rep. Clyburn to change the SC primary to give AA’s an early voice in choosing the eventual nominee, the DNC it seems took BO under their wing from the beginning thinking he was their ticket to victory.

            They tailor-made the primary schedule for O, frontloading the primary contests with not only SC but all the other states with high AA registrations as well. In addition to these sure victories, the grand scheme included focusing on winning the caucus states (mostly repub) and let Move-On.Org organize them ON-Line in addition to the millions of $ they would raise for him as they had done for Dean in 2004.

            The 50-State strategy in its embryonic state was Howard Dean’s 2004 strategy that he didn’t get to use after his gleeful fit he staged following losing the very first contest, that I think he hoped would confuse people into thinking he actually won.

            Later Dean would lobby hard for Chair of the DNC, convinced his strategy of winning all the caucuses to run the delegate count up was a winner and he would call it the “50-State Strategy”. He just needed a pliable candidate. Obviously that wasn’t Hillary who was running her own campaign.

            While O is definitely an ego-maniac, he was and is clueless about how he has gotten to this point. It has been laid out for him. These were NOT his ideas. He didn’t have any serious opposition in any of the other campaigns in which he participated – how could he just innately know this stuff regardless of Harvard? He is way in over his head, and I think he is realizing that.

            It is bound to be humiliating to go from last week being able to act like he was already the president to this week being knocked around like a yo yo.

    • Darryl

      If you are a public official then you know as much as anyone, that not everyone is active. I wonder how many (such as myslef), didn’t send you an email. How many people voted in your district? 404 people in your district sent you an email and you discount it as not being enough? The 404 was a representation not a total count–you should know this.

    • pm317

      It is not so much how big PUMA is but how loud. These are Democrats you should not have to sweat over — these are party loyalists, volunteers who need not be pushed all the way to the polls to vote for the Democrat but they are doing this and that is what should alarm you. The middle America is already writing off Obama — they don’t even get defensive like the PUMAs and have no reservation voting for the repubs; they just say in few words they don’t trust your guy. PUMAs are the voice warning you guys about those guys.

      Obama minions like you crack me up. Let me see you come back with some numbers on Nov. 5.

    • Lucinda

      I’m not a PUMA, but I am a former Hillary supporter who will not vote for Obama. I haven’t emailed any SDs, because frankly, I don’t think it will do much good. IMO, the SDs have dug themselves into a hole (grave) they can’t get out of even if they wanted to.

    • indigogrrl

      intersting though that if there are only 404 PUMAs that over 200 of them have created anti-obama websites and blogs …

      hmmm – count me 405!

    • Uña de Gato

      That’s a lovely story, Joe Joe, but it doesn’t change the fact that Obama is a lousy candidate and he would be a disaster as a president. I’m not voting for him on that alone. The Clinton drama is just a sad spectacle for everyone involved.

    • Lorie

      I didn’t e-mail you,because I know you cannot communicate with cultmembers because of the brainwashing that has taken place. But just wait until November. All you dumbots will need to go to detox, because the Kool-aid fix is going to dry right up and you all with be having the obama DTs.

      McCain 08!
      Hillary 2012!

    • PKJayne

      Are you a Surperdelegate?

      MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM didn’t think so.

      PUMA

    • Disgusted

      Nobody I know is voting for Obama. So using your logic, No one is voting for Obama. Since you know if you don’t see it, it must not exist. What has the election process come to, you would think a delegate would need at least an inkling of intelligence. WOW

    • Peggy Sue

      Well, I can tell you Joe, Joe, Joey that Tuesday, Puma sent 40,000 letters then repeated the effort Wednesday with another 40,000. Today’s mark was 50,000. And those are the true activists vs like-minded members who are joined at the hip and heart in their Obama opposition.

      So, please. Continue to discount us. We’ll see you and all other Obama supporters in November, when the only number that really matters, counts.

      • sfhillary

        You’re right in that November is the only number that ultimately counts. But you are wrong in that there are other numbers that count now in determining what the numbers will be. Go look up the number of field offices and volunteers that Obama has up and running in swing states and compare that to the number of field offices and volunteers that McCain has. The disparity is enormous and historic. You guys really do not understand what wins elections, which is why you will be so shocked in November, when we Democrats crush your asshole Republican scumbag like a freaking bug on the pavement. But that’s okay — you will still reap the benefits of a progressive Obama presidency like a national health care plan, withdrawal from Iraq, investment in alternative energy, etc, instead of suffering from insane McCain/GOP priorities like tax cuts for rich people and oil companies, pro-life Supreme Court Justices, endless occupation of Iraq, etc.

        You PUMAs just have your fun and start your little Obama-hatred blogs and blast out your emails. We true Democrats will still save the world, with you in it.

        • steven Mather

          sfH,

          Is the “progressive Obama presidency” you speak of the one that Obama is rejecting, given the increasing number of Democratic progressives who are publicly pleading with him to pull them out from under his bus?

          “We true Democrats will still save the world, with you in it?” Are you writing his speeches? :)

          Please e-mail me, if your holiday is done.

          SM

          • sfhillary

            Oh, please, Steven. Obama is triangulating toward the middle, just like every successful presidential candidate has more or less done since the invention of the 24 hour news cycle. The sainted Bill Clinton was the absolute master of this, which is why progressives never liked him much, either.

            Yeah, I’m back, I’ll be in touch.

            • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

              BWAAAAHAAAAA

              bom bom bom

              attack of the zombie trollbots……

            • s. hall

              sfh — its called flip flopping.

            • helen

              Do you still get headaches since you had your lobotomy?

              COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

              PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

        • Uña de Gato

          All that proves is that Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor and not getting any results for it. McCain has gotten mucho mileage out of a few rinky-dink ads. Hmm, now who do I want to be in charge of our economy?

          • debbie

            More proof you don’t understand elections. Increasing turnout with GOTV doesn’t show up in pre-election polls.

            • sfhillary

              Correct. In 2004 the GOTV winner was Rove’s operation with evangelicals, which probably accounts for the bulk of why Kerry led Bush by several points right up until Election Day and then lost the popular vote. This year’s Obama GOTV operation absolutely dwarfs even Rove’s ’04 project — and McCain has pretty much nothing. This accounts for the startingly negative advertising that began as soon as Steve Schmidt (a Rove protege and veteran of past Bush campaigns) took over the McCain campaign. Schmidt’s a bright guy and understands that McCain has no real chance of winning this election on his own merits or from GOP ground efforts; their only chance is the utter destruction of Obama as an acceptable candidate. So you PUMAs, of course, will love their campaign more and more as time goes on: they will be relentlessly negative from now until November.

          • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

            Hola Gato!

            arent the zombie trollz kewt tonite!

            :0>

            Hill a ree
            Hill a ree
            Hill a ree

            WooT!!

        • Peggy Sue

          So why all the ansgt if we’re no threat, if you have the election sewn up? The lady doth protest too much!

          And “Democrats will save the world?”

          You’ve been reading too many super-hero comics. BTW, I have always voted with the Dems and come from a long line of hardworking Democratic loyalists.

          But not this year. Not with this candidate.

          But as you said, we’re not important anyway. So, it seems silly to waste so much spleen on the “insignificant, irrelevant” opposition vote.

          Did you catch the flip in the Catholic vote? Thought that was interesting. But hell, Catholics represent a mere 65 million votes [who strangely have traditionally voted Democratic]. Wonder why the shift? So ungrateful, particualrly when you and your Annoited One are going to save the world.

          God works in mysterious ways!

          • sfhillary

            I did not catch the flip in the Catholic vote; please link me if you can. What I do know is that, however you slice and dice it, Obama is still winning enough states to beat McCain — and by a lot, not a little — in the electoral college. And that’s before he really introduces himself to the American public at his convention — which is of course tailor-made for that patented Obama stagecraft — and goes toe to toe with McCain in the debates, where I really do not think McCain will shine, given his general inability to go more than a day or two without making at least one major gaffe about subjects that are supposed to be his expertise.

            If you come from a long line of Democrats then in this hour of great global peril, when the entire world is looking to America to offer responsible leadership in the Middle East, on global warming, on repairing the economy, you should be ashamed of yourself for voting for a hack Republican who is standing there promising to do the wrong, stupid thing on all these issues. If you call yourself a Democrat but are willing to let the next two Supreme Court justices be chosen by John McCain, again — you should truly be ashamed.

            • street_parade

              There’s this thing called Google…type the words Zogby poll into the little box at the top of your computer screen and it will lead you to the information. Jeebus, you Obamabots are a lazy bunch…gimme, gimme, gimme – I can’t do it for myself.

              • debbie

                Zogby?

                Ha! Man, nobody thinks their polls are worth anything.

        • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

          true democrats my ass. Guess your also another inexperienced boob. Kerry was up this time by 30 points but the Republican released their ads against Kerry and he is gone. Well the little twit has now lost his 9 point lead. Take a look at the strawpoll on AOL that is what his map is going to look like. He is not going to win. He pissed to many people off. I am looking forward to a very bright red map this year if Oblowme is the nominiee.

    • steven Mather

      JJJ,

      Like many people on many sides of the issue, you seem to be confused by the difference between being a self-identified PUMA and someone who shares the PUMA ethos. When PUMAs say they represent approximately 3 million voters, they are pointing to the 20% of Hillary Democrats who say they are not voting for Obama, i.e. 3 million/18 million. These people share the PUMA ethos.

      PUMA membership is small, but it is only the tip of a large iceberg of disaffected Democrats.

      Further, and as noted by others here, if PUMA was no threat, you would not be here because you would be working elsewhere to fight the elements that are lending to Obama’s weak showing in the polls. In other words, Obama needs his supporters to be working hard to stop his well-documented slippage in the polls. You are here because you perceive us to be one of the forces that is undermining Obama’s chances for success.

      Logically speaking, your presence here is proof that your assertion that PUMA is no threat is FALSE. You are committing a performative contradiction. What you are doing and saying is no different than if you were to write the comment, “I will never write a comment on No Quarter.”

      Please ask your campaign to send Obama’s best and brightest because what you’ve sent so far represents little challenge to us benchwarmers.

      SM

      • sfhillary

        I’m insufficiently versed in philosophical jargon to know whether this qualifies as a performative contradiction, Steven, but you commit a fairly element error of your own in assuming that NQ constitutes the primary place where we few Obama supporters expend our energies. I’m not (primarily) here in order to win Obama votes. I’m here (primarily) because I enjoy this community’s passion and have fun arguing with them.

        • Perry Logan

          Argue? All you do is tell us how great Obama is doing great and offer up jejune psychoanalyses of our character defects. You obviously think you’re brilliant.

          • steven Mather

            PL

            I love the term ” jejune.” Thank you for doing so where you did.

            SM

        • steven Mather

          sfH,

          I did not say NQ was a primary place. I said:

          “if PUMA was no threat, you would not be here because you would be working elsewhere to fight the elements that are lending to Obama’s weak showing in the polls.”

          and

          “You are here because you perceive us to be one of the forces that is undermining Obama’s chances for success.”

          The extent of my claim is that JJJ’s attendance indicates that of all the places where an Obama supporter might expend energy to defend Obama, this is a place that JJJ thought it was worthwhile to expend energy. No more. No less.

          I am glad you are back because, apart from se, Francis, and Ray, the pro-Obama commentary has suffered while you have been gone.

          SM

          PS Please check out that Zogby poll. It shows where Obama is sliding in the demographics, though it does confirm your electoral college commentary (likelihood of Obama win 58%). This said, the slippage is significant, regardless of who one supports. Obviously, I am pleased with his slippage.

    • bemused

      Joe Joe Joey—

      I gave up emailing people because I realized most don’t care, apparently, as none has ever answered except with an insult. That doesn’t mean I’m not here…

    • http://Dinocrat gardenvariety

      I am one of those who DIDN’T send you an email! Get ready for a November surprise!

      • sfhillary

        LOL. I keep trying to explain to you folks that the November Surprise is going to be Obama’s GOTV operation. Young people — the huge under-25 generation, way bigger than the baby boom — that is just now making its presence felt in national culture and politics, is going to vote in record numbers and sweep Obama to victory. The entire world is going to rejoice at the end of the Republicans’ insane governance and this great turning of the page on the part of American voters. This victory will be seen as the next great evolution of American politics, after FDR in 32 (conservative to liberal) and Reagan in 80 (liberal to conservative). The new progressive era has already begun — see the Democratic blowout in 2006. This November will codify it. You guys just don’t see it coming because you understand neither culture nor media nor politics nor polling demographics. Oh well. You’ll see.

        • pm317

          GOTV, hmmmm, what was that idiom? You can lead a horse to water…{finish it for me}

        • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

          I hate to tell you but he is losing them now he is no longer the new toy lol. I happen to work with young people both whites and blacks are turning away from him. The only thing your going to see is the biggest loss in History and not only the White House but also the House and Senate. Botox Pelisoi is going to be out on her ass and so is John Kerry. I am counting the days down until Obama is back in Il being homeless because that whitey tape is played Michelle’ partnership would be gone. Comeon who is going to want her representing them when they know how she really feels about them. He may lose even the African Americans. He doesn’t seem able to even get Hillary’s African American voters.

    • MEchelle Hates America!

      Gee Joe Joe Joey,

      How about giving us your name political home and e-mail address again ’cause I betcha all the PUMAs here would just love to send you a personalized message.

      Of course, your whole comment is Ludacrap anyway.

      You are confusing SuperDs with pledged delegates.

      The number of e-mails is indicative of little, other than what kind of filter your e-mail system uses.

      Even if I were to play along and pretend that you weren’t inventing this shit.

      Why didn’t you provide your name, political home and e-mail address?

    • Joe

      I guess you won’t mind then if we either stay away from the voting booth in November or just cast a vote for the other guy with the white hair, right? If so, why are you wasting your time here then?

      • sfhillary

        No, Joe, we don’t mind. We’ve long since built the hardcore Obama-hating vote into our electoral models, which assume you are all McCain voters and project an easy Obama victory anyway. Really, the only places your numbers are electorally significant is the Appalachian belt, most of which is red states anyway. Western Pennsylvania could be an issue; other than that — sorry, you’re trivial. And thank god there are fewer of you every electoral cycle.

        • pm317

          Don’t give out all your secrets. Repubs on this board may very well do something about it {like have their superb GOTV — after all there are no PUMAs, on their side}

        • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

          ok, so they think they can pull disenfranchised democrats “back into the fold” by insulting and criticizing them? That’s interesting.
          All it does for me is turn me off more and more from their arrogant movement and make me more steadfast in my decision to break from the party line for the first time in my voting life.
          I don’t think you have the best plan there sf, but hey, that’s just an opinion from one of the “trivial” 8 million voters (the plurality) that voted for Hillary. (I know, plurality is a big word for you, use dictionary.com to look it up if you need to)

    • fif

      You do not understand the definition of PUMA. It includes anyone who will not support the corrupt practices of the DNC and Obama. Do you really think the entire movement is composed of people who take the time to cut & paste emails? Those emails are only generated by one site, and there are over 200 PUMA groups. I get those emails and can only do them periodically, because I have 2 jobs. Then, there are all the PUMA’s (in spirit) who aren’t even on the internet who are angry and will not support Obama. We will all speak clearly on Nov. 4.

    • Phoebe

      Joe Joe, I’m a registered pub and have joined here to do what I can to bring your man down. if you only knew how many people on both sides of the aisle are working against your candidate, you’d wipe that smug look off your face.

      • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

        The truth of the matter is Hillary got the true democrats and Obama got the African Americans. The kids are now bored with him and now we are stuck with DUMBO for the selectee. If we were so insufficient then why would you be here. You Obots chase us all over the internet and harrass us. Why? Because even if Obama lost 2% of us he will lose. I bet the map is going to look at the Straw poll. I say the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign is merging nicely.

    • mimi

      OK, Joe Joe Joey,

      Not so fast. I’m not voting 0bama and I didn’t send an email and neither did others that I know. PUMA is a movement and I respect their efforts, but I stated from the beginning I intend to chart this course alone until Election Day when I go into the booth and pull the lever for McCain. And many are doing the same. After all, with all the cries of ‘racism,’ threats of violence, a lot of people are just downright intimidated and prefer to keep silent until they go into the voting booth. That’s why Donna Brazile wants us to stay home. With the help of the msm, distorting the whole picture, a lot of people are downright discouraged. They’re not getting the whole pcture.

      But I assure you, there are pockets of people scattered everywhere who will not vote for this man.

      So believe what you like at this point. On Election Day we all will see.

    • Grego3034

      I guess we’ll just see…A friends son just returned from the elite volunteer thing for Bo and said it was a complete disaster Hated it and hated the people working on the campaign ..thought they were all brainwashed..he’s only 18…

    • elise

      Is that you Debbie or Joe? There is something oddly familiar and similar. It’s not that I care you want to post (or paste) under two different names, but where’s your imagination and creativity?

    • stodghie

      why don’t you just shut up and go back to obama land. i am losing what patience i had left with obama fans. he has done nothing and will do nothing. this isn’t american idol.

  • simanov

    The destruction of the Democratic Party is complete.

    If Obama had a track record and ANY proven leadership skills beyond gaming the system, I might be able to get on board. He does not.

    If Obama had not said almost the exact opposite of what his campaign has lead people to believe he believes – I might be able to get on board.

    If Obama had not railed against lobbyists while taking boat loads of cash from the exact same GOP bundlers as Bush- I might get on board.

    JFK: Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.
    BHO: If everyone would just inflate their tires we would not need to drill.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the four horsemen of the Democratic party’s apocalypse: Barry, Nancy, Howard, and Donna. Give them a hand! Enjoy the buffet! They’ll be here all week!

    http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/08/destruction-of-democratic-party-is.html

    • ritamary

      Yeah, this is the quote I like:

      Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the four horsemen of the Democratic party’s apocalypse: Barry, Nancy, Howard, and Donna. Give them a hand! Enjoy the buffet! They’ll be here all week!

  • vinnie

    If the Dems hand picked this guy, then they deserve to lose. Once the repubs and PUMAs really make noise about his lack of transparency, the shit will really hit the fan for him. Sorry Barry, but there’s no bounce because we’re on to you. FRAUD!

  • jangles

    Dear Delegate: I find it interesting that you conclude that if you only received 400 letters inspired by PUMA then it must be a very small movement. While I consider myself to be in that cat family, I don’t send out emails in that fashion. I am sure there are others in my category. But that is neither here nor there. The remarkable thing about your comment, if you are in fact who you say you are, is your arrogance and your perfect example of what it is about Obama and his supporters that so many of us find abhorrent.

    • DisenfranchisedVoter

      Same with me. I am a member of PUMA but I have not had the time to send out any letters. But I do plan to send one to the DNC asking them to strip Donna Brazile of her superdelegate status. That is one I cannot pass up.

      I think 400 letters is pretty good. I read somewhere that PUMA has about 5,000 members and that doesn’t include the thousands more like my mother who is not an internet user but is a Democrat voting for McCain in this election. There are millions more that PUMA has not reached yet. Disaffected Democrats don’t need to join PUMA. They just need to protest on election day when they vote for McCain or a third party candidate.

      • indigogrrl

        there are way many more PUMAs than 5000 (that may be the official PUMA PAC membership)….just look at how many hits the PUMA sites are getting

      • PKJayne

        It’s the silent dissenting PUMAS they should fear.

        Just sayin.

    • Hope Floats

      I think this delegate is the douchebag who was selling his vote on ebay. Yawn.

  • http://takeaction.wordpress.com/ A.Citizen

    And thanks to the ‘Worst Speaker Evah!’ McCain and his folks can run ‘Do nothing Democrats….’ ads til they run out of money. Which they will not.

    Yeah, the ReThugs get a lot of blame for destroying the country but when folks look at the Dems what do they see?

    A bunch who cannot find their assholes with either hand led by a fool who spends most of his time with one foot in his mouth.

  • beachnan

    People are underestimating the PUMA movement, and will regret that mistake come November. Just because you only received 404 postcards, is not an indication of how big this movement is. I should have sent postcards, but didn’t, however, I feel very strongly that Obama should not be the Democratic candidate. I am the only one in my family who goes online, but their are 6 of us in my immediate family that will never vote BO. The press and others keep trying to boil this down to hurt feelings over Hillary. It’s a lot more than that. Not only was she the stronger candidate, but she did win the popular vote. Beyond, Hillary, though, we are totally against Obama. He is not quallified and we will be putting country before party. Don’t have time to list all the reasons why he is not qualified–there isn’t enough space.

    • mesofreee

      I agree. If it is truly a small movement then why are you bothering with coming in here? Why waste your time? I think that 404 number was pulled out of your a**. Also, I don’t think a delegate would come in here and post at all, let alone a snobbish attack post actually identifying themselves.

  • Linda C.

    Joe
    Your post makes no sense. There are PUMA and there there are those who will not vote for Obama and don’t protest about it or organize.

    If PUMA was indeed a small organization then Obama would be doing much better than what he really is. McCain hasn’t even managed to put a campaign together yet in any cohesive fashion and he is still competitive.

    What PUMA are indeed saying among many other things is that Obama is not electable and not qualified to be president.

    Ohio is a belle weather state. Obama isn’t going to win Ohio. He can win the election without Ohio, but he isn’t going to win Florida either. He will loose the south entirely. He wants Virginia, Indiana and Colorado. This is the only way to secure the election if he looses either Michigan or PA. He has readily pissed off PA and MI voters. I don’t think he will take Virginia either. He may get Indiana if he selects Bayh.

    The McCain ads were brilliant. McCain may take the short term heat for them, but Obama will always be viewed differently if he tends to hold those large rallies. They will not benefit him. He will have to come to earth and play politics on McCain’s level

    • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

      PA is going to be so red it isn’t funny. I do not even see him taking his home state in the fall. PA is going to be red. McCain can fall asleep and sleep until the night before election and still beat Oblowme.

  • jangles

    Obama is not getting a bounce because he has failed miserably to develop party unity. He ran a primary campaign that laid down a scorched earth for HRC supporters. I do not see how this can be overcome and if it can not be overcome then Dems are in real trouble. I think we need to form a national party that is committed to checks and balances—no party should ever again be able to control a majority in the congress and the presidency. In this 21st century such an arrangement is a total set up for bad government, regardless of who the dominating party might be. If Dems have the congress, then we need to elect a Republican president to keep them from going power crazy.

    • Hope Floats

      That’s just it. He insulted Hillary Clinton as a woman so he could undermine her candidacy. It was unforgivable to a real feminist. There is no healing that or unity to be had. He cheated and fought dirty, the whole time adding insult to injury by acting all holier-than-thou and paying lip service to hope and change. It was disgusting.

      • wac for hillary

        I love how he’s going on vacation while Hillary is making appearances on his behalf. In my opinion, Mr. User is a Loser!

      • debbie

        You know what’s the best evidence that those anti-feminists hurt Clinton? It’s that those really progressive states like West Virginia voted for her while the really conservative states like Oregon voted for Obama.

        • Linda K

          Give me a break, Debbie. I live in Oregon. It is not a conservative state. We have pockets of conservative people like we have pockets of progressive people. I actually live in an area that voted your candidate with the largest margin and each time I think of that I am sick. I’m out there every day casting doubts with his supporters. I loved walking in to Border’s Books yesterday and seeing The Case Against Obama front and center – first thing you see when you walk into the store. And college students persuing the book. For the first time in my life I’m rooting for the conservatives to win this state. I’m going to help them any way I can.

  • Katmoon

    Sorry for the off topic there was a breaking news scroll, that Bill Clinton is going to speak Wednesday at the DNC. Will check further.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Joe Joe Joey; “piqued my interest”?

    I am very curious why you support Senator Obama.

    Perhaps, I would ask through the chair for a colloquy.

    I would hope as a delegate you understand your responsibilities, and am curious what you believe them to be.

    So I will check back and see if you care to elaborate.

    AS an FYI 404 emails is not what you should take stock by if you need a metric. It should be what your candidate is failing to do.

    Respectfully a kite.

    • Joe

      I’m curious too as to why he supports the Messiah. Is it because of his stand on FISA, on oil drilling, universal health care or campaign finance? Or will he admit that he is just a lemming?

  • cackicoo

    commented to a woman today about her hillary sticker on car…we got into a conversation and shes been a dem for 40 yrs (me 35) never voted repub!she will NEVER vote for obama.. she had never heard of puma but had been doing EVERYTHING puma has been doing…i told her you are one of the millions of invisible pumas and you dont even know it…obama is not going to be crammed down our throats…no deal jo jo

  • hootnannie

    And PUMA’s are not the only ones who will not vote for Obama. If this fool indeed gets the nomination, the RAM will see to it that the only bounce he gets is out the door!

  • Hope Floats

    Mr. Fist Bump snorted it.

  • voterinexile

    Dear Delegate,
    There are many ways to measure a market. Your reasoning that the PUMA movement must be small is – as you say – only based on your incoming email which is by definition a small sampling of the PUMA activity taking place.

    Will Bower – one of the founders of PUMA PAC who was on Fox News again this afternoon (and will be on in the morning to continue the discussion) – gave us a pretty good idea of how big the PUMA movement is a few weeks.

    Some facts from Will:

    -240 separate websites (and counting) are in the PUMA/JSND coalition – many are PACs, some are independent blogs
    -some 2.2 registered users at these websites
    -PUMAs have raised between $6-9 million within a 3-week period from June 7 to end of June to help retire HRCs debt

    There has always been a rule of thumb used in the media for measuring ‘pass along’ readership – the same is true on the Web. Lurkers – it is fair to say – increase the active, measurable user base by about ten-fold. (The ratio for pass along readers in print media is about the same; TV still doesn’t have an accurate way of measuring eyeballs since – let’s face it, the family dog could be watching TV. There are many other ways to measure TV viewing but won’t go it into.)

    Will Bower will be issuing fund raising numbers for the month of Jul/Aug soon.

    Yes, we will be in Denver.

    No one including PUMAs can measure the full impact on the convention, delegates and the course of this election that our efforts are having.

    We DO know that this type of faulty reasoning does not win elections! This kind of bogus debate tactic wouldn’t fly in any real job, and politics is no exception.

    Aside from the numbers story, it is also clear that you are blind, deaf and dumb to our concerns…which is precisely why our numbers our growing exponentially as we speak.

    I hope you sleep well tonight with the knowledge that you’ve turned over every stone in determining how you might cast your ballot in Denver.

    (You would have a clear conscience if your district by chance voted for Obama in your primary.)

    ==========Thanks NancyA for the round-up!

  • Darryl

    I am a superdelegate and I will change my vote based on the number of puma emails I recieved. Thank you for letting me know your concerns.

  • WIldChild

    The real reason Obama has failed to get above the 50% mark is his inability to increase his support in key demographic groups.

    I think there is a practical ceiling on how many people will shed their brains and start robotically tarring everyone who opposes the precious as racists.

  • gotalife

    President Clinton will speak at the convention.

    • PKJayne

      I wish he wouldn’t.

      • Mandelay

        He could say “I’m not a racist, Barry.” and then leave the stage.

        • debbie

          He’ll make a kick-ass speech against the Republicans and for the Democratic nominee — and the crowd there and at home will go nuts.

          • WildChild

            After which, we’ll shut off our TV’s

            • StrawberrybitesBarky

              MSNBC just reported Clinton will speak at the convention and I don’t mean Hillary…Barky is sooooooo fucking dead. I’m dying here. Look ya little bovine, debbie, the BIG DAWG is going to show you how REAL politicians do it. Barky will look like the turd he is next to the only democrat to serve two terms in 40 years. Suck it ya little generation Y’er. We x’ers and boomers are going to eat you alive.

        • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

          I think he is going to sock Berry in the face for all the things he did to Hillary and Bill. He will of course not hit him if his wife gets the nomination. I say Hillary will campaign until after the convention then she will just become sick to help. She can’t get us to change our minds anyway.

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      of course, Big Dawg is OUR party leader despite what the cabal of dunces is trying to do and I am glad to listen to him anytime

      LOVE BIG DAWG
      LOVE HILLARY

      PUMAS ROOL AND OBOTS DROOL

  • anna shane

    and yet he knows that we don’t need catharsis, don’t need a chance to clap and cry over our defeat?

    Barack’s theory (see Barack’s theoretical impasse, somewhere in the archives) means he listens and goes for consensus. He’ll have to throw that out with the baby if he doesn’t ask Hillary onto his ticket, that one won’t ever fly if he can’t unify the party. We’re waiting and meantime he’s losing ground.

    but at least he’s figured out that he has to stop running those weird ads, that seem to help McCain and not him, and work to equalize their bank accounts.

    • debbie

      Oh, anna shane, I never believed it when people at mydd said you posted here. But here you are!

      Please take a shower before you come back to mydd.

      • Chelsea Patriot

        And you, Debbie, please douche before you come back to No Quarter…

        Every Hole this time, debbie

        • http://hillarysmygirl08.wordpress.com Hillaryormccain08

          yes because you stink like the shit your Master makes you sleep in. Debbie you smell so bad your making my eyes water. What are you going to do when the Republicans have all three branches of government. Obama will take is Non American ass back to whatever strange Country he actually was born in. His wife doesn’t like it either here maybe she can join him and then the US will be happy.

  • Annie Oakley

    Ha. We’ve gone from “slippage”to “shrinkage” to “stalls.” Can “plummets” be far off? Rove has got to be laughing his ass off.

    • MEchelle Hates America!

      OVER THE CLIFF OBLOWME!

  • CB

    Doesn’t take a political genius to figure out. Numero Uno–Unqualified.

    He was sinking as the nomination contest was forced to a close.
    Even with all of the media behind him, he wasn’t selling. Outspending 3 or 4 to 1 wasn’t working.

    His lead in delegates came from 1.1 million voters in caucus states versus his opponent’s lead from 34.5 million voters in primary states.

    During the Iowa caucus, Joe Biden would look out at the crowd and shout “Hello, Chicago!” The Chicago machine merged with the DNC. It shouldn’t come to Washington.

  • wodiej

    I am not watching the Dem convention I don’t care who is speaking. It would only piss me right off that the Clintons are stumping for Obama. Maybe they have to because that is how the game is played. But the rest of us don’t have to play the game and won’t. So all you little Obama trolls keep floating on that dream cloud you’re on. After the convention, you, Brazile, Pelosi, Obama, Axelrod and all the rest will be eating the words PARTY UNITY MY ASS.

    • Disgusted

      I will be watching the Dem convention, with both eyes open. I may need a barfbag. I have to witness just how badly these people have sold out. Is there any morality or integrity left in the democratic party? I hope the whole world watches and gets pissed off. Being pissed off isn’t always a bad thing.

      • PKJayne

        I’ll be watching with a pitcher of mojitos and a bucket of dry sponges to throw at the tv.

        • WildChild

          OMG that’s funny :)

      • wodiej

        I agree, I agree it’s good to get angry sometimes but I just dont’ think I can stomach the convention. I’ll have to blog to hear what happened for those who can handle it.

        • Mandelay

          For a giggle, it might be fun to watch with the sound off … the body language should be a hoot.

          • Uña de Gato

            I plan to watch while vacuuming. The sound of my Kenmore will be more sonorous than that mess at Invesco Field.

            • http://Dinocrat gardenvariety

              I intend to watch on c-span, gavel to gavel, including the protests…pass the popcorn,please!

        • Linda K

          I’m with you. I won’t be able to stomach watching to convention either. I’m sick enough already without adding to it.

      • mimi

        I don’t see how you could subject yourself to this orgiastic spectacle. I’ve already made my plans to avoid this trainwreck and I will not rubberneck. Bill and Hillary Clinton are politicians, they are Democrats, as the former President and First Lady, now Senator, they are public figures. They have obligations and I’m not naive enough to have bought into some romantic ideal that they should have cast everything aside just because that’s what we think they should do.

        I am not them and they are not me.

        This has been the plan from the beginning. To throw this orgy with celebutards like George Clooney, Scarlett Johanssen, JayZ, PDiddy, Spike Lee, Denzel Washington, Bernie Mac, Caroline Kennedy, Tim Russert’s son will be working the Convention for nbc – you name it, they will be there. All for the benefit of people like you who just can’t say, ENOUGH!

        They plan to pull every trick, tug every heart string, cater to the celebrity whore in Americans that we’ve become and just like a revival media, they hope there will be converts and voila! The Chosen One will get a bounce and the msm will play it like it was Second-Coming.

        If we don’t give them an audience, they will fail.

        Please reconsider.

    • wac for hillary

      I think I’ll watch a DVD, maybe “Clear and Present Danger” or “The Longest Day” or “Idiocracy”.

      • http://Dinocrat gardenvariety

        May I suggest “The Manchurian Candidate”?

        • wac for hillary

          Excellent choice!

          • jwrjr

            If somebody renames “Night of the Lemur” to Night of the Lemming”, then it would be a documentary of the DNC.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          May I suggest any M. Night Shyamalan flick, with its imminent shocking ending, one that turns your world upside down and inside out? B’coz that’s what were all in right now.

          Every fiber of my being tells me something along the lines of the Michelle “whitey” tape will surface soon.

          That mindless obamaton Keith “I hate myself for being white” Olbermann actually, but skeptically, reported the LA Times was sitting on some explosive scandal about an affair concerning one of the key Democratic candidates. Although it now looks like it might be John Edwards, Olbermann thought it was about Obama. (Olbermann said people he knew and trusted kept insisting it was true.)

          I suspect the corporate media has a mountain of dirt on Obama, as well as McCain, but they will expose only Obama, now that they’ve gotten Hillary and Bill out of the picture. Hillary would have been unbeatable in the general election. She also would have won if the corporate media & the GOP didn’t join in and support Obama’s incessant and scurrilous race-baiting, gender-baiting, and character assassinations of both Clintons.

        • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

          excellent choice. The Manchurian Candidate might end up being a biography instead of a fictional movie.
          Just look how “wag the dog” laid out bush’s plan for everyone to see.

      • stodghie

        that sounds like a great idea.

  • david in iowa

    It was and continues to be a campaign of style over substance, big crowds and cheering, and “thought provoking speeches. But as the actual day to elect a president comes closer, the smoke and mirrors can no longer hide the gaps-weakness-of the candidate. We are electing the next President of the United states, not the home-coming king.

    But at that convention, the super-stupid delegates will pick the weaker candidate and as lemmings to sea grab defeat from the jaws of victory as they jump of the cliff together in November

    • Lorie

      I am voting a straight repbulican ticket this year. Enough of this bullshit the dems are trying to pull.

      Obambabots……go a head and call me racist.If I am racist because I vote for the most qualified candidate then I am the biggest racist in America.

      I was a 20+ year Democrat,but I will never be part of this hostile takeover by the left wing psychos!
      I love this country albeit we are going through some rough times I will never sell out to the middle east and terrorist such as obambis best friends.

  • Lorie

    Hey bumbots see if you can get your little heads around this.This is what is going to happen to your piggybanks when if by some illegal action your chosen ones gwts in

    http://atr.org/content/html/2008/june/0616-obama_mccaintaxes.html

  • TeakwoodKite

    BO should stop giving pressers at 30,000 ft.

    And Donna can shove it..”there is really no division right now”….

    What is she smokin?

    • Uña de Gato

      Donna’s wig is on too tight and has cut the circulation off to her brain. She saw Obama’s poll numbers and choked on her chewing gum.

  • Bell’Artista

    “Magic Bump”, “Slippage”, “Shrinkage”
    This is starting to sound like an episode of Seinfeld…. or the Ken Doll I had when I was a little girl.

    Is this the “Magic Bump” Obama was trying to show on his plane with denim clad legs splayed?
    I can’t think of any other Magic Bump connected to Obama….

    • wac for hillary

      Thanks a lot; I had finally gotten the video of Obama and his groupies on the plane out of my head. Now it’s back again and as disgusting as before. The other words sound like plastic surgery problems.

      • wac for hillary

        Now that I think about it, maybe “Slippage” and “Shrinkage” are problems with his “Magic Bump”.

        • StrawberrybitesBarky

          Best comment of the night. I bow at your greatness.

  • cathnealon

    She says ‘there is no division’ like BO thinks he is already the president–there strategy seems to be just keep saying something and acting “as if” and it will come true. That might work in Chicago but in a GE you need the working class(the bitter people)the over 40 crowd and the middle class to win–he won’t have any of those demographics; the young people whose parents are paying for their educations, living expenses, etc will do what their parents tell them in November and by that time BO will have been exposed for the fraud he is. I can’t wait.

  • susan

    I am beside myself with joy and can hardly wait to see how Obama drops in the polls once Corsi’s book, ‘The Obama Nation” becomes #1 on the NYT’s bestseller list over the weekend!!! Everybody wave bye-bye to Barack Obama and the DNC! Freddoso’s book, “The Case Against Barack Obama” is #3. Life is good. Keep that “pantsuit” pressed and ready, Hillary!

    • Uña de Gato

      LOL, I like that sentiment.

    • debbie

      Republican slime has sold well for many years. Book sales don’t translate into votes. If it did, then how did the Democrats win so big in 2006?

      • stodghie

        hey lady have you checked their poll numbers lately? they are lower than bush. are you stupid or what.

    • wac for hillary

      I was in Walmart this morning; both books were prominently displayed. Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope” (paperback) didn’t look like it was flying off the shelves. Either the stockers made a mistake, or they actually knew what they were doing because Obama’s book was in the fiction section.

  • debbie

    After Bill Clinton’s brilliant speech for Obama Wednesday of convention week, Democrats will be united.

    • gotalife

      He will speak before the VP nominee that could be his wife.

      “Exxon Mobil Donated More Money To Obama Than McCain”

      Change?

      BS, business as usual.

      • wac for hillary

        Let’s hope Hillary doesn’t take the job; all Obama would want her for is to do the actual work while he gets the credit. I wish Bill and Hillary would get as far away from Obama as possible.

      • mimi

        Not a good sign.

        I really think HIllary’s going to be the VP.

        • wac for hillary

          Please don’t let it happen unless Obama is found to be ineligible to run for the Presidency.

    • AX10

      Kos really misses you right now.
      You should go back there.
      Country before party!

    • stodghie

      bill is speaking for democrats and not obama you dumb bxxxx!

    • WildChild

      …in turning off our TV’s. After Big Dawg speaks, the shows over.

  • debbie

    See these graphs comparing the polls of 2004 with 2008:
    http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/state-of-the-ca.html

  • Al C.

    Funny:

    “That gap between expectations and reality comes as Democrats enjoy the most favorable political winds since at least 1976.”

    That year, I was in college and followed with interest what was happening on the Democratic side, being the first post-Watergate election. Dems insisted on pushing a outsider/change candidate named Carter. As I recall Mo Udall was distant second in the delgeate count, and was still on the nomination roll call vote. Anyway, I felt Carter was the wrong person for the time, but the Dems did what they did anyway. Granted, they won the election, but I was proven correct – they had pushed the wrong candidate. This led to 12 subsequent yearsof Reagan and Bush.

    Are the Dems (I am now referring to the party leaders in the person) are pushing a candidate I do not believe is the one this nation needs. Will we have a repeat of 1976, and in 4 years a repeat of 1980?

    :-\

  • Peggy Sue

    Don’t count on it!

    I don’t care if Bill Clinton delivers the Gettysburg Address, I will never support this nomination.

    • debbie

      Of course YOU won’t. But there are lots of other folks out there who will.

      • Bye bye Obambi

        Doubtful.

        • ming the merciless

          My Magic 8 Ball tells me something entirely different.

          • WildChild

            consult your magic eight ball much?…. or just for the important decisions?

      • jwrjr

        Wrong (as usual).

      • stodghie

        hey debbie, you are losin your ass and i say wonderful. it will be a great day to see your pathetic piece of shix candidate lose.

      • helen

        debbie
        Moses could come down from the mount and I and many others would not vote for this racist, anti-america, know nothing.

        COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

        PUMAS, BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • wac for hillary

      I wonder if Obama will demand to see the speech in advance to make sure Bill plays nice.

      • debbie

        Every speech at the national conventions are always vetted by the nominee’s folks. That’s the norm and has been for over 30 years.

        • wac for hillary

          You are telling me that Mr. Wannabe will demand that a former President of the United States hand over his speech so it can be “vetted”. I hope Bill Clinton tells Obama to shove it up his ass if that happens!

        • stodghie

          you open your mouth and run it a lot so now prove your comment.

      • Papoose

        Bill can play the That Game. Not only does he not need a teleprompter, he doesn’t need a ‘script.

        I miss him. But ~ I hear him loud and clear. Hillary and Bill will go down in History for one of the Greatest Stories Ever Told. He is so lucky and worthy that Hillary ‘hung’ in there.

        Smooches! This too, shall pass.

    • Papoose

      I’ll sign up that petition, Peggy Sue.

      I’ll stand in front of the supermarket with it.

      Lincoln has passed. We are now.

  • debbie

    Maybe this is why Bill Clinton is speaking:
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/bubba-by-numbers.html

    • stodghie

      you silly dumbie, bill clinton is speaking because he is the most successful democrat in 30 years and that includes that sorry ass you support. got it.

  • cdo

    Obama’s gonna go on vacation, and the press will be eating up Hillary campaigning….

    During the smog-choked Olympics, Obama’s 5 million dollar ad buy will further Obama fatigue.

    Then the Clinton’s, Bill and Hillary, will be the news of the convention.

    Gee, hope The One wasn’t hoping to get a bounce out of August! LMAO, ain’t gonna happen!

    :) :) :)

    • Perry Logan

      I’ll bet his negatives are getting a huge bounce. People are already so sick of this guy.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrHKrSfkxM

      • debbie

        Why don’t you actually, you know, look and see IF his negatives are getting a big bounce instead of “betting” they are?

    • debbie

      Um, Hillary and Bill will be campaigning for Obama.

      Are you implying that they are ineffective campaigners?

      • elise

        Debbie (or Joe Joe as the case may be), Bill Clinton is he most nuanced political speaker I have ever heard. It’s how he won the presidency twice. I’ll be listening to him, bet on it, and I’ll be listening for what he doesn’t say. If you really think he is going to put his legacy on the line for someone as unqualified as this person, you know nothing. BTW. How do you feel about FISA, public financing, off shore drilling, faith based initiatives, Rev. Wright, hand gun bans and Dick Cheney’s energy bill or NAFTA? Don’t have an opinion, I guess? If all those things are too much for you, just pick one and explain your position and Obama’s position. Tell me if you will, what was his position on whichever one you choose, six months ago and what your position was six months ago. I have yet to receive an answer on any question of substance from any Obama supporter (troll) here. Tell me why you support him and what you were saying about the Clintons six months ago and why you seem to think it’s important for these two people to endorse or campaign for Obama. Give me some insight into what you think will happen if he should (God forbid) be our next president. Is he going to end world hunger, war, change the climate, part the Red Sea? What will he do the day after he is elected to the toughest job in the world? Will he need another vacation between now and then? What happens if he is elected and his past is revealed to be something different from what he has said simply because the media and the DNC have failed in their duty to vett him the way every presidential candidate in recent history has been vetted? Just answer something, anything.

  • cdo

    Oh, and it won’t make a bit of difference WHAT Bill and Hillary say in the next few weeks.

    The only thing that will matter is that they are still here.

  • debbie

    Is this a diary by Alegre? I wonder since it’s very similar to the one she posted at her site.

    • Peggy Sue

      Ahhh, so you’re reading the sites of the “irrelevant and inconsequential” opposition. Why is that when every Obamatron posts we’re told the “election” is a foregone conclusion?

      Cut me a break. If it were such a sure deal, why are you here? To witness or convert the savages?

      Don’t quit your day job!

    • stodghie

      that is none of your business.

  • Papoose

    I dig Perry Logan.

  • Babs

    After the stunt just pulled by Pelosi to turn off the lights in the House and go home without allowing a vote on the energy bill and off-shore drilling supported by 70% of Americans, don’t you think people are having second thoughts about what we would be in store for with Pelosi, Reid, and an Obama presidency? Frightening, absolutely frightening. If you think Pelosi is abusing her power now, imagine what she’ll do with Obama in the White House – good-bye democracy!
    By the way, Pelosi’s book is #1512 in sales of all books on Amazon, and it’s getting panned right and left by reviewers on their website. Couldn’t happen to a more despicable person.

  • Alien

    SFhillary & debbie -you cannot say what will happen as in the case of Democrats voting /not voting for Obama . You do not own the future.

    As I can see ,everybody on NQ is speaking or themselves. How many are like them you dont know.

    You seem to think you own anyone who is a former /disillusioned democrat.

    In the past they have given the Dem party their vote & efforts -they have not given them their lives.

  • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

    Obama’s numbers are actually must worse for HUGE two reasons:

    1. The mean season (swiftboating) has yet to begin.

    2. This is such a horrible year for Republicans, for white males, for status quo. Someone preaching and promising “change” should be 20 points ahead.

    Guess is must be the typical white person is racist and he or she “clings to… antipathy towards those that aren’t like them… antipathy towards immigrants.”

    Or it could be that they’re not buying into Barack O’Bullshit’s condescending garbage, his incessant flip-flopping and lying about not flip-flopping.

    1. Defend Wright one day, attack him weeks later.
    2. Defend Trinity Church one day, leave 2 months later.
    3. Be for single payer health (universal) care one year, then attack Hillary’s universal plan.
    4. Vote for gas tax holiday one year, then condemn it in 2008 (to change the subject from Wright to substantive issues.)
    5. Condemn the impending war with Iraq in 2003, then say he didn’t know how he’d vote in 2004 in defending Kerry’s flip-flop.
    6. Against the surge in Iraq, then for the surge.
    7. Pro-Palestine to Pro-Israel.
    8. Iran is not a threat, to Iran is an imminent threat.
    9. Anti-FISA to Pro-FISA.
    10. Not counting Florida & Michigan to half-counting to full counting.
    11. Against offshore drilling to pro offshore drilling.
    12. Against the old politics, but incessantly uses it, i.e. race-baiting, character assassination, gender baiting.
    13. For public Financing in 2007, then against it in 2008.
    14. Anti-free trade to pro-free trade.
    15. Against running for President as inexperienced freshman Senator to running for President as a vastly underqualified vaccuous race-baiting idiot.
    16. etc. Etc. ETC.

  • Salt

    It’s not only stalled in my opinion that happended back in Feb but polls also see CBS overtly biased but Obama support is softer than McCain’s by about 30 percent of those that say they will vote for him, and he is doing poorly with Independents so that too doesn’t fit the media message.

    My Prediction unless pollsters assist and I don’t think media can help him anymore they are not trusted on anything Obama or on Clinton as their favorite Btch to punch as the oppressor of the One’s difference, Chuck Todd yesterday is a good example, Cafferty needs a diversity class CNN surely you risk much, Brown at CNN wow they hate either strong women or Hillary I don’t miss any of those rancid shows and it’s hard to believe I ever watched. Anyway back to my prediction and by the way I am not for this outcome, if Obama dose not pick Hillary, Obama will not only not bump but sink like a rock. From what I am hearing many about 40 percent believe Hillary is still the better candidate but as loyal Dems support Obama even now, and the really raw feeling about the Clyburn swift boating of Bill Clinton as racist of the year and the belief by some silly Dems that the RBC will be overruled and the Delegates counted as they should be making Hillary rightly the nominee based on the will of the Base. Add the problems; Obama’s rookie status he is flaming when he is not on the teleprompter and while McCain’s out meeting relating with real people in small groups on issues and pounding Bush, the tone deaf Obama, who is going to accept in a football stadium a self congratulation of himself modesty Dems is truly a virtue even in the non celebrity culture; and while having Bill speak was to me not an option, it will not heal the Base loss from the Clyburn Swift Boating of this beloved successful Dem while fellows stayed quite and allowed Obama surrogates to pile and the mistrust now from this vile stunt has come home to roost. It is true that Hillary like Kerry blew it by not acting forcefully enough cowered by intimidation but in any event the corresponding result now is mis trust of the Democratic agenda, as there should be,sad of course but better than had it been successful and Democrats to have become what they hated.

  • counterpoint

    Dear sfhillary,

    Obama will lose in ’08. The electoral polls to which you refer have Obama marginally “up” over McCain, unless of course, you award him the “leaning votes” and
    “toss up States”, as you obviously have. Regarding the National Polling, at best, he’s keeping his head above water, without the major growth you would expect based on his national media coverage which has been universally positive

    Finally, you go at lengths to congratulate his “run to the middle” as his recognition of political necessity, instead of intellectual honesty.

    So, several questions: a. his entire primary campaign was focused on the fact that he was a “different kind of politician”, so was he lying to Democrats then, or is he lying to them now? b. If he’s a true Progressive, why is he running away from true progressive ideology? c. based on the empirical evidence of his voting record and bill sponsorship in the Chicago House, and in the US Senate, please tell me why you consider him a Progressive. d. why are the core constituency demographics you cited so narrowly focused, and exclude the vast majority of voters not representative of the demos you cited?

    Obama hasn’t cracked the 50% mark in any national polling at any time during his candidacy, a key mark which would truly reflect the widespread support you suggest. Additionally, he is leading McCain by roughly the same margins that Kerry led Bush, and Gore led Bush at this point in their campaigns. You may remember that both of them lost.

    Finally, The Minions of Rove haven’t even begun to do what they do best: destroy opposing candidates. The 2008 election will put Dems significantly in control of both Houses of Congress. That’s the best you can hope for, but if ‘past is prologue’, the “blue dog Democrats”, entrenched Democratic Senators, and the leadership of people like Pelosi and Reid does not bode well for Progressive causes.

    The Democratic Party is basically the Republican Party Lite – having long-since forgotten their core constituency, and practice governance by exchanging whining and capitulation, for leadership and fecklessness. Oh, and the swipe you took at Bill Clinton’s Presidency – he inherited a massive economic meltdown, and beginning with the Gingrich Revolution, faced a toxic Congress. You blithely dismiss not only the great financial turn around he accomplished, but the social programs he presented which led to higher literacy, fewer people on welfare, a vast increase in the number of police on the streets, a consistent reduction of crime on the streets, and of course, the miracle of job creation and economic well-being for everyone. I disagreed with many of his compromises, but at the end-of-the-day, Obama doesn’t come close to his erudition, accomplishment, and success in BEATING REPUBLICANS.