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The Devastation Continues

In Haiti. I assume that, like me, you have been watching what is unfolding in Haiti. The death toll continues to grow as this impoverished country continues to reel from aftershocks from this powerful earthquake, with bodies lying next to the living. Rescue attempts are underway, but it is difficult work, with rescue workers having to bring in supplies for THEMSELVES as well as for those whom they are trying to aid. Add to that the difficulties in actually getting to the areas in which they are needed due to lack of infrastructure, impassable roads, and generally deteriorated conditions, and it is a difficult time indeed. The difficulty being faced by rescue teams and other humanitarian agencies cannot be understated, nor the level of destruction this country has suffered.

There are many, many sad stories, but here is one positive one:

Amazing. The determination of these rescuers is remarkable. What a tribute to the human spirit.

Since communications are very difficult now in Haiti, the State Department has provided a phone number to find missing U.S. Citizens, 1-888-407-4747, as well as a People Finder site if you are looking for someone, or know there whereabouts of someone, as well as an email address, Haiti-Earthquake@state.gov. Secretary Clinton will be on the ground in Haiti Saturday morning.

Still, the loss of life is staggering, with estimates anywhere between 50,000 – 200,000 deaths expected. As one might expect, a number of children are now orphans. While the Red Cross (you can make a donation to the Red Cross via your cell phone by texting in the word “Haiti” to 90999) and other organizations are there, as we know, including at least one that works specifically with children.

And one such group is SOS Children’s Village. From their website:

SOS Children’s Villages History in Haiti

SOS Children’s Villages has been established in Haiti for over 30 years with extensive experience working with children and families in the area. We support around 3000 children and adults in Haitian SOS Children’s Villages (in Santo and Cap Hatien), SOS Youth Centers, SOS Hermann Gmeiner Schools, and SOS Vocational Training Centers. In 2005, SOS Children’s Villages started to operate SOS Family Strengthening Programs, which enable children who are at risk of losing the care of their family to grow within a caring family environment.

That is important – that they already have a presence in Haiti since, unfortunately, where there are disasters, there are unscrupulous people all too willing to take your donations. If you wish to donate, click HERE.

Another organization that already had a presence there is Convoy of Hope:

When the earthquake hit, Convoy’s country director was in Port-au-Prince. And because Convoy’s warehouse was fully stocked, the team was able to begin responding immediately with 50,000 meals.

One load of relief supplies is being airlifted shortly and another truckload of food and medicine just arrived from the Dominican Republic. Additional loads are being readied for immediate shipment and distribution at several points of distribution in Port-au-Prince.

More supplies are critically needed – Please give now to help the earthquake victims of Haiti!

Just two more good ways to help in Haiti.

But to the actual rescues, some rescue members you may not hear much about are the Rescue Dogs. Many are coming from the Search Dog Foundation. Here is a heart-warming story from Haiti:

At 1:15pm local time, an SDF Search Team in Port-au-Prince located three girls, trapped alive since Tuesday in the rubble of Haiti’s devastating earthquake.

Bill Monahan and his Border Collie, Hunter, were searching a neighborhood near the Presidential Palace, concentrating on a large bowl-shaped area of rubble which was all that remained of a 4-story building.

After criss-crossing the area, Hunter pin-pointed the survivors’ scent under 4 feet of broken concrete and did his “bark alert” to let Bill know where the victims were. Bill spoke with the survivors, then passed them bottles of water tied to the end of a stick. As they reached for the water one of the girls said, “Thank you.” Highly trained rescue crews from California Task Force 2 are now working to extricate the girls from the wreckage and provide first aid.

Incredible, these dogs, aren’t they?

But as you might imagine, not only are people suffering in Haiti, but so are animals, just like during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The Humane Society International sent me the following email:

Like you, all of us at Humane Society International are deeply saddened by the reports of death and destruction in Haiti caused by Tuesday’s massive earthquake. We’re grateful that government and relief agencies are mobilizing to assist the hundreds of thousands of people in need of water, medical care, and shelter.

And as with any disaster of this magnitude, animals are also suffering and in dire need of care. To try to help these animals, here’s what HSI is doing right now:

* We’re working with Sociedad Dominicana para la Prevención de Crueldad a los Animales, which is based in the Dominican Republic and has offered to get a team of animal responders and veterinarians into Haiti;
* We’re sending a veterinarian trained in disaster response associated with our partner organization, the Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association, to the Dominican Republic to spearhead our assessment;
* We have joined the Animal Relief Coalition for Haiti, and will be working with the World Society for the Protection of Animals, the International Fund for Animal Welfare, and other partner groups on a coordinated response to this crisis;
* We’ve communicated with humanitarian relief agencies and are poised to address the security, transportation, housing, and supply challenges that accompany deployment.

As you read this, we remain uncertain about how we will be able to respond to the crisis in Haiti, but I can tell you that we will do everything we can to help that country’s people and animals in the coming days. If you’d like to support HSI’s International Disaster Fund, which we use to help relief efforts around the globe, click here.

There is also the World Society for the Protection of Animals:

When people’s properties are destroyed, animals’ homes often disappear too. Wild animals often have to flee their habitat to survive. Domesticated animals are at risk of remaining trapped or abandoned with no food or water. Helping animals affected by disasters not only reduces their suffering, it helps restore entire communities.

Given the complete collapse of infrastructure in and around Port-au-Prince, the capital city at the epicentre of the earthquake, any relief operation will be fraught with difficulties but WSPA remains committed to helping those animals affected by the disaster. As you can understand, information at this time is sparse. WSPA will continue to provide up-to-the minute reports as we get more information from our team in the field through our Animals in Disaster blog.

You can click HERE to donate to WSPA.

These are tough times in Haiti, to be sure. The devastation there is just incomprehensible. The loss of life, housing, food, and potable water cannot be minimized. Please help if you can, provide links to those who can if you cannot, and pray if you will.

  • lark

    Enough about Haiti, lets return to read about Angelina Jolie and her next movie. 
     
    All smiles is doing a great job in Haiti since she arrived the President of Haiti is much reasured and she made sure that the room for the UN official is done to perfection. 
     
    Obama talked to Garcia Pervez and was able to get a committment from Pervez on the finest No. 9 Iron that he can get for him for his next golf tour.

  • lark

    Do you think Sec of State Hillary Clinton cleaned well and fixed up the room in an acceptable manner for the Sec of the UN visit today? If the bed was not done exactly right and the soap is not in the right place Ban Ki-moon is going to call Obama and Bill Clinton and between them both are going to give Hillary a real bad spanking. 
     
    Obama just sent Ban Ki-moon a customer service evaluation card for him to return to Obama for an evaluation of how Hillary did with his room.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Amy,

    Humans are almost always at their best when things are at their worst.  Too bad we can’t be this way when things are running smoothly.

  • lark

    I think is time to forget about the catastrophy in Haiti. In Fox News it is already the blip of the hour and everything is back to politics as usual and trying to recover from spending so much time away from nice looking interviews.

    We just need to send money and let the great and wonderful government of Haiti direct the recontruction and aid efforts. Oh and UN is also going to be leading the effort of aiding Hatians and reconstruction the earthquake zone. The UN is geat at that, no? We just need to find ways to help the UN do a wonderful job at that.

  • dst

      
      Maybe this will awaken the world a bit to observe that there are too many homo sapiens inhabiting this planet, busy making even more and more of ourselves and at the same time talking about making the planet more “GREEN”,  I doubt it!  Good Luck!   
        

  • stodghie

    hey lark, enough already! a tragedy happened but stop slamming the usa. i am getting sick of that.

    and frankly i don’t see adding haiti as the 51st state either. people in the usa don’t have homes and are going hungry. why don’t you shed a tear for them? huh?

    americans are doing everything they dang well can and even more as usual. we always give and give more than any other country. so kindly pipe down.

  • stodghie

    dst, green is a worthy goal but i have come to believe that there is a lot of disinformation on both sides. also the topic i believe is haiti on this thread.

  • lark

    To bad for you and for us because it is our to fix not just to patch up and look good at patching things up. Of course I know we won’t do but just looking good out there giving money. What we want is for the UN to do. Americans have simply lost their bearing. And I am not talking about a 51st. State, but a territory. And if Hatians don’t want that, fine. But we need to work to fix the problem. And yes there are ways to fix the problem that don’t cost a penny to implement. I’m saying ways to fix the problem that don’t cost a penny to implement.

  • lark

    Why did Obama and Bush came out of the White House unto the Rose Garden smiling and Bill Clinton did not, but rather was showing a pretty sad face?

  • Onofre’s arm

    dst, if you’re so deeply concerned about the over abundance of homo sapiens on this planet why don’t you seriously consider killing yourself? Put your money where your mouth is! You’ll be out of your misery, and out of ours as well. It’s a win win proposal, don’t you think? And if mankind is lucky enough, perhaps many other misanthropes will follow your lead. 

  • I’m a Linda too

    After criss-crossing the area, Hunter pin-pointed the survivors’ scent under 4 feet of broken concrete and did his “bark alert” to let Bill know where the victims were. Bill spoke with the survivors, then passed them bottles of water tied to the end of a stick. As they reached for the water one of the girls said, “Thank you.”

    OMG!  That just got me crying all over again.

  • lark

    Why did Obama and Bush came out of the White House unto the Rose Garden smiling and Bill Clinton did not, but rather was showing a pretty sad face?

    What is the devastation that continues? The devastation that continues is the plan. The devastation that continues is our attitude about Haiti and the Haitian people. For the devastation to end we need to believe that the problem can be fixed, not just that those from the outside are capable of giving aid.

  • Yttik

    What a horrendous tragedy.

    I had to laugh, the media is trying so hard to sell us hysteria, this meme about looters and rioting. They thought they had spotted a riot and cut away in a panic to bring us the footage. It turned out to be some children playing an improptu game of soccer with some cardboard boxes.

    Kids really do embody everything that is great about the human spirit. Kids will be kids. After five days of misery and grief, you could kind of see their little gears turning, “well this is boring, lets go do something!”

    There is also something universal about children and their love of cardboard boxes. Someday I’d like to take all the footage I’ve seen from around the world, from third world countries to wealthier western ones, and simply try to capture that unversal joy kids have for the potential of an empty cardboard box.

  • Yttik

    It’s unfortunate, isn’t it? It always takes a horrendous tragedy to bring out the best in people. Imagine if we were ever able to live that way even when things were going well.

  • dst

       If my comment was about canciling the money for “Going to Mars”, I would agree I was off topic, but here its simple, the ratio between population and qualiy of hosing is generaly inverse and poor quality housing is more likly to colapse in an earth quake, but  still weighs a lot once it does. That is what I see in Haiti.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Good points, Kathleen and Yttik.  Unfortunately, there are too many unscrupulous people out there ready to take advantage, too. And, as Bill Clinton mentioned recently, without electricity there are NO LIGHTS anywhere, which can lead to some major problems there.

    Lark – I am so glad Hillary is there.  So are the people there.  And more on that soon, I promise.  But nice of you to mention her cousin, Angelina!! :)   Last I heard, Angie might be pregnant again to keep Brad at home, or at least that’s what the National Enquirer headlines were screaming when I stood in the checkout line!  Teehee…

  • Ladydawnelle

    what?  that the Haitians are being HOSED?
    yeap

    best to sleep under the stars in MOST heavy earthquake zones (jmo) for now – seems the Mother Earth is gonna do her OWN thing regardless of what AL GORE or any freak from Copenhagen dreams up.

    Red Cross has most always been a reputable organization compared to some.  I give my donations to them. (and continue to add those poor humans to my prayers)

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    It is amazing, isn’t it?  Thank heavens they are there doing what they do so well…

  • Ladydawnelle

    lol now that was funny -

    I find myself saying something similar to those PUNKS that love to DISS America 24/7 —-  “if you hate this country so much why don’t you LEAVE”
    I mean there are a LOT of other countries from which to choose.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I watched that as it happened, and Bush was not SMILING, like he was happy, but in a polite way to those gathered.  This does not look like ANY of them are happy:

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I would love to see that footage, too, Yttik.  I hope you can do that someday!

    There are people who are stealing and stuff, of course, and tere are also thousands of escaped prisoners on the loose there.  But really, the biggest issues are hunger, thirst, and lack of shelter.  People are working on that as hard as they can, but there are many areas that are still impossible to reach.

  • Sassy

    I know that assistance and supplies are arriving, but so many people there are cut-off and isolated. Reports are that some have seen no responders at all.
    A representative of the Salvation Army was interviewed two days ago and his area is still untouched. An elevated area with a large hotel has lots of equipment and supplies but so far they are not moving.
    I saw Hillary’s press conference this morning. She made sure the Haitian press were brought close enough to carry her message to the people there. She looked tired, subdued, and humbled by what she has seen.

  • Ladydawnelle

    to survive

    I read some Scientist in a journal wrote (about life elsewhere) that “life finds a way”
    I believe he came to that conclusion by watching children heal after tragedy!  (or maybe it was the germs he found on some piece of tin that sat on the moon too long) LOL anyway I liked it!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Lark, wassup with the sexist comment abt Hillary?  Ratchet it back, would ya?

  • Ladydawnelle

    omg don’t EVER put that pic up again

    it CRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS ME OUT~~!!  AHHH!

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Yttik,

    Excellent observation about children in the face of tragedy. I agree with Amy, I hope you can put together a monterage of children dealing with tragedy as only they can. 

    Unfortunately, these wonderful traits are taught right out of us by the time we become adults to the detriment of society.

  • lark

    I would like to see that press conference.

  • dst

    Onofre’s arm I would not waste your time worrying about what I do, if you don’t want to read my posts “DON”T”.  Actually I have done a bit, I was an Emergency Physician for 23 years spending 90% of my time doing the night shift in a hospital surrounded by three of the most statistically dangerous highways in the USA, where I felt good service was more needed and from that I have a stack of happy patient letters and no law suites against me. Despite multiple opportunities I have added 0 to the earths population. I try to keep my house running on 10 K/Watts of electric per day and get 90% of my heat from wood that falls around my house and I cut up. Lastly I am quite happy now as a home futures trader, one of the few (when you are successful) occupations where you hate three day weekends because you have to wait one extra day before getting back to trading.

  • oowawa

    Perceptive observations, Yttik.  I remember being little, and how the best thing about a cardboard box is how you can get inside of it and make the world go away.  This seems particularly important after the sky has fallen and it is hard to find a safe place in which to hide . . .

  • oowawa

    Perceptive observations, Yttik.  I remember being little, and how the best thing about a cardboard box is how you can get inside of it and make the world go away.  This seems particularly important after the sky has fallen and it is hard to find a safe place in which to hide . . .

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    LOL – I hear you, LadyDawnelle!  Sorry – I’ll try and make it the last time!  :)

  • raging

    Why the smiling? prolly cause Bush agreed to raise money from wealthy conservative donors, but only if he has a hand in where it goes. the phrase was repeated twice for emphasis. understandably that would not make Bill happy, but oh well. $5 text donations aren’t going to rebuild Haiti, especially when those kids don’t pay their bill at the end of the month.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well, you certainly have MY vote for the “Sanctimony Hall of Fame”!

  • dst

          Actually to get back to “the subject”, Haiti, your statement  
    “if you’re so deeply concerned about the over abundance of homo sapiens on this planet” misses the mark, I
    never said I was,  but looking at Haiti now, if I did have dependant humans on this planet, I would certainly be worried about their future. 

  • WestVirginia304

    Here is a feel good story to add.  One small island helping another.  Patient with the video.  The clip has been viewed so many times that YouTube stuck a 10 second advertisement as an intro.  But it is worth a watch.  These folks don’t wait for UN study.  They just bust through walls.

    Below is a snip from a blog talking about little old Iceland pitching in.

    On Jan 15, 2010, Shaun Rockett said:
    Amazing that such a small nation and one in such financial hardship can be one of the first on scene to help the citizens of another nation.
    Congrats Iceland!
    On Jan 15, 2010, Eric said:
    Very fast response, got there before the logjam at the airport! Good job Iceland.
    On Jan 15, 2010, Björk Sigurðardóttir said:
    Love my Icelandic people and love to help, god bless Haiti, whish I were there so I could do some help,,,,,
    On Jan 15, 2010, teri said:
    well done is right just saw on tv here in xanada that they have also got out a woman who was tripped for 50 hours.
    On Jan 15, 2010, Susan said:
    Thanx Icelanders! God Bless you. From LA California by way of Ghana
    On Jan 15, 2010, Isa said:
    Thanks Icelanders! I have been to Iceland and I deeply relate to your nation and now I must extend my gratitude to you for your help to the nation of Haiti. You are unique and you are great.
    much love!!!!
    On Jan 15, 2010, Luca said:
    That’s Icelandic pride!
    Great country, great people. No matter what IMF guys say….
    Better to have 100 defaulted Icelands than any other “zero debt country”.
    Luca

  • WestVirginia304

    On Jan 15, 2010, Bjarni said: 
    This Icelandic international rescue squad is highly trained in these kind of rescue activities and has been certified by INSARAG. Its members are selected from various local volunteer rescue squads in Iceland. 
    Due to their international focus, they were extremely well prepared, storing all their equipment at the Keflavik airport. They were therefore able to leave immediately on Wednesday morning, after quickly receiving authorization from the Haiti government, and locating a plane from Icelandair. 
    They carried with them enough supplies to last for at least a week, so they are not dependent on anyone else, and can therefore concentrate most of their efforts on actual rescues and assisting other rescue squads.
    On Jan 15, 2010, Bjarni said: 
    Here is a picture album that shows how primitive the situation was at the Port-au-Prince airport, when the rescue squad arrived in Haiti on Wednesday:
    http://www.visir.is/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=XZ&Dato=20100114&Kategori=FRETTIR01&Lopenr=17954851&Ref=PH
    On Jan 15, 2010, Bjarni said: 
    And here is an interview with one of the rescue squad member on CNN:
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/01/14/tuchman.haiti.quake.search.cnn
    On Jan 15, 2010, athompsonbert said: 
    Way to go Iceland! You do humanity proud! Annie in Ann Arbor
    On Jan 16, 2010, Don Larsen said: 
    Congratulations to the rescue team from Iceland for being so responsive! 
    Despite the economic problems facing all of us it is gratifying to know that the humanitarian spirit rises to the top. All too often the efforts of the smaller nations are overlooked in the presence of much larger countries. You can be very proud.
    Don Larsen
    Calgary, Canada

  • stodghie

    i think the hatians need to work to fix the problem. geez! you don’t give endless baskets of fishes. you teach them how to fish.

    the american people have run out of money and patience with being the pocketbook for the world. newsflash there in case you might not know.

    of course they need our and the world’s help right now in their hour of need. no argument there from me. the concept of the peace corps where we go and show them how to do things for themseles is a great idea. the idea of a micro economy and that is where small amount of money are given to individuals to start their own small businesses. that has been very successful.

    we have a broken intrastructure. people don’t have places to live or money to buy food. that is the reality. utopian ideas about the usa taking over haiti blah, blah, blah under any conditions is wrong.

    you may not like the un but it is the establishment put together for situations like this.  i will give my money to a group that i know will go directly to the folks who help people. i was stunk by the red cross during 9/11.

    i was chairman of a nonprofit and learned many lessons about how to give and how not to give.

  • lark

    If there is no government in Haiti and if the whole government of Haiti have collapsed, then I don’t want Hillary to be encouraging a President that is president of nothing. Haiti presently has no currency as far as I understand. No military no police nothing.

    One problem is that Hillary is the wife of Bill Clinton who is the Special Envoy of the UN to Haiti. There you have a conflict of interest. These are two competing interests in my view.

    I am simply sorry that it is Hillary Clinton our Sec. of State because I think that the situation is such that our Sec. of State should act unilateraly to take over the country and impose the U.S. military precesence and make things work according to the Sec. of State resources and responsibilities. But she is the wife of the UN Special Envoy to Haiti. I don’t think that is going to work that well. We’ll see.

  • dst

     
       Mr. Obama is now departing DC for Boston and unlike Bill Clinton who would probably take the smaller AF-1 for this campaign (granted there are heavy consequences on the out come) trip, instead he takes his private 747 on a 700 mile jaunt with three takeoffs.  They will probably say he needed the big plane to manage the urgent Haiti situation, but the extra 10,000 gallons of fuel and huge extra cost per hour of the “Big Jet” could have been used as a contribution. Besides the world would be a bit “Greener”. 

  • dst

    Sorry two take offs.

  • Touchet

    I agree but the people of Hati have to be willing to help too.  You can’t just give them everything.  There are reports of Aid workers having to leave because one or two people show up and want to horde the relief from everyone.  And here’s the thing that gets me.  NO ONE lifts a finger to stop them. 

    This doesn’t sound like a situation where the people are comming together to help each other.

    I hear no plans from their government of redevelopement.  No organized recovery effort.  Their government is just going to sit back and let everyone take care of their people.

    We will be stuck in a situation where we keep feeding them cause their is no infastructure.  That isn’t a solution.

    Bill is most likely sad because he knows this is the case.  That at some point the Aid relief will have to stop and they will be left in a situation of chaos.

  • Nobody

    seems to grasp the expense of taking care of a country with 9 million people that has never shown the capacity of being capable of taking care of itself.  There is no exit strategy of getting out of Haiti.  This is not an initial response to help with a disaster by sending rescue teams to search for people, food, and medical assistance like some other countries do.  Instead, this will be a long term US government effort and expense of rebuilding Haiti’s infrastructure, supplying security, money, supplies, military, etc. for years if not decades.  

    The US declared their war on poverty over 4 decades ago and hundreds of billions of dollars later they have not gotten anywhere.  Making 9 million people in Haiti dependent on US aid for generations won’t succede there either. 

    As it is, Obama has already hung a huge debt on us that we can’t pay.    If people in the US do not wake up and take care of the problems here with the emergence of a radical Obama administration and radical government then we will end up like Haiti, Zimbabwe, etc. and there is no country capable of coming in and extricating us from the mess created by the radicals.       

  • dst

    So True!!!  Every $ to Haiti makes our econmy recover slower. Its good for money transferers, shippers and those with warehouse off near out dated food but not too many Jobs per $ spent. No good answer.

  • lark

    I hear all of your good points of view but to me they are Un-American points of view. Not against America but a different America, the one we have become.

    Haiti to me is our frontier of today. 45 thousand Americans were in Haiti when the earthquake struck. The vast majority are staying there to work with Haitian to recover.

    Our economy would boom if we invest in Haiti in a way that makes Haiti a territory of the U.S. If Haiti becomes a territory it would not be a cash drain to the U.S. but the reverse will be true.

    The 9 million people of Haiti deserve to be lifted from abject missery. I agree that if they choose to be sovereign and misserable that is their choice. But now is the time to end their missery for good. And it is not the job of the UN to do that but the job of the Sec. of State Hillary Clinton.

    As a territory we would be able to fly to Haiti without restriction, buy property, set a banking and financial system but most importantly set up our systems of higher education. We will be able to have Christian colleges and universities set up schools of architecture, engineering, medicine, liberal arts, social studies, etc. Then private foundations and institutions would be able to provide grants and scholarships to Americans to go study in Haiti and when they graduate their courses would be validated in the U.S.

    You guys only see the self-interest of a system that we have now that you yourselves are indicting as not working. I am not in that set of mind.

    I am angry with God and I blame God for this situation in Haiti. Because Christian colleges and universities are so myopic that they have ignored Haiti as our American fronties – our Christian American frontier. Our country was settled and made prospered by Christian settelers and Haiti is where American Christians will want to settle now.

    As a territory, American Christians would have the opportunity to work unimpeded and under our Constitutional ways. Haiti will lifts us all up.

  • lark

    Having Haiti as a territory would lift us all up. We would return to our roots – which is frontier building. Bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan were they have no future and deploy them in Haiti were they can do a whole lot of good to everyone.

  • lark

    When we fought the difficulties of our frontiers and conquered them we became richer and more prosperous. The examples are in each and every frontier that America has conquered. Haiti is our God given frontier of today. Lets not be cowards but brave. Lets conquer Haiti for America.

  • lark

    Nah. Lets just watch Avatar.

  • stodghie

    lark, i refer you to iraq and the nightmare there. enough said

  • stodghie

    we went to haiti during clinton’s administration with all good intentions. remember how that turned out? they have to work at geting themselves out of it. we as a nation have thrown money at some many different things and basically were told to get lost by the recipients

    people need to keep a good heart but think with an clear and analytical mind during times like these. we are there for the short term and not the long term.

  • stodghie

    lark, you can stop with the unamerican accusations. that is crossing the line. it is also quite rude.

  • lark

    Cool down. Is a way to make a point. So don’t take it personal because it isn’t.

  • stodghie

    actually lark, i am trying to get across to you that you need to cool down. and also that your strong emotions are resulting in personal comments to some of the posters that i consider rude.

    we all have different views but that doesn’t mean we are unamerican.

  • Jackie S.

    Lark, our soldiers do not have the traing for stabalization ops as a focus.  THe solderiers of the USA are wonderful at the initial security mission but after the initial chaos is subdued “peacekeepers” trained in social development and economics need to be in place with a huge police force.

    And for your info the 82nd Airborn units deployed to help in Haiti just got back from down range.

  • lark

    In any case I haven’t said that you or anyone is un-American. I said that not seeing the opportunity that is available to take over Haiti as a territory of the U.S. at this time is not understanding American history. Why? Because what I am saying is that in the past, and the folk history of the U.S. speaks of the great conquest of our frontier territories. America has 45 thousand Christian missionaries in Haiti and in many ways one can say it is our new frontier.

    The objection to that other than a million other objections is that we do not have the financial capacity to absorb the Haitian country. But I contend that is not true. That frontier building has always been done in times of need and the end result has always been prosperity in both sides of the border. That taking up Haiti as a territory would change the future of Hatians for good but also reward the 45 thousand missionaries that are there now working.

    BTW, I also am an advocate for an American immigration to Afghanistan in exchange for benefits from land grants there and other benefits similar to what I understand were the terms for people who settled the westward expansion of our country.

    In other words, my idea of helping other countries is to go to those places and settle them with the intention of assimilating them.

    To me, if Haiti is technically adrift with a non-existent government, then instead of trying to rebuild their government we should be trying to institute an American form of government.


    I believe 99.9 percent of people would disagree with me.

    Then again I am not very knowlegeable of American history.

  • stodghie

    lark i have a masters in history and i would advise you if you have any interest to visit a good bookstore and a good sales person can recommend some excellent books. again we have a number on here who might assist with that.

    well there is word for going to another country to assimilate. actually two come to mind, war and occupation. neither of these turn out well.

    when you talk about societies and history, there are no easy answers ever. i am not trying to talk down here just converse. that’s all

    i have a long night with a report to get out and have to get to  that.

    best wishes

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