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Hillary Backers Want Convention Vote

Brenda Krause is tired of fearmongering among the Democrats. She said this about unity in the party:

“I’m not going to be coerced into something I don’t believe in,” said Krause, who lives in Colorado Springs and owns a real estate office. “That makes me less unified. If they let me have my voice, I’ll feel more unified.”

This is an overwhelming feeling among delegates and supporters all around the country. In Houston last night an Obama supporter, Democratic Party delegate for Obama, Roger Harris spoke about the “the silent message”, the e-mails he has received from PUMAs “wanting delegates to back Hillary Clinton”. He talked about the numbers of e-mails he received in one day.

“The first round I got 99 (e-mails). The second round I got 50 and the next round I got 60. All in the same day,” said Harris, who will be an Obama delegate to the party’s national convention.

PUMAPAC had this to say:

The group told 11 News that it’s also urging Clinton to challenge Obama to a vote at the convention.

A vote the political group said would heal the party, not divide it.

“You can’t achieve unity by telling one side to shut up,” the PAC said in a statement to 11 News. “You have to let the delegates vote for their candidate on the first ballot.

“The fact is, (the party is) extremely split.”

And Clinton supporters across the country want that vote.

Though the majority of the Democratic Party backs Sen. Barack Obama, an undercurrent of staunch and loyal Clinton supporters say they’ll fight all the way to the national convention, which begins Aug. 25 in Denver, to put her name on the ballot.

And it is about the rules of an open convention. It is about the party and basic principles.

Because they were chosen by her supporters in districts across the country, many say they won’t feel that they have fulfilled their duty until they cast a vote for her — however futile that might be.

“I will come on board the unity train with a first-class ticket if, before doing so, I get the opportunity to vote for my candidate,” said Daniel Kagan, a property developer and lawyer from Arapahoe County. “On Aug. 28, when Obama accepts the nomination, I will be there cheering along with the rest of them, but only if I have had the chance to vote first.”

Kagan is among a small group of people working to garner 300 signatures from national delegates to complete DNC rule requirements to put Clinton’s name back on the ballot. Even if they get enough signatures, Clinton must agree to have her name placed on the ballot.

Dean says the decision belongs to Hillary. And there is more on that.

Asked whether Clinton’s name would be on the ballot, Democratic National Convention Committee spokeswoman Natalie Wyeth said that DNC chairman Howard Dean “has said that’s up to her, whether she will put her name in nomination.”

Clinton has said in YouTube postings and in a Web chat Thursday that she is working with the Democratic National Committee and the Obama campaign to find a solution.

Texas delegate Linda Figueroa, a 53-year-old paralegal from Corpus Christi, said the pledged Clinton supporters were told in a delegate conference call this week that they would not get to vote for her. Figueroa said the senator’s scheduled speech on the floor of the Pepsi Center on Tuesday evening, Aug. 26, was “not enough.”

So many others are speaking out including a “300″ petition to get Hillary’s name placed in nomination.

In an attempt to inspire the masses, Kagan, a delegate from Colorado’s 1st Congressional District, borrowed from French philosopher Voltaire.

“I don’t agree with the way you intend to vote, but I’ll fight to the death for your right to vote,” he said.

Others, like Will Bower, a founder of Project Unity My A–, or PUMA, are not ready to support Obama.

“Most of us are still working toward getting Hillary the nomination,” he said. “We still see a path for victory in Denver.”


There will be an Anti-”coronation” protest according to Simone DuBois. More on Simone Dubois and her group:

At the convention, vociferous Clinton supporters will protest and hold signs that will read “Denounce Nobama’s Coronation.”

Former Colorado Senator Gary Hart had to throw in his two cents too, which weren’t needed:

Allowing delegates to vote for their chosen candidate gives them an opportunity to celebrate that candidate and their work on the campaign, said former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, who ran for president in 1984 and 1988.

At the convention in 1984, Hart said, each of his 1,200 delegates voted for him “with no defections.”

“My people put on a massive demonstration. It went on for 10 or 15 minutes,” Hart said. “They felt very good about it afterward.”

Hart thinks Clinton, a longtime party loyalist, will want to prevent protests and help Obama get elected.

But still many Clinton supporters feel Obama has not done enough to offer peace in the party. He was dismissive of Hillary and her supporters during the primaries. And one Colorado resident spoke out on that. Her words echo a sentiment in many Hillary supporters.

Awilda Marquez, a Colorado delegate, said she feels like his campaign has been dismissive of Clinton supporters.

“They say they don’t need us. . . . I don’t spend 30 seconds a day thinking about that,” Marquez said. “When I see a top woman being called a whore and a she-goat, . . . I can’t forget that.”

  • helen

    Why is there even a question about a woman who did more for her party and got more votes being on the rollcall?
    These liliputins are a disgrace and not what the Democratic party was all about.
    Dean – brazille – pelosi and backtrack really do not understand the American people.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Snoopy

    Roth Radio Show

    Pamela Gellar of Atlas Shrugs , a very dangerous man…….

    A must listen to, Barack Hussein Obama fake birth certificate, dual citizenship, a very dangerous man.

    All 3 shows , Friday ,Aug 8Th .

    http://www.therothshow.com/RothArchives.aspx

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    The only way I’m voting for a Democrat this fall, after a long lifetime as a loyal D, is if Hillary, or a Player Other Than Obama, is our party nominee.

    If Obama’s name is on the ballot, I’ll not be voting for him. I just do NOT like the guy. It’s not just the being a crook and hanging around with sleazy people… it’s not just the hubris and the snotty manner… it’s not just the inexperience…. it’s not just the unwillingness to answer any questions, and the huffiness when anyone DARES to ask…. it’s not just the grating, hectoring, nannyish voice….but it is ALL OF THAT, and then some.

    He’s like chalk screeching on a blackboard. He’s a lousy pick. And isn’t it a crying shame that he’s “ethnic”–that way it’s so easy to play that stupid race card, while no one looks at, or ADMITS, his shortage of demonstrated ability.

    Feh.

  • Christy

    BO, Pelosi and Dean have said all along they expect everyone to just “get over it.”

    BO is a lying, racist, unqualified creep. How can ANYONE vote for him, he hates America for god’s sake.

    How can we have a president who would side with other countries that America is a greedy, corrupt nation? Because that is what he thinks. He thinks other countries are soooo perfect. He thinks we need to be more respectful of other countries’ cultures, like honor killings and clitorectomies. He thinks we should be more like them, Americans are just such “an embarrassment.”

    BO is a nightmare. So is McCain, but I will take the sane McCain over the insane BO any day.

  • Christy

    LOL Clinton fan, BO truly DOES have a seriously obnoxious voice. He clips his sentences at the end in a strange withering way. He talks down to everybody in a preachy style. His sentences reach a crescendo midpoint EVERY time, then falter to an abrupt clipped halt. It’s BIZARRE.

    Who started this crazy hype that BO was a gifted orator??? Because EVERYONE I have spoken with thinks he has an annoying way of speaking. I am not seeing ANY of the supposed charisma here.

  • Beckley

    Can someone point me to a list of other conventions where there was a full roll-call or vote? Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart… it doesn’t make sense that Hillary be told to “Sit. Sit, girl. Sit!”

  • democracyfirst

    I agree completely. I have always found his speaking style grating and what he has to say worthless and often insulting.

    I guess one has to be vulnerable to cult culture (drink the koolade) to think he is a great orator.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott in jupiter

    Unify? Unify? Seriously…Really? The only way to be unified is for Clinton to get the nomination. I will never support barky no matter how hard they kiss our asses.

  • Tuppence 411

    Barky NObama is taking the convention floor vote- one of our nation’s hallmark institutions, the process by which we self govern- and turning it into a stage crafted, media blitz, freakin’ circus with a celebrity clown. All Americans should be outraged. The gall! Democracy in the USA is our right, it is not negotiated.

  • roseeriter

    I’ll never vote for Obama. Becoming an Independent suits me better. I don’t sign loyalty oaths.

    The damage has been done. Should Hillary make it on the ballot then I’ll reconsider and I don’t mean as VP.

  • Nurseratchet

    John Edwards has finally told the truth! He cheated! Now it is Obama’s turn to tell the truth about Larry Sinclair! Help us to fight for the truth!

    When they tried to silence Larry Sinclair, they tried to silence all
    of us.

    First came the personal attacks, attempts at discrediting Larry Sinclair and those following his story.

    Next came attacks on Sinclair’s family.

    Next came multiple death threats made on Sinclair.

    Next came a petition encouraged by Jane Hamsher, an Obama supporter,
    with ties to David Axelrod and the Obama Campaign, to block
    Larry Sinclair’s news conference.

    Next came Larry Sinclair’s arrest after his news conference at
    the National Press Club. A DC warrant was fabricated for the arrest.

    Next came more lies, smears and discreditation attempts by Jane
    Hamsher and others aligned with the Obama Campaign.

    From the beginning, the press, the MSM, has failed to do their job.
    There is enough information, facts, about Obama, to cause any
    intelligent, inquisitive news organization to dig beneath the
    surface and discern the truth about the Larry Sinclair Story.

    “To be honest with you, its not so much whether you believe me or not, as much as you hear me.”

    -Larry Sinclair

    Larry’s words, my post! http://larrysinclair0926.com/ Please donate to the legal fund! Every donation welcome and appreciated!

  • democracyfirst

    This is going to come down to Hillary. If she won’t put her name in nomination, there won’t be a vote for her.

    I have been behind her all the way, even when I have been disappointed that she is playing along for the good of the party. I figure she knows what she is doing and the convention played into it.

    But she has to take a stand now. Millions have been doing all they can to get her name in nomination. The DNC has been sufficiently notified of the consequences if they don’t put her name in nomination. They have chosen the sleazy approach of leaving it up to Hillary, while continuing to threaten her behind the scenes.

    Hillary has to take the last step. It’s the hardest decision she has had to make but she has to make it.

  • Obama is a bum

    If Obama is on the ticket I will vote straight Republican. I will consider a Democrat only if they come out and denounce Obama. As bad as Obama is, those Democrats who have less than 30% black voters probably do not want Obama campaigning on their behalf.

  • Phishmelt

    Once I had to start watching fox news to get any Hillary coverage during the primaries I knew something bad was happening.

  • Phishmelt

    I hear good (meaning bad) things about robert wexler these days. They should take away his title. Not only is he representing florida, but he represented obama to take away florida voting power. And then Florida finds out that he doesn’t even live in Florida. But to appease them, he will start renting a place there.

    See, some journalists are doing their jobs.

  • Obama is a bum

    You pose a good question. Somebody came out and said Obama is a great speaker and is charismatic. I never saw that — ever. My assessment is he is a less than average speaker without charisma. When he speaks he holds his fingers together and shakes his fist up and down, it reminds me of a baby shaking a rattle.

  • Steve-O

    A democratic vote in the Democratic Party? How daring, how dangerous, how damaging!

    Obama would prefer the Chinese Way: Everybody is allowd to vote for him.

  • roseeriter

    Boy do I understand that! I still take a deep breath when I put Fox on and flip it off after the political stuff is over. Maybe we were brainwashed. Who the hell knows what the friggin’ truth is any more with the horrible main stream media. Its all entertainment celeb accidents blah blah blah. Disgusting.

    And the internet is months ahead of MSM on anything that is really news worthy. I feel bad for the people that don’t have a computer. If anyone is just getting the pseudo information by tv you know they don’t know HALF the true story about anything.

  • ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

    it is becoming crystal clear that there was a conspiracy right from the beginning to deny Clinton the nomination by a concerted effort by Dean and Pelosi through a systematic web-based DNC driven JOHN EDWARDS?BARACK OBAMA for PREZ/VP TICKET in whichever order ,Obama or Edwards, it did not matter. The Objective was to deny Clinton the nomination at all cost and by any means nessesary!The question that DEMANDS INVESTIGATION! is : when and what did Dean and obama know about Edwards’s philandering scandal. Was it BEFORE IOWA?!?! If they knew. before Iowa, then it is clear that Edwards was a shill /straw- candidate used only and specifically to draw voters from H. Clinton and to Advance Obama’s Candidacy.The key questions are ;What did the Obama campaign promise (or extort with knowledge of this) Edwards for his “endorsement” after Obama’s embarrassing 66%to 27% loss to H. clinton in the W. Va. primary? Whom in the edwards campaign had knowledge of his affair/ Who were the the contact people between the Edwards and Obama camps? /was Dean kept apprised of the negotiations/affair?Whom from the Edwards campaign are now working for the Obama campaign and were/are the y involved in this conspiracy/coverup/ extortion deal making between the 2 camps/what were the sources of the funds directed to this coverup? EG: expensive hotels/ apartments/ documentary budgets/limousines/ unregistered cell phones/ and other ameneties provided to Edwards paramour/mistress (mother of his love child?) what local/ state/ federal laws have been violated(as well as the public trust}!!! Who else was paid to keep quiet? How much? did the obama campaign pay for any of this with the possible ruse of “retiring some of edwards’s campaign debt”? Was anyone threatened? This story DEMANDS A FULL BLOWN FEDERAL INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS OF RICO ACT/ ONGOING CRIMINAL OPERATIONS/ CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS AND INTERSTATE FRAUD STATUTES! THERE ARE MANY. MANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE TOO MANY TO LIST HERE , HOWEVER, THE HAVE TO BE ASKED NOW!!! HILLARY CLINTON HAS BEEN DEFRAUDED OUT OT THE NOMINATION!

  • roseeriter

    Yes! Yes All of this primary STINKS of wrong doing.
    The truth will find its way out eventually but do we have any honest reporters anymore that can’t be bought or don’t have to sign loyalty oaths to MSM backed corporations? Of course it will probably to late to upright the sinking of democracy and the democratic party. The republican party sunk with Bush. McCain might bring some integrity back for the repubs. But who will save the Dem Party?

  • Obama is a bum

    I’ve always been an independent and if Obama gets elected then for the first time in my adult lifetime I will probably join a party and it won’t be the Democrats. After what has gone down with the Democrats pushing Clinton out and rallying behind a jerk like Obama I am throughly disgusted. I felt Obama should have had the integrity to drop out after the Wright tapes came out.

  • Senex, Ireland

    Pumas…….. America before Party

    Make your vote count in November

    Save America from disaster

    Senex, Ireland

  • roseeriter

    I have now added the National Enquirer as part of my daily routine of sites to check out. At least their reporters dig and dig and dig for the dirt if there’s even just a hint of a story.

  • roseeriter

    Do you have a link on the National Enquirer’s story about Larry? They were right on about Edwards and may be right about Obama and Sinclair. I’d like to stay on top of it. I watched Larry at his press conference and he was very believable.

  • ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

    ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE OBAMAFUHRER!

  • standard

    Fight with money. No donations ever again.

  • Lou

    I just learned last night that our Hill got the nod last night. Pastor Manning will be discussing today what that means now. I repeat, Hill got the nod 2 days ago. That’s what is going on with the convention. What now?

  • roseeriter

    What do you mean by ‘got the nod’?

  • Tucson Transplant

    What do you mean by “got the nod”? From whom? As far as what?

  • Lou

    Our Brilliant Hill got the nod to be VP.

  • Sassy

    I e-mailed Ickes some time ago, thanking him for his loyalty to Hillary. I also made clear that my family expected a LEGITIMATE roll call vote!
    Off subject…my Congressional Representive was defeated Thursday by another Republican. This seat has been held by Republicans since reconstruction and no incumbant has gone down since 1968.
    The point…Republicans WILL vote!
    Look out Democrats, they will bring it to you!!!

  • Lou

    Today, Pastor Manning will be guiding us and discussing what that means. It will help the confusion. I hope he tapes it for us. I think he s against her VP don’t know for sure.

  • Lou

    IN CASE YOU MISSED IT AND ARE UNCLEAR~HILLARY WAS OFFERED VP 2 DAYS AGO. It’s being kept secret. You learned it here first on NQ!

  • KarenG

    I think the story was actually in their other publication, the Globe. If you go here, you can see the covers, but the stories don’t seem to be online. You would need to find the actual
    copy somewhere.

    http://www.rense.com/general81/sincc.htm

  • democracyfirst

    I sure hope not. And if she did, I hope she turned it down. It would not be good for her to be on a losing ticket.

    I have been afraid that Bill getting the speaking slot right before the VP nominee meant Hillary will be on the ticket with Obama. I hope the info you got is wrong but the signs are pointing that way.

  • sjc-tx

    I agree 100%!!!

  • Lou

    It’s not on MSM. You won’t find news of it anywhere but here. HILL got the NOD 2 days ago and it is assumed that she accepted. It’s being worked out now for the convention.

  • DougUNH

    How the hell would you have this information. Give me a break. You guys are a bunch of losers!

  • fred

    Bernie Mac R.I.P

  • Lou

    This poses alot of feelings for eveyone now pro and con.
    And Doug, drag your sorry ass somewhere else. I’m tired of being insulted by idiots.

  • Lou

    You are right. Bill is in on it. This is what they meant by surprise at the convention. Thought I’d spill the beans so that everyone can have time to catch their breath.

  • democracyfirst

    If true it is very bad news.

  • Hillary4McCain

    Dean says the decision belongs to Hillary. And there is more on that.Sure Dean Howard,sure.I bet he made his decision to tell Hillary that it’s her choice but,that choice is to not go on the ballot.I brt the democratic did this to act like it’s Hillary’s choice which it is.But to come out and with Dean saying this.I don’t trust not one of them.I bet they told Hillary to not to.I believe we will see another May 31,08.Anther play act that has to be played out.More meetings in Hotel well into the morning getting their part ready to go.I will not trust the democratic party.

    Go Hillary Go for president 08
    GoMcCain go for president 08

    NOOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lou

    They have signed papers to impeach Wexler.

  • democracyfirst

    But Hillary’s stomping for Obama yesterday was not exactly enthusiastic. That doesn’t fit.

  • roseeriter

    Cspan 1 is airing the DNC platform meeting as I speak. Taking roll call now.

  • JudyfromMO

    Sean from Barky campaign called last night to beg for $. Told him I only had one thing to say to him to get a pen and write it down and I would spell it out for him since they have trouble with big words P.U.M.A.
    and I hung up on him. I would have hung on and played him for a while but I had a movie to watch.

  • DougUNH

    It’s not don’t worry! Obama supporters would be as angry about it as Hillary supporters.

  • DougUNH

    Don’t make stupid comments about something you couldn’t possibly know anything about and then I won’t have to insult you.

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    Hillary Clinton just may walk away with the nomination. Obamanation is run-out, winded and has the colic.

    http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/08/john-mccain-old-paint-v-phar-lap.html

  • KarenG

    In the article above if you click on the name
    Brenda Krause, it will take you to link that
    goes to her story which appeared in the Denver Post.
    About half way down in the story there is a poll, asking whether Hillary should be in the roll call.
    You can vote, and when you see the totals….almost 77 percent want Hillary in the roll call vote.

  • DougUNH

    “Lou” from No Quarter breaks news of Hillary being VP!!!!!!

    Does Fox News know?
    Does CNN know?
    MSN?
    Drudge?
    HuffPost?

    Nope but “Lou” knows!

  • Lou

    Youa re fuckin full of it..don’t fuckin call me a liar

  • Lou

    fuckin obot..get out

  • Lou

    FU OBOT..go slither away

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    NewYorkTimes reports Berrnie Mac is dead at 50. Guess Obamalamadingdong will have to find some other Black misogynistic comic for anymore fundraisers huh? Guess GAWD da fadder ALLLLLLLL MightA didn’t care to much for his act either. That or he was soooooo funny GAWD da faddar ALLLLLLLL MightA wanted him to do a show just for him?

  • Beckley

    that may be true, but i wish bill clinton would duct-tape that wagging index finger to his thumb!

  • KarenG

    Roseeriter….you may have missed this link I left you above….http://www.rense.com/general81/sincc.htm

  • NOOBAMA-NEVER

    I would not vote Obama even if the only way to become a ewwwwwwwww president is use Hillary for VP.Nope I will still not vote Obama.It’s not that VP.It’s who Obama is.NOT-FIT-TO- RUN-OUR-COUNTRY.A liar-A Bush- A user of all people-A flip floper-I will not vote for this puppet for anything.I will give my vote to Mccain.I am not going to give this puppet dog a free pass.NevEr.

    So a VP 4HILLARY I will still not vote Obama.It’s not VP sport for Hillary supporters.It’ Obama himself that we don’t want and why should we settle for VP when Obama didn’t earn anything.He was giving-he cheated-he stole-Donna Brazile did this as well.Howard Dean can KISS MY *** The DNC WANTS OBAMA AS THIS.OFFERS WERE MADE TO MANY.They didn’t want it.I wou;d’nt take it.No Hillary is better ten that.Obama has nothing but fake promisses and he is a liar-a Flip floper. And he has a agenda for us.Obama said anything to get a vote.

    NO VP FOR HILLARY! PRESIDENT FOR HILLARY.

    IT WON’T WORK I WILL NOT VOTE OBAMA.!!!!

  • Disgusted
  • DougUNH

    Then tell us where you got this information!

    My guess is you got up this morning and you were feeling a little lonely. So, you decided to come to this website and get yourself some attention. Sad, very sad.

  • masslib

    And where are you getting this?

  • roseeriter

    Repug troll depart. Sick of clinton slamming by you sickos.

  • Lou

    FU-NONE OF YOUR OBOT BUSINESS! Go back to kos you empty headed dunce.

  • Tattie

    Another Obama supporter died. It was just annouced that Bernie Mac died. He was 50 years old.

  • roseeriter

    Sorry, Thanks, I checked it out, it’s just the covers and I googled and couldn’t find the article.
    Probably been scrubbed by the bots although hope it pops up again.

  • KarenG

    This rumor on Mac was a prank…he did not die.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/bernie.mac.death.2.786436.html

  • William L. Donlon

    What did the Main Stream Media report when the John Edward’s Elephant walked into their Newsroom?

    Nothing, Only the National Inquirer saw it.

    What did the Main Stream Media report when the COLB Elephant walked into their Newsroom?

    Nothing, Only No Quarter saw it.

  • bemused

    But it would be good for everybody if she were picked for VP and Obama is shot down. I’m just glad I’m not a politician. Imagine, they are living in all these head games and we’re only watching.

  • DougUNH

    Exaaactly. You’re a tool. And a liar.

  • Lou

    Nevermind..you’ll find out in due time.
    Thought I’d save you all the shock.

  • bemused

    OOPS!! I don’t mean literally shot down! I meant, removed from consideration!

  • JoseyJ

    Interesting that Obama rejects Hillary as VP because Bill would “be a problem.”
    A bigger problem than Afghanistan? Pakistan? Russia??
    A bigger problem than Obama fulfilling his meme to unite the Dem Party – and world??

  • roseeriter

    That articles several days old. CNN and Fox are reporting his death-complications from pneumonis now.

  • Lou

    savage-yesterdays manning video

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    Wow, did you hear the news about Bernie Mac?

    Sad

    I was NOT happy with his UNfunny comedy and figured Karma would catch up with him.

    I sure didn’t think he deserved THIS.
    Wow! I guess sometimes your number is just UP when it’s UP! Doh.

  • DougUNH

    Relax, Lou is a nutcase who has no idea what he’s talking about. He needs attention because his wife left him and his kids hate him.

  • masslib

    And how would Manning know?

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    Josey just think about how stupid Bambi is to NOT REALIZE how much BILL would HELP him LOOK GOOD!!!

    AND HILLARY especially!

    TOO late
    TOO late

  • masslib

    He’s alive. Link above. It was just a prank or something.

  • Lou

    Your turn is coming OBOT..Karma is on the next link waiting for you…tic toc tic toc
    F’in nosy son of beeth

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    yeap he’s dead

  • DougUNH

    I’m nosey becasue I want to know how some douchebag on a website got the story that every news source in this country hasn’t managed to get? Ok buddy.

    On a side note what’s a “beeth”?

  • Smells like McGovern

    The miserable fuck is SINKING IN THE POLLS AGAINST MCSAME!

    yeah but they love him in Berlin

  • Smells like McGovern

    we know, it’s just that I don’t know if being VP is what Hillary had in mind. She ran for POTUS, not Head Seatwarmer.

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    you are lying

    Manning did NO video yesterday except a “BEST OF” 19 hours ago

    every thing else is listed at least 2 days ago

    you are lying there

  • Lou

    He’s got connection. I think he knows Hill.
    Cehck it out.

  • roseeriter

    Lou are you talking about Manning’s DREAM?

    His dream was about Hillary being chosen to be president by the higher power. lol

  • Lou

    Excuse me? Call Him on the Phone if you don’t believe me. Don’t call me a liar. Stupid.

  • Larse12

    This is an interesting article about Obama’s birth certificate. I signed the petition.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763

  • fif

    I hope that any Clinton supporters that are interviewed emphasize the history of the Convention, and that FDR was nominated on the FOURTH ballot. I have never heard anyone mention that Kennedy went to the Convention against Carter down 700+ delegates. The average voter has no idea how the system works. It was designed BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Now, for Barky, they want to change it so he’s not embarrassed?!

  • bemused

    The Eumenides are finally showing up. Hopefully this is the first pebble of a giant karmaslide over the hubris.

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    post the manning link

    if you are not lying

  • roseeriter

    LOL! yes I’d like to know what a ‘beeth’ is also.

  • Lou

    snivel the day away
    ..nevermind..you’ll find out at the convention..nevermind

  • DougUNH

    See everyone thinks you’re a liar.

    Now, when the bus picked you up for school was it long or short?

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    a prank turned true

  • MTdob4Hillary

    Did you ever imagine it would be the National Enquirer that would actually be doing investigative journalism instead of the MSM? How bizarre, yet perfect for this mixed up political season!

  • fif

    The thing is: he might have changed his mind with his tanking numbers, realizing he needs her. And if he does put her on the ticket, as much as I can’t stand the idea of her being second in line or anywhere near him, it would help him win. I have not seen any evidence that he is politically smart enough, or humble enough, to do that, but it will be shocking if he does. It also leaves a lot of PUMA’s in a difficult position. Many have said they will NOT support a ticket with him on the top, but it will be painful to vote against Hillary.

  • Larse12

    This site has alot of information about Larry Sinclair, John Edwards, Hillary, etc. Wanted to share:
    http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2008/02/larry-sinclairs-obama-allegations-msm.html

  • DougUNH

    First you say you want Obama shot down and now you think all of his supporters should die? Hmmm….

  • Smells like McGovern

    Senator Obama blew the most important decision of his political life – when asked by the DNC clown-opera to run for President, Barack Obama jumped at the chance. He bolted out of the gate before he was ready for the race. CRASH, SPLINTER, RIP! STUMBLE! That’s gotta hurt.

    He does seem to be more of a sprinter than a marathon man.

    apologies in advance for mixed metaphors

  • workingclass artist

    LOL….Aaaaand they love Obama in GAZA….chuckle….
    Good Article….NQ ROCKS !
    ” This is going to be an interesting election…” – Bill Clinton. 2008
    Nice to see PUMA show America that like their candidate Sen. Clinton….
    SOME DEMOCRATS HAVE THE BACKBONE TO REBEL AGAINST FASCISM.

  • Skiron

    Yeah…good luck with that. Even if by some astronomical long shot she received more votes, Hillary itself wouldn’t accept the nomination, because it would make all her statements since June endorsing Obama into lies.

  • fif

    No offense here Doug,but Lou has been posting here for a long time, and since when does the MSM having any info. signify whether a story is true or not? We’ve been reading about Edwards online since last fall. If HRC has been tapped as VP, it will be known soon enough.

  • workingclass artist

    What Comrade Howard ( iblobarry ) Dean the UberPutz is sayin about it all being up to Hillary is the biggest load O’ Shit I’ve hear outta his mouth in at least the last 10 minutes…..It is a coded threat….The DNC is holdin her senate seat HOSTAGE….Sheeeesh!

  • workingclass artist

    Wexlar…..Karma Dominoes anyone ?

  • Skiron

    too soon…the body’s not even cold yet.

  • workingclass artist

    Okay….So If HRC got the nod…..Aaaaaand Barry is disqualified by GOP cause he’s ineligible for POTUS…..Hmmmm……could be good Wriiiight ?

    ” It’s going to be an interesting election…” – Bill Clinton. 2008

  • Smells like McGovern

    Mr Obama may be ill-served by his hallelujah corner in the press. The Pew survey suggests that the frenzy of media coverage of Mr Obama is creating a backlash. He may also be ill-served by some of his more over-the-top supporters who treat him like a rock star rather than a statesman. “Barack Obama is inspiring us like a desert lover, a Washington Valentino,” Lili Haydn wrote in the Huffington Post. “Couples all over America are making love again and shouting ‘Yes we can’ as they climax.”

    I linked to the article in the Economist, found this little tidbit. I am so impressed that the presumptuous nominee can now add Remote Control Sex Therapist to his CV.

    That’s hot.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm…..maybe…maybe not if Barry aint’ eligible…..Hmmmm……

  • Darryl

    This is what will happen. She won’t put her name on the ballot, and she will be vp. This will piss us all off and we still won’t vote for the ticket. Obama loses in November and she runs in 2012. When she runs again, those reporters will be so under the gun to be damned to say ANYTHING remotely sexist about her, that the coverage will be fair. She will win in 2012. I feel so confident about this, I can not tell you.

  • workingclass artist

    BULLSHIT…Karen for GAZA…..It’s on NPR and his manager confirmed it.
    SHEEESH! Bernie Mac was a gifted comic…sad….who just became a KARMA DOMINOE…..and that is a FACT.
    Teddy K.
    Bob Novack
    Tim Russert
    John Edwards
    Donald Young
    Bernie Mac
    Wexler
    Anyone else car to add to the list…..KARMA is a tricky thing…..No ?

  • workingclass artist

    Or…..Obama is disqualified and has to resign ( Phony COLB or Odinga ) take your pick…..Aaaaand she becomes the nominee for POTUS….Hmmmm…..

  • JoeCHI

    Great post!

    Might I add, if there is no roll call vote, this would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.

  • basil

    Uh-Oh,

    Split Personality Troll onboard.

    Forgot the name of this one. It wasn’t anchovy . . . . .

  • Lorie

    Good morning all!

    This party unity stuff is getting on my last nerve. I have never seen such corruption in my life. At least both parties used to at least try to hide the corruption, ( not that in any way it makes it any better.) but the nobambi campaign seems to embrace it. This is America, I am an American and I will put my country and her citizens before ANY party loyalty BS.
    It is my right to vote for who I want. The last time I checked we were not China, but it looks like obambi and his hostile corporate take over of the DNC is favor communism over democracy. I wonder, if he should by some miracle make it to the White House is he going to move that to Chicago too like he moved the DNC headquarters? (Even George W didn’t have the audacity or should I say balls to move the RNC to Texas) Is that even legal????? Where the hell is the freaking FBI and CIA when it comes to nobambi, there is enough on him to warrant there full attention. He and Axelrod should be sitting in jail cell right now. WTF is going on !!!!!

    Oh one last thought, John Edwards, he is supposed to be such a righteous God fearing person, he based his campaign on being the truth teller the advocate for he poor the person who was going to take down big corporations bla bla bla , well gee come to find out he is the biggest liar and hypocrite in the world,and did anyone see our green God Al Gore’s new boat. Hmmmmm that just makes me feel so confident that the chosen one is such a truth teller. The whole DNC is rotten to the core. Hillary if I were you I would tell the DNC to go F*&$ themselves!!!!

    McCain in 08

    Hillary we are counting the days until you launch your campaign for 2012, because it looks like all the talk about having a roll call is just another one of obambi’s smoke and mirror phoney show to make us fall in line. Well guess what we are not as stupid as obambi thinks we are. Nobama EVER!!!!!!! John McCain will get his four years and then onward and upward to Hillary in 2012! Remember people Bill Clinton himself said the asshole is not ready to lead and he has only given him half-assed endorsements, Bill Clinton’s silence speaks volumes. Albeit he is speaking at the convention, remember that is just protocol.

    A vote for John McCain is a vote against the chosen one. I never in my life thought i would vote foe a Republican….what is this world coming to?

  • Newly Independent

    Very good points.

    I definitely don’t envy Hillary’s position right now.

    I definitely believe that those DNC/Dean/Pelosi pimps are politically holding the Clintons hostage.

  • democracyfirst

    It doesn’t matter what the DNC or Obama do concerning Hillary at this point. They are running scared and making mistakes. They are offering Hillary things and giving her a choice – make the choices they want or go down in flames.

    But the real choice Hillary has is Party or Country. Since I have supported her since Bill was running for President, I am anxious to see which she will choose.

    If Hillary chooses Country over Party:

    She will decline the VP slot if offered. It would be very bad for the country if Obama was President, no matter who the VP is.
    If she has information that Obama will be eliminated before the GE, she cannot rely on that – nothing is sure in this election season. And even if it did happen, she would be tainted as the running mate of an illegitimate candidate.

    She will put her name in nomination at the convention. It is up to her now. We have done all we can do. We cannot put her name in and the DNC will not put her name in. The DNC will offer her the choice while threatening her in the smoke filled room.

    So if Hillary is the VP candidate, it will be her choice. If Hillary has her name in nomination for President, it will be her choice.

    Very hard choices. I hope she makes the right ones.

  • Lorie

    Get the F out of here troll. Bill CLinton was the best president and orator this country has EVER had,but you probably wern’t even born yet so what the hell do you know. Go back an play your video games.

  • Pink Panther

    Doug,
    What’s wrong?

    Don’t you get any attention at home or elsewhere, and you have to come here for attention?

  • Five Thirty

    it doesn’t make sense that Hillary be told to “Sit. Sit, girl. Sit!”

    You’ll recall that Sen. Clinton was also repeatedly told by party senior members to drop out of the primary race. I’m glad to see that people are putting up a fight so that the convention is not a complete sham, but the process has been so shockingly flawed and rigged that I don’t consider it legitimate and will vote against the party in November.

  • bemused

    Yes–but it’s like chess, there is the movement for the turn and the long game. Hillary has said that she takes what she has every day: that implies the “best move of the moment” strategy. What else would be a better strategy for her now? I had an idea that maybe the SDs are having a change of heart, or cold feet due to rumors, and that this is behind the incredible number of people who have turned down the VP slot. Maybe they want to save face and ease her back in by making it clear that if he gets nominated, she has to be the VP, and this way they have a fallback. She also has the best chance to end up the candidate this way if he crashes and burns. If he did have some other VP, we might be stuck with that person.

  • Darryl

    Its called overload. His type of speech has a melody to it. After a while, you get used to it and then its over. Its like a song that you play over and over and over and then eventually you know all the words but hate the song.

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    I like that MUCH better

    I don’t like all the 2012 talk

    BS – it is 2008 we can’t WAIT that long!

    McCain will just have to be remembered as the Maverick that ALMOST was!

    Just like BAMBI the Doe that never became a Dear!! Just a sweetie so some!

    yuck

  • Darryl

    I didn’t know that, what a sham the press is now. That should be a red light to every american that you can not rely on the press to give you the whole story.

  • Newly Independent

    “And the internet is months ahead of MSM on anything that is really news worthy. I feel bad for the people that don’t have a computer. If anyone is just getting the pseudo information by tv you know they don’t know HALF the true story about anything.”

    Ain’t it the truth?

    Had a debate with three of my family members last night (one who drank the Kool-Aid back in January, the other two drank it recently) about that slimeball Obama. They get almost 100% of their news from the scummy MSM. Been trying to explain to them the truths about Obama’s political flip-flopping tendencies and his crooked past in Chicago. How the MSM isn’t reporting the whole truth about Obama. They’re not listening – so far. It’s disturbing.

    Shouldn’t the fact that the MSM – BIG BUSINESS MSM – have been kissing Obama’s ass since January send up huge RED FLAGS in the minds of any of the average, everyday Obama supporters?? At all???

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    nope 2012 is too late

    McCain and Bambi will have to get over it!

    HILLARY 08-12

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    HILLARY WILL BE PRESIDENT 2008

    bet on it!

  • Darryl

    this is correct. I talk to my sister all the time and tell her about stuff and she thinks I am nuts, then months later it comes out in the news and she goes, hmmmm. I tell her all the time that she can’t trust anything on the news, that they only give you what they want you to beleive. I think I will make her come around in the end.

  • bemused

    I misspoke and used a common figure of speech and immediately apologized. I know the One has made it evermore difficult to use common words and phrases since the start of this race, but I did not mean that literally, in fact I put your effort to say I wanted him or Bernie Mac dead in the same category as the now useless racist word. Useless. Now stuff it. The conditioning has worn off. I will not be bullied by innuendo or your interpretation of my meaning.
    As to Bernie Mac, G-d is the judge of his life and the contribution he made to others. But I do expect a lot of bad karma to come back around and bite people.

  • workingclass artist

    Ehemmm…..Edwards and Wexler are Karma Dominoes….Karma works both ways….POSITIVE/NEGATIVE….DUG from GAZA

  • DougUNH

    Pink Panther,
    What’s wrong?

    Can’t think of any other insults so you have to use one of mine?

  • DougUNH

    OK, I’ll take that bet!

  • democracyfirst

    I am betting on it. Hillary and Bill are smarter than all those idiots put together. I’m sure the Clintons are one step ahead of them all the way and are just biding their time.

    Bill will not stomp for Obama and Hillary is very stingy with her praise of Obama. They don’t want to be seen as having a part in Obama’s chicanery when he goes down in flames.

  • Darryl

    Maybe its the Lou, you know Lou Dobbs. But his boss won’t let him say because you know that reporters aren’t free just to tell any story they want. IT has to be approved first.

  • workingclass artist

    Agree with you Lori…..Both Hillary and Bill are in the Top 100 Best Speeches at American Rhetoric website…..

  • Darryl

    Here you go again putting words into her mouth. She said that if Obama were the nominee, she would campaign for him. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or what? Jesus God go back to English class man. the nominee isn’t going to be know untill AFTER the convention dip shit. LOL

  • Kal

    Comment by Kal | 2008-08-09 10:34:36

    Reposted from below:

    To get the state of Illinois to look into BO’s status as a lawyer, you do not contact the ISBA — you need to contact the Chicago office of the Illinois Attorney Registration and Discipline Committee/Commission — that is the official state office that collects applications for admission to the bar, obtains annual updates on everything pertaining to lawyer functioning, gets all the data on file resworn every year, and handles complaints made by the public — including queries about whether lawyers lied on their applications about anything to begin with, and formal complaints about behavior that has the public appearance of conflicting with what is known about the rules re lawyer certification and conduct.

    You can easily find the contact info for this office by googling Illinois ARDC, and ask to talk to an officer — but do not start with the person at the very top, who would likely be a political appointee.

  • DougUNH

    Bill is speaking on Wednesday night at the convention. You wanna know why? So he can be the one to officially nominate Obama. They are both on board.

    I think Hillary is still upset that she isn’t the nom. I don’t blame her. A year ago there isn’t a person out there who thought it would turn out the way it did.

    Now you all say she doesn’t seem enthusiastic when she stumps for him. It seems to me that when she is talking about her supporters backing Obama she seems genuinely concerned that some of you are so stupid that you would actually vote for McCain over Obama.

    So it’s not that she isn’t behind him, it’s that she is ashamed of all of you. You can see it all over her face.

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    exactly!

    They are at LEAST as smart as we are here! And we’ve seen it coming.

    The lemmings aren’t looking.

    That brick wall is gonna hurt when they slam into it! Good thing kids are durable and Elites can afford good health insurance!

    The AA’s that are NOT rich may suffer most. Blind loyalty to something as dumb and generic as a whole RACE will do that.

    Pow! Reality BITES!

  • ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

    It is prolly known by insiders that Obama will be disqualified and it may not happen until AFTER the convention. so. as a failsafe measure Hillary will be “asked’ to take the VP slot. After the disqualification of Obama Hillary will be at the top of the ticket, she will then pick the VP. most likely Ed Rendell. The clue that gave this away was Bill Clintons comment when asked if Obama is Qualified to be president. W. Clinton said” only the constitution of the United States determines elegibility to be president” this is why Obama is in Hawaii to desparately try to “lose ‘the Barry Soetoro COLB.if he can’t. it’s over 4 him!

  • Five Thirty

    Doug, we are not going to vote for a party that rigs a primary and cheats. The DNC has become dishonest and I will not support it.

  • DougUNH

    Who you vote for and why is nobody’s business but your own.
    I’m just saying that Hillary probably finds it hard to believe that someone who supported what she stood for would EVER support McCain.
    She is probably just disappointed because she realizes that most of you voted for her for the wrong reasons and not because you believed in her and what she stands for.

  • Five Thirty

    The DNC disappointed its members with its dishonesty and cheating.

  • Andy

    Not supporting Obama does NOT mean a voto for
    McCain.

    Some will but there are other options at our disposal.

    So, your comment above is based on a false assumption and therefore not correct.

  • DougUNH

    So you want to give your vote to someone who doesn’t represent anything you believe in? Vote third party or if you can write Hillary in do that, but to vote for McCain…well that just doesn’t make sense.

  • jnm594

    But who will save the Dem Party?

    I don’t know if it can still be saved. But if HRC and Big Dawg came out with everything they’ve got it would be a start.

    They both know where the bodies are buried and I would love to see them come out..

    “Well let me tell you about………”

  • DougUNH

    Look above.

    Also please be fair. The majority of the people that post on this website say they will vote for McCain.

  • roseeriter

    We believe in Country over Party Loyalty. Hillary believes in America too and had great policy plans. That was her connection to most of us.

  • Five Thirty

    I will vote for McCain so that the Democratic Party is deprived of the Executive due to dishonesty.

  • catherine

    I knew the Hawaii trip was related to this. He just went to Hawaii a few months ago. Vacation? no way- he is going there to try to save his corrupt behind.

  • workingclass artist

    I have been playing a fun scenario in my head this mornin…..Hmmmmm…. ( que Harp sounds and fade to black…..)

    What if Obama gets the nomination in Denver…..But the GOP pounces and exposes Barry as being ineligible for POTUS….through COLB, Dual Citizenship, Election Fraud, Odinga campaigning…choose your weapon…..Aaaand as a result Barry has to quit he race.
    Does the Dem. Party go to the selected VP to replace Barry or to the other candidate from the primaries ( Sen. Clinton )…..hmmmm…..
    Now if Obama chooses Clinton to be his VP…..Aaaaand he has to exit the race…..She could be the nominee on both counts…..hmmmmm……..

    ” It’s going to be an interesting election……” – Bill Clinton. 2008
    Gee Bill……What an understatement….lol……It was gettin kinda dull

  • Jillie

    i hope some national enquirer reporters are there. isn’t it sad when we have to depend on papers like that to do actual investigative reporting?

  • Anne

    this stuff started coming out of the Enquirer in December. You’d think the DNC would have had Enquiring minds back then and discussed it with Edwards.

  • csuzeq

    And there is no Obama speech in the top 100, not even that fantasicalfabulososlegtinglyawesomtastic 2004 convention speech!

  • workingclass artist

    You gotta admit that is a great site…no ?

  • csuzeq

    Have you heard the MSM, including FOX ;-( keep saying the Clinton’s are trying to hijack Obama’s convention???? Everytime I hear that I scream, “It’s the democratic party’s convention you shitheads! It is not Barky’s possesion.” I hate that freak piece of shit. There is no way I’ll vote for him, even if Clinton is VP, which some MSM is reporting that is why Bill is speaking Wednesday and will introduce the VP who they assume that means it will be Hillary! I pray not!

    I was called for a poll survey yesterday and they actually asked if Clinton was the nominee would I vote for her and I said yes I would. On every other question about POTUS I answered McCain. There were alot of questions about if religion mattered or if race mattered to which I said it doesn’t matter if you trust the candidate. What made me freak out is that they asked if I would vote for Barky if Clinton is VP and I said no, but they also asked me about my Governor as McCain’s VP (he is in the running) and since it was only those 2 as VP choices, it made me nervous! Please do not let it be Hillary. She is way smarter than that and I will have to vote against her and it will kill me to do that, but I’ll have to.

  • csuzeq

    I must add that the pollster kept sighing at my negative comments about Barky so either he is a supporter or he is getting alot of the same responses or both.

  • csuzeq

    Isn’t it kind of fascinating that Edwards used the term narcissistic to describe himself.

  • Linda C.

    I lived in Florida..that won’t work there. They will call him a carpet bagger and vote his ass out.

  • csuzeq

    I saw a clip of Hillary on FOX and she looked warn out. She is getting hammered from all sides on this. She can handle it I know, but I wish she could just be with Bill and PUMAs until the convention to be lifted up and not torn down by those who hate her!

  • workingclass artist

    Clintons…Both define Comeback…..I can see it now a photo of hillary ala Dewey beats Truman…..this is gettin fun again….

  • csuzeq

    worn out not warn out! Typing too fast!

  • csuzeq

    I hope they are checking into the birth certificate.

  • csuzeq

    They could truly take over the party and make it great, but I swear if they allow this all to go unpunished and sit by and watch Barky win for party loyalty, I will not be able to trust Hillary in the future! I can’t see her sitting back just watching because she’s an action gal, but wtf is going on here?????

  • csuzeq

    Bummer if it’s true because I still cannot vote for Obama. Love Hil, but it’s tough love to vote against that will politically kill her.

    Do not vote for Hillary VP, please! Only POTUS Hillary Rodham Clinton. That is our only hope!

  • YoNoObama

    Hey Dougie, you sound kind of desperate when you think about the PUMAs that are going to be voting for McCain.

    The Democratic party is corrupt and I will not be voting the big D this year even if Hillary is on the ticket. Just can’t do it and from reading other blogs, there are a lot of people that aren’t going to go for an Obama/Hillary ticket. Obama is not fit to lead this country and if I have to vote Hillary down to make sure Barky and his corrupt cronies don’t get into the White House, I am willing to do that.

    Bite me!

    PUMA

  • Ani

    That is not surprising.

  • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

    Chris Matthews and the thrill he got up his leg just listening to him.

  • AX10

    At least McCain drives a Prius.

  • http://www.google.com Jack-The-Ripper

    He’s Gotten Very Good At Reading The TelePrompter That Plouffe Has Setup For Him,Isn’t It Obvious That He Won’t Indulge In Any More Debates,First With Senator Clinton Now McCain.They Can’t Respond To Question’s That Are Not Prepared For Him.I Have This Also To Say,Their Is A Destination Of The Muslim World That Their Biggest Achievement Is To Destroy America From Within,Well The Time Has Begun To Tick One Second At A Time,Inexperienced,Unqualified,Flip Flopper,185 Present Votes,Accidentally Pushed Voters Button By Mistake,Sleeps With Strange Bedfellows,Try To Conceive His Past,Lies Constantly,Arrogant,He’s A LOSER,His Companion Also Hates America The Point I Getting At Is This In America To Be Hired For A Job In Any Way Shape,Or Form You Have To Have Experience In The Majority Of Them,You Also Have To Under Go Background Checks,And In Most Cases You Have To Under Go Drug Testing,Mr Obama Has Failed All Of Those Things,So Why Should America Put This Disaster In The Most Power Job In The World Just Because He Reads Well From A Teleprompter,In My Opinion The Destruction Is Already In Process……..JUST MY OPINION

  • NoBama

    Bernie Mac is dead. He was 50. Obama has terrible karma. His supporters are dropping like flies.

  • Retired

    You cannot vote for or against The One. You can only worship Him. Those who do not believe in The Lord Obama as their political savior will be consumed by His wrath. Perhpas in the form of a national replay of the Rodney King days in LA. Consider the safety of your family and loved ones when you make your “choice” on election day.

  • glennmcgahhee

    At one time I worked for the Enquirer. I will say that they do not publish anything they can’t back up. That is policy and they risk alot and go to great lengths to verify. They do this from all directions as it would be economically irresponsible to publish random rumors. We all had to sign agreements that kept everything known under wraps until ready for publishing.

  • DeniseB

    Yes, most of the country seems to believe Hillary’s supporters want some kind of special treatment that no “loser” has ever gotten: they seem to think the “presumptive” nominee gets to run the convention, make the rules and get nominated unanimously. If they’ve forgotten all our prior conventions, or if they’re not old enough to remember, why aren’t the media pointing out that this is NOT the way things have been done?

    I read a very depressing blog yesterday at the NY Times where one person after another was complaining that the Clintons haven’t done what’s expected of them, namely to slink off in disgrace and never be seen or heard from again. They really feel this is what they’re supposed to do, and that since they’ve refused to do it they deserve to have loathing, insults and ridicule heaped on them.

    I’m at a loss to understand how this happened. Did Obama really engineer this? Is he really so disgusting a human being?

    Anyway, do we have a historian here? I’d like to know any candidate in the past was expected to give up his delegates before the first ballot. Or whether the “presumptive” nominee has ever been able to have total control over who gets to speak, or the party platform. Are there precedents for this?

  • Lorie

    Dawnella, Pease do not get me wrong, I want nothing more than to see Hillary in 2008 as president,but the the corruption and the BS the DNC and obama are pulling, the chances are slim and none, you know they are just saying they will do a role call to shut us up. They think that is going to make us happy and drink Kool-Aid……they havent got a snowballs chance in hell. NObama EVER,EVER,EVER!

    p.s. Nobama will never tell the truth,because he wouldn’t know the truth even if a big ole PUMA came up and bit him on the ass! :)

  • PamFlorida

    Wexler is my Congressman, District 19. I am working to defeat him by supporting Dr. Ben Graber, a local Dem. who is running as an Independent. Go to: graberforcongress.com and help us get rid of Wexler.
    The DNC is strong-arming any candidate who doesn’t support Obama. Denying them money or threatening to put up an opposition candidate in local primary runoffs. Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, a dedicated Clinton supporter, has been effectively silenced by these threats. She is a terrific Congresswoman-principled, dedicated, hardworking, & outspoken. Reminds me of Sen. Clinton. Support her re-election to Congress.

  • Danny

    The DNC Rules and Bylaws committee CHEATED! With the arm twisting of Brazile, the lazy taped mouth complacency of Dean, and Pelosi who hates other women in power stole Obamas position for him. He wouldn’t be where he is today without cheating and thugery!

    Will “WE” really be “UNITED” behind “THAT”?! I don’t think so. The Party Elite screwed us for another election cycle. That is clear! Now the only way to correct a bad situation is for Obama to step down as not constitutionally legal to be POTUS!

  • Danny

    Barry Soletora Bora

  • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

    Re:comment by “retired”. Am I reading you wrong or are you saying that if we don’t vote for Obama we can expect to be attacked
    , dragged out of our cars and beaten? How can you equate that situation to a national election?

  • meileen

    I found that interesting, too. Made my paranoid button go off. I felt like it was a dig against Obama and all of his egomaniacal ways. Then I reckoned, “Why? Why would Edwards poke him in the eye?” Could it be because Obama’s Axelrove had a hand in outing Edwards’ affair? Hmmmm.

  • jbjd

    1968:
    Teddy Kennedy – 12 votes on first ballot
    Kennedy had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    1972:
    Ted Kennedy – 12 votes on first ballot
    Kennedy had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    1976:
    Ted Kennedy – 1 vote on first ballot
    Kennedy had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    1980:
    Jimmy Carter – 1981 delegates
    Ted Kennedy – 1225 delegates
    Uncommitted – 122
    Kennedy had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    1984:
    Jesse Jackson – 465 votes
    Jackson had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    1988:
    Jesse Jackson – 1218 votes
    Jackson had no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    2004:
    John Kerry: 2192.5 Pledged delegates
    Howard Dean: 114.5 Pledged delegates
    Dean had already dropped out, with no chance of winning, but his name was placed in nomination.

    2008:
    Barack Obama: 1766.5 Pledged delegates
    Hillary Clinton: 1639.5 Pledged delegates
    http://blogspot.pocpuma.com/

  • ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

    Question is: Who is the “large edwards donor’ who is giving edwards’s mistress $15,000 A MONTH! PLUS APTS. HOTELS. LIMOS. UNREGISTERED CELL PHONES ! this person must be named NOW1 how much has this individual given so far? is he connected to the obama campaign in any way? a donor/ a surrogate!?!@ WTF IS HE??this is verrry verry sinister and reeks of a fix. what was Edwards offered by Obama after the W.Va. primary?/ when did the Obama campaign know about this?(most likely before the Iowa primary!) and was this a concerted conspiracy to deny H. Clinton the nomination and is Dean involved/ was he informed and who are the contacts for Edwards’s “bag man/men” with all of the loot that funded this and what are the source(s) of these funds!?! what federal/state/campaign laws were broken? This requires an IMMEDIATE INVESTIGATION! OUR NATION HANGS IN THE BALANCE!!

  • ALLY BABA WAN KENOBE

    TIME TO PEEL THE ONION!

  • S. Heath

    I don’t understand why ANY of you would be willing to vote for Obama in exchange for a token concession like having Hilary’s name read at the convention.

    Obama will still be a lying, cheating, anti-American who happened to join the democratic party so that he could get elected president.

    Why would you condemn our country to this?

    Stay strong. Do not vote for somebody you KNOW is wrong for our country just because Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean selected him to be the nominee!

  • Ferdberfle

    Obama isn’t good at oratory or debate. He is certainly no William Jennings Bryan. Mainly he comes off as using vocabulary that doesn’t match his personage. It is jarring and at the same time, quite boring.

  • Ferdberfle

    Those bozos running the dem bus into ditch consider unity to be doing things their way.

  • sproutingly

    And this is why they don’t want Clinton’s name placed into nomination. Because she, unlike those others, DOES have a chance of winning.

  • bemused

    Thank you. Maybe the atmosphere could be elevated if we could think of some positive karma results? Crystal ball still a little cloudy here–but I do know this stuff about saying specific words are off limits for specific classes of users has to go, right now. It’s the classist card, sneaking in with the race and victim cards.

  • CheatedFLVoter

    I’m even more paranoid. It popped into my mind that obama probably planted the woman to seduce Edwards, so he could blackmail one of his opponents. One account said that this was leaked out a long while back and it just now got legs when they caught him with her. He does seem to go out of his way to remove his competition.

  • Ferdberfle

    The last great act of defiance, perhaps? I think John knows what an egocentric twit Oblahblah is.

  • debbie

    Well…no…the vast majority of Clinton delegates are planning on voting for Obama. In my state, EVERY Clinton delegate has announced they are voting for Obama.

  • debbie

    He hasn’t been in Hawaii for about 15 months. That information is in many, many news stories.

    In your normal life, do you normally just make things up?

  • Ferdberfle

    You must live in denial, little debbie. Go back to baking your nasty-ass snacks and leave this blog to the adults, 10-watter.

  • Ferdberfle

    When did you get the lobotomy, little debbie? Was it before or after the Anointed One announced his candidacy?

  • doctorwang

    Why would you condemn this country to 4 more years of Bush’s agenda?

  • Ferdberfle

    What planet have you been inhabiting, goob? The Anointed One is the second coming of Shrub. You want the public to trade in one arrogant ignoramus with another, even worse arrogant ignoramus.

  • doctorwang

    I’m not sure what would happen. They may have another impromtu convention and have the delegates vote again (it wouldn’t have to be a huge affair with speeches/events). It may be that the DNC can simply decide the new nominee- especially if there is a lack of time before the general. I really don’t think that the VP choice automatically would get the Presidential nomination. It’s worth checking into the Democratic rules/policies and see if your points are addressed there.

  • doctorwang

    Now, now, be polite. Do you really feel that Obama is a repeat of Bush? That McCain wouldn’t carry on Bush’s policies?

  • DeniseB

    Thanks, jdjb. I thought this was the case.

  • Obama is a bum

    I wish Bill Clinton would jab his finger into Obama’s eye.

  • NotBrainwashed

    Obama would happily continue Bush’s policies if it won him more votes! The polls dictate his policies.

    Your candidate stands for nothing, you see. If elected, he’ll be North Korea’s and Iran’s little bitch. He has no spine whatsoever.

    While I believe military action should always be a last resort, these countries should also not be able to make us appease them. Obama, I fear, would do just that.

  • DeniseB

    So why was Obama trying to do away with the normal voting process? Is his ego that big that he can’t tolerate having a floor vote? What is wrong with this man?

  • Ferdberfle

    I am tired of being “polite” to trolls who are little more than obamatrons with gluttony for being punished. I stand by what I said.

    And by the way, Oblahblah is also completely UNFIT for POTUS.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more.3665 pumawhisper

    I WISH THE MEDIA WOULD TAKE OFF THEIR BLINDERS AND DO SOME REAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING ABOUT THE FRAUDULENT VOTING AND FALSE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ETC. EVEN FOX IS HOLDING BACK AND I WAS COUNTING ON THEM TO EXPOSE OBAMA BEFORE THE CONVENTION. MAKES ME WONDER WHY? IF HE IS EXPOSED AFTER THE CONVENTION THEN IS THERE ANY CHANCE THE DEMS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A CANDIDATE? OR DO THE RULES PROCLUDE THIS?

    WHATEVER HAPPENS AT THE CONVENTION, IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE, THE DNC CAN KISS THE ELECTION GOODBYE. AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM LEGALLY AND IF THE DNC ALREADY HAS THE FIX IN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I CAN SEE A VERY VERY TIME OF TURMOIL IN THIS COUNTRY AHEAD FROM WITHIN.

    WE THE PEOPLE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE VOTING FRAUD AND CORRUPTION FROM OUR LEADERS. WE ARE NOT FALLING IN LINE AND THERE WILL BE NO PARTY UNITY AND DEAN CAN GO INTO HIDING WHEN PEOPLE TURN ON HIM AS HE LEAD THE CHARGE. MERCY WHAT A MESS. “GET OVER IT, LIKE NEVER”

    I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO FIRED UP IN MY LIFE ABOUT AN ELECTION FARCE AND HAVE VOTED DEMOCRATIC SINCE 1960.
    NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT EVEN IF HILLARY IS ON THE TICKET. IT IS EITHER HILLARY OR NO DEMOCRATIC VOTING ANYWHERE THE REST OF MY LIFE.

    WE CAN’T REWARD THE DNC FOR THEIR ABOMINAL BEHAVIOR

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkOADdNSr-o Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    UP YOURS BARRY!!

    KISS YOUR PRESIDENCY GOODBYE!!!

    YOU WON’T GET ELECTED!!!

    McCain ’08

    Hillary ’12

    Obama Never! Never! NEVER!!!

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