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Do You Hear Us Now?? *Updated x2*

* Bumped up (Amy discusses Lynn de Rothschild’s article, one of the hottest stories circulating on the ‘net) *

Well, it’s official: Scott Brown won the US Senate seat in Massachusetts, easily one of the most liberal states in the Union. Brown’s win is the first by a Republican in that state since 1972. Holy moley. Time and time again, people claimed the Healthcare Bill the Democrats are trying to ram through as the reason they voted for Scott Brown. If this isn’t a wake up call to the Democrats, I don’t know what is.

And yet, there are people like Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who seems completely oblivious to the massive alarm bells ringing throughout the country. One would think this would filter into her, but apparently no:

“The reports of its death, as Mark Twain would say, have been exaggerated,” Larson added. “We’re going to move forward, and we’re going to pass health care reform.”

This afternoon, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said much the same. “Whatever happens in Massachusetts, we have to do that,” she said. “And whatever happens in Massachusetts we will have quality affordable health care for all Americans, and it will be soon.”

Oh, boy. Add to that the ramped up call for the “Reconciliation Option,” including by the organization, Credo, which sent out an email immediately following the declaration of Brown’s win asking people to sign this petition:

Your message to President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:

“The loss of Ted Kennedy’s seat — due to a lack of enthusiasm among Democrats and Independents — sends a clear message to Congress. The Senate health care bill is not the change we were promised in 2008, and it must be improved. The Senate must use ‘reconciliation’ to pass a better bill with a strong public option.”


In case you don’t know what “reconciliation” means, they are suggesting the Democrats use a 51 majority vote to shove through this bill with its payoffs, bribes, and strong-arming. I might add, this tactic was designed for use with BUDGET bills. Clearly, Credo didn’t like the message Massachusetts sent, and believes it is a better idea for the Democrats to inflame passions against this bill even MORE by using a filibuster-proof tactic. Nice.

Make no mistake, the Democrats are trying mighty hard to figure out how to get this bill through regardless of what the people say. I mean, really – it’s not like it’s their JOB or anything to care, right? Ahem.

On the other side, though, one of my favorite Democratic senators (and one I have supported), is Sen. Jim Webb of VA. This was his immediate response to Scott Brown’s win:

Less than 15 minutes after the race was called for Republican Scott Brown, the first of what could be many conservative Democrats asks for leadership to put the brakes on health care reform.

Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) congratulated Brown on his win and delivered a zinger:

“In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.”

That is more like it. He is hearing the message the people are sending, and wants to take a step back here, and look again at this bill.

But Senator Webb is not the only one. You may be a bit surprised by this, but Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), of all people, warns against changing horses in mid-stream (of course, my cynical side says he is a bit worried about his seat in the future, too):

“I have two reactions to the election in Massachusetts. One, I am disappointed. Two, I feel strongly that the Democratic majority in Congress must respect the process and make no effort to bypass the electoral results. If Martha Coakley had won, I believe we could have worked out a reasonable compromise between the House and Senate health care bills. But since Scott Brown has won and the Republicans now have 41 votes in the Senate, that approach is no longer appropriate. I am hopeful that some Republican Senators will be willing to discuss a revised version of health care reform because I do not think that the country would be well-served by the health care status quo. But our respect for democratic procedures must rule out any effort to pass a health care bill as if the Massachusetts election had not happened. Going forward, I hope there will be a serious effort to change the Senate rule which means that 59 votes are not enough to pass major legislation, but those are the rules by which the health care bill was considered, and it would be wrong to change them in the middle of the process.”

Gee, ya think?? You know, it is amazing what it takes to actually get through to these people. Maybe if this doesn’t hammer it home, this great piece by Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild will:

The problem for the Democrats in Massachusetts was not Martha Coakley; it was the Obama agenda. In 2008, voters believed that they were electing a person who would focus on the economy with laser intensity and lead in a bipartisan and principled matter. What they have gotten is a deeply divisive President committed to transforming America into a European-style social democracy. In this first year, he forced a health care bill at the expense of vitally needed focus on job creation. He has scared hard-working American voters with his hard-left rhetoric and his signature policies.

The Obama approach to health care reform is the most egregious example of breaking trust with the American people. He brokered no Republican compromise; he demonized the other side for being captive to vested interests as he made private deals with Democratic special interest groups like the unions, the insurance companies and “hold-out” Senators like Ben Nelson (who was just looking for his pound of flesh at the expense of the rest of the American people); he outsourced the bill to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid behind closed doors as he focused only on taking the victory lap for pathetic, piecemeal legislation that does not deal with our exorbitant health care costs. Have no doubt, the speech trumpeting “his” historic achievement, where other less talented Presidents than himself have failed, is already loaded on the teleprompter.

These are major negative factors for the independent voters who believed that Barack Obama was a principled and moderate Democrat. This is particularly true in Massachusetts where the nation’s only universal health care plan is bankrupting the state because of politicians’ congenital inability to deal with spiraling costs. In Massachusetts, a full 47% of voters are Independents, with 33% Democrat and only 11% Republican. For many of these voters, Barack Obama is now a busted flush; he was full of promise but has neither delivered on that promise nor exhibited the capability to deliver. He has broken the trust of the people, and voters are taking the only action available to them: Electing a candidate who can stop the Obama agenda and help restore balance to a broken political system. The voters in the Bay State are resorting to the principle that our Founding Fathers made famous: checks and balances. It is unlikely that all voters overwhelmingly support Republican State Senator Scott Brown, but it is certain that they see him as a vital player in forcing Barack Obama to come back to the center.

Preach it, Sister Lynn! Bring it on home:

This is important to keep in mind in reviewing Tuesday’s results. Equally important is to reject the demonization of Coakley that is being perpetrated by the Obama White House and the Pelosi/Reid Congress. Coakley’s troubles were never about her as a candidate; she has won state-wide elections before and few would argue she is more removed than John Kerry. Her problem was simply about the President and the radical course being charted by Democrats in Congress. A year after his inauguration — and three years since Democrats regained Congress — voters were holding Obama accountable. This simple fact makes scapegoating Coakley unconscionable, and yet this week all knives are out from the Obama White House. Coakley was insufficiently charismatic, leading Democrats are saying; she did not have an emotional connection to the voters. She did not work hard enough. She was more a “nun” than a political candidate!

This is all nonsense of course, but not surprising. After all, it’s not the first time the current crop of Democratic party leaders have torn down a talented woman in their midst.

That Hillary Clinton won Massachusetts by a resounding sixteen points in 2008 is not unrelated. While Massachusetts may be bluest of the blue, it’s a state where working class liberalism still runs deep, where an honest day’s work is still held in higher esteem than entitlement handouts. When Hillary ran on these principles, Massachusetts voters embraced her. And for this same reason, on Tuesday they embraced Scott Brown.

Obama’s team may want to make the election about Martha Coakley, but it’s not about her. As rank-and-file Democrats try to make Martha Coakley the issue and engage in her assassination, they miss the fact that they are in a circular firing squad. Their problem is that they are out of touch, and their boosters in the media cannot save them.

Voters this week stood up and said ‘enough is enough.’ It’s high time Obama and the Democrats in Congress got the message.

Amen to that. And if they don’t get it after this, there is always November…

*Updated: Ohmygosh – now Barney Frank has done a COMPLETE 180, saying he could vote for the Senate bill now. WTH is wrong with this guy? And who got to him? Wow, he is a piece of work. Way to stick to your guns there, Barney! Yeah. Right.

Second Update: well, Nancy must have heard an earful from the other representatives. Now she says the House has to make changes to the Senate’s bill:

Pelosi (D-Calif.) has been struggling for days to sell the Senate legislation to reluctant Democrats in order to get a health-care bill to the president’s desk quickly. But House liberals strongly dislike the Senate version, while moderate Democrats in both the House and Senate have raised doubts about forging ahead with the ambitious legislation without bipartisan support.

The only way to keep the Senate bill alive, Pelosi said, would be for senators to initiate a package of fixes that would address House concerns about the bill. In particular, Pelosi described her members as vehemently opposed to a provision that benefits only Nebraska’s Medicaid system. Also problematic are the level of federal subsidies the Senate would offer to uninsured individuals and its new excise tax on high-value policies, which could hit union households.

“There are certain things the members simply cannot support,” Pelosi said.

Like I said, I guess the representatives let her have it. It will sure be interesting to see what happens next.

  • Yttik

    LOL, ah gees, what a bunch of buffoons! The only good news for the Dems at this point is that Republicans also have a habit of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

    Dems will probably pass some crappy form of HC, the people will toss them out this year, and then Republicans will go and run somebody incredibly stupid in 2012. Somebody about as appealing as left over oatmeal.

  • dst

         Blaming Coakley for running a poor campaign is about as accurate as blaming Napolitano for saying “the system worked well”. Althought it seems she ran a pathetic campaign, to be a part of this mindless group, you just read your teleprompter or talking points. Even if she was a great campaigner, it would not matter. If she campaigned on independent thought on say the Obama Health Bill, most would now assume she is lying or just trying to hold out for a larger vote pay off.  

  • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Sadly, you are probably right, Yttik…

  • sowsear

    They all speak with forked’ tongues. The pox on them.

  • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Putting all the blame on Coakley is too easy.  Yes, she did a lot of things wrong (people don’t exactly appreciate it when you want them to vote for you but you don’t want to be bothered actually meeting any of them or anything), including poor legal decisions.

    One of her biggest mistakes was reversing herself so quickly on the healthcare bill.  Not smart.

    But, she also didn’t get a lot of support from the DNC machine.  I wonder why?

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I love mes some circular firing squad…..

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/20/174140/039

  • WestVirginia304

    OK, Nancy.  I have a wonderful sister-in-law who is gay.  What “reconciliation” do you have in mind for her?  What about the union only giveaway?  

    Nancy. Hear me now.

    I am a straight white male who voted for Clinton.  You stole her election.  You are talking about not listening to me.  OK.  I can’t vote against you. But I can tell everyone I know to vote against any member of Congress that caves to you.  

    You fought Hillary because you wanted to be the queen bee, and now you are.  When the men who cheered the idea of a first woman speaker start leaving you, you should pay attention.

    Nancy.  I no longer support you.  I hope you will FAIL in your efforts to shove YOUR agenda down our necks. 

    There will be a day when someone shoves your agenda back up your butt.!

    Do you hear us now?

  • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Dang!  Wonders never cease!  Thanks!

  • jbjd

    *Updated: Ohmygosh – now Barney Frank has done a COMPLETE 180, saying he could vote for the Senate bill now. WTH is wrong with this guy? And who got to him? Wow, he is a piece of work. Way to stick to your gund there, Barney! Yeah. Right.

    R3A, he thought better of his capitulation to the will of MA voters statewide when he checked the final votes in his Congressional district, the Fourth.  Brookline and Newton, 2 of the wealthiest areas, went for Coakley by 50% and 35%, respectively.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2010/by_county/MA_Page_0119.html?SITE=WRKO&SECTION=POLITICS

  • WestVirginia304

    Pardon me.  This is like family on family violence.  What is he thinking?  Does he want to win or does he want to be a REPRESENTIVE?

  • WestVirginia304

    I was talking about Barney Frank.  You know. The guy who gave us the lending meltdown.  Worst Qu@@r in the world award.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Checked DK out for the first time in…well, a long time.  My God, what a great blog we have.  That one?  No.  Really boring tripe.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “The loss of Ted Kennedy’s seat….”

    Still they don’t get it.What  Meatballs, geez

  • Docelder

    Barney looks like he at least has to act like he gets it. Well, it was Massachusetts that just elected a non-democrat. Frank now says the whole bill has to start over. He also wants to delay until Brown is sworn in. Wow. This sure put a sock in it… like nothing we have seen up til now.

    http://spectator.org/blog/2010/01/19/barney-frank-deals-potential-d

  • Cathy in Ks.

    I don’t know what’s with this democratic congress and the administration?  I do think right now most of them are trying to save face.  However, it’s obvious to everyone that’s what’s going on.  If they try to use the “nuclear option” to ram the current health care proposals through, it’s going to be disastrous for the dems facing re-election in congress in November.  There is also the option of “recalls” in some states.  I read somewhere that there’s currently a move to try to recall Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana.  
    This election in Massachusetts was clearly a national referendum against the current democratic administration and congress.  Scott Brown not only listened to the people of Massachusetts – particularly the middle and working classes, but he ran on what they wanted and won.  You are so right Rev. Amy that’s the way Hillary Clinton was and that’s the way many good democratic candidates used to be.

    Although I think it’s wrong to demonize Coakley,  she did come across as out of touch with her would be constituents and just another dem who would march in “lock step” with the democratic leadership in Washington.  (Of course the dems in Washington aren’t going to be demonizing her because of the aforementionned.)

  • Docelder

    Yep, they are doing the “what if” over there. Some of the comments even said Obama was a failure and would be a one termer. Wow. Talk about crying in the cheetoh bag.

  • Docelder

    Maybe he’s playing poker with Obama. He’s holding the reconciliation card and wants some of what Nebraska and Louisiana got some of for himself. I knew this would come. These greedy bastards are going to wreck their own legislation now holding out for special favors.

  • Patience

    Someone posted on Hillbuzz that Coakley only won by about 200 votes in Barney Frank’s district.  This makes his original statement last night understandable.  He simply wants to keep his job.

    IMO he tailored his remarks on TPM to suit his audience there: pissant Progs.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Rev, Amy, How I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall, watching a wry smile forming on SOS Clinton, as she read that piece.

    As fer ‘ol Barney Rubble, I can not recall when last I started reading and Barney was a guy from Bedrock screaming Wilma and by the end it was really Fred who made Barney scream.

    What an amusing case of literary whiplash. Thanks

  • Patience

    Someone posted on Hillbuzz that Coakley only won by about 200 votes in Barney Frank’s district.  This is hard to believe but if true, or at least close to being true, then it makes his original statement last night understandable — he simply wants to keep his job. 
     
    IMO he tailored his remarks on TPM to suit his audience there: pissant Progs.

  • felizarte

    They should (dems and repubs) agree on comprehensive reform on the basis of components such as:  tort reform, across state competition and quasi-govt. option by trigger, perhaps a health-savings plan to be charged with personal medical care to encourage everyone to have some healthcare coverage.

    Somehow, I cannot accept a mandate–it’s almost like saying you can’t live in the U.S. even if born here unless you pay up to some insurance company for the right to live.

  • Anonymous

    jbjd, THAT makes perfect sense now.  I knew there had to be some political reason for it…Sheesh.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That guest was me – forgot to sign in this morning! 

    Annie Carmel, what a wonderful thing for you to say abt NQ!!  :-D

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I was just thinking abt Hillary, and what she must be thinking…

    And thanks for the laugh, Teak!!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Good points, felizarte!

  • JJ

    As an old lady said as she asked her son to get her an absentee ballot to vote for Brown………..
    “Democrats in the old days were for the working man; now they’re for the man not working”

    “Nuff said!!”

  • surfered

    Yippee!  The Republican dream of denying health care to 40 million Americans can now be fulfilled.

  • AC

    surfered,
    Firstly, the Democrats denied it to everyone in 1993 only because it was Hillary’s plan, not that it wasn’t workable, just didn’t like her.
    So how do the unemployed pay for health insurance.  This was/is a boondoggle to insurance companies and you know it.  Nothing wrong with your sarcasm but a little honesty would be appreciated.

    Where are the jobs? Rather than play chess/basketball/gold/body surfing, maybe Obama should get to work-oh I forgot tonight is DATE NIGHT!

  • JustMe

    Good post as normal R Amy!

    I loved this interview before the GE!

    Did you see this thought you would like it and an inspirational post no-doubt will come from it…
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703405704575015461404882830.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories#articleTabs%3Darticle

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Teak!  I do love Lady Lynn – what an impressive woman she is. 

    I got something this morning from the State Dept. abt Hillary’s commitment to web access.  I appreciate the WSJ article!

    And thanks, Teak!

  • JustMe

    That was me above but I am invisible don’t worry I know my place LOL

    How about this

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425
    Interpol no longer subject to U.S. Constitution
    Chad Groening – OneNewsNow – 1/20/2010 5:00:00 AM 
    The head of a civil liberties organization is concerned about an executive order signed by President Obama last month which allows an international law enforcement agency to have jurisdiction in the United States without being subject to the U.S. Constitution.
     
    In June 1983, President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12425, recognizing the International Criminal Police Organization (Interpol) as an international organization with certain privileges and immunities afforded to diplomats. But Reagan structured his executive order to ensure that Interpol — like every other law enforcement agency in the United States — was accountable to the rule of law.
     
    John Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, explains that President Obama recently issued a new executive order that amends Reagan’s and establishes Interpol as an self-ruling police agency within the U.S.
     
    “The president of the United States is creating an autonomous international police force on American soil that’s not subject to our Constitution,” says Whitehead.
     
    “What this means is that Interpol, if they want to — and we don’t know if they will or not — can do police activities against American citizens; they can investigate American citizens,” he continues. “But again, they’re not subject to the Constitution. So the entire concept of rule of law breaks down.”
     
    Whitehead says when the White House issued its amended executive order on December 17, 2009, it issued no press release and thus generated little media attention. The attorney argues that if President George W. Bush had attempted a similar move one week before Christmas, he would have and should have been soundly blasted by the media. Whitehead says even the “normally pro-Obama” American Civil Liberties Union has recently condemned his record on civil liberties.

  • Craig Della Penna

    The reason Martha Coakley got thrown under the bus:

    In 2008, at the dem con, even after Hillary had released her delegates, Martha Coakley voted for Hillary, refused to vote for Obama. Then to top things off, she didn’t attend his party, I think it it was the one where Hillary people had to prove their loyalty to him by donating to him and, after being reminded at the very end, as an afterthought, he “promised” to help pay her debt.

    They must have really bludgeoned Coakley to get her to back him now.

    Some are wondering if he was getting back at her, instead of delaying any announcement of support for the bad bill until after she won, they wanted her to do it then. Which means that her loss is a feature. And we would be stupid not to see the strings being pulled.

  • Cindy
  • Cindy

    Click on “Les Miserables–Do You Hear the People Sing”

  • Darwin

    Another update is needed for your article. Pelosi has said she has not the votes necessary to pass the Senate bill a is. The Congress will most likely have to pass health care reforms in pieces.

  • bamaLV

    ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THE REPUBLICANS DONT PUT UP ANY CANDIDATES FOR 2012 THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER.  WE NEED FRESH FACES , WITH FRESH IDEAS AND NO POLITICAL FAVORS OWED. THAT MEANS NO ROMNEY, PALIN, MCCAIN OR ANY OTHER LOSERS. THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE AND LOST.  ITS THE PERFECT TIME FOR SOME NEW PEOPLE TO STEP FOWARD AND RUN.  MASS. SHOWED IT COULD HAPPEN.

  • Ani

    Great analysis.  I also remember Pelosi backed a different candidate in the primary.  The Obama/Pelosi/Reid wing has no love for Coakley.  They are very happy to throw her under the bus now.

  • creeper

    Pelosi now says there are not enough votes in the House to pass the Senate version of HCR.

    Also of note, Barry’s margin of approval on the Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll is down 4 today to -15.  -19 is the worst it’s been so far.  Wanna bet it keeps on tanking?  Those results in Massachusetts are going to provide validation for a lot of people who’ve been stifling the nagging feeling that Obama was a failure.  It’s easier to take a position when you know you have a lot of company.

  • Peggy Sue

    Good piece, Amy.  I missed it the first time up.  And strongly put, too. 

    I was initially encouraged by the comments of Jim Webb, Anthony Weiner and Evan Bayh: Wakeup, put on the brakes and rethink.

    But Sassy made an important comment yesterday.  Where were these men before having a gun put their heads? There was the day and the week and the months before Scott Brown ever materialized, yet where was the voice of reason then? 

    All we have seen and heard are Dems marching in lockstep to the tune of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  Voters have written and called and e-mailed.  They have shouted out their opposition to this bloated montrosity, posing as healthcare reform.  They have demonstrated all over the country at townhall meetings and on the Washington Mall.

    And now, and only now when it’s quite obvious that November elections are looming large and Scott Brown’s win is a chilly reminder of the electorate’s dissatisfaction, now we hear the thin voices of reason and the POTUS acknowledge that there’s trouble in River City.

    I agree with Lynn Rothschild: this wasn’t about Martha Coakley although she’s being dragged through the town square, a convenient scapegoat.

    This is about a lack of leadership and real integrity. And after 9 years of rotten leadership, Americans are getting pretty damn sick of the excuses.

    Do they hear us now?  They better.

  • Ani

    Amy — thank you for posting this.  Everyone in this administration should read Lady Lynn’s piece as well because it succinctly describes the mood of many Americans.  I hope it it widely circulated on the net — it needs to go viral.  And Congress needs to wake up.  As does President Obama.  No pretty speech in the world is going to make people less pissed off.  They want effective action, not talk.  And no one is in the mood for any more crony giveaways.

  • dst

      BO now (was) on TV talking to the nations mayors about all the wonderful things he has done for the cities in the past year, then shutting the cameras down before questions.

  • Guest

    I will credit Massaschusetts voters with being nothing if not inept in that case. Presuming they couldn’t appreciate the difficulty of junior senators taking a holdout position against a Democratic president’s piece of signature legislation. After all, it did take them over three weeks from the time Coakley announced a changed position on HC to show majority support for her opponant.

  • raging

    why didn’t Webb speak up after “the message” delivered at the town halls? why 3 months later jumping on bandwagon? is this the same Webb who as Sec of the Navy said woman doesn’t belong in the military? called female Academy graduates “thunder thighs”? it was beyond humiliating to those of us who served. just disgusting

  • Docelder

    Suddenly there is no big hurry to pass a new tax for healthcare that won’t actually do anything for healthcare until 2013. Yesterdays crisis atmosphere is now gone it seems. They let a good crisis go to waste I guess. Will they learn, or will they just create a new and bigger crisis?

  • politicsisdirty

    I look at Coakley as charming, down to earth person who could have won had she not embraced the radical agenda of the Democrats.

  • Katherine B.

    Do you remember when Barry was someplace speaking about how all the others before HIM had failed to pass health care reform.  He, of course, would now be the first president to be successful.  What a self-absorbed toad.  I guess he won’t be THE president to pass comprehensive health care reform. 

    I sent an e-mail to my Senator, Maria Cantwell, yesterday telling her not to pass the HCR bill and I got back a bolier plate e-mail about how wonderful the bill was and what a wonderful part she played in drafting parts of it.  Change your boiler plate, Maria!  I was so annoyed that I sent her back a reply e-mail:  “Scott Brown.”  Maybe someone on her staff will get it.

  • dst

     Join up with this group and you donate your brain to General Teleprompter, escape ain’t easy.  Kind of like roach motel “they go in but can’t come out”.

  • Cindy

    dst—now THAT’s funny! Thanks for the laugh.

  • HARP

    DO NOT TRUST PELOSI.

    A well-informed source tells The Mouth Nancy Pelosi is set to announce the House will go the reconciliation route on health care reform.
    Of course, that means using a budgetary procedure that requires a simple majority to pass.
    It’s still unclear to us precisely what that means would be passed, but possibilities would be creating a national health care exchange and expanding Medicare or Medicaid coverage.
    Democrats are caucusing now, so stay tuned.
    Update: A second source confirms that Pelosi is presenting a reconciliation plan to the caucus, and making sure they go with something that can actually pass.
    Separately, she is meeting with Harry Reid today.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/01/its-reconciliation.html#ixzz0dGllA2KE

  • Katmoon

    I also wondered if waybe she was getting back at them as well; she was a Clinton supporter, and knew first hand what this group likes to do to women in politics. Gives me a little secret smile to think maybe she pulled back a  little a FU to them as well.

  • Murray

    Umm…brand-new people for the office of President, you say?  Someone with very little experience,like, maybe…Obama?

    I’m not with you on that, bamaLV.  I want someone who not only has the best interests of America at heart, but also knows what the he11 they’re doing.

  • Darwin

    It’s conflation. The House cannot use reconciliation. Only the Senate can.

  • Murray

    Me too, Rev…gotta wonder whether the DNC just wanted to replace her, knowing that this Brown guy would be weak in 2012, when the DNC rolls out their REAL candidate.

  • Mary cusack

    Bastards!  I hope they all loose their seats so that 2/3rd veto orride can happen on all of barry’s signed bills

  • jwrjr

    Welcome to the Hotel Chicago?

  • AC

    They have no candidate.  David Gergen (I think) set him up with that softball and the super/populist response “the people’s seat”.  If he even tries a little, and proves he’s no Obama (bullshiter) then no one will take beat him in the election.

  • AC

    They have no candidate. David Gergen (I think) set him up with that softball and the super/populist response “the people’s seat”.
    If he even tries a little, and proves he’s no Obama (bullshiter) then no one will  beat him in the election.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I was thinking about Hillary, too. During the primaries there was alot of speculation as to whether Lady Lynn was giving voice to things Hillary thought but couldn’t say. I wonder if her essay isn’t a little bit of what Hillary would like to say if she were free to do so.

    BTW, thank you so much for posting Lady Lynn’s comments. I admire her a great deal and always enjoyed seeing her on cable during the primaries.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, Ani – I concur.  They should read it.  But honestly, given their responses to Brown’s election, I doubt it would get through to them. When you have Dems in the Senate, as well as the President, acting like they had NO idea people were so upset in terms of  the former, or blaming it on Bush, in terms of the latter, I don’t know what will get through to them.

    Ho many Tea Parties, how many town hall meetings, were held, with people screaming out abt the “healthcare homage to Big Pharma and ins. providers,” and they didn’t KNOW?  And newsflash to Obama – Brown is a REPUBLICAN, same as Bush, so if people were all that pissed off at Bush in MA, why in the hELL would they vote for a Rep.?  It is just senseless!! 

    And they condescend to US?  That we cannot possibly understand how complex this program is – it’s because they didnt explain it simply enough to us poor mo-rons out here.  Please.

    Ahem – and thanks, Ani!

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Damn!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Sorry – that was me.  My computer crashed a few minutes ago and I forgot to sign back in…

  • dst

    If this was still the USA I would agree but does that rule hold in Pelosiland. Bond holders used to always get first cuts ehen companies went down.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I hate to correct you, but that is not true - the House can indeed use reconciliation. 

    Reconciliation is intended for budgetary matters.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I hate to correct you, but that is not true - the House can indeed use reconciliation.  

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well, you are certainly welcome to your opinion.  I, OTOH, think if someone who is campaigning for office isn’t even willing to go MEET the people she wants to vote for her; insults a number of RSN fans, including one of their most beloved former pitchers; not to mention making legal decisions that kept innocent people IN prison, while keeping out guilty people (Geoghan), and flip flopping on the healthcare bill right before an election, is not exactly down to earth.  But that’s just me…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Cindy!  I appreciate it!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, thank you, Darwin.  I have had a lot going on this morning, and am just now getting to this.  I’ll make the change.

  • dst

    There she stood in the doorway;
    I heard the mission bell
    And I was thinking to myself,
    this could be heaven or this could be hell
    Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
    There were voices down the corridor,
    I thought I heard them say…      What happened yesterday in MassachusettEs yesterday?

  • creeper
  • Darwin

    I’m pleased to correct you. Did you read the article you reference? Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow a contentious budget bill to be considered without being subject to filibuster. (emphasis mine) The House is not the Senate. Perhaps you meant the Congress as a whole can use reconciliation?

  • Darwin

    To continue: since the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the reconciliation process represented less of a change in that body. Again emphasis mine.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    My pleasure, PE – I really like her a lot, and found her to be such an open person. 

    Interesting thought abt her being a spokesperson of sorts for Hillary.  I am sure Hillary DOES have a lot to say abt all of this.  One thing I am pretty sure of is that she would NOT have been shoving this bill through regardless of what was going on in the country just to prove she could.  And I betcha MA would have stayed blue, but that’s just my hunch…

  • Darwin

    In other words, the House doesn’t need reconciliation to stop filibusters. The House stopped using filibusters is 1842.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Excellent comment, Peggy Sue – well said!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Good one…

    It’s been a while since Obama answered any questions from the press, hasn’t it?  Remember when we hollered abt Bush not havin gany press conferences?  Uh, yeah.

  • Katmoon

    Harp,
    Can they actually use Reconcilation? Don’t they have to account and adhere to the following?

    The “Byrd Rule” (2 U.S.C. § 644, named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990 to outline which provisions reconciliation can and cannot be used for. The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be “extraneous” (and therefore ineligible for reconciliation) in six cases:
    if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure, though the provisions in question may receive an exception if they in total in a Title of the measure net to a reduction in the deficit; andif it recommends changes in Social Security.

    OOps, I may have answered my own question, and interesting article about reconsiliation found here:
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/how-reconciliation-would-work

  • Katmoon

    Harp,
    Can they actually use Reconcilation? Don’t they have to account and adhere to the following?

    The “Byrd Rule” (2 U.S.C. § 644, named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990 to outline which provisions reconciliation can and cannot be used for. The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be “extraneous” (and therefore ineligible for reconciliation) in six cases:
    if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure, though the provisions in question may receive an exception if they in total in a Title of the measure net to a reduction in the deficit; andif it recommends changes in Social Security.

    OOps, I may have answered my own question, and interesting article about reconsiliation found here:
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/how-reconciliation-would-work

  • Katmoon

    I swear I did not push the button twice! Sorry for the double post. :-[

  • Nobama4me

    I wish Lady Lynn had explained to Campbell, who obviously doesn’t know, that being a member of the “elite” , which Lady Lynn certainly is, doesn’t make a person an “elitist”, which Lady Lynn certainly is not.However, this clip shows how clueless and ignorant our “journalists” really are, though.

  • Nobama4me

    My post should have nested right under the clip from Just me. I don’t know what happened. Sorry!

  • AC

    Lady Lynn kicked her ass!  And what a ass she really is.  So that makes it a double ass kicking.

  • AC

    Nobama4mem

    Same thing happened to me.  This new system doesn’t nestle as well as the old one–it was much easier to interact with other commenters before.

  • HC123

    surfered, thank you for illustrating what progressives do when they lose. They lie, make ridiculous statements, then run off with their fingers in their ears yelling nyah nyah.

    “Republicans” do not want to deny health care to “40 million”. This is not part of the party platform, and not what any American I have ever met wants. We all want the same things – a good life in a pleasant land. The argument is only about what gets us to this goal. If you think Barney Frank is the answer, I have a bridge to sell you.

  • Doc99

    Keith Hennessey explains that Reconciliation is easier said than done.
    The Byrd Amendment is a real stumbling block to what the Pelosi/Reid Politburo wish to accomplish.
    http://keithhennessey.com/2010/01/19/two-bill-strategy/

  • bayareavoter

    Thank you Triple R Amy for linking to Lady Lynn’s piece. I have enjoyed her persective since I discovered her during the primary.

  • felizarte

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/01/21/clgray-health-care-reform-obama-massachusetts/

    Above is a link to an in-depth article on insurance reform items.

  • Maria3

    I hope Hillary Clinton hear this :)

    Mrs. Clinton Should Prep for 2012

    Mrs. Clinton, start gearing up for 2012.  Her loss was narrow! Operation Chaos (orchestrated by me and executed by many of you) kept her in that race longer than she otherwise would have been.  But Obama has failed miserably in record time.  And my gal Hillary, who so many of you voted for in the Democrat primary, could be well poised to springboard back into the race in 2012. 

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012010/content/01125108.guest.html

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well, except that by now we know that the “signature legislation” is essentially done.  So there is that.  The man hasn’t even been sworn in yet, and the Speaker of the House is backpeddling as fast as she can.

    I don’t know what will happen in 2012, but it looks like the Jr. Senator from MA has already made a significant difference…

    Murray, as I understand it, there were other candidates the DNC seemed to like better.  But still – until just a few weeks ago, this unknown state senator was just that – unknown.  And still, in one of the most libeal states, a relative unknown Rep. WON.  No matter how you look at it, that is remarkable.

    AC – I think you’re right.  If Brown is anywhere close to staying true to himself, he’ll be fine.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    LOL – good one, Doc!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I know, Teak – I have been thinking the same thing evey time they use that phrase.  They still are not listening…

  • Nobama4me

    I am relieved to know it wasn’t something I did. Thanks AC.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    EXCELLENT POINT, NoBama4me – that is exactly right.  Lady Lynn is most definitely not an elitist, not like the majority of these patronizing, arrogant, belittling “representatives” we have in Congress – and in the White House…

  • SeriouslySickOfObama

    This is how I have always seen it..they voted him in under the cheated rules of Donna B. and he would be in office for only four years..ruin the US..that is his real agenda, btw, then he would not run, nor biden and Hillary will take center stage and win.  I have looked all over the republican candidates and can’t find ONE that is ready on day one, not even our beloved Scott Brown, he has a lot to learn and a short time to do it to be ready to run against Hillary in the next Prez election, then he will be ready.  Electing Brown for prez after oidiot would be doing more of the same of electing someone not qualified for the job.  I see Hillary as our next prez in 2012 and I pray every night this comes to pass!  I don’t care who Bill sleeps with, Hillary is for the people and always has been!! It is all about the RESUME and the past actions of a candidate.  The best way to judge someone’s future is to view their past~Hillary told us that Oidiot would not do the job and as always SHE WAS RIGHT!!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    No worries, Katmoon – it was a good post!  Thank you!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    And I am just as pleased to point out THIS from the same article: Reconciliation also applies in the United States House of Representatives, but since the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the reconciliation process represented less of a change in that body.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Indeed!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    My pleasure – I enjoy her perspective, too.  She is something else!

  • Guest

    Yes, certainly she’s made a serious impact in defeat. I’m just saying
    it would have been extremely difficult for anyone, no matter what their standing, to be willing to be the only Democratic senator standing in the way of the president/party leadership’s most important priority this year.

    Even NARAL seemed to sympathize with her plight for heaven’s sake. “Her position is understandable, given the impossible choice that antichoice extremists have put members of the Senate and future members of the Senate in,’’ said Andrea Miller, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts.

  • Lou Filliger

    The reconciliation process applies to the Senate and House concurrently, in that a new bill would have to be submitted in both houses with reconciliation instructions to the various committees.  Those committees then draft legislation that comes back to the floor for a vote.  House doesn’t need a special rule for the vote (simple majority), but Senate does (51 votes, subject to the Byrd rule).  The key here, I think, is that they have to start over from scratch, on both sides.  It’s not as if they can apply reconciliation to the existing piles of excrement they already passed.  They have to pinch off new piles of excrement, which will take time.  I don’t see this process working, by the way.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I meant to add – sorry – that just because they do not use it often, does not mean they do NOT, or cannot, use it. 

    ANd honestly, I am not sure why you are arguing this point since I mentioned it folowing comments abt the Senate in the first place, so…

  • sandshark222

    Well said!! I too have never met anyone who wants 40 million Americans uninsured. I come from a family of mostly conservative republicans, and I can tell you right now everyone in my family would love to see every American insured. We may disagree on how to get there, but we all want the best for this country. This bill is a disaster and has flaws on so many levels. I strongly object to forcing anyone to have health insurance. Did they forget we are a free country?

    Surfered, those kind of comments just show how narrow minded you are, and it displays that you don’t understand the opposition at all.

  • Screw-the-DNC

    Darwin, you need to evolve your reading comprehension skills.

    First, RRRA’s reference, as she pointed out, was to the Senate, which DOES employ the Reconciliation process.

    Second, whether they use it or not, the Reconciliation process is indeed available to the House of Representatives.

    Now take yourself off under a rock or back into the swamp until your next round of evolution takes place.

  • AC

    Hard to argue with your logic SCOO

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you, Lou, for laying that out so clearly! 

    And yes, I think they will be having to start all over from scratch, and break out their various “new piles of excrement.” – LOL,  Thanks for that.  But yes, it will be a long, slow process, but honestly – that’s how it SHOULD have been done in th efirst place – deliberately, with a minimum of pet projects, bribes, and arm twisting…

  • Docelder

    Have we undone the Louisiana purchase and the Nebraska cheese lines if this version dies? Or have we already bought these two prostitutes and now it’s too late to get a refund?

  • Lou Filliger

    My understanding is that the Cornhusker Kickback and Louisiana Purchase are now footnotes in history.  By the way, I believe I read that Ben Nelson had already asked that his bribe be removed from the bill when they were still thinking they had the 60 votes for something coming back from Conference.  Maybe something remotely to do with his polling numbers falling faster than Tiger Wood’s pants.

  • Lou Filliger

    Sorry, my next post was meant to be in reply to you.  My family has only been walking upright for a few generations, and using a blog software seems to take all 60 of my votes.

  • Nobama4me

    …and the Media, Rev.Amy, never forget the Media, even while they show how ignorant they are, as CB proves here.

  • FLDemFem

    When I first read about the Executive Order a while after it was issued, I laughed out loud. Everyone was worried about Interpol’s possible infringement on our civil liberties and nobody got it. Nobody. That Executive Order means that if the ICC in the Hague issues a warrant for George Bush or Dick Cheney, Interpol can just come get them. No muss, no fuss. Obama just told the International Court that if they want them, they can come get them. That Executive Order means that they won’t need to extradite them, just arrest them and haul them off to trial in Europe. Of course, it also applies to any other Americans wanted by Interpol, but we usually cooperate with them, that way they cooperate with us when we need them to. But this Executive Order is basically handing Bush and Cheney over to whoever can get an arrest warrant against them.

  • My other site

    Pelosi announced today they don’t have the votes to go ahead with the Senate version, so it’s back to the drawing board.

  • getfitnow
  • My other site

    Go HIl!

  • creeper

    Whoa!  My first thought was I think we can send ‘em back to the streets, Doc.  The blowj…er, buyout was only good if the bill passed.  But if the contract for it was seperate legislation…

    Nah.  No way THIS Congress could pass something that fast.

  • MBC

    I am no Bush-Cheney fan, but this is just wrong.

  • felizarte

    Nancy and Harry, and all those Dems who went on a limb for HCR are under the bus as Obama/Gibbs say:

    US President Barack Obama will let the “dust settle” after his health reform plan fell into limbo in Congress, the White House said, downplaying the chances of swift action on the bill.

    Obama’s top priority was thrown into uncertainty after Republicans won a special election in Massachusetts on Tuesday, stripping away the 60-vote Democratic supermajority needed to get the measure through theSenate.
    “The president believes it is the exact right thing to do by giving this some time, by letting the dust settle, if you will, and looking for the best path forward,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

  • Docelder

    Well, I just saw this and not to change the subject… yes AGW is my soapbox, I am taking deep breaths here… O.K. but there was an effort in the senate today to block the EPA from being able to regulate CO2 initiated by Republicam Murkowski. Guess what two democrats fell over signing onto this… well there were three really. The Democrats, the Associated Press reports, are Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas. More bounty from the Brown miracle.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/21/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6126319.shtml

  • lorac

    But that was a quote from Rush Limbaugh.  Rush Limbaugh doesn’t want Hillary to win.  When I first heard that quote, my first thought was that he was anticipating her splitting the democratic ticket and making it easier for the republican candidate to later emerge victorious, or some other self-serving hypothesis.  In other words, if Rush is encouraging Hillary to run, I don’t think he’s doing it for her benefit or for ours!

  • SeriouslySickOfObama

    I am beginning to think Rush can’t find a Republican either.  Even Ann Coulter says..HILLARY IS OUR GIRL!!

  • Margo Lane
  • TeakWoodKite

    Can you imagine SOS Clinton and Pelosi “conversing”? LOL Bloody daft Shelia Pelosi and Hillary.
    I pay to see that go 12 rounds.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Bo answering questions? ROLF! BO would get “Flying Shoe Award”, like something out of Monty Python.

  • TeakWoodKite

    BO answering Questions? ROLF! BO would get the “Flying Shoe Award”, like something out of Monty Python.

  • Concerned

    Campbell sounds really stupid and incredibly biased.

  • Doc99

    Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, tells National Review Online that House Democrats are planning to use the budget-reconciliation process in order to pass Obamacare. “They’re meeting with each other this weekend to pursue it,” says Ryan. “I’ve spoken with many Democrats and the message is this: They’re not ready to give up. They’ve waited their entire adult lives for this moment and they aren’t ready to let 100,000 pesky votes in Massachusetts get in the way of fulfilling their destiny. They’ll look at every option and spend the next four or five days figuring it out.”
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTIxZmJiOGUwMTViYjYxODVjOGYzNGUxOTkzNDcyYWU=

  • creeper

    So they think they’re going to shove it down our throats anyway?

    Let’s hope voters spend the news few days shoving it up their (_!_)s,

  • bamaLV

    I DID NOT SAY UNEXPERIENCED PEOPLE (LIKE OBAMA) JUST  NOT HARD CORE, ENTRENCHED PEOPLE WITH AXES TO GRIND. (YES LIKE SCOTT BROWN)  JUST NOT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER AND OWE TOO MANY FAVORS.  NO KERRYS, GINGRINCHS, MCCAINS, OR THE LIKE. I SUSPECT THE REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS AND ARE LOOKING FOR A FRESH FACE, WITH A REPUTATION FOR HONESTY AND MOST OF ALL..A LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

  • Lou Filliger

    That whole CO2 issue has got to die a natural death as the public at large wakes up from the AGW hoax.  I give it 2 years.  If our electorate was a bit more able to think for themselves then it should have already woken up, but given the reality, 2 years.

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