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]]> By: Tricia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299201 Tricia Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:36:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299201 Need to look at the IRS laws- Churches will lose their exempt status if they engage in any partisan political activity. Need to look at the IRS laws- Churches will lose their exempt status if they engage in any partisan political activity.

]]> By: FLDemFem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299044 FLDemFem Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:47:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299044 You don't have to chose your corporation, you can become your own corporation. I have a corporation, an LLC, that includes my horse farm, etc. So I am a corporation. Not a big one, but under the new ruling, I can, in my corporate guise, run ads for candidates that cost more than is allowed for individual donations. So can you. You don’t have to chose your corporation, you can become your own corporation. I have a corporation, an LLC, that includes my horse farm, etc. So I am a corporation. Not a big one, but under the new ruling, I can, in my corporate guise, run ads for candidates that cost more than is allowed for individual donations. So can you.

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299039 Katmoon Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:41:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299039 I have no idea why the triple post, so sorry. I have no idea why the triple post, so sorry.

]]> By: Ferd Berfle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299038 Ferd Berfle Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:41:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299038 I don't think ANY collection of individuals is a person. Assume for the sake of argument that a draft is needed. Should we draft an entire corporation? Silly isn't it? But then, you've defined the collective as an individual, which means they are subject collectively to a draft. Sorry, but the definition requires it. Hell, simply look beyond the legal gobbledegook to fundamental issues of grammar and logic. Defining down as up does not mean that the laws of physics change and you won't still fall if you step off the precipice. This is an issue that goes to the foundation of the transfer of information from one person to another, i.e., communication. I don’t think ANY collection of individuals is a person. Assume for the sake of argument that a draft is needed. Should we draft an entire corporation? Silly isn’t it? But then, you’ve defined the collective as an individual, which means they are subject collectively to a draft. Sorry, but the definition requires it.

Hell, simply look beyond the legal gobbledegook to fundamental issues of grammar and logic. Defining down as up does not mean that the laws of physics change and you won’t still fall if you step off the precipice. This is an issue that goes to the foundation of the transfer of information from one person to another, i.e., communication.

]]> By: Patience http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299036 Patience Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299036 I voted for McCain.  But I thought it was beyond ironic that he ended up facing an opponent who went on to make history by spending the most of ANY presidential candidate before him.     This fact alone was a simple illustration of the ineffectiveness of McCain-Feingold.  It's undoubtedly poor legislation.     I've stated here a few times that I support public campaign financing with no loopholes whatsoever, and no other money allowed.  I don't think it will ever happen, for various reasons.  Even if it did, the FEC is obviously so inept an enforcer that campaign finance laws would likely still be flouted.     After the court's ruling the other day, I've been giving the subject more thought.  To be honest, I really wouldn't like it if, in the last election, Obama -- who I didn't support -- got as much public funding as McCain, who I did.  Public financing would prevent me from only supporting candidates I favor.       Bottom line -- I'm not so certain of the best solution anymore I voted for McCain.  But I thought it was beyond ironic that he ended up facing an opponent who went on to make history by spending the most of ANY presidential candidate before him.  
 
This fact alone was a simple illustration of the ineffectiveness of McCain-Feingold.  It’s undoubtedly poor legislation.  
 
I’ve stated here a few times that I support public campaign financing with no loopholes whatsoever, and no other money allowed.  I don’t think it will ever happen, for various reasons.  Even if it did, the FEC is obviously so inept an enforcer that campaign finance laws would likely still be flouted.  
 
After the court’s ruling the other day, I’ve been giving the subject more thought.  To be honest, I really wouldn’t like it if, in the last election, Obama — who I didn’t support — got as much public funding as McCain, who I did.  Public financing would prevent me from only supporting candidates I favor.    
 
Bottom line — I’m not so certain of the best solution anymore

]]> By: Patience http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299033 Patience Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:33:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299033 I voted for McCain.  But I thought it was beyond ironic that he ended up facing an opponent who went on to make history by spending the most of ANY presidential candidate before. This fact alone was a simple illustration of the ineffectiveness of McCain-Feingold.  It's undoubtedly poor legislation. I've stated here a few times that I support public campaign financing with no loopholes whatsoever, and no other money allowed.  I don't think it will ever happen, for various reasons.  Even if it did, the FEC is obviously so inept an enforcer that campaign finance laws would likely still be flouted. After the court's ruling the other day, I've been giving the subject more thought.  To be honest, I really wouldn't like it if, in the last election, Obama -- who I didn't support -- got as much public funding as McCain, who I did.  Public financing would prevent me from only supporting candidates I favor.   Bottom line -- I'm not so certain of the best solution anymore. I voted for McCain.  But I thought it was beyond ironic that he ended up facing an opponent who went on to make history by spending the most of ANY presidential candidate before.

This fact alone was a simple illustration of the ineffectiveness of McCain-Feingold.  It’s undoubtedly poor legislation.

I’ve stated here a few times that I support public campaign financing with no loopholes whatsoever, and no other money allowed.  I don’t think it will ever happen, for various reasons.  Even if it did, the FEC is obviously so inept an enforcer that campaign finance laws would likely still be flouted.

After the court’s ruling the other day, I’ve been giving the subject more thought.  To be honest, I really wouldn’t like it if, in the last election, Obama — who I didn’t support — got as much public funding as McCain, who I did.  Public financing would prevent me from only supporting candidates I favor.  

Bottom line — I’m not so certain of the best solution anymore.

]]> By: AC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299031 AC Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:27:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299031 Nice find Katmoon. Note for devilish above     Can a collective/corporation take a shower?  No! <strong>Now I feel clean--I am a person!</strong> Nice find Katmoon.
Note for devilish above
    Can a collective/corporation take a shower?  No!

Now I feel clean–I am a person!

]]> By: Sassy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299030 Sassy Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:26:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299030 Too political? Would that apply to the van and bus loads who were transported to the caucuses? Too political?
Would that apply to the van and bus loads who were transported to the caucuses?

]]> By: AC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299029 AC Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:25:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299029 Nice find Katmoon-now I feel clean--I am a person! Nice find Katmoon-now I feel clean–I am a person!

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299028 Katmoon Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:20:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299028 Sorry that last Guest was me, I forget, that my name doesn't stay in the space provided, sorry. :-[ Sorry that last Guest was me, I forget, that my name doesn’t stay in the space provided, sorry. :-[

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299027 Anonymous Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:20:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299027 This one is really in detail: A natural citizen cannot be an artificial person at the same time. This is from a grammar point of view on the Collective Entity Doctrine; worth the read. http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Research/CollEntityRule.htm This one is really in detail: A natural citizen cannot be an artificial person at the same time. This is from a grammar point of view on the Collective Entity Doctrine; worth the read.
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Research/CollEntityRule.htm

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299024 Katmoon Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:13:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299024 Interesting take on the 5th, for Corporations: Petitioner, Appellant, v. UNITED STATES, "The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person "shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." U.S. Const. amend V. "The word 'witness' in the constitutional text limits the relevant category of compelled incriminating communications to those that are 'testimonial' in character." United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 34 (2000). A corporation does not enjoy the privilege against self-incrimination guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment, as the privilege is a personal privilege enjoyed by natural individuals.  (explaining that the "constitutional privilege against self-incrimination is essentially a personal one, applying only to natural individuals"). http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=1st&navby=docket&no=052193 Interesting take on the 5th, for Corporations:

Petitioner, Appellant,

v.

UNITED STATES,
“The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” U.S. Const. amend V. “The word ‘witness’ in the constitutional text limits the relevant category of compelled incriminating communications to those that are ‘testimonial’ in character.” United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 34 (2000). A corporation does not enjoy the privilege against self-incrimination guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment, as the privilege is a personal privilege enjoyed by natural individuals.  (explaining that the “constitutional privilege against self-incrimination is essentially a personal one, applying only to natural individuals”).

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=1st&navby=docket&no=052193

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41146/new-rule-one-corporation-lots-of-votes/#comment-1299023 Katmoon Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:13:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41146#comment-1299023 Interesting take on the 5th, for Corporations: Petitioner, Appellant, v. UNITED STATES, "The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person "shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." U.S. Const. amend V. "The word 'witness' in the constitutional text limits the relevant category of compelled incriminating communications to those that are 'testimonial' in character." United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 34 (2000). A corporation does not enjoy the privilege against self-incrimination guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment, as the privilege is a personal privilege enjoyed by natural individuals.  (explaining that the "constitutional privilege against self-incrimination is essentially a personal one, applying only to natural individuals"). http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=1st&navby=docket&no=052193 Interesting take on the 5th, for Corporations:

Petitioner, Appellant,

v.

UNITED STATES,
“The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” U.S. Const. amend V. “The word ‘witness’ in the constitutional text limits the relevant category of compelled incriminating communications to those that are ‘testimonial’ in character.” United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 34 (2000). A corporation does not enjoy the privilege against self-incrimination guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment, as the privilege is a personal privilege enjoyed by natural individuals.  (explaining that the “constitutional privilege against self-incrimination is essentially a personal one, applying only to natural individuals”).

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=1st&navby=docket&no=052193

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