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Updates on Georgia Crisis + John McCain’s Latest Detailed Statement [Update]

UPDATE: President Bush is speaking to the nation at 5:15 p.m ET regarding this crisis.

A list of all of our stories on this crisis, and NoQuarter’s own views, can be found at the end of this post.

OF NOTE: To its great credit, Memeorandum.com continues to place the stories of this crisis at the top of its site. ALSO: The McLaughlin Group discussed this story in detail; read its transcript (podcast not yet available).

tth110101cc385_381489a.jpgAmong those stories is this heart-rending title: We helped in Iraq – now help us, beg Georgians from the Times UK, which offers great background and timeline features. From the UKTimes story:

As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?”

A similar sense of betrayal coursed through the conversations of many Georgians here yesterday as their troops retreated under shellfire and the Russian Army pressed forward to take full control of South Ossetia. …

Google News’s latest? Georgia Asks China for Help with Russia.” Great.

A pre-publication update: 170 Americans are being evacuated from Georgia, via CNN.

Ace of Spades HQ has more (“Turns out this Georgian adventure isn’t just about some nominal Russians in South Ossetia but a much larger goal…the removal of a democratically elected government that is too friendly with the west and not nearly servile enough to Russia.“).

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STATEMENT BY JOHN MCCAIN ON THE CRISIS IN GEORGIA

For Immediate Release

Contact: Press Office | Monday, August 11, 2008 | 703-650-5550

ARLINGTON, VA — Today, in Erie, Pennsylvania, U.S. Senator John McCain delivered the following statement regarding the current conflict between Georgia and Russia:

“Americans wishing to spend August vacationing with their families or watching the Olympics may wonder why their newspapers and television screens are filled with images of war in the small country of Georgia. Concerns about what occurs there might seem distant and unrelated to the many other interests America has around the world. And yet Russian aggression against Georgia is both a matter of urgent moral and strategic importance to the United States of America.

“Georgia is an ancient country, at the crossroads of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and one of the world’s first nations to adopt Christianity as an official religion. After a brief period of independence following the Russian revolution, the Red Army forced Georgia to join the Soviet Union in 1922. As the Soviet Union crumbled at the end of the Cold War, Georgia regained its independence in 1991, but its early years were marked by instability, corruption, and economic crises.

“Following fraudulent parliamentary elections in 2003, a peaceful, democratic revolution took place, led by the U.S.-educated lawyer Mikheil Saakashvili. The Rose Revolution changed things dramatically and, following his election, President Saakashvili embarked on a series of wide-ranging and successful reforms. I’ve met with President Saakashvili many times, including during several trips to Georgia.

“What the people of Georgia have accomplished in terms of democratic governance, a Western orientation, and domestic reform is nothing short of remarkable. That makes Russia’s recent actions against the Georgians all the more alarming. In the face of Russian aggression, the very existence of independent Georgia and the survival of its democratically-elected government are at stake.

“In recent days Moscow has sent its tanks and troops across the internationally recognized border into the Georgian region of South Ossetia. Statements by Moscow that it was merely aiding the Ossetians are belied by reports of Russian troops in the region of Abkhazia, repeated Russian bombing raids across Georgia, and reports of a de facto Russian naval blockade of the Georgian coast. Whatever tensions and hostilities might have existed between Georgians and Ossetians, they in no way justify Moscow’s path of violent aggression. Russian actions, in clear violation of international law, have no place in 21st century Europe.

“The implications of Russian actions go beyond their threat to the territorial integrity and independence of a democratic Georgia. Russia is using violence against Georgia, in part, to intimidate other neighbors such as Ukraine for choosing to associate with the West and adhering to Western political and economic values. As such, the fate of Georgia should be of grave concern to Americans and all people who welcomed the end of a divided of Europe, and the independence of former Soviet republics. The international response to this crisis will determine how Russia manages its relationships with other neighbors. We have other important strategic interests at stake in Georgia, especially the continued flow of oil through the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which Russia attempted to bomb in recent days; the operation of a critical communication and trade route from Georgia through Azerbaijan and Central Asia; and the integrity an d influence of NATO, whose members reaffirmed last April the territorial integrity, independence, and sovereignty of Georgia.

“Yesterday Georgia withdrew its troops from South Ossetia and offered a ceasefire. The Russians responded by bombing the civilian airport in Georgia’s capital, Tblisi, and by stepping up its offensive in Abkhazia. This pattern of attack appears aimed not at restoring any status quo ante in South Ossetia, but rather at toppling the democratically elected government of Georgia. This should be unacceptable to all the democratic countries of the world, and should draw us together in universal condemnation of Russian aggression.

“Russian President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin must understand the severe, long-term negative consequences that their government’s actions will have for Russia’s relationship with the U.S. and Europe. It is time we moved forward with a number of steps.

“The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory. We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion.

“NATO’s North Atlantic Council should convene in emergency session to demand a ceasefire and begin discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO’s future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation. NATO’s decision to withhold a Membership Action Plan for Georgia might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia, and I urge the NATO allies to revisit the decision.

“The Secretary of State should begin high-level diplomacy, including visiting Europe, to establish a common Euro-Atlantic position aimed at ending the war and supporting the independence of Georgia. With the same aim, the U.S. should coordinate with our partners in Germany, France, and Britain, to seek an emergency meeting of the G-7 foreign ministers to discuss the current crisis. The visit of French President Sarkozy to Moscow this week is a welcome expression of transatlantic activism.

“Working with allied partners, the U.S. should immediately consult with the Ukrainian government and other concerned countries on steps to secure their continued independence. This is particularly important as a number of Russian Black Sea fleet vessels currently in Georgian territorial waters are stationed at Russia’s base in the Ukrainian Crimea.

“The U.S. should work with Azerbaijan and Turkey, and other interested friends, to develop plans to strengthen the security of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline.

“The U.S. should send immediate economic and humanitarian assistance to help mitigate the impact the invasion has had on the people of Georgia.

“Our united purpose should be to persuade the Russian government to cease its attacks, withdraw its troops, and enter into negotiations with Georgia. We must remind Russia’s leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world. World history is often made in remote, obscure countries. It is being made in Georgia today. It is the responsibility of the leading nations of the world to ensure that history continues to be a record of humanity’s progress toward respecting the values and security of free people.

“Thank you.”

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OF NOTE: While this blog does not, and has no plans to, endorse John McCain for president, we continue to be impressed with his in-depth knowledge of the crisis in Georgia, and how very important it is to distinguish his statements from the single, vague statement by Barack Obama that any ignorant public relations person could have cobbled together!

On Sunday, we published “WHAT THEY’RE SAYING: John McCain “Prescient” On Russia And Putin.” On Saturday, Larry Johnson wrote “Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor” — a must-read — and we have also published LisaB’s report, ““From Milk Toast Internationalist to Brave McCain-Like Warrior. . . In under 24 hours.,” “,” Saturday’s “John McCain’s Second Statement on the Crisis in Georgia,” and Friday’s original report, “McCain on Crisis in Georgia [Updates].”

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that if Barack Obama were on vacation when that 3AM call came, he wouldn’t cut his vacation short.

    So basically, he made a noncommital comment about this crises and continues to body surf.

  • Darryl

    oh nice. Very detailed and historically accurate. Nice.

  • lute

    They’d get his voice mail.

  • RepublicanChick

    Hi Uppity!

    I doubt the man would answer a 3AM call from his “typical white grandmother” let alone a call regarding a national crisis.

    We can only judge the man by the way he reacts and handles situations in the public eye. It isn’t like we have much of a legislative record to browse and make judgement calls.

    Thank you Senator McCain!

  • RepublicanChick

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24163970-663,00.html

    I would love to hear Uppity or any other bloggers opinion about Michelle Obama trumping Hillary Clinton. (That is the title of the article by the way!)

    If you want to ensure more votes for McCain, let Michelle talk in prime time. Wow!

  • guido in florida

    t’s 3 AM in Hawaii and Obama gets the call from Axelrod telling him that Russia has invaded Georgia and that they have to have a press release. “Dave, tell the press I have it under control, I personally called Sonny Purdue about 30 minutes ago and told him to put the Georgia National Guard on Alert”!!

  • Johnny Xerox

    Is this the statement that he lifted parts of from wiki?

  • Whodatguy??

    Don’t worry…in Obama’s view the “world will come together as one” to solve this “little” problem.

    Hey…”the world” did it before, right?

  • RepublicanChick

    Bad guido! LOL! Funny, but probably not too far off from reality.

  • Darryl

    Why is everything in Italics now?

  • EJ in PA

    Obama, I mean Soetero, will probably send the following statement regarding the Georgia Crisis via text message: “Whatever.”

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    They had better have her mem’rize that speech. Believe me, they don’t want that miserable woman speaking impromptu. Far as I’m concerned she can play “Trump” all she wants. On november 5 she will be on her way– along with her husband and this whole Axelrod media creation–to becoming a trivia question in the future. In the meantime, hopefully she won’t get her ass slapped after she’s done speaking. I don’t plan to listen to her OR her husband.

  • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

    It would seem Russia is demonstrating to any allies of the West in the region that we cannot help or protect them. 5th emergency session of SEC and NOTHING..

    This is why the UN isnt the be all and end all of everything contrary to what Obummer tells everyone. Not all the world wants to hold hands and sing.

  • RepublicanChick

    I was wondering the same thing. LOL!

  • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

    It would seem Russia is demonstrating to any allies of the West in the region that we cannot help or protect them. 5th emergency session of SEC Council and NOTHING..

    This is why the UN isnt the be all and end all of everything contrary to what Obummer tells everyone. Not all the world wants to hold hands and sing.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    I personally called Sonny Purdue about 30 minutes ago and told him to put the Georgia National Guard on Alert”!!

    OMG!ROFLLLLLLLLL!

  • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

    grrrg MEchelle Soetero has NOTHING on our Hillary..

    NONE of my family and friends plan to watch MEchelle. We are tuning in for Hillary and Big Dawg, that’s it…

  • standard

    Although McCain’s content is more in-depth than any I’ve seen, I still do not feel like there has been sufficient detail on this attack.
    Exactly what prompted the Russians to go in suddenly at this time?
    Was there a prior incident? Or did they just grunt and attack.
    It looks like the Georgia miliatary was already fighting.
    All these loose ends.

  • http://deleted Hope

    When confronted with McCain’s in depth anaylisis of the Russian/Georgian conflict (meaning George Clooney filled him in on pertinent facts), Obama replied,”Can’t I just finish my vacation?”, he then mumbled something about waffles.
    After all, he did bring the press with him when he used Grandma for the photo op..what more do you[bitter, white] people want from him?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Human error. I can’t believe I made an error. Corrected now.

  • propertius

    I hate to admit it, but McCain’s analysis is right on the money – including the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyha pipeline. Not only does this attack expose the weakness of NATO, but it also threatens one of the EU’s major lifelines. Meanwhile, Congress is on vacation, Bush is watching volleyball, and the Pesumpt(ive/uous) Democratic God-King is doing who-knows-what in Hawaii. It’s a “3AM moment” and everyone except McCain hit the snooze button. Obama doesn’t seem to have the slightest clue about what’s at stake here. Perhaps he should’ve convened at least one meeting of the European Affairs subcommittee, after all.

    I still think Georgia made a serious miscalculation when they threatened reunite South Ossetia by force – perhaps if we’d been a bit more forthcoming with intelligence information, they would’ve known that the Soviets were preparing to use this as a pretext for invasion.

    Can we have Hillary now? Please?

  • KenNOhio

    “Mr. Obama, the Russians have just invaded Georgia.”

    “Don’t worry we still have 56 states left.”

  • tzada

    agreed

  • The Real Hope

    Where’s the idiot Barack’s statement regarding Georgia?
    Maybe he can go there and look for his birth certificate too. As far as he understands geopolitics, he’s probably convinced that Georgia is a global community still a satellite of the USSR.

  • helen

    I have never really thought about a combined republican -democratic ticket before.
    When kerry talked about mccain as vice president, I did not really believe he was serious.
    With this Russian attack on Georgia, competence is more important than party.
    God knows what this attack will cause.
    It is time for a mccain-clinton or a clinton-mccain ticket.
    America needs the best at this time. So does the world.

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • AF catfish

    What would Hillary do here? This is so humiliating, never in my life did I think I’d hear bombed civilians saying “where is the U.S.? Where is NATO?”

  • tillthen

    I sho do wish Cap’n Butler were here to help Barky with the war. Do ya thank Atlanta will fall?

    Tara? WTF is Barky doin’ thar? Oh, Waikikii. Sorry.

  • EmptyCheapSuit

    He doesn’t need the people or the work. He only needs the checks as he told Rendell. Why would he stop a war in a country full of white catholics?
    He has no idea what he is doing. God save us.

  • propertius

    The Security Council can’t do anything about this – Russia is a permanent member and thus has a veto (just like us).

  • fred

    More Repubs Support McCain Than Dems Obama
    Today’s Rasmussen daily tracking poll has 80% of
    Democrats supporting Obama and 87% of Republicans supporting McCain. There are still a healthy number of undecideds. This conflicts with the stream of media reports that Obamacons, evangelicals, black conservatives and independents are flocking to Obama
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • The Real Hope

    I saw her yesterday on C-Span speaking before military families. She looked increasingly uncomfortable and did alot of hemming and hawing in between sentences. She’s just plain unprofessional.

  • The Real Hope

    Uppity
    Now doesn’t this sound like Bush reading the pet goat book while the Towers were under attack???!! We’ve got another do-nothing idiot!! God help us all!

  • EmptyCheapSuit

    Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?”

    Because Nancy and her gang are on Vacation paid by people’s tax dollars !
    Oh, and the person responsible for NATO committee meetings is gone to Hawaii to get a phony birth certificate. In fact he’s never held a single meeting! Call up London. Maybe you’ll have better success with them?

  • I Will Remember in November

    Great statement! Until i read mccain’s statement i was not clear how russia, south ossetia and georgia fit together, but i do now. That is what a political official should do educate and then legislate. I remember bill clinton was very good at that. Some thought it might have been too wonkish but i think it shows a clear and good grasp of a particular subject matter. Hillary has that as well. Oh what cuold be….

    PUMA

  • EmptyCheapSuit

    57 is the the number of Islamic countries that support terrorism! 57 out of over 100.

  • Bridgette

    Oh how I fear an Obama presidency! :S

  • Vonay

    NOw now Obamabi can’t be bothered when he’s on vacation.

  • guido in florida

    It’s 3:15AM and Obambi calls David A. back and says ” I just got off the phone with Sonny Purdue again to remind him that some of our biggest campaign donors reside in Rafah, Ga. and that both they and our teeshirts have to be preserved at all costs.”

  • Bye bye Obambi

    LOL!

  • http://confloyd connie floyd

    Exactly why aren’t we helping those people, they helped us after 9-11, so what the hell are we doing letting them go it alone. If this were Israel, we would have already been there (I hope), so up with Mr. BUsh??
    People are dying and we are not helping, could it be its an election year and the pukes don’t want to get us involved in another WAR. When are we going to start running country according to what needs to be done instead of what is politically correct for the power thats in office or the power that wants to be in office??

  • RepublicanChick

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonsU2B16_0

    McCain’s new ad “Fan Club”

    I love it!

  • Obama/Clinton 2008

    McCain’s response was that of a high school kid getting info off of wikipedia.org

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html

  • The Real Hope

    I do question the voluntary “adoption” theory of Christianity by the native “Georgians” during the 4th Century as it came by pressure of the Roman Empire. Seems these poor “Georgians” have been dealt repeated, hard blows for thousands of years now as they’ve failed to maintain their independence because of the constant takeovers by various marauding/warring powers. Very sad for them indeed. I appreciate John McCain’s very thoughtful statement though. He’s much more presidential than Barfo.

  • The Real Hope

    For shame Susan! :)

  • imustprotest

    OMG!!! That is the best! I love the Taco Bell part….hmm…anyone else have the munchies?

  • roseeriter

    Susan, don’t start slipping now,,lol!

  • The Real Hope

    Yes while he rolls his own tobacco and writes his memoirs.

  • roseeriter

    I think that would be a good way to bring some real unity too.

  • The Real Hope

    Wait a minute…sorry I stand corrected.

  • The Real Hope

    I think alot of us feel fear at the prospects of an Obama presidency. We don’t know where he’s going to lead us or how far he’s going to sell us out. He’s no friend to American really.

  • EyesOpen

    This statement is excellent. It takes us through a brief history of this region to understand why it is so critical peace is restored; how to restore peace through leveraging international coalitions such as NATO. His communication to the American people is already beyond the competence of Bush’s administration as it related to Iraq; and Obama’s communication is glaringly lightweight. GO John!!

  • Joseyj

    Sooooo??
    McCain provided historical info to the public – it’s more than Obama has done.

  • simanov

    Top Secret Obama Training Video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6ohMY0eNY

  • Anon22

    Oh, this is fucking PRECIOUS:

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html

    A Wikipedia editor notices some similarities between Sen. John McCain’s speech today on the crisis in Georgia and the Wikipedia article on the country Georgia. They appear similar enough that most people would consider parts of McCain’s speech to be derived directly from Wikipedia.

    McCain’s latest detailed statement on the crisis in Georgia: courtesy of anonymous Wikipedia editors.

  • simanov

    Obama paid MoveOn ‘credit card fees’ of $18,000 because they ‘processed campaign contributions’ for the Obama campaign. When did MoveOn become a bank or a finance company? Was Obama REIMBURSING MoveOn for their cost to process contributions for the Obama campaign? Why would Obama do this unless MoveOn was giving the contributions to his campaign? They cannot legally give money to Obama. It appears they did.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/obama-moving-on.html

  • AF catfish

    CBS:

    August 11, 2008, 8:00 AM

    (HONOLULU) Barack Obama worked out with his wife and toured some favorite local spots on the second day of his weeklong vacation.

  • bemused

    Well, the author goes on to talk about officially crowning the One. That says a lot. Michelle will never trump Hillary speaking, for sure, no matter how much she practices. If I said, not as much soul, I’m sure I’d be called racist, so I’ll just say, Hillary’s conviction is infectious. And, Hillary is speaking after she does (next day). The last person speaking is usually the one remembered best.

  • Joseyj

    Oh – but Biden said Obama didn’t need to conduct a hearing because THAT sub-committee doesn’t meet. Apparently, it’s just a bogus sub-committee?
    During a debate, a moderator mentioned Biden’s long ago racial slurs. Obama jumped in and assured the public Biden wasn’t a racist. Sweet.
    But Obama never had the guts to confess his campaign’s racist charges against the Clintons were false.

    Dems for McCain – NO Hussein!

  • Peggy Sue

    Or he’d text message instructions in.

    You could not make this stuff up. The tragic part is it’s real and this loon movement wants the White House.

    If we have continuing international conflict in fall, Obama is truly toast. There’s no way he can compete with McCain on national security issues. Hillary could have held her own. But not “The One.”

    You can feel things shifting even now on the blogs, web news outlets and even the MSM [always the last ones to get it].

    Amazing!

  • Joseyj

    >>>>Oh, and the person responsible for NATO committee meetings is gone to Hawaii….In fact he’s never held a single meeting!

    Obama is chairman of a NATO sub-committee – which Biden claims never meets. Apparently all the business is conducted via the NATO committee.
    But still – you’d think Chairman Obama would have issued some kind of statement since Jan. 07.
    I wonder how his Repub counterpart handled his/her role as chairman of the same sub-committee.

  • http://! Buzz Latte

    Same here.

  • Mydress
  • Joseyj

    LOL – good one!

  • james

    You mean to say, we owe it to Georgia to help them with their invasion and occupation of South Ossetia, because they helped us with our invasion and occupation of Iraq?

  • http://democratsforrealchange.info Dr. bobbi Anne White

    The State dept would like everyone to believe that it was Russia that started this. However, eyewitness reports suggest otherwise and that it was Georgia who was the aggressor. Saakasvilli is a George Soros controlled puppet, as is Obama.

  • james

    What you’re suggesting, after all, is that we should go to war with Russia.

  • james

    Georgian troops invaded South Ossetia. They launched a rocket and heavy artillary bombardment that killed 1,600 South Ossetian civilians over a day and a night. They had taken control of two-thirds of South Ossetia before Russian troops entered the area and forced them to retreat. Not everyone views Russia as the aggressor. The South Ossetians certainly don’t.

  • Zeke

    He missed a big chance there by not calling Ted Turner in to mitigate. They could’ve moved the DNC to Atlanta to be closer to the action.

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    I have to say, McCain “sounds Presidential.”

    Will Barack text message his latest comments on this grave situation? You know, because that’s “hip,” and what the “cool kids” or is it “kewl kidz” do?

    I know he’s flipped and flopped at least once on this matter.

  • james

    There’s nothing “in depth” about John McCain’s analysis. This situation is far more complex than the simplistic picture he paints, which essentially results from the application of an outdated 20th Century Cold War world view to the greatly changed borders and geopolitics of the early 21st Century.

    McCain is apparently still operating under the influence of the old Russia vs. Western Democracy paradigm. That one has been obsolete for a while now.

  • Ferdberfle

    A Russian is still a Russian and Putin is still in charge, in spite of the election. The New Russia is the Old Russia–authoritarian.

  • Observer

    Even then, Georgia is a democracy and is America’s ally. We should help defend them against Russian dictatorship.

  • Hope Floats

    If the Whitey Tape ever sees the light of day, the Dems are going to look incredibly foolish this fall.

  • Darryl

    You mean the high school that you failed in.

  • Observer

    *Shakes head*

    What a lazy bum! When the world is in a crisis, what does that phony do? Go on vacation!

  • kcfromtx

    He’s completely tuned in to the situation. He’s listening to Georgia on My Mind on his Ipod. Tonight he will listen to Midnight Train to Georgia and From Russia With Love. Whichever song comes up first on his shuffle will be the country he supports.

  • james

    No, he provided an over-simplified, distorted view of the situation, depicting Russia as the sole aggressor, while totally ignoring the fact that Georgia had triggered the Russian response by invading South Ossetia–killing 1,600 South Ossetian civilians by rocket and heavy artillary bombardment in the process.

    He provided the American people with a dangerous misunderstanding.

    He also called for NATO involvement, which might have scored political points at home, but did so at the expense increasing tensions with Russia. The Russians are understandably nervous about NATO.

    This was all quite irresponsible, in my view. John shouldn’t be playing national politics with a dangerous international situation.

  • Postmaster

    you’re right….Michelle Obama cannot even begin to measure up to Hillary Clinton, not in inteligence, not in grace and certainly not in class. And btw, did I mention I’m a republican?

  • Karma

    “The wives of Democratic nominees have traditionally addressed the convention but Ms Obama is the first to be given headline and prime-time status.”

    Ugh….There is nothing that she can say to unring that ‘proud of America’ bell.

    Anything she says about America in a positive way will be perceived as lies.

    Anything negative they say about America will have to be smeared with Bush/McCain all over it. Which won’t come off as well as she thinks to the people who are left undecided.

    The political wives generally are left to give props to America while introducing their husbands. Not smear the opposition.

    They are fools to have this set-up. Hillary and Bill know how to speak to millions.

    Michelle can barely manage a campaign stop without sticking her foot into it.

  • Hope Floats

    Considering John McCain has already given several consistent statements on the situation, perhaps he had to dumb it down for those who think we’re trying to instigate ww3. Face it, McCain has been to Waziristan and South Ossetia, and he’s very comfortable with these issues. He knows what he thinks. He’s been in contact with the leaders involved in these places for many, many years. And so the question is each time something like this pops up randomly, we may see a cautiousness on the on the one hand by Obama who has not been dealing with these things for years and maybe a little more aggressive voice from McCain. Vladimir Putin is throwing Russia’s weight around and taking advantage of a weak sitting President, and McCain has always kept in mind who Putin is and where he comes from. The world is not full of nice people.

  • Postmaster

    perhaps you should run for president since you are so much more aware of what is going on, ya think?

  • Hope Floats

    And if the Senate won’t trust Obama to hold meetings and exercise the NATO oversight he supposedly has, how is he qualified to be POTUS?

  • james

    Right. We should stand up for the Georgians against Russia, a major nuclear power. In spite of the fact that the Russians were only resonding to the Georgian invasion of a disputed territory directly on the Russian’s own border.

    If ever there was a situation that had FOR GODSAKE, KEEP THE HELL OUT! written all over it, this one would surely be it.

    This isn’t Georgian democracy resisting Russian dictatorship. This is more like Georgia crushing the independence of an ethnic group in some territory they’d like to claim as their own. They tried to take it by force and Russia ran them off and slapped them down. We shouldn’t encourage them to try it again.

  • Karma

    Yeah….it’s obsolete!

    Since Russia no longer murders dissents…has missile displays….or practice long range bombing runs near America.

    That is a cold war paradigm.

    Oh wait….nevermind….they still do all of those things…lol.

    And we are supposed to be the low-information voters. You would think the Obama supporters might actually read the news beyond the Obama articles.

  • james

    A comparison was being made between Obama’s silence on the South Ossetia situation and John McCain’s insightful, decisively presidential pronouncement. So I felt compelled to point out that McCain doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. It doesn’t take an expert to figure that out. Only a few minutes studying up on the situation.

    You don’t have to be an expert to know when somebody else isn’t. You don’t have to aspire to be a doctor to know when somebody else isn’t qualified to perform surgery.

  • Karma

    Psst…The history of a country doesn’t change.

    Those same facts can be found at the CIA world book.

    And McCain’s response wan’t a just few sentences long.

  • Karma

    oops should be…’CIA world factbook’

  • steven Mather

    James,

    i recommend that you visit Charles Lemos’ By the Fault. He provides all sorts of excellent links about the conflict as well as some insightful analysis.

    One point you miss is the numerous provocations that Russia used to bait the Georgians. For example, they gave the South Ossetians Russian passports, which is almost a declaration that South Ossetia is Russian territory.

    I am not a McCain supporter, but, if, as he recommended in 2006, a force other than Russia had the peacekeeping duties in South Ossetia, it is likely that the situation would be substantively different.

    SM

  • james

    Judging by the president we’ve had lately, I guess I’ll have to agree with you there: McCain’s misguided policy statement on The Crisis in Georgia sounds decidedly presidential.

  • Donna Brazile

    Could you explain the misguided part?

    Stop the hate!

  • Smells like McGovern

    “In recent days Moscow has sent its tanks and troops across the internationally recognized border into the Georgian region of South Ossetia. Statements by Moscow that it was merely aiding the Ossetians are belied by reports of Russian troops in the region of Abkhazia, repeated Russian bombing raids across Georgia, and reports of a de facto Russian naval blockade of the Georgian coast. Whatever tensions and hostilities might have existed between Georgians and Ossetians, they in no way justify Moscow’s path of violent aggression. Russian actions, in clear violation of international law, have no place in 21st century Europe.

    snip“Working with allied partners, the U.S. should immediately consult with the Ukrainian government and other concerned countries on steps to secure their continued independence. This is particularly important as a number of Russian Black Sea fleet vessels currently in Georgian territorial waters are stationed at Russia’s base in the Ukrainian Crimea.

    “The U.S. should work with Azerbaijan and Turkey, and other interested friends, to develop plans to strengthen the security of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline.

    “The U.S. should send immediate economic and humanitarian assistance to help mitigate the impact the invasion has had on the people of Georgia.

    “Our united purpose should be to persuade the Russian government to cease its attacks, withdraw its troops, and enter into negotiations with Georgia. We must remind Russia’s leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world. World history is often made in remote, obscure countries. It is being made in Georgia today. It is the responsibility of the leading nations of the world to ensure that history continues to be a record of humanity’s progress toward respecting the values and security of free people.

    “Thank you.”

    I didn’t see this part of the statement on Wiki.

  • SirScud

    The reverend Moon and his propaganda organ The Washington Times seems to fit perfectly with the dissemblers and airheads that frequent this silly excuse for a blog.
    Hi Larry! Still practicing “the trade” I see.

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    “The Russians are understandably nervous about NATO.” Yes, so much so that they punish the Ukraine for negotiating with NATO by raising their gas prices.

    McCain isn’t looking backwards to the Cold War. He’s looking forward to dealing with Russia as an emerging oil power that also happens to a military power while American hard power diminishes. Russia can and will screw our economy in their own interest. As for Georgia’s actions, McCain is thinking of America’s national interest. He’s not some ‘One World’ pollyanna observing the morality of the invasion. Will Russia act in Georgia like Bush I or Bush II did in Iraq?

  • Karma

    That is all info which is provided by the CIA World Factbook as well.

    And McCain’s statement isn’t four sentences long only covering Georgia’s history.

    However, I will point out the obvious to the trolls about why McCain has similiar statements.

    Because history….DOESN’T CHANGE…unless of course you are Obama…lol.

  • bert

    MO could never trump Hillary, because she will never ever be First Lady.

  • Hope

    As opposed to baby Obambi not doing any research or giving any substative opinion, right? Thanks for sharing.

  • Anon22

    But McCain didn’t pull his text from the CIA world factbook. He pulled it from Wikipedia.

    Fortunately, he’ll never be President, so we won’t have to witness the disaster of a White House in thrall to the contributions of anonymous editors. “President McCain, serious situation developing. HanSolo592, one of our top agents over at the Wikipedia Intelligence Agency, has just reported that the Russians now possess a giant space station with the power to destroy an entire planet!”

  • Anon22

    Obama is behaving like an adult, worrying less about who started it, and more about getting all the contending parties to stand down so negotiations can begin. McCain is, well, McCain. Bellicose, stupid, willingly to engage in strident moralistic rhetoric without the slightest shred of an idea as to what we ought to do about this awful and dangerous situation, and only too eager to politicize what is a grave and serious matter to the people who are now caught up in this war.

    Just one more nail in McCain’s coffin. He’s like Bush, only worse–he hasn’t learned any of the lessons the Bushies have (painfully) learned about America’s not being invincible or all-powerful. Time to turn the foreign policy apparatus of the world’s most powerful country back over to adults like Barack Obama, and keep grumpy children like John McCain far away from any real authority.

  • Rob in Chicago

    James:

    Russia thinks that only Russia is allowed to slap wayward provinces like Chechnya back into line.

  • Karma

    Dude….HISTORY doesn’t change.

    If Wiki and the CIA world factbook have the same FACTS….it’s because they are FACTS.

    And by the way. Your lame and hyperbolic analogy/sarcasm doesn’t include utilizing HISTORY in it so it doesn’t apply.

  • Karma

    Geez…you Obama supporters are dense.

    Zbig, Obama’s advisor has had the biggest hard on for Russia there is.

    He wants to put the full international squeeze on them if they don’t back off this course.

    And that doesn’t include the other plans Zbig has for Russia should Obama take office.

  • Karma

    Obama steals entire policies, unsourced quotes from speeches, slogans, Presidential seals and other visuals, but that is ok….LOL.

    A couple of sentences of facts from McCain…and Obama supporters think they are on to something huge.

  • fif

    Yea, I guess those 20 years on the Armed Services Committee didn’t help McCain prepare, and he needs Wiki as a cheat sheet. Idjiots.

  • bjerryberg

    Be very careful of buying into the anti-Russia hype. This thing is a provocation and a trap. The same media that lied so maliciously against Hillary might lie about that, too, eh?

    The current president of Georgia’s is a British-style neo-con and his rise to power was financed by London’s George Soros’ Open Society Institute. Soros is also the prime financial of Barack Obama.

    A prominent McCain advisor has been the top paid lobbyist for this Soros-installed government.

    Unless you want WWIII, reject both the McCain and Obama flavors of British geo-politics.

  • NoBama

    James stop being a pro-Russian trollmeister.

    The Russians have been instigators in that region for years trying to undermine the democratic government of Georgia. They give passports to S.Ossetians and were just waiting to get into war with Georgia. Their goal is not to protect Ossetia but actually dominate the region and more importantly Ukraine and its 50 mil people who have moved toward democracy and western ties.

    James, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  • mary

    I find it ironic that the McCain Campaign, however well intended, says that “Georgia was one of the first countries to adopt Christianity”! Really?

    The RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH is now alive and well and flourishing in post-communist Russia! some of the most beatiful BYZANTINE CHURCHES AND ICONS are found in Moscow and throughout Russia.

    Let’s not diminish Russian’s Christian Orthodox churches. Leave politics out of religion, please, and vice versa, rather than have a poorly researched Press Release. I thought Sen. McCain’s press people would be more thorough than the gum-chewing juvenile Obamabotic punks hanging around the Remote Control President!

  • bjerryberg

    You are quite right. This Georgian provocation is a British Intelligence operation. The provocateur government of Georgia was installed in power under the auspices of George Soros’ Open Society Institute front.

    The crap about the sanctity of the territorial integrity of Georgia is laughably selective.

    No such sanctity has been accorded the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Sudan, Serbia, Iran or Iraq–when it suited British Imperial interests. Apparently only governments controlled by the City of London financial community are entitled to territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    America made a revolution against this stuff–and lately we forgot why.

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    Georgie standing up and condemning a country for doing less than he, himself, did brought to mind a personal favorite from the youtube archives entitled “Clinton got a “. You can go to Youtube and google it up or you can check it out on my blog. I posted three of the several versions for a small distraction from the insanity we’re experiencing with the new addition to the world of the weird that passes as today’s society.
    Hope it gives you a chuckle and takes you away for at least a few minutes. (Those who support bush may not want to watch it. It also contains some vulgarity and sexual suggestion)

    the blog is at http://purplechiten.wordpress.com

    I wasn’t comfortable sticking the video up here on Larry’s blog because he’s a little more classy than I am and a little less crude.

  • Debbie

    Sing pettition-hit next-next and hit go back to pettition after you had signed it.and then go to top to signutures to see if it has been recorded.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/index.html

    NOOBAM.

  • Debbie

    fight to get Obama’s birth certificate.It’s been months and months he will not come forward =he will not say a word….He hides behind the website to hope that people will help fight the what he calls smear-and really they may not know or what.Wher is all the other documents thatb were requested from Obama.Again he has not said a word.You know msnbc knows this is out..Blind bats!

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/index.html

    MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHEN HIS CAMP FILE TO GET MCCAINS.ISN’T THAT FUNNY?JUST AS HE NEVER PUT OUT HIS FULL TAX RECORDS 1999-2000-2001-2003-2004-2005-2006-2007 2007 I JUST SAW A WRITTEN SUMMARY OF IT.AND NO INFORMATION ON IT BUT HIS BOOK SELL AND HIS SENATE PAY.OK IS THAT A TAX FORM THAT HE FILED.NO IT WAS A HJAND WRITTEN SUMMARY.

  • Debbie

    Donna Brazile Could you explain the misguided part?

    Stop the hate!
    ====================================================No hate here.But you Donna Brazile shows hate all in you voice and face! GET LOST,FIRE YOURSELVE.TAKE YOU BOO WITH YOU.

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    He’s trying to get a better forgery copy while he’s in Hawaii on “vacation”.

  • Gary McGowan

    I have posted some seven quotes and links expanding (agreeing, but not touching on all your points) far below.

    I suppose that all those links have sent it to moderators.

    Unfortunately, my afternoon in Southeast Asia is early in the morning for those of you on the East coast in the USA.

  • CountryFirst

    Sad thing is the US has no power anymore and no moral authority to tell Russia to do anything. The UN is useless and always has been. It should be dismanteled. When the government started cutting our military strength and outsourcing our manufacturing base to foreign sources, they began to weaken this country. For a quarter of my life I’ve watched our government take care of other countries to the detriment of our own. I’m afraid we’re going to reap what we’ve sewn. We are in no place to take on Russia. We helped them recover after the Soviet Union dismantled, now look at them and look at us. I really feel sorry for Georgia, looking to us for help, and we’re helpless.

  • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James (San Jose)

    Um, kiddies BHO is only a junior senator, he can’t even call out the Illinois National Guard to help the Georgians. McCain’s analysis of the events in Georgia are neither brilliant nor even helpful. With the US totally bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan there is next to nothing we as a nation can do.

    The situation in the Caucuses is much more complex than McCain presents it. There is a ungodly mix of people and cultures and old enmities in them thar mountains. Plus somehow every one at this “national security site” managed to forget about next door neighbor Iran. A little more thinking and whole lot less Obama bashing is in order.

    Come on Larry, start thinking about “The Great Game” and “power politics.” Start getting your facts from some place other than Wikipedia or the CIA factbook. There are plenty of scholarly books and articles about Georgia how about siting a few? Less boilerplate; more research please.

  • Gary McGowan

    McRepublican sounds too much like Cheney.

    War.
    War!
    WAR!!!

    I put together a detailed comment with links over an hour ago. It has been sucked into s digital black hole (hasn’t appeared).

    Meanwhile, there are excellent reports on many aspects of this drive toward war at
    larouchepac dot com

  • ziggy

    It’s probably not worth mentioning that Randy Scheunemann, John McCain’s top foreign-policy adviser, was a paid lobbyist for Georgia until last March. Or that he’s still an owner of Orion Strategies, a private lobbying firm that continues to lobby in Washington Georgia.

    Scheunemann is a neocon businessman who pushed hard for the invasion of Iraq. He convinced former Soviet block nations to support that Bush policy, all while making a lot of money representing former Soviet block republics that want to get into NATO.

    So now the guy is McCain’s top foreign policy adviser. No suggestion of conflicts of interest or ulterior motives in any of that, right?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121842762192729075.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  • ziggy

    …that continues to lobby in Washington on behalf of Georgia, I meant to say.

    The point, of course, is that John McCain is under the influence of the same neoconservative forces as George W. Bush. All of the same influences that propelled us into the invasion of Iraq are still around and still at work. There’s the same cabal of private, neoconservative special interests, attempting to turn an election, to guide the policy of the nation, and–as always–to turn a profit, whatever the consequences.

  • ziggy

    Oh, and BTW…

    Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, is a member of Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and was president of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

    Do you know who and what those organizations are, or the parts they played in Bush policy?

    If not, don’t be trying to tell me that McCain wouldn’t be the Third Bush Term until you’ve found out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

  • Gary McGowan

    Randy Scheunemann was one of the founders of the Project on a New American Century (PNAC, created in 1997) which wrote-up the preemptive war against Iraq in 2000, before Bush became president with his “vulcans,” courtesy of George Shultz.

    Scheunemann was also one of the founders of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, involved in the Straussian neocon cabal’s propaganda and intelligence concoctions against Iraq.

    Scheunemann also owns and runs Orion Strategies, LLC, hired in ’04 by a Soros front to help create more chaos in Burma. Open Society Instituteis deeply involved in the current situation in Georgia–Hell, they brought it about.

    Joseph Onek, a key operative for that George Soros Open Society Institute and Open Society Policy Center (“Center” created after 9/11 “to promote public policy reform”) has been Chief Counsel for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi since the beginning of her term, February 2007. With Onek as Chief Counsel, Pelosi is hard-wired into Vice President Dick Cheney’s preemptive war schemes.

    Impeachment off the table? In September ’06, Onek declared, “impeachment would be a foolish case of bad judgment.” He also said that it would be foolish to put the Bush administration up on charges of war crimes, since this would encourage foreign nations to put out warrants on this issue.

    It’s a rat’s nest, and neither McCain or Obama would begin to clean it out.

  • workingclass artist

    Don’t stand near any Ruskieswith umbrellas….
    Good Article. NQ Rocks

  • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

    LOL!! Ditto.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Read John McCain’s thoughtful and detailed statement on the Russian invasion of Georgia carefully. It’s all about working with allies and the rest of the world – together “we” can solve this crisis. Contrast that with Obama’s latest comment (after his first weak, painfully short, and startling call for the parties to resolve their differences – total moral equivalency bs, ignoring the stark power differences between the mighty Russians and tiny Georgia), in which he reiterates “MY” call for the Russians to step down (I paraphrase here). The point is that it’s all about Obama. The Russians had better follow “MY” orders!

    Who in God’s name does he think he is? It reminds me of the day after the last Demoratic primaries, when he demanded that “MY” party (the Democratic Party)would no longer take money from lobbyists (which Obama takes hand over fist, not directly, of course, but in contributions bundled by big law firms representing the lobbyists, lobbyists relatives, etc.)

    What an egomaniac!!

  • TimnotbuyingintoObama.

    http://www.rense.com/general80/d2es.htm

    MY-MY-MY EACH AND EVERYTIME WE TURN AROUND WE HEAR OBAMA BEING BUSH.OBAMA LIES.OBAMA WOULD NOT HELP THE PEOPLE JUST A BIT FOR NO GAS HOLIDAYS-OBAMA WOULD NOT HELP THE PEOPLE IN KEEPING THEIR HOMES.Obama did not help the people in # SS OBAMA WILL LEAVE THE OLDER PEOPLE BEHIND IN SS-THOSE WHO WILL BEOMING F AGE FOR #SS WILL SEE MORE CUTS.OBAMA IS FOR HIS SELF.WHY SHOULD HE WORRY WHEN HE BACKS HIS TAIL UP RIGHT WITH THE WEALTHY COMPANIES WHO WANT TO TAKE ALL WE HAVE TO MAKE THEN A BIG FAT PROFIT.

    BUSH BAILED OUT FANNIE MAE BANK WHEN THEY DIDN’T NEED A BAIL OUT JUST YET..SO WHY DIDN’T THEY BAIL OUT BEAR STERS?MAYBE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACCOUNT OR NO MONEY COMING TO THEM FROM BEAR STERNS.BUT WHY DIDN’T THEY HELP THE PEOPLE LONG AGAO WHEN AND STILL PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES LEFT AND RIGHT.SOME HOMES WERE PAID ON THEIR LOANS FOR MANY TEARS.ALL THAT DOWN THE DRAIN..FANNIE MAE HAS THERE HOMES NOW.SO WHAT DID FANNIE MAE MAY HAVE DONE?BUYING ALL THEIR HOMES AND THEN THE GOVERMENT GAVE THEM MONEY BACK WITH THE MONEY THEY BROUGHT ALL THESE POOR PEOPLES HOMES WHO WERE THROW OUT IN THE COLD BY BUSH .REALLY A PACKAGE TO HELP NOW?SURE AFTER YOU ALL GOT WHAT YOU WANTED ENOUGHT HOMES TAKEN AWAY FOR YOU OWN POCKET MONEY.WHAT LOSERS THE DEMOCRATIC ARE WHO COULD NOT STAND AGAINST BUSH. OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST LOSER OF ALL AND IS A BUSH.

  • haoli-haoli

    The far left’s reflexive nature demands that it take positions diametrically opposed to that of conservatives’, regardless of how clearly rediculous they are.

    This crisis is another perfect example: the left opposing the westward-looking, democracy-loving Georgia in favor of age-old Russian tyranny.

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  • National Security Advisor Michael Moore

    The “far left” as you call them are fairly mainstream.
    We do not like Georgia’s aggression against Russia.
    We do not like that President Mikhail saakashvili
    has decided to make the first viable AA candidate for US President look bad. We do not like him playing the race card this way.

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