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]]> By: FLDemFem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299665 FLDemFem Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:21:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299665 Another thing about that research, which impacts medical care. If the study shows something bad or negative about the product, the company can quash it as "proprietary" and keep doing studies until they get the result they want. And a lot of the time the studies are just "timekeepers" for patents. As long as a drug, for instance, has a study being done on it the company can extend the patent and not have to allow generic versions of the drug. Of course, they can still keep selling it at the higher price too. That higher price is justified by the cost, tax-deductible, of the research, which is being done mostly to keep the generic version off the market. Another thing about that research, which impacts medical care. If the study shows something bad or negative about the product, the company can quash it as “proprietary” and keep doing studies until they get the result they want. And a lot of the time the studies are just “timekeepers” for patents. As long as a drug, for instance, has a study being done on it the company can extend the patent and not have to allow generic versions of the drug. Of course, they can still keep selling it at the higher price too. That higher price is justified by the cost, tax-deductible, of the research, which is being done mostly to keep the generic version off the market.

]]> By: FLDemFem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299663 FLDemFem Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:09:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299663 The way to do that is to go back to actually having the government the Founding Fathers intended instead of this bloated mess we have now. And the best way to do that is<i> not</i> to allow corporations or other sorts of conglomerates to influence the political scene since their interest is not always the same as the peoples'. And the interest of the people should be the highest concern of the government. We can go back to having a government that responds to the peoples' demands. All we have to do is elect the right people. And we will as soon as we get rid of this yo-yo. That is the way this country works, and it's the only way that would be acceptable to any American. The way to do that is to go back to actually having the government the Founding Fathers intended instead of this bloated mess we have now. And the best way to do that is not to allow corporations or other sorts of conglomerates to influence the political scene since their interest is not always the same as the peoples’. And the interest of the people should be the highest concern of the government. We can go back to having a government that responds to the peoples’ demands. All we have to do is elect the right people. And we will as soon as we get rid of this yo-yo. That is the way this country works, and it’s the only way that would be acceptable to any American.

]]> By: Sassy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299408 Sassy Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:32:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299408 Thanks viking! This has been a lively, informative discussion. We all deplore the perpetual splurge of money into the process, but as pointed out by jbjd, a corporation can be a sole proprietor. A butcher, baker, or candlestick maker, who feels victimized by eminent domain, would probably have plenty to say before the reelection of his governor or members of his legislature. Thanks viking!
This has been a lively, informative discussion.
We all deplore the perpetual splurge of money into the process, but as pointed out by jbjd, a corporation can be a sole proprietor.
A butcher, baker, or candlestick maker, who feels victimized by eminent domain, would probably have plenty to say before the reelection of his governor or members of his legislature.

]]> By: viking http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299384 viking Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:35:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299384 sorry for the repeat posts, there was a long time delay, I hit 'post'more than once. sorry for the repeat posts, there was a long time delay, I hit ‘post’more than once.

]]> By: viking http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299383 viking Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:23:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299383 The Citizens United v. FEC decision was correct and needed.  Many of you are falling for a false, red herring, argument about corps being individuals.  That line of thinking entirely misses the point of the opinion, not to mention existing law for well over 100 years. Ferd is the biggest proponent on this thread that I've read that this decision is somehow dreadful to the republic.  He claims this somehow relegates our nation into one that is voted by corporations instead of freely made votes of individuals.  Ferd can only be right if we accept the premise that individual people will be necessarily persuaded by commercial entities and those opinions on candidates, period.   Personally, I have more faith in the voting public. Secondly, but more importantly, it will behoove any corporation to be thoughtful of whom they endorse, given that their consumers will connect the two forevermore.  I suspect that the corps. aren't crazy happy about this ruling at all, if they marry a Chris Dodd . . . well. The Citizens United v. FEC decision was correct and needed.  Many of you are falling for a false, red herring, argument about corps being individuals.  That line of thinking entirely misses the point of the opinion, not to mention existing law for well over 100 years.

Ferd is the biggest proponent on this thread that I’ve read that this decision is somehow dreadful to the republic.  He claims this somehow relegates our nation into one that is voted by corporations instead of freely made votes of individuals.  Ferd can only be right if we accept the premise that individual people will be necessarily persuaded by commercial entities and those opinions on candidates, period.   Personally, I have more faith in the voting public.

Secondly, but more importantly, it will behoove any corporation to be thoughtful of whom they endorse, given that their consumers will connect the two forevermore.  I suspect that the corps. aren’t crazy happy about this ruling at all, if they marry a Chris Dodd . . . well.

]]> By: bayareavoter http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299354 bayareavoter Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:59:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299354 But I don't want to live in a country where the woman with her own $39 million to spend can buy an election. But I don’t want to live in a country where the woman with her own $39 million to spend can buy an election.

]]> By: elaine http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299287 elaine Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:38:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299287 Orin Hatch pointed out this morning on ABC(?) (Not sure, I was channel surfing) that counter to common perception the Dems receive more big bucks from the corps than the Republicans. I know I'm constantly taking notice of how pro Dem CNBC is with only a few exceptions like Larry Kudlowe &  Michelle Caruso-Cabrea (who went to Wellesley).  Jim Cramer, Maria Bartolomeo, Steve Liseman, etc are all Dems & this is G.E. Financial news? It'll be interesting to see if the tone changes any when Comcast takes over. Orin Hatch pointed out this morning on ABC(?) (Not sure, I was channel surfing) that counter to common perception the Dems receive more big bucks from the corps than the Republicans. I know I’m constantly taking notice of how pro Dem CNBC is with only a few exceptions like Larry Kudlowe &  Michelle Caruso-Cabrea (who went to Wellesley).  Jim Cramer, Maria Bartolomeo, Steve Liseman, etc are all Dems & this is G.E. Financial news? It’ll be interesting to see if the tone changes any when Comcast takes over.

]]> By: elaine http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299283 elaine Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:23:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299283 I don't like the decision any more than any of you however there's really not much new here. The Court has precedents on this topic going back to the robber barons & the railroads. In the early 20th century these were the only folks with the money to take a case all the way to the Supremes & they usually won. Of all the arguments made on this thread I'm most captivated by Ferd's argument:  if corps are individuals that  argument should "cut both ways." Maybe someday some smarty pants lawyer will give that argument a whirl. It could get really interesting...maybe in product liability cases this happens (to an extent) already. I don’t like the decision any more than any of you however there’s really not much new here. The Court has precedents on this topic going back to the robber barons & the railroads. In the early 20th century these were the only folks with the money to take a case all the way to the Supremes & they usually won. Of all the arguments made on this thread I’m most captivated by Ferd’s argument:  if corps are individuals that  argument should “cut both ways.” Maybe someday some smarty pants lawyer will give that argument a whirl. It could get really interesting…maybe in product liability cases this happens (to an extent) already.

]]> By: Sonic Ninja Kitty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299278 Sonic Ninja Kitty Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:37:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299278 oooooo---interesting about the CPD. Here's to educating people, in whatever way our gifts allow.  Yours are awesome--thanks, friend! oooooo—interesting about the CPD.

Here’s to educating people, in whatever way our gifts allow.  Yours are awesome–thanks, friend!

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299272 lark Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:59:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299272 Ferd you forgot one beautiful thing the corporation can do. It can shut off your car in the middle of your trip just because... err the police says it needs to talk to you. Ferd you forgot one beautiful thing the corporation can do. It can shut off your car in the middle of your trip just because… err the police says it needs to talk to you.

]]> By: jbjd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299271 jbjd Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:56:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299271 jangles, this is where you get into the level of scrutiny the SCOTUS applies to consider a case.  If the questioned legislation impacts a fundamental right, the court will consider whether the government had a compelling interest in legislating (an aspect of) that right; and narrowly tailored the legislation to that interest.  (This is called a "strict scrutiny" analysis.)  Purchasing a candidate versus purchasing air time that favorably mentions a candidate (or unfavorably mentions her or his opponent) implicates a different analysis. jangles, this is where you get into the level of scrutiny the SCOTUS applies to consider a case.  If the questioned legislation impacts a fundamental right, the court will consider whether the government had a compelling interest in legislating (an aspect of) that right; and narrowly tailored the legislation to that interest.  (This is called a “strict scrutiny” analysis.)  Purchasing a candidate versus purchasing air time that favorably mentions a candidate (or unfavorably mentions her or his opponent) implicates a different analysis.

]]> By: jbjd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299268 jbjd Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:41:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299268 jangles, this is where you get into the level of scrutiny the SCOTUS applies to consider a case.  If the questioned legislation impacts a fundamental right, the court will consider whether the government had a compelling interest in legislating (an aspect of) that right; and narrowly tailored the legislation to that interest.  Purchasing a candidate versus purchasing air time that favorably mentions a candidate (or unfavorably mentions her or his opponent) implicates a different analysis. jangles, this is where you get into the level of scrutiny the SCOTUS applies to consider a case.  If the questioned legislation impacts a fundamental right, the court will consider whether the government had a compelling interest in legislating (an aspect of) that right; and narrowly tailored the legislation to that interest.  Purchasing a candidate versus purchasing air time that favorably mentions a candidate (or unfavorably mentions her or his opponent) implicates a different analysis.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41244/wassup-with-the-supremes/#comment-1299264 lark Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:22:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=41244#comment-1299264 Correct. And what I am saying as my conclusion to participating in this thread is that I can see it now very very clearly - Ferds outrage is justified but it has already been discounted. When Value Added Tax is incorporated then <b>we are as good as dead individuals</b> - <b>America the land of the zombies.</b> Correct. And what I am saying as my conclusion to participating in this thread is that I can see it now very very clearly – Ferds outrage is justified but it has already been discounted. When Value Added Tax is incorporated then we are as good as dead individuals – America the land of the zombies.

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