The Elephant in the Blue Room

Pat,

You’re absolutely right.  It doesn’t hurt to try some aisle crossing.  But, inviting them to speak and give ideas will mean nothing and they will stop coming to talk if during the meetings all they hear is that their ideas are wrong.   Meetings like that don’t work unless there is upfront agreement that compromises will occur.

Apparently the first such meeting occurred yesterday and was on c-span.  I understand that both parties claimed some coup—they just can not help themselves can they.  The left blogs are hyping o putting it to them and the right is hyping repubs putting it to o.  And so it goes.  Maybe over the next 3 years as the nation goes down the drain they will come to their senses.

Did you hear him say that the hc debate WAS on C-Span? Who knew? Why is it so hard for this guy to tell the simplest of truths? 

The democrats have to reach out to each other to get some agreement amongst themselves.  It is unfortunate there is no such thing as a “moderate repuclican” except for maybe Olympia Snowe.  This country has been moved so far right in the past 30 years that Senator John Heinz would now be considered a liberal democrat.

Sort of like when Bush was in the WH and the Republicans decided everything in closed meetings the Democrats were locked out of.  Also a former Democrat, but keeping everything in perspective.  We need a new kind of thinking in Washington, not just trading parties every 4-8 years.

The only way to stop it is with term limits.

Or a viable third party!

Maybe part of this is as Democrats, we expected the party to be better than this.  Particularly after 8 miserable years of lockstep Republican rule.

Instead, we have the Democratic Party doing the Marie Antionette show: they ‘em all eat cake, including the American public.  I expected something better and it has nothing to do with Obama’s promises because I didn’t believe him from the git-go.  However, what we watched as this botched healthcare legislation worked its way through Congress and what we heard from our Reps: any bill is better than no bill, leaves us with a sense that this isn’t about “us.”  It’s about winning and scoring points at any cost.

I haven’t developed any great love for the Republican Party.  But I and many others want the Democrats to start acting like responsible brokers.  And that means serious negotiations in behalf of the public.  Doesn’t mean the Dems have to give everything away, but if there are some good Republican ideas, use them.

That being said, I do not think that the solution is simply voting out all the Dems and replacing them with Republicans. That’s just a game of musical chairs.  I am not suffering from short-term memory loss. 

Good toon, Pat!  I hope the Dems get their act together.  Otherwise they will be out.

HAha, I once did a WORM on an old thread where I said he would take credit that the health care debate WAS televised on CSPAN because they showed the pre-vote debate and the vote. The Messiah was right all along!

Very good point, Diana L.C.  Can’t disagree there!

“Sort of like when Bush was in the WH and the Republicans decided everything in closed meetings the Democrats were locked out of.”
Actually you are wrong. There was the story that Cheney was holding private meetings with oil companies which became the energy bill. That is a fallacy. I happen to know that there was  bipartisan input into the energy policy Bush eventually proposed and was passed. The radical left was upset that Bush had not embraced global warming and the signing of the Kyoto treaty (which Clinton did not sign either). As more evidence of fraud comes out we are seeing that the “science is in” mantra was a false assertion.
Also, policies such as No Child Left Behind, Drug Prescription Bill, and Immigration Reform were all clear bipartisan bills. Also in the last two years of Bush’s Administration he did not have the GOP running Congress and was still able to get bills passed including the TARP bailout that Obama tries taking credit for.
Pelosi revised the House rules in order to exclude the GOP out of any policy discussion and Obama stood by and said nothing.
That little stage show by Obama showed his arrogance (and ignorance). He essentially said that unless you agree with him then any idea is a bad idea.
The only salvation for his Presidency is that the GOP (the adults) take over the House in 2011 and someone responsible takes over as Senate Majority leader after Reid is defeated. Whomever that is gets together with Speaker Boehner and puts Obama in his place and gives Americans more confidence in their government.

Cute elephant!

NQ posters – this is a must read post. Please, as a patriot and PUMA I’m pleading with you to take your time to go to this link, read the post and watch the videos. This is amazing investigative journalism at its best. It will take about two hours to get through it all, but you won’t be able to stop watching it. Please, again, I’m pleading. It answers all of the questions we’ve been asking for over two years now. Spread the link far and wide when you are done. Your friends and family need to know this AND you’ll get to say “I told you so!”

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/intro-to-the-frankfurt-school-political-correctness-and-cultural-marxism/#comments

The arrogance of power–the Republicans were arrogant when they had it, and now the Democrats are arrogant because they have it.  Well, I’m not going to buy into any more parties; there was a time when it was easy for me to vote because I would just choose Dem at every opportunity.  No More. Party Unity My Ass.  I doubt I will ever be able to support any candidate who campaigned for Barack Obama, with the possible exception of Hillary Clinton.  I used to HATE Republicans, but now I can talk with them in a friendly manner and exchange ideas, and do that regularly with some of the commenters here on NQ.  And in fact, PUMAs and Republicans often find common ground here on NQ, all made possible by a mutual distrust and dislike of Thee One and his worshippers.  Once O is gone and the Kool-Aid is flushed from the system, will we be back at each others throats?  I hope not.  I hope that this daily Independents Day will be a lasting phenomenon and that we will all be able to think freely without being restrained by party lines.

Thanks for the great cartoon Pat.  I hope that big elephant’s “great idea” isn’t to eventually do the Mashed Potatoes on all those little ants behind him!  Once the Republicans get back in power, and they will, the temptation to utterly squash any Dem ideas will be hard to resist.

They’ve already given everyone their answer on working together, “We won!”  So sit down.  Shut up.  And allow them to quicken  the pace on the destructions of liberties and freedoms.

Maybe much of the right was awoken from their own slow march down the same path and realized the folly of such a trajectory.  Perhaps its all political theater to gain momentum from a genuine movement among the people, to bring about limited government, and save their own political hides.

All I know is that for every encroachment on our natural born rights, rights that come not from government but are innate to each of us, we lose the very fabric of this country.  How do you compromise on that?

Obama has to listen, not speak. He doesn’t seem to understand that. You can’t simply tell the people the same thing over and over again and you can’t simply lecture Republicans. You have to actually listen to what people are saying and to take their concerns into consideration.

It’s interesting. When I was poster at Dailykos back in the day it was “GOPers are evil, GOPers are rude, etc.” and yet looking back, I can’t remember ever meeting a GOPer who was an cruel and as nasty as we made them out to be.

Yet since shunning the Messiah I’ve been called an evil GOPer, a racist, a moron, an idiot,  a TEABAGGER!, spewing “right-wing” talking points, a hater, a capitalist pig, etc.

I’m so happy Americans believe Obama is lying and don’t trust him…according to the latest Rasmussen.  Because I’ve never heard such lies, excuses, accusation, blaming, name calling and condescension  from a supposed president.

I seem to recall Democrats were included, even on the war and interrogations.  Remember, Nancy Pelosi complained about the leak that she knew and was in on the meetings that she claimed differently prior.  She said “I was sworn to secrecy”.  Oh yes, sounds like a leader to me (snark)

Everything with Obama is a lie, says the opposite, the feel good words, but doesn’t deliver in deeds.  He is committing to another photo op only.  Behind closed doors, Obama again talked at them and told them their ideas, “none of the economic advisers he listens to, supports them”.  Can I have an “uh duh”, otherwise you would have already been doing them than what those advisers are telling you to do.  ie, Summers, Goolsbee, Rubin.

Go ahead Obama, pay back your special interests on our backs.

Campaigning is only instant gratification to you.  Doesn’t deliver the goods for the rest of us.

Many Democrats, for better or worse, are willing to work with many Repubicans.  Unfortunately, given the climate created by conservative talk radio and the Tea Baggers, a Republican cannot be seen or perceived as cooperating with the Socialist/Communist/Nazi/Anti-Christ in the White House.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

Great toon and presentation, Pat.

Do we really need parties?  They are nothing but trouble and block progress. Why not let the public vote on every issue?   I guess that would just be disorganized chaos.  So what have we got now?  Organized chaos?

dee dee sharp – mashed potato time

We Won is pretty close with a subtle difference I think. I think that difference was summed up by Obama early on in his first year. He said it, and almost nobody saw the gravity of one simple statement… which was simply… I won. This is the problem, democrats didn’t win anything. Obama won everything. This continues to be all about him, and democrats joining their wagons into his wagon train aren’t headed to the final destination that they think they are going to. They aren’t safe in numbers just because they are all together either, because the trail boss Obama doesn’t really care how many wagons make it to the final destination and how many are lost on the way… Only that he makes it and when he gets there at that final destination that he is still the trail boss, and that it is still all about him. This is going to be a rough time for all of us, because none of us won anything.

Also, during the Republican retreat, Mike Pence asked Obama if he would be willing to implement the Republican idea that across the board tax cuts.  An idea that Republicans claimed would have cost half as much as the original stimulus plan and produce twice as many jobs.

Part of his reply, “The problem is, I couldn’t find credible economists who would back up the claims that you just made.”

What he wants are ideas that fit his progressive agenda.

I think that (what you said) is unfair.  Pat is right and it is time to get over the name calling and closed doors and minds.  Only a communist would use the words tea bagger.  That did not feel good – did it?  So, let’s move on.  Quit using words like deniers, party of no, etc.  To paraphrase Lincoln.. we are all of equal stature.  Our legs go from our ass to the ground, and that is where we all stand.

Obama is an ideologue/Alinksky disciple.  The voters have had it with his lies.  Did you hear Paul Ryan raise the point about Barky’s ”discretionary spending” which BO has raised to unbelievable heights? 

Before Barky ever set foot in Baltimore, you have Axelrod and others saying the Republicans can either put forth their ideas or are they will continue to be the party of no…… right that’s real bi-partisanship…..

With majorities in both houses, it is Obama having problems with his own party.   

One more thing, a third party candidate would mean BO would be reelected.  Think about Perot and how Clinton came into office. 

Nice Toon Pat,
It seems that sometimes (equivocating) that when politics are concerned, normaly rational people become rabid fanatics.
I dont’s undedrstand it.
Happy Saturday everyone-it’s snowing in DC.

Agreed WestVirginia304,
Why the constant name calling especially tea******.  Anyone using that term and then excoriating the people they are defaming as non-cooperative–where’s the logic?

I find myself hooked by this one sentence… the “seductive” and “stimulating” nature of intellectualism that seeks to undermine family, church and country — but which ultimately eliminates freedom, rather than liberating its adherents. Which sums up very eloquently that which I have said for years now, but never so succinctly.

Yes Docelder, O’s “I won” is very comparable to W’s “I’ve earned political capital in this election and I’m going to spend it . . . “  In both statements, the egocentricity is apparent.

IBID

I think you have hit on some truth there. What are the parties ultimately except a “control” mechanism? The parties could serve to temper change. I think this is is a good thing. But, what they have devolved into with corporatist influence is a control mechanism which serves to perpetuate the parties themselves to the benefit of their corporate benefactors. I think a third party would help, but that third party could also ultimately be compromised… in which case then a fourth party. Then the real thing needed is term limits, election campaign reform and lobbying reform. I wish I knew honestly. We are in deep here.

I’ve got an idea.  Let’s prevent this country from becoming a third world nation run by a bigoted dictator a lib elitists.  Anyone opposing Obama and this insane Democrat party is doing just that.

AC and WV304:  I’m just using the terms that are “out there.”  I agree that those terms are part of the problem.  No meaning dialogue can be conducted when the two parties start out with their defense mechanisms aroused.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

Term Limits.  Got my vote, Docelder.

Wait. Your name is “Animal Control”? And you’re in DC? You must be VERY busy.

Stan shows what happens to an ignorant koolaid drinking follower.  The only thing Obama has trickled down is blame, accuse, name call and condescension.

Well…and maybe hat secret that isn’t staying much a secret anymore as these fellows keep talking about sexual tea bagging.  Why they wish to keep talking about their sexual experiences when we’re talking governing and policy, only they know (wink wink)

With majorities in both houses, it is Obama having problems with his own party.

This is heartening, because it’s a return to business-as-usual in the Dem Camp.  It’s been a poliical cliche that the Dems are always fighting among themselves, whereas the GOP has been more adept at putting up a united front.  It was very alarming to see so many Democrats singing kumbaya and falling into line behind the charismatic Thee One, ready to happily follow him right over the cliff.  It just weren’t natural!  Lots of chaotic infighting makes for a smaller possibility of an out-of-control tyranny.

ah.. umm.. er.. huh?

If people wanted aisle crossing they would have voted for McCain, he is about as moderate as they come and even wanted Lieberman as VP.  McCain did not go over, and people ran toward a radical in Obama.  McCain’s biggest handicap was dealing with racism as 97% of blacks voted for Obama.  That supports the conclusion that blacks had no desire to reach across the aisle.  Powell put his own racism on display.  While knocking the Republican party and wanting them to be moderate, McCain was the exactly the candidate he was describing yet he endorsed Obama.  Pure racism.

Now that you mention it!

“It just weren’t natural!”
Like the accent.

A little reminder of what was predicted 2 years ago.  This was made 1 1/2 years ago.

EWard you just brought a scary scenario to my mind.  The obamacrats, in their infinite scheming deception and organizing constant filthy, cheating tactics, can easily put up a dummy candidate, an Edwards, to draw the votes from the candidated that opposes mucho drama obama.  shudder.  he just might swing past the real voters of this country again with a win when those who wish to be rid of him repeat history and re-elect him by voting for the latest Nader/Perot character in protest.

oy vey. 

Uh, it’s called the “Tea Party Movement” not Tea Baggers which is a deliberate insult. Can see no reason to try bi-partisanship with an attitufe like yours.

Snowing here too.  But, hey.  It’s West Virginia, where the rivers are wild and the slopes are steep.  Snowshoe reports 110″ of snowfall so far this winter and 60 slopes open.  Ya’ll come.

OD2EB:  Are you saying that you still post comments on DK and that, if you do not tow the ‘party’ line, you are called these names?  (Ever since I came out as a ‘birther,’ I have been unable to get comments posted on The Confluence; and I was seldom able to get a comment on Huffington Post.  I cannot recall if I ever tried to comment on DK or DU, although I get hits on my blog occasionally from DU.  Of course, I consider my work to lack controversy.  I mean, the D’s did claim BO was Constitutionally eligible for POTUS to get election officials to print his name on the ballot; we have obtained several of these Certifications.  (And the laws in some of these states only allow the names of eligible candidates to be printed on the ballot.)  Citizens did ask these members of the D party on what documentary basis they determined he was a NBC; NP ignored us but DNC General Counsel Joseph Sandler did write a letter acknowledging receipt of these requests which had been addressed to Alice Germond, DNC Secretary and then did claim the DNC did not have to produce such documentation since it was not a public agency.  And WH Counsel Bob Bauer did admit to the federal court the best evidence that exists BO is a NBC is a facsimile of a document posted on an internet web site owned first by BO, then his campaign committee, and now, the DNC, which image is only visible to the naked eye when viewed through a computer screen.)   Because if they still let you post over there, I wish you could send links to my blog, to them.  http://jbjd.wordpress.com

The most regretable thing about both parties is that they only count Congressional seats, and forget that every vote there should represent millions across the country.
I blame leaders like Pelosi and the former Delay. I have seen committee chairmen work well together, and Newt Gingrich worked with Clinton, once he was consulted and treated with respect.
The democrats took Congress, minus BO, but as a team, their vindictiveness, and stubborness is destroying our economy and trust in government.

A quote from my congressman Phil Roe:
“I know more about health care than the president of the United States. If I didn’t I’d be pretty stupid having worked in it for 30 years, and spent my life doing it, and not know more than someone who spent none of his life doing it. And yet, he didn’t reach out to us in any meaningful way.”
Also in that article was a report about hackers getting into about 50 House web sites and leaving obscene anti-Obama remarks, following the State of the Union speech.

I did vote for McCain for that reason–and because he had an amicable political relationship with Hillary.

I won’t blame the racism all on the AA vote, however.  I’ll blame it also on the political correctness of the “progressives” in academia.  And I’ll blame a lot on all those who are sexist, whether they admit they are or not.

One of the best campaign speeches I heard during the primary came from an AA FOR Hillary–the ex-mayor of my state’s capital city.

Come to the real mountains.  Lots of snow on the slopes.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

HaHa Linda–that’s quite a gallery!

“The truth appears to be that they have not been invited to put forth any of their many ideas. Maybe they have merit. Maybe they are crap. We don’t really know.”

For how many months were Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins courted, begged to work with the administration on health care?  For how many months did Max Baucus postpone a vote on the Finance Committee so that he could get the support of Enzi, Grassley, and Snow?  $300 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts.  A public option was dropped to woo Republican support for healthcare, which they still didn’t provide.  Snowe ended up voting against the exact same bill she voted for when it left the Finance Committee.  Why?  Because her party leadership put a gun to her head, that’s why.

The GOP is completely and totally the party of NO.  Any pretense of bipartisanship from these folks is just Lucy yanking the football away.

And after the last EIGHT YEARS, to have the nerve to state that “we don’t really know” whether GOP ideas have any merit…what on earth are you talking about?!!!  We tried their “ideas” for the first 8 years of this century, when Bush ran the show!  They ran Congress for 6 years before that!  They were in charge the entirety of the 1980′s!  Were we HAPPY with the “ideas” they provided then???

McCain’s biggest handicap was dealing with racism as 97% of blacks voted for Obama.

And blacks voted 92% for Kerry, and 93% for Gore.  I guess they were being “racist” then, too.

Dubya II, I wanted to click the “like” thingy, but didn’t like being called a Teabagger or a racist either, so I agree with what you said but can’t say I “liked” it.

=-X

” (Ever since I came out as a ‘birther,’”

That’s why no one likes you.

The truth appears to be that they have not been invited to put forth any of their many ideas.

Perhaps I am wrong, but with 24 hour news concentrating on all things political, and every politician plugged into the media, why do you have to be INVITED to state an idea?

Luv you Pat and  am SO HAPPY you live near me because it makes my state so much more livable. I’m also a recovering Dem.
However,  I am not as charitable as you and believe this is a street fight and the Republicans have no intention of “playing nice” and they enforce their will in a way that makes me long for Lyndon Johnson.Or at least Willie Brown.

I know Stan Davis. Really great guy!  He is not saying what HE thinks–just what keeps Democrats who would like to speak out quiet.

Peggy Sue.I have to agree with you on the dem/rep issue.    I also don’t have any desire to just keep switching parties like more sheep, swaying in the wind, theres been enough of that..     It is just that I or maybe we expected the dems to be better.            I am  not having a short term memory loss either.     I just hope people remember more than the moment or what they are being fed by either party and that we are so upset with this president’s lack of taking strong leadership instead of letting others stick their neck out there.  It will not make me a republican ,  but I listen and make my own mind up.

  I have been a lifelong dem supporter but no more ,  I want what is best for the country and after eight years of disasters and now this last year it is very hard .   the people will have to hold each person running to some kind of accountability  that isn’t decided by the MSM. 

With all due respect, Jackie, I don;’t think we are talking about “work with” as we are about “what do we have to do to get your vote so that we can prevail.”  There’s a real difference.

Also, I odubt Pat was talking about the last 8 years and what Republicans put forward.  We all know how all of that went doen.  What are they putting forward now, today, the present???  We don’t know.  Maybe it is crap–and maybe they have an idea or two worth listening to.  Americans appear not to think much of what the Dems are putting forth.

Lots of folks here at NQ like jbjd and are grateful for the scholarly work she has done in pursuing the truth and bringing it to light.

well jackie when i see aa folks continue to support obama in droves when he has done nothing for them before and after his trip to the wh, i wonder. and who condemned the clintons re racism well the aa politicans yelled the loudest. talk about ingrates!

I place the racism solely on Obama’s shoulders. To whom much is given, much is expected (required).

pelosi is the worst of the worst. she has to go.

and let me add that houston’s jackson lee continued to support hillary against condemantion and ugly comments in the aa community. shame on them. the aa’s who didn’t toe the line were abused and mistreaed. shame  i was proud of jackson lee.

Hey Jackie, I admire JBJD, whose writing is concise and first class.

You really think it is about “being liked” ? ROLF.

The Dems seem afraid to try things that might not work.  I’m reminded of Tom Peters’s dictum in In Search of Excellence or one of his other works, “Fail faster.”  If everything you do works, you’re not trying enough things.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

No, I haven’t been able to post there since June 2008 and I first signed on there in 2002 I think. Seems like everytime I start a new account I say something less than kool-aid like and my account gets shut down. Maybe they have my IP blocked? Who knows?

They are putting thing forward like this link, but you never know it if you listen to the MSM.

http://www.house.gov/ryan/roadmap/roadmap.htm

Stan, what’s with the one-upmanship. rather I would have volunteered my shovel–that how getting along works–it’s not like you made the mountains!.

Hi ho, hi ho!
I’ve already shoveled snow!
Five inches here, and lovely to look at.

Stan, what’s with the one-upmanship. rather I would have volunteered my shovel–that how getting along works–it’s not like you made the mountains!.
Around  my circle we call that person “topper” (I can top anything you say/do).

I also do not want to see the pedulum swing all the way back to the right!  I just want it to swing off of stuck on stupid!

Stan, I understood your comment.
Both Representatives Michele Bachman and Marsha Blackburn have canceled their appearances at the Tea Party convention in Nashville because of possible violations of House ethics rules.
The $550 ticket prices are not sitting well with many of the group.

Where are you Sassy?

What are they putting forward now, today, the present???  We don’t know.  Maybe it is crap–and maybe they have an idea or two worth listening to.  Americans appear not to think much of what the Dems are putting forth.

Are you actually saying that their ideas have CHANGED since the Bush years?  You guys talk like these “ideas” just aren’t available for consumption.  Go to the RNC website.  Watch FOX News.  Watch the C-Span Q&A with the House GOP caucus and the President.  Their ideas are everywhere.  And it’s their responsibility to disseminate those ideas, anyway.  It’s certainly not the President’s job to let the FOXinto the henhouse.

But in any case…they haven’t changed at all.  The very first thing Mike Pence asked Obama yesterday was if he would support an across the board tax cut.  That’s a tax cut for billionaires, millionaires, and then all of us little folks get some scraps, too.  It’s the same $hit they were pushing for 8 yrs of Bush.  NOTHING HAS CHANGED.  Tax cuts, deregulation.  That is the entire domestic agenda of the Republican Party, in three words.

Almost Heaven.

Anyone who self-identifies as a birther needs a brain transplant.

Where are you Sassy?
Last month we had quite an accumulation here–the most I remember in December.  Nice day for homemade Sorbet (like when I was a younger).

Almost Heaven.

This should nestle under West Virginia whose area code may be 304

Your Logic:

90% African-American support for Bill Clinton = deserved gratitude.

97% African-American support for Barack Obama = abject racism.

jackie, i have serious questions about obama’s qualifications to be president. the name birthers was given in a rude and demeaning way by people trying to ridicule those who as questions like they are attempting to do to tea party folks. got a problem with that? then maybe you are at the wrong site. are you attemtping to riducule me for asking questions about obama’s background he does nothing but hide? huh? then you know where you can take that crap and go.

AC, I’m in Tennessee, Ferd and Katmoon country!

Topper is my cat’s name…named from Leo G. Carroll’s moustache in the TV series of the same name.

Hey!  Can’t one have some pride in his state?

‘Course my REAL state is Oklahoma.

Stan

I am happy with limits on the scope and size of government, and sometimes it takes a NO to keep the creeping bureaucracy at bay. That is in fact how our system was designed.

Play the blame game all you like, I really dont care for either party much. Scream BushBushBushBush and tear your hair for all I care.

NO is my new favorite word.

Jackie, anyone who used the term “birther” derogatorily/gutter language spoken to demean should have their mouths washed with lye soap!
Why the name calling and generalities.
Where’s your brain?

I like jbjd, now there

Stodghie, you are wasting your time.
This is the same jackie who told Larry and NQ how much they hate BO on another thread a few days ago.
Free speech only applies to her.

Jackie,
I like jbjd, now there 
I do however feel she/he is using a term given by detractors in order to ridicule.  As a lawyer, she/he should know that “who defines the terms wins the argument” (I’m quoting myself).
I would never use a term that someone else invented in order to ridicule what I believe.

jackie, i have serious questions about obama’s qualifications to be president.


Your questions have been answered about 10,000 times.  You’re not looking for answers.

Harp:  I believe you’re right.  I don’t even think a parliamentary system would work in the U. S. anymore; the government and corporate elite are now so corrupt.

“Free speech only applies to her.”

What a ridiculous statement.  As if I’ve ever told anyone here (or anywhere else) that they weren’t free to speak their minds.  You guys have a funny habit of equating the slightest criticism with an attempt to strip away your freedom of speech.  Sarah Palin has much the same view of criticism. 

You are free to criticize.  You are not free from criticism.  No one is, and no one ever has been.  Nor should they be.

You need to go back to the link and this time read it.

So, you’re saying the Republicans worked really well with the Democrats?  Considered their ideas?  Produced a bi-partisan collegial Congress or are you saying Bush did a great job and the Democrats just didn’t reach out to him.  Whatever, I think you’re looking at the wrong coverage of those times.  So sad when people can’t face the truth.  I guess the only answer then is to ALWAYS have REPUBLICANS in power, i. e., a Facist State.

Wonderful Cartoon! 
 
The question is “Is having ½ a loaf better for the country and the Democratic Party than no loaf at all?”  That is what compromise is all about.  As the saying goes a good negotiated deal is when everyone ends up getting something they wanted and disappointed about what they did not get. Often in order to get there one needs some kind of mediator that all sides respect and the parties at some point have to understand that they are going to have to be satisfied with ½ a loaf.  They have to let go of, “it’s my way or the highway.’
 
I am not sure who is running the country.  In Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Axelrod and others like them, I do not see anything that says let’s work together.  In fact they have to threaten and bribe their own people in order to get them to do or vote for what they want, never mind working with the Republicans.  They are the ones drunk with power and I am not sure much will change as long as they are running the country and Obama is just their figure head. 
 
Everyone says Obama is smart and a quick learner, but can he be a leader or is he just good at doing what he is told?  I believe that was his job as a community organizer who went out and did what the Democratic Chicago machine wanted him to do.  That is the real question and the answer will determine if there is any chance for the Democratic Party to do some things that are good for the country. 
 
Rich

Jackie, Yor use of the English language could use a little polish-”You guys”–is that like “You People”
Sounds prejudicial to me.

I like AND admire JBJD

Jackie, Yor use of the English language could use a little polish-”You guys”–is that like “You People” 
Sounds prejudicial to me.

Ok, now you’re just f*cking with me.

Jakie you daft Shelia.
FACT:
 As a constutional legal matter, BO has been asked but refuses to furnish to provide a vault copy of his BC.
FACT:
The use of “er” after tea bag, truth, birth is to margininalize the issue and the people involvedd asking questions.
FACT:
Looking for the truth should never be made a derisive endevor.
FACT: BO occupies the office.
Question; why are you so worried?

Jackie, you daft Shelia. 
FACT: 
 As a constitutional legal matter, BO has been asked but refuses to furnish a vault copy of his BC. 
FACT: 
The use of “er” after tea bag, truth, birth is to marginalize the issue and the people involved asking questions. 
FACT: 
Looking for the truth should never be made a derisive endeavor. 
FACT: BO occupies the office. 
Question; why are you so worried?

It sure beats “Present.”

illogical jackie, obummer does nothing for anyone including you. while clinton worked his tush off for the american people  ALL OF US.

THANKS FOR PLAYING, YOU DON’T GET A DOLL.

Thank you so much.  I have bookmarked this site.  It makes me want to sit down and have a good cry thinking of all the years and energy I wasted on this trash in the 60′s.  Thank God for people such as Horowitz who continually out these traitors.  I was completly brainwashed along with millions of others of my generation.  It was a very expensive proposition in every way. 

Fortunately I redonciled with my parents, while they were alive, before it was too late.  Their patriotic roots ran deep though and the leftists of the 60′s weren’t able to completely uproot those values.  They even deluded us into thinking we were great patriots by joining the “revolution”.  Is there anything that comes out of their Marxist mouths that is not a lie?

jackie, you are a foolish and naive person. that is being kind. obummer weaves, dodges, lies, and does everything but tell the truth.

sigh, how boring and naive!

jackie, i like jbjd also. maybe it’s you we don’t like. ever think about that? not because you are an obummer supporter but because you make no sense and aren’t open to honest discussion.

teak, the dimocrats on tv say baggers in a very ugly tone. and yet now they want to try faux concern for us to manipulate us. no thanks we know what they are.

I think the thing is certain voting groups have traditionally “wasted” their votes. Blacks always vote democrat, but they don’t get anything for it. Unless you count subsistence social crumbs as anything. I don’t. The larger democrat agenda doesn’t have much for any of the “issue” groups right now. That is because their overall agenda is the same corporatist agenda that both parties devolve tpwards. We need reform and term limits and we need to clean the house and senate.

Sassy, what do you know of Cookeville? If I can unload my Tampa house this spring, it’s where we are thinking in our house. I am thinking small enough to be safe and have great schools, big enough to have things you will need and of course in the middle of all those lakes.

Jackie, for me, the work is the thing.  Judging by the absence of substantive opposition to the contents of my work, I conclude thoe with opposing views find that this work is unassailable.  As a result, those motivated by promoting opposing interests can only hope to prevail  by opposing me, personally.  

You write, “Your questions have been answered about 10,000 times.  You’re not looking for answers.”  That statement is untrue; my sole question has never been answered:  what documentation provided the basis for the Certification by members of the D Corporation to state election officials, that BO was Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, to get these officials to print his name next to the D on the state ballot?  And when I say, my question has never been answered, I do not mean generally, on the blogs; but rather, when contacted directly, these D’s – Nancy Pelosi, Alice Germond, Boyd Richie (TX state D party Chair) – refuse to answer.  (NP not only received questions through the mail but I arrangned to hand-deliver such questions to her office at the House.  Letters sent to AG were acknowledged by Joseph Sandler, (former) General Counsel to the DNC Services Corporation.  To paraphrase, he replied, ‘I am not going to tell you because I am not required by law to provide this information.’)

See, based on the public record, no evidence exists that BO is a citizen, let alone natural born.  And WH Counsel Bob Bauer agrees with me.  (See, for example, his infamous footnote in Hollister.)  BO has never stated publicly he is a NBC; he only signed a document for the AZ SoS that stipulates he must be to enter the AZ primary.  Nope; only you, and thousands, perhaps millions like you, swear ‘a thousand times’ he is eligible.  But, with all due respect, the legal ‘reasonable person’ would conclude your oath, based on belief, is less credible than the claims of both BO and his lawyer, as expressed in signed pleadings submitted to the federal court.

(All referenced information can be found on my blog, http://jbjd.wordpress.com )

P.S.  My reasons for ‘adopting’ the term ‘birther’ also appear on my blog.  And no one familiar with my work found that work less credible because of my new moniker.  On the contrary; they dismissed the overwleming circumstantial case that supports my theory BO is not a NBC in advance, having stopped posting my comments as soon as I ‘came out.’  (Funny; in that respect, both DK and DU mimic the conduct of RCP and TC.)

Answered 10,000 times as in “He’s OK, we asked him”?  That’s not good enough and we have every right and obligation to ask for straight on proof.  We have never been shown the hidden document (s).  Now that might be on purpose to create a red herring in order to use it later to attack his detrators.  However, he’s wrong not to respond with openness and truth to people who want this resolved.  The whole lot of them use Machivellian tactics so how can anyone know what they’re up to.  All we know is it’s not good either way.

Jackie, for me, the work is the thing.  Judging by the absence of substantive opposition to the contents of my work, I conclude those with opposing views find that this work is unassailable.  As a result, people motivated by promoting opposing interests can only hope to prevail  by opposing me, personally.    
 
You write, “Your questions have been answered about 10,000 times.  You’re not looking for answers.”  This statement is untrue as applied to me; my sole question has never been answered.  That is, what documentation provided the basis for the Certification by members of the D Corporation to state election officials, that BO was Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS, to get these officials to print his name next to the D on the state ballot?  And when I say, my question has never been answered, I do not mean generally, on the blogs; but rather, when contacted directly, these D’s – Nancy Pelosi, Alice Germond, Boyd Richie (TX state D party Chair) – refuse to answer.  (NP not only received questions through the mail but I arrangned to hand-deliver such questions to her office at the House.  Letters sent to AG were acknowledged by Joseph Sandler, (former) General Counsel to the DNC Services Corporation.  To paraphrase, he replied, ‘I am not going to tell you because I am not required by law to provide this information.’)  
 
See, based on the public record, no evidence exists that BO is a citizen, let alone natural born.  And WH Counsel Bob Bauer agrees with me.  (See, for example, his infamous footnote in Hollister.)  BO has never stated publicly he is a NBC; he only signed a document for the AZ SoS that stipulates he must be to enter the AZ primary.  Nope; only you, and thousands, perhaps millions like you, swear ‘a thousand times’ he is eligible.  But, with all due respect, the legal ‘reasonable person’ would conclude your oath, based on belief, is less credible than, for example, the claims of both BO and his lawyer, as expressed in signed pleadings submitted to the federal court.  
 
(All referenced information can be found on my blog, http://jbjd.wordpress.com )  
 
P.S.  My reasons for ‘adopting’ the term ‘birther’ also appear on my blog.  And no one familiar with my work found that work less credible because of my new moniker.  On the contrary; opponents to the ‘birthers’ dismissed the overwleming circumstantial case that supports my theory BO is not a NBC in advance, having stopped posting my comments as soon as I ‘came out.’  (Funny; in that respect, both DK and DU mimic the conduct of RCP and TC.)

What do you say to thugs who would rob you, beat you and take all you have? You say NO. There is no shame in saying no.

I think corporatists are running the country. I think the marching orders flow down to the lobbyists and they in turn write the laws now which the senate and house rubber stamp based on the color of their donkey or elephant. They don’t read the stuff, because… what’s the point? Even if they could understand any of it, which for most of them I doubt… but even if, they have their orders. They know the game. Term limits now.

Stan, the Rockies are nice, but I always preferred the Appalachians. And here is why…the Appalachians make me feel like America is putting warm arms around me and giving me a hug, the Rockies make me feel like I should be careful where I sit since they are so ragged and rocky, not at all comfortable. I lived in WV for a couple of decades and loved every minute of it. The “hollers” and the people whose families have lived there since before America was the United States, the wonderful music, and the basic self-sufficiency of the West Virginians has always endeared the Mountain State to me. And they have great horse racing too..LOL

NO O (is there an echo in here?)

http://dailycaller.com/2010/01/27/rep-paul-ryan-to-introduce-alternative-to-health-care-and-spending/

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

Here’s what I want.. A president who goes and tells Congress..”Look, I don’t give a damn what party you belong to. You represent the voters, your constituents. Your job is to craft legislation that is to their benefit, and you damn well better do it! If you don’t, I will tell your constituents that you are failing to represent them properly. I am also going to keep a sharp eye on your associations with lobbyists and the gifts you take from them, fancy dinners, vacations and other goodies. If your vote reflects their influence rather than what your constituents are saying they want, you will be investigated for corruption. If you persist in voting in a way that does not reflect what your constituents are demanding, then I will campaign for your opponent, no matter what party they are, in the next election. And you will lose your job, and deservedly so. Now, let us all get to work and get this country back on the rails!!”

Let’s just all hope that he isn’t just playing his usual political lip service thing again.  I have seen no sincere effort to reach out or really apologize for his shortcomings to anyone since he became King.

Any one who takes Obama’s word for anything needs a brain, period. He is a serial liar, started lying during the campaign, to wit, he said he was against FISA and then voted FOR it, and was for public financing and then decided against it. And people like you either didn’t notice or didn’t care. How brainless is that??

Yeah, we want to see his records, the real ones not some internet-posted piece of paper that says nothing. I want to see his grades and his scholarship records. I want to see his medical records, just like every other candidate. I want the transparency he promised and reneged on. Obama is a liar and anyone who says differently is a brainless fool. And if you say differently, prove it.

Being King is never having to say you’re sorry.

Thanks, d2i!  It was a good way to spend some time this Suday.  It really did explain some things to me also.  I need now to digest it all since it explains more to me than just this last primary and election, but also much all the years I spent battling the public schools, while teaching in them and raising my family.

that was the GENERAL election, jackie, where there are (supposed to be) major policy differences between the parties.  blacks voted 90+% for Zero in the dem PRIMARIES, and yes, that was racism, and it does not bode well for the future of this country.

Great analogy Docelder!  And may I be so bold to extend it to say lately, because of the POTUS’ lack of leadership, it seems the Democratic Party is turning into the Donner Party.

don’t put words in my mouth, Jackie….speak for yourself.

My only problem with term limits that I had never considered.  Were it not for the tea party movement, and the townhalls, we would have the abysmal HCR, cap & tax, and amnesty would be on the table by now.  If they were NOT allowed to run for re-election via term limits, they could have said to hell with it, I am at least making history, I’ll vote yes.  Threats of losing re-election carries weight. 

That’s beautiful imagery, FLDemFem.

Stan

“My other site” – where are your facts? You have none.

The Dems are now worse than the Republicans.  Because the Dems attacked Republican voters.  Hillary scorched Republican elites, but never attacked American voters.

I can’t think of a precedent for Speaker Pelosi’s and Jimmy Carter’s disgusting smears on dissenting voters.  The closest is Spiro Agnew’s attacks on anti-Viet Nam war protestors.  But Carter was worse — he’s a former President.  And calling protestors ‘racists’ is worse than calling them ‘drugged out hippies.’

Jackie – Keep drinking the socialist ideology of Democrats. The Democrat idea for healthcare reform results in government control (which no one wants and has not worked in Canada or Europe) but Americans don’t want that. So they try to extend medicare to younger age people by cutting medicare/medicaid benefits to older people but Americans did not want that. And then they try to put taxes on employers and insurance companies (which any non-dimwitted American knows gets passed along to average Americans) so Americans don’t want that either. And in the end they still are not insuring everyone and the costs by the CGO are going up anyway unless the Democrats can create a perfect storm of economic events. I think that pretty much sums up the chaos you call the democrat idea for healthcare reform.

Obama spoke about healthcare experts – unfortunately they are not in his administration. The large majority of physicians all agree that a major cost of healthcare increases are ambulance chasing lawyers who convince people to sue doctors and hospitals for everything. The implications affect malpractice insurance which affects costs, wich affects healthcare insurance. It also forces more procedures because of CYA which affects costs which affects your healthcare insruance. Apparently Democrats are too busy counting the trial attorney campaign contributions to figure out those equations.

The other major problem is the lack of competition. Democrats think that the government creates competition (which the majority of Americans don’t believe) and the GOP rightly believes that if you allow interstate competition then the market will force down prices. The democrats have no evidence to support their argument while the GOP has decades of evidence to support theirs.

And regarding across the board tax cuts, it affects everyone and does results in economic growth. The GOP has decades of evidence to support their claim and Democrats have none except urban myths.

Party of No?  Why would Republicans vote for a bill they don’t like and their constituents don’t want?  In this case, Republicans have done the will of the people.

Right now, I think the Dems are the Party of No.  As in “Reality?  No, no, no!”

I see they’ve rebooted the troll server.  That system crash after Massachusetts must have been a doozy!

Well, having been a democrat for over 35 years, until this past year, right now I’ll be part of the party of HELL NO. As in HELL NO, we don’t want this POS healthcare takeover bill. HELL NO, we’re tired of the spending, the pork, the ear marks. Do we like Obama’s policies. HELL NO. Now is that clear enough for you kool aid drinkers.

I want my party back. Until then, count me in as a contributing member of the HELL NO party until we can get some kind of sanity back into this country. Do I like the job Obama is doing? HELL NO

Hate to tell you this, as it will not be believed by you anyways. But my accountant couldn’t believe that I or anyone else benefited from Bushy’s tax cut. You see, her and her husband were head of our county’s Democratic leadership. She works for the state and does some accounting work on the side. When I insisted that we did benefit, she went back through our taxes, two years worth and realized that by God, we did. She then when through several other customers and she had to admit that it did help them as well. We aren’t rich, hell we’re just middle class, but it still helped us. For it to go away will really hurt us. ANd she didn’t vote for the imposter, she was a Hillary fan all the way.

But let’s just keep playing this game that it only helped the “rich folks”. I sure it helped them as well, but I know for a fact it helped our family. More so than this supposedly 95% of all Americans getting a tax break shit that Obama did. My husband and I still haven’t figured out how the hell it helped us. Our paychecks didn’t change that we could tell.

I spent quite some time at that site today- lots and lots of great info. I plan on going back and rereading – I am sure the more I read it, the more I will get out of it. Well worth the time!

90% of blacks voted for Obama over Clinton, both are Democrats.  That supports the conclusion that an overwhelming amount of blacks are racist.  Had Clinton gotten 90% of the white vote against Obama, the lamestream media would have complained about white racism on a daily basis and Sharpton would have been protesting on a daily basis. 

Sharpton had stated that if Clinton won the nomination by getting the super delegate vote then he would engineer protests.  That is another example of racism.  Meanwhile, Obama was caught spending 20 years in a racist church and he was not held accountable.  To this day he has never apologized for being a member in good standing of that hell hole.  On top of this the blacks in the Democrat party had the audacity to label Bill Clinton as a racist.

If you still want to claim blacks are not racist then put down whatever it is that you are smoking.

Sharply divided partisanship is nothing new, it did not begin with Obama or with GWB.  President Nixon had tried to introduce a comprehensive health care plan to Congress for many of the same reason we hear today, costs are out of control, Medicare (while still in its infancy, btw) is going broke, there are too many uninsured, etc., etc., etc.

Nixon’s proposals were also not unlike the one’s we also hear today from the Democrats, employer mandates, subsidies for low income individuals and families, and tax credits used to purchase insurance.  Nixon’s plan, which would have greatly extended the reach of the federal government into health care was opposed by the far right of the Republican Party as much as Obama’s lack of a public option is opposed today by the far left of the Democratic Party.

For Nixon’s plan and for Obama’s plan, the president’s own party was divided.  Accordingly, it becomes irrelevant that Nixon did not have a majority Republican controlled congress as enjoyed by Obama with a majority Democrat controlled Congress, or vice versa.

Interestingly, too, is that Ted Kennedy was instrumental in defeating the Nixon health care plan.  Although it called for tax subsidies and credits to enable the uninsured and poor to purchase health insurance, just as the Democrat’s then wanted and as the Democrat plan today does, the Nixon plan was to be administered through the states and not the federal government, which Teddy found abusive to the general public!

Consider this quote from a history of Nixon’s health care plan:
“He [Nixon] could rarely find unity among his own party.  Democrats began responding to Nixon’s partisan politics by showing a surprising degree of party unity.”  (Timothy J. Conlan, The Politics of Federal Block Grants, Political Science Quarterly, vol. 99, iss. 2, pp. 247-270, at 255).

Replace Nixon with Obama and switch the party identifications in the above quote and what is old is new again.

Never fear, a brain transplant won’t be covered under Obama Care so just think, all those birther wackos will be around forever!

Go JBJD!

i say other site, you sure like the sound you think your written words make. hmmm, makes no sense to me. >:o

Adults frequently have to tell the children NO, it’s the way children learn and grow into responsible decision makers as adults instead of being self-indulgent children all their lives.

Boris Karloff doing “Monster Mash”.

FLDemFem,
Now this is real music.  The original RAP!

Mark, my guess is they’re not smoking anything good.

LOVE the toon Pat!!  It is now one of my favorites!

I don’t know if it what you intended, but that elephant looks bloated AND irritated and possibly in need of a colon cleanser as he looks back with tail up and wonders where did those miserable little people came from.

I’d love to see a similarly disposed donkey toon!