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		<title>By: ChooChooMagoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChooChooMagoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE the toon Pat!! &#160;It is now one of my favorites!

I don&#039;t know if it what you intended, but that elephant looks bloated AND irritated and possibly in need of a colon cleanser as he looks back with tail up and wonders where did those miserable little people came from.

I&#039;d love to see a similarly disposed donkey toon!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE the toon Pat!! &nbsp;It is now one of my favorites!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it what you intended, but that elephant looks bloated AND irritated and possibly in need of a colon cleanser as he looks back with tail up and wonders where did those miserable little people came from.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see a similarly disposed donkey toon!</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302846</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, my guess is they&#039;re not smoking anything good. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, my guess is they&#8217;re not smoking anything good.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302838</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FLDemFem,
Now this is real music. &#160;The original RAP! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FLDemFem,<br />
Now this is real music. &nbsp;The original RAP!</p>
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		<title>By: FLDemFem</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302819</link>
		<dc:creator>FLDemFem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris Karloff doing &quot;Monster Mash&quot;. 





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris Karloff doing &#8220;Monster Mash&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Kucera</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302801</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Kucera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adults frequently have to tell the children NO, it&#039;s the way children learn and grow into responsible decision makers as adults instead of being self-indulgent children all their lives. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adults frequently have to tell the children NO, it&#8217;s the way children learn and grow into responsible decision makers as adults instead of being self-indulgent children all their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: stodghie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302794</link>
		<dc:creator>stodghie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i say other site, you sure like the sound you think your written words make. hmmm, makes no sense to me. &gt;:o </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say other site, you sure like the sound you think your written words make. hmmm, makes no sense to me. &gt;:o</p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
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		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never fear, a brain transplant won&#039;t be covered under Obama Care so just think, all those birther wackos will be around forever!

Go JBJD! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never fear, a brain transplant won&#8217;t be covered under Obama Care so just think, all those birther wackos will be around forever!</p>
<p>Go JBJD!</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Kucera</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302790</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Kucera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharply divided partisanship is nothing new, it did not begin with Obama or with GWB. &#160;President Nixon had tried to introduce a comprehensive health care plan to Congress for many of the same reason we hear today, costs are out of control, Medicare (while still in its infancy, btw) is going broke, there are too many uninsured, etc., etc., etc.

Nixon&#039;s proposals were also not unlike the one&#039;s we also hear today from the Democrats, employer mandates, subsidies for low income individuals and families, and tax credits used to purchase insurance. &#160;Nixon&#039;s plan, which would have greatly extended the reach of the federal government into health care was opposed by the far right of the Republican Party as much as Obama&#039;s lack of a public option is opposed today by the far left of the Democratic Party.

For Nixon&#039;s plan and for Obama&#039;s plan, the president&#039;s own party was divided. &#160;Accordingly, it becomes irrelevant that Nixon did not have a majority Republican controlled congress as enjoyed by Obama with a majority Democrat controlled Congress, or vice versa.

Interestingly, too, is that Ted Kennedy was instrumental in defeating the Nixon health care plan. &#160;Although it called for tax subsidies and credits to enable the uninsured and poor to purchase health insurance, just as the Democrat&#039;s then wanted and as the Democrat plan today does, the Nixon plan was to be administered through the states and not the federal government, which Teddy found abusive to the general public!

Consider this quote from a history of Nixon&#039;s health care plan:
&quot;&lt;i&gt;He [Nixon] could rarely find unity among his own party. &#160;Democrats began responding to Nixon&#039;s partisan politics by showing a surprising degree of party unity.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; &#160;(Timothy J. Conlan, &lt;i&gt;The Politics of Federal Block Grants&lt;/i&gt;, Political Science Quarterly, vol. 99, iss. 2, pp. 247-270, at 255).

Replace Nixon with Obama and switch the party identifications in the above quote and what is old is new again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharply divided partisanship is nothing new, it did not begin with Obama or with GWB. &nbsp;President Nixon had tried to introduce a comprehensive health care plan to Congress for many of the same reason we hear today, costs are out of control, Medicare (while still in its infancy, btw) is going broke, there are too many uninsured, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>Nixon&#8217;s proposals were also not unlike the one&#8217;s we also hear today from the Democrats, employer mandates, subsidies for low income individuals and families, and tax credits used to purchase insurance. &nbsp;Nixon&#8217;s plan, which would have greatly extended the reach of the federal government into health care was opposed by the far right of the Republican Party as much as Obama&#8217;s lack of a public option is opposed today by the far left of the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>For Nixon&#8217;s plan and for Obama&#8217;s plan, the president&#8217;s own party was divided. &nbsp;Accordingly, it becomes irrelevant that Nixon did not have a majority Republican controlled congress as enjoyed by Obama with a majority Democrat controlled Congress, or vice versa.</p>
<p>Interestingly, too, is that Ted Kennedy was instrumental in defeating the Nixon health care plan. &nbsp;Although it called for tax subsidies and credits to enable the uninsured and poor to purchase health insurance, just as the Democrat&#8217;s then wanted and as the Democrat plan today does, the Nixon plan was to be administered through the states and not the federal government, which Teddy found abusive to the general public!</p>
<p>Consider this quote from a history of Nixon&#8217;s health care plan:<br />
&#8220;<i>He [Nixon] could rarely find unity among his own party. &nbsp;Democrats began responding to Nixon&#8217;s partisan politics by showing a surprising degree of party unity.</i>&#8221; &nbsp;(Timothy J. Conlan, <i>The Politics of Federal Block Grants</i>, Political Science Quarterly, vol. 99, iss. 2, pp. 247-270, at 255).</p>
<p>Replace Nixon with Obama and switch the party identifications in the above quote and what is old is new again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>90% of blacks voted for Obama over Clinton, both are Democrats.&#160; That supports the conclusion that an overwhelming amount of blacks are racist.&#160; Had&#160;Clinton gotten&#160;90% of the white vote against Obama, the lamestream media would have complained about white racism on a daily basis and Sharpton would have been protesting on a daily basis.&#160;

Sharpton had stated that if Clinton won the nomination by getting the super delegate vote then he would engineer protests.&#160; That is another example of racism.&#160; Meanwhile, Obama was caught spending 20 years in a racist church and he was not held accountable.&#160; To this day he has never apologized for being a member in good standing of that hell hole.&#160; On top of this the blacks in the Democrat party had the audacity to label Bill Clinton as a racist.

If you still want to claim blacks are not racist then put down whatever it is that you are smoking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90% of blacks voted for Obama over Clinton, both are Democrats.&nbsp; That supports the conclusion that an overwhelming amount of blacks are racist.&nbsp; Had&nbsp;Clinton gotten&nbsp;90% of the white vote against Obama, the lamestream media would have complained about white racism on a daily basis and Sharpton would have been protesting on a daily basis.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Sharpton had stated that if Clinton won the nomination by getting the super delegate vote then he would engineer protests.&nbsp; That is another example of racism.&nbsp; Meanwhile, Obama was caught spending 20 years in a racist church and he was not held accountable.&nbsp; To this day he has never apologized for being a member in good standing of that hell hole.&nbsp; On top of this the blacks in the Democrat party had the audacity to label Bill Clinton as a racist.</p>
<p>If you still want to claim blacks are not racist then put down whatever it is that you are smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Proudmilitarymom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proudmilitarymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent quite some time at that site today- lots and lots of great info. I plan on going back and rereading - I am sure the more I read it, the more I will get out of it. Well worth the time! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent quite some time at that site today- lots and lots of great info. I plan on going back and rereading &#8211; I am sure the more I read it, the more I will get out of it. Well worth the time!</p>
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		<title>By: armymom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/41445/the-elephant-in-the-blue-room/#comment-1302754</link>
		<dc:creator>armymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to tell you this, as it will not be believed by you anyways. But my accountant couldn&#039;t believe that I or anyone else benefited from Bushy&#039;s tax cut. You see, her and her husband were head of our county&#039;s Democratic leadership. She works for the state and does some accounting work on the side. When I insisted that we did benefit, she went back through our taxes, two years worth and realized that by God, we did. She then when through several other customers and she had to admit that it did help them as well. We aren&#039;t rich, hell we&#039;re just middle class, but it still helped us. For it to go away will really hurt us. ANd she didn&#039;t vote for the imposter, she was a Hillary fan all the way.

But let&#039;s just keep playing this game that it only helped the &quot;rich folks&quot;. I sure it helped them as well, but I know for a fact it helped our family. More so than this supposedly 95% of all Americans getting a tax break shit that Obama did. My husband and I still haven&#039;t figured out how the hell it helped us. Our paychecks didn&#039;t change that we could tell. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to tell you this, as it will not be believed by you anyways. But my accountant couldn&#8217;t believe that I or anyone else benefited from Bushy&#8217;s tax cut. You see, her and her husband were head of our county&#8217;s Democratic leadership. She works for the state and does some accounting work on the side. When I insisted that we did benefit, she went back through our taxes, two years worth and realized that by God, we did. She then when through several other customers and she had to admit that it did help them as well. We aren&#8217;t rich, hell we&#8217;re just middle class, but it still helped us. For it to go away will really hurt us. ANd she didn&#8217;t vote for the imposter, she was a Hillary fan all the way.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s just keep playing this game that it only helped the &#8220;rich folks&#8221;. I sure it helped them as well, but I know for a fact it helped our family. More so than this supposedly 95% of all Americans getting a tax break shit that Obama did. My husband and I still haven&#8217;t figured out how the hell it helped us. Our paychecks didn&#8217;t change that we could tell.</p>
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		<title>By: armymom</title>
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		<dc:creator>armymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, having been a democrat for over 35 years, until this past year, right now I&#039;ll be part of the party of HELL NO. As in HELL NO, we don&#039;t want this POS healthcare takeover bill. HELL NO, we&#039;re tired of the spending, the pork, the ear marks. Do we like Obama&#039;s policies. HELL NO. Now is that clear enough for you kool aid drinkers.

I want my party back. Until then, count me in as a contributing member of the HELL NO party until we can get some kind of sanity back into this country. Do I like the job Obama is doing? HELL NO </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, having been a democrat for over 35 years, until this past year, right now I&#8217;ll be part of the party of HELL NO. As in HELL NO, we don&#8217;t want this POS healthcare takeover bill. HELL NO, we&#8217;re tired of the spending, the pork, the ear marks. Do we like Obama&#8217;s policies. HELL NO. Now is that clear enough for you kool aid drinkers.</p>
<p>I want my party back. Until then, count me in as a contributing member of the HELL NO party until we can get some kind of sanity back into this country. Do I like the job Obama is doing? HELL NO</p>
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		<title>By: whoframedrudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoframedrudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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Party of No? &#160;Why would Republicans vote for a bill they don&#039;t like &lt;em&gt;and their constituents don&#039;t want&lt;/em&gt;? &#160;In this case, Republicans have done the will of the people.

Right now, I think the Dems are the Party of No. &#160;As in &quot;Reality? &#160;No, no, no!&quot;

I see they&#039;ve rebooted the troll server. &#160;That system crash after Massachusetts must have been a doozy!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party of No? &nbsp;Why would Republicans vote for a bill they don&#8217;t like <em>and their constituents don&#8217;t want</em>? &nbsp;In this case, Republicans have done the will of the people.</p>
<p>Right now, I think the Dems are the Party of No. &nbsp;As in &#8220;Reality? &nbsp;No, no, no!&#8221;</p>
<p>I see they&#8217;ve rebooted the troll server. &nbsp;That system crash after Massachusetts must have been a doozy!</p>
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		<title>By: Hokma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hokma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackie - Keep drinking the socialist ideology of Democrats. The Democrat idea for healthcare reform results in government control (which no one wants and has not worked in Canada or Europe) but Americans don&#039;t want that. So they try to extend medicare to younger age people by cutting medicare/medicaid benefits to older people but Americans did not want that. And then they try to put taxes on employers and insurance companies (which any non-dimwitted American knows gets passed along to average Americans) so Americans don&#039;t want that either. And in the end they still are not insuring everyone and the costs by the CGO are going up anyway unless the Democrats can create a perfect storm of economic events. I think that pretty much sums up the chaos you call the democrat idea for healthcare reform.

Obama spoke about healthcare experts - unfortunately they are not in his administration. The large majority of physicians all agree that a major cost of healthcare increases are ambulance chasing lawyers who convince people to sue doctors and hospitals for everything. The implications affect malpractice insurance which affects costs, wich affects healthcare insurance. It also forces more procedures because of CYA which affects costs which affects your healthcare insruance. Apparently Democrats are too busy counting the trial attorney campaign contributions to figure out those equations.

The other major problem is the lack of competition. Democrats think that the government creates competition (which the majority of Americans don&#039;t believe) and the GOP rightly believes that if you allow interstate competition then the market will force down prices. The democrats have no evidence to support their argument while the GOP has decades of evidence to support theirs.

And regarding across the board tax cuts, it affects everyone and does results in economic growth. The GOP has decades of evidence to support their claim and Democrats have none except urban myths. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackie &#8211; Keep drinking the socialist ideology of Democrats. The Democrat idea for healthcare reform results in government control (which no one wants and has not worked in Canada or Europe) but Americans don&#8217;t want that. So they try to extend medicare to younger age people by cutting medicare/medicaid benefits to older people but Americans did not want that. And then they try to put taxes on employers and insurance companies (which any non-dimwitted American knows gets passed along to average Americans) so Americans don&#8217;t want that either. And in the end they still are not insuring everyone and the costs by the CGO are going up anyway unless the Democrats can create a perfect storm of economic events. I think that pretty much sums up the chaos you call the democrat idea for healthcare reform.</p>
<p>Obama spoke about healthcare experts &#8211; unfortunately they are not in his administration. The large majority of physicians all agree that a major cost of healthcare increases are ambulance chasing lawyers who convince people to sue doctors and hospitals for everything. The implications affect malpractice insurance which affects costs, wich affects healthcare insurance. It also forces more procedures because of CYA which affects costs which affects your healthcare insruance. Apparently Democrats are too busy counting the trial attorney campaign contributions to figure out those equations.</p>
<p>The other major problem is the lack of competition. Democrats think that the government creates competition (which the majority of Americans don&#8217;t believe) and the GOP rightly believes that if you allow interstate competition then the market will force down prices. The democrats have no evidence to support their argument while the GOP has decades of evidence to support theirs.</p>
<p>And regarding across the board tax cuts, it affects everyone and does results in economic growth. The GOP has decades of evidence to support their claim and Democrats have none except urban myths.</p>
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		<title>By: whoframedrudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoframedrudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems are now worse than the Republicans. &#160;Because the Dems attacked Republican voters. &#160;Hillary scorched Republican elites, but never attacked American voters.

I can&#039;t think of a precedent for Speaker Pelosi&#039;s and Jimmy Carter&#039;s disgusting smears on dissenting voters. &#160;The closest is Spiro Agnew&#039;s attacks on anti-Viet Nam war protestors. &#160;But Carter was worse -- he&#039;s a former President. &#160;And calling protestors &#039;racists&#039; is worse than calling them &#039;drugged out hippies.&#039; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems are now worse than the Republicans. &nbsp;Because the Dems attacked Republican voters. &nbsp;Hillary scorched Republican elites, but never attacked American voters.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a precedent for Speaker Pelosi&#8217;s and Jimmy Carter&#8217;s disgusting smears on dissenting voters. &nbsp;The closest is Spiro Agnew&#8217;s attacks on anti-Viet Nam war protestors. &nbsp;But Carter was worse &#8212; he&#8217;s a former President. &nbsp;And calling protestors &#8216;racists&#8217; is worse than calling them &#8216;drugged out hippies.&#8217;</p>
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