I Don’t Know How

As I have always said 2 terms and your out after that they are not there for you they are there to line their pockets. When I see them all come out and put their faces on TV they act like they are stars all theyare is a worker for us but they just don’t get it.  They think that we have to agree with everything they say well not anymore vote them all out and maybe just maybe someone will listen to what WE have to say.

“When one party controls everything then we are up a creek without a paddle. It is time for us to balance everything again.”

Wise words. Where were you 6 years ago? Your hybernation lasted too long…

The Republicans are awful
So we vote in the Democrats
The Democrats are awful
And so we vote in the Republicans

Will we ever again find blissful gridlock?

Sounds like a plan to me.

I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter which party is in “control” of the WH or Congress…..they have the same “Boss” behind the scenes and they are just the front men.  The American people just think we are the ones who hired these yokels.  Hate to disappoint anyone but that just isn’t true….at least not for the White House.  These people are groomed for years to be selected President.  The fact that it is really obvious with Obama ought to be a clue. I even suspect that Brown was thrown in as a ringer as a warning to Obama.  The powers-that-be don’t mind if the people are out of jobs for awhile but they don’t want things to go off-kilter for very long because it begins to mess with their money and, without money, the power is diluted.  The American people need to start looking behind Obama and whoever else is President from now on.   That is where the real tale is being told.

I hate to have to agree with you, Lonni, but you are so right.  I think the saddest part about this entire topic is that it points out how very stupid we, the voters, actually are since we get sucked into this insanity every time there is choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee.  But since we have so few choices among the fools that run for office, we need to send the House and the Senate folks to the unemployment lines and simply start again.  This is our only “hope” of any “change” in this nation.  Even that is no guarantee but to keep doing the same thing over and over again is pure madness on the voters part.

I agree that we need new blood.  But as we vote them out, how do we know we will get better ones in?  That’s the thing.  Sometimes we do get a good one in there.  Should we always vote them out or kick them out when their term limits are up?  The real effort should be in grooming young people who will serve the country the right way.  To do that, we really need to make it possible to allow them to run for office without having to raise vast amounts of money.

One of my favorite politicians, a woman, Pat Schroeder, cried as she gave up her run for POTUS because she was unwilling to be beholden to the money people whe would have had to court to make that run.  People laughed at her for that.  (I know there are many Reagon fans here, but I always loved her for her sense of humor, which she used often agains Ronnie Raygun.  She is the one who coined the term, “Teflon President.”)

     Makes you wonder what message Bush Senior and Jeb brought to the White House 2 days ago?

When I see the capital that BO made off of the House Republican meeting, I wonder how the Repubs could have been so stupid as to let BO bring in C-Span when otherwise everything Dem is behind closed doors. Repubs don’t need to let BO make political hay off of them. See BO’s Rasmussen is up to -7.
I, too, think it’s one big boys’ club.

I believe the idea of the Founding Fathers was for the wheels of government to grind incredibly slowly.  They had a visceral distrust of government.  So should we.

The less government does, the better.

Here’s an old anthem by The Who for the new wonder years:

Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that’s all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
‘Cause the banners, they’ve all flown in the last war

I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again

There’s nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

(Here comes the new boss–just like the old boss)

It kind of simulated that the republicans are involved in current legislation, which they aren’t. It simulated that things are being done in the open, which they are not. It is like kabuki… no, really it’s more like WWE. The big bad evil republicans just pulled a chair and hit the righteous Obama over the head with it. This is just sweet feed for the sheeple. Horsehockey really. I no longer believe in the process.

That’s just because Obama is much, much smarter than those Republican clowns, and he knows policy like the back of his hand, and he’s right about almost all those issues. He made them look like the disengenuous fools that they are. I’ve missed this Obama. I hope he sticks around. 

Well, it looks like Obama is practicing for his post-presidential career. This off the CNN Ticker..

“Obama took a turn at the CBS microphone during the Georgetown/Duke college basketball game Saturday that was also attended by Vice President Biden, and several senior White House staffers including Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, Dan Pfeiffer, Robert Gibbs and Mona Sutphen.
One fan at the game wondered, “If they’re all in here, then who’s running the country?”

And Obama was seen clapping for Duke, at a Hoyas game in DC. Ooops!!

Oh, you’re right, Guest.  I had forgotten how much more intelligent Thee One is than mortal men.  I missed Him too.  I wonder where He was?

I’ve been screaming “TERM LIMITS” for decades!  3 max – no lobbying allowed for at least 5 yrs after your term(s) end.
PERIOD

dst, it is more likely that Obama was begging them for help with the Republicans in Congress. He seems to prefer that other fight his battles for him.

The “FIRE CONGRESS” sticker reminded me of a comment I read a few days ago.
After spending the country into the biggest deficit hole in history, now comes the president preaching the virtue of fiscal restraint. Obama is like the arsonist who thinks he deserves credit for phoning the fire department.

roflol!!  good analogy

all hail the PIN BALL WIZARD!!

Echo:  Your comment reminds me of a movie I just watched of Elizabeth I.  She had a very hard-working, well-intentioned Council in the early years of her reign, but as she grew older she claimed everyone at Court was just out for themselves and they made policies for the country that helped them and their friends and no one cared what happened to the country or the people.

Interesting.

Yes, and now with the recent Supreme Court decision, it seems inevitable that no candidate will be able to run for office without corporate backing–the corps can put endless money into the media.  So let’s see, who will we have sitting in Congress . . .

this is what happens when we grow OLD and see the stupid repeats of POWER vs TRUTH and how often they don’t mix.

saddddddddd

I think he’s really starting to get sorry he went along with DNC plan to install him and run his WH.  Don’t know if he ever would have been prez material otherwise, but he’s cooked now.

Yep Lady D–term limits sound like a good idea. Problem is–why would any legislator who places self-interest before national-interest ever vote to limit his own term?  Here’s an idea–make it like a union vote where union members are enticed into approving a give-back that isn’t going to apply for several years, and then perhaps only for new members.  In legislative terms: term limits do not apply to sitting members of Congress, or only after 8 years or so.  Cynical?  You Bet!  But how else can we ever get these blood-suckers to vote for something that is not in their self-interest?

I totally agree, Lonni.  That is why the thought of Hillary whom they did not think they could control, terrified them.

Diane,

As I have posted on NQ many times before, if we want a real chance at voting in those candidates who truly run on being a servant of the people and not special interests, then we, first, must take back our elections. 

Election integrity advocates have proven that electronic voting is secret and can be easily manipulated without detection, elections procedures and laws are not being followed and are not transparent either.  The powers that be hide behind the secrecy in which our elections are administered to put only those candidates running who they can trust to keep the secrets and do as they’re told by the power elite.

I find it alarming that the American people can easily and readily see the dangers of unbridled corporate money in elections but somehow, don’t make the same connection with corporately-owned voting machines and electiom officials who are totally beholden to the voting machine vendor to run their elections is an even greater danger to citizens being able to elect their representatives.

We must follow Germany’s example and ban electronic voting and return to elections that are totally transparent and where citizens can see their votes being publicly counted by hand.  No back room counting or relocating of the ballots.  Right there at the precinct when the polls close out in the open for all to see.  That’s how we’ll take back our elections and then take back our country.

Guest,

Still deluded after all this past year, are you?

Kathleen,

After the caucuses during the primary, you don’t have to work hard to convince me of the problems with our election system.  When I go to the polls every time, I am never convinced that my vote is being counted as it should be.

Thank you for pointing out what I should have also included in my comment:  the need for total reform of our voting process.

you cannot mean this, can you?:

http://sirrealpolitik.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/93/

lonni,

you can’t mean THIS, can you?:
http://sirrealpolitik.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/93/

In the collection that Pat sent were a few bumper stickers I left out to give the thread a chance to roll a bit before the trolls hit.  Here are a few left out.

Of course the green one below will need a peel off number, like the lottery signs.  And, what can I say?  Ford is turning a profit.  I might have to find an old VW van to display all these stickers.  Remember those days when liberal meant your shared your stash?

So, “Kabuki Obama” it is. But like I said, Myself, I almost am at the point of not caring anymore. When this thing collapses, maybe we will learn something for next time when we rebuild. Kabuki Obama isn’t smart, he’s slick. It’s not the same thing.

They would never vote Nancy Pelosi out.  Her constituents  place crotch before county.

They would never vote Nancy Pelosi out.  Her constituents  place crotch before country.

I was scanning TV and stopped on MSLSD (yes, I know.  I do it so you don’t have to.)  They had Rachael, Kieth and Chris all on at the same time discussing how, after the SOTU and the GOP retreat Obama proved he is the smartest president ever and maybe even the smartest person in America.  I guess everyone here caught the smartest man in America reciting lines “All men created equal” during the SOTU address and attributing the words to a little document called the constitution.  That was my backpack.

FLDemFem, the only one with any sense is the fan who made the utterance.

       FLDemFem      He, BO, certainly holds the cards on how far he investigates the Bush who was not there.

Can I steal this????

Do.  Abby Hoffman would be proud.

There Is No Barack Obama.

Unfortunately, we who want things to reform do not have the power to make it happen. Those who currently hold the power prevent it. Why should those who have benefited from scammed caucuses, gerrymandering, and crooked elections want to change anything.
Hey, I have a load of absentee ballots in my trunk!

He doesn’t need to investigate G.W. Bush, he signed an Executive Order that allows Interpol to come and arrest him, fly him out of the country, and let the International Court in the Hague try him. So all he has to do is wait for the Europeans to do it for him. As I said, he prefers that others fight his battles for him.

I’d love to see how “the smartest man in America” would do on Jeopardy, even with categories like “U.S. Constitution,” “Presidents of the U.S.,” “U.S.  History,” “The Supreme Court,” and “The 57 States.”

I`ll take Saul Alinsky for 200 Alex.

sowsear,

To believe in the power of a united citzenry.  Election reform will come when enough Americans are fed up with the representatives that are placed into office by those who do not have our’s or our country’s best interests at heart.

Many believed the Tea Party movement was a waste of time and would fade away, but it hasn’t.  That’s what I am working toward making happen in building a critical mass of citizens who still believe in who we are and are willing to fight for the most precious right we have — elections — which must be put back into the hands of the citizens.  Elections are what make a democratic republic legitimate.

It is my hope that we can persuade the Tea Party movement to join those of us in the election reform movement.  Together, we can create the kind of change that all Americans can believe in — fair, honest, transparent elections overseen by we, the people.

What makes you think that recent elections weren’t bought by corporate interests through their lobbyists.  We have the best politicians big money can buy.

Where were the teleprompters?  I bet this segment was tape delayed.

     “As I said, he prefers that others fight his battles for him.”   Won’t argue that point b/c I couldn’t agree more , but I doubt’s Interpol would do this w/o his go-ahead and after MassachusettEs that doesn’t seem likely to me. If he was still polling in the 60′s all bets would be off.

Is this why smarty pants won’t let us see his fabulous grades at Harvard and Columbia and all those penetrating editorials he never wrote for the Harvard Review, and his citizenship delcared on applications for entrance?  My, my, the Ivy League, aren’t they just special? 

His lazy ass would do well to get straight C’s in most any classroom around here.  He hasn’t a hint of what real life is all about.

I guess everyone here caught the smartest man in America reciting lines “All men created equal” during the SOTU address and attributing the words to a little document called the constitution.

For Xsake, give the Indonesian a break!

He would be fed the questions ahead of time, just like for the debates. I wonder if it’s not time to start planning for the collapse of things, instead of using effort fighting the eventuality of it all.

A man speaks out against the pips-squeak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuvcOj602eE

Lonni—Your assessment has proven to be right, but remember we’ve only had men leading the country.  What a tragedy that no woman of any party has ever been allowed to be President. In my opinion, everything is moot, and will never change, until we abandon the patriarchal hold both political parties have over us.  But too many  people, ignorant men and submissive women, like to gloss over our horrid sexist past…… so it’s been a difficult struggle at best.

All of that “bounce” comes from dems. They’re “in love again.”

Independents are still fleeing, even after his “outreach to GOP.”

I’m an independent and thought he was still arrogant and condescending. Nothing has changed. He’s blown his political capital.

I didn’t know Alex had a sobriquet.

He also made factual errors during the retreat.Another thing–if you listen to him careful–just the construct of sentences he (and his wife) slaugter the Queen’s English.

We have term limits in Colorado, as in other states.  I remember that movement growing slowly state-by-state when it happened.  I would love to see someone bring up in some state legislature a bill to make all elections in the state have to have votes counted by hand. 

The problem will be with the media, who like to get viewers as results come in.  They don’t want to have to wait for counted ballots. 

My neighbor has a big window sticker on the back window of his truck. It says, RE-ELECT NO ONE! I love it. Time to give somebody else a chance. Maybe THEY will get the message we are are sending, you work for us, listen to us, and get it right. No more back-room late night deals,work for the best interest of the citizens and our country!

Cindy, you need to go yell at NOW, they endorsed Obama over Hillary. You remember NOW, don’t you, the National Organization for Women?? My mother was a charter member and she would have been appalled at their endorsing an empty suit with no record over Hillary Clinton. So if you want to get all indignant, don’t come here and yell at the Hillary supporters. who still want her to run, go yell at NOW, who endorsed an unqualified man over a qualified woman. They are the real sexists.

Diane,
I love Pat Schroeder and gave money for her run for the WH.  A sad day when she dropped out.

I want to see his scholarship applications. If he got a scholarship for foreign students, he had to sign an affidavit that he was, in fact, a citizen of another country. If he did that, he is either guilty of perjury, grand theft by fraud, etc. or he is not eligible for the presidency. Either way, he is toast. Anyone want to take bets on whether the SCOTUS is now more inclined to order those records released??

Diana,

I agree that the media would be a problem; for that matter, so would our government which sanctioned these machines without any public debate in order to get the people’s opinion on these machines we were about to purchase to the tune of billions of dollars.

I have always contended that “you can’t fix a broken system with a broken system” and have no illusions that we are facing a major fight to take back our elections.  It will not be easy, but we must try because the alternative is too depressing to consider.  

I, along with many other citizens, have been working to bring about “real” reform in how our elections are administered for the past 7 years.  Believe me, we’ve run the gamut in trying different strategies to get the public engaged and motivated to join us in this fight.

I can tell you that there is planning going on right now in developing the next strategy (it’s different than all the others), which we hope will be the key to motivating the masses. 

NQ, has been extremely supportive and helpful to election integrity advocacy by allowing us to have a “live chat” discussing the election issue and posting articles I have written about this issue.  I know they will be there to help us any way they can whenever we call upon them.  I sincerely hope that all who visit this wonderfully patriotic site will do the same. 

Lonni-  I am very proud of you and most people who comment here. I have no idea what FlDemFem is talking about. Honestly, I don’t.
My anger is directed at our patriarchal society, not at anyone here at No Quarter. How FLDemFem  gleaned that fallacy from what I said is incredible.
My apologies to anyone who thought I was dissing NoQ Hillary supporters. That’s just insane.

FLDemFem,
I’d like to see tha myself but we need a lower (trial) court to rule on it-then the Supremes could uphold the ruling.

I have only one concern about sweeping out congress, women are always the first to go. We’ve only got 17% representation in congress and both parties view female candidates as soft targets. They lack the political backing and power to withstand these kind of sweeps. Already Dems pretty much threw Coakley on the sacrificial table, now Harold Ford is trying to push out Gillibrand. All over the country you see this same scenario, if it’s not a Republican trying to take out a female Dem, it’s the Dem powers that be saying here, shoot this one, we don’t like her anyway!

Things will never get better if we continue to deny ourselves  the talents of half the human race.

This isn’t the only thread you have posted on. And you basically called me a sexist because I admired LBJ’s ability to work with Congress and get bills that really made a difference to the American people through Congress. You got all hot and bothered because he hadn’t taken on women’s rights along with AA rights in the 60′s. You trashed one of our best presidents because he didn’t live up to your expectations of what he should have done for women. What the Equal Pay Act wasn’t enough for him to do in the 60′s?? It’s not like he didn’t have anything else to do. Just curious, what have you done for women’s rights, besides bitch and moan about them??

Owawa, you asked, “I’d love to see how “the smartest man in America” would do on Jeopardy“

Well, I think Bill Clinton would do just fine. Teehee.

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If all this is true, and I would bet my privates, although I am 73, that it is, I would also bet that the virtually the entire Obama inside staff plus the upper echelon of the D party new.  Would they not be subject to the same laws of the CONSTITUTION, and guilty of complicity or something, whatever, I want their asses in jail, and I want Pelosi and Reid to share the same cell.

And not just NOW, but also Emily’s List. They had the temerity to call and ask me to donate so they could help the campaigns of deserving women. I let the caller know in no uncertain terms that they could’ve had the best woman in politics today, but instead they supported That One. I told him I would never donate to Emily’s list again.

FlemDem—You’re a very angry person with a potty mouth vocabulary.
Good luck.

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Not necessarily. I read this in the SCOTUS rules…
1. Issuance by the Court of an extraordinary writ authorized by 28 U. S. C. §1651(a) is not a matter of right, but of discretion sparingly exercised. To justify the granting of any such writ, the petition must show that the writ will be in aid of the Court’s appellate jurisdiction, that exceptional circumstances warrant the exercise of the Court’s discretionary powers, and that adequate relief cannot be obtained in any other form or from any other court.

That just might do it. We have to ask jbjd if it will work.

Yttik, get over that sexist shit!  That is so bullshit!  I am  gay, male, and I would vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat.  Your argument is weak.  The talent must be THERE first, as it was with Maggie Thatcher.  If it’s not there maybe it’s because the education was weak.  Voting for a person because she has a vagine is as stupid as HRC stumping for the Fraud because he is a Democrat.  Now, how stupid was that?

Yttik, get over that sexist shit!  That is so bullshit!  I am  gay, male, and I would vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat.  Your argument is weak.  The talent must be THERE first, as it was with Maggie Thatcher.  If it’s not there maybe it’s because the experience or character was weak.  Voting for a person because she has a vagina is as stupid as HRC stumping for the Fraud because he is a Democrat.  Now, how stupid was that?
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I resigned my membership in NOW, which I have had since the formation of NOW, with a letter telling them exactly what I thought of their betrayal of the women of America. My mother was dead by the time they did that to us, but I also told them that I and my three sisters and their six daughters, would no longer be supporting their organization. I got an email back saying that they did what they thought their membership wanted, and I wrote back and said, NO YOU DIDN’T. Then I put them on the spam list for my email.

Portia—glad you did what you did. Incredible, isn’t it?
I worked with Democratic bigwigs all of my adult life. And I mean some of the big dogs.
The party always promised us ”our time would come” if we’d just continue our allegiance to the Dems.   Roe v. Wade  was how they kept alot of us hanging on for so long.
 Well, now I’m a grandmother, and they’re still lying to us, still scaring us with Roe, and still NO woman President or VP.
 I’m sick of it. 

FLDemFem,
What do you think the words  ”the writ will be in aid of the Court’s appellate jurisdiction…” mean.  I’m not a liscenced lawyer but I’d wager that a lower court first has to rule.  I think your reading more into this.
Having said that, if you could elucidate the “exceptional circummstamces” as stated above that would warrant the court using its “…discretionary powers..” , I am certainly willing to read it but as of now my opinion is that a lower court must first rule.

Diana—I LOVED Pat Schroeder! I’m so glad you mentioned her.
What a woman….and she SHOULD have been President. Shirley Chisholm, too.

The National American Woman Suffrage Association put aside their cause for equal rights in the 1860s to help the negros and then, when it was their (the womens) turn there were very few men standing beside them. 

Woman’s rights activists were thrown by the Fourteenth Amendment. “If that word ‘male’ be inserted as now proposed, it will take us a century at least to get it out again,” warned Stanton. Stanton, Eighty Years and More (New York: European Pub. Co., 1898), 242. Excluded from the Fifteenth Amendment too, women recognized that the universal suffrage movement had failed them. So too had Douglass. Between 1865 and 1870, he split from woman’s rights activists over the question of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Douglass and most abolitionists called it the “Negro’s Hour,” while Stanton and others were furious at the exclusion of women.

So.  What has changed?

AC, it was this that caught my eye when reading the rules..
that exceptional circumstances warrant the exercise of the Court’s discretionary powers, and that adequate relief cannot be obtained in any other form or from any other court.

If those requirements can stand on their own without an appellate court, then it may be possible.  It may be that the SCOTUS can  hear any case they want to, whether or not it comes up from a lower court. We really need to find out. After all, the exceptional circumstances could be that political influence on the lower court judges might negate justice. Obama does have the power to influence judges, and his organization isn’t above acting illegally, as we all know.

After being sworn in, wasn’t Obama’s first Executive Order something regarding sealing all his records? I’m sure I read that somewhere, knew then that “transparency” was more “just words”.

I’m a little late to the party tonight, but isn’t this from the album “Won’t Get Fooled Again”, not “Tommy”?

West Va.
Sing it, sister! I have talked about this for decades and I have actually met intelligent women who did not realize that black men were given the right to vote 50 years before women of ANY color. Frederick Douglass didn’t even care enough about black women to fight for their voting rights, while he was basking in his.
Pathetic! And he had lived with Susan Anthony’s family,etc etc…. 
This is why we can’t sit around and heap praise on men of power, living or dead, who have thrown crumbs our way, but not fought for us. Enough!
Thanks for the history lesson, West VA! I appreciate it.
p.s. wasn’t Douglass half white? Or part white?

Oh I love rock trivia–I think it was originally on Who’s Next in the early 70s.

Loved the video!

Guest, it is your opinion that BO is “much, much smarter”.  I don’t think he is as intelligent as everybody tries to make him out to be.  He is just a good speaker.  I didn’t watch the whole charade, but what I did see on the screen was the Repubs giving back just as good as he was trying to give. 

If all this is true, and I would bet my privates, although I am 73, that it is, I would also bet that the virtually the entire Obama inside staff plus the upper echelon of the D party knew.  Would they not be subject to the same laws of the CONSTITUTION, and guilty of complicity or something, whatever, I want their asses in jail, and I want Pelosi and Reid to share the same cell.

Jeb probably is going to be our next CIC….

When ‘TheWon’ got to DC in 2006 he was invited to breakfast at the
White House.  

GWB, Cheney and Rove were the “hosts”.

Jeopardy, LOL gee oowana that would be a killer to watch.

Good post as usual Eastern!!

Good post as usual Eastern!!

atti,

Were you paying attention during the primary and the GE regarding the overwhelming sexism/misogyny spewed at both Hillary and Sarah?

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard men say they wouldn’t vote for a woman no matter what.  Also, when women are in the race, we see just how inept the majority of men are who run for office because women are expected to do their homework, never have a gaffe, always handle themselves with perfect poise under any and all conditions, where we will make excuses for the man for the same thing.

If Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson had ever taken such advice about racism, obama would never have even been considered for the presidency (even if he were the most qualified man in the race); however, in obama’s case, he was the least qualified.  If obama had been a black woman, with the exact same credentials, oratory skills, charisma and experience, SHE would never have even been considered at all.

UGH thought I had deleted that post above no idea why I show as guest…

Things will never get better if we continue to deny ourselves  the talents of half the human race.

Yttik– For some reason, I was verbally assaulted by FlemDem yesterday for saying the same thing.
  Nothing will ever change in this patriarchal society as long as over half the population is ignored, omitted, berated, and beaten. Women’s history is an untold story. And I’m starting to feel like the “feminist movement” has become science fiction.
It’s very depressing to reflect upon.