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The Lyin’ Tamer

A Republican political consultant and spin doctor once gave a young reporter a piece of advice. ”When dealing with a politician think like a lion tamer. Have you ever asked yourself why a lion tamer goes into the ring with a loaded gun at his side? That’s because he knows that even though he’s been around the same lion day after day – and may even have raised the creature since it was a cub – he realizes that at the end of the day the lion is still a lion.”

No doubt working with and around politicians is a risky business. Consider the tawdry, never-ending saga of John Edwards and his merry band of enablers, chief among whom is former Edwards aide Andrew Young, now out baying for blood.

Young and his wife appeared on ABC’s 20/20 recently to empty the X-rated clown car. To hear them tell the story, working for the Edwardses was a mixture of dark and light, Gaslight-meets-Almost Famous, a traveling ego and sex parade financed by eccentric heiress Bunny Mellon, who had held a grudge against Hillary Clinton ever since the then-First Lady allegedly refused to take Mellon’s advice pertaining to changes to a White House garden.

Given the fact that this story has been dragging its way in and out of the news for the better part of a year and a half, it’s fair to ask why it remains newsworthy. Why Young and his wife are so forthcoming now is no coincidence. As of this writing, the only people who will not have to worry about finances from now on are the Edwardses. Rielle Hunter and the Youngs will probably never be able to work again. Hunter will receive support payments from Edwards. The Youngs are finished in politics. All parties will rack up heavy legal bills while under investigation by the FEC and the IRS – but only the Edwardses can afford to shoulder this financial burden.

The issue is not how could John Edwards have been so reckless (because he thought he wouldn’t get caught) or whether it’s been decided who the victim is (hands down: the child. The rest of the adults, even the candidate’s cancer-stricken wife, all played along for the cameras. At least for a while).

The issue that continues to matter is image and illusion. Campaigns are like performances – how you interpret the action depends on whether you’re watching the actors on stage or backstage observing the crew frantically pulling the ropes and running around moving the backdrops. The repercussions of the great Shame of 2008 continues to play on the stage even though the Edwardses have been relegated to the sidelines for the most part.

Pulling off the John and Elizabeth 2008 Tour would have stretched the patience and imagination of even the most hardened rock and roll road manager. Imagine your boss ordering you and your spouse to make room for his pregnant mistress in your home. And then move you, your family and the woman from home to home. And expect you to claim paternity. And ask you to help fake a paternity test. And all during a presidential campaign, not while touring as the opening act for Van Halen. It would appear that Young finally decided to spill the beans because the job Edwards had promised him running a foundation for the poor (!) and financed by Mellon didn’t materialize.

While the Youngs justify their actions by saying they were caught up in the thrill of working for a man who could be president — you know, For The Good Of The Country — surely even they knew that Edwards’ candidacy was the proverbial pinless grenade. They also never articulate WHY they thought Edwards should be elected to the nation’s highest office – apart from their own person gain of course. Why else would two seemingly sane adults agree to have their lives taken over and turned upside down to benefit the career of a selfish, egotistical man?

The press is largely to blame for this fiasco. They missed a huge story that they chose to ignore despite the National Enquirer’s dogged coverage – including pictures – and the candidate’s grotesquely indiscreet behavior. They created the campaign’s archetypes – Son of a Mill Worker with Cancer-Stricken Wife Defying the Odds, First Lady-Turned-Senator Who Overcame Betrayal and Her Lothario Husband, Scrappy Surprise Pick Republican Vice Presidential Candidate and Her Colorfully-Named Family, Flinty Patriot and Vietnam War Hero Political Maverick (here’s an alternate view)….the problem was that once the script was written it didn’t change. The Clintons are racists? If you say so we’ll run with it. Elizabeth Edwards selflessly and bravely persuaded her husband to continue his campaign despite her grim cancer diagnosis? Great story. Let the presses role. Barack Obama’s value as a symbol of How Far We’ve Come is more important than determining whether he’s got what it takes to fix the wreckage left behind by 8 years of Bush-Cheney? Give that man a Nobel Prize. No wonder the media don’t know what to do now. The templates they created during the campaign are significantly at odds with the reality that played out afterwards. Crafting these narratives is easy and ultimately serves to drive conventional wisdom for good or ill. But if the traveling press corps – especially the media assigned to the Edwards campaign – could have missed a story so obvious that it may as well have jumped up and down waving its arms yelling “look over here! I’m a story!”, who knows what other facts the voters were kept in the dark about?

One inevitable result of press missteps of this nature is the creation of a ripe atmosphere for conspiracy theory, which only serves to disinform and encourage cynicism and irrational fear.

As the fallout resulting from the media’s carelessness is surveyed, here’s one thing you’re unlikely to see from the reporters and editors responsible for the coverage: An apology.

Back to the lion tamer. He managed to escape relatively unscathed. The lion is back in its cage and will probably be sent to the lion equivalent of the glue factory. The crowd watching the show narrowly avoided being eaten. And no refunds will be granted at the door.


Cross Post from The Pakistan Update

  • Craig Della Penna

    “Bunny Mellon, who had held a grudge against Hillary Clinton ever since the then-First Lady allegedly refused to take Mellon’s advice pertaining to changes to a White House garden.”

    So, this is why Edwards stayed in the race and handed Iowa to BO(zo)? We got BO(zo) instead of HRC because Bunny Melon had a hissy fit?

    Talk about valueless decisions affecting history… what a waste.

  • candymarl

    I beg to differ. Cynicism is sometimes warranted. Fear is not irrational it’s an innate survival tool. Only fools are never afraid. Of course “conspriacy theorists” are run amok. Too bad about that attack by the Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin that never happened. But that too was dismissed as a conspriacy theory. Oh – and governments never lie. Really. Trust me.

  • jangles

    Do we get what we ask for?  Those narratives that the press pushed are the stories voters wanted to hear?  It’s all about ratings.  Yet it is amazing that even Fox news failed to go after the Edwards story.  And the msm loves to dismiss the Enquirer as “not journalism”.

  • stodghie

    nail em up, no offense! i thank you for the article and it is interesting. but i have to shake my head at our concern for edwards when our country is falling apart. that seems to be the public’s problem. we get caught up in this long ago dead drama while our country is raped by rapicous politicans. this may well be some type of story that reflects the dc chaos i admit.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I can’t help but wonder what might have been if Edwards had endorsed Hillary…

  • Docelder

    I wonder why this John Edwards stuff is all coming out now. I almost think we are going to see him haunting around Iowa next year. I have a sick feeling that the people who voted for Obama would just as soon vote for Edwards in 2012. I saw an article on another site yesterday where somebody was talking up the political wisdom of Jeb Bush for laying low and saying he looked Presidential now. Is this all just a bad dream? Or, are we really going down this fast?

  • lightacandle

    Maybe I’m fairly alone in this, but I choose to cut Elizabeth Edwards some slack.

    Unless and until one is faced with cancer and the knowledge that it is incurable — and one has two small, sweet, vulnerable children who might have to live with the woman whom one hates more than anyone in the world — it is impossible to imagine the physical, mental and emotional pain and anguish Elizabeth Edwards is coping with.

    Did she hope her husband would become president?

    Yes.

    Is that a crime?

    Is it even very unusual among politicians’ wives?

    No.

    There have been many wives who tried as best they could to advance their husband’s political careers.

    Is it a crime to talk tough only if one is a woman?  Men talk much tougher than Elizabeth Edwards ever did, but that is supposedly a sign to most people that the man is appropriately aggressive.

    God help women; they cannot win, ever.

  • AC

    Nail Em Up,
    I read one of your links in this store–sounds like a good argument for limiting the wealthy/corporate voice (money) in national politics.

  • Visitor

    For her sake and that of her children Elizabeth should have told Edwards to step down.  But she didn’t. And remember she went full steam ahead attacking Hillary.  

  • oowawa

    (German old saying)

    Wenn das Spaetzle steht, der Sinn vergeht. 

    When the noodle stands, sense goes out the window.

  • lightacandle

    I think we have to consider that she was probably taking powerful medicines that could have had an effect on her emotions and on her ability to think clearly. She wanted John to win (string her up), and did all she could to make that come about.

    Do I forgive anyone who trashed Hillary? No.

    But I am willing to consider that when one is battling incurable cancer and has to think about leaving the care of her small children to another woman (THAT woman), one might not be able to think as clearly as one might when healthy.

  • trixta

    It is very sad that Elizabeth is fighting for her life in the face of cancer and I wish her the best on that front.  But my problem with her is twofold:  1) she went along with the scam that was Edward’s campaign, and 2) her hypocrisy about her own marriage.   She often condemned Hillary for the “bad choices” she had made with her marriage and personal life.  Indeed, Elizabeth is the type of person who needs to put someone down to prop herself up.  This type of person is a very low indeed.

  • lightacandle

    I think until very late in the campaign, she believed John’s explnation that it had been just a one-night stand. I think it was only much, much later that she understood it was more than that.

  • Visitor

    Exactly my point. I don’t buy this talk of the medicines impairing her judgment. She knew what she was doing during the campaign, her media appearances and subsequent book tour.  She and Edwards both talked about how to use her cancer to benefit his campaign.  Knowing what she did about her own husband’s behavior she could have eased up on Hillary, but instead she was sent out as “St. Elizabeth” to do the campaign’s dirty work – using a woman to attack the female front runner. Sickening.

  • LisaB

    I think the Edwards story is still relevant.  Not for the facts of the story itself, but for how this all occurred.  Edwards ran twice for national office.  Twice.  He was a viable candidate the second time and certainly a viable candidate for a cabinet position.  Yet despite what many call a “white hot spotlight” of the dogged national press, we ultimately knew next-to-nothing and less-than-needed about this guy.

    Edwards proved to be dishonest, disloyal and manipulative, particularly of those closest to him.  What’s worse is the “dogged national press” had no interest or and possibly no ability to check this guy out.

    So what does the press do?  What of their analyses is worth relying upon if a story as important as this is “inappropriate?”  Inappropriate?  The guy only lied to everyone, manipulated everyone and denied his child.  That’s what we want in  a President? 

    What use is the press if they can miss or choose to not cover this?  What else is “too inappropriate” for them to follow up on??

    The National Enquirer really deserves a  Pulitzer for public service writing IMHO.

  • lightacandle

    Well, I haven’t tracked this saga as well as you and I do not know when Elizabeth understood the full story and when she said that about “using” her cancer.

    We all understand post-partum depression: the whole hormonal sstem is out of whack and women have been known to do what appear to be bizarre things when in the grip of such massive hormonal changes. I would have to assume that what cancer and cancer teeatments can do to some people might be similar.

    The woman is dying; can we at least cut her some slack now?

  • Docelder

    Yes, like the line that Hillary “couldn’t run her own household”. I remember Mechelle using that one. I have no sympathy for most of our current political class as individuals.

  • Rosa

    Isn’t this considered fraud about campaign contributions?   talk about acorn ,this is on a wealthier level!        Wheres the investigation on the money?

    Huffman, who speaks to Bunny daily and visits her often, told me he’s “chagrined” by his role in the scandal. “Bunny laughed when all of this came out,” Huffman says. “She said, ‘Bryan, who would have thought that our little furniture business would have turned into such a federal case?’ We called it ‘the furniture business’—that’s what the checks said they were for—a table or something like that. It turned out that the ‘furniture business’ was not a very good idea.”

  • Visitor

    Once all the excitement about the sex aspects of the story have died down he misuse of campaign funds will be the kicker.  That and the IRS investigations into the hush money that was passed around.  

  • lightacandle

    I think that early on the press guys decided to back Obama, and to them Edwards’ endorsement of Obama was very important. Therefore, there was no way they were going to “out” Edwards — it would have subtracted from the importance of his endorsement of The One.

  • AC

    Rosa,
    I agree, and they should charge them under RICO with money laundering–I could care less how old she is!  Robber Baron Rich Bitch, my grandmother would kick her ass.

  • Steve Judd

    This is a superbly written and thoughtful post. I look forward to your work a lot, and you are a welcome addition to this blog in my opinion.

  • EllenD

    Bunny, Buffy, Biff, Skip, Buzz – any of these rich family eastern establishment nicknames should raise a red flag at any time.

  • EllenD

    I love that!

  • PA Caucasian

    Agree, I like this writer’s style.

  • AnnieCarmel

    She was willing to take this mess into the WH; this after what we had to go through with Bill.  No I don’t cut her some slack.  Most people I’ve known facing their own mortality take stock and come to terms with the truths (and lack of) in their lives.  She continued to perpetuate the lie they were feeding to the public.  Did she really think that his political opponents wouldn’t make his candidacy into a circus had he gotten the nomination?  Oh, wait.  That would have resulted in the Dim loss wouldn’t it?  Maybe not such a bad thing after all.  But what if the media had covered for him the way they do for Bonzo…all out of hatred of W?  No, we need people in office who don’t cart this BS bagage around with them.  Most of all, I despise the fraud because i was persuaded to vote for him in the CA primary…I fell for all of their BS as well as thinking Hillary was “too polarizing”.  I, too, wanted at that time to keep the Republicans out of the WH.  Embarrassing now but at least I can face the truth that I didn’t investigate the candidates more deeply until after the debacle of The Dear Reader and MeShill…thankfully I don’t have to live that one down.  I did see through them…but that was because of what the Dims did to Hillary.  I am bothered by her continued loyalty to the corrupt party and no justification or excuse can get me past that.  No more excuses or exlaining it away.

  • Visitor

    Nonsense. The hanky panky started when Edwards was still a candidate for President.  The press had ample time to look into the story but didn’t bother because they turned up their noses at a “supermarket tabloid” story. 

  • shoshana berenstein

    The reason this story is still being covered is because the media is owned by certain people who want to make Edwards look bad. In truth Edwards was a superb candidate, a man of the people for the people. Yes he had a few very very minor indiscretions but they were nothing compared to Bush the retard. The media was very quiet about Bush’s drug use, his frigid wife, his two alcoholic, drug addicted, nymphomaniac daughters and his dog who pissed everywhere on the White House lawn. Not to mention that I read somewhere Bush’s mom and dad are also brother and sister.

    So, the media which is owned by right wing fanatic special interest groups, presented Bush as a hero and Edwards as a villain. The only exception was when Chris Matthews executed a planned attack on Ann Coulter and had Elisabeth Edwards come as a surprise guest on Hardball and blow Coulter away. That proved to me that MSNBC is the greatest and most unbiased TV network. (I love Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Chris I mentioned already.) So Elizabeth came on and said how much she loved John, and Coulter was speechless. This was the true relationship between John and Elizabeth Edwards, until the right-wing fanatics poisoned their marriage.

    But this is all behind us now. We have a magnificent, beautiful and brilliant couple in the white house, and all is well. We won and the right-wing fanatics lost. Rejoice! And I’m sure the marriage of John and Elizabeth will heal. She must forgive him, otherwise she would be nothing but a bitter and judgemental shrew.

  • Judy in NC

    Bwahahahahaha!

  • lightacandle

    “She must forgive him, otherwise she would be nothing but a bitter and judgemental shrew.” ??

    Boy, talk about judgmental.

  • oowawa

    Beware of this phony commenter; he/she uses pseudo-Jewish names to push radical snark, the purpose of which seems to be anti-semitism.  Click on the name and look up comment history–and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

  • lightacandle

    Thanks, I thought he/she was pretty much bouncing off the walls.

  • oowawa

    I just thought of another possible motivation for these posts: to in some way discredit or mock No Quarter.  I can picture some fratboy obots, giddy with kool-aid and cheeto dust, giggling over comments like this . . .

  • getfitnow

    I’ve been skimming passed the Edwards’saga. Not dismissing what was or wasn’t done, I am sick of those who enabled the behavior ultimately profiting from it. 

     Speaking of enablers, imho, Gov Sanford’s wife is writing a tell-all.

  • bayareavoter

    Thank you oowawa–the comment was too weird to be real.

  • bayareavoter

    This is a great post. I remember Thom Hartmann was so in love with Edwards and then Obama but never had much time for Hillary. No one was paying attention — she was the real deal and the only one with real experience.

    Shame on The Edwards and the media that refused to expose them. They were complicit in hiding things that would have certainly worked against him in the general election. I can’t stand him.

  • oowawa

    Yes indeed, bayareavoter, “too weird to be real,” but if they can bait someone into responding as if they are real, they hit the jackpot . . .

  • PA Caucasian

    I wouldn’t call her an enabler, if she wants to profit from that debacle why shouldn’t she? She kicked that nimrod to the curb.

    Do you know what I LOVE about Jenny Sanford? When her weakling husband went in front of the nation to do his mea culpa she was nowhere to be seen. Unlike Mrs. Spitzer, or Mrs. (former NJ gov), or Mrs. Larry Craig standing by their man while the miscreants grinded their very existences into the ground.

    I recall Mrs. Spitzer looking especially pained at Elliott’s tell-all presser. All I could think was, if I were in her place, I’d be standing behind my husband too, with my foot all the way up his ass.

    No I don’t think Jenny Sanford is an enabler.

  • Colleen in Indiana

    My first impression of John edwards was that he was not genuine. All of his rhetoric about the poor  and downtrodden just didn’t ring true to me. I never could see what people saw in him. Edwards is a hack.

  • Diana L. C.

    Yes, I was just about to post how much I enjoyed your starting with this sleazy episode in U.S. politics and ending my making some very thoughtful philosophical points about how our press–our supposed fourth estate–is not serving us as it should.

  • FLDemFem

    “Boy, talk about judgmental.”

    How true, but isn’t that the same woman who trashed Hillary for forgiving Bill? So why is Hillary a “bitch and a shrew”, as many have said, for not tossing her husband out for something she knew nothing about until it hit the fan, but Elizabeth is a saint for covering up for her hound-dog husband, his mistress and child, and trying to inflict her husband on the rest of us as president?? And let me just say this, my family is a cancer family, everyone but me, so far, has had cancer in some form or another. All my sisters have had, and survived, breast cancer. None of them lost their judgement, intelligence or moral center at any time during the treatments. They were cranky and short-tempered at times, but that was it. So if Elizabeth Edwards has bad judgement and put her ambitions ahead of her morality, it’s not the meds, it’s herself.

  • getfitnow

    When that sleazy mayor of Detroit did his mea culpa his wife was no where to be seen also.

    Of course, I don’t know but Sanford had several affairs plus this last one that snared him while he was “hiking on Father’s Day.” I just find it hard to believe that a spouse doesn’t know or suspect when it involves serial cheating–unless they know and don’t care until everybody else knows.

  • lightacandle

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    Well, and I never suffered from post-partum depression (even though I had four babies), but many women DO suffer from hormonal changes that can be brought about by the cancer treatments or the disease itself.

    People are different and different people react differently to stress and to changes in their body chemistry.

  • lightacandle

    Well, and I never suffered from post-partum depression (even though I had four babies), but many women DO suffer from hormonal changes that can be brought about by the cancer treatments or the disease itself.

    People are different and different people react differently to stress and to changes in their body chemistry.

  • Breeze

    And, let’s not forget John himself who TWICE PUBLICLY CONDEMNED

    Bill Clinton for his indiscretions…….

    (you can google both times, if you want, it’s ALL on record!)

  • hot Librarian

    Regarding Elizabeth Edwards. 
    I saw her on Newshour in -late 07 i think – announce her renewed cancer diagnosis. 

    I am quite familiar with BC & all the latest treatments eyc s my sister in law -a doc  herself -died recently after 6 years.

    This diagnoses did not mean she was ying . It ws unexplained exactly what it was . However her doctor was also nterviewed & she said that Elizabeth had “every chance to see her young children grow up & to see their children ‘ 

    That says to me the new diagnoses was not so serious as for her to be dying . And it s 27 months & she is not dead.

    She is no more dead than in 2008. 

    so save your sympathy for someone who cannot afford treatment or really IS dying .tens of thousands of Americans will be dead before her.

  • Breeze

    And, let’s not forget John himself who

    TWICE PUBLICLY CONDEMNED 
     
    Bill Clinton for his indiscretions……. 
     
    (you can google both times, if you want, it’s ALL on record!)

  • shoshana berenstein

    How dare you insinuate that I’m trying to harm anyone? I love this blog! And I have nothing but respect for Mr. Larry Johnson! However I need to point out that there are some right-wing fanatics in this blog who attack progressive liberals like Obama and Edwards under the guise of “constructive criticism”. Obama promised Hope and Change. Please don’t complain when you get Hope and Change! Hope and Change have a price. And you’ll pay for it whether you like it or not.

    And what happened between John and Elizabeth is between them, not a matter for pundits. I believe that successful men like John Edwards are very virile and need more than other men, if you know what I mean. Elizabeth should just shut up if she wants to live with a powerhouse like John Edwards. That’s the price she needs to pay to live with a humble man of the people who lives in a thousand-acre estate.

  • AC

    For an hour “I forgot he was a hack”

       Chris Mathews

  • AC

    For an hour “I forgot he was a hack”

    Chris Mathews

  • oowawa

    ROFL–The Tingler, Tweety, Slobberpuss, now “I forgot he was a hack” Matthews!  Man, this guy is earning some nicknames!

  • oowawa

    ROFL–The Tingler, Tweety, Slobberpuss, now “For an hour I forgot he was a hack” Matthews!  Man, this guy is earning some nicknames!

  • arabella trefoil

    oowawa: Well spotted. Here we have a new type of obot troll. Perhaps it a new species, in which case you get the credit for the discovery. Frat boy fun is on display, but when you get to this part:

    ‘However I need to point out that there are some right-wing fanatics in this blog who attack progressive liberals like Obama and Edwards under the guise of “constructive criticism”. ‘

    Ugh, tastes like troll. It may smell like an over-the-top jelly doughnut, but there is troll in the center. No Quarter  is and has been an important blog for people who do not like BS. Someone who calls out “right wing fanatic” and points the finger at No Quarter is way out of line, no matter how many qualifying adjectives they use.

  • lightacandle

    I’m capable of feeling sorry for more than one person at a time.

  • Lyn

    She did not know her cancer was back when she started acting like JEs attack dog criticizing Hillary and the choices SHE made in her life and how Elizabeth was much more joyful…(even tho at the time she knew her husband had an affair too.

  • getfitnow
  • Lyn

    The press would NOT report about any dirt on JE, probably because THEY wanted Obama and they knew as long as JE was running, HE was taking votes aeway from Hillary and helping Obama. Also he was usually was teaming up with Obama during the debates to attack Hillary.

    As for forgiving Elizabath, because she has cancer? Sorry never will happen, I blame HER for playing a big role in the fact Obama is now our POTUS. SHE cared more about HER family than our country.

  • lightacandle

    I think it is sad but true that most politicians care more about themselves and their family than they do about their country.

    Some don’t even care about their family as much as they care about their own political fortunes.

  • Cathy in Ks.

      Hillary did get a raw deal in 2008 and I think the Edwards were a contributing factor but “karma” does seem to be catching up with them.
    To be fair to Elizabeth Edwards, I think she may have believed what John told her.  And let’s face it , politicians spend a lot of time away from home.  People who have young children like the Edwards do, require that at least one parent be there at least part of the time.  I believe that Elizabeth is the old-fashioned kind of woman who puts up with infidelities and other humiliations because she believes holding her family together as top priority (at least until recently). Hillary Clinton seems to be that way too.  I don’t see that as bad.  In fact I think it can make the woman and sometimes the marriage stronger. However I’m terribly disappointed that Elizabeth Edwards went after Hillary for the very things she has endured. (I seriously doubt that Hunter is John Edward’s first infidelity.)
    BTW politicians aren’t the only ones who are unfaithful and hypocrites about it.  Years ago when I was in college I worked part of one summer for a company that sold encyclopedias.  The company had a rule of “no fraternizing” which meant company employees were not supposed to date other employees.  After being there a couple of months and going on a sales trip out of town,  we naive college students found out that our boss (who was an ex-nun and  newly married but her husband lived out-of-state) was having an affair with the “office manager” who was also married and had a wife and kids that lived right there in the city where our office was.  In fact the affairs in this small sales training office were enough to make one’s head spin. It was a regular “Peyton Place”.   Let me tell you, I’ve never looked at encyclopedia sales people the same since.

  • guest

    Not only is Elizabeth Edwards not dead, she also has a full head of hair, her skintone is healthy and she does not appear to be suffering from any other typical side effects of chemo and radiation. This is not to say she doesn’t have cancer. But maybe the public was sold a bill of good re: how sick she really was. We were given the impression that she was at death’s door. Remember that the announcement was so dramatic that there were questions raised about whether it was proper for Edwards to continue campaigning. Katie Couric brought this point up in an interview with the couple.

    Make no mistake – I wish her the best of health and peace of mind.  But there is something odd about on the one had saying her cancer was so advanced death was imminent and seeing her now operating at full capacity – despite the additional stress!

  • guest

    And there’s nothing wrong with deciding to hold your family together despite adultery. There IS something wrong with knowing you have a massive skeleton in the closet and then turning around and attacking a candidate like she did with Hillary Clinton. That stinks.

  • guest

    Another hypocrite a la Mark Sanford, Gary Condit, Newt Gingrich, etc., who climbed on top of a moral high horse.

  • FLDemFem

    FYI, Bunny Mellon is the widow of Paul Mellon who gave his enormous art collection to the National Gallery. And he did a lot of other good things too. I met both of them when I was working in Middleburg, at the Thoroughbred training center he built. And I am very disappointed in her pettiness over Hillary. She should know better.

  • AC

    FLDemFem,
    This antagonism towards anything Clinton related was a Mellon Family obsession/preoccupation–it was Richard Mellon Scaife that funded the Arkansas Project to smear both Bill and Hillary.

  • FLDemFem

    I know, but was just pointing out that Bunny’s late husband did do a lot of good and shared his accumulated art with the country. I liked Paul Mellon, he was a nice man. Bunny was a bit of a snob, ok, a big snob. Paul would chat with the grooms and exercise riders, he liked horses and was a good rider. Bunny would sit in the car and look bored while her husband chatted with the “working class”. I remember seeing them at a party I attended with my grandmother, and Bunny was ever so nice, once she found out who my grandmother was. Before that, she wouldn’t give me the time of day.

  • FLDemFem

    Changes in your hormone levels and your body chemistry can change your behavior, but they have no effect on your core principles or your moral center.

  • TiredOfSufferingFoolsGladly

    Shoshana Berenstein/Susanne Goldberg,

    Aren’t you going to share some wisdom from your dear poppy, the rabbi, like you usually do when Susanne is dominant?

    Try to integrate, dear.

  • lightacandle

    – from ABC News on April 9, 2008:

    Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former presidential candidate John Edwards, defended her surprise support for Sen. Hillary Clinton’s health plan today over the approach advocated by her rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.  She did say she thought it would be OK if the Democrats waited till the convention in August to choose a candidate, and she still thinks that Clinton and Obama ending up on a the same ticket would be a dream. … [Elizabeth] Edwards said she believed Clinton’s health-care plan was more inclusive than that of Obama’s.

    I still have cancer in my bone. ”

    http://tinyurl.com/yzn43xx

  • FLDemFem

    Her cancer went to the bone, in a very slow acting form. One of my sisters has it too, from having breast cancer. The doctors told her it is so slow acting that she will probably die of old age before it affects her. She is taking meds for it, of course, but not at all worried about it.

  • Texas Playwright

    Annie Carmel, I think Hillary is loyal to Democratic Principles as exchibited by FDR, LBJ, and one HRC.  Knowing the innate flaws in human beings and the good and bad in politics, Hillary chose to remind us of our democratic Repuplic by running for election surrounded by the sleazebags in her own party, the misogynist media, the corporate and foreign illegal money, the Chicago political cesspool which includes Axelrod, Jarrett and Barry Soetero, and the George Soros/Rockefeller et al oligarchy who really runs this country for one reason–to serve America. 

    I don’t think Hillary is loyal to the corrupt people in her party; I think she is loyal to the Democratic Party vision, principles and values she grew up with and she chose to rise above the party backstabbing for the good of the country.  She was attempting to show the voters what is the best of America, including our Constitution, and as she said, “play by the rules” to do it. 

  • Texas Playwright

    Oops, meant to add more.  Hillary was willing to swim with the sharks for the good of We the People.  18 million primary votes–more than anyone in all 232 years of American History, is remarkable, escpecially considering the massive caucus fraud and primary vote cheating.  I read a quote somehere from Hillary, who when she decided to run, said, “I knew I’d be alone as never before.”  She and all of us who honor fair play and decency are the better for it.  Rise, Hillary.  Rise.

  • Texas Playwright

    Agreed.  Now if the NE and any remaining MSM journalists (as opposed to bought off misogynists) decide to do their jobs and investigate Barry Soetoro…

  • Texas Playwright

    Yeah, like the Barry Soetoro campaign money and the $787B stimulus DIM party slush fund.

  • Texas Playwright

    Make that another Bwahahahahaha!  Thanks for the laugh, troll.

  • Texas Playwright

    GREAT line:  “Try to integrate, dear.”  Hehehehehe.    Usually I ignore trolls.  Given some major challenges at work lately, I must say troll stomping is a fun way to unwind from time to time.

  • Texas Playwright

    Oh, snap!

  • Guest

    The Edwards campaign gave the public the impression that death was imminent to generate a sympathy vote. The whole thing was a con job – not the cancer, the campaign’s spin of it, and her agreement to go along with the sham. 

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