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	<title>Comments on: Many Big Corporations Don&#8217;t Pay Taxes &#8212; Including Some Federal Contractors</title>
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		<title>By: BillyB</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4178/many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes-including-some-federal-contractors/#comment-941934</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article, and several of the early comments are nothing short of absurd, and shows the level of ignorance (and lack of journalistic ethics) out there in America.

The numbers in both studies add up companies who paid no taxes in ANY year. This kind of statistical monkeying can make anything seem like an alarming trend. If you create a graph of all the Americans who poop in their pants in any one year of their life, you’ll get a number close to 100%, because babies crap in their pants, right? But the statistic does not reflect what’s happening across the land at any one point in time. (By the way, I believe you&#039;ll find that this exact technique is outlined in a 20-year old book on how to lie on purpose with statistics).

Tristan is right about about the effect of loss carryforwards. Just look at that list: Ryder, NCR, Unisys, etc. Those are some of the biggest losers from the 1995-1997 slowdown. I believe those 3 went out of business in the late 90s. The more recent GAO study is no doubt reflecting loss carry-forwards from the 2000-2003 post 9-11 slowdown.

I’m not even going to detail the effect that depreciation allowances can have on reducing income and making it “seem” as if those evil corporations pay no income. That’s much bigger than loss carryforwards, but are people saying a company shouldn’t be able to write down aging plant and equipment? Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article, and several of the early comments are nothing short of absurd, and shows the level of ignorance (and lack of journalistic ethics) out there in America.</p>
<p>The numbers in both studies add up companies who paid no taxes in ANY year. This kind of statistical monkeying can make anything seem like an alarming trend. If you create a graph of all the Americans who poop in their pants in any one year of their life, you’ll get a number close to 100%, because babies crap in their pants, right? But the statistic does not reflect what’s happening across the land at any one point in time. (By the way, I believe you&#8217;ll find that this exact technique is outlined in a 20-year old book on how to lie on purpose with statistics).</p>
<p>Tristan is right about about the effect of loss carryforwards. Just look at that list: Ryder, NCR, Unisys, etc. Those are some of the biggest losers from the 1995-1997 slowdown. I believe those 3 went out of business in the late 90s. The more recent GAO study is no doubt reflecting loss carry-forwards from the 2000-2003 post 9-11 slowdown.</p>
<p>I’m not even going to detail the effect that depreciation allowances can have on reducing income and making it “seem” as if those evil corporations pay no income. That’s much bigger than loss carryforwards, but are people saying a company shouldn’t be able to write down aging plant and equipment? Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4178/many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes-including-some-federal-contractors/#comment-572689</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW there&#039;s a political agenda to studies like this - that companies don&#039;t pay their fair share.  Companies pay not just income taxes, but also employment taxes and property taxes and lots of fees.  And companies have choices - they can do business in lots of places.  The most vibrant economies in the world have low tax rates or benefits for companies, for example Canada is eating our lunch because it has a better R&amp;D tax credit.  The simplified analysis of &quot;greedy corporations are taking all of our money&quot; is fueling brain-dead protectionist economic movements that will leave this country bankrupt.  Remember the US receives about $2T of foreign investment every year.  If that number ever goes to zero or negative than the dollar won&#039;t be worth the paper its printed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW there&#8217;s a political agenda to studies like this &#8211; that companies don&#8217;t pay their fair share.  Companies pay not just income taxes, but also employment taxes and property taxes and lots of fees.  And companies have choices &#8211; they can do business in lots of places.  The most vibrant economies in the world have low tax rates or benefits for companies, for example Canada is eating our lunch because it has a better R&amp;D tax credit.  The simplified analysis of &#8220;greedy corporations are taking all of our money&#8221; is fueling brain-dead protectionist economic movements that will leave this country bankrupt.  Remember the US receives about $2T of foreign investment every year.  If that number ever goes to zero or negative than the dollar won&#8217;t be worth the paper its printed on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4178/many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes-including-some-federal-contractors/#comment-572669</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statistics like this can be very misleading.  A company might earn profits this year and not pay taxes because it had a huge loss last year and was able to carry that loss over.  Also, corporate profits don&#039;t go to executive salaries, or they wouldn&#039;t be profits - profits are after salaries.  Profits are paid out in dividends or get reinvested in the business to grow the company.  Also, did the study include REITs?  REITs don&#039;t pay taxes, but their dividends are taxes as ordinary income.  Are some of the profits repatriated capital gains?  Because there was a provision in those years for companies to return profits from overseas subsidiaries and pay a reduced tax rate - that was to help get us out of the recession.  So its not so cut and dried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statistics like this can be very misleading.  A company might earn profits this year and not pay taxes because it had a huge loss last year and was able to carry that loss over.  Also, corporate profits don&#8217;t go to executive salaries, or they wouldn&#8217;t be profits &#8211; profits are after salaries.  Profits are paid out in dividends or get reinvested in the business to grow the company.  Also, did the study include REITs?  REITs don&#8217;t pay taxes, but their dividends are taxes as ordinary income.  Are some of the profits repatriated capital gains?  Because there was a provision in those years for companies to return profits from overseas subsidiaries and pay a reduced tax rate &#8211; that was to help get us out of the recession.  So its not so cut and dried.</p>
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		<title>By: Paramedic</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4178/many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes-including-some-federal-contractors/#comment-571903</link>
		<dc:creator>Paramedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about with the offshore deal?? I haven&#039;t heard anything about that.  Could you please provide some details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about with the offshore deal?? I haven&#8217;t heard anything about that.  Could you please provide some details?</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Wonderin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Wonderin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene - I take issue with the &quot;Congress that has created a baroque tax law&quot; point . . .  pretty common knowledge that corporate lobbyists and shills work, even WRITE the legislation to their benefit and grease passage with vast &quot;donations&quot;. Until &quot;We The People&quot; can afford to buy representation, tax laws will continue to pillar the working person. (Any question why McCain wants his tax plan . . . Johnnie-Cindy will save over $373,000 a YEAR in taxes - and just how many &quot;jobs&quot; will THAT create?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene &#8211; I take issue with the &#8220;Congress that has created a baroque tax law&#8221; point . . .  pretty common knowledge that corporate lobbyists and shills work, even WRITE the legislation to their benefit and grease passage with vast &#8220;donations&#8221;. Until &#8220;We The People&#8221; can afford to buy representation, tax laws will continue to pillar the working person. (Any question why McCain wants his tax plan . . . Johnnie-Cindy will save over $373,000 a YEAR in taxes &#8211; and just how many &#8220;jobs&#8221; will THAT create?)</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - Bobo means Bono.

Rough night !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; Bobo means Bono.</p>
<p>Rough night !</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the heck ?   There&#039;s a big difference between legally reducing one&#039;s taxes and illegally dodging taxes.

The problem is a Congress that has create a baroque tax law filled with complex giveaways.  The solution is to root the corruption out of Congress and simplify the tax code.

As for dodging taxes, the most egregious offender is Bobo, who pays 2% through a strange offshore deal (Netherlands ?) but goes around pretending he&#039;s the Second Coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck ?   There&#8217;s a big difference between legally reducing one&#8217;s taxes and illegally dodging taxes.</p>
<p>The problem is a Congress that has create a baroque tax law filled with complex giveaways.  The solution is to root the corruption out of Congress and simplify the tax code.</p>
<p>As for dodging taxes, the most egregious offender is Bobo, who pays 2% through a strange offshore deal (Netherlands ?) but goes around pretending he&#8217;s the Second Coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Paramedic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paramedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why I cannot vote for McCain or for Obama.  They are both typical politicians.  Neither has any idea what it is like to work for an hourly wage, or to support a family on an hourly wage.  McCain married his money, and Obama was given his through his book deal.  I haven&#039;t figured out who I will vote for, but it won&#039;t be either one of these two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why I cannot vote for McCain or for Obama.  They are both typical politicians.  Neither has any idea what it is like to work for an hourly wage, or to support a family on an hourly wage.  McCain married his money, and Obama was given his through his book deal.  I haven&#8217;t figured out who I will vote for, but it won&#8217;t be either one of these two.</p>
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		<title>By: PadrePIo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PadrePIo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK what will McCain do given the chance? Do you think he&#039;ll go all mavericky on corporations and bust their asses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK what will McCain do given the chance? Do you think he&#8217;ll go all mavericky on corporations and bust their asses?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawnelle Leona del Puma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawnelle Leona del Puma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people felt &quot;SORRY&quot; for him so advanced him I&#039;m sure.

With that slick tongue of his??

Wow Quite a presentation too btw! 
Great!  Lot&#039;s O&#039;Meat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people felt &#8220;SORRY&#8221; for him so advanced him I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>With that slick tongue of his??</p>
<p>Wow Quite a presentation too btw!<br />
Great!  Lot&#8217;s O&#8217;Meat!</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4178/many-big-corporations-dont-pay-taxes-including-some-federal-contractors/#comment-571108</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for exploding another government myth; that people earing the lowest salaries are responsible for this economy by demanding &quot;higher wages&quot;.  

Obama&#039;s life is that picture worth a thousand words  when you compare his employment background to us &quot;little people&quot; who have struggled to remain solvent on what the government leaves them after taxes.  

While many of us have the same &lt;em&gt;typical&lt;/em&gt; (there&#039;s that word again) college background, few of us could acquire the assets Barack Obama has from low paying service industry jobs and the expense of a Harvard Law School degree, practice law for only a short time before moving on to enter politics as a part time state Senator and law school adjunct faculty and yet end up with the money to buy a multi-million dollar mansion even with a &lt;em&gt;typical &lt;/em&gt;working wife and help from wealthy friends without leaving a huge papertrail.  

And in 1995 publishers wouldn&#039;t have issued a big advance on an autobiography from an unknown person who had done nothing extraordinary in his life and didn&#039;t write about his controversial friendships and who wouldn&#039;t be noticed by the Democratic party elite for  almost another decade.   

His is a &quot;win the lottery&quot; life but who bought him the ticket?  Looking at your list of 9 makes me wonder how much they have contributed to the Campaign Obama because I&#039;m sure Big Business wants to keep living in the style they have become accustomed to and needs a candidate elected who will continue to supply it.  We know how McCain and Clinton got to the top, Obama is the mystery.  From his list of donors I&#039;ve seen it has me asking the question, what&#039;s the connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for exploding another government myth; that people earing the lowest salaries are responsible for this economy by demanding &#8220;higher wages&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s life is that picture worth a thousand words  when you compare his employment background to us &#8220;little people&#8221; who have struggled to remain solvent on what the government leaves them after taxes.  </p>
<p>While many of us have the same <em>typical</em> (there&#8217;s that word again) college background, few of us could acquire the assets Barack Obama has from low paying service industry jobs and the expense of a Harvard Law School degree, practice law for only a short time before moving on to enter politics as a part time state Senator and law school adjunct faculty and yet end up with the money to buy a multi-million dollar mansion even with a <em>typical </em>working wife and help from wealthy friends without leaving a huge papertrail.  </p>
<p>And in 1995 publishers wouldn&#8217;t have issued a big advance on an autobiography from an unknown person who had done nothing extraordinary in his life and didn&#8217;t write about his controversial friendships and who wouldn&#8217;t be noticed by the Democratic party elite for  almost another decade.   </p>
<p>His is a &#8220;win the lottery&#8221; life but who bought him the ticket?  Looking at your list of 9 makes me wonder how much they have contributed to the Campaign Obama because I&#8217;m sure Big Business wants to keep living in the style they have become accustomed to and needs a candidate elected who will continue to supply it.  We know how McCain and Clinton got to the top, Obama is the mystery.  From his list of donors I&#8217;ve seen it has me asking the question, what&#8217;s the connection?</p>
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		<title>By: Northwest rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northwest rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably just one of the reasons why a first term Senator with the thinnest resume in the history of US politics managed to raise million of $$$$. It isn&#039;t because his Hopie Changie message -- it is because of his hidden agenda and allegiance to his bestest friends paying his bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably just one of the reasons why a first term Senator with the thinnest resume in the history of US politics managed to raise million of $$$$. It isn&#8217;t because his Hopie Changie message &#8212; it is because of his hidden agenda and allegiance to his bestest friends paying his bills.</p>
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		<title>By: candymarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>candymarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there&#039;s a shocker!  Corporations are not paying their fair share of taxes.

As Leona Helmsley allegedly said &#039;taxes are for little people&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there&#8217;s a shocker!  Corporations are not paying their fair share of taxes.</p>
<p>As Leona Helmsley allegedly said &#8216;taxes are for little people&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: roseeriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>roseeriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Obama will continue the offshore movement of money as he strives to be the Leader of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Obama will continue the offshore movement of money as he strives to be the Leader of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: karen for Clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen for Clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary often has talked about this.  Halliburton and offshore office in some tropical paradise.

Running off to work right now... and just scanned the above, but it is a huge source of our deficit $$$ issue.

Clinton would be reigning in this mess, (just like Bill and Al did with runaway expenditures) and stopping the 100 dollar toilet seats and hammers.

Bush screwed the little people who pay every dime they are supposed to.  No wonder we stay broke, we foot the whole tab and pay our bills as required of the proletariat class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary often has talked about this.  Halliburton and offshore office in some tropical paradise.</p>
<p>Running off to work right now&#8230; and just scanned the above, but it is a huge source of our deficit $$$ issue.</p>
<p>Clinton would be reigning in this mess, (just like Bill and Al did with runaway expenditures) and stopping the 100 dollar toilet seats and hammers.</p>
<p>Bush screwed the little people who pay every dime they are supposed to.  No wonder we stay broke, we foot the whole tab and pay our bills as required of the proletariat class.</p>
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