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Our Commander In Chief Doesn’t Know How to Pronounce Corpsman

President Obama mispronounced the word corpsman THREE TIMES (!) at the National Prayer Breakfast. Many are excusing him for his over-dependence on a teleprompter. Come on. Anyone who knows how the word is pronounced properly — particularly the Commander in Chief of all U.S. military — will also know how to read it from a teleprompter. Furthermore, doesn’t Obama know that it is Navy corpsmen, often at the highest risk on battlefields and who suffer the most deaths in the Navy? Does Obama know that 22 Navy corpsmen have received the Medal of Honor, most posthumously? I couldn’t find complete stats on Iraq and Afghanistan, but here’s a 2007 figure of the number who’ve died in Iraq:

Through mid-July, 82 Navy service members have perished in Iraq, most assigned to specialties such as Navy SEALs, pilots and corpsmen duties, according to Defense Department statistics.

Moore said that Noble is the 30th medical corpsman to be killed [as of July 2007] in Iraq.

BELOW you will find “Sailor medics earn high respect,” a moving tribute to the corpsmen who’ve given their lives:

Today’s corpsmen must be appalled that their Commander doesn’t even know how to pronounce their title.

Here’s an exceptional article, from Corpsman.com, that details the contributions of Navy corpsmen:

Sailor medics earn high respect

By Ron Martz
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Copyright 2006 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Naval Station Great Lakes, Ill. They are among the most respected members of the military.

They also are among the most at risk.

They are Navy corpsmen, medics who treat both their fellow sailors and Marines.

Known affectionately as “Doc” by those who serve with them, these sailors can often mean the difference between life and death on the battlefield and on ships.

And, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, the demand for them is increasing, as is the respect for what they do.

“Sometimes when I see people [on base] I hear them say: ‘Don’t mess with her, she’s a corpsman; she could save your life some day,’ ” said Seaman Recruit Ranaujua Bonner, 18, of Atlanta, who is training to be a corpsman.

For Seaman Recruit David Styles of Kennesaw, who has volunteered to serve with the Marines, “there’s a certain level of respect and professionalism that people give you as a corpsman.”

Styles, 18, has six more weeks of training here before he ships out to a Marine base for advanced medical training. After that, it’s likely off to Iraq to serve with a ground combat unit where he will be the first responder in any battlefield emergency in his unit.

And that often puts those who help the wounded more at risk because insurgents in Iraq have been known to target corpsmen and Army medics.

Navy officials here did not have the exact number of corpsman deaths in Iraq. But the Web site icasualties.org lists at least 15 corpsmen among the 59 Navy deaths in the war.

During the 10 years of Vietnam, 692 Navy corpsmen died.

“I’m not that worried about it,” said Styles, a graduate of Paulding County High School. “I’ll help as much as I can, support the Marines and do the job to the best of my ability.”

Hospitalman Craig Pasanen of Orange Park, Fla., an instructor at the Navy Corps School here, said that last year about 3,500 sailors went through the school.

By the end of this year, about 4,800 more sailors will become corpsmen.

During peacetime, about 45 Navy corpsmen are assigned to a battalion of about 750 Marines. During wartime, that number jumps to 65.

Still, said Pasanen, “It’s not a lot. These guys are expected to take care of 30-50 Marines by themselves.”

Navy Capt. Mary Kolar, chief of staff for the Naval Service Training Command here, said those who volunteer or those who are selected to be corpsmen typically have some of the highest scores on the military entrance exam.

What once was a 14-week course for corpsmen has been compressed to about 10, with participants learning basic emergency medical training, Pasanen said.

After training, those who plan to serve with the Marines go to either Camp Lejeune, N.C., or Camp Pendleton, Calif., for more advanced training in combat medicine.

“Emergency medicine on the battlefield is a lot different than what we teach here,” Pasanen said.

Hospitalman Marcus Williamson, 23, of Carrollton said it’s tough to absorb the amount of information corpsmen-in-training have thrown at them in school.

But, he added, “one of the things they teach us is to be confident in everything we’re doing.”

Williamson’s first duty station after completing training will be at one of the Navy facilities in Jacksonville.

Bonner, a Mundy’s Mill High School graduate, does not know where she will be sent, but it won’t be into combat since corpsmen who serve with the Marines are all males. While in the Navy, she expects to be a lab technician.

In addition to the medical training, corpsmen receive heavy doses of the history and traditions of this special branch, which was formally started in 1898.

Since then, Navy corpsmen have been awarded 22 Medals of Honor for heroism in combat, most of them posthumously.

And, they count among their ranks John Bradley, the only non-Marine among the six men who planted the U.S. flag atop Mount Suribachi during the World War II battle on Iwo Jima, currently the subject of the movie “Flags of Our Fathers.”

“They teach us to have a lot of pride in what we do,” Styles said, “because we represent all the other corpsmen who served before us.”
__________________
Combat Medics–God’s gift to the Infantry

  • lark

    He actually pronounced correctly. The ones who pronounce it incorrectly are those that pronounce it as COR as if the P is silent. That’s just crap. The English language is not a fixed thing.

    Obama is embarked in correcting what’s wrong with America. So he wants to correct what’s wrong with some the stupid English pronunciations. I say let him and more power to him. 

  • lark

    He actually pronounced correctly. The ones who pronounce it incorrectly are those that pronounce it as COR as if the PS is silent. That’s just crap. The English language is not a fixed thing. 
     
    Obama is embarked in correcting what’s wrong with America. So he wants to correct what’s wrong with some the stupid English pronunciations. I say let him and more power to him.

  • Always Learning

    Lark -

    The “ps” is silent in the word corpsman. 

    If Sarah Palin ever pronounced it the way Obama did, she’d be mocked endlessly.

  • mdmdstork

    Pronounciation of the word by the people in the Navy is the way the “boss” should pronounce it. It just shows that he doesn’t know enough about the Navy to say the word the way the rest of the Navy says it. Commander-in-Chief of the military engaged in two wars should make it his business to know these things. Also maybe its just the video, but he seems to be really slurring his words. Maybe up to late the night before.

  • Ani

    Yes, that is true.  This would be front page news at MSNBC and CNN — Palin mispronounced corpsmen!!!  Let’s see if they can find a way to blame her anyway — even though she wasn’t there.  Better yet, the media should do what they did in 2008 — it’s Hillary’s fault!! 

  • lark

    Why is the ps silent in the word corpsman? why? and who said?

  • lark

    Why is the ps silent in the word corpsman? why? and who said?

    To me Obama pronounced it correctly – even though everybody laughs that that is not the way to pronounce it.

  • CharlotteKey

    “The English language is not fixed thing..” That’s one of the funniest lines I ever heard from an Obot.  I have never heard “corpsman” pronounced as corpse-man. How do you pronounce “bough?” btw
    Still, I know it’s not “fixed” when Obama speaks. Only when Palin or Bush (and I don’t like either one) speak it.
    But then to an Obot, the Constitution is not a “fixed” thing. If they need to unfix it for their purposes, they do so without informing the general public. At least their “unfixing” of the English is there for all to hear.

  • FranSC

    Is this the same “lark” who usually comments here??  Doesn’t sound like it.   At any rate, I’ve never heard that word pronounced USING the p and the s.  Some members of the military that B0 supposedly commands are aghast at this.  “lark”, do you also pronounce ‘Corp of Engineers’ with the p? 

    The really scarey part is this is the POTUS that has been portrayed by his koolaid-drinking worshipers as *brilliant* and who Bob Beckel, looking up toward the great beyond, said last week, “operates in a sphere most of us cannot even comprehend”.  He’s also been portrayed as a chest player playing on three levels.  Oh, really! 

    If you are going to dare to attempt to run the most powerful nation on earth and if you are inclined to bow to kings, you at least need to know how to speak the ‘King’s English’. 

  • lark

    You want equal pay for women and you want equal rights for gay and lesbians and marriage rights (which I don’t), but you want the “ps” in corpsman to be silent.

  • SFIndie

    The word “bough” (tree branch) is pronounced “bow”. The “..ugh” sounds like a “w”. But, but, but…. when we say “cough” the “…ugh” sounds like an “f”! And when we say “laugh” the “…ugh” sounds like an “f”, too.  Why? Who says? And if Obama wants to pronounce “bough” as “boff” then he’s actually correct, right, Lark? He’s correcting our stupid English pronounciations. He’s so amazing, isn’t he? Pretty soon, we won’t need Webster’s Dictionary any more, we’ll have Obama’s Dictionary!

    “Corpsman” is pronounced “Corman”, the “ps” is silent. It’s just the way it’s pronounced. And when we talk about the “press corps”, we don’t pronounce it “press corpse”, we pronounce it “press cor”. Just our stupid English pronounciations. Can’t wait until Obama makes all those Changes! to our dictionary. I can only Hope! it’s soon.

  • Astra14

    Lark:

    This is from a dictionary.  See the correct pronunciation.  It is pronounced cor-man.  The “ps” is silent.  This has nothing to do with anyone wanting it to be silent  it’s just how it is pronounced in everyday English.

    corps·man (kôr’mən, kōr’-, kôrz’mən, kōrz’-)  n.  
    <!–EOF_HEAD–><!–BOF_DEF–>

    An enlisted person in the U.S. Navy, serving either with the Navy or the Marines, who has been trained to give first aid and basic medical treatment, especially in combat situations.
    A member of a government-sponsored group designated as a corps: Peace Corpsmen.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corpsman

  • Astra14

    Lark:  
     
    This is from a dictionary.  See the correct pronunciation.  It is pronounced cor-man.  The “ps” is silent.  This has nothing to do with anyone wanting it to be silent  it’s just how it is pronounced in everyday English.  
     
    corps·man (kôr’mən, kōr’-, kôrz’mən, kōrz’-)  n.    
     
    An enlisted person in the U.S. Navy, serving either with the Navy or the Marines, who has been trained to give first aid and basic medical treatment, especially in combat situations.  
    A member of a government-sponsored group designated as a corps: Peace Corpsmen.  
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corpsman

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Fran — you echoed my thoughts regarding lark. I’ve been wondering if there are two larks. There are two different bird pics and the “voice” seems different with each. Hmmmm

  • oowawa

    Used to be I couldn’t even spell “commander-in-chief.”  Now I are one.

  • I’m a Linda too

    roflmao  It’s not a word he used to having to say or read before.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    and “though” is pronounced “tho”

  • lark

    Now I are one

    I used to write in E-Prime a lot – everything – but I quit because …

  • oowawa

    Just think–Thee One is Commander in Chief of the entire U.S. Marine Corpse.

  • FLDemFem

    Well, what do you expect from a “lark” who has a robin as avatar? If ignorance is bliss, then lark must be supremely happy.

  • lark

    I used to write in E-Prime a lot – everything – until I quit because…

    http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/GeneralSemantics/KensEPrime.htm

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/eprime.htm

  • Mandelay

    He definitely has esprit de corpse.  Will the West Point glee club sing about “The Corpse.”  That should wake everyone up!  Mr. President, please turn up the volume and listen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYSwnyJy70

    After listening, try to imagine this with the “new, improved pronunciation.”

  • lark

    Now I are one.

    I used to write in E-Prime a lot – everything – until I quit because… 
     
    http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/GeneralSemantics/KensEPrime.htm 
     
    http://www.nobeliefs.com/eprime.htm

  • Mandelay

    The English language is not a fixed thing.  This is very true!  Next time you make that call, press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish, press 3 for Obaglish!

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I always cringe when I hear people say “nucular” instead of “nuclear”, but it at least has a root cause cause. In Texas and other parts of the South, it’s a sort of  colloquialism or a mispronouncement that’s part of the accent. Another example is “pecan” which we say as “puhcahn” and Norhterners say as “peecan”.

    But Obama’s arrogant laziness in not even bothering to check pronunciations he’s not familiar with before reading them off a teleprompter in front of an audience only proves he doesn’t write a single word of his speeches and doesn’t care if we know it. When I was in 5th grade, I had to read aloud in front of the class from a story about trains. I mispronounced the word “aisle” as “ace-le”. All these years later I recall being embarrassed at being laughed at. I wonder if BO has the capacity to feel embarrassment now. If he does, maybe he’ll apologize to those he offended. Oh what am I thinking? Of course he won’t.

  • Docelder

    That would be easy, they will just dress up Tina Fey like Palin and have her mispronounce and misspell a lot of different things. Bots everywhere are too ignorant to know the difference between Palin and somebody dressed up like her to mock her. Goes to show what it takes to be a bot. It isn’t intelligence, but a willingness to share a group consciousness. Kind of like a colony of ants with Obama beng their queen.

  • ANonOMouse

    Oh, come on Lark…..This guy was sold to the American People as an extremely well educated, well read and scholarly man and he DOESN’T KNOW HOW to pronounce a word like Corpsman? And YES it IS pronouned korman like Harvey Korman. Remember him? 

    Barack Obama just needs to STFU and stop his incessant speechifying, because the more he speaks the more he reveals how stupid he is. 

  • oowawa

    I used to be a Marine.  I still get chills down my spine every time I hear The Marine Corpse Hymn.

  • ANonOMouse

    Oh, come on Lark…..This guy was sold to the American People as an extremely well educated, well read and scholarly man and he DOESN’T KNOW HOW to pronounce a word like Corpsman? And YES it IS pronouned korman like Harvey Korman. Remember him?  
     
    Barack Obama just needs to STFU and put an end to his non-stop speechifying  because the more he speaks the more he reveals how stupid he is. 

  • Docelder

    Like the guy trying to throw a baseball. He probably thought it looked easy enough, probably never having done it before. I wonder if somebody fed the wrong speech into the teleprompter how much of it he would read aloud before he figured it out.

  • FLDemFem

    lark, we want the same rights for all human beings, regardless of gender, sexual orientation or race. And why is it fine with you that gays are barred from entering into a contract that is allowed for straight people? After all, a civil marriage is simply a contract between two people ratified by the state, it is not a religious ceremony. And it’s ridiculous that two people cannot enter into a contract simply because of their sexual orientation. What other contracts do you think gays should not be allowed to enter into? Real estate contracts? Employment contracts? Sales contracts? Other business contracts?? No one is saying churches must marry gay people, but the state should not discriminate against them when it comes to making a contract. Gay marriage shouldn’t be an emotional issue, it should be an issue of contract law since marriage is a contract.

    And as for the pronunciation of “corpsman”, perhaps you should look it up. It is correctly pronounced “core-man”, and it always has been. Obama is ignorant, and he reveals his ignorance almost every time he opens his mouth.

  • AC

    ANonOMouse, let the idiot speak!

  • AC

    Yes, you am.

  • Guest

    He didn’t know how to pronounce OB-GYN (oh-bee-guy-nees) or Orion (OAR-ee-on)

    Obama is not dumb. He is just a terrible extemporaneous speaker with a below average knowledge of military science we have to add to astronomy to history and economics….haha

  • Sassy

    Three times?
    That’s called aplomb!

  • HARP

    My father is gone now but he would be surprised to learn that he spent 20 years in the Marine Corpse.

  • Sassy

    I mangled facade…fac-aid.
    We have all been there, PE!

  • lark

    Since I am ignorant then that rendering will tell you why the word ‘corps’ is pronounce ‘kor.’

  • AC

    Agree, and may I interject “every day he shows he doesn’t know much about anything”.
     Now, off to rest my corpus.

  • oowawa

    ROFL–Great posts, Mandelay.  I can really feel the Commander in Chief’s esprit de corpse every time he salutes the troops.

  • Cindy

    I just figured, being a Chicago thug and all, that Obama never wants to miss an opportunity to use the synonym for a dead body.
    It makes him feel all warm and fuzzy, like he’s back home  (and I wish he were!)

  • lark

    You mean “korman.”

  • I’m a Linda too

    YEP….AND OH WAIT, no he’s done THT already.  Remember that one speech he was reading….and then he had to add, “I already said that”.  LOL

  • FLDemFem

    Well, Harp, if he is gone, he is a Marine Corpse. Sorry, couldn’t resist. :-P

  • HARP

    Here is my response to Obama.

  • ANonOMouse

    I don’t think anyone could shut him up, But you’re right about letting him talk because the more he tries to make his point (minus the prompter) the more he makes our point, HE’S A PHONY!

  • oowawa

    Yeah Cindy–Thee One probably imagines a Corpsman is somehow involved with military burial details.

  • Diana L. C.

    Lark,

    You are bringing out the English teacher in me.  English spelling and pronunciation is so complicated because English is an amazing language.

    For a long time Latin was the world language, the language everyone had to learn in a world connected by Roman highways.  Now the world language is English.  For instance, traffic controllers all over the world do their jobs in English.

    One of the English language’s major strenghts is its lack of pride when it comes to borrowing words from other languages.  The French, for example, have been very snooty about their language, always trying to invent a French word to replace the one they want from another language in order to keep their language “pure.”  The Germans tried for a while, “Fernseher,”  that is, “distance see-er, “ I believe, has finally given way to “television.”

    But think of the word “television.” The root “tele” comes from the Greek for “far off.”  You know what “vision” means, but did you know that the word “vision” has its roots in Old French, with is a descendant language of Latin.

    Because of its willingness to borrow words  from all languages and to also borrow spelling and pronunciation from those languages, English has, I believe, the largest vocabulary of modern languages.

    The word “corpsman” has “corps” which stems from the Latin word “corpus” (body).  But English inherited it from French.  The French pronunciation holds in English (because we just took it as is).

    I have studied and can read Old English, a Germanic language that was altered dramatically by the French and Latin of the Norman Conquest.  Since then it has been altered also by time and through the totally connected world we live in.  If you want to find “pure” English words, you have to look to the basic words of the language:  the conjuctions, the prepositions, the linking verbs, etc., and the common household words.  Most of our words are borrowed. 

    It makes learning our spelling and pronunciation very hard.  But I love the history in our English lexicon. 

    We used to study this sort of thing in English classes, but the gurus of the ed departments deemed is “busy work” and not “relevant.”

  • HARP

    KP for “the one”.

  • Cindy

    oowawa—–I think it’s obvious that TOTUS has got to go totally phonetic.
    It’s all TOTUS’ fault.

  • Cindy

    sing it, sister.

  • oowawa

    HARP–That’s one of the funniest videos I’ve ever seen.  Pat Boone has always had a sense of high camp, and this one is about perfect . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think Obama actually meant to say “Corpse”man. He was obviously referring to the guys who collect dead bodies, stick them in body bags, then escort them stateside. “Corpseman”……………..SEE, it’s much better than “Dead body guys”, or the very awkward “Gentlemen who retrieve and process the fallen victims of overseas contingency operations”. And who are we to question the divine wisdom of the LIC (Lexicographer in Chief).

    I have to get going now, I’m leaving Washington (The Evergreen State) for a brief vacation in the 57th state, Barackoli (The State of Imagination). I’ll be passing through (pronounced throo) the other new states, Utopia (The Impossible State), Obamia (The State of Confusion), Michellegan (The Right to Bare Arms State), Rahm Island (Land of Idle Threats), Pelosia (The “Live Enslaved or Die” State), and Kenya (the Birthplace of the Savior State). Hasta la vista. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    Geeze Cindy………”Phonetic”? Shouldn’t that word be spelled “Fonetic”? This has always bothered me.

  • lark

    Bad girl.

  • Joanie in Brooklyn

    Given the state of journalism today, press corpse is about right. lol

  • FranSC

    lark, it is ridiculous to compare equal pay for women, equal rights for GLBT, marriage rights, etc. with the pronounciation of an unrelated word.  

    Let’s face it, you stand corrected on how the rest of the world pronounces ‘corpsman’, since you thought 0zero said it correctly.  An old edition of Webster says this:

    corpsman [kor`man] – U.S. Navy.  An enlisted man trained to give first aid and apprentice medical treatment. 

    The objection I have with this definition is the gender bias from this 1968 edition, copywrite 1916!  There have been female Navy ’corpsmen’ forever as well, yet never recognized. 

    More recent and gender conscious dictionaries use ’enlisted members or people’ instead of ‘man’.

  • AC

    Phonetics, now that’s a laff.

  • oowawa

    Oh God–I’m about to laugh out all my bunny stuffing . . .

  • AC

    That’s phunny for you to say.

  • FranSC

    Sorry, it’s corps of engineers – not corp.  The silent s threw this spelling-challenged commenter.

  • AC

    Fony ia as fony does.
    Thus spake Phorest Gump.

  • AC

    I though a phlombey was on the table.

  • bamaLV

    uh..is that like “pockeystan”?

  • AC

    HARP, clicking on like seemed to remote–that was great!

  • AC

    Allright Joanie!

  • oowawa

    All right Private Oooooo-Bama–Barack–What is that, a girl’s name?  Like Barbara?  Are you a girl, Private?  Get down and give me 20, and I don’t want to hear no more of that “Commander in Chief” bullshit!

  • AC

    Mandelay, ithought an esprit was a bird.

  • AC

    Mandelay, I thought an esprit was a bird.

  • Cindy

    AC—-you need to come down here to Central Texas in May for the annual O. Henry Pun-Off. You’d walk away with it!

  • buzzlatte

    Why do you say “corps” as “cor”?  Can anyone really explain anything the French do or say?

    Stewart=Stuart….the French just HAD to spell it differently.

  • AC

    Cindy, would that make him a Phonecian?

  • buzzlatte

    Herein this story lies a prime example of why Obama isn’t brilliant.  

  • kenoshamarge

    Actually I do pronouce it “Press Corpse” but that’s because I think that as journalists they are corpses. I do “know” the difference. I know I know the difference because I never say “Peace Corpse”.

  • FranSC

    FLDemFem – leave it to you to come up with a different twist.  I especially liked your observing that lark’s avatar is a robin. 

    No matter how hum-drum the topic, this group can make it facinating as well as hilarious! 

  • buzzlatte

    Obama:  Language deficient, yes.  Brilliant, NO!

  • AC

    Cindy, that very kind of you.
    Wish I was there today, we’re expecting 20 plus inches of snow in DC today.  Guess I’ll sharpen my shovel.

  • lark

    Okay here it goes: “One of the English language’s major strenghts is its lack of pride when it comes to borrowing words from other languages.”

    But the major weakness of Americans today says that they get offended by foreign pronunciation – or by foreigners, period. There are reasons why Obama pronounced the ‘ps’ sound in Corps. Today is not the day in modernism when the English language took ” The French pronunciation holds in English (because we just took it as is).” This is a different day and these are different days. Modernism is dead, science is dead.

    The reason Americans like you are upset with his pronunciation is because you don’t want to question or loose the ‘privilege’ status given to the word by the Military establishments. It relates today in the same way that ‘service people’ REQUIRE us to ‘THANK THEM’ for their service everywhere we see them and to have privileges in job applications and other things economic.

    Obama be what he may be did not run a modern campaign nor is he running as a modern President. And that is good, since we are no longer living in modern times.

    Kor and Cor denote the privilege status of the Military over civilian life. It is a cultural privilege. We spend 800 billion per year in military expenditures and if and when the country will not be able to afford our way of life, the privilege status of our military says that we will be very comfortable with a Nave Admiral taking over the Presidency.

    So the meaning of Obama pronouncing the ‘ps’ sound says that Obama does not privileges the military. And that is consistent with everything else he purports to spouse. Except Obama now is invested in the same culture he used to criticize. So expect him to pronounce it correctly next time. As for me – I will still pronounce it ‘corps’ with a very slight ps sound before ‘man.’

  • AC

    HARP, clicking on like seemed too remote and not expressive enough–that was great!

  • lark

    I don’t think is a robin but then it is subject to interpretation.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    LOL, that video is so friggin’ funny. 

    Corpman, corpse man, 50 states, 57 states, tomato, to-mato.  It’s all good because Obobo is soooo coool, right?

  • buzzlatte

    AC – Be safe!

  • FranSC

    Don’t be surprised if “I’ll-have-the-last-word” 0bama doesn’t use one of the corps words over and over misprounouncing it ‘corpse’ as a symbolic middle finger.  I think that’s why he continues to bow to royalty and certain people just to reiterate, “F*** all of you who dare to criticize me.”   

    Before this is over he may even have his worshipers saying ‘corpse’ just to show solidarity.  This is a thin-skinned, paranoid, angry man.

  • Anonymous

    Bronwyn’s Harbor,

    You have too much time on your hands to worry about this kind of meaningless stuff. If you are one of the unemployeed, I suggest you spend your time looking for a job, so Obama does not have to bail you out.

  • Anonymous

    Cor-men… not corps-men… sounds like a bunch of dead guys

  • Docelder

    He only bails out corporations. He is nobody’s progressive, that is for sure.

  • FranSC

    Guest, he may not be dumb, but he sure makes a lot of dumb mistakes – I believe that’s 3 just this week, aka, the-don’t-blow-your-money-in-Las Vegas- comments after he had already caused a firestorm about LV last year with his loose lips.  Like the Mayor of LV said, “He’s a slow learner.” 

    When you have to have people defend you because you are being portrayed as dumb, you are not winning the battle or the war.  Perception is everything. 

  • Freedom Fighter

    While I am not sure how the word is supposed to be pronounced, but I do know, I’d rather trust a constitutional scholar, a Harvard valedictorian, and what most journalists would consider the most intelligent man in the history of human civilization over the carpings of anonymous internet ankle biters.

  • Cindy

    AC—-that would make him a “phonyshaman” (rim shot)

  • Guest

    I do wonder sometimes how many of these stumbles are deliberately planted diversions or a form of self-handicapping aimed at lowering expectations. How insecure can one person be ? They’re mistakes most of us could correct in our sleep !    

  • AnnieCarmel

    “you don’t want to question or loose the ‘privilege’ status”

    loose = unbounded, untied, unsewed; no attached, fastened, fixed or confined; as the loose sheets of a book.

    lose = to part with unintentionally or unwillingly as by misfortune, negligence, penalty, forfeit; as in to lose money, an arm or a leg of “the privilege status”.

  • Cindy

    When I lived in DC in early 70′s, it snowed once (about 2″) and the entire DC metro area shut down for two days! Hilarious!
    Good luck!

  • fanofguest

    i agree 100%.  aren’t there more important things to worry about than how someone pronounces something.  i have a friend who works at a high-dollar salon and can not for the life of her say the word “curling iron”. 

    who cares.

  • lark

    corpsman [kor`man] – U.S. Navy.  An enlisted man trained to give first aid and apprentice medical treatment. 

    Yet from that definition you can figure out that the prefix corps is directly referencing a ‘corpse’ even if one can say the corpse is not a dead corpse.

    So the concealment of the ps in the pronunciation respond to the concealment of the object of the title which is to assist a corpse – not knowing its status if dead or alive and risking life for that purpose.

    So there is nothing wrong as such in pronouncing the sound ‘ps’ and giving re-birth and recognition that to the real meaning of the title.

    Obama was correct in pronouncing the ‘ps’ even when it is not the way we are used to hear the word pronounced. Obama pronounced based not on a modern standard but  based on a ‘video image’ of what the word stands for. His so called mistake was not a mistake at all.

    My only regret is that he himself mocked the ‘special olympics’ and that Emmanuel abused the word ‘retarded.’

  • AnnieCarmel

    Popular usage, Lark.  Go ahead if you wish and pronounce it “Corpse” but then you’ll sound as big a dork as The Dear Reader.

  • Cindy

    AC–I heard that evrybody in DC is stocking up on junk for superbowl game, cause they’ll be snowed-in. The Safeways have been swamped with shoppers, I’ve heard. When I lived there, the Safeway with the cheapest prices was in the Watergate! Too funny.
    Stay safe up there.

  • Cindy

    that was supposed to be “junk food” not “junk”!

  • Anonymous

    lark

    you’re just…weird. modernism/modernity have nothing to do with how one pronounces corpsman. you’re just making shit up.

    and your attempt at sounding academic makes you look incredibly awkward and foolish.

    you should…really…just…stop.

  • lark

    replace loose with lose everywhere.

  • FranSC

    As Forest Gump said, “Mama always said, ‘Stupid is as stupid does”.   I would also add, “Birds of a feather flock together.” 

  • AC

    Cindy, that’s what it looked like in the grocery stores yesterday.  I liked the Italian bakery (sweets) at the Watergate–don’t know what it’s like now though (or should that be “tho”).  Well lately, at least the people I know try to eat a little more healthfull, but junkd food does fool the “tung”.  ”Enoph” of the silly stuff.  Have a nice/good/great day.

  • oowawa

    Well, Freedom Fighter, I’m beginning to like you, whether you’re really naive and silly or are actually shrewd and snarky.  In any case, how could anybody not like “the carpings of anonymous internet ankle biters.”  It reminds me of the good old days of Spiro Agnew, when speechwriters Pat Buchanan and William Safire were helping him to come up with jewels like “nattering nabobs of negativism” or “hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.”  Cheers!

  • stodghie

    ff, constitution scholar? hell no

  • Guest

    You don’t think it’s incredible disrespectful to mispronounce a person’s name or profession in a public presentation ? On second thought, maybe that is a valid metric for his attitude towards the US Military…

  • sarainitaly
  • sarainitaly

    are we supposed to start calling Colonel’s, col-o-nels? 

  • Diana L. C.

    Wow!  Lark, you remind me of the little girl who used to go to our local roller skating rink.  Every time she fell flat on her hiney, she would proudly say, “I meant to do that!”

    I hope your bottom is not too sore.  But your amazing insight into Obama’s mind seems a little bogus to me.  He is uneducated, not brilliant; and your are uneducated and pretend you meant to be that way.

    (I really am going to have to send my avatar from the other computer to this one so I don’t confuse people.  I love my little bookworm avatar, but now I’m growing fond of my Hillary avatar.  What to do?  If I could have one like it the movie, I’d take it.  To be tall and thin would be like being in heaven. :-D )

  • AnnieCarmel

    Too loose Lautrec.

  • Mandelay

    esprit, osprey
    let’s call the whole thing off!  

    Hey, Ella has a dandy recording of that:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oEmPP5dTM

  • FLDemFem

    Someone should email that to the White House. They really need to hear it. O:-)

  • tarma

    Harvard valedictorian? Hell, no!

  • Diana L. C.

    OOPS!  I forgot to mention how I love this one from you, lark.

    “And that is consistent with everything else he purports to spouse.”

    The word “spouse” as a noun means one to whom you are married.  As a verb, which it would be when you put it after a “to” to make it the infinitive form of a very, could only have a very archaic (that means very old) meaning of “to marry.”

    I don’t think you meant that, though I am SURE you will rationalize how you did mean that.  I think you mean to use the verb “espouse.”

    Just a little schooling for you that you can’t get in Obama’s training camps.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Actually I see a “photo op” coming….. off to The Marine Corps with teleprompter in hand!

    Hell yea!

  • Diana L. C.

    OOPS!  I forgot to point out something from your response, lark, for your education–the kind you won’t get in the Obama Corps. (Go ahead, prounounce the “ps” if you must.)

    This sentence of yours gave me some chuckles: “And that is consistent with everything else he purports to spouse”

    The word “spouse” as a noun means the person to whom one is married.  When you make it a verb, as you do when you put it after a “to” (that, by the way is the infinitive form of a verb) would make it mean “to marry.”  (A very archaic–meaning “old” in case you don’t know–use of that word as a verb)  Does he really purport to marry whatever it is you were trying to assert he was going “to spouse”?

    Really, you meant to use the word “espouse.”  But maybe I am wrong.  You will find a way to rationalize, I am sure, that you meant to say “to spouse.”

  • felizarte

    I bet Hillary would have pronounced corpsman correctly.  So do 99.99999 of those in the military.  The Commander-In-Chief makes it less than 100%.

  • felizarte

    Come now Lark . . . you’ve had your laughs for the day.  

  • FLDemFem

    AC, hope your corpus doesn’t end up delecti. :-P

  • FLDemFem

    lark, the definition of “corpse” is a dead body. The phrase “dead corpse” is redundant. And given your posts, I do understand your sensitivity to the abuse of the word “retarded”. It must have hit very close to home.

  • Sassy

    AC, 20 inches of snow?
    I guess hell will finally freeze over! LOL!
    Stay safe friend!

  • Anonymous

    For quite awhile when I was a teenager, because I had heard one usage and read the other, I thought that there were two different words — fassade – soft c and short a – (which I had only heard in reference to someone putting up a false face or mask) and facade — hard c and long a — which was a false front of a building (which I had only seen in print). It wasn’t until I was older that they were the same thing and that I had just been pronouncing the word using usual rules of phonics.

  • AC

    My condolences to you HARP.

  • AC

    ” deliberately planted”  naaa, he’s just not very smart.  An empty vessel for people to fill with their own expectations.

  • atti

    Don’t forget, everyone, this bozo was the Editor of The Harvard Law Review.
    Were they serious, or was that an inside joke.  Who would pay all that big money for their kids to go to that shit institution.  If it was a joke let us in on it…alas, I don’t think it was.  The Ivy League is shit country.

  • lark

    You have to make the changes that change my errors into correctness. Sort of like an editor I guess. What I don’t know I don’t know. And I don’t know a lot of English. I have no way of changing myself into an English proficient person.

  • EllenD

    Thanks, Annie. It’s one of my pet peeves (” loose” used as “lose”). One of my other one is “alls” instead of “all”. Where the heck did that “s” come from? I laughed myself silly on the Murphy Brown episode when she finally went ballistic about it to Wallace Shawn.

  • EllenD

    Stuart and Stewart are alternatives of the same name from the Norman conquest. A number of French names became Anglicized – St. Clair became Sinclair.

  • lark

    Everytime I pronounce it it sounds different to me. I liked the way Obama pronounced it. Everytime I speak even the same words, they sound different. Why? I don’t know.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Yes, mine too.  It just grates on my ear when I hear that one too.  “All” means “all”…complete.  POTUS doesn’t need any more “s’s” to hiss.  Makes my ears hurt.

  • FLDemFem

    Obama is having a Superbowl party, bi-partisan and some wounded vets too!!  And he is giving an interview to Katie Couric before the Superbowl. l hope the football fans’ TVs survive the interview.

  • EllenD

    lark – you’re a young kid having fun poking people with this stupid position – right? I’m not even bothering with you.

  • EllenD

    Yes, no one pronounces Wednesday the way it is spelled.

  • POdVet

    Even Bush didn’t screw that one up!

  • AnnieCarmel

    He always slurs his words.  “Ta” instead of “to”.  He and MeShill always droppin’ the “g’s” trying to be one of the commoners?  The Dear Reader/Rapper in Chief merely sounds sloppy. 

    BTW, as posted elsewhere, can you imagine a wounded soldier crying out “Corpse Man!  Corpse Man!”…I think not.

  • EllenD

    ooo are they still paying you guys to post this stuff?

  • candymarl

    I think that those who say this isn’t important are missing the point. The media and much of academia have touted Obama as the most articulate and intelligent President ever. They always leave out the fact that Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Harvard Law vs Rhodes Scholarship. Which takes more brain power?
    Of course this isn’t the most important issue at hand.
    But if you allow yourself to be characterized as more intelligent than any other President in the history of the US you should be able to get certain things correct.  Such as pronouncing certain words. Just saying.

  • lark

    Just for the record. Years and years ago my SAT score in Spanish was 800. My English score was: 1999 – 800 – 677 in math = 522 English. Pretty bad, no? I hated English anyway. I still do. So I have fun with it. English is fun.

  • surfered

    George W. Bush could not pronounce nuclear.

  • lark

    Just for the record. Years and years ago my SAT score in Spanish was 800. My English score was: 1999 – 800 – 677 in math = 522 English. Pretty bad, no? I hated English anyway. I still do. So I have fun with it. English is fun.

  • Guest

    He’s either showing off his elitist credentials as an obvious outsider to military culture or reading words of the TelePrompter totally disengaged and unthinking. Talking about “corpse-men”  in the context of citing 57 states, bowing to foreign dignitaries including the American-born mayor of Tampa (and still doesn’t have the bow correct), O-ree-on” (Orion) and immodestly how he “gives better than he gets” I tend to give more credance to the latter. 

  • candymarl

    George Bush was not touted as the most intelligent President in the history of the US either. Obama was and continues to be labeled as such.

  • oowawa

    Ooooo–Super Bowl Party!  I wonder if he’s going to serve some Horse Doovers?

  • FLDemFem

    lark, you don’t know a lot of English, yet you persist in correcting the pronunciation of those who do. Now that is hubris!

  • SFIndie

    Only if we’re Corporal LeBeau of Hogan’s Heroes…

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Ellen — “Alls I know is it’s and its are always misused.” ;)
    (Love Murphy Brown)

  • Cindy

     no one pronounces Wednesday the way it is spelled.

    I’ll bet Obama does! Go ahead…put it on the ‘prompter and see what happens!

  • Cindy

    you are a scream, oowawa!

  • Guest

    Bush’s “nukular” was a widespread regionalism an acceptable and common pronunciation of the word in many parts of the country—just not where the people who want us to think how smart they are normally live.

  • lark

    No. I believe in Postmodernism and I live as a postmodern. I am not more postmodern because it would be too painful.

  • lark

    No. I believe in Postmodernism and I live as a postmodern. I am not more postmodern because it would be too painful.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Holy crap! Can’t he stay off tv for even one day?!

  • lark

    No. I believe in Postmodernism and I live as a postmodern. I am not more postmodern because it would be too painful.

    I don’t read anymore about postmodernism because it hurts. Except I just ordered from Amazon 1 of Postmodern Consumer Research: The Study of Consumption as Text which I am waiting its arrival.

  • lark

    No, because I haven’t corrected anybody I think. I said that to me Obama’s pronunciation is okay for me. And I gave my reasons. You pronounce it the way you know it is correct. I allow various correct pronunciations.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    fanofguest — don’t you have something more important to do than post here?

  • lark

    I allow the Chinese pronunciation to be correct. Just as I allow the Japanese, Philipino, Cuban, Mexican, Canadian, British, French, Israeli, etc. All the pronunciations are okay with me as long as I understand them.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Absolutely, candymarl!
    And Bill Clinton graduated from Yale Law School, as did Hillary.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    That’s been covered already. You need to show up for class earlier. 

  • FLDemFem

    PE, how could he pass up that huge audience waiting for the Superbowl? Especially since these days most people change the channel when he comes on the TV. This way he can be pretty sure they will only mute him until the game comes on. Just be grateful he isn’t doing it at half-time!
    8-)

  • FLDemFem

    Yeah, like “joolery” instead of “jewelry”. Neither “nukular” or “joolery” are correct. They are the product of sloppy minds and lazy mouths.

  • J.J. (The Puma)

    Only the French would come up with a word that has two consecutive letters “PS”, where both are silent.  What the hell are we doing using French words anyway.  

    I’m glad we go this cleared up.  I thought Obama was saying the guy was part of some burial detail.

  • J.J. (The Puma)

    Bush took the oath of office in just one take…..twice.

    This flub by Obama is significant because it plays into the narrative that he really does not care that much about the military.

  • Required Reading

    Oh good — if we’re entering the “postmodern zone” where “nothing is fixed,” maybe Obama really isn’t President and this is all a dream sequence — all of a sudden this whole thing has put me in a good mood.  Gosh, maybe I don’t have to pay my taxes this year or drive on the right side of the road.  Maybe people can just string any words of any pronunciation together and expect everyone to understand them. Oh wait – I’m a native English speaker in Miami — that IS the way it works down here,

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think it would be wonderful if ALL of the letters the French use were silent, then we wouldn’t be bothered by their pompous blathering.

  • FLDemFem

    That’s some trip, Onofre’s arm, do be sure to get your shots. Would hate to see you come down with something icky.
    ;)

  • Onofre’s arm

    Helen Thomas is most certainly a Press Corpse.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well, the French in Monty Python’s “Holy Grail” did call Knights– K’niggots. Perhaps Obama is taking an indirect shot at Sarcosy by intentionally botching a French derived word.

  • FLDemFem

    atti, the year that Obama got the editorship of the Law Review was the first year that it was voted on. Before that the editor was chosen based on the quality of his work. That year, it was a popularity contest, not a reward for merit and accomplishment. Obama was very good at schmoozing, it’s how he got through school, and life. After his tenure as editor, during which he didn’t publish anything, they made it a requirement that the editor of the Law Review publish during his time as editor, and added more requirements for the editorship. It really embarrassed Harvard Law that the editor of the Law Review was someone who had nothing to say about law.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Heavens to Betsy!  Have I time traveled back to the 60′s?  Post Modern…there is no good, no bad, no heaven, no hell, evil does not exist…no judgements please, blah, blah, blah, bleeeeeeeeh.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Oh, dear.  Hilarious.  That’s a keeper.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I love that the LV Mayor will not meet with him should he choose to come the his town.  I wouldn’t walk across the street to see him either and never would I shake his hand.  I did, however, wait in the Mission in SF during a rare heat wave for Bill.  What energy he brought!

  • AnnieCarmel

    I love that the LV Mayor will not meet with him should he choose to come to his town.  I wouldn’t walk across the street to see him either and never would I shake his hand.  I did, however, wait in the Mission in SF during a rare heat wave for Bill.  What energy he brought!

  • econsmed
  • AnnieCarmel

    OMG, Love that.  Thanks!

  • Onofre’s arm

    I’ve always worried about catching Chirpys, it’s a Canarial disease that is apparently untweetable.

  • AnnieCarmel

    LOL!  Thank you, Ruthie!  Telling it like it is! 

  • AnnieCarmel

    I think that’s whore’s deuvers

  • lark

    It can be pronounced three ways:

    Two ways as shown here: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=corpsman&submit=Submit

    And then as the President pronounced it.

    Also Chinese, Japanese, Phillipino, Israeli, British, Canadian, Indonesian, Brazilian, Argentinian, pronounce it a little different each.

  • Senneth

    This post is truly a hoot.  What a laugh-fest…

  • hot Librarian

    Lark…The word corps is French but with a worldwide usage eg in any military & in ballet eg Corps de ballet.

    In french a cors is a different word. There is also the Irish band the Coors. I think it is their surname.

    What i think may be just an American usage is Corpsman . A corps is a group yet man is singular.but the idea is that he /(lately she also) serve the corps?

    I have not come across this term anywhere else . I have a family member in the medical wing of the army.(civilian trained universty degree nurse).

    For similar work the usual name is a Medic which is a military trained medical

    Certainly for the rest of the world a corPSman sounds like a carrier f corpses.
    Of course in HAITI & their voodoo.zombie religion it must be HUGE>

  • kenoshamarge

    Thanks for the laugh Harp. Not much of a Pat Boone fan but this was priceless! :-D

  • Required Reading

    I would like to see him try: Wen-es-day, the t’well-lif-tha of
    Feb-are-u-airy

  • Required Reading

    Oh, this is great.  If ever I need a good laugh, I’m going to come back here and read that Barack Teleprompter Obama is “the most intelligent man in the history of human civilization.”

  • lark

    Obama is the new.

    Most pastors, preachers and priest after thousands of sermons end their lives as agnostics and atheist. Scientist end their lives as believers and candy makers as diabetics.

    When you trash deliverance you get uncertainty.

  • FLDemFem

    candymarl,
    About the Rhodes Scholar vs. Harvard Law..to be a Rhodes Scholar you must have a 4.0 average all the way through school, including high school. You must have a demonstrable involvement in community service, you must have extra curricular activities that involve intellectual exercise, and you must have excellent character references. To get into Harvard Law you need an undergraduate degree from a university, and at least average grades. For Obama, Affirmative Action took care of the rest. Bill Clinton came out of the public schools in Arkansas to go to George Washington University on scholarship, then onto Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar, then Yale Law School. Not one single instance of preferential treatment due to his color, unlike Obama who went to an exclusive prep school in Hawaii, then Occidental which is known as a “feeder school” for the Ivy League for foreign students. If a foreign student comes to the US to attend an Ivy League school and doesn’t have the academic background to pass the entrance exams, they go to a school like Occidental to bring their academics up to standard. I have read that a former room-mate of Obama’s at Occidental said that Obama got a scholarship for foreign students to go to Columbia. That is why I want to see his school records. If he did get such a scholarship, then he either lied on the application form, and for that sort of scholarship you have to swear an affidavit that you are a citizen of the country you are claiming to be from, or he lied when he said he was an NBC. The first instance would mean he is guilty of grand larceny by fraud, the second that he is ineligible for the presidency. And we, the American people, have the right to know.

  • Onofre’s arm

    To be fair, long before Bush, Jimmy Carter, a man who served on a NUCLEAR sub, always pronounced it “nucular”. Carter, like Obama, was also considered by many to be possessing of vast intellect, and just like Obama, the proof of that intelligence is little more than anecdote and sycophant gushing.

  • lorac

    The other lark usually talks about religion.

  • lorac

    Everytime I speak even the same words, they sound different. Why? I don’t know.

    I think you’re next going to mention that you have “the munchies”….

  • atti

    The Marine’s motto is:  Semper Fidelis.  Because Latin is so grammatically different than English, one can often translate freely,  One translation is ” Always True to the Corps,” or “The corps forever”, etc.   My God, I hope Obama never tries that one.
    He really is a fucking idiot, a perfect example of waste product from the shit country of the Ivy League.  Congratulations Harvard and Columbia, you gave America its first presedential turd.

  • atti

    The Marine’s motto is:  Semper Fidelis.  Because Latin is so grammatically different than English, one can often translate freely,  One translation is ” Always True to the Corps,” or “The corps forever”, etc.  Can you imagine the Obamic pronunciation of those?  He should use “Semper Fye”.
    He really is a fucking idiot, a perfect example of waste product from the shit country of the Ivy League.  Congratulations Harvard and Columbia, you gave America its first presedential turd.

  • atti

    The Marine’s motto is:  Semper Fidelis.  Because Latin is so grammatically different than English, one can often translate freely,  One translation is ” Always True to the Corps,” or “The corps forever”, etc.  Can you imagine the Obamic pronunciation of those?  Please, someone in the White House tell him he should use “Semper Fye”. 
    He really is a fucking idiot, a perfect example of waste product from the shit country of the Ivy League.  Congratulations Harvard and Columbia, you gave America its first presedential turd.

  • atti

    The Marine’s motto is:  Semper Fidelis.  Because Latin is so grammatically different than English, one can often translate freely,  One translation is ” Always True to the Corps,” or “The corps forever”, etc.  Can you imagine the Obamic pronunciation of those?  Please, someone in the White House tell him he should use “Semper Fye”.  
    He really is a fucking idiot, a perfect example of waste product from the shit country of the Ivy League.  Congratulations Harvard and Columbia, you gave America its first presedential turd, but at least, you advanced Affirmative Action.

  • atti

    FLDemFem, thank you for the enlightenment.  It all makes sense now.

  • atti

    FLDemFem, thank you for the enlightenment.   So it turned out to be an example of disastrous Affirrmitive Action.   It all makes sense now.

  • atti

    I have read that a former room-mate of Obama’s at Occidental said that Obama got a scholarship for foreign students to go to Columbia.
    Wow! That is so cool and damning.  Thank you, Fem.

  • atti

    O’Reilly made it a point to say that W was a very bright guy.  You shouldn’t confuse a genetic bent for bumbling with intelligence.  There are example of that all around us.  No, W was a smart fellow.

  • Lee

    Obama gives me hope…HOPE that he’s not re-elected.  What a doofus Obama is. 

  • FLDemFem

    “Semper Fidelis” means “always faithful”..period. I had eight years of Latin in school, and I still read Latin. So, it means “always faithful”, and any interpretations must be on its application, not its meaning.

  • FLDemFem

    “Semper Fidelis” means ” forever loyal”, or “always faithful”, in Latin. I had eight years of Latin in school and can still read it rather well. Any other interpretation of Semper Fidelis must be in its application, because its meaning is, and always has been, “forever loyal”. “Fidelis” is the root word for fidelity, a word that has been in the press rather often of late.

  • lark killer

    Lark… stop with the stupidity already… Corpsman comes from the Hospital Corps of the Navy (That is an organization) – not because they deal with corpses. 

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