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Georgia v. Russia: “The 3 a.m. Phone Call is Real”

Real Clear Politics, Mona Charen, August 14, 2008:

It was a near perfect laboratory test — the sort that real life rarely provides until it’s too late — for how the two nominees for president would respond to an international emergency. (It also tested the current president — more on that in a moment.) Sen. Obama flunked. His first response was to urge restraint upon “both sides” — that is upon the rapist and the rape victim.

Of Note: For those with questions about this complex issue, the New York Times is taking questions and providing answers. It is also notable that some of the British press has an entirely different view: “This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression,” the UK’s The Guardian. On the other end of the spectrum is Charles Krauthammer. His column in today’s Washington Post: “How to Stop Putin” (posted at RealClearPolitics.com).

Here is the latest statement from John McCain (we didn’t get yesterday’s up, so I am posting that below):

“We Are All Georgians”

“This small democracy, far away from our shores, is an inspiration to all those who cherish our deepest ideals. As I told President Saakashvili on the day the cease-fire was declared, today we are all Georgians. We mustn’t forget it.” — John McCain

“We Are All Georgians” | by John McCain
The Wall Street Journal | August 14, 2008

For anyone who thought that stark international aggression was a thing of the past, the last week must have come as a startling wake-up call. After clashes in the Georgian region of South Ossetia, Russia invaded its neighbor, launching attacks that threaten its very existence. Some Americans may wonder why events in this part of the world are any concern of ours. After all, Georgia is a small, remote and obscure place. But history is often made in remote, obscure places.

As Russian tanks and troops moved through the Roki Tunnel and across the internationally recognized border into Georgia, the Russian government stated that it was acting only to protect Ossetians. Yet regime change in Georgia appears to be the true Russian objective.

Two years ago, I traveled to South Ossetia. As soon as we arrived at its self-proclaimed capital — now occupied by Russian troops — I saw an enormous billboard that read, “Vladimir Putin, Our President.” This was on sovereign Georgian territory.

Russian claims of humanitarian motives were further belied by a bombing campaign that encompassed the whole of Georgia, destroying military bases, apartment buildings and other infrastructure, and leaving innocent civilians wounded and killed. As the Russian Black Sea Fleet began concentrating off of the Georgian coast and Russian troops advanced on one city after another, there could be no doubt about the nature of their aggression.

Despite a French-brokered cease-fire — which worryingly does not refer to Georgia’s territorial integrity — Russian attacks have continued. There are credible reports of civilian killings and even ethnic cleansing as Russian troops move deeper into Georgian territory.

Moscow’s foreign minister revealed at least part of his government’s aim when he stated that “Mr. Saakashvili” — the democratically elected president of Georgia — “can no longer be our partner. It would be better if he went.” Russia thereby demonstrated why its neighbors so ardently seek NATO membership.

In the wake of this crisis, there are the stirrings of a new trans-Atlantic consensus about the way we should approach Russia and its neighbors. The leaders of Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine and Latvia flew to Tbilisi to demonstrate their support for Georgia, and to condemn Russian aggression. The French president traveled to Moscow in an attempt to end the fighting. The British foreign minister hinted of a G-8 without Russia, and the British opposition leader explicitly called for Russia to be suspended from the grouping.

The world has learned at great cost the price of allowing aggression against free nations to go unchecked. A cease-fire that holds is a vital first step, but only one. With our allies, we now must stand in united purpose to persuade the Russian government to end violence permanently and withdraw its troops from Georgia. International monitors must gain immediate access to war-torn areas in order to avert an even greater humanitarian disaster, and we should ensure that emergency aid lifted by air and sea is delivered.

We should work toward the establishment of an independent, international peacekeeping force in the separatist regions, and stand ready to help our Georgian partners put their country back together. This will entail reviewing anew our relations with both Georgia and Russia. As the NATO secretary general has said, Georgia remains in line for alliance membership, and I hope NATO will move ahead with a membership track for both Georgia and Ukraine.

At the same time, we must make clear to Russia’s leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world. The U.S. has cancelled a planned joint military exercise with Russia, an important step in this direction.

The Georgian people have suffered before, and they suffer today. We must help them through this tragedy, and they should know that the thoughts, prayers and support of the American people are with them. This small democracy, far away from our shores, is an inspiration to all those who cherish our deepest ideals. As I told President Saakashvili on the day the cease-fire was declared, today we are all Georgians. We mustn’t forget it.

Read The Op-Ed.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2008:

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:
John McCain On Georgia

“The situation in Georgia remains perilous. … The President’s statement of support for Georgia at this time is of critical importance not only to the Georgian people but to all countries that are closely monitoring Russian activities and actions.” — John McCain

John McCain
Media Availability
Birmingham, MI
August 13, 2008

John McCain: “The situation in Georgia remains perilous. I am pleased by President Bush’s statement this morning, and I support the various steps he outlined including the dispatch of Secretary Rice to Georgia and Europe, the delivery of humanitarian supplies to Georgia by sea and air, and U.S. insistence on Russian compliance with the terms of the ceasefire, which includes the withdrawal of all of its military forces from Georgia. The President’s statement of support for Georgia at this time is of critical importance, not only to the Georgian people but to all countries that are closely monitoring Russian activities and actions.

“I welcome President Sarkozy’s mediation and that of the European Union. I am concerned that the ceasefire agreement omitted any reference to Georgia’s territorial integrity. And, it’s clear that Russia is continuing military operations against Georgian targets despite the agreement, including in areas far from South Ossetia. I am deeply disturbed by reports of looting, burning villages, and killings of civilians that are in areas under Russian control. Anyone committing human rights abuses or acts in violation of the laws of war should be held accountable.

“At a time of high energy prices and instability in global markets, it’s important to understand that events in Georgia — part of a strategic energy corridor — affects individual lives far beyond the Caucasus. Because of the fighting, the Baku-Supsa oil pipeline has been shut down at a time when the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline is also closed. Those pipelines are critical for transporting oil from sources in the Caspian to points west.

“The United States has canceled a planned joint military operation with Russia, but we will now need to review the full range of our relations. With our NATO allies, we must address the future of the alliance’s relationship with Russia and with our G7 partners. We should discuss whether it makes sense for Russia to continue its participation in the G8. We’ll also need to review Russia’s aspiration for membership in the World Trade Organization.

“In addition, I urge discussions about an international peacekeeping operation, including canvassing nations for possible contributions to such a force. NATO should also begin anew, the discussions about a membership track for both Georgia and Ukraine. After the events of the past six days, no one should wonder why countries on Russia’s periphery so ardently seek the security guarantees that alliance membership represents.

“The situation in Georgia remains fluid and dangerous. As soon as possible, my colleagues Senator Lieberman and Senator Graham will be traveling to Georgia. They’re both members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. I hope that other members of the Armed Services Committee in the Senate and they will go together and receive an assessment of the situation and what we need to do in the future to avoid further escalation and also to protect the independence and freedom of the people of this brave democratic ally, the country of Georgia. Thank you.”

Watch John McCain’s Remarks

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On Monday, we published “Updates on Georgia Crisis + John McCain’s Latest Detailed Statement [Update].”

On Sunday, we published “WHAT THEY’RE SAYING: John McCain “Prescient” On Russia And Putin.” On Saturday, Larry Johnson wrote “Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor” — a must-read — and we have also published LisaB’s report, ““From Milk Toast Internationalist to Brave McCain-Like Warrior. . . In under 24 hours.,” “,” Saturday’s “John McCain’s Second Statement on the Crisis in Georgia,” and Friday’s original report, “McCain on Crisis in Georgia [Updates].”

OF NOTE: While this blog does not, and has no plans to, endorse John McCain for president, we continue to be impressed with his in-depth knowledge of the crisis in Georgia, and how very important it is to distinguish his statements from the single, vague statement by Barack Obama that any ignorant public relations person could have cobbled together!

  • ford

    I just read on Hillbuzz that they found a Barack Hussein M.Obama birth born on August 23, 1961 in Canada…..

  • Zaggs

    The time seems to be taking the Obama approach of no one is guilty. Georgia’s increase in military spending was done to bring their military more in line with NATO standards, not to piss off Russia (also it was only about 5 or 7% of their GDP not 15%). Not to mention the idea that a country cannot do what it will with its money and military inside its own borders without it being an act of aggression in beyond unbelievable. It is truly blaming a rape victim for the rape because of what she was wearing.
    And what do they mean “no evidence troops were in Gori”? There’s plenty of reporting. One reporter from Reuters was on a convoy starting off in Gori and heading towards Tbilisi before it veered off and camped out.

  • yttik

    “His first response was to urge restraint upon “both sides” — that is upon the rapist and the rape victim.”

    That’s a great article, Susan. Mona Charen nailed it with that sentance.

    I read some of Obama’s statments about the conflict in Kenya and felt the same way. He was basically advising the Kenyans to just chill, like he didn’t understand that people were being locked in churches and burnt to death.

  • Morgan

    For me, beyond the disagreement I have with him over how to frame the issue, he is just inept. He actually was dumb enough to call for UN Security Council resolution, with Russia as a permanent member. Regardless of his beliefs, he’s just unaware of reality. Just clueless.

  • simanov

    Link?

  • Dawnelle Leona del Puma

    ok so is there any recent news on what’s happening today? I’ve been gone from TV News and NET most of the day?

    Is the cease fire really holding?
    I heard something about that being phony as well?

  • Chicago Joe

    That’s been disproven as a hoax. I read it here or on a similar blog.

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  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Before we get too gung-ho here, how many of you are willing to sacrifice American lives for Georgia?

    I’m not.

  • insix

    look at drudgereport.com, this is not good. Bombing all airports, 100 tanks pushing through Georgia…

  • Rob in Chicago

    Come on Ivory Bill – we all know that this (like most international flare-ups these days) is about oil, natural gas and pipelines, and the control of those resources. Democracy and Georgia are just the window dressings.

  • simanov

    The point is, America must stand with it’s allies especially one that stood with us in Iraq.
    Pressure on Russia does not necessarily translate to the loss of American lives, there is quite a bit that can be done.

  • Hope is the last to die

    I’m not suprised by Guardian’s article. The west europe is living on Russia’s natural gas whereas none of the countries in east europe want anything to do with it. We don’t even want their pipes here. Because we know Putin is all about demands, threats and pushy politics whereas the west is too naive to see who they’re dealing with. He will take any excuse to send troops to foreign soil (Estonia, anyone?) and punish countries refusing to play by his rules (Ukraine, anyone?) Just wait and see when the gas prices go way up and west europe is panicking when the pipes are closed for those who aren’t paying.

    Russia’s army planes are constantly flying in everyone’s airspace, all the countries are being told what they must or musn’t do. According to them all the EU countries are seen as enemies, NATO countries will be targeted with missiles. Finland wants to join NATO but they’re afraid after seeing the treatment Georgia and Estonia has received and how weak EU and NATO have been.

    I’m constantly reminded how blind the west truly is. Even now the media is repeating Russia’s propaganda and blaming the current incident on Georgia. Is Europe really that scared of Russia or just plain moronic? I have to say I’ve always thought of McCain as ‘ok’ but now I’ve really started to like him. It’s time for someone to say STOP to Putin. Do what you want in your country but leave us alone.

  • BernieO

    I am not a Georgian or a Russian in this conflict, I am a South Ossetian! Until someone explains to me why the west has the right to decide that South Ossetia has to be a part of Georgia when its people do not want to be and have refused to be a part of Georgia since it broke away from the USSR I have no sympathy for the Georgian government which escalated this conflict by bombing the capital of South Ossetia, killing civilians.
    Since the 90′s this impoverished, resource-poor area has functioned as a defacto separate nation, but we in the west have decided that they must be part of Georgia. We blather about self-determination but only when it suits out geopolitical interests. (We do not support Kurdish independence either even though they have also been functioning as their own country since the 90′s because it would upset the Turks, not because it is the democratic thing to do.)
    According to McClatchy the Bush administration:
    “…repeatedly warned Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to avoid giving the Kremlin an excuse to intervene in his country militarily, U.S. officials said Monday.”
    Also this:
    “The Russians have clearly overreacted but President Saakashvili . . . for some reason seems to think he has a hall pass from this administration,” said former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/v-print/story/47631.html

    On top of this we had no clue the Georgians were about to do this. Talk about having no foreign policy credibility and lousy intelligence about a conflict we have been worried about!

    Also in the same article our State Department says:
    “We thought we had an understanding with the Russians that any response would be South Ossetia-focused. Clearly it’s not.”

    So we gave the Russian our OK for them to respond, but them were surprised when they did more than we said was OK with us? Does that make any sense?

    None of this means we should ignore Putin’s using this incursion as an excuse to react with overwhelming force. We cannot ignore it, particularly since he has brutally invaded Georgia proper. It looks to me like everybody is wrong on this one – except the South Ossetians who want to be independent.

  • Rob in Chicago

    We stood back and implicitly encouraged the Russians to take stern and violent measures against Chechnya, so we should not be surprised when the Russian bear gores our ox as well. I’m surprised that Russia did not take more stern measures with Kosovo, but then maybe that was because they had no oil or pipelines that were beyond their control.

  • Deelee

    Tim Kaine (falsely) credits Obama with instigating a cease-fire in Georgia. Shouldn’t he also be held partly responsible for the attack by Russia in the first place, by not doing his job ofbeing aware of growing threat and preempting it with recomendations to NATO/US.

    “Obama is chair of The Subcommittee On European Affairs.

    It has Jurisdiction over the countries of Europe, as well as NATO activities. “Jurisdiction: The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe … and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.”

    He hasn’t convened a single meeting.

    Obama has never held a single policy hearing on anything, not Afghanistan, or anywhere else”.

  • Dritches

    Susan,

    Why are you promoting hard right neo con writers on this blog?

    Mona Charen
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    Mona Charen is a nationally syndicated columnist, political analyst, and the author of two best-selling books, Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got it Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First (2003) and Do-Gooders: How Liberals Harm Those They Claim to Help — and the Rest of Us (2005). She typically writes about foreign policy, terrorism, politics, and culture.

    Where are your progressive research pieces on this conflict like you used to write about Sudan on dkos?

    Spiegle in Germany is reporting that Russia might not have even entered Gori.

    Why is LJ promoting GOP cold war redeux talking points?

  • fred

    Michael I. Butera, a Clinton delegate “It is as if they are trying to foment a floor fight at the convention,” he said. “Which by the way, is fine with me.
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • jason

    citing Mona Charen? Fox news appearances? pimping the swift boat book? what has become of this site?

  • Dritches

    Like what?
    Weapons sales?
    Training?
    Logistical support?

    Those have already been done.

    Sanctions? Not bloody Likely.

    Larry claims Russia has spies in Georgia, and then in the next sentence claims the speedy reaction to the Georgian offensive is proof the counterstrike was planned ahead.

    He never mentions that the opportunistic moves by the Georgians on the day of the Olympic ceremonies must have been planned in advance, and therefore susceptible to the Russian espionage efforts.

    The real question is what larry gets from promoting a return to the cold war era.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    This site, like PUMA itself is a GOP fraud.

    Where’s the 10million PUMA bucks that were supposed to pay of Hillary’s debt?

    Or the Million emails in your pro-Hillary campaign?

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Maybe he is a foreign lobbyist for the Georgian government, too.

    We are all paid $200,000 by Georgia now!!!!!

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Well, according to McCain, this is about Jesus and oil.

  • Steve1

    Dritches Go to your beloved fake MSM cable outlets, they are reporting and showing pics and videos of the Russians in Gori! I guess you are an appoloogist? You still believe OJ is innocent! Now stop spreading lies.

  • Ferdberfle

    Were you born stupid or did you work really hard to get that way? Just curious.

  • simanov
  • bmc

    I wouldn’t be so quick to side with Georgia, either. Saakashvili is really not a leader the US should trust. He’s a nutcase.

    Saakashvili is trouble with a capital T…

    http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=295154

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Castro of Cuba, Gaddafi of Libya, Kim Jong of North Korea, Hamas, and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela have all voiced support for Obama.

    Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, Faher Michael Pflger and Rashid Khalidi.

    Obama attends the Trinity United Church of Christ which gave Farrakhan the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award saying he (Farrankhan) “truly epitomized greatness.”

    Obama: “America is no longer what it once was.”

    Obama has 0 years experience in the Military.

    Obama to Putin, with his friends above, his trolls, supporters and the MSM cheering him on:

    “Vladimir, here are the keys to America. Make it just like Russia!”

  • simanov

    Barry Barack Hussein Obama Soetotos is a name CHANGE you can believe in.

  • Dritches

    Or the PUMA convention which was ‘sold out’, yet nobody saw them anywhere they said they would be. Then Bowers said 65 pumas sneaked away to another hotel. Problem is that hotel has no meeting rooms or conference facilities.

    Algre claims amazing networking went on. The hotel they claim it happens had no idea what puma was when contacted and had no group booking for 65 people.

    Bowers and Murphy are fooling people into paying for cocktail parties for their friends.

  • David A., Is That You Trolling?

    Obama is a fraud as are his trolls and and most of his supporters.

    Obama has people like Austin Goolsbe, Jason Furman and Paul Volcker on his economic team.

    Paul Volcker is Chair of the Trilateral Commission.

    Furman is one of Wal-Mart’s most prominent defenders. Some have stated that Jason Furman has overstated the potential benefits of globalization and social security private accounts.

    Goolsbe is a professor in the business school at the University of Chicago and reported to be a member of skull and bones. He is considered a libertarian because of his economic philosophies which includes an argument that the best job of assimilating immigrants is the free market and not government. Goolsbee has said 60-70% of the economy faces virtually no international competition. Therefore, globalization is not a major issue.

    Let’s face it-Obama is a globalist and America and American workers are not first on his list of concerns.

  • tzada

    So you don’t want to be part of Russia either? Or am I missing something?

  • joe

    Latest reports are that the Russians are still breaking the cease fire and Georgia reports that a column of 100 Russian tanks are rolling down the Black Sea coast to the port town of Poti.

    This is just not a good situation.

  • Steve1

    Hope – Well you can look to history for European fortitude. Look how they blew the prelude to WW II.
    Their fright and lack od courage lead to the worst war the world has ever experienced! They are always looking for the way out which leads them to one disaster to another. I tired of our country expending our youth and wealth to prop up these phonies. No wonder they look to and idiot like Obama, he stands with them “Lets blame the victim!”

  • pasmalltowngirl

    I found a very interesting read through a comment posted on Atlas Shrugs. I recommend it to everyone. Go to this link, and scroll down to a “Comment by Jim on June 17, 2008 @ 6:27 P.M.” “How & Why Obama Learned To Lie” Then go to the link he posted.

    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/?p=62

  • tzada

    Since it was his cousins supporters doing the killing I think there lies the answer. He also knew that Ordinga was going after either a shared Presidency or Prime Minister. Condi went over there and insisted that the elected president create the office of Prime Minister. (I lost respect for her over that.) I wonder if Obama will insist on being PM here when he loses?
    He has the UN in the USA for some reason.

  • Peggy Sue

    So I guess the film footage of American correspondents leaving Gori [on an advanced warning] then filming countless Russian armored vehicles and tanks entering Gori was doctored? A smear against the peace-loving Russians who, of course, have never cooked the books, served fiction for fact or proven their capacity for disinformation and brutality.

    Don’t believe your lying eyes, eh? An Obama, Kool-aid doctrine if ever there was one.

    Get real!

  • tzada

    What do you get as an Obamabot?

  • roseeriter

    Colin Powell NOT going to the DEM Convention- reported or retracted on Fox by Bill Kristol…

  • yttik

    ”…. If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan? So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option. ”

    -HRC, (floor speech on the Iraqi resolution)

  • Steve1

    Ha Ha Ha, Funny! Don’t forget, he loves to ride in Limos, makes him feel even more important. According to a Larry Sinclair, “thats not the only emotion he enjoys on those limo rides!

  • Karen4Hillary4McCain 08

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  • Bigtime

    Brain freeze from the cult-aid dritches? Might want to breath deep, put the cult-aid and cheetos down and join reality.

    Nobama!!!!!

  • Peggy Sue

    His first response was to mumble and stumble his way through a thorougly lame analysis of the situation on the ground. His second and third response was to guage the public mood, look at McCain’s unequivocal statement, and then “refine” his first position, calling it his own all along.

    This is the guy who leans over in class and copies your test answers because he’s not prepared.

    This is a man who is way over his head. And remember, Obama has a staff of 300 advisors on foreign policy, a mobile State Department. And this is what we get.

    There is no comparison. Susan Rice can keep screaming that McCain is bellicose and shooting from the hip. She only sounds as idiotic and pathetically unprepared as the man she’s working for.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama, will hand the keys to Russia.

    He has held so many secret meetings lately, it wouldn’t be surprising that Putin has been in one of the meetings.

  • tzada

    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.
    Pastor Martin Niemöller

    We are all Georgians today….
    Do I wish the USA to get involved in this conflict?
    Absolutely no. Do I wish to help the Georgians? For certain I do. This Russian aggression will not stop with Georgia. They are determined to take it all back and beyond. It needs to be stopped now. But not just by the USA. Stop it while the countries that are in the region are still strong. Do not let the bear pick them off, one by one by two. It has to be something the Europeans are involved in. America is seen as the policeman of the world. We are also despised for this, and despised if we don’t as well. That said, read what Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote again.

  • NO for O

    Barry should now realize that he is a complete incompetent when it comes to action. Three feeble attempts (speeches) to deliver a message of ???? I am not sure that he understands what is happening and how POTUS relates to what is happening. Oh, wait…on vacation.

    Gosh, in most states it is a three strikes and you’re out stand.
    It is time to stop pretending.

  • tzada

    after 9/11 Obama said he will stand with the Muslims too….

  • Steve1

    Obama has no sense of the world situation. His only claims for foreign policy experience are his claim of opposing the Iraq war (did he even give that speech) and his interference in the Kenya elections for his cousin Odinga, which led to bloodshed!

  • Skiron

    What is wrong with this statement?
    “Obama: “America is no longer what it once was.””
    That’s a plain fact. Bush and his cohorts have FUBAR’ed it for the last 8 years. Do you disagree with that?

    Also, perhaps I missed the memo on this one, but does one have to have experience in the military to be president now?

  • tzada

    Did you read about that dead man in Denver that had a pound of cyanide? The FBI is investigating it to see if it was an act of terrorism. Or going to be rather.
    He lived in Canada and had a Middle Eastern name ( I think)Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada.

    So you and all the other attendees be careful.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Yeah, the Larry Sinclair who has a disbarred lawyer who wears a kilt? And makes his livehood forging checks? That Larry Sinclair?

    WHere’s the 10million Puma Buck?

    Where’s the Whitey tape?

    How many of you signed that petition?

    Republican frauds, the lot of you.

  • Katmoon

    Umm is this you? Thought you might recognize yourself from the Ohhhhh sooo supportive O campaign site: Let’s be real, you are part of the mutiny party, not unity. No Obama ever.

    Omigod, will this never end?!?!?! The primary is over. Get over it!

    Will this make you Clinton people happy? Must we kiss your asses forever?
    Reply Posted 09:21 AM on 08/14/2008

  • tzada

    Show us his Selective Service registration. It was the law when he was the age to register. Or did he not register because he is not a citizen of the USA? If he is a citizen and he didn’t register then he broke the law.

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    One of the things that sets this blog apart from many others is that it allows differences of opinions. I’m very opposed to the far fringe right thinking and ideas, but, if they aren’t calling people morons, or swearing at them or seriously disrupting the board or preventing someone else from having their say, my own personal feeling is that they have the same right priveledge to post as I do.
    Blogs are not “democracies”, they are dictatorships and the owner of the blog is the dictator. You can have dictators who try to be democratic and allow freedom of speech or you can have dictators who are totalatarian (I didn’t spell that right, I know) and allow only what they agree with.
    What makes NoQuarter and TexasDarlin different from many blogs is the willingness of the owners and authors to allow these differences of opinion. They go even further, they even allow some of the trolls who aren’t plain out vulgar to have their say as well. This is one of the many reasons that I respect these two blogs and the people that run them.
    It’s easy to take down any oposing views or posts, however, it’s hard to take a stand and allow those who criticize you, disagree with you or even taunt you to have their say. It’s this integrity, this morality and this true patriotism for the rights laid forth in the constitution carrying over to a blog where they don’t have to be upheld, but are anyway, that makes NoQuarter and TexasDarlin the TRUE Jouralists they are.
    With that being said, I have no issue with taking down those who come just to be trolls and would not hold that against their integrity in any way. I’ve not seen them do that,and the filters pick up most of it, but if they did, they would be justified in doing so.
    From the movie “An American President”, The POTUS declared that supporting freedom of speech sometimes supporting the right of someone else to shout from the rooftops that which you believe to your very core to be wrong (paraphrased).
    Sorry for the very long post, but this is one of the many reasons I admire this and TD’s blogs so much.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Just like William Jefferson Blythe III.

    or

    Leslie Lynch King, Jr

    You know, the lying name changing fraud that pardoned Nixon?

    You punks are out of your element.

    Whe’re’s the 10million Puma Bucks?

    Where’s the whitey tape?

    Why did 9/11 happen when Larry Johnson said terrorism wasn’t a threat?

  • Steve1

    ummmm Where is Obama’s original BC? Where are his medical records? ummmmm, where are his records from his Illinois senate days? ummmm
    Where are his HLR articles? ummmmm

  • Katmoon

    You see I am so sick of lying trolls, so I have a page of fresh not so unity oriented remarks from the O campaign site; since the announcement of Senator Clintons name in roll call. So you want to come in here, and raise hell, you can listen to your own supporters words, and be so proud that you are part of a party that continues to denigrate,lie and scheme, but are stupid enough to post it out in the open. This post above probably isn’t yours, ummmm, but you all sound the same. Hate filled.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Show us his Selective Service registration

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-did-obama-actually-register-for-selective-service/2/

    Will you shut up now?

  • Katmoon

    Ummm, is this you? More Unity comments from the O campaign site..You just don’t get it, and you never will.

    This is a disaster. I can’t believe Obama caved on this. The convention is going to be a war now. And her people are going to try and steal this thing.

    Reply Posted 09:15 AM on 08/14/2008

  • UppityTroll

    ummm, I received a curious email in my inbox recently from Senator Clinton promising me a possible intimate dinner with her if I “Donate Now.” Reduced to gimmicky lottery contests aimed at even “trolls” when she has 18 million strong? Go, PUMA, take it to Denver!

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Yes, there is a great deal wrong with your logic, as well as Obama’s logic.

    How many years are we going to go back?

    America is greater in many ways than it once was.

    America has significantly improved its telecommunication system over the last several years. The list goes on and on but I’m not going to waste my time on someone who is irrational.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    Nope. Not I.

    I actually think the Convention is going to go quite swimmingly.

    Where’s the 10 million Pumabucks that was supposed to pay off Clinton’s debt?

  • Hope is the last to die

    That’s what I love about americans. You guys have balls.

  • Katmoon

    Dritches.. is this you? I take it you are an Obama supporter, some more unity from your campaign site

    Today at 2:53 pm EDT (Updated Today at 2:53 pm EDT)
    As I think more about it, adding her name to the nomination is a TOO MUCH! Her time is over and it is time for her supporters to rally behind Obama, without him leading them to water.

    This entitlement crap is driving me up a wall. Hillary should be treated as any other former candidate; speak a few kind words and bow out gracefully. We don’t see McCain paying hommage to Mitney and Huckabee supporters..smh.

  • Katmoon

    Uppity Troll you just plain stink of fear.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    That doesn’t prove jack shit, we need more tahn just someone claiming he did. Colour me jaded. But you and Barky are liars.

  • Katmoon

    So much fear, so little time, ehhh troll.

  • Skiron

    Upgraded the telecom system? Well, that’s just peachy. Meanwhile, Bush and co. just dropped half a trillion dollars on an ill-conceived war and mortgaged our children’s financial future away with tax cuts for the rich. So yes, America is no longer what it once was, and not for the better. It’s blindingly obvious to anyone, except perhaps a deranged PUMA.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    Don’t worry, if barky gets the nod and survives the 527 gauntlet, we will be.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    PS, I’d rather have a cold war president than a president who’s Putin’s poodle.

  • http://www.pumaalliance.wordpress.com hillgal08

    UppityTroll

    thanks for the advice. You don’t seem to understand that not being lunatic left like your man 0 does not equate to right wing, but hey, it’s supporters like you who remind us why we don’t like him or his supporters. Thanks.

  • Ferdberfle

    And so your want to fubar it some more by trying to get that half-wit OBush III from who-knows-where elected. For the record, you and your fellow travelers are part of the problem, Goober.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    “In December 1966, when John McCain requested his first combat assignment in Vietnam, Barack Obama turned 5 years old and was enjoying childhood.

    As Obama turned 7, McCain had survived a burning jet fire on the USS Forrestal and had just flown his 23rd bombing mission over communist North Vietnam.

    In 1973, as Obama reached age 12, McCain was finally released from a prisoner-of-war camp in the Hanoi Hilton.

    At age 15, when Obama was in high school, McCain became the commanding officer of a Naval Training Squadron in Florida. He turned a poorly managed military unit into a distinguished, combat-ready team.

    When Obama reached the legal age of 21 and was experimenting with pot and cocaine, McCain declined an admiral promotion and was elected to Congress.

    By 1987, Obama was 25 and McCain had assumed the office of senator from Arizona (after a successful four-year tour in the U.S. House of Representatives).

    At age 36, Obama looked on as Sen. McCain was named one of Time magazine’s 25 most influential people in America.

    Whom do we choose as our next leader?

    Do we choose a man with proven military and political achievements, and proud of America,
    or a man with little experience other than a stint as a community leader, junior senator and citizen of the world?”

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Is Uppity Troll the 50 year female socialist?

  • Ferdberfle

    Imperialist? You’re too rich. You come here supporting the Emperor sans clothes and call us imperialists.

    You are not only an obamabot but an early version obamabot. You need to update your talking points, sphincter-face.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Uppity Troll,
    Aren’t you the 50-year old female socialist that has been trolling under various names for months?

    Socialists think Jimmy Carter is a right wing radical so your comment is a compliment.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    This information is available under FOIA.

    You can file your own request. Very easy. Something tells me you’re two much of a coward to do so. And you’ll just shift the goalposts when if you did file your own request.

    Now what country does he have dual citizenship with since you got punked on Kenya?

  • Ferdberfle

    She didn’t authorize it you half-wit. She voted with the majority to authorize it as a last resort.
    You are a half-wit.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    Obama to Putin: “What can I do so we can be friends? Do you want Alaska back?”

  • Ferdberfle

    Let me give you a bit of advice, moron. If you really do want your idol Oblahblah to get elected, this is a really stupid way to go about it. But you keep on going; the more you post and weaken the nation, the more firm we are in our resolve to ensure that the pretender loses in November.

  • Peggy Sue

    Apparently, the Colin Powell story was “leaked” by the Obama folks. Wishful thinking, perhaps. Having someone of Powell’s stature at a Dem Convention would be quite a coup, followup endorsement or not.

    But according to Powell’s statement today: not going to happen.

  • Katmoon

    And when you register to run as a candidate, take out a student loan, social security card, etc. you have to list all your past known names(not to mention a passport).

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    If you support Obama, then you support Bush 3. You are not very smart, or well-educated, are you? Is that why Obama only pays you minimum wage to troll for him?

    If you were smart, you would have already known the following minimum wage troll:

    Obama has people like Austin Goolsbe, Jason Furman and Paul Volcker on his economic team.

    Paul Volcker is Chair of the Trilateral Commission.

    Furman is one of Wal-Mart’s most prominent defenders. Some have stated that Jason Furman has overstated the potential benefits of globalization and social security private accounts.

    Goolsbe is a professor in the business school at the University of Chicago and reported to be a member of skull and bones. He is considered a libertarian because of his economic philosophies which includes an argument that the best job of assimilating immigrants is the free market and not government. Goolsbee has said 60-70% of the economy faces virtually no international competition. Therefore, globalization is not a major issue.

    Let’s face it-Obama is a globalist and America and American workers are not first on his list of concerns. Obama is no different than Bush.

    You support Bush 3. Ha ha. You are the equivalent of a neo-con.

  • tzada

    The Ottawa Sun newspaper reported that Dirie was a member of the city’s Somali community and interviewed manager Addirizuk Karod, manager of the Somali Centre for Family Services, who recalled Dirie coming to the center with friends.

  • Freedom Fighter

    McCain’s advisor is a lobbyist for Georgia, McCain cannot be trusted to be an honest broker in this crisis. Barack Obama is the only one with the charisma, judgment, leadership, integrity, and capability to bring about peace in our time.

  • Ferdberfle

    You’re no democrat, Debbie. You’re a loser troll without a life. You need attention, even negative attention so you come here to get it.

    When did you change your name from Debbie?

  • Ferdberfle

    And you’re a bot without a functioning brain who works for a scumbag names Oblahblah. You post like a parrot and sound like an idiot.

    ESAD.

  • imustprotest

    You sound very controlling UT…you claim you are here for the “undecideds” who may stumble upon this site. You don’t even want them to “think for a nanosecond” Wow! You don’t want others to think because you have to think for them!! Not even a nanosecond of free thought??? This is worse than I thought. I mean, I know obamabullies are thugs an all but really, seriously, a nanosecond?

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    How old was Obama when McCain graduated at the bottom of his class?

    How old was Obama when McCain crashed 5 planes?

    How old was Obama when McCain sang like Pavoratti to the Vietcong?

    How old was Obama when McCain cheated on his crippled wife?

    How old was Obama when McCain’s ex wife and children had to stay with Edwin Meese because McCain was fucking a much younger, richer woman?

    How old was Obama when McCain was part of the Keating 5?

    How old was Obama when McCain called his wife a cunt? Or Janet Reno Chelsea’s father?

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    lying, like…

    Puma paid off Clinton’s debt. Like, THAT kind of lie?

  • jawbone

    After Saak.’s attacks on the Ossetians, I do not wish to be called a Georgian. Per the BBC reports, lots of Georgians are pretty upset with Saak. as well.

    Check out MoonofAlabama.org’s posts.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Look, Georgia is far away in no man’s land. We really have no interest and business there. The dispute is between Russia and Georgia. We should not take sides while we urge for a peaceful solution to the conflict. The last thing we want is impotent sabre rattling and escalate the precarious situation. If Bush had any sense, he should ask Barack Obama to act as an envoy and broker a peaceful solution. Barack is the only one who has the presidential capabilities to bring about peace in our time.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    “Socialist”? Yeah, you sure sound like a lifelong Democrat.

    The 18million Pumas are like the Whitey Tape and the fabled 10 million$…frauds.

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    Wow, what a poignant and intelligent comeback. I guess that completely discredits everything that was said.
    Yep, call them stupid or a moron and that means you win because you have so intelligently disputed each and every statement made by them by doing so.
    Who needs debating skills anymore? Just call your opponent “stupid” or something as equally childish and you automatically win! Maybe that’ll work for obamasoetoro when he debates McCain. He can just say “Yeah, but you’re old and wrinkly and I have shiny teeth!” and he automatically wins the debate and all those who were against him before are suddenly moved to give their votes to him, even the die-hard republicans who have been in the party for 50 years or more.
    Why didn’t anyone think of this before!!!!

  • Peggy Sue

    Don’t worry. If the Dems insist on a suicide pact and run Obama for POTUS, McCain will get our vote and the country’s majority. Anything else is insanity. Of course, you’re right–McCain did graduate 5th from the bottom of his class. Something he has actually admitted and commented on several times.

    But when it comes to that POW cell at the Hanoi Hilton? Hummmm. I think McCain managed to prove his mettle. Why? Because test scores or raw IQ does not equal leadership ability. And McCain’s understanding and grasp of international realities is vastly superior to that of Obama’s.

    Who would I pick? The Democrat who knows nothing, who seems to feel the world will change while we sing Kumbiayah or the Republican who has a clear and definitive point of view?

    I know where I stand. And I know how I’ll vote.

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    better Georgia than Iraq.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    You people are Republican frauds who were never going to vote for Obama anyway.

    Obama owes you psychos jack squat.

    So keep peddling the Selective Service lie, and the 18 million strong Puma lie, and the Whitey Tape lie.

    Keep standing shoulder to shoulder with a check forger in Larry Sinclair, A proffessed racist in Paula Abeles, A craven liar in Will Bower (where’s that 10 mil buddy?) and a 9/11 conspiracy nut in Jerome Corsi.

    Keep coming to the blog written by a man who though terrorism wasn’t a problem 2 months before 9/11.

    Keep calling Michelle Obama King Kong, and Obama supporters Wild Savages, and Obama himself an affirmative action.

    Keep calling him HUSSEIN.

    We will come here and mock you and expose you for the unhingesd racists, frauds, and Republicans you really are. You do not matter. You will fail. I guarantee it.

  • democrats4barr

    LMAO so i’m watching Hardball right now… and I just wanted to say that i’m glad to see these two brilliant minds are running PUMA.

    oh by and way… Darragh just admitted that they lied about the 6 million raised for Hillary.

    well, enjoy your day guys.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    It was 10 million, remember.

    Where did it go? Is it hiding under Larry Sinclair’s lawyers kilt?

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    You know that Gerry Ford and Bill Clinton were born with differen names, don’t you?

  • Katmoon

    Clean up on aisle 6, please.

  • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

    It’s Canada now?

    What happened to Kenya? An Indonesia?

    http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/garethpostans/not_this_shit_again.jpg

  • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

    I’m surprised this has happened since we have a Subcommittee on European Affairs. Has it met recently?
    I better do a google search….

    hmmmm, it hasn’t had a SINGLE meeting, none. That’s really weird.
    Oh wait, it’s chaired by, who is that? Barack Obama. Wow, he’s running for POTUS, is the chair for the Subcommittee on European Affairs and has not held one single meeting???? Doesn’t he know there are things going on over there that we need to be abreast of? I guess it’s not really important to him since Kenya isn’t in Europe.
    I wonder if he would bother holding meetings with joint cheifs of staff? I wonder if he would bother having meetings with anyone…. he could just rely on his “superior judgement” for everything I guess.
    He sure was a piss poor judge on everything that has come up so far. For some reason, I just don’t see that as “superior”. Silly me.

  • james

    Uh huh.

    What I see is a republican president who has launched an unnecessary, prolonged war that has cost us so much and has so depeleted our military supplies and strength that we can no longer oppose Russian intentions with anything but empty words.

    Then you’ve got that president’s hopeful republican successor, charging into the situation with lots of provocative talk that only provokes the Russians to demonstrate to the world just how empty those words actually are.

    Not to mention the possibility that his top foreign policy advisor may well have given his former clients–the Georgians–the erroneous impression that the U.S. would come riding to the rescue if their military incursion into South Ossetia blew up in their faces. In other words, McCain’s guy may actually be partially responsible for the whole sorry situation.

    Obama’s carefully worded condemnations of overreaction and his strong suggestions of undesirable economic and political consequences were a hell of a lot more likely to give the Russians pause for thought.

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    I’m becoming increasingly agitated at this whole thing. I read and hear people say that the US can not get involved and call names when we did the same thing in Iraq. These people are hypocrites.

    They sit around whining and crying about how the US was wrong for invading a soveriegn country. (That I can understand and agree with.) But when the same damn thing happens, insteading of standing up on the same princples they sit around giving excuses as to why we shouldn’t be involved. These people are COWARDS! They have no opinion when the sh*t hits the fan, but after the dust clears they all take sides and start pointing fingers. So while they’re sipping on their self stisfaction tea, the real men and real women handle the problems of today.. today, right now. They don’t sit around and wait and see how things turn out.

  • Mary

    When McCain answered that phone, he was instantly wide awake. He told the Russians to take a hike. When Obama picked up the phone, he remained 9/10 asleep and drooled, as Pagan Power put it, Why can’t we all just get along? In other words, McCain sounded like a President. Obama sounded like…a ninny.

  • an observer

    This Russia/Georgia thing is very complicated.
    Obama’s handlers are involved with manipulating Georgia politics for the purpose of poking the bear.
    The same Obama puppet masters we are fighting.
    This thing needs to be defused so we can refocus on the international economic collapse that is taking place.
    That is one of the purposes of instigating the confrontation.

  • R.c.

    I am sure happy that I am not the only person that feels this way. This is an issue between that affects those directly involved and the West has no jurisdiction here. For those that seem to be unable to justify Russia’s actions (even if overkill), I would like to see if they can justify the overkill “Shock and Awe” inflicted on the Iraqi’s. It is the same issue so you can’t call one right and the other wrong. So now look at the circumstances of why it was done. We have a people that have clearly said they do not want to be a part of the country that is trying to make them a part. There is a clear case here whereas we have yet to see one weapon of mass distruction recently. (I know there were such weapons during Dessert Storm because I was there and I saw scuds fly over head. The inspectors found none there right before the US invaded) Given that, tell me what is really justified.

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    Wow. That’s what complacent people like you said about Hitler. And we all remember how that turned out.
    Look, the US isn’t getting involved over Georgia. This was Russia’s way of flexing it’s muscle. I’m amazed that you think you can actually talk to Putin and he’ll just go away. He bombed another country talking ain’t gonna do squat. But I guess you can HOPE that it will.
    The US did the right thing. They let Russia know that we will not tolerate any crap, but we are sure as hell not going to send in troops. Airstrikes maybe, if things get worse, but no troops.
    The fact is IF Russia ever decides to stretch it’s arm father than Georgia, then it will no longer be Russia v Georgia or Russia v Estonia. It will be Russia v Europe and that means Russia becomes a threat. Period.
    Read a history book every now and then you will understand why people are a little on edge.

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    Hahahahaha.

    Utterly laughable. Putin would eat Obama like cornflakes.

  • http://nad Dan

    Hard ball good place to drink koolaid while you watch. Blind faith has beconned you. But at least here at NQ you have the right to free speech which is more that you can say about pro bambi blogs.McCain got this one right and Obama flunked. simple enough. Just like the surge in Iraq that is and has dramatically saved lives. Unlike Obama who was hoping for failure and more deaths and civil war for political gains. He’s a discusting nars.

  • R.c.

    That is very coincidental however, I cannot see why we keep questioning this stuff. This country has larger issues. Whether it is Obama or McCain, Neither are good for the US right now. We somehow need to be a friend to the world rather than inflicting our might right now. We are sleeping and allowing our greatest strength to further degrade (education of our young). When will we wake up. Obama was born in the U.S.; candidates have background and Security checks done to verify eligibilty. No matter who the president is, he/she can’t get anything done alone. We the people of the USA need to find an area of improvement and dedicate time there to make our own changes. We talk about a democracy, but I always hear how much the people disapprove of the President and the Candidates rather than exercising their rights as free citizens to make changes within their scope of influence. You don’t need the President to do that.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Bingo.

  • http://www.daveinboca.blogspot.com daveinboca

    It is patently ridiculous for the left to point fingers at the victim and blame Georgia for “inciting aggression.” And Bush had better do something to shore up the alliance after Putin spit in his eye while they were sitting next to each other in Beijing.

    Ukraine & Georgia’s NATO admission is one target of Putin’s chess game, the BTC pipeline, which will eventually be looped with Kazakh oil & Turkmen gas, obviating the chokehold Russia has on these two countries’ energy exports to the west, is the other.

    Poland should get the ABMs & Patriots right away, before Obambi can renege on the deal.

    Putin can scare EU-nuch nations such as Spain & Holland & Kleindeutschland [Putin speaks fluent German after running the KGB in the GDR], but France & the UK have grown a set, and Poland & the Czechs are now more strongly in the NATO camp than ever.

    Show any hesitation to brutal savage poisoners like Putin, and they will always move forward. Putin tried to poison the Prez of the Ukraine & is now trying to split NATO. The weakest link ……. probably Spain & the LOW countries.

  • karen for Clinton

    Like Susan said in the above article,

    “…vague statement by Barack Obama that any ignorant public relations person could have cobbled together!”

    UMMMM,

    Have you ever heard of HIPPA?

    The person you link to, Bob Owens could not have gotten an email revealing SS info from another person.

    He claims to have not used FOIA, he just asked and they sent him an email. He also will not give an actual copy of that email with the header information. Why? He is a liar and has no proof.

    Who do you think you can fool with your foolishness and for how long?

    We aren’t republicans, we are Hillary supporters, but when the Republicans carry out their blitz on ob, we will be nodding and saying “BINGO”

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “offensive is proof the counterstrike was planned ahead”

    You always have contingency plans: Everybody keeps alternative war plans, even for the US invasion of England or Canada in War Plan Red. Johnson just got carried away a bit with hyperbole since Russia’s interests do not align with ours here.

    That they have spies in Georgia is a no brainer, hell’s bells the fucking Russians have spies everywhere.

    In Georgia they better well have good intelligence because of the past conflict in the region. There have been RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS IN SOUTH OSSETIA SINCE 1992. There isn’t any use for peacekeeping if the chance of conflict is slight.

  • NotBrainwashed

    A typical troll tactic; attempt to distract us by attacking the other candidate whose accomplishments you WISH Obama could claim as his own. Listen “ummm” (coincidentally exactly how Obama sounds when forced to answer a question without a teleprompter!) your candidate has accomplished NOTHING HIS ENTIRE CAREER. NADA. ZIP. OBAMA HAS BEEN A SLACKER, A CHEAT, AND A LIAR WHO HAS LEECHED OFF OF OTHERS’ ACCOMPLISHMENTS HIS ENITRE LIFE AND HAS CALLED THEM HIS OWN! You know it and it just TORTURES you subconciously, doesn’t it, poor little Obot?

    His entire career has been characterized by his desire to be elected to higher positions. Nothing else whatsoever. We are better off with no president than the scumbag Barky. But you know what? I won’t trust an Obamatron like you to understand that. My voice will be best expressed on election day.

    PUMA McCain or Hillary 08
    Country over Party

  • NotBrainwashed

    He also voted against funding for our troops. They were under the bus sooner than we knew. Not that he’s ever appreciate others’ sacrifices; it’s all about him. His “typical white grandmother” who put him through school is an example of that.

  • NotBrainwashed

    HATER! Leave the man alone! He just wants to eat his waffles.

    PUMA

  • karen for Clinton

    Oh and ummmm,

    it was an AA Pastor who called her KK, some of us just found it a bit humorous. After all we are the ones who had to deal with Bros before Hoes and Mo wanting to scratch Bill’s eyes out.

    Besides that, I got really sick of obots using the race and the republican card against me a very long time ago.

    Back in January it had already annoyed me to no end and I used to defend myself.

    Then I finally realized the obots are the racists and the dividers. They are the liars and the mean spirited goons. They are the ones who will cause a sure Democratic party defeat due to their cult like support of a very weak, flawed and dangerous candidate.

    Go ahead and keep on attacking us here. Oborg nastiness, lies, see- through feeble psy-ops, etc. spread across the internet have resulted in more people to run from supporting ob than everyone at this site, combined, have done with all our posts.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “He never mentions that the opportunistic moves by the Georgians on the day of the Olympic ceremonies must have been planned in advance”
    Here you lose me a bit, perhaps you were carried away in a nastygram to Johnson.

    You always plan invasions, so what’s the point? If you don’t you might as well stick a gun in your mouth.

    As to the opportunistic move, well Saakashvili is a New York lawyer, and if that doesn’t define opportunism, nothing does.

    Furthermore opportunistic is far from it: It was a really stupid bonehead play to try to pull off a coup de main when your main support against the old Red Army is overextended and it’s leaders off on a junket half a world away. I think we have stumbled across a leader that is more of a fuckwit than Bush, if that be possible.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    That was so cold war.

    The goofy shape of Afghanistan is because of the collision of British and Russian imperial interests. We are still paying for that.

    We have two countries with some interests that do not coincide. We fuck with them, they fuck with us. That’s the way it always has been and that’s the way it always will be.

  • BernieO

    The South Ossetians want independence but clearly prefer to be within the Russian umbrella. From what I read they have nothing of value so why is Georgia so hell bent on including them in their country. This will only weaken Georgia in the end – these situations do not work out well even without powerful nations using them as proxies in their disputes. Just look what happened in Ireland for all those years. If these people who are no threat to anyone want to be on their own, let them.

  • Freedom Fighter

    I thought you guys keep saying Obama is Hitler. So now Putin is Hitler too? How many Hitlers are there in the world?

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    Where did you go to trollschool? The net is already hip-deep with “right wing kooks and imperialists.”

    Impertialists? Jesus, red invective is such a lost art.

    “Running dogs of the US Imperialist warmongers and lickspittle to the capitalist bloodsuckers” is my kind of red rhetoric. I’m almost nostalgic for the nutters.

  • Donna Brazile

    Well, well, well, if it isn’t the racist accusing Freedom Fighter! Do you hate all Georgians FF or just the ones who are at war?

    Stop the hate!

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “Putin’s chess game”

    Get a grip people. Like I said above, we fuck with them, they fuck with us.

    We pulled out of the ABM treaty and are busily surrounding Russia with missile interceptor systems as well as attempting to induct their former republics into our military alliances.

    You’ve got to expect countermeasures. Your opponent doesn’t put a gun in his mouth just because you think you are Dudley Do-Right; he always has a vote in the outcome.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    ummmm is actually a hybrid of David Axelrod and Donna Brazile. A science experiment gone mad.

    Isn’t it interesting how Obama trolls are constantly throwing insults? That’s because they don’t have enough gray matter to conduct dialogues.

    They wouldn’t know a real Democrats if they met one. Obama surely isn’t one.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    ummm,
    Uppity Troll hybrid of Axelrod and Brazille.

  • ObamaHandsKeys2Putin

    ummmm was a science experiment gone bad.

  • JB

    “We somehow need to be a friend to the world rather than inflicting our might right now.”

    The “world” seems to be behind Georgia on this, we’re helping them, the victims of Russian aggression, and if you think that’s “inflicting our might” then it’s not our young who need a better education.

    Really, there’s only so much clueless, sappy one-world pacifism a person can take.

  • baby-puppy

    It is my understanding Russia did not provoke an attack on Georgia, and a small section of the country is still in solidarity with their Mother land. I don’t get how Putin is the bad guy in this instance, simply because Georgia is pro-Western. At one time the American press sang Putin’s praises because Bush saw into his heart. Let’s not be led by the nose. Dig deep, get some facts.

    I’m all for McCain this election cycle because of BO, but unfortunately none of the Presidential candidates (including Hil) seems likely to deviate from Bush’s foreign policy.

    BO’s statement on the crisis was horrible because he used this tragedy to get a dig in on McCain – using his advisor’s lobbying job. That was soooo undiplomatic and crass, especially while people are fighting for their lives on the other side of the world.

    I’m not sure where BO really stands on the conflict because he’s so schizophrenic; but even if he agreed with my position I still wouldn’t vote for him.

  • Karen4Hillary4McCain 08
  • james

    That’s purely hypothetical.

    On the other hand, we know Putin can eat Bush and McCain like cornflakes, because he just had them both for breakfast.

  • Donna Brazile

    Jamesy:

    Why the anger man?

    Stop the hate!

  • Ash

    Why can’t I say that both the Russians and Georgians are to blame for this, and save a couple big slices of blame for George W. Bush, who screwed over the military, American moral authority, and diplomatic whatever, and his li’l buddy John McCain, whose chief international adviser is a lobbyist for Georgia?

    It’s 3am, and somewhere there’s a phone ringing.

    But it doesn’t matter, because George W. Bush and John McCain have screwed the country over so much that whoever answers it has no options.

  • Ash

    John McCain’s statement was written by a lobbyist for Georgia. Probably was written several weeks ago. Russian opinion makers seem to think Dick Cheney was behind the Georgian aggression in South Ossetia, and Karl Rove was “vacationing” in the region last month when he was supposed to be testifying before congress.

    But hey, whatever it takes for your to maintain your blind hatred.

  • ziggy

    OBAMA HAS BEEN A SLACKER, A CHEAT, AND A LIAR WHO HAS LEECHED OFF OF OTHERS’ ACCOMPLISHMENTS HIS ENITRE LIFE AND HAS CALLED THEM HIS OWN.

    Just keep telling yourself that.

    You know, it finally hit me around two hours ago that Barack Obama really might be the next president of the United States. The two things standing in the way of that were misunderstandings about who John McCain really is, and deliberate misinformation about who Barack Obama actually is.

    I believe the Obama campaign is going to correct both of those problems before November rolls around. What happened with Kerry isn’t going to happen with Obama.

    Don’t believe me? Watch what happens.

  • AX10

    This gives credibility towards the right wings attacks on the Democrats/left as being “Anti American”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpcTCH5zWfs

  • AX10

    To all the Obamatrolls here:
    If this is about letting Southern Ossetia being allowed to be sovereign, then why is Russia moving their terrorists…..I mean…troops towards Tiblisi?

  • Alien

    Why -maybe because Tbilsi is just gorgeous. It s sunny -it is Periclean in its democratic deals & because it is yes -a sunny place of fun.

    Yes it is the Pearl of the caucases – Club Caucases in fact. no russian could resist visiting it.

    did I say Sunny -the sun shines every day ,every single day & 362 nights of the year.

  • allimom99

    They don’t have anything of their own, but the pipeline goes that way, so….

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