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The Tea Party Convention has political operatives shaking in their boots.

Astroturf campaigns make money for the consultants and the image managers. Organized political field operations make legends out of the professional organization directors, such Manyon M. Millican who directed the national voter identification and turnout for The Committee to RE-Elect the President (CREEP) for Nixon in 1972.

Until it becomes a formal political party and looses the quaint feel that endears the concept of a “movement” to independent voters, the National Tea Party represents what the political experts hate and fear. Active independents, with a little i.

Professionals like campaigns nicely wrapped with a bow on top. Suppress the opponent’s party. Energize your base. And campaign to the big block in the middle. The middle is easy to work. They are not getting memos from local party leaders and they make their decisions late in the campaign.

That gives the pros time to “educate” the early undecided voter; identify which ones are buying your message; re-educate the rest based on your first field results; identify again and then make sure that, on election day, you quietly turn out your Yes votes.

But what happens if these people start educating themselves before the pros get a chance to influence them? And what happens if locally raised groups are already performing functions once reserved by the parties, such as contacting their neighbors and friends and identifying who among them is animate about and intimate with the idea of the need for change?

Well, the answer should be obvious. The pros go nuts. Their new vacation home is in jeopardy so they will go on television and write junk pieces of op-ed works. They will try to destroy this movement before it gets traction. Citizens organizing independent of a political machine are a threat to the income of the professionals in the business.

Watch the talk shows and read the papers. The pros will find a five second sound byte, out of a ten hour tape of the convention, and beat the “extreme” logo to death and then invite their hosts to tramp on the body they just flopped flat before them in an effort to discredit this movement and to discourage others – people who may not want to be labeled kooks – from acting on their own.

After watching some of the presentations of the Tea Party Convention on C-Span once would easily conclude that these are not tin-foil-hat-wearing nuts. These are people who do not appreciate the power and influence that the national political parties have over our government.

Zogby says:

.. While people who are official members of Tea Party organizations and those who attend Tea Parties are relatively few, those who are generally sympathetic to their cause are many. In fact, taken together, these three groups comprise 47% of likely voters according to our latest survey. Senator Scott Brown’s assertion that he could not win with a mere support of the Tea Party Movement misses this larger point: Tea Party activists can elect few people but Tea Party supporters can elect many more and winning without at least some of the Tea Party sympathetic vote is, at the present moment, a tall order.

According to Zogby there is One common thread.

President Obama’s approval among Tea Party supporters is very close to zero. In a very real sense, this is the most uniting feature of the movement. Yet, in the wake of the Senate election in Massachusetts, many Democrats seem to believe that they can co-opt the movement’s populist rhetoric, by lashing out at Wall Street and talking about jobs, and in that way harness its intensity while changing its target.

The success of this strategy is by no means assured. The populist wave is at odds with Washington on a lot of levels.

Hint to consultants: Careful with that idea of changing the message.

Contrary to the often repeated claim that Tea Partiers lack agreed upon set of views, our data shows that terrorism and perceived unwillingness to talk about it in a straightforward manner might be another issue around which opposition to Washington will rally. Ironically, shifting their attention from health care might make Tea Partiers angrier.

(I)ndependence is being decapitalized, and the pros have no idea what to do about it.

  • ProudMilitaryMom

    I agree- the party operatives on both sides are going crazy. I was looking at news articles this morning – and saw a few articles denigrating the original Tea Party in Boston. One article went so far as to call it a criminal act. (Which technically speaking, it was.)Another claimed the Founding Fathers meant the elitists to be in control. Saw one claiming Americans “have issues” still! regarding King George (and that author was not talking about Bush) Tea Party Derangement Syndrome is spreading fast!
    Point being- the professional politicians are desperately seeking a way to disparage the Tea Party (while not understanding the where it came form or what it realy means) and getting their MSM buddies to float the memes.

  • mountainaires

    Good points, thanks Easton. It is sort of amusing to watch the “pros” and “pundits” try to wrap their pea-brains around the Tea Party movement. They cannot figure out how to attack such an amorphous entity. But, of course, the tried and true tactic is to give them a label that’s derisive. The more derisive they get, however, the more people will feel sympathetic to the Tea Party Movement. Why? Because it’s all about the anti-Washington sentiment spreading through the country. And, since those “pros” and “pundits” ARE Washington, they’re only adding fuel to the fire by dismissing them. 

  • lady dawnelle

    Zogby is right.  The only attendees to the TEA Parties (in DC) were my Republican relatives from Seattle, TX & VA.  I’d love to go to one if there were one closer and I am (as most know) PUMA and could vote for Hillary or Sarah at this moment.  Who knows how I’ll feel about either of them by 2012.  I won’t be voting for ANYONE (most likely) in 2010.  So who ever can get OUT the voters will win.  (imo)  this Indie is still angry at both.

  • Jazzman

    I have one concern and question about this party…. Will everyone be accepted, (as in libertarians)  nominated and supported or only the “Republican Conservative” anointed or chosen few?

    The jury is still out…..

  • lark

    (i) Indians! You confused me Estan and I don’t like to feel confused.

    operatives shaking in their boots: All I see is one operative without boots.

    Active independents: Those look like  Alaskans on a Chinese ship and Mexicans in California protesting the returning of chicken parts.

    a threat to the income of the professionals in the business: (i) Indians doing all the work and old Mexican ladies look happy they no longer have to endure that grotesque type of work.

    You are right Eastan, times have changed. The picture is perplexing.

    (I)ndependence is being decapitalized: In every way possible.

    the pros have no idea what to do about it: I disagree. Obama obviously does. I think Obama will takes us where we don’t know their names.

  • lark

    (i) Indians!
     
    operatives shaking in their boots: All I see is one operative without boots.  
     
    Active independents: Those look like  Alaskans on a Chinese ship and Mexicans in California protesting the returning of chicken parts.  
     
    a threat to the income of the professionals in the business: (i) Indians doing all the work and old Mexican ladies look happy they no longer have to endure that grotesque type of work.  
     
    You are right Eastan, times have changed. The picture is perplexing.  
     
    (I)ndependence is being decapitalized: In every way possible.  
     
    the pros have no idea what to do about it: I disagree. Obama obviously does. I think Obama will takes us where we don’t know their names.

  • Sassy

    While many in the Tea Party do oppose many liberal issues, anyone who thinks they are useful only to swat at BO will be sadly disappointed.
    In our area, the focus was on specifics related to jobs, taxes, spending, and the biggie of national security.
    The silent majority has awakened. They won’t speak as one, but they have come too far to back down.

  • mountainaires

    Don’t delude yourselves. The “movement” may change over the course of time, but it’s only going to grow. The economy will be fundamental to that growth. These people–independents, small (i)–are the ones who are disgusted and alarmed at the economic disaster unfolding in this country. Our economy is nothing but a ponzi scheme, and it’s unraveling just as quickly as Madoff’s unraveled. As more and more people see the truth about what our gov’t has been doing, they’re going to get alarmed and angry, and the TP movement will only grow. The focus will coalesce around the fiscal dangers ahead. 

    Having said that, growth means nothing, unless they have some coherent DIRECTION. Right now, they’re still just “against.” But they have to determine–and they plan to do so–what they are going to use this newfound populist anger TO DO. Because another “Ross Perot” uprising isn’t going to make a dent in our problems at all. 

  • oowawa

    Speaking as a PUMA–it doesn’t matter if we are invited to the party or not.  We will prowl around outside and go where we want.  Have a good time party-goers, and don’t worry about us.  We can take care of ourselves and pledge no allegiance to anybody.  We don’t got to show no stinking badges!

  • WHO DAT?!

    This is totally Off Topic. But, I’m REALLY PISSED OFF. 

    Last night, I watched the GREATEST SUPER BOWL EVAH! 

    :-D  WHO DAT?!

    Where’s the LOVE? No one except Drudge has even mentioned it. 

    Sheesh. Admin, wake up from your hangover and post a love note to America’s Team, The N’AWLINS SAINTS.

    I’m sorry Eastan. It had to be said. 

    Signed, Mountainaires

  • Sassy

    The Tea Party that my husband and I attended was very focused.
    Other than the political speakers, we saw people we have known for years.
    They were a very diverse group, all ages and tax brackets.
    I believe the movement has staying power, and will definitely recall some defective products fron D.C.!

  • Sassy

    Agreed oowawa!
    In that vein, can you recommend any conservative blogs with an easy to use format, and that has anyone over age 25 participating?

  • Yttik

    A huge part of the Tea party energy is about being angry over the classism people are being subjected to.”The bitter small town folk, maybe if I speak slower” attitude coming out of DC.

    So how do people respond to this movement?? By calling them teabaggers, cousin marrying, Wasilly hillbillies. Brilliant just brilliant. I don’t understand how people can be so tone deaf, so arrogant. I read several blogs that just don’t seem to understand that ridiculing and mocking the voters is not how you win elections.

  • churl

    My local Tea People are a collection of antizoning antiabortion antiObama (at least we agree on that) antiGreen antiantianti. In other words, it’s another name for the GOP. I hope the national organization can do better since I generally like Palin (until she start talking about death panels).

  • politicsisdirty

    The politicians label the movement as anti-Obama….one way of diminishing its importance.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Lady d.  I do urge you to vote this year, even if it is just for local officials.

    The pundits seem smart on TV because they get their heads pumped by the “pros” before they go on air.  They get text messages right up to air time with talking points.  It is the “pros” off camera that are going nuts.

    I saw the elements of this movement start to come together five years ago.  I was being congratulated by a reporter for pulling off such a stealth grass roots campaign against a tax bond.  I had to admit to him that I had nothing to do with the movement.  Neighborhoods banded together, under no one person’s direction, and car-pooled to the polls.  Since then I have seen local bond issues sink all over the country.

    The “Secale cereale” type root system of this movement is far deeper and more widespread than any one person can control and therefore, without a known origin, it will be difficult to eradicate.

    Even without a name, the movement is here for a while.

  • AC

     ”don’t seem to understand that ridiculing and mocking the voters is not how you win elections” I also believe this but I think this is how Nixon won in 72–So much for the nouveau intellectuals that anointed Obamnixon.

  • lark

    Eastan, like you I sympathise with the Tea Party movement. But you don’t need to get too enthused. The venue selection for that so called ‘Convention’ was a dissaster. It cut the Tea Party movement momentum by half and it will take a lot of work to rebuild it.

    Palin was awful in that venue and looked awful in her other appearances.
    Palin shines when she is outside under the sun. The Tea Party the same. The exclussion of thousands of Tea Party enthusiast from that convention will get recorded as a desaster.

    If you look at your picture you can see clearly that it refers to an event taking place outside, not inside any building or hotel.

    Maybe the Tea Party can recover from this blunder. Hopefully.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Animal.  Manyon Millican was my friend.  I helped arrange his 1972 Nixon papers for the Auburn University archives.  It was pure organizational brilliance, as described by White in “The Making of a President – 1972.”

  • devildog666

    Total nonsense, there were only 4 anti convention protesters there. There may be a few people that had reservations about the convention because they were afraid someone would actually make a profit, but it will not detract from the movement. Ground up not top down will continue to guide the movement.
     
    Only those that fear the Tea party are dreaming that this was a negative. The news media asked one protester who was black if he was upset with Palin for speaking at the convention, when he replied “no, I love Sarah”, they promptly left him alone in their pursuit of more negative coverage.
     

  • AC

    OK Eastan, if you call The Canuck Letter and criminally breaking into Democratic Headquarters and labeling a World War II Airman a “peacenick” not counting all the other “dirty tricks” (too many to list) as brilliant, then go for it.  Cheating and bamboozling  the American electorate is not brilliant in my book.
    If yoiu took my comment as an attack on your friend–it wasn’t.
    But now that you mention it, if your friend describes the the 72 election as brilliant then what is criminal?

  • AC

    OK Eastan, if you call The Canuck Letter and criminally breaking and entering into Democratic Headquarters, obstruction of justice and labeling a World War II Airman a “peacenick” not counting all the other “dirty tricks” (too many to list) as brilliant, then go for it. Cheating and bamboozling the American electorate is not brilliant in my book. 
    If you took my comment as an attack on your friend–it wasn’t. 
    But now that you mention it, since White describes  the 72 election as brilliant then what is criminal?

  • AC

    OK Eastan, if you call The Canuck Letter and criminally breaking and entering into Democratic Headquarters, obstruction of justice, and labeling a World War II Airman a “peacenick” not counting all the other “dirty tricks” (too many to list) as brilliant, then go for it. Cheating and bamboozling the American electorate is not brilliant in my book.  
    If you took my comment as an attack on your friend–it wasn’t.
    But now that you mention it, since White describes the 72 election as brilliant then what is criminal?

  • lark

    only 4 anti convention protesters there

    Inside the building? What were they served? Or outside the building drinking Coca Cola.

  • getfitnow

    Last summer there were tea parties across CA. Who knew? In fact, there was quite a turn out in SF, but  of course the msm didn’t cover it, including the local meda.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Two separate campaigns.  The ground game was in its own HQ and had nothing to do with the thugs and crooks running the research and image game.  Millican never spoke to those guys, esp erlichman and haldeman after 72.  Even on his death bed he refused calls from anyone associated with that part of the campaign.

  • getfitnow

    Absolutely! Sarah kept emphasizing how important is for individuals to get involved in politics–pay attention to what’s happening.

    It’s up to US!!

  • getfitnow

    Being “against” is a step in the right direction. It wasn’t long ago that many people were afraid to express this kind of dissent for fear of being branded–yes, a racist, among other things. It’s a conservative movement trying to change the direction of the GOP.

    This could be instructive to liberals.

  • arabella trefoil

    Who played in the Superbowl and which team won?

  • PA Caucasian

    congratulations!

    We have sister offices in IN and LA. I told my boss this morning that one of them would be sad, and one happy.

    Any mail that I sent out this a,m. addressed to our LA office, I added
    who dat? to our preprinted return address.

    I always hoped the Saints would win, I picked them as the NFC player in the Super Bowl. However I did buy all the pre-Bowl hype about Peyton being the best QB evah. Looks like the hypers were wrong.

    Who’s happier than the residents of the Big Easy today? Bookies everywhere.

  • WHO DAT?!

    arabella, if you don’t know that, you’d better go pull your blankets back over your head, because you’re gonna have trouble navigating the day. 

  • Anonymous

    move over repub establishment.

    sarah palin, tea party, etc. taking over in KY:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne9Wr2RIy-M

  • Darwin

    Last week, some on here said that cheating was never acceptable. Now we have proof of Sarah Palin cheating at the Tea Party Convention. What do those that said cheating is unacceptable say now? What if Palin cheats during the Republican presidential primary? Or cheating as the Tea Party candidate for President?

  • me

    Brilliant strategy, lade dawnelle. More people voted for Al Gore and John Kerry than voted for Obama. That means a lot of people sat out he election. That is how he got elected. Not voting is not r an option. 

  • arabella trefoil

    The thing is to keep it loose. And not to give up. It’s early days yet to worry about specifics. Now I’ll do my little trade mark rant again.

    They want you to stay home. They want you to be depressed. They want you to give up.

    Fuck that noise. We are off to a good start, between the PUMA’s the Tea Party People, the Fed Up middle class, the retired, the working poor – you name we got it. This here is the REAL mocsaic, or rainbow, or loud plaid pants or whatever you want to call it.

    We stay with it and we have a voice. If I’m dealing with conservatives right now and we don’t see eye to eye on everything, so what? I’ll meet some new people and they’ll meet some new people. All this wedge politics nonsense is designed to make us turn against each other.

    We agree on more things than we disagree about.

    National Security is one big issue besides the economy.

    If we can stick to two simple demands, and keep hammering them home, we will win.

    1. Public Financing for Campaigns
    2. Term Limits

    And just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until we make the elected officials sick. No changing the topic, I wanna know do you support the legislation to make #1 and #2 happen? You don’t? I’m not voting for you. You do. Great. I’m going to keep checking on your progress and so are my friends.

    If you don’t get the job done, we will not vote for you. What did you say? Can’t I just vote Green? Sorry, there’s two parties here and one or the other will get rewarded. Huh? Can’t I just not vote in the election? You didn’t work for Obama by any chance did you?

    Hell yes, I’m voting. And I’ll vote strategically for a Republican any day over a Democrat until you get the message.

    And by the way, no matter how much you think you’re suffering now, that’s nothing to how you’ll continue to feel for the next ten or twenty years.

    Deliver, or you are out on your ass.

    Will this be hard for us to do – getting people motivated to get involved? Yes. Messy? You betcha. Frustrating. Oh yeah. Possible?

    Abso-fucking-lutely!

  • Tricia

    Fantasric post! Thank you!  I wish there was a movement in the center–I would sign right up!

  • bamaLV

    sorry to disagree but the TPN is not all republicans or even independents. many would be surprised if they knew there were just as many (former) democrats (myself included) who are just so disgusted with where the dems have gone under obama.  they have all sold their souls to the devil (literally) hoping the obama glow would wear off on them. unfortunately that ‘glow’ has tarnished considerably and many are running for the hills to save their asses.  sorry but its too little..too late.

  • arabella trefoil

    Well, I spent most of the weekend studying and I got up at 4:00AM to finish my chemistry homework and write a paper for my Micro class. I’ll be in class from 2:00 PM until 9:00.

    So it’s not like I get out much.

    Going back to school at age 57 is not an easy thing to do. Still, I have more energy than a lot of my class mates, and I am old enough to be their mother.

    So New Orleans won? I’m really happy for them.

  • atti

    “could vote for Hillary or Sarah at this moment.”  Another example of rank sexism at NQ.  Crotch before country.  The two are so disparate politically.  The only common denominator is sex.  Not a good way to be thinking about your country.
    Palin 2012

  • arabella trefoil

    Amorphous, decentralized and and bubbling about is best at this point. Just as long as we keep talking to one another, building lists, and keeping strong. And keeping positive, by cracky!

    You see, the really smart analysts understand that what the media perceives has a small bunch of crack pots represents a big danger to the establish.

    Once we establish critical mass, a huge chunk of voters are going to act in ways that the Powers that Be don’t like.

  • Murray

    Sassy – AmericanThinker.com

  • FLDemFem

    Oh that is too funny..
    “Saw one claiming Americans “have issues” still! regarding King George”
    They do know he’s dead, right?? And that the United States survived him??

  • Murray

    Who Dat? - Congratulations on your team’s Super Bowl Win.  I understand that most of Hollywood as well as our President Bambi also picked the Saints.

  • Murray

    Now, if we could just have a hurricane in Indianapolis…

  • Darwin

    In 1995, he founded the Reform Party and won their nomination for the 1996 election. Because of the ballot access laws he had to run as an Independent on many state ballots. He received eight percent of the popular vote in 1996, much less than in the 1992 race but still an unusually successful third-party showing by U.S. standards. One common explanation for the decline was Perot’s exclusion from the presidential debates based on the preferences of the Democratic and Republican party candidates. 

    Who was he? 

  • candymarl

    Darwin, what proof and how did she cheat? There was no voting there and no ballot boxes to stuff.

  • Darwin

    In 1995, he founded the Reform Party and won their nomination for the 1996 election. Because of the ballot access laws he had to run as an Independent on many state ballots. He received eight percent of the popular vote in 1996, much less than in the 1992 race but still an unusually successful third-party showing by U.S. standards. One common explanation for the decline was his exclusion from the presidential debates based on the preferences of the Democratic and Republican party candidates.

    Who was he? 

  • Murray

    Once again, here is a one-question quiz:

    Obama needs a teleprompter for just nearly everything.  Palin delivered a speech using the barest of notes.  Who’s the dummy?

  • rw

    –antizoning antiabortion antiObama (at least we agree on that) antiGreen antiantianti–

    this is my problem with it.

  • Darwin

    And a little more…

    Later in the 1990s, his detractors accused him of not allowing the Reform Party to develop into a genuine national political party, but rather using it as a vehicle to promote himself. They cited as evidence the control of party offices by operatives from his campaigns. He did not give an endorsement during Ventura’s run for governor in the 1998 election.

    In the 2000 election he refused to become openly involved with the internal Reform Party dispute between supporters of Buchanan and of Hagelin. He was reportedly unhappy with what he saw as the disintegration of the party, as well as his own portrayal in the press; thus he chose to remain quiet.

    Eventually, he ended all ties between himself and the Reform Party, which was largely defunct in most states, and has filed a RICO lawsuit against a branch of the Reform Party. Some state parties have affiliated with the new America First Party; others gave Nader their ballot lines.

    Since then, he has been largely silent on political issues, refusing to answer most questions from the press.

  • lark

    RN.

  • lark

    RP?

  • carol haka

    Gosh, you are over looking “they both have great hair”!

    I would vote either one today also.  They are not as far apart as you think and the lsm would have us believe.

  • Darwin

    In 96 Nader was the Green Party candidate. Good guess though. See a little more below.

  • lark

     I wish there was a movement in the center: = SOS HC works as Obamas movement in the center.

    As long as SOS HC remains
    lame lame lame
    Obama will remain.

  • Anonymous

    Jazzman everyone that supports what they are representing is invited.  The primary goal is to hopefully clean out the current corrupt politicians and find those that truly represent their constituents and not try to ram policies that the majority of taxpayers do not want.  There are too many politicians own and influenced by corporation and special interet groups.  Many of us are responsible for researching information about upcoming political candidates to determind whether to put support behind them.  We do not rely on the lying mast media…..you should go to one it is very uplifting.  

  • Prime Obot

    I can assure you that “political operatives” in the Democratic Party are not going crazy about the Tea Partiers — they are virtually all non-Democratic voters anyway, so for the most part they can only hurt the Republicans, either by running 3rd party candidates or by driving the GOP into the looney right. 

    I myself will take the Tea Partiers seriously when they start espousing any sort of grownup policy proposals. To wit: the budget. Screaming that the government spends too much money without actually advocating specific spending cuts leaves your policy acumen somewhere at the level of my 4 year old daughter saying she “just wants more” ice cream. Do Tea Partiers advocate cutting military spending? Cutting Medicare or Social Security spending? Raising taxes? If not (and as far as I know, they advocate none of those things), then stop whining about spending. 

    I did enjoy the video of Sarah Palin checking her palm for notes, complete with crossouts. That woman never disappoints. LOL. I can only pray she makes a strong run for the GOP nomination. 

  • Darwin

    Let’s set aside the word cheat for a moment then. Assuming Sarah Palin is the Tea Party/Republican candidate for President, during a debate with President Obama, she writes notes on her hand and consults them during the debate. Is that acceptable to you?

  • Darwin

    The question isn’t about which is smarter but when is it okay to cheat. If you’d like to discuss intelligence, we’d first have to arrive at a mutually agreed upon definition. Please define smart. 

  • Darwin

    That’s correct. I suppose you were writing fast as it said RN before. Ross Perot tried to do what Sarah Palin will try to do with the Tea Party. Will we see similar outcomes? The poing being that the article writer has failed to address recent history in the context of the article. History tells us that the Republicans and Democrats have little to worry about from the Tea Party/Sarah Palin as demonstrated by Ross Perot’s foray into politics as a true outsider.

  • AC

    As if anybody cares what you can or cannot assure.

  • EllenD

    I’ll bet besides having more energy you have double their determination Arabella. Good for you!

  • EllenD

    Yeah, I agree with you. Getting all the “antis” together invariably includes stuff I believe in.
    And I was with Palin too until the stupid death panel comment.

  • EllenD

    Is that a pheasant or a quail in your pix? Or what?

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent post.

  • EllenD

    I don’t think delivering a speech from points is cheating, no matter where the points are written.
    I think reading someone else’s words verbatim from a teleprompter, where you are completely unfamiliar with the content and demonstrate it by not knowing the pronunciation, is more dishonest.

  • lark

    That’s a great picture of the Long Beach harbor. It’s been raining a lot lately there, but the smog persist.

  • lark

    What an excellent picture of Long Beach harbor. Even with all the storms of the past few days the smog still persist.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Laughable that an Obot is complaining about someone writing their own points, when their Leader reads soneones elses  ALL WRITTEN FOR HIM ON TWO TELEPROMPTERS ROFLMAO

  • ProudMilitaryMom

    I would be willing to bet you not only have more energy and as Ellen D said- double their determination- I bet you also have better grades!

  • lark

    I see a pheasant and a quail, both.

  • Bart

    Ridiculous.  This past year has really shown us that party affiliation is often meaningless when it comes to getting a decent politician.  One must look beyond boilerplate position papers, outright lies and pandering.  Clinton and Palin have both been attacked for reasons way beyond any position.  Both have shown perseverance and both are more capable than MSM has been willing to grant.

    In that sense, Clinton and Palin are similar.  Also similar in the intensity of vitriol they seem to inspire in detractors.  Given that, why not take a look at a woman who has been sooooo reviled by Obamanuts?  It’s not as if Obama has proven to be all that, despite his sterling progressive cred and annointed status.  So maybe she’s not all that is evil either.

  • Bart

    Ridiculous, atti.  This past year has really shown us that party affiliation is often meaningless when it comes to getting a decent politician.  One must look beyond boilerplate position papers, outright lies and pandering.  Clinton and Palin have both been attacked for reasons way beyond any position.  Both have shown perseverance and both are more capable than MSM has been willing to grant. 
     
    In that sense, Clinton and Palin are similar.  Also similar in the intensity of vitriol they seem to inspire in detractors.  Given that, why not take a look at a woman who has been sooooo reviled by Obamanuts?  It’s not as if Obama has proven to be all that, despite his sterling progressive cred and annointed status.  So maybe she’s not all that is evil either.

  • Prime Obot

    That, too, is a response on the level of a 4 year old. Nyah-nyah. Whatever. Like I said: tell me how exactly you believe the government should close the deficit, or stop whining like a child. Sarah Palin has never, and I expect will never, said anything serious on the subject. 

  • lark

    SOS HC must get ready to deliver a scary speech today, no?

  • oowawa

    Since when is it “cheating” to speak from a few notes?  Did Lincoln have any notes for the Gettysburg Address?  Was he cheating?  This is ridiculous.  Now if you are taking a test in a classroom and write answers on your palms–that is cheating. 

  • Bart

    No.  You don’t get to set the terms.  If writing a couple of words on your hand rather than a notecard or printed paper is a problem, what about reading the whole damn thing off TOTUS? 

    BTW, speaking from very brief notes is a time-honored practice taught in schools called extemporaneous speaking.  If you’re goood at it, you are fluent and convincing despite NOT HAVING THE SPEECH WRITTEN OUT.

  • Bart

    No Darwin,

    You don’t get to set the terms.  If writing a couple of words on your hand rather than a notecard or printed paper is a problem, what about reading the whole damn thing off TOTUS?  
     
    BTW, speaking from very brief notes is a time-honored practice taught in schools called extemporaneous speaking.  If you’re goood at it, you are fluent and convincing despite NOT HAVING THE SPEECH WRITTEN OUT.

  • AnnieCarmel

    As a former Dem,  I am in the minority at my Tea Party meetings but have been made very welcome.  I saw a C-Span segment of one Tea Party organizing committee.  The speaker was encouraging grass roots support of new candidates who have never run for office based on their stance on conservative policies rather than party.  I think that’s the gist of the Tea Partiers.  They are sick to death of both D and R, but will use the Repubs structure and money to get their people elected if need be.

    This talk of the Tea Party being co-opted by the Republican party is off base.  It’s the other way around.  If anything, the Tea Partiers intend to take over the GOP and force them back to their fiscal roots.

  • oowawa

    Arabella, this is more than a rant; it is a manifesto.  Well done!

  • tango

    Hmm, well she gave a speech WITHOUT a teleprompter so her bad for writing a few notes on her palm. I guess classy people would write those talking points on note cards or better yet, have the speech in it’s entirety scrolled out on a teleprompter so they could just recite it. Don’t forget, only inspirational and brilliant speakers need teleprompters and then look like they’re watching a tennis match with the constant left and right, back and forth head movements as they read the speech.

    Obama never met a speech he couldn’t give without a teleprompter. When you have to have a pair of them  just to speak to 6th graders, man you’ve got a problem.

  • Darwin

    If what you say is true, then why didn’t Sarah Palin write the notes on a card instead of her hand?

  • Darwin

    Written on your hand? When was the last time you gave a talk/speech and referred to notes on your hand? We all know the histrorical reference for checking notes on your hand – as schoolchildren when they’re cheating.

  • lark

    How do you think Eastan got this picture with Palin asking Obama and the Dems (not shown in the picture – otherwise assume to be to the right) (next time a wide angle lens would be preferable) to stop pushing health care reform and listen to the people.

    I consider interesting that the Tea Party operatives operate inside the ship when the ship is kind of an unstable and shaky place.

    What a funny group of Republicans cheering at Palin from the harbor.

  • Darwin

    What is the historical reference for writing something down on one’s hand to refer to during a question and answer period?

  • PA Caucasian

    No it’s not a 4 year old response. Your assertions are meaningless without verifiable data to support them.

    So I repeat, absent any validation, nobody cares what you can or cannot assure.

  • felizarte

    “they are virtually all non-Democratic voters anyway,”

    Wrong!  Independents, democrats in exile, ex-democrats, republicans and the silent majority.  This is a GROUNDSWELL and like an earthquake should give all professional politicians pause and start thinking about THE PEOPLE and country again.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I had to laugh at one especially vocal guy at our last street demonstration in Monterey.  He was waving a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag and when one car slowed down to see what was going on, he said “Yeah, it’s a demonstration.  This ain’t bloody I-Ran.”  Patriotism is one of the basics, next the economy, terrorism and how it’s being treated, and illegal immigration.  Around here though you can’t get in anyone’s face about illegals.  Too dangerous…and that should speak volumes.

  • Prime Obot

    The difference is, Clinton is brilliant, highly accomplished, deeply knowledgeable and a true progressive. Whereas Palin is a clueless right-wing evangelical clown who can barely speak a coherent sentence without consulting crib notes scrawled on her hand like some kind of grade schooler. Clinton is fully capable of being president. Palin is an idiot and a national laughingstock.

    But sure, PUMAs, go ahead and vote for her, if you ever get the chance. That is the level of political acumen I’ve come to expect from this site. 

  • Darwin

    In 2000 revised debate access rules made it even harder for third party candidates to gain access by stipulating that, besides being on enough state ballots to win an Electoral College majority, debate participants must clear 15% in pre-debate opinion polls. This rule remained in place for 2004, when as many as 62 million people watched the debates, and is still in effect for 2008.

  • oowawa

    Gee whiz–this is a hard question, and of great importance.  Maybe they were “handier” on her hand.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Cheating?  Surely you jest.  Forheavensake, SHE wrote the notes to herself, for herself you dolt.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Tricia, if you participate, it will be more toward the center.  Fortunately, they want people to speak up and give their POV.

  • jbjd

    atti, this comment exemplifies why, when it comes to the ‘tea party’ state of mind, so many people just don’t get it.  SP loves this country and wants to do what’s best for her and her people; and HRC loves this country and wants to do what’s best for her people.  Apples and apples.

  • lark

    But the general feeling as far as I am concerned says that Perot’s enterprises depend on government contracts. On can only imagine the internal conflicts within himself and inside his company about all of these issues, no? If Perot would stand as an independent from the government person then one could speculate and even get to the bottom of all of that. No?

  • getfitnow

    Oh, I agree, bamaLV. I’m an independent in CA. I haven’t attended TP’s but I’ve thrown a little $$ their way. I just meant that the principles are more conservative in nature than liberal.

  • lark

    Darwin. Do you not see in the picture that all of those other parties find themselves standing inside the ship? Please look at the picture.

    Do you not see that those in the harbor do not allow them to disembark? And those that you see in the harbor stand as Republicans. The Democrats you can find only to the right where you can’t see them.

    The idea is that those in the ship will remain in the ship in a very provisional status and in a very unstable surface.

    To change the picture you have to paint a whole new picture. Okay?

  • getfitnow

    Late Breaking News!

    Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha dies at 77
    ·

  • lark

    Darwin. Do you not see in the picture that Eastan took that all of those other potential third parties find themselves standing inside the ship? Please look at the picture. 
     
    Do you not see that those in the harbor do not allow them to disembark? And those that you see in the harbor stand as Republicans. The Democrats you can find only to the right where you can’t see them. 
     
    The idea is that those in the ship will remain in the ship in a very provisional status and in a very unstable surface. 
     
    To change the picture you have to paint a whole new picture. Okay?

  • jbjd

    The Commission on Presidential Debates is a .org, founded by both the R and D parties.  People could watch candidates for office in another forum, if such forum existed.
    http://www.debates.org/

  • lark

    meaningless without verifiable data to support them


    validation

  • Darwin

    I understand perfectly. I’m asking do the posters here understand the history of third party candidates in America? That is, how difficult it is to sustain and how short-lived they are under the current electoral college system? To sum up: unless the winner-take-all electoral system is changed and America is moved to a parliamentary system, no third party has or ever will have a chance to win the presidency. All they can do is draw attention to minor issues. 

  • lark

    Exactly. The pictures become fixtures. Why?

    None of us want to answer why the pictures become fixtures.

    Many here are invested in fixtures and in throwing anything that moves away.

    Not you jbjd not you. But if people would not be so much invested in fixtures, your propositions would create a lot more artists and a lot more pictures.

  • stodghie

    atti, you are missing the boat. they both (hillary at one time) opposed obama and actually cared about the welfare of the american people.

  • stodghie

    “idiot and national laughing stock” describes your idol obummer.

  • AC

    I don’t give a **** what you’re asking, it’s not your site.

  • lark

    True. But you have and we also have to understand why Eastan inserted that picture. Why? The picture is a relic and we keep trying to work around a relic. I am trying to see if that was a picture of Long Beach harbor, how different it would be, no?

    We have a country that seems torn between a past that confine us and will eventually destroy us and a present that changes as much as Obama comes out daily with a new and different proposition.

  • stodghie

    nothing wrong with being against in that there is such a long laundry list. it gives us direction in letting the meatheads in washington know we are coming for their seats if they don’t shape up.

  • stodghie

    lark, lay out hillary. why don’t you write something about that woman michelle instead of gigglying with glee agreeing with her.

  • Darwin

    Let’s revisit Ross Perot with that in mind. Why didn’t Ross Perot fund another forum for himself and other Reform Party candidates to have debates? Would the Republicans and Democrats have agreed to join those debates?

  • Darwin

    Then I take it that you in fact do not understand the history of third party candidates in America.

  • Darwin

    You’re correct. Perhaps you are a visual person, yes? I was focusing purely on the context of Eastan’s argument.  

  • lark

    I don’t even know why university students here are so apathetic. Must be because college is do darn expensive.

    I don’t understand anything in front of me.

  • Darwin

    Please describe the last time during a Q&A or speech that you wrote notes to yourself on your hand?

  • lark

    I don’t understand anything.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Since there is not a current open thread here right now I will ask that everyone please show respect to the John Murtha family and feel free to comment on his history of service and (yes – even) what will happen in his district.

  • Prime Obot

    What facts exactly do you feel require validation? That military, Social Security, Medicare and debt-maintenance spending comprise the vast bulk of the federal budget? Or that Palin the Half-Term Governor has never made any significant statement about how she would go about closing the budget gap? 

  • Prime Obot

    I see, so in your universe, Sarah Palin is a better extemporaneous speaker than Barack Obama? lol. Whatever. No need to discuss further.  

  • Prime Obot

    Blah blah blah. The numbers say otherwise. The Tea Party is a joke on the Republican Party. For decades the GOP has been spewing its hideous, hate-filled nonsense invective about the evils of government, brown immigrants, IRS agents, weak-kneed America-hating Democrats, all the same crap. Now, we’re actually suffering a massive crisis, and Fox News and talk radio have created a megaphone to blast this ugly rhetoric much farther than ever, and it turns out that the lowest-information voters out there (like NQ) actually believe this crap. Laugh out Loud. Yes, yes, PUMA kiddies, Sarah Palin a brilliant, dedicated public servant (not a shark out for money, period) and Barack Obama is a foreign-born, unqualified, America-hating socialist who just wants to transfer good Americans’ wealth into brown people’s pockets (never mind that as president he has done just the opposite). Oh, and Obama is dumb and can’t speak extemporaneously (never mind the performance he gave, without notes, in front of the GOP Congressional Caucus just last week), whereas Sarah Palin actually gave the Tea Party keynote without notes! (never mind the stilted nature of her delivery as she strained to read her teleprompted speech and understand the sentences in time to deliver them).

    I don’t know what else to say. You people will believe whatever you want to believe. And us grownups will clean up after the candidates who get rich bamboozling you.   

  • AC

    You keep making these promises “No need to discuss further.”, but you never leave.

  • AC

    Darwin, I have a pet rock that makes more sense.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Poor Prime Asshat…his messiah Obamacus is .9% from being underwater in the RCP polling average. Apparently the Chosen One’s approval numbers have been in free fall since the BEST.SOTU.EVAH! LOL.

  • lark

    True. But HC has shown numerous times that falls for dependency while SP keeps showing that she rejects the dependency role. No?

  • lark

    I am not a writer. I am a participant.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    +1 for the GOP in the House I’d say…

  • Darwin

    You understand but perhaps let your emotions get the better of you. Everyone is extremely passionate on both sides because there is so much at stake in America and around the world. However, facts are still facts and need to be taken into account when we debate these issues.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes AC, that mega Pumpkin patch he spoke so eloquently about being the biggest and best, must of swollwed him up and spit him out yet again!

    http://www.eastofthesun.com/pi8/images/pumpkin1b.jpg

  • Darwin

    Rest in peace, Rep. Murtha. Being a conservative district this is actually a good chance for a pickup by the Tea Party and/or Republicans. Having said that, I still warrant that by 2014, the Tea Party movement will have gone the way of the Reform Party.

  • Prime Obot

    I haven’t been very happy with Obama in recent months. I think, frankly, that he did a lousy job dealing with the health care controversy last year; I strongly suspect that he’s too much under the influence of Rahm Emanuel and other conservative Democrats who preach accommodation of idiot Republicans and appeasement of corporate lobbyists. Personally, I’d be thrilled to see Emanuel booted out of the White House. And I think Obama’s moves in recent days, when he has finally really started standing toe to toe with his adversaries in the GOP, have been his best moments for months.

    None of that, however, has anything to do with the clownishness of Sarah Palin and her Tea Party fellow travelers. Read this:

    http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/08/palin-and-perry-hold-anti-government-rally-in-73m-taxpayer-funded-complex/

    You want to follow these numbnuts? Be my guest. Like I said, the grownups will clean up after your party when you’re done.  

  • I’m a Linda too

    Wow, Sarah already has up concolences on her fb page to the Murtha family.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Not a problem. The bottom line is that those with the harshest opinions of Palin are the same ones knee deep in Obama Kool Aid. As Obama continues to crumble his pyschophants will loose crediblity and be reduced to MSLSD status only, thus further exposing their Palin derangement syndrome. And as Obama looses or nearly loses congress in November the Palin haters will look even more ridiculous.

    So, bring it on I say.

  • lark

    Thank you D. Passion = impetus.

  • AC

    Nice pic ~~JustMe~~

  • PortiaElizabeth

    “Drill, Baby, drill.” Ever heard that?

  • lark

    I haven’t been very happy with Obama in recent months.

    Be patient, he’ll make you happy again soon. He is in the fight to win. Except he has to fight twice as hard as any fighter since he is a habitual compulsive liar.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Hey, Prime Obot — are you sorry yet that you didn’t vote for HIllary? 

  • Daisy Mae

    Yay, Arabella.  These few fringe people (!), according to the FMSM last summer, now seem to be morphing before the FMSM’s biased eyes, causing them and Dims great annoyance and speculation.  I’ve had a big smile on my face watching the anklebiter peasants be revolting (to paraphrase Krauthammer).  

    Local Tea Party people in my state are well organized and thinking strategically.

  • TeakWoodKite

    PO, apparently you think very little of your 4 year olds intelligence. Sad that.

  • Patience

    I’m not a huge Palin fan, although I absolutely loved her Republican National Convention speech and appreciate her advocacy for the disabled.  It also gives me great pleasure to witness the derangement she causes in her detractors.

    Quitting the governorship of Alaska instead of toughing it out is what caused my interest in her to wane.  From what I understand her record there was pretty good and unlike what those in fear of her say, she didn’t govern as a theocrat or partisan.  As it is though, she’s doing quite well as a firebrand so what do I know?

    To those who stopped liking her because of the Death Panel remark, IMO it was actually an accurate, if coarse, characterization.  Do you know that in the recent health care legislation, there was a provision stipulating that only a super-majority could ever overturn the existence of the Medicare Advisory Board (AKA Death Panel, rationer, etc.) it would’ve created?

    Anyway, thanks for this article Eastan and God bless the Tea Party.

  • TeakWoodKite

    feel???????????????????????????

    Facts and feeling will never share the same space in the Cosmos.

    This is exactly what Easton McNeal speaks to. Informed or “feeeeeliiing”.

  • Ladydawnelle

    I agree with the ADD  “no allegiance to anyONE”  but I do pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America…… etc, etc!  ;-)

    also RIP John Murtha (you were a hero of mine once and I honor your service to country) Rest now.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I haven’t been very happy with Obama in recent months…

    What just 5 out of 13 months?

    Rahm Emanuel is conservative? That’s funny.

  • AC

    Did White describe the 72 Election differently when he wrote:
    “Breach of Faith : The Fall of Richard Nixon (1975)”

  • TeakWoodKite

    Way to go!!

  • Anonymous

    “could vote for Hillary or Sarah at this moment.”  Another example of rank sexism at NQ.  Crotch before country.  The two are so disparate politically.  The only common denominator is sex.  Not a good way to be thinking about your country. 
    Palin 2012″

    Hmm… Let me translate this for you.  “Could vote for Hillary or Sarah” = “Could vote for the most qualified person by far (Hillary) or the most honest person by far (Sarah)”.  Add to that the fact that both of these ladies put constituents over party, something our president – AND the Dem party – are not in the habit of doing. 

    Another thing – I DO NOT vote for people if I have the feeling that they are lying to my face and laughing at me behind my back.  It just so happens that the two ladies (and the Rep gentleman) were the only ones I could cast my vote for in November of 08.

  • FranSC

    P0 – I still don’t think you and your buddies understand the difference in Democrats and Republicans.  As far as where any of us stands on budget cutting, I hope you know many conservatives (I’m not one) are still mad that social security and medicare exist!  They would have no problem taking it away…period!  In their case, it would not be “cut”.  It would be “axed”.   You seem to think everybody wants it, but it is just a matter of how much. 

    Since you have given us the assignment of coming up with our own national budget, then it only seems fair that you make sure you understand and can explain the reasons behind this admin’s  budget of trilllllions and why you are so supportive. 

    BTW, after his first year as POTUS, Sarah Palin STILL has more experience than B0.  Everything he touched in 2009 was all ready and waiting for him per Nancy Pelosi and Rahm Emanuel.

    Boiled down to its lowest terms, this is about nothing more than your deaf, dumb, and blind support of this de facto POTUS. 

  • FranSC

    That would be correct!  Without help of some kind he cannot string a sentence together extemporaneously without messing up. 

    I believe the dems are now very worried and were not nearly so critical of SP after this past weekend of speaking.  Do you suppose that is why her speech was carried  live Sat. evening by CNN, MSNBC0, Fox, C-Span – run by people who, like you, have been lol for months.  That is, until the miracle of January 19, 2010 – the night Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) was elected to fill the seat of Mr. Democrat himself.  Better watch it, bot.  Karma’s a bitch!

  • Prime Obot

    We will. You’re all making the mistake of extrapolating from recent events to the distant horizon and assuming that trendlines will not change. They will. They always do. Good politicians (like Obama) recover. The economy is recovering. And the Republicans are apparently going to run on privatizing Social Security and Medicare. (Either that or they’re going to run on nothing whatsoever). Someone up there mentioned that there are indeed conservatives who want to end those entitlements. I’m aware of that. They do not comprise anywhere near 50% of the population. I am really, *really* looking forward to seeing how the Republicans handle this issue, since they are now pretending to have actual alternatives to the proposed budget. 

    Or maybe someone here would like to tell me what you all think we should do, since clearly Obama’s budget is not approved of here? Presumably you all think we should renew Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations? And presumably you think the U.S. should plan on continuing to pay interest on our debt? And presumably you all hate Obama’s health care plans, which means you probably have no clue whatsoever how to make significant cuts in health care spending. That means you either want to drastically reduce military spending (not likely), drastically reduce Social Security benefits (not likely) or just want to scream about listening to the people and patriotism and not spending beyond our means without actually having any kind of intelligent proposals to offer (very likely).  

  • FranSC

    Well, bot, that proves you don’t know what you are talking about!  Rahm Emanuel is anything but a conservative dem.  He is one of the prime people Glen Beck is talking about – he believes deeply in a socialistic- type government. 

    Just google and ‘amazon’ Rahm - the two books he has written will quickly show you where his beliefs are – and that would not be a blue-dog dem.  On top of that he has been part of the Chicago political mafia for some time. 

    The only reason Rahm is against a NY trial for some of the 911 terrorists is purely political and has nothing to do with his belief system.  He does at least have sense enough to know 0bama has been badly damaged by this stupid unilateral decision he and Eric Holder made apparently on a double-date night. 

    Who knows, Rahm may be one of your heros after all.    

  • FranSC

    That’s right, me.  Republicans and angry Hillary voters who stayed home in Nov 2008 were votes “for” B0 – the very person they wanted the least.  

    That’s what will happen in 2012 if there is yet another spoiler 3rd party candidate.  Votes for a 3rd party candidate will re-elect B0.

    Please understand that now before you help nominate such a person.

  • Sandy

    Or using Duvall Patricks speeches.

  • arabella trefoil

    Just got back from a long day at school. I see some increased bot activity today. What happy news!

    Now that they’ve written their scripts on their butts with a felt tipped pen, we’ll see more of them.

    Bad news for your guy, obots. I gather some of the main stream media is already calling Obama’s televised hearings of the health care debate a sham and a stunt.

    This is all upside for the loyal opposition, whether you call us PUMAs, or tea party people, or just plain ignorant average joes. I plan to write to my congress critters, call them and nag the shit out of them. We all should.

    Again, the key is keep it simple:

    Dear so and so,

    We don’t want Obama’s health care plan. Get rid of it. I will not vote for you if you don’t kill the bill.

    PS. I’m watching you every day. Get busy.

    If we can get enough people to bombard Congress with simple messages saying “No. We don’t want it. What are you doing to stop it? Do something NOW.” We’ll start seeing some real fear and trembling.

    Simple message. Demand a result. Keep calling and writing every day if you have to.

    Ha ha! The Obama show trial will back fire. I know what he thinks he’s doing and it ain’t gonna work.

    More later. Husband made me some dinner and I gotta refuel. And do homework.

    Long live the resisitance!

  • Divide and Conquer

    Awesome post!  The United States has operated by two parties for over 150 years: over half of our nation’s existence!  And ever since, campaigns have been based on ruthless, cut-throat offensives.  If the majority of voters were to abandon their allegiance to political parties, maybe we would begin to see a true representation of the people’s interests.

    It’s easy to win a war when your enemies are already fighting.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Hey.  AC.  Sorry I was touchy earlier.  My friend died ten years ago and I have been thinking of him lately.  Manyon intentionally disappeared not long after Watergate broke.  The FBI visited him to tell him that he was not a suspect but “asked” him to stay in touch in case they had questions.  Because of that, and because Manyon’s distain for this DC friends’ actions was so well known in inner circles, many believed he was deep throat. That was so irritating to him that he asked David M. Brown (who contributed to our first CSI – ACORN report) to help him write an insider book to be titled “I am not deep throat.”  Manyon moved on after his long-time friend Dr. Tom Brigham called him and offered him an escape – Marketing Director of a Ski Resort.  He returned to politics briefly to help in some governor’s races.  He helped Haley Barbour in MS in the early 80s and in 86-87 he helped Don Rumsfeld with his presidential exploratory expedition.
    Manyon was proud of his work in 1972.  He had the name, address and phone number of every person identified in the U.S. that would vote for Nixon and had a plan to turn them out.  He did it and only lost one state.  Watergate was an immature, unnecessary adventure carried out by fools drunk on power and the privileges it brings.  Manyon once told me that when he found out about the break-in and all the other activities (from the FBI) that he was insulted to learn that obviously nobody in the Whitehouse believed in his grass-roots organization reports. 
    Manyon’s only known contemporary equal at his height was Matt Reese, a democrat who practiced the same combination of scientific polling techniques with issue oriented direction of grass-roots management.  They each had, by their end of their respective carriers, over 450 campaigns under their belts and, at one time, could list each list most of the most powerful congressmen and senators as people who call them on a regular basis.
    People like them were above the fold in any front page of insiders’ headlines, while rarely making a mention on section B-17 of the local newspapers because they knew that being egoless was part of their success.
    They are not going to be in books about controversies or subjects of E! type flash press or documentaries.  But people like Matt and Manyon helped build the campaign system we have today.
    Just like Manyon wanted to write his “I am not deep throat” book I have considered writing one called “I’m Sorry” because I did participate in institutionalizing professional organization to the point that I am thrilled to see grass roots originating, once again, from the people – not us pros.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Hey.  AC.  Sorry I was touchy earlier.  My friend died ten years ago and I have been thinking of him lately.  Manyon intentionally disappeared not long after Watergate broke.  The FBI visited him to tell him that he was not a suspect but “asked” him to stay in touch in case they had questions.  Because of that, and because Manyon’s distain for this DC friends’ actions was so well known in inner circles, many believed he was deep throat. That was so irritating to him that he asked David M. Brown (who contributed to our first CSI – ACORN report) to help him write an insider book to be titled “I am not deep throat.”  Manyon moved on after his long-time friend Dr. Tom Brigham called him and offered him an escape – Marketing Director of a Ski Resort.  He returned to politics briefly to help in some governor’s races.  He helped Haley Barbour in MS in the early 80s and in 86-87 he helped Don Rumsfeld with his presidential exploratory expedition.

    Manyon was proud of his work in 1972.  He had the name, address and phone number of every person identified in the U.S. that would vote for Nixon and had a plan to turn them out.  He did it and only lost one state.  Watergate was an immature, unnecessary adventure carried out by fools drunk on power and the privileges it brings.  Manyon once told me that when he found out about the break-in and all the other activities (from the FBI) that he was insulted to learn that obviously nobody in the Whitehouse believed in his grass-roots organization reports. 

    Manyon’s only known contemporary equal at his height was Matt Reese, a democrat who practiced the same combination of scientific polling techniques with issue oriented direction of grass-roots management.  They each had, by their end of their respective carriers, over 450 campaigns under their belts and, at one time, could list each list most of the most powerful congressmen and senators as people who call them on a regular basis.

    People like them were above the fold in any front page of insiders’ headlines, while rarely making a mention on section B-17 of the local newspapers because they knew that being egoless was part of their success.

    They are not going to be in books about controversies or subjects of E! type flash press or documentaries.  But people like Matt and Manyon helped build the campaign system we have today.

    Just like Manyon wanted to write his “I am not deep throat” book I have considered writing one called “I’m Sorry” because I did participate in institutionalizing professional organization to the point that I am thrilled to see grass roots originating, once again, from the people – not us pros.

  • Eastan McNeal

    Good evening Divide.

    The power of the parties may not be overturned anytime soon.  But letting them know that the people will refresh the well with the blood of their party is good.  The left taking over the D party and the Right taking the R party has created a new movement right of center that scares the Rs just as much as the PUMAs will eventually convince the
    Ds that they did not like their new extreme.

    There is a people power growing in this nation.  It started years ago and has been growing.  It was not until someone in a crowd said Obama Palin (the two rock stars of the political moment) that the press started paying attention. 

    You have been paying attention.  Think about your most recent local elections.  Did you not see surprises and sense something was brewing when reading local letters to the editors?  I think you nailed it.  The parties are fighting their own detractors and the people will have a brief window to exploit that with their votes this Novemer.

  • Jazzman

    Well its lke this…..

    We heard al of this before with the Reform Pary and we all know where that ended….  Yea I am tried of a two party system and we badly need a third party. But lets see how the leadership leads this party……..

  • TeakWoodKite

    And writing on one’s hand is cheating? 

    Lets see I guess that is better than having “boneheaded” tattooed on your forehead.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Easton. Thank you. For months I have been looking at how this organic political energy will manifest. It is very telling that 47% number. I see both parties trying to use “The Tea Party” for their own.

    I think that come November we shall see the independent vote surface again.
    I also think that the genesis of the “tea Party” movement makes it immune to infiltration at the grassroots level. The co-opting can only be done at the MSM level.

  • Nellie

    Obot,

    When the President of the United States gives a State of the Union speech spoken and written at an 8th grade 8th month level, you lose all rights to any claim of adulthood, In watching the WH clown show, I seriously doubt if ANYONE on that staff would test above 19 years old emotionally.

    You want to talk about budgets – save your lies for those who read at the 8th grade level. How about a party every 3rd  night at the WH, 2.5 milllion dollars of our money wasted on a crapppy ad at the super bowl for one of your Chciago Crimal Ad agencies owned by one of your crooked “friends”. Any 7th grader could have written and performed better on You Tube. Then there is the sserious abuse of taxpyer money for over 300 useless Czars with at least a Billion a year wasted on these persons who would test no where near normal.

    Why don’t you PROVE you are anywhere near an adult by looking in Blacks Law Dictionary to find the word embezzlement! I truly look forward to subpoenas, and special prosecutors, so that the lot of you can be jailed on embezzlement of taxpayer dollars, fraudulent Social Security Numbers and a host of other crimes. I am not a lawyer, just a lowly PhD, and frankly your sarcastic tone and attitude are enraging.

    One more thing! I notcied that you latched onto the fact that someone above mentioned they feel Sarah Palin is a better Public Sepaker than Bambi. If you have even a microcosim of decency we defintely do not want more meaningless drival from Obama. Perhaps he can stop wasting $130,000 per hour of our taxpayer money flying from camera venue to camera venue and actually stay in the WH and do some real work. Just like his former Senate Seat, the Chair in the Oval Office is barley used and collecting dust.

  • Nellie

    Weel Obot,

    You have your Thesaurus out. Bravo! A word like accuemen. Are you trying to impress with a veneer of facility in use of the English Language??

  • Anonymous

    the tea baggers are all BS. it was completely funded by corporate interested, largely opposing healthcare reform, and promoted by FOX. It is complete BS.

    All supporters are just suckers. It pushes an extreme right-wing racist corporate agenda. It funny as bagger supports claim that they represent the will of the people, but complete BS.

    Obama has much more often than not been on the side of public opinion. Obama represents what the majority of the population wants.

    “One of the more commonplace assertions among pundits on the center-right — made rather carelessly by Victor Davis Hanson and more thoughtfully by Jay Cost, is that agenda put forward by Obama and the Democrats is overwhelmingly unpopular and that Democrats are simply getting their comeuppance for having pushed such a liberal set of reforms forward. These claims, however, rely on selective evidence, invariably citing policies like health care and the GM bailouts which are indeed unpopular (strongly so, in some cases), while ignoring many other issues on which Obama has been on the right side of public opinion.

    In fact, a more objective and equivocal evaluation of public opinion on more than two dozen specific issues finds that the Republican Congress has far more often been on the wrong side of it. Attempting to be as comprehensive as possible, I’ve identified 25 issues that Obama and the Democrats have made an affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago, and summarized public opinion on each of them. Most of the numbers that I’ve cited come from PollingReport.com.”

    See:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/republicans-not-obama-more-often-on.html

  • Anonymous

    the tea baggers are all BS. it was completely funded by corporate interests, largely opposing healthcare reform, and promoted by FOX. It is complete BS.  
     
    All supporters are just suckers. It pushes an extreme right-wing racist corporate agenda. It is funny as bagger supports claim that they represent the will of the people, but complete BS.  
     
    Obama has much more often than not been on the side of public opinion. Obama represents what the majority of the population wants.  
     
    “One of the more commonplace assertions among pundits on the center-right — made rather carelessly by Victor Davis Hanson and more thoughtfully by Jay Cost, is that agenda put forward by Obama and the Democrats is overwhelmingly unpopular and that Democrats are simply getting their comeuppance for having pushed such a liberal set of reforms forward. These claims, however, rely on selective evidence, invariably citing policies like health care and the GM bailouts which are indeed unpopular (strongly so, in some cases), while ignoring many other issues on which Obama has been on the right side of public opinion.  
     
    In fact, a more objective and equivocal evaluation of public opinion on more than two dozen specific issues finds that the Republican Congress has far more often been on the wrong side of it. Attempting to be as comprehensive as possible, I’ve identified 25 issues that Obama and the Democrats have made an affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago, and summarized public opinion on each of them. Most of the numbers that I’ve cited come from PollingReport.com.”  
     
     
    See:  
     
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/republicans-not-obama-more-often-on.html

  • TeakWoodKite

    That is what is commonly called technical writing… you have to do something in the pumkin patch. Obot wears Burkinstocks and doesn’t shave.