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American Idol

There’s a special genre of publication that caters exclusively to excitable, starstruck young women. “Tiger Beat”, “Bop” and “16″ are fluffy magazines tailored to satisfy the swoony dreams of adolescents as they fantasize about the teen idol de jour.

The packaging of a fantasy is an art in and of itself cleverly crafted by publicists, ambitious stage parents and cynical editors. The formula is fairly simple. The performer must always be portrayed as single and wholesome. Marriage, homosexuality, bizarre personality quirks, poor grooming, violent tendencies, psychological issues, consumption of alcohol and/or drugs and smoking must be concealed at all costs lest the fantasy, and possibly a career, go up in smoke. Chastity rings a la Jonas Brothers are a big plus. The star has to be accessible but always slightly out of reach, cute but never sexual, perfectly behaved….and rather bland. Attracting and keeping the attention of young female fans, who tend to be fickle when it comes to the cuties they admire, is easier said than done.

But it’s impossible to put off the inevitable. The girls realize they’re at a puppet show when they see the strings. The star turns out to be a regular guy. After shedding a few tears and pouting a bit, the heartbroken and disappointed girls move on to the next object of their undying love.

During Campaign 2008, the American press corps hit a double by acting as both the editors of fluffy teenage magazines AND their audience: Weepy, starstruck young girls. The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration. The Yoko Ono of politics, if you will. The McCain camp spoofed this silly dynamic by putting out an ad drawing attention to the American Idol-like press coverage of the Obama campaign (the ad was removed from YouTube for copyright violations). And imagine how the press corps would have reacted if Bill Clinton had given his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention standing in front of a set bearing a distinct likeness to a Grecian temple.

Over a year has passed since Obama was sworn into office. Only now are the media beginning to ask whether the man they lost their heads over is the same guy from 2008. The jury’s still out with many in the press corps who continue to keep hope alive. For those who refuse to face the reality that Barack Obama is not the political Donny Osmond, the latest craze is blaming advisors for the Obama administration’s lack of legislative accomplishments. Never mind that Rahm Emanuel was not elected President and that it really doesn’t matter whether Valerie Jarrett chooses to hold court at a restaurant in Georgetown instead of pressing the flesh at an event (and you know things are getting dire when anyone in Obama’s circle is compared unfavorably to Bill Clinton, a man still reviled by the Washington press establishment). These people were appointed by the President to carry out his wishes. If Obama thought they were doing him a disservice they would be fired. The new narrative casting aspersions on the aides is a cop out. It advances the idea that these advisors fell out of the sky, formed a cabal and are now freelancing instead of following the orders of the First Boss. Nonsense.

Obama spent his first year holding a series of town halls, public meetings, press conferences and television interviews. But the bottom line is that legislatively the party has ground to a halt. The foolish narratives advanced by the media aren’t helping much. So the Republicans won an addition seat in Massachusetts? Yes, it’s a significant and important political story, but in a world populated by grown-ups going from a 60-40 supermajority in the Senate to 59-41 does not give the Democrats an out to fold their tents and go home. The Republicans haven’t achieved a supermajority in living memory but were still able to advance a controversial agenda during the tenure of George W. Bush. The fear and defeatism emanating from the Democratic caucus demonstrates an inability, or unwillingness, to lead. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s performance has been particularly timid. What ever happened to the Harry Reid who served as chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission:

A man named Jack Gordon, who later married LaToya Jackson, tried to give Reid a $12,000 bribe. Reid let the FBI videotape Gordon offering him the bribe, and then, according to aLas Vegas Review-Journal account, he “put his hands around Gordon’s neck and said, ‘You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me.’” That’s right, Senate Democrats are being led by a man who once tried to strangle LaToya Jackson’s future husband-manager.

The media have reached a crossroads. They can either do a group hug and cry over a dream deferred, an illusion they helped create, or they can stop searching for scapegoats and covering Obama as they would any other politician.

Will this happen? It’s hard to tell. It appears that the press have moved on to swoon over their next fascination: American Idol, er, Campaign 2012.


Cross Post from: ThePakistanUpdate.com

  • Craig Della Penna

    Absolutely spot on.

  • Yttik

    Great post!

    Unfortunately I think our American Idol winner is about to meet Simon, the judge, What the media builds up, they eventually rip to shreds. Heaven help us all when Chris Matthews realizes he’s not even going to get a phone call. It’s going to be like a remake of Fatal Attraction.

    I had to laugh, Obama girl who led the country forwards with a teen age crush, feels like the magic is fading. She annoyed the heck out of me, but I did get a laugh out of her muttering, “well at least I wasn’t the Edward’s girl.” Ha! That’s the spirit. Things could always be worse.

  • Darwin

    Sarah Palin – Favorable Net 37%, Unfavorable Net 55%, No opinion 8%
    Impresssion of Tea Party Movement – Fav 35%, Unfav 40%, No opinion 25%
    Palin qualified to be President – Qualified 26%, Not qualified 71%, No opinion 4%
    Should lawmakers give up on HCR – Give up 35%, Keep trying 63%
    Has economy begun to recover – Has 45%, Hasn’t 53%
    Republican leaders compromising – Too little 44%, About right 45%
    How often should Republicans block Obama/Dems – Often 25%, Not often 68%

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_021010.html?sid=ST2010021100035

  • Darwin

    There are also plenty of online polls about DeGeneres’ first week on Idol.  One poll, conducted by USA Today, garnered more than 5,000 votes.  Of those, 41% called DeGeneres “fantastic.”  Another 15% called her “a disappointment.”  The rest fell somewhere in between.
    And then there are the ratings.  DeGeneres’ debut as a “American Idol” judge drew the series’ biggest audience since its season premiere.  With 27.7 million viewers – viewership was up 10% from the previous week.
    In other DeGeneres news, its been reported that her daytime talk show has been renewed and will air for at least 3 more years on NBC stations.
    Now it’s time for YOU to share your thoughts.  Are you watching American Idol this season?  What do you think of the current judging panel?  Is Ellen DeGeneres a strong addition to the show? 

  • Darwin

    FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 2-3, 2010. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

    .
    “I’m going to read you the names of several individuals and groups. Please tell me whether you have a generally favorable or unfavorable opinion of each one. If you’ve never heard of an individual or institution, please just say so. Barack Obama.”
    .
    Favorable
    Unfavorable
    Unsure
    %%%

    2/2-3/10
    51435

  • dead lark

    That was easy – staples.

  • Darwin

    FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll Feb. 2-3, 2010
    Barack Obama – Fav 51%, Unfav 43%, Unsure 5%

    Maris College Feb 1-3
    Fav 50%, Unfav 44%, Unsure 6%

    Favorability is used here as opposed to job approval to contrast with Sarah Pallin’s numbers.

  • oowawa

    Another wonderful and perceptive article, Nail Em Up.  Among the hopey magazines catering to “the swoony dreams of adolescents,” I would place at the top of the list Brides, and the host of other very thick, glossy mags full of advertisements designed to capitalize on a young woman’s most sacrosanct dreams of a joyful marriage.

    And now that America has been left at the altar, we are ready for a new bitter mag–thin, printed on cheap pulp, and full of heartbreaking true stories: Jilted.

  • dead lark

    Yak Darwin I hate statistics.

  • dead lark

    Yuk Darwin I hate statistics.

  • Darwin

    The last Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll for Sarah Palin was Nov. 17-18, 2009

    Then, Fav 47%, Unfav 42%, Unsure 10%

    If she gets a regular show like Mike Huckabee then her numbers should go back up.

  • Darwin

    This is interesting. Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll Feb 2-3, 2010

    Tea Party Movement – Fav 35%, Unfav 22%, Can’t Say/Never heard of them 42%

    http://www.pollingreport.com/p.htm

  • Darwin

    This one is a tad alarming. Pew Research Jan. 14-17

    How many Republican senators voted to pass health care reform bill?
    0-32%, 5 or more 29%, unsure 39%

  • dead lark

    This article by Nail looks to me like a strawman. What ridiculous presupositions based on one ridiculous bias, that Obama somehow is loosing popularity and effectiveness as the most notable and persistent American Idol of the day.

    Actually Obama looks stronger and stronger every day. Everyday like a circus performer or any other performer, Obama practices and perform. And performing he excells and continue to lead in daily performances.

    Nail, the problem you have says that you consider yourself perplexed and annoyed that you cannot categorize Obama anymore or define it.

    Nail, if you read your column, and you would do good if you read it, you would see your want. You cannot define Obama anymore. He slips through your brain cells and you can’t catch him. Poor you.

    Obama defines a new type of presidency. A presidency of the present. A presidency of the relevant. A presidency of the important. A presidency of the performance. You can call it, and I will call it for you, a PERFORMATIVE PRESIDENT. And that fact makes him an American Idol champion season after season.

    I told you already, Obama plays the fiddle as good or much better than Charlie Daniels.

    Sorry to rain on your parade. You lost, he wins. Take it or leave it.

  • Peggy Sue

    Good essay, Nail’Em Up.  I think the media is beginning to shake itself out of its self-inflicted, adoration fugue but only because they sense the public is turning angry.  They don’t want to be trampled as the crowds rush for the exits.  If you remember, the press loved and made excuses for GW&Co, once upon a time. Though short-lived, it sold an unnecessary war to the American public.

    But, I think you’re right–Obama-love was of another dimension. And I love the comparison to the “fluffy magazines tailored to satisfy the swoony dreams of adolescents as they fantasize about the teen idol de jour.”

    Oh my.  Perfecto.

    I also agree this all about leadership from the top down. It appears to be nonexistent. I keep wishing Obama would suddenly grow a backbone.  But maybe that’s like wishing a jellyfish could grow legs and walk down Pennsylvania Ave.

    Good one!

  • dead lark

    And now that America has been left at the altar

    He already married through the civil process before marrying in the church. Obama sleeps with the bride daily because every morning Obama brings the bride a gift of life. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Face it oowawa, Obama does not have to appear at the church for the bride to know he loves her.

  • dead lark

    And now that America has been left at the altar  
     
    He already married through the civil process before marrying in the church. Obama sleeps with the bride daily because every morning Obama brings the bride a gift of life. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Face it oowawa, Obama does not have to appear at the church for the bride to know he loves her.

  • dead lark

    I also agree this all about leadership from the top down. It appears to be nonexistent. I keep wishing Obama would suddenly grow a backbone.

    So you agree that SOS HC is the leader of the DOS in the Obama Administration.

    And you agree that it appears nonexistent. Like today about the Iranina Revolution appearances and speeches she conducted.

    And you agree that absent of a backbone either Bill works as her backbone, which he does, and she is backbone challenged.

    SOS HC = backbone challenged.

  • dead lark

    I also agree this all about leadership from the top down. It appears to be nonexistent. I keep wishing Obama would suddenly grow a backbone. 
     
    So you agree that SOS HC is the leader of the DOS in the Obama Administration. 
     
    And you agree that it appears nonexistent. Like today about the Iranina Revolution appearances and speeches she conducted. 
     
    And you agree that absent of a backbone either Bill works as her backbone, which he does, and she is backbone challenged. 
     
    SOS HC = backbone challenged.

  • dead lark

    I also agree this all about leadership from the top down. It appears to be nonexistent. I keep wishing Obama would suddenly grow a backbone.  
      
    So you agree that SOS HC is the leader of the DOS in the Obama Administration.  
      
    And you agree that it appears nonexistent. Like today about the Iranina Revolution appearances and speeches she conducted.  
      
    And you agree that absent of a backbone either Bill works as her backbone, which he does, and she is backbone challenged.  
      
    SOS HC = backbone challenged.

  • dead lark

    Nail says, The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration.

    Face it Nail, you struck luck that Hillary did not win the presidency. As a SOS HC she has proven her ineptedness at things diplomatic and the diplomatic game.

    Face it Nail, Hillary Clinton lacks a backbone and her backbone works as Bill Clinton with a prostheses named Barack Obama.

    She underperformed with the Haiti situation. She underperformed today with the Iranian Revolution holiday. She underperforms daily.

    Face it Nail. She chose to travel today to the Middle East so that she didn’t have to face the press and make any statements about Ahmadinajad and the Iranian Revolution.

    She operates an underperformer – while Obam performs daily and keeps his image as an American Idol.

  • dead lark

    Nail says, The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration.  
     
    Face it Nail, you struck luck that Hillary did not win the presidency. As a SOS HC she has proven her ineptedness at things diplomatic and the diplomatic game.  
     
    Face it Nail, Hillary Clinton lacks a backbone and her backbone works as Bill Clinton with a prostheses named Barack Obama.  
     
    She underperformed with the Haiti situation. She underperformed today with the Iranian Revolution holiday. She underperforms daily.  
     
    Face it Nail. She chose to travel today to the Middle East so that she didn’t have to face the press and make any statements about Ahmadinajad and the Iranian Revolution.  
     
    She operates an underperformer – while Obam performs daily and keeps his image as an American Idol.

  • Peggy Sue

    Lark, it’s obvious you dislike and disagree with Hillary Clinton.  I am sure there are many high-level meetings going on about the Iranian situation right now, things we are not privy to. The whole thing is a tinderbox. 

    And the missionary question in Haiti came to a positive resolution.  I suspect there was fancy footwork behind the scenes on that one as well. 

    Hillary Clinton is doing what she’s always done: working her butt off and not being a showhorse.  I find no fault in this regard.

  • rw

    Basically what I got out of the piece is that America is full of adolescents…politically naive, shallow, hormone challenged idiot culture inhabitants.  Too, many, way too many Americans voted with the Unknown Ozero…that is three in a row…twice Bush, once Ozero…beginning to think that a leader, leadership, is history and only to be found in books.

  • dead lark

    Nail says, The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration.    
       
    Face it Nail, you struck luck that Hillary did not win the presidency. As a SOS HC she has proven her ineptedness at things diplomatic and the diplomatic game.    
       
    Face it Nail, Hillary Clinton lacks a backbone and her backbone works as Bill Clinton with a prostheses named Barack Obama.    
       
    She underperformed with the Haiti situation. She underperformed today with the Iranian Revolution holiday. She underperforms daily.    
       
    Face it Nail. She chose to travel today to the Middle East so that she didn’t have to face the press and make any statements about Ahmadinajad and the Iranian Revolution.    
       
    She operates an underperformer – while Obam performs daily and keeps his image as an American Idol.

    Face it Nail your argument stands as crapola, and the frame unhinged from the nail, you took the wrong turn and you sound completely lost.

  • dead lark

    Peggy Sue do not rationalize the agency and performance of HC like you do. I think it works better to face it. But of course there are  high level meetings everywhere in the world in every office in the world where people have leadership responsibilities about stuff.

    I like Hillary Clinton. This is not about liking. It is about performance in the capacity of DOS SOS.

    I am sure you are satisfied with the fine image she is developing around the world, no? Her image is our image.

    Now we know, like we know with John Edwards, and mostly all the candidates that ran in the Dem and Rep primaries that had they become presidents we would be in deep trouble. And yes, we had the chance of getting John McCain.

  • Diana L. C.

    Yes, lark, he plays the fiddle as well as Nero did in Rome.

  • Diana L. C.

    I am sorry to say this, but I am really, really, really tired of the comments by Darvin and lark.  I vote that no one respond to them, as their brains are each stuck in some kind of programs.  I don’t even read most of their comments anymore.  They just clutter up the blog. 

  • dead lark

    Peggy Sue says, I find no fault in this regard.

    You don’t. With so many idiots saying all the time about ‘bombing Iran’ or ‘going to war with Iran’ for this and that.

    Do you realize that we have thousands of idiots in our country that when they speak about sanctions they are thinking about ‘going to war’ with that famous saying ‘NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE’ stupidity.

    Look Hillary either she resigns, of Obama fires her, or she gets with the program. She is traveling to a stupid US/Islamic relations conference in Qatar to give a speech. Meanwhile she gives Iran the silent treatment.

  • Darwin

    Now, two weeks before publication of No Apology: The Case for American Greatness, Romney is pivoting again — this time pitching himself as a problem solver whose background as a successful financier makes him the ideal candidate to rescue the ailing U.S. economy.

    Like former Gov. Palin, Romney is planning a book-tour blitz that mirrors his ambitions — starting on ABC’s “The View,” stopping at the first-vote-in-the-primary state of Iowa, speaking this weekend at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., an early temperature-reader on the emotions of the Republican base.

  • dead lark

    Peggy Sue says, I find no fault in this regard. 
     
    You don’t. With so many idiots saying all the time about ‘bombing Iran’ or ‘going to war with Iran’ for this and that. 
     
    Do you realize that we have thousands of idiots in our country that when they speak about sanctions they are thinking about ‘going to war’ with that famous saying ‘NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE’ stupidity. 
     
    Look Hillary either she resigns, of Obama fires her, or she gets with the program. She is traveling to a stupid US/Islamic relations conference in Qatar to give a speech. Meanwhile she gives Iran the silent treatment.

  • Peggy Sue

    As a matter of fact I am proud of Hillary Clinton as SOS.  And yes, her image around the world is our image.  I’m glad there’s someone competent in the position.  I have no idea what John Edwards has to with the discussion.  Or John McCain.

    But then, you seem to enjoy speaking in riddles.  To each his own.

  • dead lark

    Peggy Sue says, I find no fault in this regard.  
      
    You don’t. With so many idiots saying all the time about ‘bombing Iran’ or ‘going to war with Iran’ for this and that.  
      
    Do you realize that we have thousands of idiots in our country that when they speak about sanctions they are thinking about ‘going to war’ with that famous saying ‘NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE’ stupidity.  
      
    Look Hillary either she resigns, of Obama fires her, or she gets with the program. She is traveling to a stupid US/Islamic relations conference in Qatar to give a speech. Meanwhile she gives Iran the silent treatment.

    Wake up.

  • dead lark

    Lark is dead. Dead lark is what is alive.

  • Darwin

    Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person’s own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.
    Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves.

  • Katmoon

    Thank you Diana. I like a good stream of conversation, but not the blog hog behavior I am seeing.

  • dead lark

    As you said earlier, his career as a politician is the cause for a book. The book is the cause for his candidacy.

  • Darwin

    An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and redirect their libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or “projecting,” those same faults onto another.
    Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. 

  • dead lark

    As you said earlier, his career as a politician is the cause for a book. The book is the cause for his candidacy. 

    What causes people to write – including Diana L.C.: CHANGE.

    Good Americans don’t change.

  • dead lark

    As you said earlier, his career as a politician is the cause for a book. The book is the cause for his candidacy.   
     
    What causes people to write – including Diana L.C.: CHANGE. 
     
    Good Americans don’t change.

  • Katmoon

    Proud of our SOS as well. Right there with you Peggy Sue. Why on earth shouldn’t she do her job? She is not creating an image other than that of what a SOS is expected to do. I agree, and am grateful for her intellect and competancy. It is odd that still there are those desperate scurring around like little tiny spiders, in pursuit of any crumb of fault they perceive. She is no slacker, andis actually working.

  • Guest

    Does anyone suspect that Darwin and dead lark are the same person?

  • Katmoon

    The same species perhaps, always lurking under a bridge. I think we have known them by many names.

  • Darwin

    We’re not. But it is a fascinating area of psychological study.

    Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a condition in which a person displays multiple distinct identities (known as alter egos or alters), each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment.

    The diagnosis requires that at least two personalities routinely take control of the individual’s behavior with an associated memory loss that goes beyond normal forgetfulness; in addition, symptoms cannot be the temporary effects of drug use or a general medical condition.

  • dead lark

    Diana L.C. said, I don’t even read most of their comments anymore.  They just clutter up the blog. 

    First of all if you look at the BLOG my comments do not clotter the blog. Try to find any comments outside this thread to see if you can find them. No clutter from me to you.

    Second, I don’t write for people to read me. I write to participate. I write for fun and because I am addicted to thinking. And because as I said to you before: I AM A MINIMALIST POSTMODERN.

    I vote for people to follow you and I vote for Diana L.C. for President of the United States.

    Let me make some of my comments that have been – not read – unread DISSAPEAR.

  • Rosa

    they must be worried about what is talked about here ,           such as that GUEST on here yesterday.  We do know when Obama is getting critiized, the obots come out in force to TRY to make Hillary look bad , just like an abusive husband.

  • Katmoon

    Nail Em Up: I appreciate your article, with particular attentio to the packaging of a fantasy-this is a great line and key to what al;ways follows to transcribe a fantasy into reality-or accepting the big lie. As with good writers, any story worth being told, requires the reader or believers in this case to agree to accepting at leas one lie for the story to prove out. I recall seeing this change take place sometime within the last eight years, with young women, and young men both buying into fantasy role models. There isn’t anything unusual about wanting to emmulate the popular. What struck me as different for this particular group was, there is no acknowledgement of the “lie”. It is to be accepted as truth and history, when it is neither. There is an ostrich mentality which seems to be accebtable and transferrable to those who must believe. The savage behavior practiced on the non-believers has become some of the most violent and distrubing fall out from all of this.   

  • Darwin

    It may seem as though posters are dominating the conversation but some of that may be laid at the foot of the article writer who perhaps has not generated enough interest in the piece to stimulate a good debate.

    Or some of it may be other posters still dealing with the snow.

  • dead lark

    Diana L.C., do you know that, eddieb wrote this today in a Jan 27 thread,

    eddieb:
    Did you notice that Anthem Blue Cross just announced a rate increase of 39%? And 40% at HealthNet? Stay tuned for similar increases from Aetna, Wellpoint, etc.

    What say you?

  • oowawa

    “My name is legion: for we are many.”

    Who knows.  I do know that this blog cannot survive for long under this kind of assault.

  • dead lark

    Dead lark. lark is dead. Dead lark is alive.

  • dead lark

    lark is dead. Dead lark is alive.

  • dead lark

    Good Americans don’t change.

  • Katmoon

    BREAKING~Posted sometime this afternoon I believe

    The draft legislation is available on the legislation page of the Finance Committee website at the
    following link:

    http://www.finance.senate.gov/sitepages/legislation.htm

    .

    A summary of the draft Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act follows here.

    Draft Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act

    Summary of Provisions

  • Katmoon

    Sorry about the space in the post.

  • Hokma

    Darwin – The only poll that counts is the one on election day and Obama lost the last 3 major races in New Jersey, Virginia, and the big Kahuna Massachusetts. Obama’s major polcy positions are being rejected and whatever popularity he has left will follow.

  • Katmoon

    Oowawa, we just need to take turns either staying with our article or keeping some conversation going on without the baggage. It is easier to do in the evening as many of our regulars are home then, in the afternoon it takes a little more work.

  • imustprotest

    This was an article on the leadership, or lack of leadership of Obama.  The attack on Clinton is either a deflection of criticism of The One or a full-blown case of CDS.

  • Hokma

    Don’t knock teen fan magazines, I used to be the editor of one them in my youth. They represent some of the great literature and photo essays of our time. Who could forget the compelling essays on Donnie and Marie or the adventures of David Cassidy or the family conflicts of the Patridge family and the Brady Bunch? Where would modern society be without them?

  • Peggy Sue

    My understanding is they’re planning to institute sanctions in Iran to put additionl pressure on the hardliners.  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has given us the finger on any nuclear negotiation. What would you have the Secretary of State do: kiss him on the cheek?  Or perhaps, make an inflamatory statement today, so that more students and protestors can be dragged off the street to be tortured and slaughtered in our name. 

    A minority does not a Revolution make, particularly when the powers that be are armed and the protestors basically are not. If enough pressure is placed on the Iranian government, maybe, just maybe some of the military will change sides.  Right now they’re backing the Weasal-in-Chief.  And yes, everything is always on the table with these despots because it’s the only language they understand.

    But another war with the US at the center?  It would be disastrous.  It would blow the entire Middle East up.  The longer we can hold the line and tamp the flames down, the better off everyone is.  I hope the Iranian public can shake this noose off.  But we cannot be in the middle of this, at least not where we’re seen. 

    Hillary Clinton is doing what she needs to do.  Conversation closed.  

  • oowawa

    This really points out the vulnerability of a blog like this.  It’s kind of like a denial-of-service attack on a website.  Just shovel in enough clutter, and the discussion is run off the rails and everybody throws up their hands.   I’m really sorry, Katmoon, that you are returning to this blog under such trying circumstances, after you have suffered through so much.  We’ll see what happens . . .

  • Katmoon

    True Hokma, but we grew out of and beyond that phase. Now our culture is that phase.

  • Katmoon

    Bahh, I say we post Sentries. Not to worry Oowawa, not trying at all, but very, very predictable. Wish Ferd wasn’t at work; yet I don’t like him having to always address the issue either, I prefer his conversing. I like the viewpoints he adds, as with most long timers here.

  • dead lark

    I disagree. This is an article on injecting a bias and growing it for no useful purpose at all.

  • Diana L. C.

    Nail Em Up,  thanks for the post. 

    I was teaching middle school when Titanic came out.  All the girls were so crazy about the movie, and one of them made a point of seeing it 20 times.  (Think of the cost of tickets?)  She was sure she and Leonardo were meant for each other.  I have often wondered how she remembers her crush on this fantasy.

    I remember that when I was young, there were girls who did the same with the Beatles, for instance.  One friend was crazy “in love” with Peter Noone of Herman’s Hermits.  The music of my teenage years still resonates with me, but I never understood why someone would go “ga ga” over a singer or star.  It was just silly, as far as I was concerned.

    But I don’t want to think of O as a star for silly teenage girls.  I have witnessed grown adults–men and women–discuss the show American Idol as if it was a matter of great importance–the same as with all the supposed “reality” shows. 

    It seems to me there is something going on now.  Perhaps everyone who voted for Obama saw him as the most like himself or herself–no credentials suitable for being POTUS, no knowledge, no experience–so they voted for him because it meant maybe they, too, without having to work for it could be POTUS in their fantasies.

  • EllenD

    Agreed. And when they start asking if the newbie from Mass is GOP Presidential nominee material for the next election you know that Obama worship changed the Presidential standards to “who’s the next male cutie” rather than who has the brains and abilities needed to be President. Tingles running up legs, anyone? And, of course the little girl crush criteria automatically excludes females.

  • oowawa

    HaHa–Yep, I’m glad Ferd doesn’t have to clear out the varmints all the time.  But I do miss “his conversing,” as you say. 

  • dead lark

    My participation here have been all within the subject matter. The subject matter is Hillary Clinton, not Obama.

    During Campaign 2008, the American press corps hit a double by acting as both the editors of fluffy teenage magazines AND their audience: Weepy, starstruck young girls. The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration.

    I have a point I am making. Deal with it.

  • dead lark

    My participation here have been all within the subject matter. The subject matter is Hillary Clinton, not Obama. 
     
    During Campaign 2008, the American press corps hit a double by acting as both the editors of fluffy teenage magazines AND their audience: Weepy, starstruck young girls. The campaign coverage was breathless in its uncritical hero worship of candidate Obama while treating Hillary Clinton like the evil woman who comes between the adoring fan and the object of his/her adoration. 
     
    I have a point I am making.

  • EllenD

    You gave me a laugh, Hokma. :)

  • dead lark

    Do not read what dead lark post.

  • oowawa

    “She was sure she and Leonardo were meant for each other.  I have often wondered how she remembers her crush on this fantasy.”

    LOL Diana–I remember back in the 1950′s when I was in elementary school–I always watched The Mickey Mouse Club and I just knew that Annette and I were meant for each other–yeah, me and every other pre-adolescent boy in America . . .

    But then we grow up, and we’re not supposed to contract a case of puppy love, least of all with a political candidate–especially if happen to be hard-boiled world-weary political reporters with the MSM.   Ooooh!  My leg tingles!  Gag.

  • tango

    Yep, like all that crap about the Obamas marriage and articles about how wouldn’t we as women, love to be married to such a man?  How they’re bringing romance and sex back into marriages because him & Michelle are so inspirational with their date nights and obvious affection, respect and love for one another. We ALL want to have sex with Barack and be Michelle.  Yah right, I’m sure that’s why Michelle looks pissed so often. She realized she’s just a beard for the Great Pretender.

  • oowawa

    “She was sure she and Leonardo were meant for each other.  I have often wondered how she remembers her crush on this fantasy.” 
     
    LOL Diana–I remember back in the 1950′s when I was in elementary school–I always watched The Mickey Mouse Club and I just knew that Annette and I were meant for each other–yeah, me and every other pre-adolescent boy in America . . . 
     
    But then we grow up, and we’re not supposed to contract a case of puppy love, least of all with a political candidate–especially if we happen to be hard-boiled world-weary political reporters with the MSM.   Ooooh!  My leg tingles!  Gag.

  • Katmoon

    hahahha Good one :-P

  • dead lark

    EllenD, says, course the little girl crush criteria automatically excludes females.

    Is obvious to me that I changed that mantra you carry with you all of the time. Is obvious to after seeing HC operate as SOS that the Dem were justified in working hard and fast to elect another other than HC for President.

  • Katmoon

    “but I never understood why someone would go “ga ga” over a singer or star.  It was just silly, as far as I was concerned. ”

    Agree Diana.
    I felt embarassed for the fainters, knowing the dignity of my silent adoration of Davey Jones would no doubt be somehow answered.

    I agree also that here we have had more than one example of lack of or no job experience for the highest office in the land, won by running as the popular kid who was secrelty dumping buckets of nastiness on Homecoming Queen nominees.

      

  • stodghie

    actually lark, dead or alive you clutter up the blog with useless comments and ravings signifying nothing.

    don’t like it? ah well too bad!

  • EllenD

    I often scan in when I am at lunch. When I find I am scanning past a lot of off-topic useless comments from people with dubious motives, then something is out of balance. I’m afraid there is too much chaff these days and picking out the wheat is getting to be a lot of work.
    I will not comment on or encourage such OT postings and I hope others will too. Perhaps if they are ignored and no one takes their bait, they will go away.

  • stodghie

    dlark, kind of dark up there huh?

  • Peggy Sue

    Ferd and oowawa are great dragonslayers, Katmoon.  But the activity recently has been interesting to say the least!  I’m not even sure what planet it’s coming from.  ;)

  • Darwin

    The statistics are not cited for or against anyone in particular. The article writer’s main point is that the media is glorifying celebrity as opposed to doing its job. Various polls from different organizations reflect the public’s view of this celebrity phenomenon. If what the article writer is saying is true, shouldn’t Obama and Palin’s and any other celebrity’s favorability ratings be much higher?

  • EllenD

    Actually my grammar was incorrect – I hope others will join me in this stance of non-response to these poster..

  • Darwin

    And if what you and the article writer suggest is true, why aren’t Palin and Obama’s favorability ratings higher?

  • oowawa

    “the dignity of my silent adoration”

    Yep–that’s exactly the way it was . . .

  • Diana L. C.

    I remember rushing home from school to beat my brother.  If my sisters and I got home first it was the Mickey Mouse Club show.  I can still sing some of those songs.  (And, yes, I remember the boys’ crushes on Annette–I think it may have had something to do with her early “development” in certain areas.  ;) )  If my brother made it home first, we were stuck with Hopalong Cassidy.

    You’re absolutely right about growing up.  We all knew somehow when it was time to grow up.  I wonder if everyone younger than our generation has come down with the Peter Pan syndrome.

  • Katmoon

    Seriously! Remember the dual universe of Superman? Wasn’t it Bizzaro-land or world?

  • Diana L. C.

    Katmoon,

    I went to a Monkees concert right out of high school.  All the girls were trying to outscream each other.  I was dignified and didn’t do that, but I sure got up and rocked when Eric Burdon and the Animals opened the show.  I really felt they deserved top billing. That was my kind of music then.

  • EllenD

    Being female, I liked Spin in Spin & Marty – Tim Considine was in the part, I think. But I think times have changed and Jimmy Dodd might be suspected today of being a pedophile. Glad we’re in the same generation oowawa.

  • Katmoon

    Had a young girl thing for Cubby. With those Peter Pan’s, our young women are becoming Wendys.

  • Breeze

    Kat,

    The name is TROLLS!!!

  • Yttik

    It seems to be computer day at the asylum again.

  • Hokma

    Bill Clinton was just taken to a New York hospital.

  • Katmoon

    I must be just a few years younger.  I remember I finally went to my first concert which was Neil Diamond as the opening act for The Ike and  Tina Turner Review. I remember watching Tina dance and I was in awe. Then came CCR, Janis, and so on. There was a leap to more mature music, requiring more responsibility to be allowed to go with the trust of my parents, and  more babysitting ( at .50 an hour) to purchase my next tickets; leaving my Tiger Beat and Davey behind forever. 

  • FLDemFem

    Her job is to implement the policies of the Obama administration, not do as she pleases. If she isn’t engaging Iran, it’s because she has been told not to. Leave the blame where it belongs, with Obama. She is not an independent entity in the job she holds, she is required to carry out the policies that the administration decides upon. Now that I have explained it three ways, perhaps you will understand it.

  • Hokma

    He was hospitalized with chest pains.

  • Katmoon

    No reason given yet? Oh man.

  • dead lark

    Conversation open: Yes, inflamatory statements. If it causes more Iranians to die to clean the dirt in their own country – so be it – it is their own revolution they want to straighten out. I don’t want Katmoon son to go to Iran for any reason whatsoever.

    Yes, it is HC job to make Ahmadinajad and his Ayatollahs uncomfortable and to support the REBELLION.

    A minority a revolution makes. It is this mantra in our country that says like in most if not all countries that a minority is lost.

    Pressure does not make the military offices change sides – seldom happens.

    The way to prevent Katmoon’s son from going to Iran to fight and die there is for SOS HC to get busy undermining Iran’s repressive gov.

    Hillary Clinton is not doing what she needs to do. That was proven today.

    Lets see what she brings after this trip from Saudi Arabia – I suspect all she will bring are smiles.

  • oowawa

    Janis following John Fogerty and Tina Turner–I’m in awe . . .

  • Hokma

    Stephanopulas said it is likely “stent” related.

  • dead lark

    Conversation open:

    Yes, inflamatory statements. If it causes more Iranians to die to clean the dirt in their own country – so be it – it is their own revolution they want to straighten out. I don’t want Katmoon son to go to Iran for any reason whatsoever.  
     
    Yes, it is HC job to make Ahmadinajad and his Ayatollahs uncomfortable and to support the REBELLION.  
     
    A minority a revolution makes. It is this mantra in our country that says like in most if not all countries that a minority is lost.  
     
    Pressure does not make the military offices change sides – seldom happens.  
     
    The way to prevent Katmoon’s son from going to Iran to fight there is for SOS HC to get busy undermining Iran’s repressive gov.  
     
    Hillary Clinton is not doing what she needs to do. That was proven today.  
     
    Lets see what she brings after this trip from Saudi Arabia – I suspect all she will bring are smiles.

  • FLDemFem

    owawa, we need an “ignore” button. The ignore button is a wonderful thing. Once you hit the ignore button that person’s posts no longer appear on your computer when you read the blog. Or perhaps Larry can ban their ISP for using up more than their share of bandwidth. They do get greedy about it, after all.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Quick recovery Bill.

  • Katmoon

    Thanks Hokma. Prayers to Bill.

  • oowawa

    Ah Diana, it wasn’t just the early development–she was an angel (sigh)–I remember a rumor spread through the elementary school that Annette died–it was the boys’ equivalent of 9-11.  Hushed foreboding everywhere . . . Fully 10 years before similar rumors spread about Paul McCartney’s death . . .

  • Senneth

    I don’t even bother to read either Dead Lark, Darwin, and only quickly peruse guest just in case it’s a regular whose name got left off.  They add nothing to the conversation.  Bots plain and simple.

  • Breeze

    HE’S BEEN WORKING TOO HARD

    for a man with serious heart problems, not to mention the emotional stress
    he went through last year with all the betrayals, backstabbing etc!

    Also,he’s a man who “feels your pain” and the tragic scenes in Haiti may have
    upset him greatly.  HC and he became very fond of Haitians years ago, after
    their first trip there.

    The temps in Haiti are in the 90s and who knows, he may have picked up
    anything in that environment, too.

    According to Fox, Hillary has left DC to go to his side.

    Hang in there, Big Dawg, you’re in our hearts and prayers.

  • dead lark

    Now that I understand and can satisfy.

  • Senneth

    Gosh I loved the Spin and Marty episodes on the Mickey Mouse Club.  And would have loved to have been a Mousketeer back then.  Back then it was pretty innocent and one eventually growing out of it.  Now it seems many adults are leading the American Idol/Realty TV Show mentality.  Someone I know kept talking about Simon and what he was doing and on and on as if this Simon were a personal friend.  I finally said I’ve never met Simon, who is he?  Well of course he was someone from TV.  lol and these are “grown ups.”

  • dead lark

    Now that I understand and can satisfy. 8-)

  • kbdabear

    Get well soon, Bubba!

  • dead lark

    Katmoon is that bad that I want your son to never have to go to Iran to fight? And is that bad that I want your son to return from Afghanistan victorious?

    Then let me challenge the prevailing music that SOS HC is somehow An American Idol suppressed by Obama. She is not nor was she suppressed. She was beatten in a political race. And to me she is demonstrating there is a good reason she was beatten.

  • dead lark

    You can explain your false assumptions 100 times and they will still remain false. Remember the true of false game in tests.

    Presidents select a cabinet and the cabinet operates quasi-independent and set the policies the professional director establishes.

    Your hate against Obama blinds you.

  • dead lark

    Perhaps

  • Breeze

    They put two stents (Sp?) in and the Big Dawg is “resting comfortably”.
    (Fox News)

  • Katmoon

    I often find it to be the words of a coward that make an attempt of concern over a military family while trying to veil contempt for another. End of discussion.

  • dead lark

    Lets take a vote. Should HC return from the Middle East immediatly or should she remain to do the speech at the conference?

  • dead lark

    Katmoon is that bad that I want your son to never have to go to Iran to fight? And is that bad that I want your son to return from Afghanistan victorious? 
     
    Then let me challenge the prevailing music that SOS HC is somehow An American Idol suppressed by Obama. She is not nor was she suppressed. She was beatten in a political race. And to me she is demonstrating there is a good reason she was beatten.

  • dead lark

    Katmoon says, the words of a coward

    You never know who is or not a coward until the occassion rises, no?

  • dead lark

    Bush will take over his work for Haiti and probably his agency in Haiti as a UN envoy.

    What say you?

  • dead lark

    You can explain your false assumptions 100 times and they will still remain false. Remember the true of false game in tests. 
     
    Presidents select a cabinet and the cabinet operates quasi-independent and set the policies the professional director establishes. 
     
    Your hate against Obama blinds you.

    The trick is in the selection – the person. And that is why the Senate confirms. They don’t confirm because is a game they play.

  • dead lark

    You can explain your false assumptions 100 times and they will still remain false. Remember the true of false game in tests.  
      
    Presidents select a cabinet and the cabinet operates quasi-independent and set the policies the professional director establishes.  
      
    Your hate against Obama blinds you. 
     
    The trick is in the selection - the person. And that is why the Senate confirms. They don’t confirm because is a game they play.

  • dead lark

    You never know who is or not a coward until the occassion rises, no?

    Is like when George Constanza was the first out when a fire broke up at the nursing home.

  • dead lark

    Bush will take over his work for Haiti and probably his agency in Haiti as a UN envoy. 

  • WestVirginia304

    Big Dawg.  I saw him give an hour talk at the State Fair in 2008.  No notes; voice crackling; energy and devotion in every word.  Even the bots were impressed and moved.  Here’s my flower, Bill.  Get well soon.

  • Peggy Sue

    It sounds as if President Clinton is good spirits and stable.  Chelsea is at the hospital with her dad and Hillary Clinton left DC to be at his side.  I also heard it was two stents to open up two clogged arteries.  He had that quadruple bypass back in 2004. 

    Big Dawg was lucky, again. Prayers for a swift recovery. 

  • Katmoon

    Thanks for the update Peggy Sue. BBFN-Dance Class

  • dead lark

    Gosh and I though your son was in Afghanistan fighting for my freedom. It must be that he is there fighting for Afghanis freedom.

  • dead lark

    Poor Haitians, they antagonized Baptist American Christians thinking that Bill and CNN would be all the needed to succeed.

    Get well soon Bill, the Haitians need you. You know Bush is your partner but he alone will not be able to do all that needs to be done.

  • Darwin

    No well wishes for Sarah Palin on her birthday?

  • dead lark

    Do you think he has been sick for a few days and they released his staying at the hospital after the stints were in place and he came out of the procedure alive?

  • dead lark

    Do you think he has been sick for a few days and they released his staying at the hospital after the stints were in place and he came out of the procedure alive?

  • stodghie

    my best wishes to bill, hillary and chelsa. i hope and pray we see him recovered and doing what he likes to do.

  • Bronwyn

    Dead Lark, we are monitoring your comments. If you intend to overwhelm this conversation, you will be placed on moderation.

  • Bronwyn

    OTHERS:  IGNORE THIS TWIT.  FREEZE HER OUT.

  • AC

    You’re out of line dead lark!

  • Bronwyn

    FREEZE THEM OUT BY IGNORING THEM.  They’re just attention-starved.

  • dead lark

    Why?

  • dead lark

    I second that

  • Bronwyn

    Ellen, you have the right idea.  But we do have our eyes on these people and can pull privileges.

  • dead lark

    Oh my God, Darwin. Thanks for reminding us. As much as we like to think of us updated, we really like to live in the past.

    Tomorrow a thread about Sarah Palin’s birthday.

  • Guest

    And humbled. I remember the last time he tried to put the operation off for a couple of months and the doctors said forget it, he was lucky to be alive as it was.

    But we’re still talking about, five years after a complete quadruple bypass?

    Seems way too soon to be needing stents…

  • dead lark

    If he is living all alone in that big house, without much company from H and C then he probably is cooking too many steaks. You know how easy is for Americans – I said Americans – to drop a steak on a grill and add a couple of potatoes for a side. They call it THE WHAT DIET.

  • oowawa

    “I remember rushing home from school to beat my brother.”

    Diana!  I’m shocked!  You seemed like such a kind person!

  • candymarl

    I’ve stayed out of this but really dead lark. How old are you? Everybody changes. It’s called living.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Darwin project this.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I was always partial to Tinkerell. O:-)

  • Guest

    And not limited to your where they should not be found posters. Comments resorting to vindictive – PETTY – heckling, against other commentors, other individuals, and groups of people in general on this blog have been a disgrace on this blog since its beginning. Someone needs to enforce a specific comment policy that prohibits personal attack, goading and harassment, and other malicious remarks….IMHO. :)

  • candymarl

    Guest, not according to a heart specialist. It can happen anywhere from 5-10 years after the operation.

  • candymarl

    dead lark, if they are real Christians then being antagonized shouldn’t bother them. Real Christians help people they don’t necessarily agree with or even like. At least that’s what I was taught.

  • dead lark

    Say good bye.

  • oowawa

    Thanks, Peggy Sue, but I am hardly a dragonslayer like Ferd.  I’m a bunny with a heart on his jammies and I timidly avoid conflict.  There are some great Troll vanquishers around here, however: HARP has been legendary, Onofre’s arm, and a certain blogowner whose initials are LJ and whom I tippy-toe around with great trepidation . . .

  • oowawa

    Thanks, Peggy Sue, but I am hardly a dragonslayer like Ferd.  I’m a bunny with a heart on his jammies and I timidly avoid conflict.  There are some great Troll vanquishers around here, however: HARP has been legendary, Onofre’s arm, a certain blogowner whose initials are LJ and whom I tippy-toe around with great trepidation, and many more . . .

  • AC

    Yes, BizzaroWorld

  • AC

    Yea, that’s right Dumwin it’s someone else’s fault.  Not the redundant questions you pose, masked as some kind of debate.  Who invited you to be the moderator?

  • rw

    gee darwin, one word, marketing. hype them, market their brand and the shallow will follow…..you should know that….where were you in 2008?

  • Patience

    I think we live in an age where the Citizen Celebrity seems to rule.  There’s still an obsession with celebrity but the public prefers everymen plucked from obscurity and propelled to stardom as opposed to professionals who may work at their craft for years until their breakthrough performances garner them fame. 

    In addition, the public seems to prefer a meteoric rise — there’s no patience for a slow slog to the top. 

    As well, familiarity is a negative anymore — the public has a near-insatiable appetite for someone new and unknown. 

    These points are how, I think, the POTUS became the choice in 2008.  BUT, and it’s a big BUT, I think he actually won the election because too many conservatives stayed home! 

    While many of us here had little problem voting for a Republican like McCain, he just doesn’t inspire conservatives and in fact has turned them off time and again with his pride about bi-partisanship, his coziness with the MSM, and no doubt other things that I’m not aware of.  To them, his vote for TARP was the coup de grace.  Think about it — before the “financial crisis” and from the time he chose Palin as his running mate, he continued to cut into Obama’s lead.  This was probably due to voters like many of US — centrists/moderates/independents.

    SO, as much as Big Media fawned, and continues to fawn, over the POTUS, I think they’ve been given too much credit when it comes to his election.  Considering how hard they worked for it, and considering the trend to elect Democrats since 2006 – the 2008 presidential race was theirs to lose after all – I think it’s actually rather amazing that Obama only won the popular vote by 7%.   

  • Required Reading

    I have just two words to say to you Hokma: Bobby Sherman.  But Bobby is an EMT specialist today - at least he, unlike Obama, is doing something useful after all the hoopla has died down.

  • Docelder

    You probably wouldn’t like what I was hearing. That there was really no difference between McCain and Hillary. Obama was “selected” to fail by the right. Poor thing probaly really thinks he is the one. He’s not… obviously by now he’s not.

  • Guest

    I think he actually won the election because too many conservatives stayed home!  

    __________________________________________________________
    Take a read of the exit polling. The percentage of self-described conservatives who voted for McCain was identical to the same margin who voted for George W. Bush. The votes of Republican moderates for Obama is what turned the election in Obama’s favor, not conservative disillusionment with McCain.

  • Guest

    Docelder: Not only is this conspiracy theory ridiculous, the statement that there is no difference between McCain and Hillary is completely and  totally absurd.  No one “selected” Obama.  If I understand what you’r saying, you seem to think that the right rigged the entire election in order to have a target to destroy. Wow. Whether you like Obama or not, the FACT is that he was voted into office. He was not brought to power via coup or some nefarious plot.  Many don’t like the results of the election, but that doesn’t make it o.k. to make up nonsense and post it on the Web.

  • karen for Clinton

    This Docelder is a fraud. 

    Guest made up another account so he can argue with it.

    They’re back.  Barry must be sucking hard, as we all knew he would.

  • dead lark

    Now is docelder the target.

    Infantes! Estupidos infantes.

    The only ones that suck is you – you prove it every day.

    Is obvious to me now that the reason the U.S. government is in financial trouble is because its citizens are [INFANTES].  That is why they had to make a Homeland Security Department – and that is why we need AFT department – and that is why we arrest snowball trowers. America is a country of infants.

    Infantes that what you are
    Infantes tho near or far.

  • dead lark

    Now docelder is the sore in your sucking thumb.  
     
    Infantes! Estupidos infantes. 
     
    The only ones that suck is you – you prove it every day. 
     
    Is obvious to me now that the reason the U.S. government is in financial trouble is because its citizens are [INFANTES].  That is why they had to make a Homeland Security Department – and that is why we need AFT department – and that is why we arrest snowball trowers. America is a country of crying babies. 
     
    Infantes that what you are 
    Infantes tho near or far.

  • karen for Clinton

    dead lark,

    i don’t know what your problem is, but it seems to be you do have one.

    this Docelder isn’t the one who has been here for years.  This one, if you click on the name, has only three posts in history. 

    so who is les enfants du paradis?

  • mortuus lark

    so who is les enfants du paradis?

    You.

    Because Docelder can delete as many of her past post as she wants since she is linving in the present and not in the past.

    Do I have to teach you everything?

  • FLDemFem

    I had a sort-of crush on Davy Jones, he was a former jockey, and I was horse-mad, still am, and he was the only singer who actually knew how to sit on a horse properly. That went a looong way with me!!
    8-)

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